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ReignsAngel
06-28-2007, 9:29 PM
We're not having any luck with our powder blues (males). The first one we bought, lived for about 3 weeks. When we got him, we brought him home with a dwarf gourami that was aggressive, so we moved the dwarf into his own tank and left the powder blue in the community tank. Three weeks later, we woke up to find he had passed away in the night. We tested the water, and everything was fine. None of the other tank mates had passed.

About two weeks later, we decided to get another male powder blue. This time he lived longer, well over a month, but today, he's having trouble, we think he's going to die. His color is bad, very blotchy, and he looks bloated. He's having trouble staying on the surface, and just drifts to the bottom. We removed him from the tank and put him in the q-tank. We tested the water again, and all is fine.

We have two female gouramis that are showing plenty of life, with no problems. The other male dwarf that we put in another tank is still doing fine. So why are our powder blue males struggling? We love these powders, but are afraid of getting another.

Thank you,
T

Nolapete
06-28-2007, 9:34 PM
By powder blue do you mean powder blue dwarf or 3 spot?

If it's powder blue dwarves that are giving you problems, I advise just to stay away from them. I suspect that the males are fed steroids to make them grow fast and enhance color.

If you mean 3 spots, then that's a different story. I would just try a different LFS as you probably are just hitting on a bad batch.

Have you been quarantining these fish before putting them in the main tank?

Nolapete
06-28-2007, 9:36 PM
http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/anabantids2/p/pbgourami.htm is what you have correct?

Not
http://freshaquarium.about.com/od/gourami/p/bluegourami.htm

ReignsAngel
06-28-2007, 9:58 PM
Right, we have the powder blue dwarf gouramis. We quarantine them first before introducing them to the community. I don't think it's the batch, because both PBs were purchased from a different LFS.

I didnt realize they fed them steroids. From what I read they are just another strand of the dwarfs. We just love the powder blues, they are so social and the color is just beautiful. I just would like to see if this is something that is common in this species, and if other people have the same trouble.

bullseye69
06-29-2007, 12:29 AM
My wife has had that happen to 2 of her powder blue dwarf gouramis too. sorry about yours. try the fire dwarfs the are really cool

Nolapete
06-29-2007, 10:31 AM
I suspect that they do. I have no proof though. I've always found the "color strains" of dwarf gouramis to be enormous in comparison to regular color ones.

Luvbugz
06-29-2007, 11:32 AM
IME dwarf gouramis esp the powder blue ones are not the hardiest of things. They are very very inbred to get them to be powder blue. They seem to easily susceptible to fugus. They also seem to have alot of congenital defects.

Nolapete
06-29-2007, 11:35 AM
Yep, I never have trouble with normal color dwarfs. IMO, they are much prettier than all the flame, powder blue, etc. If you've ever seen a regular male dwarf in breeding color, you know there's nothing more beautiful.

Marinemom
06-29-2007, 11:39 AM
I agree. For whatever reason the powder blues for me have always given me a problem and do not live too long. I am not exactly sure why. Try another strain and see if you have better luck with them.

Marinemom

TwoTankAmin
06-29-2007, 1:28 PM
RTR posted this on the Forum that is not allowed to be mentioned on this site:

Dwarf gouramis are over-bred, hormoned and antibioticed until they are one of the most delicate fish relatively common in the hobby. If you want to keep them, kept them species-only and QT for 1-3 months if not forever. They are notorious for carrying drug-resistant infectious septicemias.

All JMHO, YMMV, but I would not have any of the dwarfs in my house unless from a local and known-to-me breeder.


Trust this info for sure.

jm1212
06-29-2007, 1:58 PM
dwarf gouramis from mass breeding farms are pretty fragile and sickly fish, and it has only happened in the last year and a half or so. the first dwarf gourami i had was very healthy, but that was almost two years ago.

Corvina
06-29-2007, 3:26 PM
About 25 years ago I kept a tank with 6 blue gourami. They were the hardiest fish in the tank. Lived for 5 years (then I moved and gave them to a friend) with no problems.
Guess things have changed?

ReignsAngel
06-29-2007, 3:47 PM
Corvina, powder blue dwarfs and blue gouramis are different. The blues get big, well, 4+", lol. The dwarfs stay around 2"-2.5" long.

Thank you all for the information. I suppose powder blues may just be a bad choice at this time. As much as we love them, we may have to wait for another male.

The funny thing is, every site that sells them claims them to be a very hardy fish, able to adapt to various water conditions and easy fish to keep. Like I was saying, the regular dwarf *male, red/blue* has survived slendidly. He is truly a beautiful fish, his colors are incredibly vivid. The only thing is, he's aggresive, well, he's aggresive toward other males. Also, sometimes he will chase off a tetra if it gets too close. Would anyone recommend we move him back into the big tank? At this time, we have two females in there. I know he won't mess with the corydoras, the zebra danios are too ellusive, and the two killis are tough fish in thier own right. My only concern would be if he became aggresive with the two females. I would think he'd be happy to have two little girl friends. What advice would you all have on that?

rich311k
06-29-2007, 3:55 PM
You can always give it a try. He should be ok as the only male. Worse that happens is you move him back if he starts acting up.

ReignsAngel
06-29-2007, 7:24 PM
Well, tonight we are going to try to reintroduce the dwarf to the community tank. Wish me luck! :D

majorzeb
06-29-2007, 8:15 PM
I have had a lot of problems keeping my dwarf gouramis alive...I had two powder blue dwarfs together for about 2 months, and then they died, and I ended up getting another one, and then that one died shortly after I purchased it. I tested my water, and it seemed to be fine. There must be something wrong with the quality of gouramis these days.

ReignsAngel
06-29-2007, 10:27 PM
Zeb, it's sad really. :( They are so beautiful.

janetdc1
10-11-2007, 9:00 PM
hmmmm-this is making me nervous!
I will have to keep a close eye on my dwarfs- I have one flame, one powder blue, and one neon and they are all so beautiful! the guy told me it was the "neon" dwarf that is actually natural- like the way they are in the wild- red and blue stripes- but he is the one who seems the most fragile to me of the three- I have to distract the other fish so i can feed just him- he only eats itty bitty pieces of flakes, and then goes and hides. he appears to be getting a little plumper, but I did notice he had a whitish stringy -almost thread like substance hanging from him today- if i didn't know better I'd say it was weird poop-
any ideas?
Anyway- Good luck with your new Powder Blue!!!
j

destined_love7
10-11-2007, 9:22 PM
Janet....It's a parasite. I just lost mine to it after weeks of treating with metronizadole [sp] and Epsom salt.

jagr200
10-11-2007, 9:43 PM
RTR posted this on the Forum that is not allowed to be mentioned on this site:


Trust this info for sure.

Im not gonna trust that info! I have 2 flame dwarfs, 1 Neon Blue(AKA Powder Blue) and 1 gold all males who have been with me for many months. I also have some corys, a bristlenose pleco, and a school of harlequin rasboras. Not one problem at all. Oh and I have some Ruby Red Ramshorn Snails.

jagr200
10-11-2007, 9:47 PM
hmmmm-this is making me nervous!
I will have to keep a close eye on my dwarfs- I have one flame, one powder blue, and one neon and they are all so beautiful! the guy told me it was the "neon" dwarf that is actually natural- like the way they are in the wild- red and blue stripes- but he is the one who seems the most fragile to me of the three- I have to distract the other fish so i can feed just him- he only eats itty bitty pieces of flakes, and then goes and hides. he appears to be getting a little plumper, but I did notice he had a whitish stringy -almost thread like substance hanging from him today- if i didn't know better I'd say it was weird poop-
any ideas?
Anyway- Good luck with your new Powder Blue!!!
j

Ya my blue was kinda shy for about 2 months but now he is out and about all the time. Oh and the white poop is the result of a parasite like mentioned above. QT immediatly and treat with meds.

gingerinaustin
10-11-2007, 11:48 PM
RTR posted this on the Forum that is not allowed to be mentioned on this site:

There's another Forum that's not allowed to be mentioned on AQ? Good lord. I hope I haven't mentioned it inadvertently!

Back on topic: I had two sunset dwarf gouramis. One died a few days after I got them; looked like a ulcer blowout on its side. The other one died several months later after a prolonged, gradual deterioration. I did some reading and learned dwarf gouramis are overbred to achieve the vibrant colors and as a result are very fragile and prone to disease. Three-spot gouramis (like the one in my avatar) are supposed to be more hardy.

Lupin
10-12-2007, 1:53 AM
I don't buy them. Almost all dwarf gouramis bred in Asia (and I do live in Asia) are fed with foods containing hormones allowing sex reversal on females but this also includes the males during their juvenile stages to be sure that all will achieve the colors on the expectations fo their breeders. Females are silvery in color and only a few people realize that as they are not common nowadays nor will you still see any of them anyway considering the way they are produced and distributed.

rosita
10-12-2007, 10:00 AM
http://www.a-q-u-a-r-i-u-m-b-o-a-r-d.com/forums/general-freshwater/763.htm

This is a thread with 50 responses dealing with dwarf blues and fatal illness, including photos of huge bloat. My purpose in bringing it to AC is to share information and a person's research on the disease, so I'd like to think our MODS here will be mature and not make a case of it. I placed hyphens between letters so it would show. Hope it helps. If I get banned . . . well, I wouldn't want to be under a fascist regime, did that for 3 years in Italy.

yourchoice
10-12-2007, 11:14 PM
They are highly inbred to get the baby blue color.Read they have bad intestines.Notice they have very square head look about them compared to the other colors.The two I had one lasted 3 months the other 4.Just seem to die old age .Ate less and less the last month.

Also finding meds(metro-flagyl included) not working to well when the Dwarf Gouramis stop eating. However freshly hatched Baby Brine Shirmps take about 24 hours to hatch in marine salt will bring them back.

rsanz
10-12-2007, 11:48 PM
My experience with dwarf gouramis has been similar to many people in this thread. They seem to stop pooping, balloon up, then die. I don't understand it. Both of my gouramis (one normal dwarf, the other powder blue dwarf) both had the same fate.

rosita
10-13-2007, 1:58 PM
Bad intestines, and I think, complete digestive system. One person believed his to have HITH bacteria in bloated stomach when he did an autopsy on it. Inbreeding is a scary thing, but to not warn hobbyists of something like that----mo' money, mo' money. My 3 died, and I'll never buy dwarfs again, period!!

doreenjoy
10-13-2007, 10:33 PM
Are there any reputable breeders of dwarf gouramis on this board? I'd love to get a healthy one.