need tips on marine life.

[clare bear]

hi im a newb.

i need to ask a few questions on varyied marine live stock, lighting ect.
hope some one can help

i ordered some xenias of the internet. i could not find a place near buy that sold them, so i found a place that sent them out in post.
probably a silly thing to do. any way they arrived 2 days ago, one is a bright green carpet xenia which wasent on any rock, and the other was on a rock but is a diffrent type, its pale pink in colour.
when they arrived i assumed i should put them in the tank asap, then left them to settle whilst i was at work.

when i got home the green one looked well, but the pink one is still down and floppy looking. do you think it might be dead?
i dont think i have ever seen it pulse, so im thinking mabe it is
here is a pic of what it looks like (not a very good pic though, but its a ruff idea) click to make larger


http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/9121/pict0033kq3.th.jpg (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict0033kq3.jpg)

also yesterday i brought a starter unit for 2 t5 lighting tubes.
the tubes that i broughtfor it were, a 22" t5 marine blue 420 actinic lighting tube + a t5 marine white 14,000k lighting tube, both are 24w each. (by arcadia)
is that good or bad lighting?
can i keep most corals on that lighting or would i need a stronger set?
oh yeh i still have the origenal marine set up for my tank, juwel trigon 190
corner tank, and they are
X1 coral sun, 24", 10,000k blue.
X1 ocean sun, 2", 10,000k white.

also one more question, i have been reading some threads, and i came across some one talking about a calcium reactor.
could someone tell me what this is and what its for?

thanks clarebear :confused:

[musho3210]

what size tank and did you acclimate them?

[clare bear]

hi musho3210

my tank is a juwel trigon 190 (corner tank)
i have had it for about a year and a bit, heres a pic

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/118/qqqqqqqqta7.th.jpg (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qqqqqqqqta7.jpg)

i have herd of this aclimatize before, but i dident know how to do it.
i tryed phoning the shop but no answer.

could you tell me how to climatize, for futor perposes?

thanks clarebear

[Reefscape]

Here is a link to Drs Foster and Smiths acclimating guide for you...

http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/general.cfm?general_pagesid=19&ref=3319&subref=AI

Niko

[musho3210]

acclimate is just getting the corals ready for the tank, i think this is why they suffered

Take an airline tube (the silicone things you use on air pumps) and make it a siphon, tie a knot on the tube so the water is only siphoning around 2 drops per second, leave it like that for about an hour or 2 depending on the differences between the dealers tank and your tank. Then carefully place them in your tank.

It doesnt seem like you have anywhere near enough light, your tank is 190 liters right?

[clare bear]

thanks for info niko, well aprec. :)

hi, musho3210

yes i have a 190L tank

i was only on the normal set up for a year untill yesterday then i brought the only t5 lighting starter unit and bulbs, i could fit to my tank, without taking all the lids off tank to have metal halid, or 'what do you call it' open tank lighting.
all togther i have 4 bulbs running, 2 are blue and 2 are white.

when i brought the t5 lighting, i thought i was sorted.
how many watts of t5 lighting am i sapose to have?

thanks clare

[musho3210]

you have around 50 gallons, so your aiming for about 300 watts of T5, MH, or PC light, the easiest way to get there is to have 1 250 watt MH lights and 2-4 T5/PC blue actinic light. This is about 6 wpg which can get you softie corals and most LPS, of course you may have more light than this and maybe get sps or anemones if your up for the challenge

[clare bear]

musho3210

im new to all this light stuff, as you can see,
im not to sure what you mean by mh lights and 6 wpg.

i dont know what my lighting adds up to all together in wattage? because the blue bulbs dont seem to show how many whats they have it only says 420 actinic? i dont know what that is.
if i told you what i have, do you know how to work it out?

also what can i keep under the lighting i have at the mo? other than the fish, which are quit happy.

thanks clare

[musho3210]

well tell me exactly what lighting you have, it might work for a little while. Tell me how long the tubes are

MH - Metal Halide Lights, best choice for reefers
WPG - Watts per gallon

[musho3210]

200 watts of MH/PC/T5 light is the absolute minimum for the corals you have, with 200 watts you can pretty much only get softies like mushrooms and leathers

[clare bear]

hi

i have
x1 t5 marine blue 420 actinic, 24w, 22" (made by arcadia)
x1 t5 marine white 14.000k lamp, 24w, 22" (made by arcadia)
(secumfrence of both ar 16mm)

x1 Zoo Med Ocean Sun 10,000K Bulb, 17w, 24"
x1 zoo med coral sun actinic 420, 24" (i would the wattage was the same as white one)

its hard work some times cos one shop tells me one thing and another shop tells me another, than i find out they both dont no what there talking about.
do you ever get this?

its like being in a whirl pool.

thanks clare :rolleyes:

[musho3210]

ok you have 48 watts around if you have two fixtures and both with bulbs on it, add a 250 watt MH light and keep the T5 but have 2 blue actinic bulbs then your spot on, if 250 watts is out of your price range you could use the 150 watt fixture. DIY saves tons of money on MH lights. As for the coral, unless you return it now you will need to get the MH light within the next say 24-48 hours or risk it dying. Return it and ask them to take care of it while you set up your light, then when your ready go back and get the coral from them. Make sure you acclimate as well

[clare bear]

hi musho

i have 2 fixings for the origanal standerd juwel marine starter unit, which is fitted to the tank, as standerd. i brought the other t5 starter unit as an added extra, which with the 2 t5 bulbs i just cliped on to the other 2 standerd bulbs.
im not to sure where i could stick another bulb as you sagested, any thoughts?

here is a pic for a ruff idea ( the tank lids are off in the pic, so you can see bulbs.

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also i found out what the juwel standerd marine lighting wattage adds up to, and its 34w beetween them, add the t5 bulb wattage, totals of 82 watts.
what do you sagest for lighting needs as i have more watts than first thought?

sorry if im being confusing amd if im asking to many questions.

hanks clare. :confused:
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[musho3210]

Metal halide isnt like those tubes, its like an oversized incandescent lamp. moving some things around and you could fit one 150 or 250, maybe put it in the back and have the high light corals in the back and the low light corals in the front, would look nice

[clare bear]

hi, again,

that sounds great but
how long are the 150 or 250 watt t5 bulbs? because if there any bigger than 24" it wont fit in my tank, also do i need another starter unit for the light your suggesting.

also what make is the bulbs your talking about? so i can look one up on internet, for prices

thanks clare :dance2:

[musho3210]

150 and 250 are metal halide lights, different from T5's you will need to buy a kit or diy, diy can save a lot of money

Heres a clamp on 150 http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=13922&cm_mmc=LiveAquaria_DFS_Links-_-Fish_Supplies-_-LiveAquaria_Gen_Page-_-Lighting&ref=3969&subref=AA&N=2004+113352
250 pendant
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=7364&ref=3969&cm_mmc=LiveAquaria_DFS_Links-_-Fish_Supplies-_-LiveAquaria_Gen_Page-_-Lighting&subref=AA&N=2004+113352
Another 150 clip on
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=15489&ref=3969&cm_mmc=LiveAquaria_DFS_Links-_-Fish_Supplies-_-LiveAquaria_Gen_Page-_-Lighting&subref=AA&N=2004+113352

[clare bear]

the first link lookes good, ill have to find out how much it is in english pound though. if i brought that ill have a total of 232 watts.

dose it cost a lot to change bulbs on metal haloids?

my tank has a bit of a lip, do you think the clip on haloid light wiil fit on my tank.

also what is this diy thing you were talking about, iv never herd of it.
is there a link so i can see what you mean.

thanks for being so helpfull, your a dimond.

clare :confused:

[musho3210]

DIY is just do it yourself, you just buy the things you need separatly and build it all together yourself, can take a while but it saves lots of money.

I think the last one is cheaper than the first one. The clip on is ajustable im pretty sure so you can fit it on your tank.

[clare bear]

hi

sorry i must sound thick. i know what diy means, i just never hert it in a confasation about aquariums before.

'you lere somthink new every day' :)

i will probably go with the first one, because its the best one for looks out of the 3. ill need to save for a bit.

do you think they would send it to england.
i tryed looking for one the same in uk, and had no luck.

clare

[m007]

Hey there, I hate to say it but those t5s are taking up alot of space in return for not enough lighting. Corner tanks are a challenge as standard fixtures won't rest on the top of the tank. I've been thinking about a large corner tank but run into the same issues with currently available lighting. Most people use a MH pendant lamp. Fairly simple to set up. The lamp hangs from the ceiling above your tank. Pendants are available in 150/250/400W. In your case a 250W MH would be fine. Here is a link to information on a pendant MH light. http://www.jlaquatics.com/phpstore/store_pages/details/l-mh-hoodp2.php?product_ID=pfo-hp8q2 You can choose which ballast and bulb you would like/afford. If you are not sure send an e-mail to this retailer and they will figure it out for you. If you prefer a clamp on fixture here is a link to that type of fixture. http://www.jlaquatics.com/phpstore/store_pages/details/l-mh-pene.php?product_ID=MH-CPENA20 The lamp clamps on to the back of the tank and will fit tanks with the plastic strip around the top. In your case I would buy two and mount them on the sides of your tank that extend from the front to the point at the back. The neck on the lamps are fully adjustable for height and extension. Although the lamps are only 150W, two together would give you 300W and you would be set to go. The lamps are shipped with 14000K bulbs and as I posted earlier work the best. I use this type of lamp on my tank and I am very pleased. Easy set up. No drilling required or ceiling install required. The lamps come complete with everything you need. The retailer links I have provided sell these lights for $300.00 Canadian dollars which works out to about 140 Pounds each. I have made several purchases through them and have been pleased with their service. My only concern would be the voltage in Britain vs. North America. We run 110V three prong grounded plugs. Good luck!

[musho3210]

getting shipment would cost a lot of money, are there any UK online distributors?

[m007]

Good point. The brand identification of the clamp on lights is: Coralife AquaLight Pro Metal Halide HQI Clamp-On Pendant 150W. I'm sure there are reseller who could hook you up with this product. BTW, if you have glass tops on your tank I would remove them. They tend to hinder proper air exchange and help to build unwanted heat.

[musho3210]

glass tops also block out a bit of the light so you might not be getting what you expect

[Germanman]

glass tops also block out a bit of the light so you might not be getting what you expect
true but if wiped down regularly its not much

[clare bear]

getting shipment would cost a lot of money, are there any UK online distributors?


hi,

i just phoned my local aquatics shop, he sorted me out with the t5 lighting unit and bulbs.
when i asked him if he could get hold of halide klip on lighting units, he said yes,
but he dont recomend it, he said germans are way a head than america and englend, as far as marine fish keeping go's, and he was told that the germans are recomending just recently for marine keepers to not use halid lighting units.
reason being, is halid lighting is like a microwave, it basicly heats the corals up from the inside, and it makes them to hot.
he said thay have sagessted people to start using the t5 tubes in clusters to make up for the wattage.

im not to sure what to think on this, so im going to investigate, and try to find somethink on the net to confirm wether this is true.

clare :huh:

[clare bear]

hi germanman

just to say, iv just looked at your tank.
lookin good, what a neat setup.

clare

[musho3210]

that doesnt make any sense, microwaves only heat up from the inside from using microwaves of radiation, halides dont have microwaves emiting from it therefor cant get inside of the coral to heat it up. And plus, the sun uses radioactive rays which also heats up a coral the same way a microwave does but in a much lower radioactive way. Also halides work similar to flourecents, the electricity heats up a filament filled with special metals causing a lot of light and heat but no radiation, in flourecents the electricity heats up murcury and burns metals.

If halides internally burn corals, why do millions of people still use it. THe lfs probably just wants you to buy lots of t5 tubes to get 150 watts rather than getting an MH lamp.

If MH lights were radio-active, i think most governments would ban them incase of lukemia and low sperm count in men.

[Germanman]

hi,

i just phoned my local aquatics shop, he sorted me out with the t5 lighting unit and bulbs.
when i asked him if he could get hold of halide klip on lighting units, he said yes,
but he dont recomend it, he said germans are way a head than america and englend, as far as marine fish keeping go's, and he was told that the germans are recomending just recently for marine keepers to not use halid lighting units.
reason being, is halid lighting is like a microwave, it basicly heats the corals up from the inside, and it makes them to hot.
he said thay have sagessted people to start using the t5 tubes in clusters to make up for the wattage.

im not to sure what to think on this, so im going to investigate, and try to find somethink on the net to confirm wether this is true.

clare :huh:
that bit on the halides is a load of....yea and whats the bit about the Germans u know im from America right? as for halides they are the best spectrum for corals and dont emit much microwaves at all, if any really, ur LFS need to pick up some books and read. always do the research for urself they lie a lot to not look stupid.:read:

[musho3210]

that bit on the halides is a load of....yea and whats the bit about the Germans u know im from America right? as for halides they are the best spectrum for corals and do emit much microwaves at all ur LFS need to pick up some books and read. always do the research fro urself they lie a lot to not look stupid.:read:

kinda hard to understand what your saying.... do emit much microwaves at all?

[Germanman]

kinda hard to understand what your saying.... do emit much microwaves at all?
i edited it...a misspelling there

[musho3210]

ok now it make sense :)

[musho3210]

MH lights may have some radioactive waves but i dont think there small enough as micro, maybe somewhere around visible light radiation or maybe even weaker than that, which is pretty much harmless (rainbows are made out of this visible light radiation i think) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Im pretty sure all light carries some sort of radioactive wave, along with everything else in this world, im sure corals need a bit of radioactivity since the sun is just one big radioactive ball. If corals are heated from the inside the molecules will slowly spread apart since heat gets the molecules more active and shakes more, if the molecules get overly active it becomes a liquid causing the coral to just explode or melt, ive never heard of an exploding coral under MH light. If you do want to see something explode from radioactive waves, put an egg in a microwave, just make sure you have the fire department on hold and a large towel to clean it all up. Put an egg in the water under the mh light and see if it explodes, if it explodes then mystery solved, dont use MH lights.

ps, you learn this stuff in 8th grade science class, if this information is wrong, i'll have to have a talk with the science teacher :p

[clare bear]

that doesnt make any sense, microwaves only heat up from the inside from using microwaves of radiation, halides dont have microwaves emiting from it therefor cant get inside of the coral to heat it up. And plus, the sun uses radioactive rays which also heats up a coral the same way a microwave does but in a much lower radioactive way. Also halides work similar to flourecents, the electricity heats up a filament filled with special metals causing a lot of light and heat but no radiation, in flourecents the electricity heats up murcury and burns metals.

If halides internally burn corals, why do millions of people still use it. THe lfs probably just wants you to buy lots of t5 tubes to get 150 watts rather than getting an MH lamp.

If MH lights were radio-active, i think most governments would ban them incase of lukemia and low sperm count in men.

i think he has just recently found out this.
and the frase microwave is just a term i think.

arnt halides more expencive than t5 lighting tubes? i dont know why he would just say that?
mabe he has just been told a load of crap.
its amazing what some people believe. i nerly did :)

clare

[Germanman]

i think he has just recently found out this.
and the frase microwave is just a term i think.

arnt halides more expencive than t5 lighting tubes? i dont know why he would just say that?
mabe he has just been told a load of crap.
its amazing what some people believe. i nerly did :)

clare
yes they are more expensive but are better and pose no threat to corals or fish other than iff u dont get enough air circulation. what he is saying is pretty on the ball. ur LFS needs to read up if u ask me.

[musho3210]

microwave is a strong electromagnetic wave that is able to penetrate most objects, i think x-rays are before microwaves i think and gamma waves are after microwaves (gamma being the strongest, the ones that come out of nuclear bombs) so if someone is going to mention microwave, they should be talking about those rays or the kitchen appliance thing.

A 250 watt mh light costs about 400 dollars a diy 250 watt can cost about 200 dollars., to get 250 watts of T5 light it may (or may not) cost more than 400 dollars so the lfs may have been trying to get some money.

[clare bear]

MH lights may have some radioactive waves but i dont think there small enough as micro, maybe somewhere around visible light radiation or maybe even weaker than that, which is pretty much harmless (rainbows are made out of this visible light radiation i think) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Im pretty sure all light carries some sort of radioactive wave, along with everything else in this world, im sure corals need a bit of radioactivity since the sun is just one big radioactive ball. If corals are heated from the inside the molecules will slowly spread apart since heat gets the molecules more active and shakes more, if the molecules get overly active it becomes a liquid causing the coral to just explode or melt, ive never heard of an exploding coral under MH light. If you do want to see something explode from radioactive waves, put an egg in a microwave, just make sure you have the fire department on hold and a large towel to clean it all up. Put an egg in the water under the mh light and see if it explodes, if it explodes then mystery solved, dont use MH lights.

ps, you learn this stuff in 8th grade science class, if this information is wrong, i'll have to have a talk with the science teacher :p

americans have much more years of schooling than us english.
i didnt take science. :)

clare

[musho3210]

no i think my science teacher is just crazy, he probably taught us that stuff since he felt like it was "cool"

[Germanman]

no i think my science teacher is just crazy, he probably taught us that stuff since he felt like it was "cool"
i learned that in Jr high physics

[Subliminal]

Just my opinion:

You don't 'need' 300 watts for a 50 gallon tank. I have a 218 watt t5 setup on my 55 and over the last few weeks have accumulated about 10 frags, all different stuff. At least 3 of them have shown growth already, and the rest just look every bit as good as when I got them.

Would 300 watts work for your setup? I'm sure it would. Would a little less?

In my opinion: Defitely.

As an aside, the only problem with any of the corals I've had was with a xenia. It was the only one that died, and it did so within a day of getting into my tank. the zoas, star polyps, acros, frogspawns, and whatever the heck the other ones are are just fine.

Maybe those xenia are a little more sensitive than people say, or maybe just a coincidence.

[Germanman]

Just my opinion:

You don't 'need' 300 watts for a 50 gallon tank. I have a 218 watt t5 setup on my 55 and over the last few weeks have accumulated about 10 frags, all different stuff. At least 3 of them have shown growth already, and the rest just look every bit as good as when I got them.

Would 300 watts work for your setup? I'm sure it would. Would a little less?

In my opinion: Defitely.

As an aside, the only problem with any of the corals I've had was with a xenia. It was the only one that died, and it did so within a day of getting into my tank. the zoas, star polyps, acros, frogspawns, and whatever the heck the other ones are are just fine.

Maybe those xenia are a little more sensitive than people say, or maybe just a coincidence.
Xenia are more sensitive than people say.

[musho3210]

yeah i know they dont need 300 watts, thats why a 150 watt MH light would work, you dont need a 250 watt.

[clare bear]

yes they are more expensive but are better and pose no threat to corals or fish other than iff u dont get enough air circulation. what he is saying is pretty on the ball. ur LFS needs to read up if u ask me.

i think my lfs is convinced that the germans know best!

i dont think he needs to read up, i think he is just gullable, when it comes to what ever the germans say.

i use to have the same problem
i get lots of advice and every body tells me diffrent, thats why i came on this forum, because im at least being told info infront of lost of diffrent people, and if say 5 people are sayin the same think, then thats what il go with.

clare

[Subliminal]

you have around 50 gallons, so your aiming for about 300 watts of T5, MH, or PC light

Just responding to this, man!

[Reefscape]

musho...what do you base this on??


you have around 50 gallons, so your aiming for about 300 watts of T5, MH, or PC light

Niko

[Germanman]

i think my lfs is convinced that the germans know best!

i dont think he needs to read up, i think he is just gullable, when it comes to what ever the germans say.

i use to have the same problem
i get lots of advice and every body tells me diffrent, thats why i came on this forum, because im at least being told info infront of lost of diffrent people, and if say 5 people are sayin the same think, then thats what il go with.

clare
Germans?

[musho3210]

200 watts of MH/PC/T5 light is the absolute minimum for the corals you have, with 200 watts you can pretty much only get softies like mushrooms and leathers

i also said this :)


Metal halide isnt like those tubes, its like an oversized incandescent lamp. moving some things around and you could fit one 150 or 250, maybe put it in the back and have the high light corals in the back and the low light corals in the front, would look nice
as well as that

I was basing the 300 watts on 6 wpg of MH light, good for softies and most lps, i also said aiming for not must have. Of course if you dont want lps or cant afford 300 watts, 200 would do but it would cut down on coral choice. There is no such thing as too much light under 10 wpg of MH light (anything more than 10 wpg of MH light is a waste in my opinion, it may also bleach some corals) so whats wrong with 6 wpg of mh/t5 light, just stated my reasons, dont need to think im grumpy or harsh everyone :)

[clare bear]

Just my opinion:

You don't 'need' 300 watts for a 50 gallon tank. I have a 218 watt t5 setup on my 55 and over the last few weeks have accumulated about 10 frags, all different stuff. At least 3 of them have shown growth already, and the rest just look every bit as good as when I got them.

Would 300 watts work for your setup? I'm sure it would. Would a little less?

In my opinion: Defitely.

As an aside, the only problem with any of the corals I've had was with a xenia. It was the only one that died, and it did so within a day of getting into my tank. the zoas, star polyps, acros, frogspawns, and whatever the heck the other ones are are just fine.

Maybe those xenia are a little more sensitive than people say, or maybe just a coincidence.

ye, my pink xenia defently dieing, its starting to mult.
do you think i should get it out of there or leave it to make sure its not going to recover.

my other bright green xenia is doing just fine, he looks well.
so far so good.

clare

[musho3210]

if you are a long way from upgrading the lighting system, you can ask your lfs to take care of your xenias until you get the light.

[Reefscape]

200 watts of MH/PC/T5 light is the absolute minimum for the corals you have, with 200 watts you can pretty much only get softies like mushrooms and leathers

that is incorrect, you can keep a lot more than soft corals like leathers, shrooms under 200w of MH lighting. If you look through the member tank specs in the forum, they will hold testament this..

Niko

[Germanman]

that is incorrect, you can keep a lot more than soft corals like leathers, shrooms under 200w of MH lighting. If you look through the member tank specs in the forum, they will hold testament this..

Niko
yea i have a 175 and it is more than enough for all my hard corals and clams. i only have 255watts over my tank and its flourishing.

[musho3210]

just saying what i learnt in otehr forums, may be wrong but its what ive been saying ever since i got here and not until know im being told that im wrong, not trying to say anything bad but i could have done with that information a little earlier since that was on the first page.

[Subliminal]

ye, my pink xenia defently dieing, its starting to mult.
do you think i should get it out of there or leave it to make sure its not going to recover.

As to your coral. I have no idea. I'm pretty much a n00b on all this.

However, I have been reading for hours a day for the last...two months or so. ;)

My xenia opened one time when i got it home, at night under my LEDS (which I thought was weird) and then it started shrinking noticably on the fragged rock it was on. Right now, you can't necessarily even tell it was there anymore.

It was a small sampling though.

I do have a pink anthelia in the tank which has some little dudes growing on the side that i don't think were there (or at least as noticable) when I got it. It's the biggest thing in my tank.

Anyway, good luck. You should really look around and see if you can find a local club and hook up with some guys.

I met a guy with a cooler in his back seat off US 287 at a McDonalds yesterday who gave me 5 frags and a bag of snails for $40. The other day I went to a guy's house in Red Bank who had so much coral in his tank, the ones on the bottom were taking a hit from lack of light. He gave me a nice sized rock with about 10 mushrooms on it, a piece he'd broken off some kind of acro or monti or something (see I don't even know what it is), as well as a nice fragspawn head for $20.

That Anthelia the guy threw in for free when i bought 17 turbo snails (the biggest of which is almost tennisball sized) for $20.

I don't know if it's ok to mention other forums, but reef central has a huge section of local clubs at the bottom of their forum.

It pays to hook up with hobbiests. or hobbyists. One or the other. ;)

[musho3210]

i tried joining a club, hard to get on one when your only 14 years old, they dont really trust you....... (i got denied anyway since i dont have a tank yet as well as being 14)

[Reefscape]

Musho - You have a PM - Read it please

Niko

[clare bear]

if you are a long way from upgrading the lighting system, you can ask your lfs to take care of your xenias until you get the light.

thanks but i dont think theres any need, one of them is fine, the pink one i think is going to die, either way. he hs been pooly from the beginin, probably already dead ehen arrived in post. i just carnt tell

i told my lfs, that i think i need more lighting for my xenias. he said the ones he has in the shop are just under standerd fluresent tubes, and they are fine,
he said theres no hurry for lighting.

thanks for your sugestion though :)

clare

[Germanman]

thanks but i dont think theres any need, one of them is fine, the pink one i think is going to die, either way. he hs been pooly from the beginin, probably already dead ehen arrived in post. i just carnt tell

i told my lfs, that i think i need more lighting for my xenias. he said the ones he has in the shop are just under standerd fluresent tubes, and they are fine,
he said theres no hurry for lighting.

thanks for your sugestion though :)

clare
floresent tubes arnt even close to what xenia need.... or any coral for that fact.

[musho3210]

standard fluorescents (aka NO fluorescents) are ok short-term i guess, it also matters how many tubes there are. But anyway you recieved a dying one from them so i wouldnt trust there lighting system. As for the dying one, if you are certain its dead remove it as a rotting coral can cause havoc on your bio-load.

[clare bear]

every time iv been in there he has hd xenias, they must be ok, other wise, he wouldnt be how to keep them, or sell them for a fact. iv known him to have sold them for 3 years or so.

silly question, but do you think we might have diffrent lighting options in the uk. that might be why people in uk can keep corals under lower wattage?

clare

[Germanman]

every time iv been in there he has hd xenias, they must be ok, other wise, he wouldnt be how to keep them, or sell them for a fact. iv known him to have sold them for 3 years or so.

silly question, but do you think we might have diffrent lighting options in the uk. that might be why people in uk can keep corals under lower wattage?

clare
Andy needs to step in here but corals only stay in fish stores a few weeks or so...they need to be sold and are usually. at my old work my boss was so ignorant that if corals were there more than a month they would die. i wouldnt trust the fish store that much...look it up for urself if u dont believe us.

[musho3210]

no flourescents are internationally the same i think, only different volts used on the plug. Are you sure he is using NO flourecents not HO or VHO or T5? they sort of look the same

[clare bear]

standard fluorescents (aka NO fluorescents) are ok short-term i guess, it also matters how many tubes there are. But anyway you recieved a dying one from them so i wouldnt trust there lighting system. As for the dying one, if you are certain its dead remove it as a rotting coral can cause havoc on your bio-load.

i didnt get the xenias from him, i got them from an aquatics mail order, off the net.
dont worry ill never get live stock posted again.
just a silly moment of mine :)

clare

[musho3210]

what website did you get it off from, does it have warranty?

[clare bear]

Andy needs to step in here but corals only stay in fish stores a few weeks or so...they need to be sold and are usually. at my old work my boss was so ignorant that if corals were there more than a month they would die. i wouldnt trust the fish store that much...look it up for urself if u dont believe us.

ill live and learn :)

[Germanman]

ill live and learn :)
very good motto:)

[musho3210]

another good motto is you get what you pay for lol, thats my motto (my mom doesnt follow it, always looking for the cheapest stuff, gotta do some convincing when i get some of the expensive stuff)

Are all the corals at your lfs under NO light, if the high light corals like some lps, sps, and anemones are under NO light, talk to the owner about it.

[Catpicklesdog]

Andy needs to step in here but corals only stay in fish stores a few weeks or so...they need to be sold and are usually. at my old work my boss was so ignorant that if corals were there more than a month they would die. i wouldnt trust the fish store that much...look it up for urself if u dont believe us.

Same in UK!!! (although my LFS has a special coral tank and guess what - he uses halides!!!!

[clare bear]

what website did you get it off from, does it have warranty?

i think its just a small company that just grows corals. it dosent have warrenty, lol :)
like i said just a silly moment, ill stick to shops, atleast i can buy them, then get them straight home.

clare

[Catpicklesdog]

i think its just a small company that just grows corals. it dosent have warrenty, lol :)
like i said just a silly moment, ill stick to shops, atleast i can buy them, then get them straight home.

clare

That's the disadvantage of buying online. You can't see what you're getting. At least at your LFS you can see for yourself how everything is before you choose what you want.

[musho3210]

yeah, hopefully didnt cost too much, would suck if you lost something like a 200 dollar/pound coral

[clare bear]

another good motto is you get what you pay for lol, thats my motto (my mom doesnt follow it, always looking for the cheapest stuff, gotta do some convincing when i get some of the expensive stuff)

Are all the corals at your lfs under NO light, if the high light corals like some lps, sps, and anemones are under NO light, talk to the owner about it.

he has alsorts of corals, there unders suficent lighting, in a sepret tank.
the xenias are in a normal standerd light tank, thats what puzzles me, if he thought they needed the extra lighting, why wouldnt he just put them in with the other corals, in the t5 set up?

every body has there own way of of doing things, and it obviously works for him.

clare

[Germanman]

he has alsorts of corals, there unders suficent lighting, in a sepret tank.
the xenias are in a normal standerd light tank, thats what puzzles me, if he thought they needed the extra lighting, why wouldnt he just put them in with the other corals, in the t5 set up?

every body has there own way of of doing things, and it obviously works for him.

clare
he is either ignorant or running them off a high nutrient system...which most corals cant stand.

[m007]

Hey Clare, I run a 150W Coralife Clamp on MH fixture and all my corals are doing very well. I have Xenia, Zoos, Leather, Polyps, Elegance, Hammer, Frog Spawn, Clam, Goniporia, Acro, etc. No melting, no deaths, no problems. What ever you LFS is telling you about MH is garbage. I wouldn't anymore money on coral until you get your lighting sorted. In addition a great number of coral require feeding to thrive along with consistant water maintenance. Fix the light, keep your water fresh, and research coral needs before you proceed. Good luck!

[musho3210]

THinking about it in the shower and i may have finally cracked it :D

when mh and flourescent lights light up the electricity liquifys the mercury causing UV light which infact is radio-active, maybe thats where the lfs guy got the idea from.

But maybe you should just ask him why does he think that.

[jojo22]

But maybe you should just ask him why does he think that.


Because the Germans said so!!!

[clare bear]

Because the Germans said so!!!


lol:)