Mafia #6.....The Play

[ZSandmann]

Wouldn't count on that. A lot of people unfortunately want this game over soon.

[Madcrawdad]

Remember how the JMax theory almost made me lynch Ogre? So even if Sploke is lynched and found innocent, we may not really know. SCARY.

I thought it was your strong connection to mee-mee that almost made you lynch Ogre...think you said something like, 'you would have done anything that she did.' So which one is it? ;)

[plantling]

Both, actually. I was very suspicious and mee-mee said she was too along with a certain someone ;). And then if she investigated JL as well as it seemed, I was willing to follow her.

[OgreMkV]

Plantling, as of now, we have a free night. It won't be good if we lynch an innocent, but it'll be OK.

Plus, we'll find out the next night.

[ZSandmann]

*cricket*

[joander123]

not much action ...

[plantling]

dum de dum

[plantling]

Alright the more and more I read their posts, the more I think both Sploke and Jens are Mafia. But would the Mafia put two of their own in the same snitch's list? Perhaps that's why they didn't get rid of BKW sooner? And maybe in his own way Charlie was trying to help the town.

[ZSandmann]

Rarrrr!?

[joander123]

lol

[Swayde]

^^ What a fruitcake! ^^

[ZSandmann]

SO.... two Mafia walk into a bar. The first one says, "Hi sploke." The second one looks at the first and replies, "Hi Jensons."

That's it, that's all I've got. :D

[OgreMkV]

They really ought to just surrender now.

[plantling]

I think Jens is out of action with her tooth.

Loved that joke Z. :laugh:

[ZSandmann]

That is why I think Jensons was the unvoted Mafia last Night.

[Swayde]

That would make sense.

[OgreMkV]

rb, what's the status? Is this game dying? You know if the mafia are still around.

[Madcrawdad]

That is why I think Jensons was the unvoted Mafia last Night.

Nope...my guess would be Sploke. Jensons logged on to vote for the town lynch. If mafia, why wouldn't she have gotten her mafia hit in also? Sploke didn't vote in the town lynch, and by his post last night, I would figure him to be the one not voting for the mafia hit....Just a thought.

[Rbishop]

Yes, for whatever reason(s), it is laying in the town square and whimpering...


:(

Let me get some thoughts together since I just got home from work and I will make a post....thanks!

:)

[plantling]

OK, just out of curiousity, if Sploke was found Mafia, and it was KOTD vs plantling who would have voted plantling? I just have to know.

[Rbishop]

Do to the current lack of participation, I have decided to close the game and call the Townies the victors. I will try to post some thoughts here about the game overall and maybe answer or clarify some issues.

First I would like to thank everyone for participating and helping to make this enjoyable for all of us. And that means a big thanks to Ogre for bringing this game to the AC forums!

I will try to keep things noted below as generic as I can, and no one should assume any one item is personal and directed at them. Thanks in advance. If I fail to answer/cover a issue you have concerns with, please post here so I can answer and all will benefit.

With input from the previous game players, it became evident that the game might be too strongly structured so the Mafia couldn't win. Listening to the input from many of you, I made some adjustments and ran the ideas thru some of the Mafis Game sites out there.

I eliminated the Mayor/Detective combined rolls. With both of them being able to do investigations and the ability to lynch twice, many folks thought this was too powerful. This was reduced to just a Detective who could do investigations.

The split of 17/7 came about to give the Mafia an edge, since we had some very good players signed up. I was hoping to create lots of posts and see some real deductions going on, which I think was definitely accomplished!
:)

I still wanted some wild cards, just to keep things a bit unstable. Thus the Vig and the Snitch.

Remember:

The Vigilante...a total wild card...he can kill once per game by sending me a PM at the start of the game night. The Vigilante can be an Innocent or a Mafia, and strike against either.

and:

The "Snitch". One of the Mafia is a Snitch. Since their cousin Vinny was ousted by the Mafia last year, they feel some revenge is needed. The Snitch does not reveal his identity to anybody, not even the Don, except by me upon their death. The Snitch will PM me a list of 4 names, their choosing, whenever I ask. At least one member of this list will be a Mafia member.These names will be worked into the night time story line. Innocents do not want to kill the snitch too early, and the Mafia want him gone quickly...maybe, depends on their plans.

The Vig can be either Mafia or Innocent, and strike against either. It was so close to happening this game, I almost expected it to be over a lot sooner. I thought long and hard about making the Vig, Mafia, but thought that would make it to favorably towards the Mafia.

The Snitch was thrown in, just to keep the Mafia on their toes and not take everything for granted. Notice the "The Snitch will PM me a list of 4 names, their choosing, whenever I ask." and "At least one member of this list will be a Mafia member. "

Some folks thought I shouldn't do anything but post a list, but I thought working them into the story line would lend a bit more humor and thought into the game. The folks who originally had worries about it changed their minds before the game began.

Since the game was going extremely one sided by the middle of Day 2, I asked for a Snitch list, 1 Mafia, 3 Innocnets, all of the Snitches choosing. I got: KOTD, Mee-mee, Plant and Mad.

For night three, I asked for another list, but since things seemed in such confusion, I requested 2 Mafia and 2 Innocents, and got: sploke, jensons, bkw and mee. This list also had stipulations that it could all be new names, but no more than one from the old list.

I was undecided on a third list but since the Townies still continued assualting themselves, I was prepared to ask for a third. Since the Snitch was going out of town for the weekend, he sent one in while I was at work. I had decided that the third list should be a combination of the first two.

This third list would be 3 Mafia/1 Innocent, made from the first two lists. I ended up choosing since the Snitch wasn't available.

The clues I gave could very easily be taken in any way, as many of you noted.

I do see a problem with giving the current status of Mafia/Innocent and the Secret Identity issue though.

The two chosen for Secret Identity were plantling and joander, but it never came into play.

Twice after 5 deaths I asked for "dead" votes but didn't get any.

I didn't do any "unexpected posts", since there were enough of them on their own.

With so many folks dropping out, for real personal issues, taking things too seriously, and/or some other issue, I did my best to keep things challenging for all. Sorry if things went askew for any of you.

Hope you had a good time, and I look forward to running #8!

[mee-mee]

So it was a great game...anyway....

who was the remaining mafia....can ya tell us....plzzz...

[Rbishop]

oh yeah... Mafia for Game #6...

Dangerdoll
sploke
johnlarson66
Jensons
jappy789
KingOfTheDeep
charlie_stubbs

:D

[MikenDanielle]

I just wanted to clairify, that I didn't quit for personal reason's, not taking the game too seriously, it was a sad attempt of knowing I was an innocent and not wanting the townies votes wasted on me, so I had hoped the enxt in line would be lynched and be a mafia. Sorry it didn't work out, and also sorry to hear things came to an end.

[IceH2O]

I had a great time Rb and sorry if I sounded a bit harsh about the odds of winning. It was more frustration then anything as we see the townies did indeed pull it out.

I want to explain why I thought of protecting Mike and not Coler. I was afraid that Coler could be mafia and that the mafia thinking that Coler will always be the 1st protected as evident by the outcry would be thought an innocent. The other scenario was if Coler was an innocent that the mafia would assume Coler was protected and not hit him.

I also wanted to see who jumped on Mike night 1 and night 2 and see if there were any correlating votes. It was probably to early in the game for this as everyone was still running in circles smelling one anothers butts. I didn't think Mike was mafia and was right. Only reason I switched votes was because with the switching around I thought maybe he was and they were trying to oust Mad.

It was a tough game. I'm also partly at fault for not reading the amended rules. Might have made things a bit clearer.

Thanks again and I only hope I can make 9 as interesting.

[Rbishop]

I just wanted to clairify, that I didn't quit for personal reason's, not taking the game too seriously, it was a sad attempt of knowing I was an innocent and not wanting the townies votes wasted on me, so I had hoped the enxt in line would be lynched and be a mafia. Sorry it didn't work out, and also sorry to hear things came to an end.

Glad to have you aboard for the next one if you choose to MikenDanielle! Thanks for playing!

[Rbishop]

I had a great time Rb and sorry if I sounded a bit harsh about the odds of winning. It was more frustration then anything as we see the townies did indeed pull it out.

I want to explain why I thought of protecting Mike and not Coler. I was afraid that Coler could be mafia and that the mafia thinking that Coler will always be the 1st protected as evident by the outcry would be thought an innocent. The other scenario was if Coler was an innocent that the mafia would assume Coler was protected and not hit him.

I also wanted to see who jumped on Mike night 1 and night 2 and see if there were any correlating votes. It was probably to early in the game for this as everyone was still running in circles smelling one anothers butts. I didn't think Mike was mafia and was right. Only reason I switched votes was because with the switching around I thought maybe he was and they were trying to oust Mad.

It was a tough game. I'm also partly at fault for not reading the amended rules. Might have made things a bit clearer.

Thanks again and I only hope I can make 9 as interesting.

No problem Ice! I think you will bring a new twist to #9! I have had to back out of the #7 werewolf games so I can finish some forum related items and catch up on my slack thread posting.

I will make the guidelines for #8 look different so more folks pay attention and try to weed out the rules conflicts.

It was a great game by all!

[mee-mee]

I will definitely be on game 8 also....

[IceH2O]

I'm actually thinking of something along the lines of this:

A bloody coup attempt.

1 person will be President then the rest are split in half. Game ends If/when the President is killed off.

Half the people are gunning for him the other half protecting him. I want to break the bad guys in to 2 groups and they have no knowledge of who is on the other team. So really they can take out each other by accident. Helping the Presidential protectors unwittingly.

I'll have it all worked at by then, that was just a quick idea I've been tossong around.

[Rbishop]

that has definite possibilities!

[MikenDanielle]

I wonder if there is anyway we can incorporate fish into the mix of things... being a fish forum and all... anyone have suggestions?


Maybe the innocents are community fish, and the "mafia" are sharks or pirhana's?

[Rbishop]

an underwater village...? sharks...clown fishies...the evil moray eels....

[IceH2O]

I wonder if there is anyway we can incorporate fish into the mix of things... being a fish forum and all... anyone have suggestions?


Maybe the innocents are community fish, and the "mafia" are sharks or pirhana's?

LOL ok

Just change my idea to everyone trying to kill Nemo and go from there lol.

[Madcrawdad]

OK, just out of curiousity, if Sploke was found Mafia, and it was KOTD vs plantling who would have voted plantling? I just have to know.

I was really still up in the air on this one....as I mentioned, if not mafia, King should have been going after you a lot harder. The fact that you, though, seemed to be backtracking on your Ogre vote (first following mee-mee, then saying it was the JudgeMax as Don thing) still had me going for you.

But, the fact that King seemed genuinely miffed after the botched hit, and wasn't playing at all today kind of tipped me off a little. Problem was, though, that I couldn't be completely sure, as King hadn't ever posted a lot. Another arguement for King is that some folks were talking about the current game in the signup for the next game (I wish folks would REALLY STOP doing that). The fact that JPappy was kind of calling out BKW for not voting (but not KOTD who also had a few 'no votes') was telling.

Can't be certain how I would have voted....

Gotta say, though, that this was my favorite mafia game so far. I know some folks (mafia) got upset about the botched hit, but 2 townies also quit early, which left an extra mafia in the game. IMO the botched hit inadvertently may have 'put things right.'

Regardless of the outcome (I'm willing to call it a 'Draw' if it'll make the mafia happy), this was still the best game IMO. I think that rb put a lot of thought and time into it, and did a great job. Very much appreciated. :thumbsup:

On a separate note, did ANYONE, either participating or just reading, understand my rationale for thinking that JudgeMax could have been Don?

Also, one of the top 10 mafia moments ever.... Plantling jumping onto the Ogre train after mee-mee, and mee-mee then bailing out. I could almost see Plantling's eyes, as big as saucers, through my monitor. With Z calling out 'Plantling's a mafia list jumper!', followed by mee-mee's backtrack and Plantling standing there like a deer in the headlights, I was almost rolling on the floor laughing....

Great game everyone!

[ZSandmann]

RB: Great round, glad the townies were able to turn it around. I had everyone pegged but KOTD although I had suspicions from his retracted vote on Ogre.

Once Sway and I were able to see eye to eye and the Det. was able to give us some solid info the Town really came together and THAT is the only way to win this game. Cheers Townies, now excuse I have a plane to catch to some far removed primitive village thats having a bit of a lycan problem.

[ZSandmann]

I was really still up in the air on this one....as I mentioned, if not mafia, King should have been going after you a lot harder. The fact that you, though, seemed to be backtracking on your Ogre vote (first following mee-mee, then saying it was the JudgeMax as Don thing) still had me going for you.

But, the fact that King seemed genuinely miffed after the botched hit, and wasn't playing at all today kind of tipped me off a little. Problem was, though, that I couldn't be completely sure, as King hadn't ever posted a lot. Another arguement for King is that some folks were talking about the current game in the signup for the next game (I wish folks would REALLY STOP doing that). The fact that JPappy was kind of calling out BKW for not voting (but not KOTD who also had a few 'no votes') was telling.

Can't be certain how I would have voted....

Gotta say, though, that this was my favorite mafia game so far. I know some folks (mafia) got upset about the botched hit, but 2 townies also quit early, which left an extra mafia in the game. IMO the botched hit inadvertently may have 'put things right.'

Regardless of the outcome (I'm willing to call it a 'Draw' if it'll make the mafia happy), this was still the best game IMO. I think that rb put a lot of thought and time into it, and did a great job. Very much appreciated. :thumbsup:

On a separate note, did ANYONE, either participating or just reading, understand my rationale for thinking that JudgeMax could have been Don?

Also, one of the top 10 mafia moments ever.... Plantling jumping onto the Ogre train after mee-mee, and mee-mee then bailing out. I could almost see Plantling's eyes, as big as saucers, through my monitor. With Z calling out 'Plantling's a mafia list jumper!', followed by mee-mee's backtrack and Plantling standing there like a deer in the headlights, I was almost rolling on the floor laughing....

Great game everyone!

BEST MOMENTS TILL NIGHT EVER!!!!

[Swayde]

Sad to see it end this way. I would have favored KoTD as Mafia over Plantling though, see my last list, I am not just saying that out of hindsight =)

I thoroughly enjoyed the game, even if I did get a bit carried away at times. Jensons, get well hon I didn't mean anything personal by thinking you may have been lying, it's just hard to tell and you didn't do the //game off thingy.

All in all, very fun game. Thank you for running it Rb. I look forward to seeing what Ogre throws at us and I do kinda hope to see you full of fleas and mange for that suspense you tortured us with :P

[Hooked Newbie]

Twice after 5 deaths I asked for "dead" votes but didn't get any.






Sorry Bob. I got caught up in work and totally flaked it. I haven't been reading the thread much lately (I've been dead awhile), but wanted to say THANKS! These games are a blast even if they are quite the commitment! lol I need to skip #7, but I'm looking forward to #8. I think the idea of an "aquarium", instead of a "town" would be very cool! Just make sure it's cycled and don't overstock... ;)

[Cory Lover]

So, what happened? Who was Mafia?

CL

[MikenDanielle]

Sorry Bob. I got caught up in work and totally flaked it. I haven't been reading the thread much lately (I've been dead awhile), but wanted to say THANKS! These games are a blast even if they are quite the commitment! lol I need to skip #7, but I'm looking forward to #8. I think the idea of an "aquarium", instead of a "town" would be very cool! Just make sure it's cycled and don't overstock... ;)



LOL The mysterious deaths could be a nitrate spike is his part of the tank, or Ich,, haha its endless.

[Rbishop]

Sorry Bob. I got caught up in work and totally flaked it. I haven't been reading the thread much lately (I've been dead awhile), but wanted to say THANKS! These games are a blast even if they are quite the commitment! lol I need to skip #7, but I'm looking forward to #8. I think the idea of an "aquarium", instead of a "town" would be very cool! Just make sure it's cycled and don't overstock... ;)


No problem Hooked, was just trying to explain to the players why they didn't see it.

[Rbishop]

So, what happened? Who was Mafia?

CL


See post #2773

[plantling]

Good Game everyone. And thanks for modding RB. Your clues were helpful but really weren't all that clear, so I don't think anyone should have gotten upset about them. I really had to use deductions and research a lot of posts to come up with my Mafia list which was pretty accurate except for JO (Sorry JO, but I did finally have it figured in the end.) And even then, it was frustrating because no one would believe me, not even Mad who I had backed as being innocent since Mike's lynching.

But that moment when Z called me a mafia scum was pretty funny and when mee-mee bailed, I was left hanging for several seconds. I did have a good laugh over dinner, but Ogre was prolly a little miffed. Sorry again Ogre. :o

[Coler]

I'm actually thinking of something along the lines of this:

A bloody coup attempt.

1 person will be President then the rest are split in half. Game ends If/when the President is killed off.

Half the people are gunning for him the other half protecting him. I want to break the bad guys in to 2 groups and they have no knowledge of who is on the other team. So really they can take out each other by accident. Helping the Presidential protectors unwittingly.

I'll have it all worked at by then, that was just a quick idea I've been tossong around.

absolutely has potential...anyone remember Junta ? :D

[Hooked Newbie]

LOL The mysterious deaths could be a nitrate spike is his part of the tank, or Ich,, haha its endless.


Yep. "The Cories finally cohesively school and unite to take down the once feared Oscar in charge"... ;)

[plantling]

And no I would not consider it a draw as we had them figured out in the end and even RB considers us the victors. Even if I were lynched, the townies would have been able to pull it together in the end.

[Coler]

it was an excellent game - thanks for running it rb

wish I had been in it for longer :D

after the last game my strategy was to post a list, any list and insist it was right for day one...I thought I would obviously have innocents on it and I would maybe not be hit...also that the mafia would leave me there as a potential lynch target...I have no idea why I ended up mafia target number one...you shower of cowards :D

(I did figure C stubbs & sploke early though)

[Hooked Newbie]

it was an excellent game - thanks for running it rb

wish I had been in it for longer :D

after the last game my strategy was to post a list, any list and insist it was right for day one...I thought I would obviously have innocents on it and I would maybe not be hit...also that the mafia would leave me there as a potential lynch target...I have no idea why I ended up mafia target number one...you shower of cowards :D

(I did figure C stubbs & sploke early though)


Happy to be in your shadow as #2 (Again). :)


Great game everyone!

[OgreMkV]

Good game team. I survived one... and maybe even contributed. Weeee...

[KingOfTheDeep]

And no I would not consider it a draw as we had them figured out in the end and even RB considers us the victors. Even if I were lynched, the townies would have been able to pull it together in the end.

we had you townies running around like headless chickens until bob gave you the clues and list, please dont take credit for something you could not do. there are at least 6 more people who will agree with me on this :)

RB's clues won you the game.

don't take it personally though :)

[jpappy789]

Happy to be in your shadow as #2 (Again). :)


Great game everyone!

Rule #1 for all future mafia games...can't hit HN or Coler until 3rd night...:)

[Rbishop]

Actually, the mafia quitting at the end had a bigger effect. Guess they can't stand the heat or able to control themselves without someone in charge...

[KingOfTheDeep]

Actually, the mafia quitting at the end had a bigger effect. Guess they can't stand the heat or able to control themselves without someone in charge...

dont be an jerk bob...that post just proves you were for the town, game mods should have NO SAY who wins except at the end ..when the game ends..you had a townie win in mind the whole game, the clues were way to easy to figure out, and seemed to come right in time for the townies, the mafia had this game in the bag before that BS. and whats with leaving mee-mee's name off the second list?, yeah, we caught that.

you say you took out the mayor/detective combo to give the mafia a chance, and then you add a snitch list, AND clues..yeah..that made a lot of sense..

thank you for proving all of the mafias points with that post :)

[Swayde]

You guys came so close to a clean sweep. Dangerdoll and Johnlarson were never in the clues and Charlie got figure out by the detective. I can't see how you can complain about that. Even at the end we were still having trouble making complete sense of those clues, so really, it wasn't the clues that caused you to lose, it was the slip ups that you guys did all on your own.

[Hooked Newbie]

dont be an jerk bob...that post just proves you were for the town, game mods should have NO SAY who wins except at the end ..when the game ends..you had a townie win in mind the whole game, the clues were way to easy to figure out, and seemed to come right in time for the townies, the mafia had this game in the bag before that BS. and whats with leaving mee-mee's name off the second list?, yeah, we caught that.

you say you took out the mayor/detective combo to give the mafia a chance, and then you add a snitch list, AND clues..yeah..that made a lot of sense..

thank you for proving all of the mafias points with that post :)

You say that after EVERYTHING this game was in the mafia's favor? I will give you all credit for your play at the start of the game, but if you couldn't keep it together... Not even bothering to PM? C'mon... Townies won, because the mafia had no discipline. Get over it. Not the first time...

[KingOfTheDeep]

You guys came so close to a clean sweep. Dangerdoll and Johnlarson were never in the clues and Charlie got figure out by the detective. I can't see how you can complain about that. Even at the end we were still having trouble making complete sense of those clues, so really, it wasn't the clues that caused you to lose, it was the slip ups that you guys did all on your own.

im not even going to address this anymore.

Bob, im sorry but i will not be playing any more games that you mod.

[KingOfTheDeep]

You say that after EVERYTHING this game was in the mafia's favor? I will give you all credit for your play at the start of the game, but if you couldn't keep it together... Not even bothering to PM? C'mon... Townies won, because the mafia had no discipline. Get over it. Not the first time...

i PMed bob with my hit, sploke was busy that night and i think jensons did not, she has a tooth problem and could not vote. we decided to resign from this game because we felt it was going on too long and had been compromised, it had nothing to do with the mafia not being "together" or having no discipline. we were completely together in this game, and in our decision to resign.

we were going to take out Z.

i don't expect any innocents to understand as you won.

the game was played well on both sides, but the list and clues is what beat us.

[mee-mee]

I was still alittle confused by the clues...except the east and west thing...kinda figured it was jensons and sploke...sorry ya wont be playing any more of Bob's games King...I was stumped for the longest time...until I hit on DD....

[MikenDanielle]

Tensions are getting high in here.... yikes!

[FireDancer7905]

Hey all! It was a fun game, until the last two days or so. I did pm Judge, and that's how I knew that she was telling the truth. I hate to see people called out and attacked before anyone even thinks to ask them if everything is ok. For the record, I did pm in my last hit request. I was a bit miffed that the it did not go through, as it was not in the rules... And... well... certain palyers said many times that the mafia had to be certian people, who they knew were really, really smart etc. This is insulting to everyone who is playing the game. Just because you can't figure it out doesn't give you the right to insult the intelligence of other players. The "top players" are not the only ones on the board with high IQs, reading abilities etc. I almost quit several times because of this. just had to get that off my chest... Anyway, good game all. I probly won't play again for a bit, 7 in a row was a bit much. Cheers! ~brandy

[Hooked Newbie]

i PMed bob with my hit, sploke was busy that night and i think jensons did not, she has a tooth problem and could not vote. we decided to resign from this game because we felt it was going on too long and had been compromised, it had nothing to do with the mafia not being "together" or having no discipline. we were completely together in this game, and in our decision to resign.

we were going to take out Z.

i don't expect any innocents to understand as you won.

I didn't win. I got taken out and was sure that the mafia would win after the initial onslaught (as I said, I haven't read much lately because I was hit early again). I just think it's pretty bad sportsmanship to call the game mod a "jerk" when they've devoted so much time, thought, and effort into something. Maybe Bob made mistakes (who hasn't) or was trying to prolong the game for everyone's enjoyment. The "I'm gonna take my ball and go home" platform can't possibly be convincing. Just like in the game, if you have an opinion lay it out. Make a case. Talk logically instead of emotionally and maybe your valid points (you may have some) will be seen.

[jpappy789]

The thing that has me confused is that I don't think I voted for a hit after dd was hit. But the hit on mee-mee went through...correct me if I'm wrong rb...

[KingOfTheDeep]

I didn't win. I got taken out and was sure that the mafia would win after the initial onslaught (as I said, I haven't read much lately because I was hit early again). I just think it's pretty bad sportsmanship to call the game mod a "jerk" when they've devoted so much time, thought, and effort into something. Maybe Bob made mistakes (who hasn't) or was trying to prolong the game for everyone's enjoyment. The "I'm gonna take my ball and go home" platform can't possibly be convincing. Just like in the game, if you have an opinion lay it out. Make a case. Talk logically instead of emotionally and maybe your valid points (you may have some) will be seen.


read the post man, i didnt call him a jerk because of what happened in the game, i called him a jerk because of his arrogant responce..and i didn't say YOU won the game..by you i meant the townies. you may think i am being a sore loser, thats fine, the mafia lost, no big deal, i am just frusterated by some of the things that happened in this game, like i said, it was a good game played by both sides. just seemmed to the mafia, that a few things bob did in the game effected the mafia in a bad way

it was BKW's late detective post that killed our plans also.

i appologize if i am coming off as an *ss, i am just venting

[ZSandmann]

i PMed bob with my hit, sploke was busy that night and i think jensons did not, she has a tooth problem and could not vote. we decided to resign from this game because we felt it was going on too long and had been compromised, it had nothing to do with the mafia not being "together" or having no discipline. we were completely together in this game, and in our decision to resign.

we were going to take out Z.

i don't expect any innocents to understand as you won.

the game was played well on both sides, but the list and clues is what beat us.

I understand K, I knew I was dead.

[mee-mee]

Sad to see it end this way. I would have favored KoTD as Mafia over Plantling though, see my last list, I am not just saying that out of hindsight =)

I thoroughly enjoyed the game, even if I did get a bit carried away at times. Jensons, get well hon I didn't mean anything personal by thinking you may have been lying, it's just hard to tell and you didn't do the //game off thingy.

All in all, very fun game. Thank you for running it Rb. I look forward to seeing what Ogre throws at us and I do kinda hope to see you full of fleas and mange for that suspense you tortured us with :P

I knew plantling was an Innocent....she wasnt playing like she did when she was Mafia.....and Swayde for your first game, ya sure were great...and I am glad I did switch back to JL....he had me fooled...but next game no way...I have my blinders off this time.....So now ya can invite plantling over for some of your fresh made lemonade and eclairs that you are going to have air dropped to ya....:)

[johnlarson66]

Good job townies.

The mafia still rocked.

:headbang2:

[KingOfTheDeep]

I understand K, I knew I was dead.

:thumbsup:

[Hooked Newbie]

read the post man, i didnt call him a jerk because of what happened in the game, i called him a jerk because of his arrogant responce..and i didn't say YOU won the game..by you i meant the townies. you may think i am being a sore loser, thats fine, the mafia lost, no big deal, i am just frusterated by some of the things that happened in this game, like i said, it was a good game played by both sides. just seemmed to the mafia, that a few things bob did in the game effected the mafia in a bad way

it was BKW's late detective post that killed our plans also.

i appologize if i am coming off as an *ss, i am just venting


No sweat, been there, done that, had it witnessed by plenty. lol

All I'm saying is to quit for good or call the mod any names in the heat of it is pointless. Just as we all learn and evolve in the game, I suppose the Mods do too. We'll miss you if you don't play... You can be the pleco! :)

[KingOfTheDeep]

No sweat, been there, done that, had it witnessed by plenty. lol

All I'm saying is to quit for good or call the mod any names in the heat of it is pointless. Just as we all learn and evolve in the game, I suppose the Mods do too. We'll miss you if you don't play... You can be the pleco! :)

well, again i didnt call him a jerk in the "heat" of it, his response to me IMO was a bit arrogant and i simply asked him not to be a jerk.

new subject, lets forget about this as it's pointless

[Hooked Newbie]

well, again i didnt call him a jerk in the "heat" of it, his response to me IMO was a bit arrogant and i simply asked him not to be a jerk.

new subject, lets forget about this as it's pointless


Agreed, but it's good for the post count! ;)

[ZSandmann]

Dang you and your hot avatars, it's just not right

[KingOfTheDeep]

lmao

[plantling]

I knew plantling was an Innocent....she wasnt playing like she did when she was Mafia.....and Swayde for your first game, ya sure were great...and I am glad I did switch back to JL....he had me fooled...but next game no way...I have my blinders off this time.....So now ya can invite plantling over for some of your fresh made lemonade and eclairs that you are going to have air dropped to ya....:)
I'm glad you believed in me mee-mee and Swayde. And I think another day would have given me plenty of time to make at least a couple of other townies believe also. I'm not bad at digging up dirt when it's there, and regardless of what anyone says there was dirt there to be dug. Anyhows YAAAAAAAAAAY TOWNIES. And I would love to come have lemonade and enjoy Swayde's goldfish pond. Catch you gals in the warewolf game. MUHAHAHAHA.

[charlie_stubbs]

i would have like to know the reason mee mee was left off the snitch list #2. as i was allowed to repeat one name as per the rules i repeated mee mee to make her look more suspicious. bear in mind i had no idea she was the vig at the time...but mad had just made a brilliant case that would have sealed the deal and got her lynched (no offence mee mee) when the snitch list was released. but to my suprise...no mee mee on the list.....hmmmmm.....

[charlie_stubbs]

it was a game of mafia versus the clues. we deciphed the clues easily, and with opponents like mad, ogre, z even a small clue was enough. IMHO the snitch list was enough presented with the names only, once clues were added it was moderator interference. just my two cents

[jpappy789]

Sumed up our complaint nicely Charlie. I hope none of this is taken offensively rbish as we are grateful that you put all your effort into making this game enjoyable for all of us but honestly...I think the game is getting too confusing now. I know that sounds dumb but there are so many different rules and twists, and while I know that those twists are interesting, I kind of like the old games better. I don't wanna rain on anybody's parade so I'll quit talking...Thanks again, see some of you in 1238 Wroclaw, Poland...*enters imaginary time machine...weeeee!*

[plantling]

I admit the clues were geared to benefit the town, but they were very ambiguous. Yes, we had smart players on the town's side, but they did not have the advantage of knowing who was who as you all on the Mafia side did. And also, remember that there were 7 Mafia and the town had only the detective and no mayor. Let's not blame RB for trying to even things out a bit. And as JL admitted in the Mafia 7 sign up thread, you waited too long to take out BKW who was to me one of the true heroes of the game, coming up with the two names that happened to be on the chopping block. And from that point on, it was downhill for the Mafia because most had already shown their hand. From JL's insisting the vig to shoot the person with the second most votes to DD's coming out and defending JL and KOTD. KOTD showing genuine confusion when I urged Sploke to shoot Jens, etc. Also later JPappy coming out to defend KOTD by trying to discredit mee-mee's list and making that Freudian slip about Swayde, Sploke so eager to take me up on switching votes over to Ogre, Sploke coming to defend KOTD as I was questioning KOTD's weird comments after Nick's death. The peices of the puzzle just fit very nicely. OK, the games over and I hate to belabor things, but there are at least 8 of us that will agree RB's clues were ambiguous. And they were ambiguous to us because we did not have the advantage of knowing who was who. That being said,

I vote to lynch JPappy again and again and again.:silly: :)

[Dangerdoll]

I'm gonna have to say also that the clues played a major part in the town taking over, or at least that is how it seemed. Our clean sweep was completely demolished by them and it seemed as the entire mafia list was out as soon as the clues were deciphered.

[Sploke]

Ok, I had a few issues that I feel should be explained. First, as charlie mentioned, why was mee-mee's name left off the snitch list on the second night? Everyone's suppostion was that the fourth person on the list was either lynched or hit, but that was obviously not the case. So, why did RB decide to cut down the list?

Also, I didn't realize that RB was going to put requirements on the list as far as who the snitch would be able to choose from, but I guess you can chalk that up to unclear rules. I just figured the snitch would be able to choose whatever 4 people he or she chose.

Also, the botched mafia hit was a load of BS, in my opinion. The rules state, if the don is killed, the mafia must pm the GM and he will break any ties in voting. There's no mention of a failed hit if all votes aren't received, or anything close. In contrast, the rules specifically state "you MUST put in a lynch vote." However, there were several times where not everyone did, but there was no penalty, and that wording is a heck of a lot clearer than for the mafia side.

The clues I can get over, I was under the impression that RB was just going to mention the names, not try to cast guilt or innocence through them, but whatever.

In general I just got the feeling that RB made up a bunch of rules, then said "well, I'm just going to kind of follow the ones that I feel like, whatever works out best for the town." It gets very very frustrating when every time you think you have something figured out, it changes to your side's detriment.

In general, I also remember seeing at least a few posts after M5 ended where people were saying things like, the game should be harder, the mafia should be able to win at least 50% of the time, the mafia should get a better chance at winning, etc. Then, the game starts, and some of those people start complaining that the mafia has too much power, the game is stacked, etc. Make up your minds people, you can't have it both ways. If you want the mafia to be able to win, you can't complain about it when you're a townie and losing. In the beginning I thought RB did a good job of evening things up as far as giving the mafia a better chance. Then, as the game went on, people started complaining about that and the town was losing, so he starting tweaking things to help the town. Number one, ok, so if you adjust the rules badly, finish out the game and fix it for next time. Number two, the GM should NEVER take sides like that. The lack of apparent impartiality was what really ruined this game for me, rather than anything being taken personally.

Anyway, I tend to be a very competitive and independent person. I would be pretty upset if I found out after the fact that the only reason I won was that the ref was pulling for my side and kind of helped things along. So, I'd love to hear some clarification from RB on these issues.

[charlie_stubbs]

Ok, I had a few issues that I feel should be explained. First, as charlie mentioned, why was mee-mee's name left off the snitch list on the second night? Everyone's suppostion was that the fourth person on the list was either lynched or hit, but that was obviously not the case. So, why did RB decide to cut down the list?

Also, I didn't realize that RB was going to put requirements on the list as far as who the snitch would be able to choose from, but I guess you can chalk that up to unclear rules. I just figured the snitch would be able to choose whatever 4 people he or she chose.

Also, the botched mafia hit was a load of BS, in my opinion. The rules state, if the don is killed, the mafia must pm the GM and he will break any ties in voting. There's no mention of a failed hit if all votes aren't received, or anything close. In contrast, the rules specifically state "you MUST put in a lynch vote." However, there were several times where not everyone did, but there was no penalty, and that wording is a heck of a lot clearer than for the mafia side.

The clues I can get over, I was under the impression that RB was just going to mention the names, not try to cast guilt or innocence through them, but whatever.

In general I just got the feeling that RB made up a bunch of rules, then said "well, I'm just going to kind of follow the ones that I feel like, whatever works out best for the town." It gets very very frustrating when every time you think you have something figured out, it changes to your side's detriment.

In general, I also remember seeing at least a few posts after M5 ended where people were saying things like, the game should be harder, the mafia should be able to win at least 50% of the time, the mafia should get a better chance at winning, etc. Then, the game starts, and some of those people start complaining that the mafia has too much power, the game is stacked, etc. Make up your minds people, you can't have it both ways. If you want the mafia to be able to win, you can't complain about it when you're a townie and losing. In the beginning I thought RB did a good job of evening things up as far as giving the mafia a better chance. Then, as the game went on, people started complaining about that and the town was losing, so he starting tweaking things to help the town. Number one, ok, so if you adjust the rules badly, finish out the game and fix it for next time. Number two, the GM should NEVER take sides like that. The lack of apparent impartiality was what really ruined this game for me, rather than anything being taken personally.

Anyway, I tend to be a very competitive and independent person. I would be pretty upset if I found out after the fact that the only reason I won was that the ref was pulling for my side and kind of helped things along. So, I'd love to hear some clarification from RB on these issues.
Well said.

[Sploke]

Also, another "clue" I noticed, not sure if anyone else did, was given through the voting records.


to lynch...

swayde DD 1607 jl66 1407 kotd 1417 ogre 1610 zsand 1343

nick sploke 1603 jensons 1661 charlie 1365 mee 1475 nick 1612
joan 1437

dwarf jpap 1596 plant 1598

zsand swayde 1412



Give you a hint, the votes are not in order of post number as you would expect.

[charlie_stubbs]

I wanted to pull down the "Bala" statue the way the Americans pulled down the "Hussein" statue...

[Coler]

I'm going to repeat my thanks to RB for running the game - which was a huge committment.

And I'm going to repeat one of the words from the above sentence : "game"

And finally, with no disrespect intended to anybody, there is a certain amount of bellyaching going on, all from people who enjoyed playing the "'game", which is really a little bit inappropriate...imo only of course.

edit : havn't we thrashed out Mafia Game 6 enough at this stage ?

[Madcrawdad]

I'm going to repeat my thanks to RB for running the game - which was a huge committment.

And I'm going to repeat one of the words from the above sentence : "game"

And finally, with no disrespect intended to anybody, there is a certain amount of bellyaching going on, all from people who enjoyed playing the "'game", which is really a little bit inappropriate...imo only of course.

edit : havn't we thrashed out Mafia Game 6 enough at this stage ?

I was thinking the same thing....if everyone had fun, that's all that really matters. If anyone feels that they were cheated out of a million bucks, by all means, continue to complain. Otherwise, chalk it up as 'just a game,' and let's just move on....

[jpappy789]

Well I want to complain but I don't see the point. You townies aren't even acknowledeging that fact that some of the clues were way in your advantage when this game was supposed to be fair...a 50/50 chance for each side. We tried our best to handle the situation.

[Coler]

its a game

i played for a total of one day

fair ?

no

but its a game

[jpappy789]

I know that...we just feel like we were cheated...but I'm going to stop this because I don't see it going anywhere

[Coler]

I think that's fair enough - the post-game show has run its course lol

[Sploke]

I'm just hoping that by posting some of these apparent problems, we can perhaps discuss how to fix them to minimize improprieties in the future. Its a little bit broader than just whining.

[Swayde]

I'm just not seeing how anyone was cheated. The clues clearly didn't help us out all that much. BKW was a toss up between being detective and don based on clues...everyone else was so hard to figure out and I was actually thinking Plantling was Mafia based on the whole "connected" clue. The first 3 mafia lynched were not even mentiond in the clues, they gave themselves away.

That last day when there was no hit is the only justifiable complaint. You guys should have been given your hit, but I don't think it would have mattered. By then we had ya'll pretty much figured out, and we only really used the clues to justify what we'd come up with via reading your posts (or lack thereof.)

I notice that NONE of the Mafia said OMG it's not fair, those poor townies they've lost several of their people because they quit. **** that sucks, now they are at a real disadvantage. But you didn't hear us complain about it, we just kept on fighting the good fight and hunting down the bad guys.

[joander123]

guys, not a big deal.... yes RB did help us out a little bit, but come on..... people quit on our side and you had 7 members.. thats pretty high.

All in all its not a big deal, its a game... you had us running for the hills if you could have just kept it together at the end of the game.....

[KingOfTheDeep]

I'm just not seeing how anyone was cheated. The clues clearly didn't help us out all that much. BKW was a toss up between being detective and don based on clues...everyone else was so hard to figure out and I was actually thinking Plantling was Mafia based on the whole "connected" clue. The first 3 mafia lynched were not even mentiond in the clues, they gave themselves away.

That last day when there was no hit is the only justifiable complaint. You guys should have been given your hit, but I don't think it would have mattered. By then we had ya'll pretty much figured out, and we only really used the clues to justify what we'd come up with via reading your posts (or lack thereof.)

I notice that NONE of the Mafia said OMG it's not fair, those poor townies they've lost several of their people because they quit. **** that sucks, now they are at a real disadvantage. But you didn't hear us complain about it, we just kept on fighting the good fight and hunting down the bad guys.

17 - 2 = 15

15 townies is still a good number, you were at no disadvantage

if the number was something like..10 townies - 7 mafia..then yeah..disadvantage

[KingOfTheDeep]

guys, not a big deal.... yes RB did help us out a little bit, but come on..... people quit on our side and you had 7 members.. thats pretty high.

All in all its not a big deal, its a game... you had us running for the hills if you could have just kept it together at the end of the game.....


we kept it together the entire game ;)

best group of mafa yet :D

[Rbishop]

I really can't believe this is still being discussed and we haven't moved on. But since some have asked for additional clarification, here goes my final shot. If this doesn't suit you, we will just have to agree to disagree. :)

First of all, there were 3 Innocents who PM'd me to quit. Two met untimely deaths and the third rode a townies lynch train when he stopped posting and or the style of their posting.

Seems everyone wants to blame the clues as being why the Townies were winning and that I was partial or directing the game for a Townie win. You are entitled to your after game speculations, especially those of you who knew who the Innocents were, it is much easier to ride the clues with a single conclusion.

As I said before, a couple of folks commented to me before the game about the....

The Snitch will PM me a list of 4 names, their choosing, whenever I ask. At least one member of this list will be a Mafia member.These names will be worked into the night time story line.

..they suggested just a list. As I explained my intent, they seemed to agree with my plans. All of you could have posed the questions before the game or during the game, but it seems after the game is over, they dislike the rule or or how it was implemented. I never twisted anyone's arm to play. Well, maybe mee-mee's on getting her hubby to join....:). (didn't work though)

But then again, it is very evident that several folks never really read the rules. Wish I could have predicted that, though not sure I should be accused of being impartial for someone not knowing what I was going to do.

I have seen issues here of too many rules and to hard to understand them, and in the same breath..make the rules more definitive. Right.

The moderator is impartial; I use a random number generator, coin toss and pull a number from a bag. I also got to write the clues. A bit one side from a Mafia point of view, but if you go back and read the posts, they led to lots of opposing views to the Innocents.

As for negating the final mafia vote do to no vote from sploke...so be it. If I missed doing the same thing earlier in the game, that's a gain for you as mafia.

I wonder if everybody followed the rules....

..anybody post after death?
..anybody announce in the thread they quit?
..anybody go to another thread and discuss the game before it was over?
..anybody when dead still communicated to the mafia they were part of?
..anybody have serious problems with the rules but fail to discuss them with me via PM until the game is over and the winner declared?


I really feel I have been called a jerk, and in addition it was defined by some that my post was arrogant. It was never meant that way. It was an observation, since no one apparently had the issues until after the game was over and then the Monday morning quarterbacking starts. I guess another thing a mafia game moderator shouldn't do, is state their opinion.

Once again the snitch lists also seem to be a point of contention. For the day 3 (#2 snitch list) I actually got two from the snitch. The first was sploke, jensons, bkw, and ice. The second, sploke, jensons, bkw and mee-mee. After reviewing the entire thread and my notes, I erred and brought the first list over to my spreadsheet vice the second, and wrote the clues. I actually left ice out since he had been hit that night.

But that doesn't change the fact that the only three Mafia named by the snitch in the two lists were kotd, sploke and jensons. The snitch PM'd a third list before it was requested, and stated he would be out for the weekend. He submitted a 2/2 list of jpap/kotd and ogre/joander, but also stated if I required 3 mafia, to pull ogre and put in charlie. If I had used his third list, it would add 2 more mafia names out there, since I had decided the third list would have 3 mafia on it. But I wanted to just use the previous two lists and not add more mafia names out there. I picked plant to add to the list since they had also been mentioned before. By pulling from previous lists I was limiting how many mafia had been mentioned.

This third list was published night #4, the same night the Don learned who the detective was.

Well, that's enough rambling. If anybody has any other questions, please PM me. If it is just to argue the rules or restate what has already been posted please don't.

Thanks once again for a great and entertaining game!:dance:

[johnlarson66]

JAG

Just A Game

Thanks for running it.

The mafia still rocked.

:headbang2:

[wataugachicken]

I think you did a great job, although I know i was just watching the whole time. It wasn't your fault that it went down at the end, I think it dragged on too long somehow and the thoughtful conversation/debate stopped, which killed it.

[plantling]

Thanks again RB. This was the funnest and funniest game I've played so far. I will not hesitate to play again if I've got the time.