Yeah, I myself got lost in the UGF/no-UGF debate. I decided to take a set out of a tank before my tank was cycled. I understand that removing a UGF/RUGF after cycling is completed will mess up the cycle process and cause ammonia spikes. I decided to avoid any possible problems. I have had pretty good results going with out a UGF system in my Goldfish and Tropical tanks. You could go with a Fluval or Eheim canister filter. Pond pumps and filtration are not as quiet
Good Luck,
Mr. U
Yeah, that's the downside of UGF's, getting underneath to clean things.I have just always used UGF but I do find that they suck the dirt down and make it harder to really clean the gravel also when vaccuuming
maybe I"ll try without! just a canister or Canister and HOB?