Sex ??? & need mate RED DEVIL PICS ! LOAD WARNING !

[ddyerfamily]

:help: I was given this fish from friend who moved away.
Has become the family's favorite !
It had a mate but died before I got them.:(
I posted same Question in general freshwater,
they seem to think it is male.....
Would be hard to buy many fish to find mate at this size.(8"+...no tail)
Any Ideas would be helpful.
Thanks

[Bluepitbullz]

Looks more like a midas to me... and a nice lookin male at that... nice finnage!!!

[ddyerfamily]

I am not sure if it is a Red Devil...........?
I was told it was from previous owner.
I saw pics of Midas seemed bigger in the head area.
........????????.........
More Questions :read: ...........:help:

[electromen]

It looks like a male to me. I've kept both Midas and RD... it really does look like a Midas, but if its 8+" and a male... chances are it is a RD. Male Midas develop the infamous nuchal hump..

[Mgamer20o0]

no idea but looks nice

[electromen]

Here's a pic of one of my male Midas.

Edit: FEMALE Midas.. whoopsie.

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[Rbishop]

Nice fish!

[sirasoni]

pretty sure its a hybrid between the RD/midas. you generally can't find pures. and i agree that looks like a nice male :)

[ddyerfamily]

Thanks Again.
Never thought of hybrid.?

[sirasoni]

yeah the 2 are closely related so they can and do interbreed

[ddyerfamily]

Hmmmmmmm...............
did not know that.

[mikie61]

It is a parrot cichlid. My wife has 5 in her fresh water tank and there hybrids.
Most fish books won't list them as this kind of hybryidation is usually frowned upon.

[richos]

looks just like my female RD...male has lump
Cichlaloma labiatus...from nicaragua
as aposed to
Cichlasoma citrinellum...Midas
my cameras playing up...will post pics as soon as i get my camera sorted

[mostlycichlids]

Its a female Midas cichlid almost 100% sure of it....

[ddyerfamily]

looks just like my female RD...male has lump

Cichlaloma labiatus...from nicaragua
as aposed to
Cichlasoma citrinellum...Midas
my cameras playing up...will post pics as soon as i get my camera sorted

I would lovvvve to see pics of your fish.
Please when you can.
Thanks

[ddyerfamily]

:help: I was given this fish from friend who moved away.
Has become the family's favorite !
It had a mate but died before I got them.:(
I posted same Question in general freshwater,
they seem to think it is male.....
Would be hard to buy many fish to find mate at this size.(8"+...no tail)
Any Ideas would be helpful.
Thanks
BUMP

[Rallysman]

Looks like a mix between rd/midas to me as well. Definitely not a parrot.

[ddyerfamily]

:huh::huh::huh::huh::huh:

[dave1982ca]

thats a male for shure

[dave1982ca]

hers a pic of my female the male is in the back

[ddyerfamily]

hers a pic of my female the male is in the back
your fish are too young to show bump on head.
nice fish:dance2:

Mine seems to have small bump but most large males I see
have large bumps.making it easy to sex them.
Telling sex by fin shape is beyond me.:(

[JOLIE'smama]

Hello.....I have the exact type of fish that I just currently obtained thru freecycle. So is my Jolie a boy or a girl can anyone tell????? (S)he is in my pic???? Help.........What causes a fish to loose its color??? When I got her she was dark now she is more a pink not red BUT STILL VERY ACTIVE??????

[ddyerfamily]

They change darkness of color when stressed or breeding.
Check your water first.
Is a new fish......might need to adjust to your water.
some illness shows through fish moving up and down tank or
bouncing of bottom / sides of tank.:read:
nice fish.
H

[sirasoni]

your fish are too young to show bump on head.
nice fish:dance2:

Mine seems to have small bump but most large males I see
have large bumps.making it easy to sex them.
Telling sex by fin shape is beyond me.:(

alot of cichlids can develop the nuchal hump pretty early

[ddyerfamily]

:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
ok

[ddyerfamily]

no idea but looks nice
THANKS :dance:

[richos]

[LEFT]

I would lovvvve to see pics of your fish.
Please when you can.
Thanks


Its a female RD...Ive posted in the what sex thread in the tanks and fish picks forum...heres the picks again...

Male
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x312/RichOs69/01010256-1.jpg

Pair
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x312/RichOs69/01010295-1.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x312/RichOs69/01010254-1.jpg

[ddyerfamily]

Its a female RD...Ive posted in the what sex thread in the tanks and fish picks forum...heres the picks again...

Male
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x312/RichOs69/01010256-1.jpg

Pair
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x312/RichOs69/01010295-1.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x312/RichOs69/01010254-1.jpg
Double take........:eek: ........WoW....!...........Ilike !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How old are they ?
Wondering how long it takes to get that big ?
Any fry from them ?

[electromen]

I still think its a male. Look at the finnage... Not all RD develop a nuchal hump at that size either.. I have an 8" one without a hump that was also clearly a female.

[richos]

With labiatus (and most CA cichlids) the finnage has nothing to do with the sex...both male AND female will grow long flowing fins.
The only real way is to look at its anal hole...the male (as you can see in the first pic) has a long, pronounced and 'sharp' (pointy) apendage. The female's is rounded.
If its pointy its a he.
Looking closely at the pics, yours seems to be a mix. It has the beak and colouration of a Parrot/Midas cross. But looks to be mostly RD.
ddyerfamily: They are about 2 1/2 to 3 years old
In a big enough tank they will get that big in about a year (from fry).
the next 6"'s of growth is a bit slower...but again given enough room and food they will power along.
Fry...tons...I call em my 'big blonde convicts'
He's always ready to rocknroll...as soon as I syphon out the fry he's digging the nest and pushing her into it...He's a bit of a wife basher, so when I had them in 4' together I seperated them with a piece of eggcrategrille. Untill she was aok again. Now they are in a 6' with others so he doesnt beat on her. He's busy being nice as my wifes Golden FlowerHorn has taken a liking to her and trys to entice her away all the time.
Ill get the camera out 2night and post some more pics.

[ddyerfamily]

With labiatus (and most CA cichlids) the finnage has nothing to do with the sex...both male AND female will grow long flowing fins.
The only real way is to look at its anal hole...the male (as you can see in the first pic) has a long, pronounced and 'sharp' (pointy) apendage. The female's is rounded.
If its pointy its a he.
Looking closely at the pics, yours seems to be a mix. It has the beak and colouration of a Parrot/Midas cross. But looks to be mostly RD.
ddyerfamily: They are about 2 1/2 to 3 years old
In a big enough tank they will get that big in about a year (from fry).
the next 6"'s of growth is a bit slower...but again given enough room and food they will power along.
Fry...tons...I call em my 'big blonde convicts'
He's always ready to rocknroll...as soon as I syphon out the fry he's digging the nest and pushing her into it...He's a bit of a wife basher, so when I had them in 4' together I seperated them with a piece of eggcrategrille. Untill she was aok again. Now they are in a 6' with others so he doesnt beat on her. He's busy being nice as my wifes Golden FlowerHorn has taken a liking to her and trys to entice her away all the time.
Ill get the camera out 2night and post some more pics.

I wish Richo you were closer.I would love to see your fish and tanks !
I read that hybrids were infertile ?
Anyway to really know if mine is hybrid ?
I thought about breeding (I love the solid pink color)
Leaves questions like -
breed RD to RD or RD to midas ?
Don't want bad/non-pure arguements,please public.
I am not pro breeder just hobby w/the kids.
I have plenty tank space,365 gal. total
Tx

[ddyerfamily]

bump...richos where are pics. ??????????

[newsom00]

nice fish

[MbunaFishKeeper]

i think its a male hybrid between midas and RD.

[richos]

ddyerfamily
Ive been in hospital getting a plate put in my shoulder...one finger typing at moment...inbetween sleeping off the pain killers...will be back on feet soon

[ddyerfamily]

ddyerfamily
Ive been in hospital getting a plate put in my shoulder...one finger typing at moment...inbetween sleeping off the pain killers...will be back on feet soon
ouch !!!!!!!
no hurry.......our fish are not swimming away :naughty:

I took some new pictures.
will post again........

[Nolapete]

I was going to say male at first, but the fourth picture down makes me want to say it's a well-conditioned female because the dorsal is more squared-off instead of pointed even though it has nice streamers.

[ddyerfamily]

I think my RD is starting to show a nochal hump on head ?
I am starting to feel it's a MALE.
See what you all think.......
Also is now so aggressive I CAN NOT put my hands in tank !
It is bulling the others......pair adult Convicts(w/1 day old fry) and
2 plecos 7-8" and 12+"
I am going crazy......replanting my plants daily !
It chases my hand whole time.

It HURTS when a Large RD hits you full speed !!!!!!!!!:rant2: