Sick Oscar Please Help!!!!!!!!!

ishimoto6

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My tiger oscar, Gideon, is really sick and i don't know what to do.

I have only had him for about two months. At first he was real scared but then he got real friendly and seemed fine. About a week and a half ago he got a spot on his head. He also started to eat less and get lethargic. I went to the oet store and they said he had ick. I got RIDICK medicine and followed the direction for about a week. He has completely stopped eating now. The spot went away but now he gets spots in different areas and they move around through out the day. He has gotten indentations on either side of his mouth and his fins look like they are jagged. He has also gotten skinier than he was. I went back to the pet store and got an anti-parasite medication because my reaserch on the internet made it sound like he might have a parasite. I have been using this medication for over 48 hours and still no improvement. i tested my water and it is fine.


Please help me!!! This is my first pet ever and i don't want to loose him. What should i do?

Ishi:huh:
 
It sounds like he may have something known as hole in the head disease. It comes from poor water quality and diet. Have you tested your water? Also, how large is the tank? In any case, i would suggest immediately doing a water change and stop dosing the unnecessary meds for ick, they might be harming the oscar instead of helping him.

Good luck!

B.W.
 
HITH is a disease complex which is poorly understood considering its considerable involvement in the hobby. the flagellate protozoan 'Hexamita' or 'Octomitus' is usually involved but not always.

the disease typically exists as a low-level infection in the intestines of a variety of coldwater fish and some cichlids .. notably oscars, discus and angels. in themselves, the "pits" that develop are not harmful when shallow and seem to come and go depending on the water quality.

if the parasites multiply and infestation persists, the errosions may become worse and internal organs become involved. treatment with metronidazole or dimetridazole has proven at least partially effective in treatment of the parasites and thus, the holes observed along the lateral line. 400 mg/10 gallons at 93F for 5 consecutive days with 30% water change prior to each dosing is the current most effective recommendation.

internal bacterial infections are often co-involved and should be concurrently treated with medicated food containing a broad spectrum antibiotic. if the fish are no longer feeding, this treatment is of course not possible and makes complete recovery very difficult.

diet is also suspect in this disease complex .. lack of vitamin C primarily. water quality has a significant impact on recovery -- even insignificant concentrations of ammonia or nitrite result in poor recovery. nitrates should be held below 10 ppm. increasing the variety of vegetable fibre in the diet concurrent with higher levels of vitamins including C and B12 are helpful.

stress from tanks which are too small, overcrowding, use of feeder fish and poor nutrition are implicated. while little scientific evidence exists for this theory, removal of carbon from the filter may help since some researchers suspect it of removal of trace elements from the water which exacerbates the problem.

some cichlosomas like oscars, the geophagines and acarichthys etc. will sometimes develop HITH if kept in hard alkaline water.

stray electrical current. if your fish mysteriously come down with HITH and your care is impeccable, or if your fish have a chronic problems with HITH generation after generation you might want to get a Voltmeter/Multitester. this device measures electrical currents. place one of the probes directly into the tank water, and ground the other. the dial should read zero(0). any reading over zero(0) and this could be your problem. fish are very sensitive to water conditions and electricity in the water is a major source of stress.

buy a grounding probe and install it in your tank, then try and determine which piece of equipment is causing the leak and either replace or discard it (heaters and power heads are common problem items), also follow the steps listed above in the cure section to insure you are covering all possible causes, unless you want to try and verify that this was the only factor.

a varied quality diet will go a long way to improving your fishes health, and prevention of HITH, but it probably wont cure it. To do this, you need to add a vitamin supplement to their food. note that an additional treatment which includes vitamin supplementation may prove useful. there are several vitamin supplements available on the market that you dose to the tank. stay away from these. vitamins are very unstable in water. they break down and dissipate quite rapidly. also, fish do not absorb vitamins to any great degree through their skin or gills.

given this, you have to dose the fish’s food. this is best accomplished using pellets. use liquid vitamin supplements that you can get at health food stores. these supplements have a very hi dosage, which is good considering their instability in water. use a multivitamin or vitamins B, C and D if you cant find the multivitamin. place the pellets in a bowl and use just enough of the supplements to cover the pellets. allow them to soak until they are slightly mushy but still firm. then feed. feed this every day. for picky fish that refuse to eat prepared foods, dose black worms with the vitamins, and allow them to sit for 24 hours. this kills some of the worms, but this isn't a problem. then freeze them. if you can not find the liquid supplements, you can use any regular multivitamins. you will need a mortar and pestle to grind them into a very fine powder. dissolve into a small amount of water, then soak the food in that.
 
My oscars are also sick and they showed at least 2 symptoms similar to your oscars'. I concluded that they had HITH (although given the variety of food and perfect water quality I just could not comprehend) and/or some type of bateria disease. I am no fish doctor but I didn't think it hurt to try some of the things people suggested. And after all I was quite desperate.

First I ordered Vitachem (this is vitamins) and some Maracyn II. While waiting for the order to arrive I put the oscars in a 10g hospital tank. I suspected the carbon and/or the heater in the 55g might have had something to do with it. I have been giving them vitamins and the other medicine for a few days now. Only time will tell whether this is helping or not.

Anyway, my suggestion here is:
- Remove carbon from your filter just as a precautionary measure.
- Check all devices like heaters, power head etc to make sure there is no current leaking to the water.
- Look into some medicine that treats parasite, bacteria or fungus diseases. Match up the symtoms with the disease description.

Hope this helps.
 
Sorry you're having troubles with your pet :(

Ok you've been given all the info you need on hole in the head by livtopadl, now :

i tested my water and it is fine.

Can you post your readings for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and Ph and say what test kit you're using ?

Also, what's your water changing & maintenance regime and what size tank is it (and how big is your fish) ?
 
I have a 75 gallon with 2 ocsars about 8 inches long and about 2-21/2 years old, one got sick while the other was fine, I went to site after site tryin to get help people said its the water, try epson salt bla bla bla , nothing worked until I used Maracyn 2 which cured my fish in 3 days were he started swimming around again and eating, you can pick it up at any pet store , it is like a fish antibiotic it won't effect any other fish in the take and won't effect your tank biology and make it cycle its about $15 for a box with 24 little packets I would try that, read the directions usually you are supposed to put 2 packs for every 10 gallons the first day then half that the next day and so on try it for about 4-5 days and if there are no improvements the only other thing I can suggest is maybe you dont have enough oxygen in the water, I have a 75 gallon and had a small air pump made for like a 20 gallon I noticed my fish weren't that active so I purchased an air pump made for an 80 gallon tank and dramatically increased the air bubbles in the tank and right away I noticed a big change in their activity, if you dont have enough air in the tank your fish will get lethargic and may not eat.
 
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I don't think a 75 gal is enough room for 2 oscars. But I not positive
 
Most hole in the head disease is caused by live feeders. Do not feed Oscars live feeders, use pellets. As for the ich if you do have it, take your filter media out of the filters(i.e. carbon, etc....) keep the filter running tho. Turn the heater up to about 80-82* by raising the water temp. it speeds up the ich life cycle, add in some ridich or what ever your med of choice is. Also add a little bit of salt to the tank, it will help the fish with the stress of all of this.
 
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