MAFIA #5 The Play.....

[Rbishop]

Social Rules

1) Game members only please in this thread. Watching is encouraged, but please do not post ideas, theories or anything else. You could have signed up, but nooooo.

2) This is a game. What is said in the game stays in the game. There will be accusations, incriminations, etc. But it's a game. If anybody gets too rowdy, I'll ask the mods to shut it down.

Never take things to a personal level.

This is a game, for entertainment only, play with enthusiasm, not hate.

3) When I declare it to be night, please don't post until 'morning'. You're 'asleep'.

Game Mechanics

1) Each 'day' everyone in the town (including mafia) can vote to lynch someone. You vote by saying (in bold)… I vote to lynch so and so.

If you decide to switch your vote, state in bold you are doing so and the new vote.

Do not put your vote in your signature.

2) Whoever has the most votes gets lynched. If you have two and everyone else has one vote… you get lynched.

a. The priority of lynchings is Townies, Vigilante, Mafia, and then Untimely Deaths.

b. The Doctor’s protection overrides any of the lynchings.

2a) If multiple people have the same number of votes, I will randomly decide which of those gets lynched.

3) You may vote to lynch no-one.

4) If you aren't active for two day/night cycles, with at least posting once, then you will pass away from some strange (probably embarrassing) illness that I will give you.

5) Everything stays in the game, no PMing people and setting up deals or alliances, or discussing issues in this game on other sites. The sole exception to this is the authorization by me for special role players to do so.

a.I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT AUTHORIZED PEOPLE COMMUNICATE VIA AN OFF SITE MESSAGING BOARD LIKE MSN/AIM/ICQ.

6) You can say whatever you want in the game, but you can't 'prove it' with my PM to you.

Anyone can declare themselves the detective; indeed, I've seen mafia do so quite effectively for a short time.

The mafia wins when there is the same number of mafia as innocents. They can control the lynching then.

The innocents win if they lynch all the mafia.

If you have any questions, PM me. If it's important to all, I'll post it.

1) No one... except the mafia... is to discuss the game outside of the thread. That's kind of the point. If you are discussing things, then everyone else doesn't get the benefit of your deliberations. Think town hall rather than internet chat room.

2) DO NOT USE MY PM'S TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE.

3) THIS GAME IS NOT TO BE DISCUSSED ON OTHER SITES, THREADS OR CHAT, UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER.

The players are the townsfolk in the great city of ACville.

Some are Innocents; the remaining are Mafia; the Mafia know who each other are, and can communicate with one another.

The Mayor...works to find the Detective as they can rid the town of Mafia and to find other special role players. The Mayor can PM me once each game night with their suspicions and I will confirm the role the person is playing. Once the Mayor learns who the Detective is, the Mayor can PM the Detective. As a team, they can lynch a Mafia person twice. Their efforts should be to get the townspeople to lynch the Mafia. Both the Mayor and the Detective should PM me to confirm the lynch.

The Detective...investigates the townspeople to confirm Mafia identities, find other special role players, and find the Mayor. The Detective can do one investigation each game night by PM to me and I will confirm the identity.

The Doctor...has the ability to protect one person each game night. They do this by sending me a PM at game nightfall on who is to be protected that night. Be sure to protect the right person, Doctor! The Doctor can protect them self only on nights when the doctor has no votes to be lynched by the townsfolk’s.

The Vigilante...a total wild card...he can kill once per game by sending me a PM at the start of the game night. The Vigilante can be an Innocent or a Mafia, and strike against either.

The Don...has total control of the Mafia. He will PM me at the beginning of the night with the Mafia's choice of who gets lynched, EVEN IF IT IS ONE OF HIS OWN! He can do three investigations to me by PM, one a game night, in his efforts to find the Mayor, Doctor, Detective, or Vigilante. Should the Don be lynched, each of the remaining Mafia will have to PM me, and I will break any ties.

The Unexpected Post…some may or may not get a PM from me to put something in their next post. It may be true or a lie, but you will have to live with it.

The Secret Identity…one or more townies who befall a lynch/hit will not have their special role revealed until the night after their death. Limit of two times that this will be done.

The “Dead Men Tell Tales” vote. Sometime after 5 deaths have occurred, one of the “dead” will get to vote in the townies lynch vote. This will be decided by a random number generator, and only happen twice.

The “Botched Murder”. On the first game night, I will flip a coin. Either the Townies lynch or the Mafia hit will fail. Nothing will be revealed about this person’s special roles, if any.

DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS!

If you need to clarify things or correct them, make a new post.

Upon your death, you can make a simple “ghostly” statement that you are moving on, but no discussion of the thread or theories.

If for any reason you need to leave the game, please PM me, do not post it in the thread.

I really hope to get a minimum of 24-28 folks for this game! You will need to take notes.



Botched Murder is a 50/50 thing, night one only. If the failed lynch/hit victim is on anyone's investigation for that night, the investigation will result only in "Not Enough Conclusive Evidence".

Secret Identity holds the revealing of their role until the next game night. If a member is lynched/hit that is on my Secret Identity List, and they are selected for investigation before I reveal their identity, the investigation will result in "Not Enough Conclusive Evidence". Since the Don is limited to 3 Investigations, the "Not Enough Conclusive Evidence" that he could get will not count against his 3 allowed.

"In the game you will get accused, grilled, made to look like an idiot, and a hundred other things. IN THE GAME. Do not take anything personally or make ANY personal attacks."


The players....

Malbri
mee-mee
IceH2O
Hooked Newbie
Coler
sploke
judgemax
Cory Lover
johnlarson66
KingOfTheDeep
joander123
clown-lover
Dangerdoll
jpappy789
ZSandmann
OgreMkV
Jensons
bkw1982

[Rbishop]

As the dawn arises, the recent happenings are all but forgotten. The Townies are reveling in their victory over the Mafia.

But as in real life, things seldom stay stable. No matter how well you maintain the status quo, simple genetics can always rear it's ugly head, or equipment failures can toss things to the wind.

And the wind is blowing softly this morning, but with purpose and in new directions. It is as if four seperate currents flow at the same time, meandering thru seperate streets, pausing at four households as unseen whirlpools, dissolving into stagnant low flow areas of the town.

18 Townies, and it appears, four MAFIA.

Down in the town square, on the statue of the bala shark, someone(s) has painted the infamous Mafia symbol on it, the Pacu with those vibrant red eyes!

Can the new Mayor and Detective rid the town of the new infestation?

Will the Doctor come to the aid of the right people? Will the Vigilante provide aid to the town or side with the Mafia?

Or will random circumstance shift the climate into nothing more than Old Tank Syndrome?

Game ON....

[OgreMkV]

I need a life... or at least a baby that sleeps through the night.

OK, guys... remember post, post, post. However, let's keep it on topic and civil... please. Accuse, but not insult.

New guys, don't be afraid to accuse.. as long as you have some decent reasoning for it. We have to keep everyone informed of what we're thinking and why.

We won the last one, let's do it again!

[Coler]

I'm an innocent.

If you lynch me, you will find that I'm an innocent.

If the mafia murders me it is because I am an innocent.

If the vigilante murders me it is because they are mafia or wrong, because I am an innocent.

There...now go vote for someone else.

If I don't post 20 times a day, its because I have nothing to say or because I am working...I am still an innocent.

Glad to have this cleared up at the start of the game :)

I'm considering sticking in a vote for someone picked at complete random...because on day one it is very random, and you can learn a lot from the reactions...one thing causes people to come out of the woodwork and that's votes.

As I typed that I think it seems unfair to pick out anyone else...so I vote to lynch coler :)

[Coler]

that should get the ball rolling :)

[Rbishop]

game off....


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game on....

[Sploke]

Sweeeeeeet I can actually post this time around, instead of just watching them. Hey, there's only 4 of them now, this should only take what, 2 nights? And for what its worth (probably not too much at this point) I am also an innocent.

[Hooked Newbie]

Current Top 3- Ogre, Coler, Sploke. They've posted. :lipssealedsmilie:

[Coler]

lol HN go take your lynchwagon somewhere else

[Coler]

also, doesn't that put you in the top four ??

[Hooked Newbie]

also, doesn't that put you in the top four ??

Ooops... I suppose it does. lol

[IceH2O]

LOL.

I think I won't be so vocal in the beginning as it got me whacked by the mafia. Even if I figure them all out in one day I'm going to keep my mouth shut lol.

I can't promise that though. The adrenaline takes over and I find my brain takes over my hands.

[IceH2O]

Did we ever decide on a timeline, is a day still going to be 48 hours?

[Rbishop]

I am shooting for 36 hour periods the best I can. I travel to CA on Thursday so I should be around for most things, based on EST as baseline.


All times EST ...

Day 1 SUN 6 AM -- MON 6 PM
Day 2 MON 6 PM -- WED 6 AM
Day 3 WED 6 AM -- THU 6 PM
Day 4 THU 6 PM -- SAT 6 AM
Day 5 SAT 6 AM -- SUN 6 PM

[clown-lover]

Mark drives behind the Allied Van Lines van as it slowly moves its way through ACVille, winding down the tiny streets making its way to his new residence. Mark has purchased the old closed hardware store and hopes to bring some life back to this small troubled community. It seems like some of the residents have headed for greener pastures.

This is his old stomping grounds and a place that is familiar. He always liked the friendly atmosphere of the local coffee shop.. But as he drives by he sees that it is closed as it seems the previous owner GGF is no where to be seen.

Finally he arrives at number 37 Percula Lane, a smallish two bedroom bungalow set a little back from the street painted white with orange shutters and black trim. He looks satisfactorily at his new domicile thinking that this is just what he needs a new start.

As he walks up to the door he notices something strange that he didn't see when walking through with his Realtor, there is a large piece of rope tied into a hangman's noose coiled up in one of the neglected flower beds. A shiver runs up his spine as he notices some blood spattered on one of the windows. Mark starts to question what has happened to his old home town.

[clown-lover]

The 6 PM EST are going to be hard to meet for me personally simply due to work schedules. My current construction job will be near my home actually so I will try to stop at lunch and catch up and make any necessary updates to my character.. (I hope, but it really depends on what is going on with this getting a school completed)..

[Rbishop]

Just do your best and get your vote in when you can. Usually not much happens late at night except some from across the pond will post and spar with our night owls here in the states.

[judgemax]

OH my, I go to bed, wake up, and find that the original mafia has been eradicated, only to find new ones moved in! arg! whats a girl to do! Coler, you crack me up, and are you standing on your soap box so early for a reason;) Ice, I would actually like to play the game with you, lmao, maybe you should be quiet! :grinyes: Good luck, and lets have fun! yay!

[Malbri]

lol, im hoping I will be in for the whole game.
I know im going to miss day four completly due to horse camp, but hopefully I will be abel to just slide in at the end of day 5 so I dont die

[KingOfTheDeep]

wow, M5 is here already.. lets keep it fun an civil guys :)

[ZSandmann]

Sandy awakes to find his town still standing. He regrets his fuddled mind and how it led him away from HN. It seemed so obvious it just couldn't be. The breeze this morning brings new whispers of dark deals in those same deserted buildings. Why don't they tear them down? Sandy goes to the stoop and grabs the paper, time to see what the Townies can do about this new wave.

[joander123]

haha this game is really confusing me already !!??

[judgemax]

you'll catch on quick joander, lol, its a brain teaser...

[OgreMkV]

Don't go there. That's a sure sign of mafianess. ;)

[IceH2O]

^ My 1st lynch vote lol

[IceH2O]

haha I meant Jo not JM. Red Sox fans need to be put out of their misery quickly. They suffer enough during baseball season

[judgemax]

Don't go there. That's a sure sign of mafianess. ;)

are you starting already?...:grinyes:

[Malbri]

maybe he/shes not really a red sox fan and its all a trick!

[ZSandmann]

So much reading last game only to put everyone back to 5. It just isn't fair I tell ya.

[joander123]

maybe im a mafia!

[judgemax]

well in that case i will vote to lynch you first, lol

[joander123]

can i vote to lynch myself haha?

[Malbri]

maybe im a mafia!
lol, are you trying to get yourself killed?

[judgemax]

you want out already?..why?..the fun doesn't even start until the first night!

[IceH2O]

18 Townies, and it appears, four MAFIA.




Does appears mean there are more then 4 mafia?

[joander123]

no, i say we get rid of that coler guy... lol who just jumps out and is like IM INNOCENT! <<< NO YOUR NOT YOU LIAR!

[Coler]

:)

is that a vote jo ?

[joander123]

maybe, maybe not, who knows?

[joander123]

I'm an innocent.

If you lynch me, you will find that I'm an innocent.

If the mafia murders me it is because I am an innocent.

If the vigilante murders me it is because they are mafia or wrong, because I am an innocent.

There...now go vote for someone else.

If I don't post 20 times a day, its because I have nothing to say or because I am working...I am still an innocent.

Glad to have this cleared up at the start of the game :)

I'm considering sticking in a vote for someone picked at complete random...because on day one it is very random, and you can learn a lot from the reactions...one thing causes people to come out of the woodwork and that's votes.

As I typed that I think it seems unfair to pick out anyone else...so I vote to lynch coler :)


seems fishy... anyone else?

[ZSandmann]

Does appears mean there are more then 4 mafia?

I thought the same thing Ice. Can we get clarification?

[ZSandmann]

joander I'd call you equally fishy.

[ZSandmann]

I think that is all we have right now, fishiness. By the way, 11 of the 18 players have posted so far.

[Coler]

what's fishy about it ?

[Dangerdoll]

I think out of those who have posted so far, my alert goes right to Coler and Joander. Jo for being so..... wacky posting, and coler, why the claim of innocence so soon and why the conversation of Jo's vote.... I dunno.... the whole thing looks fishy.

[joander123]

im simply wacky because i dont really know whats going on yet... and i have no idea how the games played... coler just acted different than anyone else.

[ZSandmann]

It was "fishy" that you came out gunning for yourself, and pretty amusing I might add.

joander is fishy because he has already played the confused card, asked to vote for himself, and accused you.

Gotta start somewhere.

[Coler]

I know I'm innocent. Anyone who cares to and can may investigate me to their hearts content.

So I'm watching for people who jump on me.

Zsand - pretty good way to bring people out of the woodwork though no ?

[joander123]

i just dont know how the games played lol am i supposed to keep posting and protecting myself like this?

[clown-lover]

Thank god for moving vans.. Finally everything is unloaded and placed strategically around the house making Mark's girl friend life a lot easier since she gets to do the unpacking..

Mark had to head to the hardware store to get things in order. He gets on his bicycle and heads downtown.. There is a slight covering of soap on the windows blocking out the light from outside. Once inside he discovers a plethora of DIY trade items. Disconcerting to him however is the abundance of rope, fish nets, hooks, bait and other assorted gear.

Well enough of that.. Time to get things cleaned up. He is sure there is going to be a need for his wares soon enough.

[joander123]

although im not really protecting myself by posting so much am i? So you have to ask yourself, would i really be acting so sporadicly if i was indeed a mafia?


^just wanted to sound smart and use big words like coler LOL

[ZSandmann]

I know I'm innocent. Anyone who cares to and can may investigate me to their hearts content.

So I'm watching for people who jump on me.

Zsand - pretty good way to bring people out of the woodwork though no ?

Yeah, lol, 12/18 already posting is the quickest I've seen a round go.

[Malbri]

im simply wacky because i dont really know whats going on yet... and i have no idea how the games played... coler just acted different than anyone else.
lol, coler is strange, that doesnt nessicarilly mean hes mafia

[ZSandmann]

To be fair Coler is more like he was in Round 3 than Round 4 right now.

The new players have me at a loss, I have nothing to compare to, should make this round interesting.

[Dangerdoll]

lol, coler is strange, that doesnt nessicarilly mean hes mafia

hmmm.... why not.... do you know something we don't know, Mal?

[IceH2O]

To be fair Coler is more like he was in Round 3 than Round 4 right now.

The new players have me at a loss, I have nothing to compare to, should make this round interesting.

But is that a ploy? It was pointed out that he was to quiet in 4 and ended up being Mafia.

Could he be using that against us?

I'm very wary of people that claim innocence so quickly,especially players that have been playing multiple games.

[judgemax]

although im not really protecting myself by posting so much am i? So you have to ask yourself, would i really be acting so sporadicly if i was indeed a mafia?


^just wanted to sound smart and use big words like coler LOL

so you say, that coler is suspicious, then try and act like him?..are you trying to inadvertently tell us something?

[joander123]

now why would i be TRYING to act like a mafia? As i have said before, i just do not know how the game is played. It seems odd to me that coler would just come out and say that "Im and Innocent dont vote for me".... its just not what you do... but then again, when you think, why would he come out and say that if he WAS indeed a mafia, wouldnt you think he would know that he was calling attention to himself by saying that, and wouldnt he not want to call attention to himself?

Or is he possibly thinking the same thing as me, that he wants US to think that he wouldnt be calling attention to himself if he was a mafia, so he does just that, even though he IS a mafia.

[Malbri]

hmmm.... why not.... do you know something we don't know, Mal?
:grinyes: No. I was just pointing out, im strange, and although I know im going to be suspected by multiple people, im not mafia

[judgemax]

now why would i be TRYING to act like a mafia? As i have said before, i just do not know how the game is played. It seems odd to me that coler would just come out and say that "Im and Innocent dont vote for me".... its just not what you do... but then again, when you think, why would he come out and say that if he WAS indeed a mafia, wouldnt you think he would know that he was calling attention to himself by saying that, and wouldnt he not want to call attention to himself?

Or is he possibly thinking the same thing as me, that he wants US to think that he wouldnt be calling attention to himself if he was a mafia, so he does just that, even though he IS a mafia.

I vote to lynch jo, because of the last statement here..he just screwed up and claimed mafia

[joander123]

lol im a he 8).

Now, i may be wrong, but judgemax as the first one to cast a REAL vote, doesnt that make him suspicious himself?

and plus, where did i claim mafia in that post?

[mee-mee]

Hurray for game 5...Lets get it on....so now I am on the regular path, and I already see a pattern forming in the game right away....So, I will just sit here and watch very carefully....

Kim's Pastry shop is up and running again...and this time she IS not going to let anyone stay in her shed behind her shop....So, if anyone (except Mafia) wants a pastry, feel free to stop on by...got some new ones to try out...and they are delicious...and her trusted guard dog Mr. Gordita, the ever beloved chihuahua, is still with her...and DD, no more wedding dresses for you either...:)

[OgreMkV]

Geez, 6 pages already.

Remember everyone, over defensiveness is a sign of mafia, underdefensiveness is a sign of mafia, ignoring attacks is a sign of mafia, counterattacking is definitely mafia, and posting too little or too much is mafia.

I think that covers it ;)

Just remember to explain why you think a certain way. Take a look at game 4, if the mafia hadn't attacked JMax, we wouldn't have believed her (at least I wouldn't have). Also, this is the first lynching, unless the mafia screw totally up, it will almost be a random lynching.

In fact, I'm almost considering suggesting that we not lynch anyone tonight and give the detective time to work. But we don't learn anything in the process. Everyone else's thoughts?

[judgemax]

this is for JO: well, i fixed that, and i am a female, ..for those of you who didn't know, and you said so in your last small paragraph in your last statement...and in no way to I expect to be considered innocent right away, its ok, if you want to think me mafia, your supposed to, ..I am no different than i was last game, ..iam a lil weird, a lil forward, NO MAFIA THOUGH..and so I voted first, ..I am excited..woot!

[joander123]

Remember everyone, over defensiveness is a sign of mafia, underdefensiveness is a sign of mafia, ignoring attacks is a sign of mafia, counterattacking is definitely mafia, and posting too little or too much is mafia.





looks like me know? Surely i have to be a mafia??? Not...

[joander123]

ahh, i see what you are thinking judge, that was meant as is he thinking the same way as me, and he is using what i think he may be using as i stated in my above post, which is simply calling attention to oneself, while trying to make others think that he wouldnt call attention to himself if he was indeed a mafia. So therefore he must be!

[judgemax]

ahh, i see what you are thinking judge, that was meant as is he thinking the same way as me, and he is using what i think he may be using as i stated in my above post, which is simply calling attention to oneself, while trying to make others think that he wouldnt call attention to himself if he was indeed a mafia. So therefore he must be!

HUH?..ok, even double talking side stepping, bad typing me, missed that?..lmao, ..maybe you should slow down a lil?...lmao

[judgemax]

wanted to add to is this your sad attempt to cover up, the direction from the don?...;)

[mee-mee]

Sweeeeeeet I can actually post this time around, instead of just watching them. Hey, there's only 4 of them now, this should only take what, 2 nights? And for what its worth (probably not too much at this point) I am also an innocent.

All Mafia claim that right from the getgo


haha this game is really confusing me already !!??
And this is only a defense


So much reading last game only to put everyone back to 5. It just isn't fair I tell ya.
What isn't fair


maybe im a mafia!
Maybe you are


lol, are you trying to get yourself killed?
Defending??

no, i say we get rid of that coler guy... lol who just jumps out and is like IM INNOCENT! <<< NO YOUR NOT YOU LIAR!
How do you know he is or isnt..I for one dont know...


lol, coler is strange, that doesnt nessicarilly mean hes mafia
Trying to protect...

BTW...thanx JM for the qouting help...I am going to be watching and reading very carefully...I still have some suspicions about some...time will tell...:)

[Coler]

In fact, I'm almost considering suggesting that we not lynch anyone tonight and give the detective time to work. But we don't learn anything in the process. Everyone else's thoughts?

I've thought about this as well when playing (as now) as an innocent...thing is though we have to get information on day one, and votes = reactions = information...having said that, as the day goes on, there is nothing wrong with voting no one at the end of it (I know everyone says 'that only helps the mafia' but think about it; how does it help the town if you don't have a least a probably suspect in your mind to vote for, and you end up lynching a fellow innocent.)

It is very likely that a lynching on day one will be an innocent. If it's me, all I ask is that you all learn from the experience :)

Classic mafia play : day one, rely on the statistics, hide your votes around the place as long as the town have picked an innocent, day two blame one or two of the innocents for the lynching and try and get them killed. Its then only on day three that the mafia have to actually try, if that all works out for them and they would hope to be 4 townies down by then.

I tend to find that mafia, especially new mafia players, cannot resist a lynchwagon early on day one though.

Now, having said all that, my mafia meter is perked by 4 people since my first post, and we'll all continue on learning as we go during the course of the day.

We might end up with a great suspect for a lynching yet.

[joander123]

you may vote for me all you want, but you'll only find that im innocent.

[clown-lover]

I don't know.. DD seems to have come out of the gate right away pointing her finger at others when there has been very little substantive posting happening.

Also if you combine the fact that she was an innocent last game she would be a great contender to be mafia this game.

Then we have the following people who haven't even posted yet..

bkw - was always on the suspicions list of a couple
corey lover - was mafia hit right away
jensons - really didn't post a lot..
jpappy - ?? hard to read

Last game there were a couple of mafia posting right away and when you look at the above list it would make sense that at least one of these four would be mafia. Just for the fact that they are probably reading, trying to come up with a game plan and chatting off site.

[judgemax]

I agree with you coler, ..That seems to be classic mafia, ..I hadn't actually looked at that pattern until you said so, ..

ALTHOUGH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MAFIA GO ON DAY ONE! THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!

[judgemax]

you may vote for me all you want, but you'll only find that im innocent.

ha-ha, did coler loan you the soap box, lmao!

[judgemax]

I don't know.. DD seems to have come out of the gate right away pointing her finger at others when there has been very little substantive posting happening.

Also if you combine the fact that she was an innocent last game she would be a great contender to be mafia this game.only thing i want to point out is, it is all random...I got myself in trouble last game for making a comment like this, lol

Then we have the following people who haven't even posted yet..

bkw - was always on the suspicions list of a couple
corey lover - was mafia hit right away
jensons - really didn't post a lot..
jpappy - ?? hard to read

Last game there were a couple of mafia posting right away and when you look at the above list it would make sense that at least one of these four would be mafia. Just for the fact that they are probably reading, trying to come up with a game plan and chatting off site.:)

[clown-lover]

yea.. but we have to get the ball rolling some how..

Which also brings up a great point Judge.. You were innocent last game, you'd make a great DON...

[Coler]

oh the ball it is rolling alright :)

[KingOfTheDeep]

i say we lynch jo the first night, simply because he's a sox fan..i don't know about a yankee fan and a sox fan posting in the same thread...could get ugly

lol

its still a bit early for me to be suspicious about anyone..i think colers first post was just to clarify things because of what happened last game..but who knows..

[clown-lover]

Edit..

I forgot to add...

:grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes:

[mee-mee]

yea.. but we have to get the ball rolling some how..

Which also brings up a great point Judge.. You were innocent last game, you'd make a great DON...

That does sound possible...she did play a great Innocent...whose to say she is or isn't the Don.....:) :lipssealedsmilie:

[Hooked Newbie]

im simply wacky because i dont really know whats going on yet... and i have no idea how the games played... coler just acted different than anyone else.

Read through the other games... you are appearing a bit "fishy". IMO

[clown-lover]

its still a bit early for me to be suspicious about anyone..i think colers first post was just to clarify things because of what happened last game..but who knows..

I would have to agree with that statement to a certain extent. He definitely is a different animal in this game so far..

[mee-mee]

I will be checking back in later..Have to go to a babyshower....till then, be safe and sound Townies...

[Cory Lover]

CL enters the game after his embarrasing fall last time.

I'm a senior player....just like Mg is a senior guy:silly: And JM...your really smart....you were right last game lol....and I said you were telling the truth and I was right! See..I didn't lie lol!

Ok, game face on now.

Ok...I'm really suspicious of joander....just seeming a little whacko. I know he is a newbie but still.....

CL

[Hooked Newbie]

To be fair Coler is more like he was in Round 3 than Round 4 right now.

The new players have me at a loss, I have nothing to compare to, should make this round interesting.

Watch the Newbies! BTW- I picked up some frosting for you for that mousepad. ;)

[judgemax]

yea.. but we have to get the ball rolling some how..

Which also brings up a great point Judge.. You were innocent last game, you'd make a great DON...


That does sound possible...she did play a great Innocent...whose to say she is or isn't the Don.....:) :lipssealedsmilie:

LMAO..I would make a great don, lol, however, its not going to happen in this game.not sure if i could pull it off, lmao, i almost got myself killed as an innocent, couldn't imagine having to be mafia..

[KingOfTheDeep]

CL enters the game after his embarrasing fall last time.

I'm a senior player....just like Mg is a senior guy:silly: And JM...your really smart....you were right last game lol....and I said you were telling the truth and I was right! See..I didn't lie lol!

Ok, game face on now.

Ok...I'm really suspicious of joander....just seeming a little whacko. I know he is a newbie but still.....

CL

being wacko is not a sign of being mafia..its a sign of being a red sox fan..LOL

but yeah..i just re-read the whole thread so far and it seems like he's being a bit erratic with his posts...he's either a REALLY confused innocent..or mafia..im not quite sure which one i want to believe yet..

[Hooked Newbie]

Or is he possibly thinking the same thing as me, that he wants US to think that he wouldnt be calling attention to himself if he was a mafia, so he does just that, even though he IS a mafia.

This seems a very odd statement. I'm not going to vote on it yet, but VERY suspicious!

[IceH2O]

I don't know.. DD seems to have come out of the gate right away pointing her finger at others when there has been very little substantive posting happening.

Also if you combine the fact that she was an innocent last game she would be a great contender to be mafia this game.

Then we have the following people who haven't even posted yet..

bkw - was always on the suspicions list of a couple
corey lover - was mafia hit right away
jensons - really didn't post a lot..
jpappy - ?? hard to read

Last game there were a couple of mafia posting right away and when you look at the above list it would make sense that at least one of these four would be mafia. Just for the fact that they are probably reading, trying to come up with a game plan and chatting off site.

Nice observation but the roles are determined by a generator that Rb uses to pick our places in the game. He wouldn't say well he/she was innocent last game so I'll make them mafia this game. There are 22 of us and last game was like 25 of us. It wouldn't be possible to say one deserves the role over the other.


I've thought about this as well when playing (as now) as an innocent...thing is though we have to get information on day one, and votes = reactions = information...having said that, as the day goes on, there is nothing wrong with voting no one at the end of it (I know everyone says 'that only helps the mafia' but think about it; how does it help the town if you don't have a least a probably suspect in your mind to vote for, and you end up lynching a fellow innocent.)

It is very likely that a lynching on day one will be an innocent. If it's me, all I ask is that you all learn from the experience :)

Classic mafia play : day one, rely on the statistics, hide your votes around the place as long as the town have picked an innocent, day two blame one or two of the innocents for the lynching and try and get them killed. Its then only on day three that the mafia have to actually try, if that all works out for them and they would hope to be 4 townies down by then.

I tend to find that mafia, especially new mafia players, cannot resist a lynchwagon early on day one though.

Now, having said all that, my mafia meter is perked by 4 people since my first post, and we'll all continue on learning as we go during the course of the day.

We might end up with a great suspect for a lynching yet.

My thoughts exactly Coler. Except....throwing out an obvious plan like that will make the mafia change their plan or is the mafia throwing that plan out there to make us think they are changing their plan and will run with the plan stated? hmmm


now why would i be TRYING to act like a mafia? As i have said before, i just do not know how the game is played. It seems odd to me that coler would just come out and say that "Im and Innocent dont vote for me".... its just not what you do... but then again, when you think, why would he come out and say that if he WAS indeed a mafia, wouldnt you think he would know that he was calling attention to himself by saying that, and wouldnt he not want to call attention to himself?

Or is he possibly thinking the same thing as me, that he wants US to think that he wouldnt be calling attention to himself if he was a mafia, so he does just that, even though he IS a mafia.


I have to agree with JM that this post looks like a classic newbie Mafia slipup. Anyone remember CL?

[judgemax]

This seems a very odd statement. I'm not going to vote on it yet, but VERY suspicious!

I think it was a slip, i think he told on himself, if not, hes as bad at being innocent, as cl was being mafia!, lmao

[clown-lover]

LMAO..I would make a great don, lol, however, its not going to happen in this game.not sure if i could pull it off, lmao, i almost got myself killed as an innocent, couldn't imagine having to be mafia..

So come clean.. In that last game.. PM stood for Protect Me right? :)

[judgemax]

great minds think alike, lmao..you were posting at the same time as me ice, ..now i dont look smart, just like a copy cat, ha-ha

[judgemax]

So come clean.. In that last game.. PM stood for Protect Me right? :)

seriously, i had bolded some letters, and then went to remove them, was in a hurry, and screwed up, nothing more, lol..wish it was, ..:)

[Coler]

My thoughts exactly Coler. Except....throwing out an obvious plan like that will make the mafia change their plan or is the mafia throwing that plan out there to make us think they are changing their plan and will run with the plan stated? hmmm

except...there's are very few genuine alternatives for the mafia when you consider that that 'plan' is simply 1. allow an innocent to be lynched 2. use this to get another one lynched.

[clown-lover]

seriously, i had bolded some letters, and then went to remove them, was in a hurry, and screwed up, nothing more, lol..wish it was, ..:)

Darn.. I thought I had it figured out.. LMAO

[IceH2O]

If anyone is in the mood for a top 3 this early here is who I think needs watching:

Joander : obvious slip up?

Clown- Lover : Already trying to point out mafia power roles?

Coler : always has me worried lol, just going to watch because he is who he is, has me a bit worried about his posting behavior



Of course its only a few hours into the 1st day and anything can change.

[Hooked Newbie]

LMAO..I would make a great don, lol, however, its not going to happen in this game.not sure if i could pull it off, lmao, i almost got myself killed as an innocent, couldn't imagine having to be mafia..

Just a curiousity... you seem to be posting MUCH more and MUCH earlier than last game Max.

[clown-lover]

except...there's are very few genuine alternatives for the mafia when you consider that that 'plan' is simply 1. allow an innocent to be lynched 2. use this to get another one lynched.

Very good point. But lets remember on this game we have the whole “Botched Murder” coming into play. So they might have to change their strategy somewhat as they can't even count on having a hit.

[judgemax]

Just a curiousity... you seem to be posting MUCH more and MUCH earlier than last game Max.

lol, i posted alot in the last game, but was out of town and getting home the first few days, ..lol, wish it was more than that, lol, just read back, you'll see, ..and, lol..I was new to playing on ab last game, ..jeez, lol, cut me some slack..lmao!

[Coler]

Very good point. But lets remember on this game we have the whole “Botched Murder” coming into play. So they might have to change their strategy somewhat as they can't even count on having a hit.

disagree...they still want to have an innocent up for lynching.

seriously, its not so much a strategy as it is just how to play the game.

the real strategy is how they interact (and vote) in the thread with innocents and with each other.

[clown-lover]

If anyone is in the mood for a top 3 this early here is who I think needs watching:

Joander : obvious slip up?

Clown- Lover : Already trying to point out mafia power roles?

Coler : always has me worried lol, just going to watch because he is who he is, has me a bit worried about his posting behavior

Of course its only a few hours into the 1st day and anything can change.

Man at this point I don't even have close to a "top three".. All I can say for sure is that it is everyone but me.

[joander123]

Read through the other games... you are appearing a bit "fishy". IMO


thats news to me, i dont remember ever reading through the other games, only took a quick glance once.

[judgemax]

you should definatly grab a drink , and a snack, and read atleast one other game, lol..would probably help you alot
;)

[joander123]

you will do as you wish, and believe.. but if you vote me you will only find out to your own dismay im nothing but a silly, confused innocent.

[clown-lover]

Nice observation but the roles are determined by a generator that Rb uses to pick our places in the game. He wouldn't say well he/she was innocent last game so I'll make them mafia this game. There are 22 of us and last game was like 25 of us. It wouldn't be possible to say one deserves the role over the other.

Where do you get 22?? I just went and counted my list. There are 18 total with four of the players being Mafia.

Are there four names that weren't posted? If that is so.. I know where my list is....

[IceH2O]

Man at this point I don't even have close to a "top three".. All I can say for sure is that it is everyone but me.

Its not really a top 3 because as I said its early and can change. Its more of a I'm watching.

Even this early though its a good idea to put up even a partial list. The more info out there the easier it is to pick up on mafia moves.

Knowing why you suspect someone helps others see why they should also take a better look. Hopefully if the person is an innocent something someone notices will help pull them from the list.

We can't just be looking for mafia, there are only 4 we need to also be able to clear innocents from the list.

[IceH2O]

Where do you get 22?? I just went and counted my list. There are 18 total with four of the players being Mafia.

Are there four names that weren't posted? If that is so.. I know where my list is....

My bad I read it wrong. I didn't even count the names. I assumed 18 + 4.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Coler]

We have yet to hear from Jensons, jpappy, Johnlarsson & bkw

My people to watch (slightly perking my mafia meter) in no particular order are :

joander

Sploke

Dangerdoll

Judge

[clown-lover]

[quote=IceH2O;987269]Its not really a top 3 because as I said its early and can change. Its more of a I'm watching.
[quote]

If thats the case then...

1. DangerDoll - simply due to the finger pointing right away with nothing to base it on.

2. JoAnder - While he is a newbie like myself, but the proposed slip up does indeed need further investigation.

3. Ice - Sorry but you were the detective last game so it would be concevable that you would be mafia this game.

4. Corey Lover - due to his lack of posting.

5. Judge - She was a great innocent last game, and as stated would make a great mafia this game.

But as you said everyone needs watching..

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Mark starts to get into cleaning out the hardware store. There is dirt everywhere, rodent droppings.. (Guess I'm gonna have to call the exterminator..) As he goes through the store he finds several old ACVille Rag issues. They prove to be an interesting read..

[Hooked Newbie]

thats news to me, i dont remember ever reading through the other games, only took a quick glance once.

lol. I was suggesting that you read through the other games, not that you already had.

[judgemax]

OK, you can all watch me, however, i will be leaving to take the brats to the park, ..Coler, are you throwing suspicion my way, cause I found your friend jo?..lol, you should get your soap box back, hes not using it very well;)

[Coler]

judge, in all fairness, you are a very very minor element of a very tentative list.

secondly, you found nobody yet. Joander has pretty much put himself out there as a good suspect (I know, you're voting for him).

thirdly, I notice you on clown lovers list, and I believe Ice as well.

I'm lucky enough to know I'm innocent and can play freely for that reason - as far as I'm concerned anybody gunning for me will definitly further perk my mafia meter.

[Coler]

I tell a lie - you arn't on ice's list.

[IceH2O]

[quote=IceH2O;987269]Its not really a top 3 because as I said its early and can change. Its more of a I'm watching.
[quote]

If thats the case then...

1. DangerDoll - simply due to the finger pointing right away with nothing to base it on.

2. JoAnder - While he is a newbie like myself, but the proposed slip up does indeed need further investigation.

3. Ice - Sorry but you were the detective last game so it would be concevable that you would be mafia this game.

4. Corey Lover - due to his lack of posting.

5. Judge - She was a great innocent last game, and as stated would make a great mafia this game.

But as you said everyone needs watching..

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Mark starts to get into cleaning out the hardware store. There is dirt everywhere, rodent droppings.. (Guess I'm gonna have to call the exterminator..) As he goes through the store he finds several old ACVille Rag issues. They prove to be an interesting read..


I don't understand the reasoning that a player was something last game so obviously its possible he'd be opposite this game. The game roles are random.

Using that logic most of us are mafia lol.

But this is why its good to put names out. That way we can weed out the innocents from the mafias.

[clown-lover]

[quote=Coler;987302]thirdly, I notice you on clown lovers list, and I believe Ice as well.
quote]

And to be fair it is a watch and learn list.. While the judge is playing, she is playing somewhat differently this round. I don't know if that is because of lessons learned or what exactly yet. But she is also at the bottom.

[clown-lover]

I don't understand the reasoning that a player was something last game so obviously its possible he'd be opposite this game. The game roles are random.



Simple.. I used to DM AD&D back in the day.. You mixed the game up to make it interesting. While a random generator is being used, how fun would it be if people always ended up mafia or innocents. You have to throw some diversity into the game.

If someone ended up mafia one game, as a DM I might "fudge" the number so to speak, or reroll until I got an outcome that I wanted in order to make the game more interesting for everyone.

[Coler]

It really helps if people would post their lists out there...in fact, if you go back to game 4, you'll see that the people posting lists, trying to analyse etc. are 99% innocent...I'd get suspicious at a certain point (not now, too early) of people who had not contributed to the investigative work.

[Hooked Newbie]

Simple.. I used to DM AD&D back in the day.. You mixed the game up to make it interesting. While a random generator is being used, how fun would it be if people always ended up mafia or innocents. You have to throw some diversity into the game.

If someone ended up mafia one game, as a DM I might "fudge" the number so to speak, or reroll until I got an outcome that I wanted in order to make the game more interesting for everyone.

I'm starting to suspect Clown for questioning the integrity of our fearless leader Bob. Plus, his initials are also CL. lol

[jpappy789]

O jeeeez! Here we go...jo, you really need to read game 4 and see how cl's nonsense posting got'em in trouble. I can't tell if you are just really confused or a slipped-up mafia because you're a newb. I think it's pretty obvious that the vets need to be watched because they always have a few tricks up their sleeves.

[OgreMkV]

Knowing why you suspect someone helps others see why they should also take a better look. Hopefully if the person is an innocent something someone notices will help pull them from the list.

We can't just be looking for mafia, there are only 4 we need to also be able to clear innocents from the list.

This is a good plan. Don't just look at who you think are mafia, look at everyone and try to determine a group of people you trust.



If someone ended up mafia one game, as a DM I might "fudge" the number so to speak, or reroll until I got an outcome that I wanted in order to make the game more interesting for everyone.

Heh, I used to role-play too and I've been doing this for a while. I've seen people never be mafia. There are 18 players, that's less than a 1 in 4 chance of being mafia and about a 1 in 3 chance of being any role. Go with the odds here. If we think rb fudged the numbers... I wouldn't want to play.

[joander123]

well, when you think about it... everything somebody says has potential of being turned agaisnt them, and making them seem like a mafia. For instance, we all know what i have said through-out this thread, and i am on many peoples "watch" list now. But there are other people who have made themselves suspects as well. Even by not saying anything, at all you can be made a suspect, because it would seem through your lack of posts or interest, you are hiding something.

I believe i could make a valid point, for everyone who has posted or not posted to be a mafia. So how do we know, and how do we vote?

Id like to see what other people think at this point, because it seems pretty much random to me, at least up to this point or until we learn more.

Judging peoples reactions through typing chat, is a very hard thing to do.... you cant detect changes in there emotions, or voice/stress patterns. I think some body needs to be lynched, and then maybe, just maybe we can learn a few new things.

[OgreMkV]

I've said, in every game, that the first lynching is effectively random. Yes, it's random, but that doesn't mean we can't see who is voting where, when, and how.

This thread is going to be so long, I'll probably have to use only vote patterns and notes I make along the way. I'm NOT going to reread 100 pages of posts.

Remember that I have a workshop next week (starting a week from Monday) and participation will be spotty at best during that time.

Now on a game note, my watch list,

Zsandmann - he's too good a player to not watch, but his posts so far are exactly like game 4

JohnLarson - just because I have to give him heck every game for outing me in game 3.

Coler - cause he was part of the team that outed me in 3

Newbies - because we have no references for you guys. Sorry.

[clown-lover]

Heh, I used to role-play too and I've been doing this for a while. I've seen people never be mafia. There are 18 players, that's less than a 1 in 4 chance of being mafia and about a 1 in 3 chance of being any role. Go with the odds here. If we think rb fudged the numbers... I wouldn't want to play.

I agree.. Never said Bob did, I said I did... I was giving a justification as to why I am thinking that someone from the previous game has a higher chance in my book of being mafia this game.

All we can do when we play this is base it off of our personal intuition and whatever we can glean out of a forum posting. So this is why I choose to make my list as it is until proof otherwise.

[OgreMkV]

BTW: I just reread the rules on page 1. I was under the impression that the lynch and the mafia hit both had a 50% chance of going wrong, but instead... ONE of them will go wrong. 50/50 each one.

So our information choices may be limited today after all. Weird.

[jpappy789]

First night is always weird voting. Just look at last game...

[joander123]

so lets vote for somebody random!

[OgreMkV]

I will... later ;)

[Coler]

I'm an innocent.

If you lynch me, you will find that I'm an innocent.

If the mafia murders me it is because I am an innocent.

If the vigilante murders me it is because they are mafia or wrong, because I am an innocent.

There...now go vote for someone else.

If I don't post 20 times a day, its because I have nothing to say or because I am working...I am still an innocent.

Glad to have this cleared up at the start of the game :)

I'm considering sticking in a vote for someone picked at complete random...because on day one it is very random, and you can learn a lot from the reactions...one thing causes people to come out of the woodwork and that's votes.

As I typed that I think it seems unfair to pick out anyone else...so I vote to lynch coler :)

already did :D

[jpappy789]

Would it be effective to have a limit to how many posts per person each "day?" I mean look at last game. So many posts were either completely unrelated to the game, people going on huge rants about nothing (*cough* neon julie *cough*), and then people taking things waaay to personally. It might take away from the game. Less to analyze but still we already have 13 pages! People don't want to read all that! Simple lists of suspicions and why is sufficent and then when the time comes a post about who you want to vote for. I don't know it's just an idea...

[Sploke]

Ok, time for some analysis. But holy paranoia, batman.

First off, I agree that Jo's posting patterns are erratic and nonsensical at best. However, I was at least partially responsible in getting him to sign up, and it was kind of a "hey its fun, try it out and you'll figure it out along the way" kind of thing. Now, I realize that if it seems like I'm protecting him now and hes mafia, then I'm digging myself a hole, but I just wanted to throw it out there as a line of thought.

JM's posting patterns seem relatively different form how she started the game last time, but it may be a schedule thing like she said. Although, there were several times I noticed she would state that she would be gone/busy/inactive for periods yet keep posting throughout those times if attacked. I don't know if that means anything right now.

On one hand I want to vote just to prove that I'm as willing to take a wild guess as anyone else. However, if I vote for an innocent, will I look like mafia? If I wait and vote after everyone else, will I look like mafia trying to blend in? If I jump on a train with everyone else, does that make me look guilty? I'm not going to cast a vote right now just for the sake of having a vote out there. I want to read some more posts before even thinking about making a decision. Its about time for water changes..right after some character development :D

[IceH2O]

Would it be effective to have a limit to how many posts per person each "day?" I mean look at last game. So many posts were either completely unrelated to the game, people going on huge rants about nothing (*cough* neon julie *cough*), and then people taking things waaay to personally. It might take away from the game. Less to analyze but still we already have 13 pages! People don't want to read all that! Simple lists of suspicions and why is sufficent and then when the time comes a post about who you want to vote for. I don't know it's just an idea...

You're kidding right? The only way to figure out 1 group from another is from posts. If all posting was done away with we wouldn't get slip ups like the one from Joander.

I could see the mafia wanting less posts since they know who is who but an innocent wanting that would be suicide.

Anyone that has followed the games knows it involves lots of reading.

[Sploke]

At dusk in ACville, the sun is still hot from the day, and dust blows on the wind through the quiet town. In the distance, a long shadow approaches the town square; a new face. A black horse, dusty and sweaty, slowly carries its rider, who appears practically asleep from the day's ride but is ever wary of his surroundings. Two things are immediately evident about this newcomer, to the neighbors who peer through their blinds: His slow, deliberate motions that indicate many day spent in saddle, and the .45 strapped to the cowboy's belt. He walks his horse to the front grass of a newly purchased house, drops the reins to let him graze for a bit, and wearily lays down under the shade of a tree and drops off to sleep, thinking about the many eyes watching him from behind shrouded windows.

[joander123]

lol im still confused as to what this "joander slip up is". How can i slip up if im not the mafia? ROFL

[FireDancer7905]

G'afternoon all! I spent the morning watching my sister's softball team get there little tushes kicked! It was sad :( . This is already an interesting game. I think Coler came out like he did to make a splash and get people talking. 13 pages in, he is playing, imo, much like he has in every other game. JO, dude, what are you doing?! If you are mafia, your buddies need to take you out, just to protect themselves!! If you are not mafia, I don't know what to do with you. By repeatedly playing the "I'm confused" card, you spike many people's mafia-meter. This wll be an intersting 1st night! I think I will hold off voting until tomorrow. ~brandy

[OgreMkV]

O
On one hand I want to vote just to prove that I'm as willing to take a wild guess as anyone else. However, if I vote for an innocent, will I look like mafia? If I wait and vote after everyone else, will I look like mafia trying to blend in? If I jump on a train with everyone else, does that make me look guilty?

Yes to all ;)

Please tell me you're just role=playing with the .45 thing and not the real vigilante.

BTW: I think it should be obvious to everyone... if you're a special character DO NOT say anything about it.

[joander123]

JO, dude, what are you doing?! If you are mafia, your buddies need to take you out, just to protect themselves!! If you are not mafia, I don't know what to do with you. By repeatedly playing the "I'm confused" card, you spike many people's mafia-meter. . ~brandy


i have no idea what im doing, lol as I've said before.... i had no idea this game was so serious with all strategies and such lol, but sploke basically explained how i got involved. 8)

-Jay

[FireDancer7905]

now why would i be TRYING to act like a mafia? As i have said before, i just do not know how the game is played. It seems odd to me that coler would just come out and say that "Im and Innocent dont vote for me".... its just not what you do... but then again, when you think, why would he come out and say that if he WAS indeed a mafia, wouldnt you think he would know that he was calling attention to himself by saying that, and wouldnt he not want to call attention to himself?

Or is he possibly thinking the same thing as me, that he wants US to think that he wouldnt be calling attention to himself if he was a mafia, so he does just that, even though he IS a mafia.

This is the post that made me stop and think, "Wow! This guy either really slipped up and called out another mafia member, or he really needs to think a bit more carefully before he posts. You are trying to be logical, and talk out your thoughts for us on the board, but the way that you are doing that is feeling suspicious to many of us who have played the game before. There are 4 other games to go back and read through. There is very little excuse for the "I'm new, I'm confused" postings. We really can't tell who is/is not mafia right now. That's all. ~brandy

[joander123]

lol, i just cant explain the way i think so good 8)

[Cory Lover]

Hi,

Well, heres my list of my three top suspects:

joander- either a very dumb mafia slip up (like me in the fourth game lol) or just a newb mistake.

sploke-I don't know....just seems...I don't know lol But something seems fishy....

IceH20- Meany in game four to poor little CL (my Cories are gonna get you)! Other wise very involved in the game!:grinyes:

CL

[IceH2O]

Heres advice especially for the new players.

After you type your post reread it. If it sounds to you like you might be portraying a mafia vibe then we're going to think you are.

Always proofread what you type. Its no fun lynching an innocent because they posted something that makes them sound guilty.

But be wary of the new guys also. They may use that to their advantage. I can't stress enough that roles are random and just because they are new to the game doesn't mean they aren't mafia. Only way we will know unfortunately is by lynching them. But hopefully that helps others to quickly pick up on the non vibe type posting we need to keep us all safe.

[jpappy789]

You're kidding right? The only way to figure out 1 group from another is from posts. If all posting was done away with we wouldn't get slip ups like the one from Joander.

I could see the mafia wanting less posts since they know who is who but an innocent wanting that would be suicide.

Anyone that has followed the games knows it involves lots of reading.

Haha, wow did I post that?! Dumb idea:wall:

[IceH2O]

Hi,

Well, heres my list of my three top suspects:

joander- either a very dumb mafia slip up (like me in the fourth game lol) or just a newb mistake.

sploke-I don't know....just seems...I don't know lol But something seems fishy....

IceH20- Meany in game four to poor little CL (my Cories are gonna get you)! Other wise very involved in the game!:grinyes:

CL

Involved is the only way to be, you can't call people out if you're quiet. I'm no more involved in this game then I was in game 3. Only reason I was quiet in 4 was because I got knocked out 1st night lol. I wasn't quiet then either to that point.

Lets see how CL decides to play this game? Not screaming innocent yet huh?

Did you learn from the last game?

If I wanted to use Clowns logic it would make sense you are mafia since you got outed so quickly last game and didn't get a real chance to play the role. But that logic is very flawed as I have already explained.

[Rbishop]

16 of 18 Townies have posted.

Votes to Lynch.....

Coler by Coler (4)

joan by judge (59)


2 of 18 have voted.

[clown-lover]

If I wanted to use Clowns logic it would make sense you are mafia since you got outed so quickly last game and didn't get a real chance to play the role. But that logic is very flawed as I have already explained.

Its not flawed.. Its just different from your own...:silly:

[jpappy789]

I really suspicious of joander. The "I'm new" thing is just as bad as the "I'm innocent" gag. If you are new then definitely follow Ice's advice. I got called out on a lot of things last game and I was new, but jo you took things farther than that...I'm tempted to vote for you. I see you as someone who is too "excited"

[jpappy789]

Wait did colers vote really count!? I guess he did type in bold

[joander123]

my idea is still coler, why would he vote for himself, he has to know that voting for himself gives him a disadvantage, and he probably thinks when others see that, they wont vote for him as well.

I Vote Coler


!!!!!!!!

[jpappy789]

I think it was a joke. That can't seriously be your reason to vote for him.

[joander123]

lol, i already stated why i didnt like him, (not personally just in the game). Look into my first few post, i dont like the way he jumped out to announce his innocence. Plus voting for himself, just compounds that.... even if these arent GREAT reasons, as everyone says... its random at first.

[judgemax]

well, when you think about it... everything somebody says has potential of being turned agaisnt them, and making them seem like a mafia. For instance, we all know what i have said through-out this thread, and i am on many peoples "watch" list now. But there are other people who have made themselves suspects as well. Even by not saying anything, at all you can be made a suspect, because it would seem through your lack of posts or interest, you are hiding something.

I believe i could make a valid point, for everyone who has posted or not posted to be a mafia. So how do we know, and how do we vote?

Id like to see what other people think at this point, because it seems pretty much random to me, at least up to this point or until we learn more.

Judging peoples reactions through typing chat, is a very hard thing to do.... you cant detect changes in there emotions, or voice/stress patterns. I think some body needs to be lynched, and then maybe, just maybe we can learn a few new things. Thats the point, lol, have you been reading?..


Would it be effective to have a limit to how many posts per person each "day?" I mean look at last game. So many posts were either completely unrelated to the game, people going on huge rants about nothing (*cough* neon julie *cough*), and then people taking things waaay to personally. It might take away from the game. Less to analyze but still we already have 13 pages! People don't want to read all that! Simple lists of suspicions and why is sufficent and then when the time comes a post about who you want to vote for. I don't know it's just an idea...huh?...


Ok, time for some analysis. But holy paranoia, batman.

First off, I agree that Jo's posting patterns are erratic and nonsensical at best. However, I was at least partially responsible in getting him to sign up, and it was kind of a "hey its fun, try it out and you'll figure it out along the way" kind of thing. Now, I realize that if it seems like I'm protecting him now and hes mafia, then I'm digging myself a hole, but I just wanted to throw it out there as a line of thought.

JM's posting patterns seem relatively different form how she started the game last time, but it may be a schedule thing like she said. Although, there were several times I noticed she would state that she would be gone/busy/inactive for periods yet keep posting throughout those times if attacked. I don't know if that means anything right now.yes, my posting pattern now, is more like my game play middle game, which most of you who have met me through out the years on these forums, will attest, I am a lil goofy, lol..Its me, i do it well, I will be in and out this game as well.

On one hand I want to vote just to prove that I'm as willing to take a wild guess as anyone else. However, if I vote for an innocent, will I look like mafia? If I wait and vote after everyone else, will I look like mafia trying to blend in? If I jump on a train with everyone else, does that make me look guilty? I'm not going to cast a vote right now just for the sake of having a vote out there. I want to read some more posts before even thinking about making a decision. Its about time for water changes..right after some character development :D

I see no need to get serious here folks, at least not yet, I have jokingly called a few people out, in truth, I am suspicious of just jo, and thats about it, we all know, that coler, and KOTD, OGRE AND JL , ICE, they all scare me, they are all great, and influential players, lol..I doubt any of them are going to be giving anything away (esp so early) ..my votes are always subject to change, and I will not repeatedly scream I am innocent through out the game, its a waste of my time and yours, =i will say it here, and now, I am innocent, and for those that choose to believe ,great, lets get them, and for those that don't well, Thats your problem..Cause I don't know what to tell ya..:)

[judgemax]

I just want to add, that jo, must have went to cory's school for beginner mafia..lmao...:eek3:

[joander123]

it might work like that, if i was a mafia.....

[jpappy789]

I agree judge! I am anxious to see your list for this game! I hope it will cause some controversy like last game.

[judgemax]

are you telling me to jump head first in front of a moving bus this game?..lmao..I will try and keep things interesting from my pov, however, I would hope that rb would have shared the(magic) information, to make the mafia a little more challenging at this point...lol, it was fun to try and defend what I believed wholeheartedly to be the truth, esp, without giving up how,. This is also why, i like the idea of the pms from RB, about mystery statements, .. def be fun, ..to try and make up reasons..!

[jpappy789]

I really want to know how you did it. Although its hard to trust what people say this game, like you said, with the whole random post thing.

My top 3
1. Joander123-the CL of Mafia 5
2. Coler- mostly beacuse of weird post at the beginning
3. Nobody

[clown-lover]

i like the idea of the pms from RB, about mystery statements, .. def be fun, ..to try and make up reasons..!

Man I had completely forgotten about that...

[judgemax]

I will have to admit, thats the first thing that caught my attention, ..lol, you can't tell what hes going to make anyone say..can't wait at the end of the game to find out whats "true" and what he has made some one say!

I CAN NOT GET OVER HOW FAST THIS HAS STARTED, GOOD SIGN!

[Coler]

Some analysis :

Sploke :


Sweeeeeeet I can actually post this time around, instead of just watching them. Hey, there's only 4 of them now, this should only take what, 2 nights? And for what its worth (probably not too much at this point) I am also an innocent.

Something didn't ring true for me here but that's just high paranoia up to a point


Ok, time for some analysis. But holy paranoia, batman.

First off, I agree that Jo's posting patterns are erratic and nonsensical at best. However, I was at least partially responsible in getting him to sign up, and it was kind of a "hey its fun, try it out and you'll figure it out along the way" kind of thing. Now, I realize that if it seems like I'm protecting him now and hes mafia, then I'm digging myself a hole, but I just wanted to throw it out there as a line of thought.

JM's posting patterns seem relatively different form how she started the game last time, but it may be a schedule thing like she said. Although, there were several times I noticed she would state that she would be gone/busy/inactive for periods yet keep posting throughout those times if attacked. I don't know if that means anything right now.

On one hand I want to vote just to prove that I'm as willing to take a wild guess as anyone else. However, if I vote for an innocent, will I look like mafia? If I wait and vote after everyone else, will I look like mafia trying to blend in? If I jump on a train with everyone else, does that make me look guilty? I'm not going to cast a vote right now just for the sake of having a vote out there. I want to read some more posts before even thinking about making a decision. Its about time for water changes..right after some character development :D

Defence of Joanders, attack on judgemax, no suggestion of a vote


At dusk in ACville, the sun is still hot from the day, and dust blows on the wind through the quiet town. In the distance, a long shadow approaches the town square; a new face. A black horse, dusty and sweaty, slowly carries its rider, who appears practically asleep from the day's ride but is ever wary of his surroundings. Two things are immediately evident about this newcomer, to the neighbors who peer through their blinds: His slow, deliberate motions that indicate many day spent in saddle, and the .45 strapped to the cowboy's belt. He walks his horse to the front grass of a newly purchased house, drops the reins to let him graze for a bit, and wearily lays down under the shade of a tree and drops off to sleep, thinking about the many eyes watching him from behind shrouded windows.

Now the role playing

Conclusion : inconsistent

Joander :


haha this game is really confusing me already !!??

Classic newbie mafia player type of quote, as is this one :


maybe im a mafia!

as is this one (yes you can btw I did, as a way of seeing who would jump on it)


can i vote to lynch myself haha?

which you did (jump on it)


no, i say we get rid of that coler guy... lol who just jumps out and is like IM INNOCENT! <<< NO YOUR NOT YOU LIAR!

and again here (quoting my first post you said, hanging it out there) :


seems fishy... anyone else?

Then you also have a little tickle at judge, who has also voted for you


lol im a he 8).

Now, i may be wrong, but judgemax as the first one to cast a REAL vote, doesnt that make him suspicious himself?

and plus, where did i claim mafia in that post?

Finally you vote for me


my idea is still coler, why would he vote for himself, he has to know that voting for himself gives him a disadvantage, and he probably thinks when others see that, they wont vote for him as well.

I Vote Coler


!!!!!!!!

Conclusion : either bad mafia, or just new to the game. Lot of panicky defences in there as well

Jpappy :

This post rang my mafia bell. When I was mafia I was too darn lazy to read the thread. I find townies more likely to parse the information :


Would it be effective to have a limit to how many posts per person each "day?" I mean look at last game. So many posts were either completely unrelated to the game, people going on huge rants about nothing (*cough* neon julie *cough*), and then people taking things waaay to personally. It might take away from the game. Less to analyze but still we already have 13 pages! People don't want to read all that! Simple lists of suspicions and why is sufficent and then when the time comes a post about who you want to vote for. I don't know it's just an idea...

And you ran away from it pretty quickly when that was pointed out :


Haha, wow did I post that?! Dumb idea:wall:

When joander voted for me, saying my wierd post at the start was the reason :


I think it was a joke. That can't seriously be your reason to vote for him.

And yet coler makes the list according to jpappy


I really want to know how you did it. Although its hard to trust what people say this game, like you said, with the whole random post thing.

My top 3
1. Joander123-the CL of Mafia 5
2. Coler- mostly beacuse of weird post at the beginning
3. Nobody

Conclusion : a little bit dodgy

Ice : can't detect anything suspicious beyond the usual suspicion just yet

Judgemax : playing soooo differently from last time, makes me suspicious.

Jensons : no read yet, but I think I lean towards an innocent here.

There ya go...something to talk about

[judgemax]

Ice : can't detect anything suspicious beyond the usual suspicion just yet

Judgemax : playing soooo differently from last time, makes me suspicious.

Jensons : no read yet, but I think I lean towards an innocent here.

There ya go...something to talk about

I have to ask, several of you have said i am playing different?..i don't see how?..And, they are very good observations coler, (obviously about every one but me, ..but its good to see you not standing on the soap box, ..)LOL, i might add, your throwing me for a loop, your playing more game 3, than 4...so, at least I can have less suspicion of you at this point...lol

[joander123]

coler just singles me out, because i voted for him.

Did it ever occur that maybe i am just a newbie?

[Coler]

Conclusion : either bad mafia, or just new to the game. Lot of panicky defences in there as well


Singled out in a post mentioning six players ??

[joander123]

you really only mentioned 3.... the bottom ones are junk.

[judgemax]

jo, your just digging yourself a hole!and :eek3: calling us junk...lol

[FireDancer7905]

I don't know how reliable it is to base suspicions on previous games played. One of the great things about this game is that it gives people a chance to learn and grow, in terms of creating personas and analyzing information. I think that anyone who played a role before this will have learned what worked, and what didn't for all the roles. Not changing/adapting learning, and thus, modifying gameplay would be silly. Now, I'm not saying that it is completely irrelevnat, but I truly feel that it is not the be all, end all of analysis. Just something to keep in mind. :) ~brandy

[IceH2O]

I'm going to agree with Coler on his list for the most part, top 3 look good to me and have also perked my mafia meter.

I'm not willing to take a chance on Joander just being a newbie.I think it was a major mistake on their part as it was with Cory Lover.

I vote to lynch Joander

Subject to change of course but unless someone shows something more it stands.

[joander123]

sigh... your all making a mistake...

[Coler]

little bit more, from what I can tell :

Zsandman - nothing to go on yet

DD - 2 posts :

This one, kinda fair enough :


I think out of those who have posted so far, my alert goes right to Coler and Joander. Jo for being so..... wacky posting, and coler, why the claim of innocence so soon and why the conversation of Jo's vote.... I dunno.... the whole thing looks fishy.

I'm not crazy about this post though - throwing out a hook, Malbri's comment is very innocuous...would be really bad mafia play to start defending me, when there is no real case made out :

Malbri says "coler is strange doesn't mean he's mafia" DD says :


hmmm.... why not.... do you know something we don't know, Mal?

Clownlover : lot of posts, I'm not crazy with the few suggestions that assignments of positions last game are anything to go by. But to try and persuade people of your list based on this would also be fairly bad mafia play.

Ice -posting away...nothing to go on yet...I know I made his list too - fair enough.

[Coler]

joander123...piece of advice...show us the mafia, we'll vote for them.

[judgemax]

little bit more, from what I can tell :

Zsandman - nothing to go on yet

DD - 2 posts :

This one, kinda fair enough :



I'm not crazy about this post though - throwing out a hook, Malbri's comment is very innocuous...would be really bad mafia play to start defending me, when there is no real case made out :

Malbri says "coler is strange doesn't mean he's mafia" DD says :



Clownlover : lot of posts, I'm not crazy with the few suggestions that assignments of positions last game are anything to go by. But to try and persuade people of your list based on this would also be fairly bad mafia play.very true...

Ice -posting away...nothing to go on yet...I know I made his list too - fair enough.

:grinyes:

[judgemax]

joander123...piece of advice...show us the mafia, we'll vote for them.

sorry, i had to, this is just way to funny!

[Coler]

finally, Ogre - posting a lot, saying pretty much nothing. No conclusions here yet.

[Coler]

sorry, i had to, this is just way to funny!

well, I meant, you have to do more than say "I'm an innocent I'm an innocent"

[Cory Lover]

Well....joander is still on the top of my list...followed by cl (the other one lol) and sploke.

I vote to lynch joander. He acted just like me in game #4 and I was mafia then. My vote may be changed if in the next little bit if some one starts really tingleling my mafia radar (more then jo...which would take alot lol).

CL

[judgemax]

well, I meant, you have to do more than say "I'm an innocent I'm an innocent"

I know what you meant, lmao, it just read funny, and had to point it out, ..cause i almsot spit soda on my computer, lol..



and, is that a new line in your sig?..lol

[Coler]

OK townies, if you wanted my advice on what to do next, its not to let a snowball of votes develop around joander...someone needs to come up with another good suspect, in order that we can see how the voting goes there (note my vote has remained on myself)

Point 1 - on day 1/night 1, unfortunately, statistically we are likely to vote an innocent, we should still of course try and pick out a mafia.

Point 2 - the game is won and lost on processing information, the more the better. Identifying a second suspect and having a slightly more complicated vote will draw more people out. This works because it gives more chance of actually identifying a mafia, and it gives more information which could be very useful as the game progresses.

I would advise joander to start making a case against somebody else at this stage as well.

[Sploke]

Heres advice especially for the new players.

After you type your post reread it. If it sounds to you like you might be portraying a mafia vibe then we're going to think you are.

Therein lies the problem. If you sound like mafia, people think you're mafia. If you try to not sound like mafia, people think, well he's trying not to sound like mafia so he must be mafia. Catch 22.



Some analysis :

Sploke :

Defence of Joanders, attack on judgemax, no suggestion of a vote

Now the role playing

Conclusion : inconsistent


I posted 3 times so far and they were fairly different, but its only 3 posts...hardly a proper sample group. I actually think some of the "senior players" are at somewhat of a disadvantage because you can gauge how they are playing with regard to previous games. Newbs, like myself, have no track record, so everything is going to seem suspicious until you figure out an individual's style. In other words, I wouldn't call someone inconsistent because they haven't established a style yet, only if they had a style that they began going against at some point.

[clown-lover]

Clownlover : lot of posts, I'm not crazy with the few suggestions that assignments of positions last game are anything to go by. But to try and persuade people of your list based on this would also be fairly bad mafia play.
enough.

Good observation. I'm not attempting to be something I'm not..

Secondly.. I stated this was an initial list. In fact this is exactly what I posted..

1. DangerDoll - simply due to the finger pointing right away with nothing to base it on.

2. JoAnder - While he is a newbie like myself, but the proposed slip up does indeed need further investigation.

3. Ice - Sorry but you were the detective last game so it would be concevable that you would be mafia this game.

4. Corey Lover - due to his lack of posting.

5. Judge - She was a great innocent last game, and as stated would make a great mafia this game.

But as you said everyone needs watching..

Notice that those are on the bottom of the list. The top two I have what is my reasoning for my list, which is what you all wanted posted correct? Was it not you who even requested that we post our lists? Now have I posted anything different up to this point? Have I waffled on anything up to this point?

No what I have done is watch everyone else and have been drawing my own conclusions.

You for instance are playing completely differently from last game, but that doesn't mean that you haven't learned your lesson from last game as I would say that is what singely got you pegged as mafia. But that still doesn't mean that you aren't mafia no matter what you have previously stated. As of this point everyone in this town should be on everyone's radar..

[Sploke]

3. Ice - Sorry but you were the detective last game so it would be concevable that you would be mafia this game.


I wish people would stop saying things like this...the status and special roles of each person are assigned by RANDOM NUMBER GENERATION. To state that "you were such and such last game so its possible that you're such and such this game" is completely misleading. Unless, of course, you know something we don't. Based on that, its conceivable that everyone in the game is mafia, since assignments in that game have nothing to do with this game.

[judgemax]

maybe he/shes not really a red sox fan and its all a trick!


lol, are you trying to get yourself killed?


lol, coler is strange, that doesnt nessicarilly mean hes mafia


:grinyes: No. I was just pointing out, im strange, and although I know im going to be suspected by multiple people, im not mafia

well, if you guys want other suspects at this point, I guess that malbri would be my second guess, she has constantly stuck up for everyone else..Most especially jo, and I feel strongly that jo made a newbie mistake.

I am also looking at Clown lover, ..not only is it hard to have two CL's, lol, its awfully early to act so serious IMHO..I can't help but think, one that comes on that strong, and hasn't played before, ..maybe needing ti hide something, hes either a very smart person, or very dangerous,

as always, i will be on the watch of all the ones I consider stellar players, Just like sploke said, you guys have an advantage, I tend to agree, and if any of you are mafia, You need to go quick, ...

anybody else notice that RB didn't answer the question on the appears thing?..if we are dealing with more than 4 mafia, i want to know...

[joander123]

i would show you the mafia, but i have no idea who they are... no one can tell at this point and if you think it is me, then you will vote me. But like i said... im only an innocent.

[joander123]

dangerdoll and coler seem suspicious to me.... danger doll for the early finger pointing with no reason... and again, coler for reasons i've stated above.

[clown-lover]

I am also looking at Clown lover, ..not only is it hard to have two CL's, lol, its awfully early to act so serious IMHO..I can't help but think, one that comes on that strong, and hasn't played before, ..maybe needing ti hide something, hes either a very smart person, or very dangerous,


I can respect that.. But I have a tendancy to be passionate about things. If you look at the sign up thread I was passionate there even trying to get you to sign up..

I'm not going to sit here an scream that I'm an innocent. Because that will make me look like I belong on the Dark Side. The one and only time I will say this is here.. I'm an innocent. I am however a Libra which means we peel things apart and look at everything b/4 making an ultimate decision. I am a true Libra to the core. And to give you a background on who I am outside of the game.. I used to be a business analyst before I burned out working 16 hours a day. I used to decide things like what lines of business were profitable, what lines to cut, where to expand etc by analyzing data. I reported the profit/loss of those lines of business directly to the COO and CFO. It was my analysis that decided what other call centers we would purchase and meld into our own lines of business. So if I come across a little anal, strong, those are the reasons why.

My supposition that the previous players such as yourself are mafia could be flawed, but I would suspect that only time will tell. Since Bob has only run the last game and this game I have nothing to base it on but instinct. Instinct that is rooted in litterally years of RPGing. (BTW, I was a nerd since b/4 being a nerd was popular.)

[Hooked Newbie]

Ok, here are my observations thus far. If your name isn’t listed, I either missed it or you HAVE NOT posted. I am going to vote, but I think it may change. I don't want to miss potental info because of a landslide which seems to be what is shaping up. I will finalize my vote before I turn in because I can’t log in during the workday. Nor will I proclaim my innocence, I want people to suspect me this time.


Leaning Mafia:
Danger Doll- Came out with unsubstantiated allegations really quick and then went totally silent.

Joander- More then anything else, because I think Jo “got it” all of a sudden once called out. Posts started to make sense and the defense started. Also, I believe that there were a couple of efforts to align (or throw them in front of the bus) with other folks (e.g. Coler).

Sploke- The only posts have seemed to be in defense of others or to be providing some possibly misleading info (i.e. the .45) knowing that the townies would protect the Vig.

Cory Lover- Nothing of substance posted yet. May have learned from last game and jumped on the Joander train without supporting reasoning. If Jo is lynched and Mafia, I’ll be looking even closer. I played that game…

JPappy- A bit too excited to see Judge’s list. Looking for something to follow? I also find the defnse and then subsequent vote for Coler curious.


Anyone yet to post

No real read
Coler- I think he’s experienced enough to modify his game knowing that everyone is focused on his “style”. IMO, if Joander is Mafia it makes him look bad, but that could be what they want. I’m leery of taking out someone that could help the town if innocent so early.

Ogre- Lots of helpful posts as in game 4. Could hide in plain sight though.

Zsand- Same as Ogre so far.

JMax- Posting style and frequency quite different than game 4 even if she doesn’t see it and had to go to the park. Until the now infamous list (and I do know how it was formed) last game, she was fairly subdued. Close to “leaning mafia”.


Jensons- Though I do find her pointing out the learning and growing based on having had a special role a bit odd, however true. Seems like she may want the town to remember last game a bit too much. Close to “leaning mafia”.

Clown-Lover- Points to game 4 quite often and did kind of throw Max’s name out there based solely on last game.

Ice- Playing the same as the first day last game.

Mee-mee- Nothing really, only a few posts.

KOTD- Playing up a vote for Jo a bit too much under the guise of a baseball thing for me. No other reasoning, but ready to hop the train.

Malbri- So far the only posts are to defend or align with Jo and Coler. The “I hope to be in the whole game” statement also makes me a bit wary.



Leaning Innocent

No one yet. Maybe Rb, but I’m not sure….

[judgemax]

well, i am just saying I will be watching you! lol..you seem like a smart person, and smart people are dangerous,when not a townie, ..and, when is your b-day,. mines oct 17th, ..a libra here, in case you all can't tell..lmao

[Hooked Newbie]

I vote to lynch Sploke.

[judgemax]

that last post was for clown lover!

[Coler]

Coler- I think he’s experienced enough to modify his game knowing that everyone is focused on his “style”.

yes and no...I kicked off the game in the way I did (still voting for myself btw lol) because its a Sunday (now night) here, and I won't be halfway as active until maybe tomorrow evening after I turn in. I'm an innocent and playing it with a totally straight bat.

I also think that I will be a leading candidate for the mafia hit and want to get some stuff out there in case that happens.

[clown-lover]

well, i am just saying I will be watching you! lol..you seem like a smart person, and smart people are dangerous,when not a townie, ..and, when is your b-day,. mines oct 17th, ..a libra here, in case you all can't tell..lmao

October 7th.. Uggg. #42 this year.

[OgreMkV]

SO far we have;

Name Status Day 1 Voting
bkw1982 5
clown-lover 5
Coler 4 Coler (4)
Cory Lover 5 Joander (172)
Dangerdoll 5
Hooked Newbie 5
IceH2O 5 Joander (164)
Jensons 5
joander123 4 Coler (146)
johnlarson66 4
jpappy789 4
judgemax 5 Joander (59)
KingOfTheDeep 5
Malbri 6
mee-mee 5
OgreMkV 5
sploke 4
ZSandmann 6

[clown-lover]

well, i am just saying I will be watching you! lol..you seem like a smart person, and smart people are dangerous,when not a townie, ..and, when is your b-day,. mines oct 17th, ..a libra here, in case you all can't tell..lmao

I hit enter to fast.. And yes I can which is why I wanted you to play.. The evil empire won't be able to withstand two Jedi's.. lol :grinyes:

[Coler]

Interesting Ogre...is 5 neutral, plus 5 leaning mafia, less than 5 leaning innocent ?

If so where are you getting your 6's from, also you 4's ?

[IceH2O]

Therein lies the problem. If you sound like mafia, people think you're mafia. If you try to not sound like mafia, people think, well he's trying not to sound like mafia so he must be mafia. Catch 22.


lol thats paranoia talking or maybe scared to slip up like your other mafia brethern, you may as well not post with that mindset.

[joander123]

ogres post just confused the crap outa me, what do all those numbers mean?

and no im not playing the confused card... i kind of understand things a bit more now lol

[clown-lover]

Earlier in the day Mark had spotted a couple of young people walking past his store and were interested in the fact the hardware store was going to be open for business soon. Both of them helped to clean everything and get it ship shape for the next day. Mark knew it was going to be a busy day just because of the casual conversations that the couple was having while hastily cleaning shelves.

One of the more off handed comments was that I had better find a good rope supplier due to the number of lynchings in this town. He did realize that crime was that rampant, but ensured that he would take the suggestion to heart and find a good supplier the following day.

One their way out the couple asked if it would be OK if they made some pre-opening purchases.. Being the neighborly sort that he was, Mark said "Sure, no problem."

However the couples purchases worried him. One purchased several lengths of rope and the other some fishing line and tackle. Said they were going on an expedition.. He wondered what kind....

[judgemax]

Interesting Ogre...is 5 neutral, plus 5 leaning mafia, less than 5 leaning innocent ?

If so where are you getting your 6's from, also you 4's ?

was wondering the same thing?

[joander123]

im going to remove my lynch on Coler, because i agree with what HN said on him.

Can i just remove a vote, and not cast it on anyone else yet btw?

[joander123]

oops forgot to bold it

Remove Lynch on Coler.

[OgreMkV]

You can vote to lynch NO ONE

gnore the numbers, I fracked everything up this time. I was doing 10 as mafia, which was the opposite of what I was doing last game. I'll update the votes too.

[OgreMkV]

bkw1982
clown-lover
Coler Coler (4)
Cory Lover Joander (172)
Dangerdoll
Hooked Newbie Sploke (184)
IceH2O Joander (164)
Jensons
joander123 Coler (146) No One (196)
johnlarson66
jpappy789
judgemax Joander (59)
KingOfTheDeep
Malbri
mee-mee
OgreMkV
sploke
ZSandmann

[OgreMkV]

grrr... I'll have whip up some HTML code for that.

[Hooked Newbie]

yes and no...I kicked off the game in the way I did (still voting for myself btw lol) because its a Sunday (now night) here, and I won't be halfway as active until maybe tomorrow evening after I turn in. I'm an innocent and playing it with a totally straight bat.

I also think that I will be a leading candidate for the mafia hit and want to get some stuff out there in case that happens.


The mafia hit tonight (if it isn't botched) will be very telling. I was doing the same, getting it all out there. I still am wary of just about everyone (including you) at this point of the game.

[Dangerdoll]

dangerdoll and coler seem suspicious to me.... danger doll for the early finger pointing with no reason... and again, coler for reasons i've stated above.
finger pointing for no reason? I was pointing at those that were quick to finger point themselves so early in the game or that were posting illogically and I do believe you were in that list.... hmmmm.... you are only solidifying your position on my list but I am not ready to say you are guilty yet because I feel stronger about jpappy at this time. Also, I am now noticing that a few peeps have used this same reasoning for having me on their list. This leads me to believe the mafia is nervous about my being in the game and I will be watching you folks that used this excuse to watch me. Can Mafia 5 really be this easy?


O jeeeez! Here we go...jo, you really need to read game 4 and see how cl's nonsense posting got'em in trouble. I can't tell if you are just really confused or a slipped-up mafia because you're a newb. I think it's pretty obvious that the vets need to be watched because they always have a few tricks up their sleeves.


Would it be effective to have a limit to how many posts per person each "day?" I mean look at last game. So many posts were either completely unrelated to the game, people going on huge rants about nothing (*cough* neon julie *cough*), and then people taking things waaay to personally. It might take away from the game. Less to analyze but still we already have 13 pages! People don't want to read all that! Simple lists of suspicions and why is sufficent and then when the time comes a post about who you want to vote for. I don't know it's just an idea...

I wasn't suspicious of you pappy until I got to these threads. You seem to like to lay out exactly how the mafia are or is it you are playing it as you want the mafia to find the mayor, detective, doctor a bit easier? I dunno, the way this second quote is.... it's just saying to me that you'd rather just everyone post a one liner in order to keep you and your homies safe. You have made it to the top of my suspicious list.

[Hooked Newbie]

To Joander

finger pointing for no reason? I was pointing at those that were quick to finger point themselves so early in the game or that were posting illogically and I do believe you were in that list.... hmmmm.... you are only solidifying your position on my list but I am not ready to say you are guilty yet because I feel stronger about jpappy at this time. Also, I am now noticing that a few peeps have used this same reasoning for having me on their list. This leads me to believe the mafia is nervous about my being in the game and I will be watching you folks that used this excuse to watch me. Can Mafia 5 really be this easy?


To Jpappy
I wasn't suspicious of you pappy until I got to these threads. You seem to like to lay out exactly how the mafia are or is it you are playing it as you want the mafia to find the mayor, detective, doctor a bit easier? I dunno, the way this second quote is.... it's just saying to me that you'd rather just everyone post a one liner in order to keep you and your homies safe. You have made it to the top of my suspicious list.


No offense, but the fact that you are "fixated" on jpappy and joander when others (including myself) have stated suspicion is a bit curious to me. Are you looking for the "easy deflection"?

[bkw1982]

Well 197 post later and its better then last game....not to much role playing, some good looks, and Jo pulling a cory-love on day one...lol fun times.

watch list
1. joander, mainly for this statment:


now why would i be TRYING to act like a mafia? As i have said before, i just do not know how the game is played. It seems odd to me that coler would just come out and say that "Im and Innocent dont vote for me".... its just not what you do... but then again, when you think, why would he come out and say that if he WAS indeed a mafia, wouldnt you think he would know that he was calling attention to himself by saying that, and wouldnt he not want to call attention to himself?

For all the post about how you don't know how to play the game and you're confused how can you be certain this is not what you do. To me this is where u messed up.

2. clown-lover, the post about how members from last game hav a higher chance of being mafia make me think he doesn't know wht the word random means, or it's misdirection.

3 colar.....colar ur just colar and spike everyones radar, even when we're not playin the game lol.

Last thought:
The games random...and ref old games make sense to a point. posting style, defensive behavior, and typing patterns, IMO, are ok to ref due to the fact that everyone one has access to the old games. any other ref to roles should be ignored.

[clown-lover]

For all the post about how you don't know how to play the game and you're confused how can you be certain this is not what you do. To me this is where u messed up.


Simple.. I'll spell it out for you and every one else that doesn't seem to get it.

In this game we have 4 new people and 14 old people. While everyone has an equal chance of being selected as mafia, the 14 old people have a higher overall percentage of being selected than the 4 newbies.

Any of the statements stating a specific person would make a great mafia are simple accusations that have been made to see what type of response if any was given based upon their previous gameplay as a stratigic person. Most of the people I have singled out in this way were lynch players in the last game and not guppies. So now that that part is out.. was it the response given the one that I was looking for or something completely off the wall. Could that response lead me to believe that this person truely is mafia or am I barking up the wrong tree..

[Rbishop]

3 votes to lynch joan judge, Ice, and cory

1 vote to lynch coler coler

1 vote to lynch sploke Hook

17 of 18 have posted

5 of 18 have voted

[clown-lover]

Edit.. It should read lynch pin players (this is not a vote).

[Dangerdoll]

No offense, but the fact that you are "fixated" on jpappy and joander when others (including myself) have stated suspicion is a bit curious to me. Are you looking for the "easy deflection"?
thanks for admitting to being one of those fingering me for posting a thought early.... that makes sense though, right? I have been suspicious of pappy and jo since the beginning and they keep confirming my thoughts.

[bkw1982]

Simple.. I'll spell it out for you and every one else that doesn't seem to get it.

In this game we have 4 new people and 14 old people. While everyone has an equal chance of being selected as mafia, the 14 old people have a higher overall percentage of being selected than the 4 newbies.

u just created a unture paradox. how can they hav an equal chance of being picked and a higher chance at the same time.

Tell me this CL#2(ur number 2 cause cory lover was here first) in the lottery every number has the same odds of being picked 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th and 6th. If the lottery numbers were 1,2,3,4,5, and 6 would the odds be any different? no cause, although it is a funny coincidence that these numbers mean something to us in that order the odds are the same. Past events hav no effect on future events that are selected at random. just cause last weeks numbers were 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 doesn't mean they can't be the same this week or ever again, because no matter what if you are using the same system the odds are equal.....thats the point of randomness. if what you were saying is true then playing the lottery or picking anything at random would be alot easier.

[Hooked Newbie]

thanks for admitting to being one of those fingering me for posting a thought early.... that makes sense though, right? I have been suspicious of pappy and jo since the beginning and they keep confirming my thoughts.

YW.

[ZSandmann]

Sandy steps back into the fray after enjoying a day out. He managed to pick up a new light for his tank at a reasonable price and enjoyed a fantastic flick at the cinema (Transformers).

Good Lord! I'm gone for a few hours and the thread explodes, but that is great, glad to see there is a lot of posting to read for info. I read through real quick and will need to go back and reread later tonight but right now my watch list is:

joander: I think that they either goofed CL style or else just don't proofread. Their more recent posts have been much more put together and focused, interesting.

DD: For the finger-pointing at the finger-pointers comments, and because she is a really good player and worth watching.

Coler: The opening post was mind shattering. Almost as fun as a who's on first skit. But I tend to think he is innocent because a Mafia would be nuts to open the game like that, unless that is what he wants us to think. There's a paradox for you!

Ogre and Ice: A+ players, as much as I'd like to trust them it is just to hard not to doubt them at the beginning of a game. They are master sleuths and could probably convince me the Easter Bunny is the Don.

bkw: He must be Mafia!!! (JOKING) I dunno no read yet.

[IceH2O]

I have to agree with Bkw. Your posts make no sense and look to me as if you're trying to confuse people.

Joander is still getting my vote but if it takes 1 vote to put you over the top I may switch. Its not important which one goes 1st just that one of you do go. The other will follow shortly I'm sure.

[clown-lover]

[quote=bkw1982;987882]u just created a unture paradox. how can they hav an equal chance of being picked and a higher chance at the same time.
quote]

Do I need to program a random number generator based on our names and run the scenario for you??

We each have a 22% chance of being selected as one of the mafia.. (that is 4/18).

However when you look at the overal selection density of the population, the group of 14 have a larger chance of being selected of more than one of them being selected even with a random number generator (which by the way most computer random number generators are not random they work on a time slice principle) than the group of 4 does. Its the law of averages bud.

[ZSandmann]

Am I right that johnlarson66 is the only unspoken player? I suppose that could be a knock against him, but it is too premature to go there. I would like to hear from everyone before I begin to even consider a vote.

Coler's vote for himself counts? :D

[IceH2O]

Sandy steps back into the fray after enjoying a day out. He managed to pick up a new light for his tank at a reasonable price and enjoyed a fantastic flick at the cinema (Transformers).

Good Lord! I'm gone for a few hours and the thread explodes, but that is great, glad to see there is a lot of posting to read for info. I read through real quick and will need to go back and reread later tonight but right now my watch list is:

joander: I think that they either goofed CL style or else just don't proofread. Their more recent posts have been much more put together and focused, interesting.

DD: For the finger-pointing at the finger-pointers comments, and because she is a really good player and worth watching.

Coler: The opening post was mind shattering. Almost as fun as a who's on first skit. But I tend to think he is innocent because a Mafia would be nuts to open the game like that, unless that is what he wants us to think. There's a paradox for you!

Ogre and Ice: A+ players, as much as I'd like to trust them it is just to hard not to doubt them at the beginning of a game. They are master sleuths and could probably convince me the Easter Bunny is the Don.

bkw: He must be Mafia!!! (JOKING) I dunno no read yet.


haha you give me way to much credit. I've been in 1 game, the 2nd one doesn't count since i went out the 1st day. But thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll do my best to help you rid the town of Mafia.

[Hooked Newbie]

I retract my vote for Sploke and vote to lynch the Easter Bunny.

[clown-lover]

Am I right that johnlarson66 is the only unspoken player?

Yes

Here is the count as of page 21

bkw19821Coler25Clown-Lover26Cory Lover3Dangerdoll3Hooked Newbie12IceH2O16Jensons3joander12330johnlarson66jp appy7899judgemax33KingOfTheDeep3Malbri5mee-mee4OgreMkV12sploke5ZSandmann8

[clown-lover]

Dog gone it.. Tried to post from Excel into the editor... sigh.. Hope this works.

bkw1982 1
Coler 25
Clown-Lover 26
Cory Lover 3
Dangerdoll 3
Hooked Newbie 12
IceH2O 16
Jensons 3
joander123 30
johnlarson66
jpappy789 9
judgemax 33
KingOfTheDeep 3
Malbri 5
mee-mee 4
OgreMkV 12
sploke 5
ZSandmann 8

[judgemax]

I retract my vote for Sploke and vote to lynch the Easter Bunny.

:lol: now thats funny, i don't care who you are, lol

and, i obviously, have no life, jeez, am i glad monday is tom, back to the grind

[bkw1982]

The way you stated it we are not looking at 18ppl but 2 groups, newbies and vets. So does that mean that vets hav a higher chance of being mafia then the newbs? no, it means that mafia has a higher chance of having more vets because there are more of them to select from. I know it sounds like i just said the same thing twice but the confusion lies in the wording...."the vets hav a higher chance of being mafia then the newbs" This is an unture statment because everyone has the same chance at being mafia. Now word it this way "Because there are more vets then newbs mafia has a higher chance of filling their ranks with a vet" that is a true statment because there are 14 vets vs 4 nwbs which raise the odds of mafia selecting a vet.

everyone has a 50% chance of being either mafia or innocent.(well almost a 50%. the 1st 4 ppl atlleast have 50% chance if we were in person and picking out a hat. it depends on how sets up the list and how he selects mafia. bottom 4 or top four are mafia.)

Mafia has a 14/18 chance of picking a vet and 4//18 chance of picking a newb

It's all in the wording of the statment....but needless to say i see your point, and i think it is a good observation. but doesn't excuse you from being mafia. A mafia repersentitive and a innocent representitive didn't walk up to a hat and select. it's about placement on the list and bishop methods of selection.

[clown-lover]

Judge.. you beat me to that comment.. I was running for my ms excel spreadsheet when trying to get Zsandmans answer for him.

[clown-lover]

The way you stated it we are not looking at 18ppl but 2 groups, newbies and vets. So does that mean that vets hav a higher chance of being mafia then the newbs? no, it means that mafia has a higher chance of having more vets because there are more of them to select from. I know it sounds like i just said the same thing twice but the confusion lies in the wording...."the vets hav a higher chance of being mafia then the newbs" This is an unture statment because everyone has the same chance at being mafia. Now word it this way "Because there are more vets then newbs mafia has a higher chance of filling their ranks with a vet" that is a true statment because there are 14 vets vs 4 nwbs which raise the odds of mafia selecting a vet.

everyone has a 50% chance of being either mafia or innocent.

Mafia has a 14/18 chance of picking a vet and 4//18 chance of picking a newb

It's all in the wording of the statment....but needless to say i see your point, and i think it is a good observation.

Sorry.. I was an analyst.. Not an english major..:grinyes:

[Hooked Newbie]

I retract my vote for the Easter Bunny (;)) and vote to lynch JudgeMax. Too different from last game! Unless I see something substantial between now and then, I intend to make this my solid vote.

[Sploke]

We each have a 22% chance of being selected as one of the mafia.. (that is 4/18).

However when you look at the overal selection density of the population, the group of 14 have a larger chance of being selected of more than one of them being selected even with a random number generator (which by the way most computer random number generators are not random they work on a time slice principle) than the group of 4 does. Its the law of averages bud.

As far as I understand the game anyway, that first statement is correct. For this game, we each have a 22% chance of coming up as mafia. Thats it. If you factor in previous games, yes for "senior players", there is a higher probability that they have been selected as mafia at some point in time. However, the number generation is independent each game, it is not affected by previous results. Its like flipping a coin...just because you flip 10 heads in a row, it is not more likely at that point that you will flip a tails, its 50/50 because they're independent trials.

[judgemax]

I retract my vote for the Easter Bunny (;)) and vote to lynch JudgeMax. Too different from last game! Unless I see something substantial between now and then, I intend to make this my solid vote.

what?...whats is so different from last game?..I posted alot there to, unless i said i would be out, .I don't get it, its sunday, i happen to have a slow day, the dogs and kids are good, what did i do to you?..lmao, are you still sore from last game, that I outed you;)

[Coler]

HN...judge is definitely up to something

[Hooked Newbie]

what?...whats is so different from last game?..I posted alot there to, unless i said i would be out, .I don't get it, its sunday, i happen to have a slow day, the dogs and kids are good, what did i do to you?..lmao, are you still sore from last game, that I outed you;)

Don't be. You did good deductive work, just as I believe I have so far even if the game is early. Why so defensive? Where's your list of suspects? What are your thoughts on the other folks? Convince me that I'm wrong, don't try to guilt me into thinking it...

[ZSandmann]

I retract my vote for Sploke and vote to lynch the Easter Bunny.

lmao, that Mafia scum-bad, I knew he was guilty the minute I saw him with that fake plastic grass.

[OgreMkV]

grrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hit another page to find something and wiped out my whole post. Crap.

Clown - I think bkw has more than 1 post. And yeah, excel does not post into the forum well.

My statements really didn't bring anything out.

Later

P.S. baby in lap.

[judgemax]

ok, well whatever, you guys will see, I am not going to proclaim my innocence a hundred times, . I am having a good time, and Right now, i have the time to do it, i won't tomorrow, and whats it matter?, i give up, you guys wanna lynch me day one, ok, do it, i have done nothing wrong, and have tried to not copy so much,like NJ pointed out, forgive me for trying to learn, ! I guess, when the smoke clears, and you see my name, youll know, your down a townie..., i have two kids to bath, so, unless they go to bed early , i won't be on till later, is that alright, or will that make me look mafia to?..

[bkw1982]

CL#2 either way that was a good observation and as sploke pointed out the random generater is what trows everything up in the air. but im sure some mathematician could factor it all in and come out with a conclusion to all of it, Im not a mathematician and only understood half of the stuff i typed lol.

I will be watchin you alot closer from now on CL#2......wait....in my book you are CL#1, cory lover can be CL-A

[judgemax]

Don't be. You did good deductive work, just as I believe I have so far even if the game is early. Why so defensive? Where's your list of suspects? What are your thoughts on the other folks? Convince me that I'm wrong, don't try to guilt me into thinking it...

this is really it, ..i gave a list already, read back, ...see if i get in a good mood, and try and play a game with yall anymore...

[Coler]

*game off*

time for a chill pill; see post 1 from the GM

*game on*

[Hooked Newbie]

this is really it, ..i gave a list already, read back, ...see if i get in a good mood, and try and play a game with yall anymore...

Taking things that personally for just my one vote? Thank you for gracing our prescence, but I still think I'm onto something. I dealt with the heat, can you?

[ZSandmann]

this is really it, ..i gave a list already, read back, ...see if i get in a good mood, and try and play a game with yall anymore...

judge why are you going all Chernobyl? One person voted for ya, based on the current votes that means nothing. Day 1 is so random we really could lynch the Easter Bunny by 6pm tomorrow. I think you make great observations and we all have a real life outside the game so I always try not to focus too much on posting frequency. Just play your game the best you can and let everyone come to their conclusions.

[bkw1982]

Im srry judge i don't see anything HN said that could be taken offense. IMO using posting habits from old games is a good tatic, the post are there for everyone to read, so if Hn derived at a conclusion that you're mafia from your post habits i see nothing wrong. Please don't leave just caused you're named....honestly it makes me watch you closer because u reacted so poorly

[Hooked Newbie]

lmao, that Mafia scum-bad, I knew he was guilty the minute I saw him with that fake plastic grass.

Z- where are all the enlightening insights from last game? I miss them...

[IceH2O]

I have to agree with JM on the post part. I'm off today so I can make more posts then usual and watch the board.

Starting tomorrow I'll be at work all day. I might be able to throw a quick scan and solid vote in the morning but I'll probably be at work or just coming home when nightfalls,unless somehow my jobs bring me near the house at lunchtime.

So for the most part I'm having to fit 2 days into 1 day figuring out whats going on and who is who.

[Hooked Newbie]

I'm not buying the drama this game. The best thing you can do tonight Max is to have your lackies hit me. I will keep challenging you and anyone else I find suspicious. Your response so far has only served to solidify my beliefs. It's day one and way too early to get offended. If you are not lynched tonight, I would encourage those who can to at least investigate you.

[IceH2O]

wow 3 posts before mine came out.

I wasn't going to harp on the anger aspect of the post. Judge is female,I'm going to leave it at that lol.

Same reason if I was in game 4 that I wouldn't of jumped on NJ. I would have broken a rule and PMed her though. Her posting was excessive and uncalled for.

[Hooked Newbie]

wow 3 posts before mine came out.

I wasn't going to harp on the anger aspect of the post. Judge is female,I'm going to leave it at that lol.

Same reason if I was in game 4 that I wouldn't of jumped on NJ. I would have broken a rule and PMed her though. Her posting was excessive and uncalled for.


And Ice comes out in defense.... please note this townies in case I don't make it through the night.

[Coler]

:)


*game off*

time for a chill pill; see post 1 from the GM

*game on*

[KingOfTheDeep]

whoa! time for everyone to take a deep breath and a relax..

241 posts already...pretty crazy if you ask me.

anyway..here's my list..this is pretty much just random right now, but these 3people sort of sparked my mafiometer..

Joander - aside from being a red sox fan..he's posting like a newbie mafia would, theres also the fact that he says he has no idea how to play this game
but in this post it seems as though he's not as confused as he'd lke us to believe


now why would i be TRYING to act like a mafia? As i have said before, i just do not know how the game is played. It seems odd to me that coler would just come out and say that "Im and Innocent dont vote for me".... its just not what you do... but then again, when you think, why would he come out and say that if he WAS indeed a mafia, wouldnt you think he would know that he was calling attention to himself by saying that, and wouldnt he not want to call attention to himself?

along with him..and these are just random..

ogre - no REAL suspicious posts yet..to early to tell...but he's always on the radar in this game
jpappy- again..just random..but im watching him closely

[IceH2O]

And Ice comes out in defense.... please note this townies in case I don't make it through the night.

LOL quite a reach there HN but its all good. Everyones reaching this early in the game.

[Coler]

this is really it, ..i gave a list already, read back, ...see if i get in a good mood, and try and play a game with yall anymore...

Is this the list :


well, if you guys want other suspects at this point, I guess that malbri would be my second guess, she has constantly stuck up for everyone else..Most especially jo, and I feel strongly that jo made a newbie mistake.

I am also looking at Clown lover, ..not only is it hard to have two CL's, lol, its awfully early to act so serious IMHO..I can't help but think, one that comes on that strong, and hasn't played before, ..maybe needing ti hide something, hes either a very smart person, or very dangerous,

[IceH2O]

Wrong button then kid calling me...

So to continue..

Its not pausible that I was defending her as my post was being typed out while you posted your not taking the drama post.

If anything it seems like a mafia move on your part to take posts out of context and twist them to be what you want the innocents to believe.

[Coler]

'cause if so I think Malbri said something like 'Coler's strange doesn't mean he's mafia' and something about joander being new...then announced her intended absence around day 4.

Clown lover...hard to have any sense of mafia the postings here. Responding as if affronted to being referred to...but again new.

Hmmm...was judge's almost immediate jump all over joander a smart player taking advantage of a rookie slip ?

[ZSandmann]

Z- where are all the enlightening insights from last game? I miss them...

It is early yet. But I think a few Mafia may have already betrayed themselves.

[Hooked Newbie]

Wrong button then kid calling me...

So to continue..

Its not pausible that I was defending her as my post was being typed out while you posted your not taking the drama post.

If anything it seems like a mafia move on your part to take posts out of context and twist them to be what you want the innocents to believe.

I'm not "twisting" anything. I made a seemingly random vote (one of two, I won't count the Easter Bunny) and waited for responses. I definitely got them. If you think I am mafia, investigate me, post detailed reasoning, or lynch me. I'm much more comfortable this game.

[Hooked Newbie]

It is early yet. But I think a few Mafia may have already betrayed themselves.

And I fear others may be laying low...

[clown-lover]

Here is a test that I did using a quickly cobbled together random number generator based on number assignment. I placed all players names in alphabetical order assigned a number based on that order and then ran the program. I ran it 20 times the number after your name is the round in which you were picked. The number before your name is what the random number generator picked during that round.

THIS MEANS NOTHING AND WAS ONLY AN EXPERIMENT!!!

1. bkw 4,5,13,18 Picked 4 times
2. clown-lover 8,18,20 Picked 3 Times
3. coler 6,9,10,12,19 Picked 5 Times
4. cory lover 2,3,15,19 Picked 4 Times
5. DangerDoll 1,2,8,9,10,14,15,17,20 Picked 9 Times
6. HN 10,11,12,14,15,16 Picked 6 Times
7. Ice 6,8,11 Picked 3 Times
8. Jensons 7,12,13,16,17,19 Picked 6 Times
9. JoAnder 3,6,7,18 Picked 4 Times
10. JonLarson 2,11,13 Picked 3 Times
11.Jpappy 1,5, Picked Twice
12.judge 3,4,7,8,17,20 Picked 6 Times
13.KOTD 3,4,6,20 Picked 4 Times
14.Malbri 9 Picked Once
15.mee-mee 5,13,14,16,17 Picked 5 Times
16.Ogre 2,5,9,11,14,15,19 Picked 7 Times
17.Sploke 1,4,10,12 Picked 4 Times
18.Zsandman 1,7,18 Picked 3 Times