Mafia #6.....The Play

[joander123]

i'd say i definitely agree with it, higher numbers lean towards innocent right? or is it mafia..


higher numbers are innocent. Pay attention.

Why are you so quick to definitely agree with it? cause u want me gone cause i accuse you?

[KingOfTheDeep]

higher numbers are innocent. Pay attention.

Why are you so quick to definitely agree with it? cause u want me gone cause i accuse you?

looks like i struck a cord, sweet :dance:

you have an overactive imagination, i agree with it, because these are the people most likely to be mafia.

[Swayde]

The Vigilante...a total wild card...he can kill once per game by sending me a PM at the start of the game night. The Vigilante can be an Innocent or a Mafia, and strike against either.


I think at this time we need to leave Plantling alone, and while it's likely that Mee-Mee is an Innocent, we cannot be 100% sure. The late switch off of Charlie and onto Z has me a little bit worried. I think that in all likelyhood according to the Snitch they are both on the same team.

I agree with your list Z, except for Joander, I never got a mafia vibe from him and him switching off you and going for Charlie was actually the trigger that got me to hop. I think that at this time, Jensons and JL are at the top of my list still. I want to relook, but I know I thought I caught a give-away by JL and I can't ever recall an explanation from him and he has been very silent since then.

[KingOfTheDeep]

I think at this time we need to leave Plantling alone, and while it's likely that Mee-Mee is an Innocent, we cannot be 100% sure. The late switch off of Charlie and onto Z has me a little bit worried. I think that in all likelyhood according to the Snitch they are both on the same team.

I agree with your list Z, except for Joander, I never got a mafia vibe from him and him switching off you and going for Charlie was actually the trigger that got me to hop. I think that at this time, Jensons and JL are at the top of my list still. I want to relook, but I know I thought I caught a give-away by JL and I can't ever recall an explanation from him and he has been very silent since then.


i agree, i get no mafia vibe from jo..im not 100% sure on jensons..but going by bob's clues..something is definitely up, JL has been on my radar, but not enough for me to really suspect anything, PLUS he's on a trip with limited internet access, which makes it harder, a good candidate nontheless

[Madcrawdad]

I think at this time we need to leave Plantling alone, and while it's likely that Mee-Mee is an Innocent, we cannot be 100% sure. The late switch off of Charlie and onto Z has me a little bit worried. I think that in all likelyhood according to the Snitch they are both on the same team.

I agree with your list Z, except for Joander, I never got a mafia vibe from him and him switching off you and going for Charlie was actually the trigger that got me to hop. I think that at this time, Jensons and JL are at the top of my list still. I want to relook, but I know I thought I caught a give-away by JL and I can't ever recall an explanation from him and he has been very silent since then.


Swayde, I initially had the same thought about mee-mee, but look at it this way. If mee-mee were mafia, why hit mafia (which it seems that she's done)? She could have just nailed any innocent and it'd be game over. The fact that we started with 7 mafia and rb showed the count at 7 yesterday tells me that DD had to be mafia unless I'm REALLY overlooking something.

[joander123]

well, its good that KOTD doesnt get a vibe from me either, but this doesnt mean i still dont think hes a tad fishy.

I was never saying the either KOTD or sploke should be high up on anyones list, just kind of in the middle if you ask me.

[joander123]

just a thought, is it possible that somebody who got knocked off early, like Coler or HN or someone was the don, and we just do not know yet?

[KingOfTheDeep]

well, its good that KOTD doesnt get a vibe from me either, but this doesnt mean i still dont think hes a tad fishy.

I was never saying the either KOTD or sploke should be high up on anyones list, just kind of in the middle if you ask me.


i didn't say i got no vibe from you in hopes of you losing any suspicion of me if thats what you are trying to get at..you can call me mafia, or believe i am mafia all you want, that doesn't make me any less of a townie :)

[Madcrawdad]

just a thought, is it possible that somebody who got knocked off early, like Coler or HN or someone was the don, and we just do not know yet?

Coler and HN were mafia hits...seems unlikely (but not impossible) that the mafia would have hit the Don that early and lose the investigations. Also the fact that rb listed the count at 8 town vs. 7 mafia would lead me to believe that DD had to be mafia. I could be overlooking something, though.

[joander123]

well, if the don is revealed as innocent, why would RB give a clue, saying that there was less than 7 mafia (what they started out with?) I dont think its likely, just throwing it out there.

[ZSandmann]

That's the way I was looking at it as well Mad. DD had to be either Don or a secret identity, BUT I thought it would say "not enough information" if it was a secret identity event, maybe that was only on investigations though.

[ZSandmann]

Regardless I am going to assume till I see different that we tipped the scale and there are currently 7 Innocents and 5 Mafia.

[joander123]

that would be what i would assume (will assume) as well. There may be possibilities, but we dont want to overthink/overlook anything either.

[plantling]

Z, I'm sorry if you think I was pulling your strings yesterday. By the time I signed on yesterday morning, I was pretty sure Swayde was also an innocent just as Nick was. I was very alarmed t see 3 votes on her already, which was started by JL who was on my Mafia list:

KOTD
Jensons
JPappy
JoAnd
John Larson
DD
Charlie Stubbs

Then JoAnd throws a vote on you post#1747 and at the time I had Jo equally marked with you as Mafia. Then DD throws her vote on you post#1756 so I start thinking it's another Mafia set up and you could be innocent as well. On post #1785 I tell you I believe you both are innocent and think it's another set up. I then plead with you and several others to help me vote KOTD and hoped Swayde would join also. My fault was that I overestimated how much pple would trust me even though I was listed along with mee-mee in the snitch's list and to me it was obvious we both were innocent. So I posted my list and pleaded with you and Swayde and anyone who would listen to let's find a common point and vote on as it was a do or die night. I didn't think my Mafia list was that far off of everyone else's, but like I said I didn't think pple distrusted me so much either.

And then I think it was you that mentioned possibly voting for BKW and I don't know if anyone caught it but it's post #1796:

OK it's gonna be do or die, so I might as well say that I think BKW is the detective. Just read all his posts and RB's description of him in the second snitch's list. Palm pilot, something a detective might have. And I fear BKW has been otherwise busy because he has not posted and even in RB's description of the detective last night hints that he's away. *Sigh* Does anyone believe anything I say?

I was hoping he would come out soon and have names for us and luckily he did. If you read my posts you will see that I was very happy he did. I first suspected he was detective a few nights ago:


Ogre, I agree with your analysis of Jensons, but I really don't think the Mafia would give us more names than necessary. Sploke and BKW may be townie power roles, just look closely at the clues. I would be more comfortable starting with Jensons. What about you Mad, didn't you think she was a stealth Mafia player at one point? And she voted for Ice two nights, if I'm correct.

I ask you to read Ogre's and my conversation and tell me what you think of his behaviour because it's a little odd to me.

And because I refused to vote Sploke who I thought was the Vig at the time, Ogre called me Mafia. Up until last night I thought Sploke was the Vig and innocent but I don't know if he is an innocent anymore. His not voting for Charlie actually has me wondering about him also, but nothing highly alarming.

So again I'm sorry if you felt I was trying to manipulate you, but I just didn't want the town to lose and was a bit frantic.

[Swayde]

Yes, here is the post...



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Originally Posted by johnlarson66 http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1011825#post1011825)
I have Nick on my list, but really his play the last day has matured. I still do not understand the lack of following ZSandmann's claim of Swayde being mafia.

I still think that either ZSandmann or Swayde are mafia (or even both). What is sad, tomorrow this will not even be talked about. We will be right were we started.

Here is the problem, I think we have to get a mafia on this round. If DP quits and the town lynches an innocent and the mafia lynches an innocent then it will be 7 to 7. I am fairly sure the mafia win.

If the vigilante is for the town, I think it would be wise to take a shot at whoever is in second place on the voting. This game could be over.

Also, has anyone noticed when the game gets intense there is no role playing. Hmmmm.



oh WOW. Did Johnlarson just totally give himself away??!!

Most people thought DP was Mafia. I don't recall ANYONE suggesting he was innocent, but that we just needed to go for more active Mafia...

But, here JL insists that if 2 innocents die to lynch & mafia hit (very likely) then DP's quitting would put us at game off 7/7...Why would JL assume DP was Innocent?

AND THEN he says the Vig should take out the #2 vote getter...well that is me and I have sworn my Innocence to you all and hopefully the townies finally believe me. Which would totally have let the Mafia win because they had DP going down and Nick was shown Innocent and I would have been the 3rd.

I would LOVE to hear what everyone else thinks on this. I would change my vote from Z to JL due to this and any other evidence we can find.

Dangerdoll says this, after I've said I am going to bed (Sorry I never did really explain that Ogre, I did state that I was having tooth problems (abscess & root canal) and I'd imagine between fevers and pain killers my brain did scramble up at times, but I really was going to bed when I said I was).





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Originally Posted by Swayde http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012048#post1012048)
No offense DD, but I believe you are Mafia too, so we'll see what others think.


I can asure you, you are sooo off base. But that is your right, swayde, I'm not entirely convinced you are not so innocent.


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Originally Posted by OgreMkV http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012052#post1012052)
Sway is beginning to persuade me... JohnLarson was on my final list. Keep going...



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Originally Posted by Swayde http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012059#post1012059)
*Swayde heads home with a very heavy heart. She is so sad to see even more Innocent's blood shed on yet another infuriating night in this new town. Why did she choose to come here again? She is glad to have another day with her lovely goldies at least. She hopes that good can still overcome evil, but things are really not looking good. She closes her house up and goes to bed*

Rest in peace Nick and DP. And to all the other Innocents who have perished, I am so sorry we have not been able to avenge your deaths yet.


I find it extremely interesting that you would leave after an explanation is being asked.

And then she says

I meant to say I am not convince you ARE innocent... and this sorta puts weight in that thought.... you sure you're not going invisible?

JL finally makes an appearance





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Originally Posted by OgreMkV http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012052#post1012052)
Sway is beginning to persuade me... JohnLarson was on my final list. Keep going...
Some how I am on "the final list".

I see some of the smoke and mirrors that is going on and it kinda makes me wonder.

We are back to where we were.

There is no reason not to follow ZSandmann. All this other finger pointing is a disperate atempt to muddy the water.

Is there a new and improved "Snitch list" this day? Who else can we throw in the mix to take the pressure off. Why not hear ZSandmann out.

Here is my top three of mafia:

Either Swayde or ZSandmann
Ogre
Mad

Once again, I think we as a town need to lynch one or the other. Swayde or ZSandmann.

I vote to lynch Swayde

Madcrawdad says:


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Originally Posted by OgreMkV http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012052#post1012052)
Sway is beginning to persuade me... JohnLarson was on my final list. Keep going...



I concur....JL was insistent on voting for DP for quite some time. Now he writes him off as innocent?




JL responds:
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Originally Posted by Madcrawdad http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012470#post1012470)
I concur....JL was insistent on voting for DP for quite some time. Now he writes him off as innocent?



If he QUIT I would assume he was innocent. The only way in my list that he would be dead is by quitting. I was posting a concern of mine. At that time Nick was leading the votes. Also at that time, I was fairly sure Nick was not mafia, the main reason is I felt the mafia were loading him with votes and avoiding ZSandmanns declaration that Swayde is mafia and is willing to die for his vote.

So if the town lynched Nick and if DP QUIT and the mafia hit someone, we would be down 3 innocents.

There is no way I thought the mafia would hit DP. Much better targets are OgreMvK, Madcrawdad, ZSandmann, or even myself. As noted by OgreMvK, there seems to be 3 team leaders. Why were they not hit?


And then he says:


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Originally Posted by ZSandmann http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012622#post1012622)
I hope the Townies that remain are watching what's going on here. I offered up my game life if we could unite and lynch Swayde, but once again we got bamboozled and now the lynch train is gearing up against me.



I am freaked out. Still more distractions.

Look folks, I am willing to go along with ZSandmann here. I think as a town we either need to go with him or against him.

There are people that talk about uniting and then start another tangent. This makes no sense.

I think in game 4 madcrawdad put his life on the line for a lynch vote and the players took it serious. Now he is not even acknowledging it.

It is 8 against 7. We can not miss.

Also, why did the mafia hit DP? There seems to be a lot better targets. I was highly suspicious of DP because they talked of quitting and did not quit, but then did not post again, so maybe they had quit late. I was not voting for DP that day nor would have I been for it, due to the unknown status of them.

I was sure of this, if DP stayed in the game they were mafia, if they quit they were innocent.

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.


Madcrawdad says:


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Originally Posted by johnlarson66 http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012652#post1012652)
I am freaked out. Still more distractions.

Look folks, I am willing to go along with ZSandmann here. I think as a town we either need to go with him or against him.

There are people that talk about uniting and then start another tangent. This makes no sense.

I think in game 4 madcrawdad put his life on the line for a lynch vote and the players took it serious. Now he is not even acknowledging it. It's too late in the game for that kind of statement...At this point, the mafia can choose to play very BOLD. They can even all pile their votes on one candidate. If even one townie waivers and votes elsewhere it's game over. Townies, at this point it has to be all or nothing. The vote cannot be split. A onesie vote here or there can break our back.
It is 8 against 7. We can not miss.

Also, why did the mafia hit DP? There seems to be a lot better targets. I was highly suspicious of DP because they talked of quitting and did not quit, but then did not post again, so maybe they had quit late. I was not voting for DP that day nor would have I been for it, due to the unknown status of them.

I was sure of this, if DP stayed in the game they were mafia, if they quit they were innocent.

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.


Madcrawdad says:

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Originally Posted by johnlarson66 http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012673#post1012673)
Was it too late yesterday?



Here's the thing about your ZSand or Swayde argument....why can't they both be innocent?

In game 4, the game ended with Z positive that HN wasn't mafia...so positive he was willing to eat a mousepad if wrong. Sounded good to me as I wasn't sold on HN as mafia either. Ogre, myself, and Z all ended up voting for JPappy then....we were WRONG. Z was wrong, Ogre was wrong, I was wrong. Fortunately enough others were right and HN was lynch as mafia and we won the game. No one can ever be 100% sure.

Your argument that Z is so sure about Swayde, that it should be one or the other holds no water for me...If you are mafia and they are innocent it would be a perfect card for you to play. I can't risk tossing away the town just because you think I should vote for whoever Z says to.

JL says:


Agreed, they both can be innocent.

I wish we would have dealt with this yesterday. Why did we not deal with it yesterday?

I also think there is a difference in offering to eat a mousepad than putting yourself on the line.

Almost half of the town is mafia. I think not putting up just 2 names is going to be the end of the town. I am sure the mafia will have a whole list of names for us to choose from.

JL again:




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Originally Posted by johnlarson66 http://www.aquariacentral.com/style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1012652#post1012652)

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.


After some thought, I retract this part "At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia." That is totally off base.

I also agree that we do not all agree that one of them is mafia. They both could be innocent.

I am leaning that they are both mafia at this time.

I wish we would have dealt with this yesterday.

I say:


Are you calling ZSandmann mafia?

Then vote for him. Why water this down. Why imply someones is mafia and then vote another way.

Maybe you are responding to nick's post. I hope so. Voting for yourself is totally against the town. It serves no purpose. At this point, voting for Nick by anyone (including himself) makes no sense. I am sure you are not calling ZSandmann mafia.

I think we need to either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde. Nick and DP can wait. I am sure we will have more story line and we will not have 7 mafia in town anymore.

Geez, another post by JL sending off alarm bells in my head. I also saw that Nick was making some accusations against JL before people starting hopping onto his train.

Okay, I know this is quite long. I am mostly doing it for myself, to get this stuff in one post so I can reread it easily, but I also hope that maybe someone else can help me see if I am way off base or what. I find it fishy that Dangerdoll was apparently trying to defend JL when it looked like everyone else who commented was suspicious of JL.

[Swayde]

I cant go back and edit, but there is a quote error in the middle where it looks like I am quoting MAd, but it's 2 quotes in a row by JL and I got the quote code in the wrong spot. I am not the greatest at these quote things =/

[plantling]

Also, I thought it was interesting that in post 1754 DD defends KOTD and insinuates I'm Mafia. And shortly after that, KOTD comes out and says he's starting to believe I'm not innocent.

I know DD's status hasn't been confirmed, but I highly believe she is Mafia and even maybe the Don.

[Swayde]

Swayde, I initially had the same thought about mee-mee, but look at it this way. If mee-mee were mafia, why hit mafia (which it seems that she's done)? She could have just nailed any innocent and it'd be game over. The fact that we started with 7 mafia and rb showed the count at 7 yesterday tells me that DD had to be mafia unless I'm REALLY overlooking something.


That is a good point.

[ZSandmann]

I vote to lynch johnlarson66.

I have been quite bad this round at picking out Mafia but you sold me sway. This is preliminary but I want a vote out there so folks can see what's going on.

[Swayde]

I am not as confident as I was, truth be told, my confidence took a nose dive with finding out you are innocent and bkw was too... but I do believe that JL is a very good candidate.

I vote to lynch Johnlarson66

[plantling]

I vote to lynch John Larson

He acts too much like a Mafia moderator and like I've said in an earlier post was just all to eager to take Z up on his offer knowing Swade was innocent.

[ZSandmann]

Well we know we have two Mafia named via snitchs lists.

plantling Vs. KOTD
sploke Vs. Jensons
johnlarson66
jpappy
joander

Those are all my suspects. I think all the remaining Mafia are named in this list. Unless Ogre and/or Mad are playing the best game of Mafia ever. But I really don't suspect either despite the occasional back and forth.

[plantling]

I still don't know why I'm so suspect when I'm the one who tried to tell everyone that BKW was the detective even before he showed up. Yes, I may put too much stock in RB's clues, but I believe in dire times I take all the clues I can get and I've tried to share my thoughts on them, but no one ever seemed to listen. I think RB's description of me is right on. I try to tell everyone what I think is going on, but no one ever seems to hear me.

And Swayde, if you'll remember last night I tried to talk you into voting for Charlie because otherwise the town would lose if they piled their votes up on Z. and to some extent they did. The late night votes by Jenson and Charlie.

But nevermind me, I suppose. *sigh* Is anyone listening to me?

[Swayde]

Well we know we have two Mafia named via snitchs lists.

plantling Vs. KOTD
sploke Vs. Jensons
johnlarson66
jpappy
joander

Those are all my suspects. I think all the remaining Mafia are named in this list. Unless Ogre and/or Mad are playing the best game of Mafia ever. But I really don't suspect either despite the occasional back and forth.


I am curious to see if anyone is willing to defend JL at this point. The evidence against him is pretty damning. And then DD sticking up for him with all her own little slip ups makes it even worse for him. (Or was that intentional, is DD prone to typos and slips? I saw several slip ups by her, like when she made a list of quotes calling Nick mafia and then in the same post voted to lynch me. She did the same thing with CL/DP.)

I would like to know why you think Joander is mafia, because I am not sure on that one and really did think he was innocent. I can see the rest being mafia.

I am going to laugh my arse off if in fact Ogre, Mad & Z have all been innocent because well, it's just so poetic justice like lol. It would certainly explain why none of you were hit and it must have been hilarious for the mafia to see everyone so divided and you 3 unable to get anything substantial going.

[plantling]

Mee-mee, according to the clues Bkw and his palm pilot, I really think he is the detective. I've been trying to get pple to believe it and he's investigated Z and Swayde and they are both innocents.

That gives us a good base of known innocents:
BKW, Z, Swayde, Mad, mee-mee, and plantling. And I believe Ogre and Sploke are innocent. I looked over their threads and they are helpful players.

Please Swayde. Go back and read RB's narration of the second snitch list. BKW is holding a palm pilot. Usually used for storing info, and what other power role would need that. We need you to vote Charlie or the Mafia will line up behind Z and we will lose another townie. Put petty differences behind you 'cause we have real Mafia to tend to.
Here's me trying to tell mee-mee and swayde to vote charlie but I think mee-mee may have already gone to bed.

[Swayde]

I still don't know why I'm so suspect when I'm the one who tried to tell everyone that BKW was the detective even before he showed up. Yes, I may put too much stock in RB's clues, but I believe in dire times I take all the clues I can get and I've tried to share my thoughts on them, but no one ever seemed to listen. I think RB's description of me is right on. I try to tell everyone what I think is going on, but no one ever seems to hear me.

And Swayde, if you'll remember last night I tried to talk you into voting for Charlie because otherwise the town would lose if they piled their votes up on Z. and to some extent they did. The late night votes by Jenson and Charlie.

But nevermind me, I suppose. *sigh* Is anyone listening to me?


I just dont even want to think about you and KoTD at this point to be honest. I have had you both pegged as mafia at some point.

[ZSandmann]

I still don't know why I'm so suspect when I'm the one who tried to tell everyone that BKW was the detective even before he showed up. Yes, I may put too much stock in RB's clues, but I believe in dire times I take all the clues I can get and I've tried to share my thoughts on them, but no one ever seemed to listen. I think RB's description of me is right on. I try to tell everyone what I think is going on, but no one ever seems to hear me.

And Swayde, if you'll remember last night I tried to talk you into voting for Charlie because otherwise the town would lose if they piled their votes up on Z. and to some extent they did. The late night votes by Jenson and Charlie.

But nevermind me, I suppose. *sigh* Is anyone listening to me?

I'm listening

[ZSandmann]

I am curious to see if anyone is willing to defend JL at this point. The evidence against him is pretty damning. And then DD sticking up for him with all her own little slip ups makes it even worse for him. (Or was that intentional, is DD prone to typos and slips? I saw several slip ups by her, like when she made a list of quotes calling Nick mafia and then in the same post voted to lynch me. She did the same thing with CL/DP.)

I would like to know why you think Joander is mafia, because I am not sure on that one and really did think he was innocent. I can see the rest being mafia.

I am going to laugh my arse off if in fact Ogre, Mad & Z have all been innocent because well, it's just so poetic justice like lol. It would certainly explain why none of you were hit and it must have been hilarious for the mafia to see everyone so divided and you 3 unable to get anything substantial going.

Because if Joander isn't Mafia Ogre or Mad one has to be. Assuming the snitch only named one Mafia in the first and second list and two in the third list.

[plantling]

KOTD, if you're a townie, vote for Charlie. Will it help if I say PLEASE. :) polly not.

Here's me trying to see if KOTD will vote for Charlie

And Swayde, posts 1933 and 1934 were to help explain things to you that you had wanted explained and to reassure you that if you voted Charlie, the town would have at least a couple more days. Did KOTD ever try to qualm your fears? Or perhaps you never even cared to read my posts.

And Mad, I can't believe that you don't believe me a bit when I've tried to let others know you were innocent per the RB clue about you ever since it was posted. And I've reposted it a few times when it seemed necessary but I guess you didn't ever notice either. Remember that I never voted for you as I believed both you and Mike were innocent. But I guess that doesn't even count to you.

[Swayde]

Because if Joander isn't Mafia Ogre or Mad one has to be. Assuming the snitch only named one Mafia in the first and second list and two in the third list.


Gotcha

[Swayde]

Here's me trying to see if KOTD will vote for Charlie

And Swayde, posts 1933 and 1934 were to help explain things to you that you had wanted explained and to reassure you that if you voted Charlie, the town would have at least a couple more days. Did KOTD ever try to qualm your fears? Or perhaps you never even cared to read my posts.

And Mad, I can't believe that you don't believe me a bit when I've tried to let others know you were innocent per the RB clue about you ever since it was posted. And I've reposted it a few times when it seemed necessary but I guess you didn't ever notice either. Remember that I never voted for you as I believed both you and Mike were innocent. But I guess that doesn't even count to you.


I did read every word, I was just really conflicted and didn't know who or what to believe.

[plantling]

And on Ogre, I think he is Mafia. He turned on Mad suddenly at one point in the game and again right before Nick's lynchings, he said that if Nick were innocent Mad and Plantling will have some answering to do. And after the lynching I read where Swayde was being harassed and was a bit tee'd as to how she was being treate. So I made a post to the effect that I didn't want anyone starting any unconstructive arguments with me, because I was going to go find clues for my list which I urged all the townies to do.

It's like I think he's alright at times then he just turns on you. Mad, don't you get the same feelings from Ogre?

[ZSandmann]

Earlier joander agreed with my list and voted for jpappy. Fair enough. I am curious Jo of what your read on jl is. Not asking you to vote just want to know how you interpret their game thus far.

[plantling]

OKAY, I have a wild theory but does anyone else think Judge could be the Mafia Don and DD a Mafia hidden identity? Is that possible?

[ZSandmann]

Anything at this point is possible but I think Judge had a legit real life emergency and had to withdraw. I think she was just an Innocent.

[Swayde]

And on Ogre, I think he is Mafia. He turned on Mad suddenly at one point in the game and again right before Nick's lynchings, he said that if Nick were innocent Mad and Plantling will have some answering to do. And after the lynching I read where Swayde was being harassed and was a bit tee'd as to how she was being treate. So I made a post to the effect that I didn't want anyone starting any unconstructive arguments with me, because I was going to go find clues for my list which I urged all the townies to do.

It's like I think he's alright at times then he just turns on you. Mad, don't you get the same feelings from Ogre?


Eh, I was never tee'd about how I was treated. I was very frustrated that it seemed like very few people believed in my innocence. I was frustrated that no matter how many times I asked, nobody was ever able to give a good reason for voting for me. The best (and only) I heard was the OMGUSV. But that was dropped a long time ago.

[plantling]

Oh, I meant I was teed how you were being treated.

[KingOfTheDeep]

looks like plantling is in an all out last ditch effort to save herself..trying desperately to get swayde and the rest of the townies to see me as mafia, and her as innocent.

classic mafia move.

[ZSandmann]

I haven't made up my mind yet between you two, which is why I'm going for what I hope is a more solid candidate. But I can't wait for Round 2: sploke v. Jensons

[plantling]

KOTD, I got the feeling you weren't too pleased when BKW showed up. You even called him a bad detective. That wasn't very nice. I think he found just the names we needed, Z and Swayde to save us just in time.

[Madcrawdad]

Guys, I must admit that I was a little too quick to jump to the conclusion that DD was Don. Something that Ogre, Joander and Plantling had said earlier (although Plantling was much earlier) has been nagging at me today.

I've included this quote from rb showing the lynches on Night 2. On night 2 we lost 4 innocents. 1 lynched (MikenDanielle), 1 hit by mafia (Hooked Newbie), and 2 quit (JudgeMax and Clown Lover). One of these players was the Don... Never pegged Mike for Don by the very loud game he played. It's unlikely that HN was the Don as why would the mafia give up the investigations? JudgeMax or Clown Lover was probably the Don, IMO...I'm thinking likely Judge, but can't be positive.

If you look at rb's description of Don on at the Night 2 lynching, you'll see the description of the Don, "and the Don is reposed, but smug, but not in an outwardly fashion." Now go find an online dictionary and do a search for repose/reposed, you'll get a couple definitions, one of them being "to lie dead." See where I'm going here...Don was gone on Night 2.

Bala Shark looks down at the Townies assembled before him. They seem to be gathered together in unity, or is it the calm before the storm? Sometimes it is nice to be a solid object, firm and immovable, not swayed by winds of thoughts, possibly to be led astray. No need to re-examine the issues, though I think many will, tomorrow....Bala observes.....


The Town Lynch....

Miken lays trapped on the stretcher, much as pregnant molly in too small of a breeder's net. You can run but you can't hide. Regardless of the stress induced or by what means, it is close to the end. Despite some better thoughts on what not to do, the fate is unstoppable. The chlorine will gas off, correct? Just a little bit of short term discomfort...?

It appears not....Miken is gone, as they wished, but the means are of the ones in control.....


Miken was just an INNOCENT...


The Mafia prowl....

The Townies have retired, not pleased with having not found a Mafia member, but some not really upset over it all. Kind of like, "hey I gave you some advice, you ignored it", something many newbies hear at ACville.

They head out to the edges of the town, to one of the less vocal members as of recent times. The door is open even at this hour and in a climate that usually harbors mistrust in ACville.

The dispatch is quick and without much pre-meditation....no real reason....?
Or just fulfilling the role...? Making a wild guess....?

None of above matter to the victim. They pass from ACville for game #6. Just as the missing otto is never found.


Hooked Newbie was just an Innocent...


The Night rolls on....


judgemax wishes things were better. The Town needs help, but personal issues come first. They know the thoughts of all ACville's residents are with them.


judgemax was just an Innocent...



Seems things are rough for the Townies in this round. Way too much infighting and not just keeping things on the issue vice the people. In a mad dash to freedom and hopefully better times, clown-lover jumps from the tank.



clown-lover was just an Innocent...


As Day #3 unfolds....


Bala looks down at the dimenished crowd, wondering how the overnight events will change the town. Appears a lot of recalculations will have to be done, by all....

The Doctor scans the crowd and ponders how things could be different. And the Don is reposed, but smug, but not in an outwardly fashion. The Detective seems in deep thought over recent knowledge and how best to use it.

Can things get better for the Innocent Townies...? The ACville population is now at 19, and the five lost ones are all Innocents.




The folks head out for Day #3.......





No one seems to look closely at Bala....such a common figure, often overlooked by those that frequent here.....

Mee-mee and plantling look over their shoulders before rounding a corner to their jobs. They both have a thought as independent and connected as things can be, that the Bala has turned to look at them.

Which is just as weird as the thoughts of KOTD who swears the Bala turned but wrote it off to imagination. Something that seems to run free here in ACville.

Madcraw observes all of the above, and has the single thought of review posts and find the lies.



Game on....



This quote from rb, all but confirms that we've already hit mafia. Even though townies think that they haven't yet hit mafia, on morning of Day 4 rb gives the count 10 townies vs. 7, but says that at this rate, game could end on Night 6. The numbers don't jive if we haven't hit mafia already....right? The fact that none of the previous nights ever revealed a secret mafia identity means it HAD to be the Don who was gone.

A restless night for the true Townies. They realize that the lynching of Ice is a big blow and not all the votes would have been Mafia. Some of them are as much to blame as the folks they are trying to exterminate from their town.

Bala looks down, (facing the sunrise...? he always observed the sunset before...?), eavesdropping on the small groups as they start to head out on their tasks.

Sploke appears to be mumbling to himself, as he walks off, with a slight spring to his steps.

bkw, viewing his palm pilot, walking with purpose, in a different direction.

Jensons, sitting on a nearby bench, watching the activity in a Town that now ressembles a whirlpool forming at the sink drain.


17 Townies remain....10 Innocents and 7 Mafia.

Night 6 could be the deciding Night, at this rate of Innocent demise.


Day 4..Game On...next Night fall...Saturday, 7/28, 8 PM EST


With all of that said, I still liked DD for mafia. The fact that rb described her as 'peacefully sleeping' or something like that leads me to believe that she is possibly secret identity mafia. We won't know until tomorrow night. We do need to be careful with mee-mee, though. While I do believe that she's an innocent, I'm not as positive yet (although I suspect it) that DD is mafia. Until we know that DD IS mafia, let's not clear mee-mee 100%, as rb states that the vigilante can be innocent OR mafia.

At any rate, the good news is that townies could really be ahead 7 vs. 4 at this point....at least 7 vs. 5 for sure.

[joander123]

Earlier joander agreed with my list and voted for jpappy. Fair enough. I am curious Jo of what your read on jl is. Not asking you to vote just want to know how you interpret their game thus far.

i do not mind a JL lynch at this point, but JL hasnt posted in a while, neither has jpap.

Either one of them i am game for, and i think they are both mafia to be honest. But, id rather stick to jpappy to be honest, just because i feel there is a stronger case for jpap as mafia, rather than JL... although cases could be made either way.

[plantling]

I hate to say it, but I think I agree with Sway. Nick wouldn't be my first or second choice.

I guess we'll see tonight. If Nick is innocent, then plantling and Mad have some explaining to do. If nick is mafia, then we have to still find the next one.

Looks like more and more people are thinking my list is not accurate. We'll see who the mafia hit tonight.
This is the post I was talking about. Swayde was also innocent so it wouldn't have mattered, Ogre. You would have put all the blame on Z's if it had gone that way. Then with enough following even some townies, it would have been game over.

[joander123]

Guys, I must admit that I was a little too quick to jump to the conclusion that DD was Don. Something that Ogre, Joander and Plantling had said earlier (although Plantling was much earlier) has been nagging at me today.

I've included this quote from rb showing the lynches on Night 2. On night 2 we lost 4 innocents. 1 lynched (MikenDanielle), 1 hit by mafia (Hooked Newbie), and 2 quit (JudgeMax and Clown Lover). One of these players was the Don... Never pegged Mike for Don by the very loud game he played. It's unlikely that HN was the Don as why would the mafia give up the investigations? JudgeMax or Clown Lover was probably the Don, IMO...I'm thinking likely Judge, but can't be positive.

If you look at rb's description of Don on at the Night 2 lynching, you'll see the description of the Don, "and the Don is reposed, but smug, but not in an outwardly fashion." Now go find an online dictionary and do a search for repose/reposed, you'll get a couple definitions, one of them being "to lie dead." See where I'm going here...Don was gone on Night 2.


This quote from rb, all but confirms that we've already hit mafia. Even though townies think that they haven't yet hit mafia, on morning of Day 4 rb gives the count 10 townies vs. 7, but says that at this rate, game could end on Night 6. The numbers don't jive if we haven't hit mafia already....right? The fact that none of the previous nights ever revealed a secret mafia identity means it HAD to be the Don who was gone.


With all of that said, I still liked DD for mafia. The fact that rb described her as 'peacefully sleeping' or something like that leads me to believe that she is possibly secret identity mafia. We won't know until tomorrow night. We do need to be careful with mee-mee, though. While I do believe that she's an innocent, I'm not as positive yet (although I suspect it) that DD is mafia. Until we know that DD IS mafia, let's not clear mee-mee 100%, as rb states that the vigilante can be innocent OR mafia.

At any rate, the good news is that townies could really be ahead 7 vs. 4 at this point....at least 7 vs. 5 for sure.



i was a bit afraid of something like this happening. With everyone so excited and jumping all over the fact that she was probably the don. We still may have the don amongst us.

But really, thats not a huge deal is it.. i mean relatively speaking they are just another mafia, and we need to go 100% with the lynches from here on out anyways.

[plantling]

Mad, that would explain why some were so po'd about voting Judge off. That's what I was thinking. Z, you were in the thick of that argument. Waht do you think?

[KingOfTheDeep]

KOTD, I got the feeling you weren't too pleased when BKW showed up. You even called him a bad detective. That wasn't very nice. I think he found just the names we needed, Z and Swayde to save us just in time.

still trying to make me look bad.

i was very frusterated with the town yesterday, bkw was not a bad detective, but he was not a great one. there still is no real guarantee that z or swayde isn't the don

[plantling]

I happen to think you know who the don is. Care to share?

[KingOfTheDeep]

Guys, I must admit that I was a little too quick to jump to the conclusion that DD was Don. Something that Ogre, Joander and Plantling had said earlier (although Plantling was much earlier) has been nagging at me today.

I've included this quote from rb showing the lynches on Night 2. On night 2 we lost 4 innocents. 1 lynched (MikenDanielle), 1 hit by mafia (Hooked Newbie), and 2 quit (JudgeMax and Clown Lover). One of these players was the Don... Never pegged Mike for Don by the very loud game he played. It's unlikely that HN was the Don as why would the mafia give up the investigations? JudgeMax or Clown Lover was probably the Don, IMO...I'm thinking likely Judge, but can't be positive.

If you look at rb's description of Don on at the Night 2 lynching, you'll see the description of the Don, "and the Don is reposed, but smug, but not in an outwardly fashion." Now go find an online dictionary and do a search for repose/reposed, you'll get a couple definitions, one of them being "to lie dead." See where I'm going here...Don was gone on Night 2.


This quote from rb, all but confirms that we've already hit mafia. Even though townies think that they haven't yet hit mafia, on morning of Day 4 rb gives the count 10 townies vs. 7, but says that at this rate, game could end on Night 6. The numbers don't jive if we haven't hit mafia already....right? The fact that none of the previous nights ever revealed a secret mafia identity means it HAD to be the Don who was gone.


With all of that said, I still liked DD for mafia. The fact that rb described her as 'peacefully sleeping' or something like that leads me to believe that she is possibly secret identity mafia. We won't know until tomorrow night. We do need to be careful with mee-mee, though. While I do believe that she's an innocent, I'm not as positive yet (although I suspect it) that DD is mafia. Until we know that DD IS mafia, let's not clear mee-mee 100%, as rb states that the vigilante can be innocent OR mafia.

At any rate, the good news is that townies could really be ahead 7 vs. 4 at this point....at least 7 vs. 5 for sure.


hm, you may be on to somthing there..good work!

[KingOfTheDeep]

I happen to think you know who the don is. Care to share?

no idea who the don is

[Madcrawdad]

Mad, that would explain why some were so po'd about voting Judge off. That's what I was thinking. Z, you were in the thick of that argument. Waht do you think?

I was thinking the same thing...also notice that one player may have tipped her hand by stating that she was 'in the know' as to why Judge had to pull out...

[KingOfTheDeep]

I was thinking the same thing...also notice that one player may have tipped her hand by stating that she was 'in the know' as to why Judge had to pull out...

and who was that?

[Swayde]

still trying to make me look bad.

i was very frusterated with the town yesterday, bkw was not a bad detective, but he was not a great one. there still is no real guarantee that z or swayde isn't the don


How about the game would be over?

[plantling]

Jensons did, as I remember. And at first it makes her look like a good townie but now....

[Swayde]

I really don't think that RB would list the Don after they were dead in a sentence with obviously living power roles, the Doc/Det. I read it that they are both still active and doing their jobs. It's even prefaced by "Bala looks down at the dimenished crowd, wondering how the overnight events will change the town. Appears a lot of recalculations will have to be done, by all...."

[KingOfTheDeep]

How about the game would be over?

huh?

[plantling]

That's the only thing that held me back from thinking Ogre was Mafia. He was acting like it would hurt us not to gather info from lynching active players as opposed to Judge who I think they hoped would make a recovery before too late.

[joander123]

well, luckily we have a little while before we decide who really to vote for.

JL or Jpap in my opinion. They seem like the best too. Like i said, ill go either way, whatever everyone else thinks.

[joander123]

just thinking too though, they havent posted in a while, might they die on there own for the not posting thing?

[KingOfTheDeep]

well, luckily we have a little while before we decide who really to vote for.

JL or Jpap in my opinion. They seem like the best too. Like i said, ill go either way, whatever everyone else thinks.

i think jensons or sploke would be better choices..both are named in the snitch list...

[Swayde]

huh?


IF Z or I was the don, the game would be over. It would be tied at 6/6.

[Madcrawdad]

Guys, I think I've got Jensons on the run...

Here she comes out against the 'let's lynch Judge' plan. No biggie, I did, too.

How does voting for judge help the town? If too many people jump on that train, then go to bed, then she posts, we may lose a valuable townie. I am hesitant to throw in for mike, he seems to just be a real, real big newb. Maybe he's just read one to many crime novels. :) But, i dunno. I'm not feeling much of a case for Swayde or DP either, but my feelings proved to be pretty useless last game. I'm holding off voting until later tonight. ~brandy

Here Judge pulls herself from the game. Doesn't appear to be anything horrible happening, although I don't know. She says she doesn't have time to play. Bye, Judge...We'll see you next time.

I am sorry, I am going to have to pull myself from this game, I just can't find enough time to play , I wish you all luck! I will look forward to playing 7! ~julz

Now Jensons knows why Judge has left....HOW? PMing each other? Unless they're mafia, players aren't allowed to do that, are they?

Ok, I know that JudgeMax will not "magically reappear" in the game. She told me what is going on, and she really needs to concentrate on things at home right now. Send happy thoughts her way. :) As for who to vote for, well I'm just not sure. I think that Mad is playing oddly, but that may just be Coler's influence. I still think MikenD is innocent, if not my favorite player. I don't know what to make of Ogre, I am leaning innocent. Ice is setting off my mafia-meter. I just don't like the tone of his posts. I vote to lynch IceH2O. ~brandy

Guys I think we should strongly consider Jensons as a lynch candidate for this night!

[Swayde]

The Secret Identity…one or more townies who befall a lynch/hit will not have their special role revealed until the night after their death. Limit of two times that this will be done.


Am I correct in assuming that if someone had a secret identity (Doctor, Vig, Det, Don, Snitch) when they die it would show Innocent (for doc, det, maybe vig) and mafia (for snitch maybe vig) and then 2 nights later it would be revealed for example "Oh by the way, Coler was the Vigilante"

So let's see here. BKW really was the Detective, IceH20 was really the Doctor, Charlie was really the Snitch...that leaves the Vigilante & Don as the only uncovered roles. The Vigilante is obviously IN THE GAME as of last night because they made a hit. Unless I am totally off my rocker...DD HAD to be the Don or the game would be over because the townies and mafia would be tied.

[KingOfTheDeep]

Guys, I think I've got Jensons on the run...

Here she comes out against the 'let's lynch Judge' plan. No biggie, I did, too.


Here Judge pulls herself from the game. Doesn't appear to be anything horrible happening, although I don't know. She says she doesn't have time to play. Bye, Judge...We'll see you next time.


Now Jensons knows why Judge has left....HOW? PMing each other? Unless they're mafia, players aren't allowed to do that, are they?


Guys I think we should strongly consider Jensons as a lynch candidate for this night!

you can PM people while you are playing..just cannot PM about things regarding the game.

[joander123]

the secret identity can be just a normal mafia too, cant it?

[KingOfTheDeep]

Am I correct in assuming that if someone had a secret identity (Doctor, Vig, Det, Don, Snitch) when they die it would show Innocent (for doc, det, maybe vig) and mafia (for snitch maybe vig) and then 2 nights later it would be revealed for example "Oh by the way, Coler was the Vigilante"

So let's see here. BKW really was the Detective, IceH20 was really the Doctor, Charlie was really the Snitch...that leaves the Vigilante & Don as the only uncovered roles. The Vigilante is obviously IN THE GAME as of last night because they made a hit. Unless I am totally off my rocker...DD HAD to be the Don or the game would be over because the townies and mafia would be tied.

read mads post about DD possibly NOT being the don..

[Swayde]

the secret identity can be just a normal mafia too, cant it?


But being Mafia is not a "Special Role" anymore than being an Innocent.

[Swayde]

read mads post about DD possibly NOT being the don..


The point is...THE DON CANNOT BE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW. It's impossible.

[Swayde]

Am I totally misunderstanding the rules?

[ZSandmann]

Mad, that would explain why some were so po'd about voting Judge off. That's what I was thinking. Z, you were in the thick of that argument. Waht do you think?

I still think my logic made sense. :D It's a numbers game and I was playing the numbers.

[Madcrawdad]

you can PM people while you are playing..just cannot PM about things regarding the game.

Possibly, I wouldn't do it (PMing)...but I'll let others weigh in. If others don't want to go there, maybe we won't.

[Swayde]

I thought PM's non-game related were okay.

[plantling]

I am more sure of Jensons than JL. Swayde, Z's, and Jo? sorry jo I thought you were Mafia.

[KingOfTheDeep]

I thought PM's non-game related were okay.

they are, to my understanding

[Swayde]

I am more sure of Jensons than JL. Swayde, Z's, and Jo? sorry jo I thought you were Mafia.


On what grounds? She hasn't posted anything new.

[plantling]

OK, so if Judge and DD and Charlie are gone then that only leaves us 4 Mafia. We should think about naming our top 4?

[ZSandmann]

Guys, I think I've got Jensons on the run...

Here she comes out against the 'let's lynch Judge' plan. No biggie, I did, too.


Here Judge pulls herself from the game. Doesn't appear to be anything horrible happening, although I don't know. She says she doesn't have time to play. Bye, Judge...We'll see you next time.


Now Jensons knows why Judge has left....HOW? PMing each other? Unless they're mafia, players aren't allowed to do that, are they?


Guys I think we should strongly consider Jensons as a lynch candidate for this night!

I did but no one else was ready yet :D
Jensons, jappy, jl are all viable to me and worth discussion.

[joander123]

planting, why are u apologizing, are you changing your opinion on me or what?



also, someone clear this up here for me, the secret identity has to be a special role? It cant just be a normal mafia?? i was under that impression that a mafia was a special role, but maybe not?

[Swayde]

OK, so if Judge and DD and Charlie are gone then that only leaves us 4 Mafia. We should think about naming our top 4?


That makes no sense.

[plantling]

I had you on my list of Mafia, but I'm getting a better read now, I hope.

[ZSandmann]

Doesn't matter if DD was the Don or if JM or CL#2 were the Don, they were obviously killed at some point during the game for the game to be still going on. We shouldn't get hung up on this though, we should focus on who is still alive and Mafia. Tomorrow Night we will know if DD was a Secret Identity. If not the Don is dead.

[ZSandmann]

Am I totally misunderstanding the rules?

Nope you are at the same logical point I am Sway

[Madcrawdad]

planting, why are u apologizing, are you changing your opinion on me or what?



also, someone clear this up here for me, the secret identity has to be a special role? It cant just be a normal mafia?? i was under that impression that a mafia was a special role, but maybe not?

that would be my impression...general mafia would apply.

The doc was lynched and appeared as 'Doc'
The snitch was lynched and appeared as 'Snitch'
The Don is dead and appeared innocent as per the rules

Who else would the special character rule apply to but the vig and mafia?

[Swayde]

Quote:
The Secret Identity…one or more townies who befall a lynch/hit will not have their special role revealed until the night after their death. Limit of two times that this will be done.


The special role part is what jumps out at me. At first it did seem like any townie could have a secret identity, but that clearly states that their special role would not be revealed.

And anyhow, if I misunderstand it, there have been NO "Not enough conclusive evidence" deaths.

I would really like to know if I misunderstand this rule or not, please.

[plantling]

My top 3:

KOTD
Jensons
John Larson

[ZSandmann]

Z's Top 4 Mafia-O-Rama

Jensons
Jpappy
johnlarson66
(joander plantling sploke KOTD all tied)

[Swayde]

that would be my impression...general mafia would apply.

The doc was lynched and appeared as 'Doc'
The snitch was lynched and appeared as 'Snitch'
The Don is dead and appeared innocent as per the rules

Who else would the special character rule apply to but the vig and mafia?

The Doctor, the Detective, the Don....you know the "special roles".... I am really starting to wonder about you people, why would mafia be considered a special role when the whole game is about Innocent vs. Mafia?

[Swayde]

1. JohnLarson
2. Jensens
3. Sploke

[ZSandmann]

Sway: Let's just move on to who we suspect is Mafia and hope RB will clarify. I too would not consider Mafia a special role but we just do not know and there is no point in working ourselves up over it.

[OgreMkV]

Secret identity could mean that DD was mafia/Don AND/OR it could mean that anyone killed last night could be mafia. I think that Nick or DP could also have been choices.

Either way, we have a chance. Let's keep focused on good mafia choices. We MIGHT have a extra day, but we might not too.

Am I thinking that this is the current (extant) mafia list:
JohnLarsons
Jensons
Joander vs. me. vs. Madcrawdad
jpappy
sploke vs. Plantling

[ZSandmann]

Sway in my opinion only one of the two of Jensons and sploke are Mafia. Do you have a feeling on which one you prefer of the two?

[Swayde]

I think Johnlarson is a good choice for tonight. I need to read up on some of the others still.

[ZSandmann]

If we are 7-5 over the Mafia...
We must select a Mafia member on the next Night to keep the game going. And then we really have to pick them all the rest of the way out, this is going to be very tough.

[ZSandmann]

I'm happy with jl66 as well.

[OgreMkV]

Ogre's Suspect List:

Jensons
sploke
JohnLarson

[ZSandmann]

Let's not forget "Dead Men Tell Tales" is still a viable option to occur.

[Madcrawdad]

Doesn't matter if DD was the Don or if JM or CL#2 were the Don, they were obviously killed at some point during the game for the game to be still going on. We shouldn't get hung up on this though, we should focus on who is still alive and Mafia. Tomorrow Night we will know if DD was a Secret Identity. If not the Don is dead.

Disagree with you somewhat, Z....if not a secret identity tomorrow night, DD was probably an innocent. In which case we can't then clear mee-mee as 100% innocent. She may still be, we just can't be certain.

With that said, I agree that this may not be the time to get hung up on it...

[joander123]

i still see myself on lists, and i understand... just because there are still 5 mafia left. But i dont understand why i personally would be anywhere near a top suspect.

I dont think i have done anything to put me up there really, besides maybe not being so active in the beginning (busy with baseball, which im sure most of you wont believe anyways), and the fact that i started a train on Z. But i hopped off the train, and the train stopped before it reached its destination, so does that really make me that bad of a guy?

[joander123]

Disagree with you somewhat, Z....if not a secret identity tomorrow night, DD was probably an innocent. In which case we can't then clear mee-mee as 100% innocent. She may still be, we just can't be certain.

With that said, I agree that this may not be the time to get hung up on it...


also, if DD doesnt show up with secret identity... i think we should doubt her for the don (odds are low) and look into mee-mee (as the vig can be either mafia, or innocent, it all depends.)

[Swayde]

Does anyone have all of RB's messages from the Snitch handy in one spot that they could post it, if not I'll go back and do it. I want to read all 3 together at once.

[Madcrawdad]

Does anyone have all of RB's messages from the Snitch handy in one spot that they could post it, if not I'll go back and do it. I want to read all 3 together at once.

just do an advanced search on 'mafia' with 'rbishop' as poster...make sure to look at the results by 'post' instead of 'thread'. makes it a little easier than searching thru the whole thread

[Swayde]

just do an advanced search on 'mafia' with 'rbishop' as poster...make sure to look at the results by 'post' instead of 'thread'. makes it a little easier than searching thru the whole thread


Wow thank you! Wish someone had told me that about 2,000 posts ago lol!

[OgreMkV]

I think I did that, but I didn't include last night's yet.

[Swayde]

Okay, here are the Snitch reports from RB for each night. (Sorry it took me so long, I got a phone call)



Night 2

No one seems to look closely at Bala....such a common figure, often overlooked by those that frequent here.....

Mee-mee and plantling look over their shoulders before rounding a corner to their jobs. They both have a thought as independent and connected as things can be, that the Bala has turned to look at them.

Which is just as weird as the thoughts of KOTD who swears the Bala turned but wrote it off to imagination. Something that seems to run free here in ACville.

Madcraw observes all of the above, and has the single thought of review posts and find the lies.




Night 3

A restless night for the true Townies. They realize that the lynching of Ice is a big blow and not all the votes would have been Mafia. Some of them are as much to blame as the folks they are trying to exterminate from their town.

Bala looks down, (facing the sunrise...? he always observed the sunset before...?), eavesdropping on the small groups as they start to head out on their tasks.

Sploke appears to be mumbling to himself, as he walks off, with a slight spring to his steps.

bkw, viewing his palm pilot, walking with purpose, in a different direction.

Jensons, sitting on a nearby bench, watching the activity in a Town that now ressembles a whirlpool forming at the sink drain.




Night 4

KOTD passes on the edge of the square, noticed but not obtrusive to most, like a mentor.

sploke continues on as before, but with an increased tempo.

plantling raises questions that can all but be heard as they cross the square.

Jensons just picks their favorite bench, relaxing, with no fear.

[Swayde]

Sploke seems Mafia to me in these posts by RB because of his going in a different direction from BKW and then it's repeated the next night, but now he's going faster.

Jensons certainly seems guilty, not sure how any one but a very confident mafia could be so calm when the town is looking pretty bleak.

KOTD is inconclusive in my opinion based on the descriptions

Plantling I'd have to learn towards Innocent, especially if Mee-Mee is innocent.

Mad appears to be innocent.

I don't understand why Night 3 only has 3 names. I figured it was because the 4th person was lynched or hit, in either case it was likely an Innocent.

[joander123]

good analysis, however i dont think we should base our lynches on just RB's clues.

[Madcrawdad]

Plantling I'd have to learn towards Innocent, especially if Mee-Mee is innocent.



I'd like to believe that Plantling is innocent also, but something in rb's clue bothers me....I could be looking way too deeply.

He says:

Mee-mee and plantling look over their shoulders before rounding a corner to their jobs. They both have a thought as independent and connected as things can be, that the Bala has turned to look at them

In the description he uses names in the order 'Mee-mee and Plantling,' then later uses the words 'independent and connected.' Some might agree that the vigilante could be viewed as independent (they have the ability to hit innocent or mafia; independent to hit who they want). If that's true, could we interpret the 'connected' to mean that Plantling may be mafia? I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm probably looking a little too deeply.

[Swayde]

I'd like to believe that Plantling is innocent also, but something in rb's clue bothers me....I could be looking way too deeply.

He says:

Mee-mee and plantling look over their shoulders before rounding a corner to their jobs. They both have a thought as independent and connected as things can be, that the Bala has turned to look at them

In the description he uses names in the order 'Mee-mee and Plantling,' then later uses the words 'independent and connected.' Some might agree that the vigilante could be viewed as independent (they have the ability to hit innocent or mafia; independent to hit who they want). If that's true, could we interpret the 'connected' to mean that Plantling may be mafia? I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm probably looking a little too deeply.


That isnt' a bad theory. I actually remember posting about the connected thing possibly being a mafia hint when this was originally posted.

[jpappy789]

I'm here...long story short, haven't been on a computer since Friday. Completely missed the events of last "night" so the only thing I really know right now is that tonight;s lynching is absolutely crucial for the town. I like jl as a suspect. He is playing weird this game...Jensons, I don't know other than she was on the snitch list. Same with sploke. I will reread and post a little later...

[Swayde]

I'm here...long story short, haven't been on a computer since Friday. Completely missed the events of last "night" so the only thing I really know right now is that tonight;s lynching is absolutely crucial for the town. I like jl as a suspect. He is playing weird this game...Jensons, I don't know other than she was on the snitch list. Same with sploke. I will reread and post a little later...

This seems to be a common theme for Jpappy...

[plantling]

I don't think RB would give us a Mafia vigilante in a game that's already stacked up against us, could he? Anyway I thought mee-mee seemed happy to announce that she was the vig and a townie and was waiting on cues from the detective. I know I was happy when BKW showed up. But KOTD seemed disturbed and even not very happy about the job that BKW did.

[plantling]

Well, gotta go fix dinner and will do more research on JL late tonight. The posts I did get to sound very damning, though. Him saying anyone who doesn't go along is Mafia?

Better go feed the brain real food because it's been working overtime.

[Sploke]

holy crap....10 hours of meetings then a few hundred posts to catch up on...I don't have time for much cause I'm ready to go home like 2 hours ago. My top 4 in no order:

If its between me and jensons for one, its got to be her, because its sure not me
mee-mee is apparently the snitch, so not her
kotd or mad then, from the first list, i've been suspicous of mad most of hte game but now i'm leaning toward kotd
again, jensons based on the second snitch list
plantling from the third snitch list
jl as a fourth, just based on everyone else's analysis

When is night, tomorrow at some point...what time?

[KingOfTheDeep]

holy crap....10 hours of meetings then a few hundred posts to catch up on...I don't have time for much cause I'm ready to go home like 2 hours ago. My top 4 in no order:

If its between me and jensons for one, its got to be her, because its sure not me
mee-mee is apparently the snitch, so not her
kotd or mad then, from the first list, i've been suspicous of mad most of hte game but now i'm leaning toward kotd
again, jensons based on the second snitch list
plantling from the third snitch list
jl as a fourth, just based on everyone else's analysis

When is night, tomorrow at some point...what time?


mee-mee is the vigilante..charlie was the snitch..

[OgreMkV]

holy crap....10 hours of meetings then a few hundred posts to catch up on...I don't have time for much cause I'm ready to go home like 2 hours ago. My top 4 in no order:

If its between me and jensons for one, its got to be her, because its sure not me
mee-mee is apparently the snitch, so not her
kotd or mad then, from the first list, i've been suspicous of mad most of hte game but now i'm leaning toward kotd
again, jensons based on the second snitch list
plantling from the third snitch list
jl as a fourth, just based on everyone else's analysis

When is night, tomorrow at some point...what time?

uh... oops. mee-mee is the vig and charlie was the snitch... but you probably new that already ;)

[KingOfTheDeep]

I don't think RB would give us a Mafia vigilante in a game that's already stacked up against us, could he? Anyway I thought mee-mee seemed happy to announce that she was the vig and a townie and was waiting on cues from the detective. I know I was happy when BKW showed up. But KOTD seemed disturbed and even not very happy about the job that BKW did.

how many times do i have to explain that?, i just thought he could have done better, he said himself he only read 20% of the thread..we weould not have been in such dire need to lynch a mafia if he had come out earlier with a better list. sorry, but im not going to praise someone who had a lot of mafia killing power and neglected it. i am grateful that he gave us one name and we we're able to survive the night, but now what? what if everyone we suspect or vote for is innocent?

PLUS there was no proof of him being the real detective at the time, which was confusing.

[johnlarson66]

I just arrived to Columbus GA (from San Diego CA) and some how I get off of a plane and get put on a train.

IMO the Don was either IceH2O or DangerDoll. We will know tomorrow.

It appears that there is a sign up thread for game #7 also. Is this game over? Who besides the mafia thought it was over? I did not even get a chance to sign up, who knew there was even a sign up thread. Did the mafia think it was over?

I wish I was able to be online when BKW came forward as the Detective. I was concerned about his lack of posting. I also thought ZSandmann could be the detective. IMO he was either the detective or mafia. I also put too much to his claim to know that Swayde was mafia. I should not have taken him serious, I think someone else pointed that out.

I am glad we have some known innocents, I am not glad that they want to lynch me. It would make sense to follow them, and I would, if it was not me they were voting for.

I vote to lynch OgreMvK

[Swayde]

I just arrived to Columbus GA (from San Diego CA) and some how I get off of a plane and get put on a train.

IMO the Don was either IceH2O or DangerDoll. We will know tomorrow.

It appears that there is a sign up thread for game #7 also. Is this game over? Who besides the mafia thought it was over? I did not even get a chance to sign up, who knew there was even a sign up thread. Did the mafia think it was over?

I wish I was able to be online when BKW came forward as the Detective. I was concerned about his lack of posting. I also thought ZSandmann could be the detective. IMO he was either the detective or mafia. I also put too much to his claim to know that Swayde was mafia. I should not have taken him serious, I think someone else pointed that out.

I am glad we have some known innocents, I am not glad that they want to lynch me. It would make sense to follow them, and I would, if it was not me they were voting for.

I vote to lynch OgreMvK

Umm, IceH20 is most definitely not the Don, he is the Doctor, but I am sure you know that already, who did you mean to say?

[Swayde]

Votes so far...

Plantling = KOTD (1952)
Jensons = Zsandman (1981)
Jpappy = Joander (1986)
Johnlarson = Zsandmann (2019), Swayde (2020), Plantling (2021)
Ogre = Johnlarson (2116)

[Swayde]

Innocents cannot afford to be all spread out, I hope you all realize that.

[johnlarson66]

Umm, IceH20 is most definitely not the Don, he is the Doctor, but I am sure you know that already, who did you mean to say?

To be honest, I am kinda fried from the flight. Then really there is no other choice than DangerDoll that I can think of at this time.

[Rbishop]

to lynch....

ogre jl66 2116

plant kotd 1952

jl66 plant 2021 zsand 2019 swayde 2020

jpap joan 1986


6 of 12 townies voting


Please send me your thoughts, should I end day 6 at 5 AM tomorrow, basically putting us on real 24 hr days......?

[johnlarson66]

5 AM works for me.

[ZSandmann]

I just arrived to Columbus GA (from San Diego CA) and some how I get off of a plane and get put on a train.

IMO the Don was either IceH2O or DangerDoll. We will know tomorrow.

It appears that there is a sign up thread for game #7 also. Is this game over? Who besides the mafia thought it was over? I did not even get a chance to sign up, who knew there was even a sign up thread. Did the mafia think it was over?

I wish I was able to be online when BKW came forward as the Detective. I was concerned about his lack of posting. I also thought ZSandmann could be the detective. IMO he was either the detective or mafia. I also put too much to his claim to know that Swayde was mafia. I should not have taken him serious, I think someone else pointed that out.

I am glad we have some known innocents, I am not glad that they want to lynch me. It would make sense to follow them, and I would, if it was not me they were voting for.

I vote to lynch OgreMvK

I know you're travel jl but that was a very scattered post there. And Ice was the Dr. I'm almost positive we didn't have a Dr. Don. :headshake2:

[mee-mee]

The Mafia hit the streets, trying to get to the point where the town is theirs.

It has been an active day in ACville, with some stubborn positions taken, almost to the point of dividing the town.

The victim is dispatched with great ease as the Mafia are gaining experience in their tasks.


bkw1982 was an Innocent...and the Detective...




Mod Note....Game 6 is not over and will continue, all in accordance with the rules. Explanations will be revealed at the end of the game.



Game on...Day 6 begins....

This is what I found...

DAY ONE...
coler was JUST an innocent

DAY TWO...
mike was JUST an innocent
hn was JUST an innocent
jm was JUST an innocent
cl2 was JUST an innocent

DAY THREE..
cl1 was JUST an innocent
ice was an innocent and the doctor

DAY FOUR...
nick was JUST an innocent
dp was JUST an innocent
that leaves 8 innocent and 7 mafia so far...

and then we get to

DAY FIVE
bkw was innocent and the detective

dd was an innocent....no Just there....and it doesnt give any numbers...the day would have been over....

so it would have 6 townies and it is how many Mafia....6 or 5....

When I went back and read all of DD's posts she wasn't really concerned we lost Innocents...ooohhh sigh is all she said....in the other games when she was an Innocent she said OMG!!!!!WE LOST 3.....and when she was Mafia in the other games also, she responded the exact same way she did here about us losing our members of our town....and there were similar posts from here and in game 5......I DO have a strong feeling I did get the Don....if not then ya can lynch me in game 7....even if I am an Innocent....I just have a feeling about this one....and her pattern is the same...she played so different as an Innocent...:lipssealedsmilie:

[ZSandmann]

Only if everyone's voted I would say in case some folks don't check in. I'm fine with it my votes not changing.

[ZSandmann]

This is what I found...

DAY ONE...
coler was JUST an innocent

DAY TWO...
mike was JUST an innocent
hn was JUST an innocent
jm was JUST an innocent
cl2 was JUST an innocent

DAY THREE..
cl1 was JUST an innocent
ice was an innocent and the doctor

DAY FOUR...
nick was JUST an innocent
dp was JUST an innocent
that leaves 8 innocent and 7 mafia so far...

and then we get to

DAY FIVE
bkw was innocent and the detective

dd was an innocent....no Just there....and it doesnt give any numbers...the day would have been over....

so it would have 6 townies and it is how many Mafia....6 or 5....

When I went back and read all of DD's posts she wasn't really concerned we lost Innocents...ooohhh sigh is all she said....in the other games when she was an Innocent she said OMG!!!!!WE LOST 3.....and when she was Mafia in the other games also, she responded the exact same way she did here about us losing our members of our town....and there were similar posts from here and in game 5......I DO have a strong feeling I did get the Don....if not then ya can lynch me in game 7....even if I am an Innocent....I just have a feeling about this one....and her pattern is the same...she played so different as an Innocent...:lipssealedsmilie:

mee-mee for what its worth I think you nailed it. Good job.

[mee-mee]

5 am works for me too....or why dont we go for 10 tonight since it seems a unanimous vote for JL...

I VOTE FOR JL66...

so then we can see if my hit was right or not....ooohhh I would like to know....does anyone else...

[Swayde]

5 am works for me too....or why dont we go for 10 tonight since it seems a unanimous vote for JL...

I VOTE FOR JL66...

so then we can see if my hit was right or not....ooohhh I would like to know....does anyone else...


Yes I am curious, but I am like 99.999999% sure you hit their Don. In which case, great job, your pastry shop has my business for life!

That observation you made about the Just Innocents...very interesting, if that was intentional, you have a great eye.

[plantling]

10 Sounds good mee-mee the Vig. You always seem to cheer me up. :)

[OgreMkV]

I'm in... I vote to lynch JohnLarson

5 am is fine... I usually am up by 5:30... sigh.

JL, the mafia game sign up thread is there because I honestly thought, the innocents would be dead last night. It is seriously looking like Mee-mee did hit the Don... yay mee-mee. SO we have more time. I also didn't expect it to fill up quite so fast. I thought everyone might be getting tired.

But that's neither here nor there. If you had voted for Jensons or sploke or even Plantling... I might have given you the benefit of the doubt, but your vote for me is too far out. Plantling is about the only one left with suspicions of me (please continue to check me out) and she's not voting for me. So there :silly:............ :)

[mee-mee]

I had to go back and reread everyday and night post that RB did....and ya can come on over to my pastry shop. I am trying to think of a cool pastry to name after BOB..........

And I will bet everyone will be dreaming of the morning and be on the comp first thing tomorrow morning....to see if my hit was right....really sorry DD...I sure hope I wasn't wrong.....this is all I could think about all day...Man, lucky I didn't mess up any orders...I was so tempted to tell my boss to turn on his internet so I could see who we got.....

I would rather find out tonight and get it over with....for then we can move on the GAME 7......

[mee-mee]

10 Sounds good mee-mee the Vig. You always seem to cheer me up. :)

game off////

whats invisible and smells like bunny farts....

game on/////

[ZSandmann]

5 am works for me too....or why dont we go for 10 tonight since it seems a unanimous vote for JL...

I VOTE FOR JL66...

so then we can see if my hit was right or not....ooohhh I would like to know....does anyone else...

Not quite unanimous. KOTD is currently voting plantling and joander is voting jpappy. 7 of 12 votes placed.

[mee-mee]

Game off////

ah crap I did it backwards.....see told ya I was wired backwards....



It's supposed to be

WHATS INVISIBLE AND SMELLS LIKE CARROTS....

BUNNY FARTS...

[mee-mee]

gAME ON////

[mee-mee]

Not quite unanimous. KOTD is currently voting plantling and joander is voting jpappy. 7 of 12 votes placed.

The only reason I can only assume King is voting for Plantling is because he is Mafia and she pegged him....as for Jo, don't know that answer....

Jo, please switch to JL, or maybe he is Mafia also....and don't want to vote for one of their own....only thing I can think of....:lipssealedsmilie:

[Swayde]

Mad hasn't cast a vote yet.

[ZSandmann]

We've got quite an audience of dead-heads right now :D

[johnlarson66]

I know you're travel jl but that was a very scattered post there. And Ice was the Dr. I'm almost positive we didn't have a Dr. Don. :headshake2:


Well that proves it.

The only reason people are calling me mafia is because I voted for them for role playing or I followed a player that I respected.

With Swayde and ZSandmann (known innocents) pointing at me, what else can I do. If I was not me, I would follow them. Which would be another mistake.

Somehow I am on plantings list. So that is three, what does it take, 6 to lynch. The train is halfway there.

There are way better targets to lynch than me. The mafia is laughing at us.

[mee-mee]

There are 12 players left...
JP
OGRE
SPLOKE
JL66
Z
PLANTLING
KING
JO
SWAYDE
MEEMEE
JENSONS
MAD....

[ZSandmann]

Day 6: 8/12
HAS NOT VOTED: Jensons, jpappy, sploke, mad
Plantling: 1 – KOTD (1952)
Johnlarson66: 5 -- ZSandmann (2019) Swayde (2020) plantling (2021) mee-mee (2127) Ogre (2130)
Jpappy: 1 – Joander (1986)
Ogre: 1 – johnlarson66 (2116)
Jensons: 1 – Zsandmann (1981)

[ZSandmann]

jl: Who are the better targets?

[Swayde]

Votes so far...8/12 votes in None Votes = Mad, Jensons, Sploke & Jpappy

Plantling = KOTD (1952)
Jensons = Zsandman (1981)
Jpappy = Joander (1986)
Johnlarson = Zsandmann (2019), Swayde (2020), Plantling (2021), Mee-Mee (2127), Ogre (2130)
Ogre = Johnlarson (2116)

[Swayde]

Oops you are much faster than me Z, I couldn't find the 12th name for my list lol

[KingOfTheDeep]

so what time is this day ending? 5am?

[johnlarson66]

jl: Who are the better targets?

How is Ogre not a better target? I think he is on lots of peoples lists.

[Swayde]

Well that proves it.

The only reason people are calling me mafia is because I voted for them for role playing or I followed a player that I respected.

With Swayde and ZSandmann (known innocents) pointing at me, what else can I do. If I was not me, I would follow them. Which would be another mistake.

Somehow I am on plantings list. So that is three, what does it take, 6 to lynch. The train is halfway there.

There are way better targets to lynch than me. The mafia is laughing at us.


Actually JL, you mght want to back and read the post I made showing some slip ups you made and how DD was the only one who seemed to be helping you. Besides, how do we know you were really anywhere? Charlie wasn't really camping...

[ZSandmann]

How is Ogre not a better target? I think he is on lots of peoples lists.

Not mine right now, there are better targets than him for sure.

[mee-mee]

I strongly think that Jpappy and Jensons are Mafia also...and that leaves 4 or 3 for us to figure out..

[Swayde]

KoTD, how come you are not voting for JL?

[KingOfTheDeep]

im still thinking about my lynch vote tonight, i have no read on JL to be honest..

unvote to lynch plantling

[ZSandmann]

I'm almost certain Jensons is. But with them not around responding it is hard to get a read. I don't care which of my top picks we vote I just want us to all be 100% certain. Now is the time to voice doubts. I'm happy with jl, he's not convincing me of his Innocence by going after Ogre.

[ZSandmann]

I'm here...long story short, haven't been on a computer since Friday. Completely missed the events of last "night" so the only thing I really know right now is that tonight;s lynching is absolutely crucial for the town. I like jl as a suspect. He is playing weird this game...Jensons, I don't know other than she was on the snitch list. Same with sploke. I will reread and post a little later...

Hmmm, seems most of the top mafia picks are "away from the computer". Charlie was as well supposedly. It's an interesting strategy I'll give ya'll that. Posting once a day so as not to be Mysteriously Killed, but otherwise making no waves.

[Swayde]

Hmmm, seems most of the top mafia picks are "away from the computer". Charlie was as well supposedly. It's an interesting strategy I'll give ya'll that. Posting once a day so as not to be Mysteriously Killed, but otherwise making no waves.


If you go back through his posting history, he did the same thing, many times. He's also promised lists, and never delivered and he's contributed nothing as far as I could find.

[Swayde]

I have a hard time believing that people who have played this game before would have committed to it knowing they couldn't really play. I guess as a mafia member it really doesn't matter though and would certainly help you hide out.

[Swayde]

If I had to pick who's who right now it would be...

JP -- Mafia
OGRE -- Innocent
SPLOKE -- ??
JL66 -- Mafia
Z -- Innocent
PLANTLING -- Innocent
KING -- ??
JO -- ??
SWAYDE-- Innocent
MEEMEE -- Innocent
JENSONS -- Mafia
MAD -- Innocent

[KingOfTheDeep]

I have a hard time believing that people who have played this game before would have committed to it knowing they couldn't really play. I guess as a mafia member it really doesn't matter though and would certainly help you hide out.

thinks do come up in life you know..and i am mosty defending myself here...for the first week in this game i had to work a double shift at the petstore i work at, it was supposed to be for two weeks but we hired a new guy, i signed up with intentions of playing better than i had before, more posting and what not..but duty called. i have been free the past few days, which is why i have been posting more, but it has still been a busy few days.

i do agree with you though to some extent, but things do come up.

[KingOfTheDeep]

If I had to pick who's who right now it would be...

JP -- Mafia
OGRE -- Innocent
SPLOKE -- ??
JL66 -- Mafia
Z -- Innocent
PLANTLING -- Innocent
KING -- ??
JO -- ??
SWAYDE-- Innocent
MEEMEE -- Innocent
JENSONS -- Mafia
MAD -- Innocent

how about some explanations for the mafia picks? i may need some help with my vote tonight

[Swayde]

Read post #2015

[KingOfTheDeep]

hmmm, jl seems like a good pick..but something doesn't feel right..

[johnlarson66]

ZSandmann, you were so sure that Swayde was mafia. So sure that you would lynch yourself. You made that statement when losing an innocent would really hurt the town.

The only thing I can see that I did wrong was follow you. Following in this game is not a bad thing. But now the mafia is using me following you and me trying to get the town to see what was going on.

I really thought you were most likely the detective.

Look at what was going on before BKW came out as the detective. There was not really a better choice than you to be the detective.

I am pretty sure I have plenty of mafia on me right now. If I could somehow get you and Swayde to agree on someone else, I would follow. Before this train was set up, I think both of you had me further down any list.

[plantling]

Game off////

ah crap I did it backwards.....see told ya I was wired backwards....
DOH!


It's supposed to be

WHATS INVISIBLE AND SMELLS LIKE CARROTS....

BUNNY FARTS...

:lol: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Swayde]

ZSandmann, you were so sure that Swayde was mafia. So sure that you would lynch yourself. You made that statement when losing an innocent would really hurt the town.

The only thing I can see that I did wrong was follow you. Following in this game is not a bad thing. But now the mafia is using me following you and me trying to get the town to see what was going on.

I really thought you were most likely the detective.

Look at what was going on before BKW came out as the detective. There was not really a better choice than you to be the detective.

I am pretty sure I have plenty of mafia on me right now. If I could somehow get you and Swayde to agree on someone else, I would follow. Before this train was set up, I think both of you had me further down any list.



Ahhh I see, I forgot to bring JL and DD down to my list, both I believe are Mafia.

So you see, I have 5 that I believe are Mafia, but I really don't trust anyone.

1. Zsandmann
2. Danger Doll
3. Johnlarson
4. OgreMkv
5. Jensens

I was wrong about Z and I am pretty sure I was wrong about Ogre, but I feel I was right about you, DD and Jen.

[Madcrawdad]

Actually JL, you mght want to back and read the post I made showing some slip ups you made and how DD was the only one who seemed to be helping you. Besides, how do we know you were really anywhere? Charlie wasn't really camping...

How do we know that Charlie really wasn't camping?

[Swayde]

Because he wasn't supposed to be back yet when he posted his vote for Zsandmann.

[Swayde]

If I am wrong about that, well it doesn't really matter now does it, because Charlie did lie to us, he was Mafia and the Snitch.

[Swayde]

The real question, Mad, is who are you going to vote to lynch?

[mee-mee]

I have a funny feeling he isn't going to vote for JL, because the majority is already there....

[charlie_stubbs]

*game off*
actually i was camping in the muskokas but one of the neighbors had an online comp and i was partying there and checked the thread. yes they party till 4am in the muskokas. who knew? i water skied for the first time, caught a truckload of bass, and drove a sea-doo for the first time. a total blast and well worth the four hour drive!!! not everything i said was a lie, just most of it sway!!!
*game on*

[mee-mee]

I have a funny feeling he isnt going to vote for JL,,,because majority are there....I have a really strong feeling we are being tricked again....

[ZSandmann]

I do hate to pull a vote change this late in the day and live to regret it. He's either Innocent or Mafia :D Jensons is the only other person I think I would vote for however. I have two hours till bed, someone make a case and I'll listen but the Townies have to be unanimous or we lose.

[Swayde]

We'll see I guess. I have more faith in this vote than I did in BKW, but I went with it because I could not afford to be wrong. In the past, my vote wouldn't really have made a difference if I hopped on a train or not, but to lynch Charlie, it really did count and I couldn't take that chance to let the town down. JL has done really nothing to try and convince us he's not Mafia...everyone else who's been accused was kicking and screaming and fighting it and at LEAST building a case against someone else...not just picking someone because they were on several lists. And he was sooooo gung-ho about pitting me and Z against each other.

[plantling]

Mee-mee, I'll come to Mad's defence even though he has his doubts about me. I'm 99% sure Mad is innocent and I'm 99% sure KOTD is Mafia. And I'm totally sure you and I are innocent. :)

Plantling goes over to mee-mee's pastry shop to grab some croissants for the morning and stays for a nice chat and tea. Come join us Swayde. Soon I hope our beautiful AC'ville will be rid of Mafia scumbag.

Mad if you really think there's a better candidate than JL please tell us. We'll hear you out.

[OgreMkV]

I think we just need to stick to our guns Z. Trying to get all of us on board for a 9th hour vote change would be almost impossible.

I'm fine with it.

[Swayde]

*game off*
actually i was camping in the muskokas but one of the neighbors had an online comp and i was partying there and checked the thread. yes they party till 4am in the muskokas. who knew? i water skied for the first time, caught a truckload of bass, and drove a sea-doo for the first time. a total blast and well worth the four hour drive!!! not everything i said was a lie, just most of it sway!!!
*game on*


/game off

Glad you had a good time =)

/game on

[mee-mee]

Meemee is glad that Plantling stopped by and told her to go check out Swayde's pond...really cool to look at....Meemee gives Plantling a new Pastry that she cooked up called the Bishop Bomb....it has fresh cut beef, with skillet potatoes, green peppers, onions, and cheese...Plantling took a bite and said "WOW"....that really oozes." says Plantling...and Meemee said...
"That is why I named it the Bishop Bomb, because it explodes in your mouth...""All the melted cheese in the main ingredient." says Meemee...

Hopefully Swayde will come by later and try one out....or just bring one over to her......

[Swayde]

*Swayde heads over to Mee-Mee's shop to find out what all the rage is about, something about the Bishop Bomb? She can't help but be interested. Swayde orders 1 and takes a bite. Swayde says, "Oh yes, Mee-Mee, this is delicious!" and seeing Plantling says, "Hi there Plantling, how are you doing?" Before heading out of the shop she purchases another box of eclairs.*

[plantling]

Yummmmmm. Good JOb on the sandwich and the hit mee-mee the vigilante. Did you get a rush. I bet it was fun sending that pm. And I'm very sure you struck gold 'cause she did have this nonchalant sp? attitude after the lynchings. And she wasn't very nice to Swayde, but Swayde held her own.

[KingOfTheDeep]

Mee-mee, I'll come to Mad's defence even though he has his doubts about me. I'm 99% sure Mad is innocent and I'm 99% sure KOTD is Mafia. And I'm totally sure you and I are innocent. :)

Plantling goes over to mee-mee's pastry shop to grab some croissants for the morning and stays for a nice chat and tea. Come join us Swayde. Soon I hope our beautiful AC'ville will be rid of Mafia scumbag.

Mad if you really think there's a better candidate than JL please tell us. We'll hear you out.

LOL! how do you figure im 99% mafia?

[plantling]

Maybe the 1% vigilante aura from another game is still on you?

[KingOfTheDeep]

Maybe the 1% vigilante aura from another game is still on you?

answer the question

[johnlarson66]

The mere fact that I am still here has to mean something.

I really do not know how to explain this any better.

Yes, I did pit the two of you against each other. I did that because I thought ZSandmann was either the Detective or mafia. I wanted to push the issue, so we could get to the bottom of it. I was pretty upset that we did not resolve it when we had better numbers. I put aside my own suspects to get to the truth about ZSandmann's claim. I even tried to bring others in.

I did not even have Swayde on my list as mafia, I was pretty sure that ZSandmann was the Detective and was willing to follow. As far as this game goes, every time I think I know something, the next day it gets shot all to heck. Dwarf Puffers was my number one target. I also was real real sure nick was mafia. I did not vote for nick the day he was lynched, I was following ZSandmann. I was so sure that the mafia was protecting Swayde by that time.

I know, with Swayde and ZSandmann voting for me, I am the best target to get lynched.

Tell me where to vote, and I will. A wrong move here and the mafia win.

There has to be a better choice.

[plantling]

answer the question

If for some wild reason you are innocent then Mad is Mafia, but I HIGHLY doubt it. :)

[mee-mee]

Oh, Plantling it was the most interesting thing I have ever done....really fun, and yes, it was a rush....MEEMEEMEEMEEMEEMEEMEEMEE. the Vig..I think my new name will be MEEVIII...

and meemee is glad that Swayde liked the pastry...meemee is thinking to stop by swaydes house to see how she is holding up...and plantling is a good person...she means well even though she says things funny around here...we are all like that even meemee...our town has overrun by too many Mafia lately and we are just plum sick and tired of it...and hopefully Swayde will settle in nicely with the town...especially since she lives in Jdubs old house....she touched it up really nice...and hope all the other townies think so and stop by and welcome her to the ACville....

[johnlarson66]

I think we just need to stick to our guns Z. Trying to get all of us on board for a 9th hour vote change would be almost impossible.

I'm fine with it.

Says the conductor that has gotten most of the town lynched.

Is everyone that thought Ogre is mafia now dead? Is that what killed DP?

They are going to win.

[Madcrawdad]

I know that this is going to cause an uproar, but have other folks been watching Ogre's game? Although I've been defending it, today I've really begun to think that he's mafia...

Day 1 Nothing special...only thing interesting that I remember is he voted for MND for 5 minutes and then ended up going after Ice for no real reason. Ice accused Ogre of revenge vote? I think that the reason he went after Ice so easily is that Madcrawdad was also on the chopping block, but there wasn't a whole lot of support. He could look like he was voting Mike w/ the rest of the town then pull his vote off which was indirectly a vote for Madcrawdad.

Also issues a blistering post claiming that anyone voting for JudgeMax was absoluted mafia. I also disagreed with the plan as I thought going after Judge was a distraction. There was a groundswell of support for the idea, and Ogre came down a little hard IMO. If anyone saw my post earlier, I now feel that Judge was Don, and Ogre was quick to defend as he didn't want to lose a mafia member, particularly one with investigative powers.

Day 2 Pretty good sized lynch train for Mike and Madcrawdad...really comes on strong to defend Madcrawdad. I think it's also Day 2 where he kept posting that he was sure that at least 2 people in the game now 'knew' that he was innocent, and he was willing to stake his life on it. Not sure what that means. Also claims to know who the doctor was.

Day 3 Charlie Stubbs the snitch does some investigating, and now apparently catches me in a BIG LIE. Ogre goes bananas....how could he have been fooled by Mad? Charlie Stubbs??!! C'mon, Chas played a good game of mafia by looking like he was running around in circles (vote here, no there, back here, etc.). Now Ogre's buying in and it's time to lynch Madcrawdad...C'mon guys, let's lynch Mad.

Not a lot of support at the time, so it's Ice who ends up going as he's acted a little jumpy. Now seriously, is there any doubt in townies minds as to who masterminded the Ice lynching? Ogre squarely laid it at Sploke's feet in a post earlier today, but it was Ogre who tossed the 4 names out there that people had to pick from...take a some responsibility Ogre, you were the one screaming that Ice and Mad were in cahoots. Even when Ice turned up as doctor, I was still guilty?

Day 4 Ogre sees that there's a lot of people now off of Mad's back, and it might look like he's playing with blinders on, so he takes a different tact.....Yup, according to rb's descriptions Mad must be innocent. Town is still in total disarray, and the 2 trains that day are Nick and Swayde.

Day 5 Town in total disarray. It's coming down to Swayde vs. Zman....guess wrong and lose. BKW reveals himself...Hooray. People switch to Charlie. BKW admits to only having read 20% of the thread, and Madcrawdad was possibly still on his mafia list. Who seizes on this and says, 'I'm voting for Mad tomorrow?' What? Thanks, but BKW said he only read 20% of the thread. And according to an earlier post Ogre is a scientist who goes with what the evidence tells him....Mee-mee reveals herself as vig and asks who to hit. Ogre steps up...'I'd hit Madcrawdad'. Okay, what are we doing here? If I bite at his bait, the town could easily be ripped apart at this point, and maybe Charlie won't get lynched after all. Why even risk it?

Day 6 In one of his posts lays the blame for Ice's lynching squarely at Sploke's feet. I also deduce that Judge may have been Don, which makes Ogre's outbursts seem a little shady.

I'll vote with the town tonight, but I think we really need to consider Ogre also. I had thought that the town had a little time to mull this over, but since it looks like night will fall earlier I'll put it out there now...there's always a chance that I might not be alive tomorrow.

[plantling]

Yes mee-mee, plantling sometimes wonders about the funny things she's found herself saying. Maybe we can stop by Swayde's house tomorrow morning for coffee and officially welcome her to AC'ville. Better go, the baby is crying. Later.

[KingOfTheDeep]

If for some wild reason you are innocent then Mad is Mafia, but I HIGHLY doubt it. :)

again, answer the question

[mee-mee]

Well, guys I am off to bed...hopefully we made the right choice, if not then we can try for ya again in game 7 JL....JK

[johnlarson66]

Swayde and ZSandmann,

Yesterday, ZSandmann wanted a truce for the greater good of the town, Swayde you stayed put because you were so sure that ZSandmann was mafia and had no better targets.

The three of us need a truce for the greater good of the town.

Pick another person to lynch, this is not unreasonable at all. There is time. Lots of people watching.

[mee-mee]

Yes mee-mee, plantling sometimes wonders about the funny things she's found herself saying. Maybe we can stop by Swayde's house tomorrow morning for coffee and officially welcome her to AC'ville. Better go, the baby is crying. Later.

Meemee thinks that is a great idea, and then we can all sit in front of her new pond and watch her goldfish, that she so much takes pride in....

meemee has to return home her chihuahua is crying and wants to go for a walk....see ya in the morning Plantling...and I will also bring some more pastries to Swaydes...and maybe Swayde will share some of her fantastic lemonade...that cousin pete so much raved about,,,,:)

[Swayde]

Mad, you've made a reasonable go at Ogre, but you've said NOTHING about JL...

[johnlarson66]

I'll vote with the town tonight, but I think we really need to consider Ogre also. I had thought that the town had a little time to mull this over, but since it looks like night will fall earlier I'll put it out there now...there's always a chance that I might not be alive tomorrow.


You will not need to worry about tomorrow.

Game over.

Well done OgreMvK. You have them all fooled.

[mee-mee]

So should we all vote for Ogre for the greater good....

[Swayde]

I fail to see the argument against lynching JL...we KNOW there are other mafia in the game.

[Swayde]

Swayde and ZSandmann,

Yesterday, ZSandmann wanted a truce for the greater good of the town, Swayde you stayed put because you were so sure that ZSandmann was mafia and had no better targets.

The three of us need a truce for the greater good of the town.

Pick another person to lynch, this is not unreasonable at all. There is time. Lots of people watching.


Z and I both switched our votes to Charlie.

[KingOfTheDeep]

I fail to see the argument against lynching JL...we KNOW there are other mafia in the game.

what if JL isnt mafia? then we're screwed..i guess we're going on hunches now instead of facts..

[mee-mee]

I found out something really interesting in the majority of Ogre's posts....I will throw this out there...but I wont go back and try to find any of his posts...
Yesterday, when I was going back and forth, looking at his postings and DD's posting in the other games (as they were Mafia then)...okay I already explained DD...now here is what I found interestin about Ogre...he was confused alot in this game...just go back and read some you will see...and he did the same in game 5 when he was Mafia and game 3.....he played the confused card....WHEN DOES NIGHT END...WHAT NIGHT ARE WE ON...HOW MANY FINDS COULD THE DETECTIVE HAVE HAD...EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ON DAY 3....ya all will just have to go back and read his posts....I am really beginning to feel that he is Mafia....but I really dont have much time left so if some one could give me a good reason not to change my vote him then it will stick to JL...but I really believe he is a better candidate then JL....

[Swayde]

what if JL isnt mafia? then we're screwed..i guess we're going on hunches now instead of facts..


OH for crying out loud KOTD...POST SOME FACTS please! You have been online a LOT today. You've seen we've been asking people ALL DAY LONG for their top few suspects and why. NOBODY has given us any reason to not vote for JL. I posted the information that had put JL as my most likely Mafia suspect...I BEGGED for people to review it and see if I could be wrong. But nobody is willing to. I can't find a reason to believe JL is Innocent. So show me....please?

I am trying really hard to be open minded here and to view everyone...but the only people I trust at this time, completely is Z and Mee-Mee. Sure I am not 100% sold on JL being Mafia, I have doubts on everyone, but he's most likely in my opinion and no one has convinced me otherwise, not even for a more likely suspect, with the exception of MAYBE Jensons.

[johnlarson66]

I fail to see the argument against lynching JL...we KNOW there are other mafia in the game.

We also know that there are other innocents.

The reasons to name me mafia make no sense. You are getting led around by the mafia.

Ogre was so sure they were going to win that he started a new sign-up thread. The game was not even close to over. Not like it is now.

[Swayde]

Mee-Mee do you have time to check into JL before you have to leave?

[Swayde]

We also know that there are other innocents.

The reasons to name me mafia make no sense. You are getting led around by the mafia.

Ogre was so sure they were going to win that he started a new sign-up thread. The game was not even close to over. Not like it is now.


Heck I was so sure the game was over I signed up for it and my vote for Charlie was basically a "oh what the hell, it's over anyhow" vote. I never dreamed of waking up today to find the game still going...with BKW being for real and Charlie too.

[mee-mee]

Swayde what ya said was enough for me....you have been right so far through out the whole game and I will stick with my vote for JL...

[Madcrawdad]

Mad, you've made a reasonable go at Ogre, but you've said NOTHING about JL...

The only thing I don't like about JL is that Ogre likes JL at this point.... Is JL mafia, and Ogre distancing himself or is JL innocent?

[johnlarson66]

I found out something really interesting in the majority of Ogre's posts....I will throw this out there...but I wont go back and try to find any of his posts...
Yesterday, when I was going back and forth, looking at his postings and DD's posting in the other games (as they were Mafia then)...okay I already explained DD...now here is what I found interestin about Ogre...he was confused alot in this game...just go back and read some you will see...and he did the same in game 5 when he was Mafia and game 3.....he played the confused card....WHEN DOES NIGHT END...WHAT NIGHT ARE WE ON...HOW MANY FINDS COULD THE DETECTIVE HAVE HAD...EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ON DAY 3....ya all will just have to go back and read his posts....I am really beginning to feel that he is Mafia....but I really dont have much time left so if some one could give me a good reason not to change my vote him then it will stick to JL...but I really believe he is a better candidate then JL....

It is crazy that more people do not see this. If I can just get Swayde and ZSandmann to agree on someone besides me. I think Ogre is a great choice and I am sure he is mafia. I just wish BKW would have investigated him. We would not be in this spot.

We all know this game has had some good players in the mafia. DangerDoll and Ogre almost made a clean sweep. We can still win this. There are plenty more of them still to lynch.

[KingOfTheDeep]

OH for crying out loud KOTD...POST SOME FACTS please! You have been online a LOT today. You've seen we've been asking people ALL DAY LONG for their top few suspects and why. NOBODY has given us any reason to not vote for JL. I posted the information that had put JL as my most likely Mafia suspect...I BEGGED for people to review it and see if I could be wrong. But nobody is willing to. I can't find a reason to believe JL is Innocent. So show me....please?

I am trying really hard to be open minded here and to view everyone...but the only people I trust at this time, completely is Z and Mee-Mee. Sure I am not 100% sold on JL being Mafia, I have doubts on everyone, but he's most likely in my opinion and no one has convinced me otherwise, not even for a more likely suspect, with the exception of MAYBE Jensons.

take a deep breath

i never said not to vote for JL or that there were any better targets, im just stating a point, WHAT IF..there are no facts to back up "what if".

you guys just need to be reminded of a few things, before we make another bad choice and lose the game to the mafia.

[Swayde]

If we lynch JL and he is Mafia, you gotta admit that anyone who didn't vote for him is giong to be held under high suspicion. If he's Innocent, well Ogre is inline for helping us out...if Ogre is Mafia then its possible he's willing to hang a mafia to gain trust and take us out another night.

[Swayde]

Unfortunately, what if's at this point are totally useless. It's getting late, people are going to bed, and we need to be united and the time for doubts was all day long when there was plenty of time to work out the evidence.

[mee-mee]

Mee-Mee do you have time to check into JL before you have to leave?

I have already read every post ya said about JL....and I was thinking the same thing....

and I am still wondering about ogre...but I will keep my vote for JL....for I do really believe he is Mafia....just like I think Ogre is Mafia also....sometimes ya can compare posts from past posts...and when ogre was Mafia in the other games he did the same thing here....so if Jl is Mafia, then I think Ogre should be the next one we take a real hard look into...and if the game is still going on tomorrow I will personally quote every post he did that he acted like in the other games.....


So my vote still sticks...

[KingOfTheDeep]

Unfortunately, what if's at this point are totally useless. It's getting late, people are going to bed, and we need to be united and the time for doubts was all day long when there was plenty of time to work out the evidence.

which would indicate that no one really cares if we lose this to the mafia...this should go down as the worst game ever played by the innocents, this is very frusterating..i want to vote for JL..but i cant see him being mafia..it's either him or ogre right now...i need some time to think..

[Swayde]

I have already read every post ya said about JL....and I was thinking the same thing....

and I am still wondering about ogre...but I will keep my vote for JL....for I do really believe he is Mafia....just like I think Ogre is Mafia also....sometimes ya can compare posts from past posts...and when ogre was Mafia in the other games he did the same thing here....so if Jl is Mafia, then I think Ogre should be the next one we take a real hard look into...and if the game is still going on tomorrow I will personally quote every post he did that he acted like in the other games.....


So my vote still sticks...


That's pretty much what I am thinking as well.

Either way, it's been an exciting game and it is still just a game =)

[johnlarson66]

Swayde what ya said was enough for me....you have been right so far through out the whole game and I will stick with my vote for JL...

mee-mee, Swayde is asking you to look into me, because there is some doubt. Some reasonable doubt. Let's lynch someone that there is no reasonable doubt/

He was also 110% sure that ZSandmann was mafia.

I owe you for this OgreMvK!

[OgreMkV]

Wow, this a good mix of true and fabrication. I also like how Mad refers to himself in the third person... almost like it's scripted... ? Anyway, I'll say a few things about it in red.


I know that this is going to cause an uproar, but have other folks been watching Ogre's game? Although I've been defending it, today I've really begun to think that he's mafia...

Day 1 Nothing special...only thing interesting that I remember is he voted for MND for 5 minutes and then ended up going after Ice for no real reason. Ice accused Ogre of revenge vote? I think that the reason he went after Ice so easily is that Madcrawdad was also on the chopping block, but there wasn't a whole lot of support. He could look like he was voting Mike w/ the rest of the town then pull his vote off which was indirectly a vote for Madcrawdad.

True... up to a point. Mad fails to mention that my vote switch to
ice was after Mike already had 6 votes...

Also issues a blistering post claiming that anyone voting for JudgeMax was absoluted mafia. I also disagreed with the plan as I thought going after Judge was a distraction. There was a groundswell of support for the idea, and Ogre came down a little hard IMO. If anyone saw my post earlier, I now feel that Judge was Don, and Ogre was quick to defend as he didn't want to lose a mafia member, particularly one with investigative powers.

So... if Judge is shown to be the Don (where did that come from anyway? Why not DP, that would make more sense?), then this might be a useful arguement... no it's actually not, because a)she dropped out on her own and b) the lynch JMax still makes no sense.

Day 2 Pretty good sized lynch train for Mike and Madcrawdad...really comes on strong to defend Madcrawdad. I think it's also Day 2 where he kept posting that he was sure that at least 2 people in the game now 'knew' that he was innocent, and he was willing to stake his life on it. Not sure what that means. Also claims to know who the doctor was.

I was wrong about both. Sorry... I never would have predicted that would protect Mike after voting for him initially, which made the entire house I built fall over.

Day 3 Charlie Stubbs the snitch does some investigating, and now apparently catches me in a BIG LIE. Ogre goes bananas....how could he have been fooled by Mad? Charlie Stubbs??!! C'mon, Chas played a good game of mafia by looking like he was running around in circles (vote here, no there, back here, etc.). Now Ogre's buying in and it's time to lynch Madcrawdad...C'mon guys, let's lynch Mad.

I'm thinking it might still be time to lynch Mad... tomorrow.

Not a lot of support at the time, so it's Ice who ends up going as he's acted a little jumpy. Now seriously, is there any doubt in townies minds as to who masterminded the Ice lynching? Ogre squarely laid it at Sploke's feet in a post earlier today, but it was Ogre who tossed the 4 names out there that people had to pick from...take a some responsibility Ogre, you were the one screaming that Ice and Mad were in cahoots. Even when Ice turned up as doctor, I was still guilty?

Looking that way to me. You know why Mad? Because at the time, I was convinced that sploke was the doctor... see above. Yes, I tossed out four names, that's how I prefer to play, consideration of everyone's top three (or four) list and move from there.

I'll just point out that you voted for Ice too... as well as nick... just like most of the rest of us.

Day 4 Ogre sees that there's a lot of people now off of Mad's back, and it might look like he's playing with blinders on, so he takes a different tact.....Yup, according to rb's descriptions Mad must be innocent. Town is still in total disarray, and the 2 trains that day are Nick and Swayde.

It's called changing your mind... just like you did when you wrote this post. I did what plantling wanted and analyzed the snitch's reports.

Day 5 Town in total disarray. It's coming down to Swayde vs. Zman....guess wrong and lose. BKW reveals himself...Hooray. People switch to Charlie. BKW admits to only having read 20% of the thread, and Madcrawdad was possibly still on his mafia list. Who seizes on this and says, 'I'm voting for Mad tomorrow?' What? Thanks, but BKW said he only read 20% of the thread. And according to an earlier post Ogre is a scientist who goes with what the evidence tells him....Mee-mee reveals herself as vig and asks who to hit. Ogre steps up...'I'd hit Madcrawdad'. Okay, what are we doing here? If I bite at his bait, the town could easily be ripped apart at this point, and maybe Charlie won't get lynched after all. Why even risk it?

Mee-mee asked. I responded. She did her own thing and it's still no garuantee that DD was the Don. In fact, according to you, mee-mee screwed up because JMax was the Don.

Day 6 In one of his posts lays the blame for Ice's lynching squarely at Sploke's feet. I also deduce that Judge may have been Don, which makes Ogre's outbursts seem a little shady.

I'll vote with the town tonight, but I think we really need to consider Ogre also. I had thought that the town had a little time to mull this over, but since it looks like night will fall earlier I'll put it out there now...there's always a chance that I might not be alive tomorrow.

And I think we need to consider Madcrawdad as well.

I'm sorry mad, I'm not perfect, just picking one vote per day like you... oh wait, no you switched from sploke to Nick, to JohnLarson back to nick day 4. What's up with that?

I'm going to go back and find this Jmax thing and will see what I think of it.

[Swayde]

which would indicate that no one really cares if we lose this to the mafia...


How can you say that after what you said about "sometimes things just come up"?

Very hypocritical.

It is getting late and luckily I don't work, but I am sure many others do need to get to bed for work or bedtimes. Not to mention maybe they want to spend some time off the computer tonight.

[mee-mee]

It is crazy that more people do not see this. If I can just get Swayde and ZSandmann to agree on someone besides me. I think Ogre is a great choice and I am sure he is mafia. I just wish BKW would have investigated him. We would not be in this spot.

We all know this game has had some good players in the mafia. DangerDoll and Ogre almost made a clean sweep. We can still win this. There are plenty more of them still to lynch.

He got lynched for just that reason, he should have never come out and said he was the detective...but he could have gave us hints...for me coming out that is just fine also...and I think I did get a Mafia.......but that is okay, I guess...they always investigate the person who claims to be Detective and if true then byebye....I was hoping BKW was kind of bluffing...but he wasnt...

[Swayde]

mee-mee, Swayde is asking you to look into me, because there is some doubt. Some reasonable doubt. Let's lynch someone that there is no reasonable doubt/

He was also 110% sure that ZSandmann was mafia.

I owe you for this OgreMvK!

Actually there isn't much doubt in my mind about you. I asked Mee-Mee to check you out, because I think she hit a grandslam as the vig and she's spotted things I never would have noticed. I respect her skills.

[mee-mee]

How can you say that after what you said about "sometimes things just come up"?

Very hypocritical.

It is getting late and luckily I don't work, but I am sure many others do need to get to bed for work or bedtimes. Not to mention maybe they want to spend some time off the computer tonight.

If I didnt have to work so early in the morning I would be here right with ya Swayde to the very end....but my vote will stay on JL...and if he is Mafia then we go for Ogre and then down the list.....:lipssealedsmilie:

[KingOfTheDeep]

How can you say that after what you said about "sometimes things just come up"?

Very hypocritical.

It is getting late and luckily I don't work, but I am sure many others do need to get to bed for work or bedtimes. Not to mention maybe they want to spend some time off the computer tonight.

what are you talking about..? how is that hypocritical? some people have no choice, everyone posting here now..HAS A CHOICE

[mee-mee]

Actually there isn't much doubt in my mind about you. I asked Mee-Mee to check you out, because I think she hit a grandslam as the vig and she's spotted things I never would have noticed. I respect her skills.


Thank You Barb....I have played every game so far...and we have only lost one game...and I do see repeat patterns....and JL does kind of repeat the pattern when he was a Mafia in one of the other games...cant remember which one though....but I did go back and reread all of his posts and compared to others, and he is still doing the same as when he was Mafia...sorry JL...being a Townie and when we had no where to look, I started with DD and then you and then ogre,,,and I have been looking at KINg and Jensons and JP...but JP still a little hard to follow...

MY list is
JL
Ogre
Jensons
King
JP...
and the last really not sure....

[Swayde]

If I didnt have to work so early in the morning I would be here right with ya Swayde to the very end....but my vote will stay on JL...and if he is Mafia then we go for Ogre and then down the list.....:lipssealedsmilie:


//game off

This abscessed tooth and root canal and fever I've had have not been a total bummer hehe. I am feeling better and I got to play a LOT more than I normally would be able to =)

// game on

[mee-mee]

game off////

I am off to bed and hopefully wont dream of Mafia game 7...gggrrr

game on///

[mee-mee]

game off///

well I hope ya feel better in the morning...

as goes with your grandpa KING...

game on///

[Swayde]

what are you talking about..? how is that hypocritical? some people have no choice, everyone posting here now..HAS A CHOICE


Again, how can you say that? I will have to go to bed soon so I can wake my husband up for work and not keep him up too late and get my son into bed. I am sure other people have jobs they have to get up for and can't afford to lose sleep over a game...

[OgreMkV]

Fellow innocents, take a look at the orchestration here. Within the last few hours, I've gone from almost surely innocent to almost surely mafia because of three 3 sentence posts from THE GUY WE'RE ABOUT TO LYNCH and one long post from Mad that is about voting patterns... which I think all of us have had trouble with.

Finally, why would I make this effort if, as JL says, the game ends tonight.

[mee-mee]

Good night all and may the town of AC'ville live on in people's minds...

good night barb....KIM

[Swayde]

G'night Mee!

[KingOfTheDeep]

Again, how can you say that? I will have to go to bed soon so I can wake my husband up for work and not keep him up too late and get my son into bed. I am sure other people have jobs they have to get up for and can't afford to lose sleep over a game...

doesn't seem like having a job has affected many people is this game..

[Swayde]

Is Nightfall for sure going to be at 5am instead of 8pm tomorrow?

[KingOfTheDeep]

Fellow innocents, take a look at the orchestration here. Within the last few hours, I've gone from almost surely innocent to almost surely mafia because of three 3 sentence posts from THE GUY WE'RE ABOUT TO LYNCH and one long post from Mad that is about voting patterns... which I think all of us have had trouble with.

Finally, why would I make this effort if, as JL says, the game ends tonight.

the game ends tonight? did i miss something??

[OgreMkV]

Guys, I think I've got Jensons on the run...

Here she comes out against the 'let's lynch Judge' plan. No biggie, I did, too.


Here Judge pulls herself from the game. Doesn't appear to be anything horrible happening, although I don't know. She says she doesn't have time to play. Bye, Judge...We'll see you next time.


Now Jensons knows why Judge has left....HOW? PMing each other? Unless they're mafia, players aren't allowed to do that, are they?


Guys I think we should strongly consider Jensons as a lynch candidate for this night!

This is your big proof that JMax was the Don?!?!??!?!?!?

And so now you consider me more of a threat than Jensons?!?!?!?!?

This is weak guys... real weak.

[OgreMkV]

the game ends tonight? did i miss something??

JohnLarson said that if we don't lynch me tonight, then the game is over with a mafia win.

[KingOfTheDeep]

oh, ok

i sure hope JL is mafia..im still not sure if i should set my vote for JL or ogre..ogre has been a suspect of mine since day one..the allegations agaisnt him don't help..

[plantling]

Ogre has been pushing for JL so I think one is Mafia and one is innocent. Do we try and vote someone else we're more sure of so we can se who the Mafia Don is tomorrow before deciding on Ogre. I've thought about the JMax theory too, alot today.

[Madcrawdad]

This is your big proof that JMax was the Don?!?!??!?!?!?

And so now you consider me more of a threat than Jensons?!?!?!?!?

This is weak guys... real weak.


Nope.....Another post a few before that one. Titled something like 'DD is not the Don...'

[johnlarson66]

Fellow innocents, take a look at the orchestration here. Within the last few hours, I've gone from almost surely innocent to almost surely mafia because of three 3 sentence posts from THE GUY WE'RE ABOUT TO LYNCH and one long post from Mad that is about voting patterns... which I think all of us have had trouble with.

Finally, why would I make this effort if, as JL says, the game ends tonight.

The game ends tonight, if the town lynches an innocent and the mafia hit an innocent.

The mafia win.

Do not celebrate too quickly, someone will rain on your parade.

This is all pointless, if I can't get through to ZSandmann and Swayde then it really is pointless.

I thought for sure mee-mee would consider what I was typing. Ogre's only claim for me is that I am about to get lynched and then attacks Mad. What is up with that? They have done that the whole game.

I wish you all would have came at me when we had a chance to be wrong, I would be a little more okay with it, knowing that you would go after Ogre next.

There is no second chance. No vigilante shot. No botched lynched. This train lynch is going to cost us the game.

[ZSandmann]

RB asked earlier if we would like to shorten this Day to 5AM tonight instead of 8PM tomorrow afternoon, but I don't think everyone saw it so I don't think he will do it. We are still 6 votes short as well.

[Madcrawdad]

Ogre has been pushing for JL so I think one is Mafia and one is innocent. Do we try and vote someone else we're more sure of so we can se who the Mafia Don is tomorrow before deciding on Ogre. I've thought about the JMax theory too, alot today.

No time to switch votes every which way.....I'd go either Ogre or JL66. I'll vote with the majority.

[ZSandmann]

Well Sway and mee-mee have gone to bed so there is no way the Townies can change votes now or else the Mafia get the Majority. We have to stick to the case we've built and hope jl is really a Guido in disguise. If tomorrow comes I'll reassess all this crazy last minute stuff then.

[ZSandmann]

Day 6: 7/12
HAS NOT VOTED: Jensons, jpappy, sploke, mad, KOTD
Johnlarson66: 5 -- ZSandmann (2019) Swayde (2020) plantling (2021) mee-mee (2127) Ogre (2130)
Jpappy: 1 – Joander (1986)
Ogre: 1 – johnlarson66 (2116)
Jensons: 0 – Zsandmann (1981)
Plantling: 0 – KOTD (1952)

[ZSandmann]

joander's rogue vote that supposedly went along with my list still has me thinking they are Mafia. jo if you wanted to go with my list why not vote who I voted?

[Swayde]

Well Sway and mee-mee have gone to bed so there is no way the Townies can change votes now or else the Mafia get the Majority. We have to stick to the case we've built and hope jl is really a Guido in disguise. If tomorrow comes I'll reassess all this crazy last minute stuff then.


I'm still here. I got about an hour I'm thinking. Hubby is playing Sacred.

[ZSandmann]

But without mee-mee we can't risk a vote change

[plantling]

RB, we'll probably need until 8'oclock tomorrow night. Maybe we can sort something out tomorrow.

[KingOfTheDeep]

mee-mee is watching..

[Swayde]

She may have left the page open.

[ZSandmann]

I leave my comp on 24/7 and usually on this thread for quick reference.

[plantling]

She was shown as watching last night also, when I asked her to vote Charlie, so maybe she leaves her pc up.

[Swayde]

See when I switched off Z it was for a better candidate, a sure fire mafia & because there was a really good possibility (evidence) that he was innocent.

This time, I don't see the evidence in favor of JL being Innocent. I see people trying to get us to move our vote, but not a good reason why other than he *might* be innocent and then game over. Well that is the case for anyone at this point except for Z or Swayde and most likely Mee-Mee too.

[plantling]

Z, I've been back and forth about Ogre, also. Ogre, did you have any idea bkw was the detective?

[johnlarson66]

RB asked earlier if we would like to shorten this Day to 5AM tonight instead of 8PM tomorrow afternoon, but I don't think everyone saw it so I don't think he will do it. We are still 6 votes short as well.


I voted to shorten the day, but I thought I only had three votes on me. Ogre, Swayde and ZSandmann. I also thought once I pointed out what was going on that they would switch to Ogre.

I also see that plantling is having a little doubt, even though I am on her list.

Besides BKW's investigating, what have we done as a town. We have been guided and led to lynch innocents, lots of innocents. As a town we have not gotten any right. Mee-mee did awesome with her hit of DangerDoll, the Don, at this point I do not see how anyone else is, except judgemax.

I tried for two days to fight against the lynch trains and tried to get the town unified, for that I am about to get lynched.

At this point I am not sure when the day ends. I hope we have more time.

This is just a game and I have had fun. I will enjoy watcing game 7. It was filled up before I knew about it. I thought this game still had plenty of time. Pretty cocky. No hard feeling Ogre. I need to learn from you.

I will check in the morning. Busy day tomorrow. I fly out Wenesday morning. It will be good to be home.