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FishyMatty
08-20-2007, 11:09 PM
What does it mean when a discus flutters all his fins? My 6" Blue diamond flutters his fins every so often. It almost seems like hes twitching. None of the other fish are acting weird or spazing out at all. I have noticed another fish do it but it seemed like more of a territorial thing because he would be near another fish at the time but the blue diamond does it when hes by himself, or at least not while interacting with another discus.
What is fin fluttering?

RedScare
08-20-2007, 11:41 PM
Why do you scratch your head sometimes????

soobie
08-21-2007, 2:12 AM
Are your water parameters OK?

FishyMatty
08-21-2007, 4:06 AM
Water is fine. If indeed fin fluttering is like scratching your head then what is making him itch? There is no signs of any external parasite and he does it to often for me to say its an occasional head scratch. I would say I saw him do it 5-10 times yesterday.

pinkertd
08-21-2007, 8:32 AM
Maybe something in the water or your change water that he's having trouble getting used to? Is your water or water conditioner or other tank additives different that Al's?

Debbi:)

RedScare
08-21-2007, 8:44 AM
My Discus do that every once and a while. When they spawn and the fry eat from the parent the parent will shudder very hard to shake off the fry.

At worst you could have parasites but you will need further clinical correlation to determine if there is a problem.

Do you use carbon in your filter?

1boatnut
08-21-2007, 10:52 AM
Is this a disus only tank?
What is the water temp ?

FishyMatty
08-21-2007, 11:29 AM
The temp is 88 There are other fish besides discus(cory cats & oto cats)
No carbon, and I've had them for a few weeks now and they seem acclimated quite well but they still hide in the corner during water changes. About 10min after I'm done with the WC they are back out and swimming. I use prime as a water conditioner and I only add small amounts of macro and micro nutrients. I soak there food in vitamins too.

1boatnut
08-21-2007, 12:51 PM
Are these Discus tiny and in the grow out stage ?

The reason I ask is that is usually the temperature when trying to grow out Discus.

Also that temp is way to hot for Otto's(78 degrees) and on the border for Cory Cats
(up to 82 degrees but can tolerate up to 90)

I don't think the fluttering is any issue to be concerned,I would just keep an eye out . Is there any time in particular you notice this behavior?
Also (the other fish) that has done this,is it a Discus also ?

pinkertd
08-21-2007, 5:11 PM
This has nothing to do with the fluttering you are having, but don't you have adult discus? For adults,you do not have to keep the temp up that high. Most of what I've read from the discus experts is 84-86 for juvies, and 82-84 is perfect for adults. I think keeping adult discus at 88 all the time will be detrimental to their lifespan. Still think about the idea that maybe the BD is sensitive to the macros and micros being added to the tank. Reason I mention it is i've noticed that not all of my discus like that I add excel once in a while. He might be more sensitive to water additives than all the others. Macros and micros are still chemicals aren't they?


Debbi:)

Rbishop
08-21-2007, 6:15 PM
How soft/rough is the flow in the tank?

FishyMatty
08-21-2007, 9:13 PM
The water flow of the tank is pretty minimal. The ferts are elements and minerals not chemicals. I have only two full grown adults. I have 3 that are 3-4.5" Its really warm because I thought there was a fungus problem but what I thought was a problem went away and I just forgot to bring the temp down. I will start to lower it tonight. I've had otos in warm water for ever. Never had a death. Corys on the other hand are rather new but have shown no signs of stress.

Star_Rider
08-22-2007, 2:37 PM
the temp won't bother the discus much. I keep my adults at 84. the younger ones will benefit from the higher temp's

you have some that are not yet mature.I would keep the temp in the mid to upper 80's.

the fluttering could be signs of dominance. is this particular discus flaring the fins? are there any that keep their fins down in the presence of this one?

I wouldn't think too much of it but keep an eye on the fish.
one thing..the cory's are new additions? yes? did you qt the cory's prior to adding them to the tank? the cory's may prefer cooler temps.
the oto's may be okay.
also..oto's (some ) have a tendency to suck slime off discus..watch for that.
the discus could be showing signs of irritations.

1boatnut
08-22-2007, 7:30 PM
I've had otos in warm water for ever. Never had a death.



Well I have been out in 100 + degree weather numerous times and I am still alive too..I didn't like it much though ;)

FishyMatty
08-22-2007, 11:19 PM
the temp won't bother the discus much. I keep my adults at 84. the younger ones will benefit from the higher temp's

you have some that are not yet mature.I would keep the temp in the mid to upper 80's.

the fluttering could be signs of dominance. is this particular discus flaring the fins? are there any that keep their fins down in the presence of this one?

I wouldn't think too much of it but keep an eye on the fish.
one thing..the cory's are new additions? yes? did you qt the cory's prior to adding them to the tank? the cory's may prefer cooler temps.
the oto's may be okay.
also..oto's (some ) have a tendency to suck slime off discus..watch for that.
the discus could be showing signs of irritations.

None of the other fish fear the blue diamond and he is also the nicest discus so I don't think it is a dominance thing.
the corys were QTed but only for 2 weeks. I'll tel you they got rid of my copepod problem in less then a week.
I have actually had otos suck on discus before but not with these particular otos or discus.

I turned the heat down a little for the otos.

Star_Rider
08-22-2007, 11:32 PM
turning the heat down on stressed discus is generally not the way to go..cooler water may cause more stress.
dominance is a trait that will happen. the discus will establish a pecking order..those in the shoal that follow the order won't get much harassment.

flaring and shuddering may also be a trait when a male discus is seeking a female.

I would suggest the cory's get moved to a different tank.
or you move the discus.

adjusting the temp for the cory's may not be the brest course of action for the discus.

can you move the discus to Qt..bump temp and add salt?

if not you can only follow your course of action and hope for the best.