1.5" black moor in 10 gallon?

[LBmtb]

Hi everyone! First post here but been lurking a bit. A bit = half an hour :)

I have a 10 gallon tank that only had a feeder fish in it for about a month until the water cycled or what have you. This one's been fine for a few weeks now so I figured it was time to get a couple more fish. Ended up getting two new ones yesterday - a ryukin and black moor, each about 1.5" (the ryukin slightly bigger and wider).

Upon reading some of the posts here it seems like this might not be such a good idea with the amount of waste goldfish like these produce. I tested the water nitrate, nitrite, and ammonium and it all seemed okay but it's only been half a day. Not to mention that goldfish from what I've read can grow larger.

I'm gonna take some of it not all fish back during lunch today. Which would be my best option? ....

1) return the feeder and ryukin, keep the black moor and add a snail
2) #1 but add a few endlers
3) return them all, get a beta, snail, and few endlers

Or .... ?

[Eupterus]

A ten gal is really too small for goldfish ( plus goldfish are social) so taking them back would be a good idea if no upgrades are planned.
2 and 3 are fine.

[Sammie7]

A ten gal is really too small for goldfish ( plus goldfish are social) so taking them back would be a good idea if no upgrades are planned.
2 and 3 are fine.

no....3 is fine. in number 2 the OP plans on keeping the black moore and also adding endlers and a snail. No goldfish should be in a 10 gallon tank. I'm sure you just read it wrong...;)

[kj5kb]

My thoughts...

Want goldfish?
I would keep the feeder. If healthy he'll grow up like these big guys in my pic. Yep, all but the top right were feeder comets. Even so...10G for a comet is a bit small for long-term once he gets bigger. feed 'em and give'em room and they will grow like weeds.

Want Endler's? Give the feeder away and get Endler's. Goldfish and Bettas like Endlers for tasty live treats. See pic for my 20H endler tank with 20+ Endler's. they're very lively.

Want a Betta...give the feeder away and get a Betta.

No reason you can't add snails with any of these.

I do hate to see a healthy feeder go back to the store tho...have anyone with a large GF tank nearby to adopt it?

[wataugachicken]

#3. a good stocklist and no worries about long-term upgrades.

[fishcatch22]

mmmm... I wouldn't try a betta with endlers personally. remember that bettas are predators, and a endlers are just small enough to be tempting, especially the young ones. the males also are colorful and have long fins, so may incur a case of mistaken identity, with the betta thinking they are rival male bettas. getting a female would mitigate the latter complaint, and they do reproduce quite prolifically so a few fry here and there are of little consequence. overall it sounds good, but because theres a possiblity of mistaken identity i'd go with a female betta.

[silentskream]

here's a picture of my black moor. this is a 90 gallon tank and his tank mates (the other fish) are all between 2 and 3 inches in length (not including the fins) he's also at the back of the tank and the little fish are at the front.. so he's about a foot behind them. keep in mind that black moors are on the smaller side of goldfish.. feeder fish get even larger.

i know its not the best quality photo, but i hope that gives you some idea as to the size (and therefore the tank requirements) for these fish.

good luck!

[wataugachicken]

oh man. . . . your black moor is actually still black at that size. how lucky.

mine turned orange.

[silentskream]

he's got a lot of orange undertone.. especially on the belly area, but you can't really tell in the pictures.

i was told that the way to avoid that was to keep them in colder temps.. but i've never been able to keep my tank cooler than 70 degrees, and i dont know how accurate the statement was anyway, so it didnt seem worth it to get a chiller.

[jm1212]

#3 sounds like the best choice, but then again you amy want to consider some other species of fish for your tank. bettas are also tropical fish, so you need to get a heater anyway

[Firebelly__girl]

Silent - he's awesome! I can never keep black moors alive, I have no idea why, they always die suddenly while the other goldfish are fine, no idea. But your is so pretty, mine always had a lot of gold in him when they were only 2-3 inches long, they are pretty fish.

[riddle4sphinx]

I've never tried this, but it was recommended to me once on this site (but it was awhile ago, so i'm sure there have been good and bad stories about people trying this since then) But with a ten gallon tank, you could possibly get 3 female bettas as long as you have plenty of places for them to hide and so no individual one really gets picked on. I was told that there will be one dominant one, but the other two will share the picking on, so it will be ok divided like that. I could be totally off my nut here or ten gallons could be too small for this idea.... but just a thought. Feel free anyone to set me straight :)

[cuticom]

This is my nine year old moore, 22 cm body (9") 8 cm tail (3"), once upon a time he was a black moore anyway LOL, more like a gold and black telescope now.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/cutencoolcages/bigfish041resize.jpg

I'd say take the goldies back and get something smaller such as a betta or endlers.

[silentskream]

oh wow i didn't know they turned that much orange.
weird.

[wataugachicken]

mine is even more orange than that at, hmmm, maybe 3 and a half years old?

1/2 inch of the top fin is still black, and the very tips of the pectoral fins have a bit of black. body is completely orange, turning a little white in the belly, and his tail is just incredible. about half orange and half black, but streaky, not a solid line of color. the tip of his tail is white that streaks down into the black, and the tri-color look of it is like nothing i've seen. i'll try to get a pic of it when my boyfriend comes home.

[cuticom]

Emperor (the moore) is actually returning to black, I added some new lights to his tank, which have seriously changed his colour, I think its the red spectrum that gives them the black colour...

He's 9 years old too, you gotta expect some major colour change by then....

[Dwarf Puffers]

I've never tried this, but it was recommended to me once on this site (but it was awhile ago, so i'm sure there have been good and bad stories about people trying this since then) But with a ten gallon tank, you could possibly get 3 female bettas as long as you have plenty of places for them to hide and so no individual one really gets picked on. I was told that there will be one dominant one, but the other two will share the picking on, so it will be ok divided like that. I could be totally off my nut here or ten gallons could be too small for this idea.... but just a thought. Feel free anyone to set me straight :)

Could work, depends on the personalities. With 2 giant caves, 2 driftwood caves (1 is desired by all) and java moss, my 2 females fought over the good driftwood cave in a 75g. It ended up the first in won, and now the dominant one isn't submissive and isn't the leader. They don't seem to mind each other. If only it would last *sighs*.

IME, female bettas will go after guppies (likely the same with endlers, they're similar) if they don't get to know them (like through a bag). If you go with endlers, 4 endlers and a betta would be nice. Get the endlers first and leave the betta in the bag so both parties will know there's no new food.

[katiethree]

what is an endler? worm? angler we say here...but maybe it's not a worm your talking about...............tell me so i can ask more questions about my fishys

[cuticom]

Endler is a fish, its a livebearer, realted to guppies....

[Dwarf Puffers]

what is an endler? worm? angler we say here...but maybe it's not a worm your talking about...............tell me so i can ask more questions about my fishys

Hehehe, a worm :grinyes:

[katiethree]

well i didn't know....haha.....i know funny........oh well now i know ... :)

[gemlady7788]

i got a black moor two 1/2 yrs ago. He is over 10 inches long--never expected that. Goldfish are nasty fish. I have two in a 55 gallon so be prepared for ammonia and nitates in a small tank

[Lupin]

i got a black moor two 1/2 yrs ago. He is over 10 inches long--never expected that. Goldfish are nasty fish. I have two in a 55 gallon so be prepared for ammonia and nitates in a small tank
How are goldfish nasty?:confused:

[Sammie7]

How are goldfish nasty?:confused:

They poop all over the place?(mainly in the tank...:uhoh:) :eek3::grinyes: