Mafia #13 - The Witches of ACville- the play

[ZSandmann]

Votes:
4-JudgeMax: Zsandmann, DD, bluerat, DC
4-Plantling: JM, LadyG, Ice, sploke
2-Charlie: jpappy, BrkD
2-Ice: Plantling, Ogre
2-DeputyChief: Swayde, Charlie
Retracted:
Ice: Charlie
Lady G: Ice
Sploke: Ogre
King: Swayde
BrkD: Charlie
Zsand: Ice

[Lady G]

Hey, why am I the only one posting now...did someone cast the "invisibility" spell?:lol2:


This is from that same site:

Talking to your pet
: If you have a pet cat and would like to know what it is saying when all your mortal ear can hear is a meow get your cat to sit still in front of you and say tail of rat wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! to be extra sure the spell works tap the cat in between the ears 3 times before you cast the spell

Yes, and your witch is holding a cat....do you talk to your pets Plant?

[Lady G]

Votes:
4-JudgeMax: Zsandmann, DD, bluerat, DC
4-Plantling: JM, LadyG, Ice, sploke
2-Charlie: jpappy, BrkD
2-Ice: Plantling, Ogre
2-DeputyChief: Swayde, Charlie
Retracted:
Ice: Charlie
Lady G: Ice
Sploke: Ogre
King: Swayde
BrkD: Charlie
Zsand: Ice

Thanks Z, I was just wondering about that!

[Sploke]

I talk to my fish....

[Lady G]

I talk to my fish....

Evil...pure,:Angel: Evil

[jpappy789]

just come home from a long day out plus part of the evening at theme park as october has fright nights throughout the month, and i have you 'll never believe been dressed as a witch. by putting myself in this position all day under the watchfull eye of hundreds of people have discovered that by looking the obvious you are often ignored....so are the understated often the under estimated


well im so far not a big poster on this game, and some are doing alot,
so being wary of newbie is reason enough to get a vote then surley those that do alot will be equally so that is what i meant

Bluerat you are being very cryptic. That post still does not make any sense...why did you put it like that???

[ZSandmann]

I talk to my cat but I usually end up getting clawed in the face.

[ZSandmann]

lol pappy I think we have two nutty newbs

[Swayde]

I talk to my plants, fish, dog, son, husband, computer, myself....does that make me totally insane? It's okay if it does, makes life so much more interesting =)

[ZSandmann]

I was drinking and watching football from 1 pm until I posted last night, thanks. I really have no reason to play around like I want to trick people so badly. Let's get real here. Sway, you've been after me every game for the same reason and when you finally get me killed you find out I was innocent and then say some silly thing like, "oh I read him wrong." Well it's time for you to stop reading me wrong and look for real suspects. I'm gonna go after JM since we've gotten very little from her since the slip was pointed out. Sorry I was busy out having a life, apparently you actually get crucified in this game for it.

I vote to burn JM at the stake.

I agree with you, JM hasn't answered my questions either, but wanted to point out what she said wasn't really a slip. It was withholding information more than anything. I mean it could of been nothing more than a hunch she had but JM's lists are notorious whether she wants them to be or not, and if she has one I'd like for her to share it with us.

[ZSandmann]

I talk to my plants, fish, dog, son, husband, computer, myself....does that make me totally insane? It's okay if it does, makes life so much more interesting =)

That's right as long as I have the voices in my head I'm never alone. :drool:

[Lady G]

If we are going to look at things in this light I would have to say:

Bat-Jmax
Rat-Bluerat
Cat-Plant/Z

As far as the spells go, I will have to think about it more...I was thinking they were more just his "appropriate" spell for the topic at that time. But now that it has been brought up I would have to think more, just a wild thought would be...
The Invisible one-Ice
The pet one-Plant
The telepath one- DC...his low post
This is of coarse just a wild guess right now but for Day one alot to think about, that is just it...it's day one I can't see Rb pointing out ALL the witches on day 1.
What I could see is his "hints" pointing to 1 or 2, or he may of thought no one would pick up on it just yet.
As I said when I first posted about it, I never really read much into his hints before so I'm not sure what to make of them..how far he goes and such.

[jpappy789]

I talk to my plants, fish, dog, son, husband, computer, myself....does that make me totally insane? It's okay if it does, makes life so much more interesting =)

insanity=witch

I vote to burn all insane people:D

[jpappy789]

I wouldn't actually look into rb's "clues" day one and then base them on peoples avatars and such seeing as the are easily changeable.

If more stuff comes out later in the game then I will look into it

[jpappy789]

I forgot to do this ealier

I retract my vote off of Charlie

Wasn't a really serious vote in the first place and nothing "witchy" is coming from him.

So now...

I vote to burn Ice

I may be completely wrong but something doesn't seem right. He is really going out of his way to try and nail a few people right away on day one.

And I'm sure I will be questioned for this but like his list it's a hunch

[ZSandmann]

I think there is way too much being read into the spells personally. If he had made them up I might be more inclined to believe them, but if they are real, and they are as I Googled them, then I think he was just setting a mood for the game. Can't say 100% either way though. Lady you say JM for bat but there are bats in your avatar too for example. What I guess I'm suggesting is that we not let them override our sense of the game, focus on a persons body of posts more than an avatar.

[Lady G]

I wouldn't actually look into rb's "clues" day one and then base them on peoples avatars and such seeing as the are easily changeable.

If more stuff comes out later in the game then I will look into it

Yes, I thought of that also...but changing of a avatar after this was brought up would be obvious at this point don't you think?:huh:

[ZSandmann]

KOTD is the only person that has not voted I just noticed. He hasn't posted a lot but nothing Witchy from him so far, just checking my notes.

[ZSandmann]

Yes, I thought of that also...but changing of a avatar after this was brought up would be obvious at this point don't you think?:huh:

Yes if I saw someone change their avatar I would likely want to question and/or vote for them.

[Swayde]

I think there is way too much being read into the spells personally. If he had made them up I might be more inclined to believe them, but if they are real, and they are as I Googled them, then I think he was just setting a mood for the game. Can't say 100% either way though. Lady you say JM for bat but there are bats in your avatar too for example. What I guess I'm suggesting is that we not let them override our sense of the game, focus on a persons body of posts more than an avatar.


Aye DD and Lady G both have bats in their avatars, so why just pick JM? I know you didn't Z, I am just agreeing with your post. The question is for Lady G since she's the one who singled out JM for the bat.

I don't happen to think the spell thingys are clues though. RB usually only gives game related clues during Nightfall.

[jpappy789]

Yes, I thought of that also...but changing of a avatar after this was brought up would be obvious at this point don't you think?:huh:

But how likely is it that rb found a clue containing stuff for every witches avatar huh?

[jpappy789]

Yes if I saw someone change their avatar I would likely want to question and/or vote for them.

Haha I changed my avatar but only because snoopy on a pumpkin really doesn't add to the theme of the game

Oh no I will be singled out for sure because I mentioned an avatar change:nilly:

[Lady G]

I think there is way too much being read into the spells personally. If he had made them up I might be more inclined to believe them, but if they are real, and they are as I Googled them, then I think he was just setting a mood for the game. Can't say 100% either way though. Lady you say JM for bat but there are bats in your avatar too for example. What I guess I'm suggesting is that we not let them override our sense of the game, focus on a persons body of posts more than an avatar.

Yes, I realize that Z...but I don't think I would point that out if I was witch simply b/c it DOES include myself in the "avatar" thing...but if you combine his "spell" w/ what is said about maybe we need more posts it would seem to point more toward Jmax at this point.
No, I do not believe we should base the entire game around avatars. Wasn't RB the mod for the Mafia game w/ the old and new Mafia? The only reason I brought this up is because THAT game was a dead giveaway as to who was who.

[plantling]

Jmax also has a bat flying in her background...she has been what I would consider a low poster also.
Yes, Jmax does, and I was wondering why Ice didn't mention that. Also I was wrong about the 4 way tie. JM actually had 3 votes when Ice pulled off of you and voted for Z and then switched to me which tied us. Can't help but wonder if there's a connection there.

OMG, I didn't even catch that..I've been looking at his avatar trying to figure out what it was, wow good catch there plant., no it doesn't make you less suspisious to me right now, but it does make more sence for that IMO. But I think I like the "cat" better for you then Z at this point.



Now any thoughts on this one? It is a telepathy "spell" with this one you are suppose to "see" anothers thoughts?
Telepathy would be great right about now.


I do agree this could mean that we were voting in the wrong direction at that point. But then that would also mean that Brkd is not witch, I'm not sure I accept that right now. Besides him none of the ones on this list look suspisious at this point to me, yes I know I teased Sploke some in the begining, but really that is all it was then "teasing" him nothing more. Plant did read more into it then that and I believe the only to mention it since.
I did feel you were badgering him and the reason I ever brought it back up was because you kept saying I didn't read all the posts. I read where he said he was in spelling B's then you misspelled candle to try and see if he would catch it and when he didn't you tried to make it seem like he must be evil for it and I simply pointed out that that wasn't good logic because pple mispelled all the time accidentally.


Hey, why am I the only one posting now...did someone cast the "invisibility" spell?:lol2:



Yes, and your witch is holding a cat....do you talk to your pets Plant?
I'm allergic to cats and dogs, actually. It's the pet dander. Puffy, red eyes, runny nose, sneezing, etc.


lol pappy I think we have two nutty newbs
Yes, they both seem a bit odd, but can't say I wasn't when I first started playing. Wait, I'm still odd...

[Lady G]

Aye DD and Lady G both have bats in their avatars, so why just pick JM? I know you didn't Z, I am just agreeing with your post. The question is for Lady G since she's the one who singled out JM for the bat.

I don't happen to think the spell thingys are clues though. RB usually only gives game related clues during Nightfall.

Actually Swayde, I originally posted DD with the bat theme mainly because hers say's "bat doll" in it. The more I thought about things as spells, meanings and such have been brought up, Jmax seemed to fit better to me.

[ZSandmann]

Haha I changed my avatar but only because snoopy on a pumpkin really doesn't add to the theme of the game

Oh no I will be singled out for sure because I mentioned an avatar change:nilly:

I just saw that before you posted, lmao. The Great Pumpkin is not one to be messed with!

[jpappy789]

I was drinking and watching football from 1 pm until I posted last night, thanks. I really have no reason to play around like I want to trick people so badly. Let's get real here. Sway, you've been after me every game for the same reason and when you finally get me killed you find out I was innocent and then say some silly thing like, "oh I read him wrong." Well it's time for you to stop reading me wrong and look for real suspects. I'm gonna go after JM since we've gotten very little from her since the slip was pointed out. Sorry I was busy out having a life, apparently you actually get crucified in this game for it.

I vote to burn JM at the stake.

Wow. I just noticed this.

DC justifies his vote on jm because of less posting even though she posted quite a lot defending herself last night and just hasn't been on since then.

Then he uhe says he was busy watching football because people were pointing out HIS amount of posts, which I believe...BUT!

then he says people get curicifed in this game for having a life. Isn't that what jm said? Isn't that basically why DC is voting for her...because she isn't posting?!

I may be reading this wrong but it sounds waaaay too hypocritical.

I retract my vote on Ice and

I vote to burn DC at the stake

[ZSandmann]

I'm allergic to cats and dogs, actually. It's the pet dander. Puffy, red eyes, runny nose, sneezing, etc.

Aww, that's sad, if I were allergic to my cats I'd have to take allergy shots everyday because I don't think I could live without them.

[Lady G]

Telepathy would be great right about now.
Yes, it would!

I did feel you were badgering him and the reason I ever brought it back up was because you kept saying I didn't read all the posts. I read where he said he was in spelling B's then you misspelled candle to try and see if he would catch it and when he didn't you tried to make it seem like he must be evil for it and I simply pointed out that that wasn't good logic because pple mispelled all the time accidentally.
Honestly I CAN see how it could be perceived as "badgering" I guess, but it really wasn't my intent, I just did that because of the topic at the time.

I'm allergic to cats and dogs, actually. It's the pet dander. Puffy, red eyes, runny nose, sneezing, etc.


Yes, they both seem a bit odd, but can't say I wasn't when I first started playing. Wait, I'm still odd...
You could obviously add me to that whole "odd" thing!!:D

"Yes, Jmax does, and I was wondering why Ice didn't mention that. Also I was wrong about the 4 way tie. JM actually had 3 votes when Ice pulled off of you and voted for Z and then switched to me which tied us. Can't help but wonder if there's a connection there"
This is really what I wanted to comment on, of coarse it wont bring it over in my quote..since it was a quote w/in a quote...but yes I was wondering that myself, that would be why after he posted it I pointed out Jmax had one also and then started looking more into things as they were posted and decided she fit the whole "bat" theory best IMO.

Since this was brought up I do at this time want to retract my vote for Plant...and vote to burn Jmax

Of coarse this is subject to change at anytime, others it may be switched to would be DC, back to plant or Ice.

[Swayde]

I'm allergic to pet dander as well, but I do have a small chihuahua mix dog. I take Allegra-D to keep my allergy symptoms at a minimum. I am also allergic to mold and dust mites. I am basically sick all the time =/

[Sploke]

I think DC's logic was that he said he was out partying, and someone said something to the effect of "yeah likely story you're probably just evil". anyone who has played in at least one game with DC knows his history of missed votes and drunk postings...hm if I keep going someone's going to try and start an intervention. Anyway, JM also has a history of posting a fair amount, most of which contain not much actual info, but allusions to having info, and lots of excuses why she can't post. If she spent that time actually posting thoughts instead of excuses, she'd actually contribute a fair amount to the game.

[Lady G]

Wow. I just noticed this.

DC justifies his vote on jm because of less posting even though she posted quite a lot defending herself last night and just hasn't been on since then.

Then he uhe says he was busy watching football because people were pointing out HIS amount of posts, which I believe...BUT!

then he says people get curicifed in this game for having a life. Isn't that what jm said? Isn't that basically why DC is voting for her...because she isn't posting?!

I may be reading this wrong but it sounds waaaay too hypocritical.

I retract my vote on Ice and

I vote to burn DC at the stake

JPAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My head is already spinning from everything going on, then you come and post this! Darn you:mad2: YES, this is very hypocritical! I am not going to change my vote at this time but MAN you make me want to!!!

[Lady G]

I think DC's logic was that he said he was out partying, and someone said something to the effect of "yeah likely story you're probably just evil". anyone who has played in at least one game with DC knows his history of missed votes and drunk postings...hm if I keep going someone's going to try and start an intervention. Anyway, JM also has a history of posting a fair amount, most of which contain not much actual info, but allusions to having info, and lots of excuses why she can't post. If she spent that time actually posting thoughts instead of excuses, she'd actually contribute a fair amount to the game.

Thank you Sploke, you brought me back out of my AHHHHH cloud!

[plantling]

Yes, I realize that Z...but I don't think I would point that out if I was witch simply b/c it DOES include myself in the "avatar" thing...but if you combine his "spell" w/ what is said about maybe we need more posts it would seem to point more toward Jmax at this point.
No, I do not believe we should base the entire game around avatars. Wasn't RB the mod for the Mafia game w/ the old and new Mafia? The only reason I brought this up is because THAT game was a dead giveaway as to who was who.
So you wouldn't point out the bat for yourself but you think I would point out the pet spell for myself?

Really, if what I've done or said has caused pple to think I'm witchy then so be it, but the spells may have just been placed randomly in spirit of the witch theme of this game. I'm personally going to be looking at what and how pple post.

[ZSandmann]

Yeah I sometimes wonder about DC's "drunk" posts. I know the few times I've come home from a blaock party or what have you, I have went straight to bed without even thinking of needing to get on here and post.

[Sploke]

Ah, see I just sit in front of the computer and drink, but usually its in chat so nothing is saved for posterity, which is probably a good thing lol.

[ZSandmann]

That should read "block" party. Never been to a black party, blue party, or bloke party. :D

[jpappy789]

I think DC's logic was that he said he was out partying, and someone said something to the effect of "yeah likely story you're probably just evil". anyone who has played in at least one game with DC knows his history of missed votes and drunk postings...hm if I keep going someone's going to try and start an intervention.A nyway, JM also has a history of posting a fair amount, most of which contain not much actual info, but allusions to having info, and lots of excuses why she can't post.If she spent that time actually posting thoughts instead of excuses, she'd actually contribute a fair amount to the game.

I wasn't questioning DC's excuses for being gone. I was wondering why he then turned it around on jm.

And if I remember correctly, you said before that jm usually acts like this and now you said it again. So why are you defending DC for using this to justify a vote?

She could very well be a witch but I think that using her not posting her thoughts every second is a lame idea. And I sometimes understand why she posts all her excuses...like DC said...you get qoute-unquote "crucified" in this game for having a life

So now it seems like you are flip-flopping sploke. Not a good townie strategy imo...

And how the plantling vote working for you? I believe you said you would go along with it and see how it works out because you didn't have anyone else...any thoughts on that yet?

[DeputyChiefJR]

I'm not voting for JM because of her low post counts. I'm voting based on her allusion to having info on the first day. The first day is always a mad grasp for straws. We all know this. Once again I'd like to reiterate a point I've made before, low posts have never pointed to guilt or innocence. In the the BioBadlands game, BKW was quite vocal and was the leader of the badguys. We need to find better clues than this person doesn't talk much.

[Lady G]

So you wouldn't point out the bat for yourself but you think I would point out the pet spell for myself?

Really, if what I've done or said has caused pple to think I'm witchy then so be it, but the spells may have just been placed randomly in spirit of the witch theme of this game. I'm personally going to be looking at what and how pple post.

Yes, plant I realize that also (boy I realize alot don't I). Anyway notice the change in vote. No I am not saying I believe you innocent at this point, but because of other things I am changing my vote at this time.

To be honest, with all this avatar, spell, meanings, talk I am going in circles right now and trying not to get "crazy" like I do sometimes so I am going to walk away from the computer and regather myself for a while I think:grinyes:

[plantling]

You could obviously add me to that whole "odd" thing!!:D
Seriously as a kid and even sometimes now I feel like Charlie Brown who always gets the rock. Santa would be passing out cookies to all the kids but he would miss me. Maybe that's why I reacted to that Sploke thing because I was a nerdyish kid whose favorite subject was Spelling.

"Yes, Jmax does, and I was wondering why Ice didn't mention that. Also I was wrong about the 4 way tie. JM actually had 3 votes when Ice pulled off of you and voted for Z and then switched to me which tied us. Can't help but wonder if there's a connection there"
This is really what I wanted to comment on, of coarse it wont bring it over in my quote..since it was a quote w/in a quote...but yes I was wondering that myself, that would be why after he posted it I pointed out Jmax had one also and then started looking more into things as they were posted and decided she fit the whole "bat" theory best IMO.

Since this was brought up I do at this time want to retract my vote for Plant...and vote to burn Jmax

Of coarse this is subject to change at anytime, others it may be switched to would be DC, back to plant or Ice.
Fair enough


I'm allergic to pet dander as well, but I do have a small chihuahua mix dog. I take Allegra-D to keep my allergy symptoms at a minimum. I am also allergic to mold and dust mites. I am basically sick all the time =/
I take over the counter 24HR claritin, but I really should go get an RX as it's prolly cheaper. Though I don't take it everyday, just when I know I'll be exposed to the elements. My sister still kids me about my "snot rags" (kleenex) that I usually carry around just in case.

I need to go check on the baby. BBL this afternoon.

[Lady G]

Ok, I know I said I was going but had to post a thought here:

I wasn't questioning DC's excuses for being gone. I was wondering why he then turned it around on jm.

And if I remember correctly, you said before that jm usually acts like this and now you said it again. So why are you defending DC for using this to justify a vote?
I believe it was also pointed out that she has only played 3 games 2 of which she was "bad", so if she is posting like usual then...logic would put her evil, no?

She could very well be a witch but I think that using her not posting her thoughts every second is a lame idea. And I sometimes understand why she posts all her excuses...like DC said...you get qoute-unquote "crucified" in this game for having a life
Again this is something she did last game, lot's of excuses and EVIL.:evil_lol:

So now it seems like you are flip-flopping sploke. Not a good townie strategy imo...

And how the plantling vote working for you? I believe you said you would go along with it and see how it works out because you didn't have anyone else...any thoughts on that yet?

[jpappy789]

I'm not voting for JM because of her low post counts. I'm voting based on her allusion to having info on the first day. The first day is always a mad grasp for straws. We all know this. Once again I'd like to reiterate a point I've made before, low posts have never pointed to guilt or innocence. In the the BioBadlands game, BKW was quite vocal and was the leader of the badguys. We need to find better clues than this person doesn't talk much.

If you haven't played with jm then I understand this but I think your friend sploke pointed this out already...this is normal for jm.

And I find it odd that you have yet to really talk about anyone other than jm and yourself this game...

[Sploke]

How exactly am I flip-flopping? I am (trying to) defend the same position I took up last night, i.e. suspicion of JM and DD, although I haven't posted anything about DD at all today. I then voted for plantling because of some of the commentary from others, and so far I haven't seen any reason to change. First day is a crapshoot anyway, as we all know. For the innocent anyway, the witches should have a pretty clear idea of who to vote for. Anyway, tell me where in there I'm flip flopping around and I'll try to explain my thoughts.

[jpappy789]

Lady G. I understand the point that she has been evil more often than not so any normal activity for her could be taken the evil way.

But I think it would be more "evil" of her to suddenly change her style of play after being caught last time for all the wierd things she said.

I mean if she is evil again, why would she continue with the excuses unless they are real and she has nothing to hide and she is not really evil???

[jpappy789]

How exactly am I flip-flopping? I am (trying to) defend the same position I took up last night, i.e. suspicion of JM and DD, although I haven't posted anything about DD at all today. I then voted for plantling because of some of the commentary from others, and so far I haven't seen any reason to change. First day is a crapshoot anyway, as we all know. For the innocent anyway, the witches should have a pretty clear idea of who to vote for. Anyway, tell me where in there I'm flip flopping around and I'll try to explain my thoughts.

I meant flip-flopping with defending DC's point on jm and you own point about her acting normal.

[Lady G]

Ok, one last thing since I brought it up to Jpap...here is were it was posted about how many games Jmax has played and how many were evil.


games 4,5, and 12, I believe. I'm not stalking you I just have a weird memory. It's been ages, but while in France I was able to utilize French I'd learned in highschool. :)

Ice, I was going to change my vote but the more you post the more I think you may indeed be witchy. Ogre, Z, and Lady G are indeed good players and does look like a list that the witch's may want gone. I suppose I'm on there because I voted for you and even though it was just for a reaction, it must have hit a nerve. A witchy nerve.


Your right, lol, and two out of the three I was mafia, so, I guess, none of you actually know my innocent style, lol...
Personally I haven't noticed a difference yet.

[Dangerdoll]

ok, if we are looking to RB's posts as clues for who we ashould be focusing on, this is what I've come up with.

a noted and posted difference in white/black witches, AND the three foldfold train of thoughts, so soon! Some folks have been reading up! Great! - post 34

Noting that there are noticable differences in witches and that the town is doing a little homework.

Go away evil dreams
its not what it seems
go away go far away leave my dreams sight
give me at least one good night - Post 126

Perhaps this is saying it's someone experieced, a veteran of the game. One who is usually voted off early. Perhaps, this is Ice..... whether it's saying that he is evil is to be determined. It says to go away evil dreams, it's not what it seems. Perhaps it's saying that he is a PR.


"Cast of a shadow I am thee, make the ones who look, not see me.
I am thin air not to be seen, I am a shadow invisible both silent and lean." - Post 127

I am led to believe this may be Judge. Cast of a shadow make ones look... that to me is saying that the very witch we spoke about in the upper left hand corner of her avatar is precisely the one mentioned here. Thin air, not to be seen....yeap, tells me it's Judge.


"As it be thought in the mind of others
both familiar and strange
both sisters and brothers
may it be heard in mine own head
loud and clear as if it'd been said." - Post 188

This to me is saying that there is someone who we have in common on our suspected lists but we aren't making too much of a big deal about it, maybe we just aren't coming together with it. Perhaps this is saying we should be looking at a newbie.


tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! - Post 190

Not really sure of this as the visuals are all over our avatars and names. However, I do see the points brought up by you guys but I do think that either we are reading either too far into it or not enough. If I were to guess at a glance, it is saying to me that someone who drinks the witchy brew is quite talkative. That can be LG, she's got 67 posts here, while Z has 35posts and is in 2nd place then we have 3rd place Ice who has 27 posts.

[jpappy789]

Sploke I am trying to figure out how you went from point A to point B with your thoughts on judge.


I've seen this pattern from JM before. Its aggravating but not necessarily incriminating, she goes off about how she's picking up on clues no one else sees and has things figured out, but then doesn't tell anyone whats going on. Not exactly new...

This does not seem like you are entirely suspicious of jm at all. You even said it was not necessarily incriminating.



Also, JM seems like she's kind of blowing everyone off regardless of what they say about her, and as usual the shopping list of why she may or may not be active at any given moment. Seems like someone trying way too hard to seem like they're not trying to seem innocent..

Then you jump to saying she is suspicious??? If I read this correctly, you don't think her clue thing was suspicious but her excuses were???


Well, just checking in for the day. Doesn't look like a whole lot has happened since last night, more of the usual first-day maniacal suspicions. I want to laugh at the efforts to pull clues out of Rb's postings, but at the same time, having been in some of his games where he actually did throw in clues, I can't really blow them off. Anyway, I'm going along with the plantling vote for now, since there doesn't seem to be any solid reasoning for anything else as far as a first-day vote. I'll be watching most of the day so we'll see how this develops. I vote to burn plantling.

Funny how you didn't see a solid reason to vote anyone and just chose plantling to go along with it but now you come back after being questioned and say that you agree with people about their suspicions of her. I have no doubt in my mind that you wouldn't have ever mentioned your vote on plantling again unless you decided to switch to another innocent tonight...


How exactly am I flip-flopping? I am (trying to) defend the same position I took up last night, i.e. suspicion of JM and DD, although I haven't posted anything about DD at all today. I then voted for plantling because of some of the commentary from others, and so far I haven't seen any reason to change. First day is a crapshoot anyway, as we all know. For the innocent anyway, the witches should have a pretty clear idea of who to vote for. Anyway, tell me where in there I'm flip flopping around and I'll try to explain my thoughts.

[jpappy789]

Ok, one last thing since I brought it up to Jpap...here is were it was posted about how many games Jmax has played and how many were evil.




Personally I haven't noticed a difference yet.

Same here. So why is everyone assuming she is evil based on her posting this game when she has played good and evil the same way?

[Sploke]

Sploke I am trying to figure out how you went from point A to point B with your thoughts on judge.



This does not seem like you are entirely suspicious of jm at all. You even said it was not necessarily incriminating.



Then you jump to saying she is suspicious??? If I read this correctly, you don't think her clue thing was suspicious but her excuses were???



Funny how you didn't see a solid reason to vote anyone and just chose plantling to go along with it but now you come back after being questioned and say that you agree with people about their suspicions of her. I have no doubt in my mind that you wouldn't have ever mentioned your vote on plantling again unless you decided to switch to another innocent tonight...

This post isn't making a whole lot of sense to me but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts.

First, yes looking at JM I saw the same pattern emerging. After a few more posts from her, it began to look (to me anyway) like an evil person trying really hard to seem innocent. So, hence the increase in suspicion level. that tends to happen in this game, people change their minds as they get new information and insights from others.

When I voted plantling, I stated then that I was going along with the reasons that had been previously given. Stating that again is not exactly a jump.

I'm not sure what you mean with the comment about not mentioning the vote again unless called out on it. Plenty of people make a vote then don't say much else about it unless they decide to change.

I guess I just don't see where the suspicion is coming from. You're taking normal game elements and saying that they are making me look suspicious. I'm not really sure how else to play the game besides looking for clues and changing my perceptions of people, then voting. If you have a better way, please feel free to enlighten me.

[ZSandmann]

What is everyone working or something? :D

[Swayde]

I'm here, but I was working out and going over my son's assignments for the day =)

[Swayde]

I wonder if KoTD is going to get a vote in time or die another untimely death due to lack of voting.

[DeputyChiefJR]

I haven't seen a lot that makes me super suspicious yet. The newbies are playing weird but that's pretty normal. Everyone's acting like their normal selves. Right now I think DD, LG and Jpap are probably innocent. Mostly because their styles seem more relaxed and talkative than the times when they're evil. ZSand, Swayde and CS have my interest but I need to see more of them before I make any decisions one way or another. KOTD and Ogre have been quiet but their few posts have had logic to them. I guess I'll keep rereading and looking for stuff.

[Lady G]

ok, if we are looking to RB's posts as clues for who we ashould be focusing on, this is what I've come up with.

a noted and posted difference in white/black witches, AND the three foldfold train of thoughts, so soon! Some folks have been reading up! Great! - post 34

Noting that there are noticable differences in witches and that the town is doing a little homework.

Go away evil dreams
its not what it seems
go away go far away leave my dreams sight
give me at least one good night - Post 126

Perhaps this is saying it's someone experieced, a veteran of the game. One who is usually voted off early. Perhaps, this is Ice..... whether it's saying that he is evil is to be determined. It says to go away evil dreams, it's not what it seems. Perhaps it's saying that he is a PR.


"Cast of a shadow I am thee, make the ones who look, not see me.
I am thin air not to be seen, I am a shadow invisible both silent and lean." - Post 127

I am led to believe this may be Judge. Cast of a shadow make ones look... that to me is saying that the very witch we spoke about in the upper left hand corner of her avatar is precisely the one mentioned here. Thin air, not to be seen....yeap, tells me it's Judge.


"As it be thought in the mind of others
both familiar and strange
both sisters and brothers
may it be heard in mine own head
loud and clear as if it'd been said." - Post 188

This to me is saying that there is someone who we have in common on our suspected lists but we aren't making too much of a big deal about it, maybe we just aren't coming together with it. Perhaps this is saying we should be looking at a newbie.


tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! - Post 190

Not really sure of this as the visuals are all over our avatars and names. However, I do see the points brought up by you guys but I do think that either we are reading either too far into it or not enough. If I were to guess at a glance, it is saying to me that someone who drinks the witchy brew is quite talkative. That can be LG, she's got 67 posts here, while Z has 35posts and is in 2nd place then we have 3rd place Ice who has 27 posts.

You have some good points here DD, way's I hadn't looked at things yet. On the train of thought you are going with then the last one could read "Let" this cat to chit and chat, I do post alot...and the last 2 games I was good in (while the first I ended up getting turned) but anyway my point is that I get jumped on for my "chit chat". I'm sure someone will come off with "Oh yea, conventient that we should look at this as good since it's you" I would think and most likely say that too, BUT if we are looking into things the way you have presented them that is how I would take it.

[Swayde]

I haven't seen a lot that makes me super suspicious yet. The newbies are playing weird but that's pretty normal. Everyone's acting like their normal selves. Right now I think DD, LG and Jpap are probably innocent. Mostly because their styles seem more relaxed and talkative than the times when they're evil. ZSand, Swayde and CS have my interest but I need to see more of them before I make any decisions one way or another. KOTD and Ogre have been quiet but their few posts have had logic to them. I guess I'll keep rereading and looking for stuff.


I am actually considering going back to my random vote because I don't see anything from anyone worth burning them for. Nothing has popped out at me as overly suspicious. I don't have any strong hunches on anyone or even any small evil feelings about anyone. I think my witch-o-meter is busted =/

[Swayde]

I wish we knew how many witches there were. I like being able to say okay, there are 5 bad guys and 10 good guys and then I can categorize people accordingly...the top 10 people I think are innocent or a few bad guys and the shady, in-between folks and then pick out the person I think is most lkely evil. This not knowing how many there are kinda throws a wrench into that strategy though and so I have to assume everyone is a witch, but I know a few are definitely good power roles and then it really gets hard....argggh...can't think =/

[DeputyChiefJR]

I wish we knew how many witches there were. I like being able to say okay, there are 5 bad guys and 10 good guys and then I can categorize people accordingly...the top 10 people I think are innocent or a few bad guys and the shady, in-between folks and then pick out the person I think is most lkely evil. This not knowing how many there are kinda throws a wrench into that strategy though and so I have to assume everyone is a witch, but I know a few are definitely good power roles and then it really gets hard....argggh...can't think =/

Yeah, there's always the big danger of confusing good power people with witches. I seem to do that at least once a game.

[IceH2O]

ok, if we are looking to RB's posts as clues for who we ashould be focusing on, this is what I've come up with.

a noted and posted difference in white/black witches, AND the three foldfold train of thoughts, so soon! Some folks have been reading up! Great! - post 34

Noting that there are noticable differences in witches and that the town is doing a little homework.

Go away evil dreams
its not what it seems
go away go far away leave my dreams sight
give me at least one good night - Post 126

Perhaps this is saying it's someone experieced, a veteran of the game. One who is usually voted off early. Perhaps, this is Ice..... whether it's saying that he is evil is to be determined. It says to go away evil dreams, it's not what it seems. Perhaps it's saying that he is a PR.


"Cast of a shadow I am thee, make the ones who look, not see me.
I am thin air not to be seen, I am a shadow invisible both silent and lean." - Post 127

I am led to believe this may be Judge. Cast of a shadow make ones look... that to me is saying that the very witch we spoke about in the upper left hand corner of her avatar is precisely the one mentioned here. Thin air, not to be seen....yeap, tells me it's Judge.


"As it be thought in the mind of others
both familiar and strange
both sisters and brothers
may it be heard in mine own head
loud and clear as if it'd been said." - Post 188

This to me is saying that there is someone who we have in common on our suspected lists but we aren't making too much of a big deal about it, maybe we just aren't coming together with it. Perhaps this is saying we should be looking at a newbie.


tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! - Post 190

Not really sure of this as the visuals are all over our avatars and names. However, I do see the points brought up by you guys but I do think that either we are reading either too far into it or not enough. If I were to guess at a glance, it is saying to me that someone who drinks the witchy brew is quite talkative. That can be LG, she's got 67 posts here, while Z has 35posts and is in 2nd place then we have 3rd place Ice who has 27 posts.


Quick lunch grab and out but I didn't some fast reading, obviously when I get home tonight I'll really read whats going on but this post by DD jumped out at me.

I don't think evil would be this helpful. It somewhat eases my mind on my suspicions of DD, since they were really only based loosely on a couple of posts.

I might seem overly aggressive this 1 st day but its like I said earlier. More often then not I'm outed the 1st day by a hit or lynched day 2. I just wanted to get names out their for reactions be it defensive in nature or to get others looking in those directions that might find something I haven't seen.

Be back after work.

[ZSandmann]

I wonder if KoTD is going to get a vote in time or die another untimely death due to lack of voting.
I was wondering that as well. He is the only person with no vote down, but King is also one of the people I have the hardest time reading.

I haven't seen a lot that makes me super suspicious yet. The newbies are playing weird but that's pretty normal. Everyone's acting like their normal selves. Right now I think DD, LG and Jpap are probably innocent. Mostly because their styles seem more relaxed and talkative than the times when they're evil. ZSand, Swayde and CS have my interest but I need to see more of them before I make any decisions one way or another. KOTD and Ogre have been quiet but their few posts have had logic to them. I guess I'll keep rereading and looking for stuff.
Dc I'm hear to answer anything you want to ask me. Day 1 isn't my best day deductively but I always try to find something of substance to place a vote on. Historically I'm usually wrong, but JM's vagueness is all I have right now.

I wish we knew how many witches there were. I like being able to say okay, there are 5 bad guys and 10 good guys and then I can categorize people accordingly...the top 10 people I think are innocent or a few bad guys and the shady, in-between folks and then pick out the person I think is most lkely evil. This not knowing how many there are kinda throws a wrench into that strategy though and so I have to assume everyone is a witch, but I know a few are definitely good power roles and then it really gets hard....argggh...can't think =/
Yup I agree with this, but I suppose if you want to look at it from a game perspective it makes more sense not to tell us their numbers. Also makes me keep the Tums nearby though. :D

Yeah, there's always the big danger of confusing good power people with witches. I seem to do that at least once a game.
Hey I'm notorious for mixing the two. Maybe if I start voting for who I think are the PRs I'll hit witches. :perv:

[ZSandmann]

Quick lunch grab and out but I didn't some fast reading, obviously when I get home tonight I'll really read whats going on but this post by DD jumped out at me.

I don't think evil would be this helpful. It somewhat eases my mind on my suspicions of DD, since they were really only based loosely on a couple of posts.

I might seem overly aggressive this 1 st day but its like I said earlier. More often then not I'm outed the 1st day by a hit or lynched day 2. I just wanted to get names out their for reactions be it defensive in nature or to get others looking in those directions that might find something I haven't seen.

Be back after work.

DD's pretty high on my Innocent list right now, but you're still a solid 5. Your posts about the poems, and that eye of Sauron give me the willies. Otherwise I haven't seen anything glaringly Witchy to you.

[KingOfTheDeep]

ok, if we are looking to RB's posts as clues for who we ashould be focusing on, this is what I've come up with.

a noted and posted difference in white/black witches, AND the three foldfold train of thoughts, so soon! Some folks have been reading up! Great! - post 34

Noting that there are noticable differences in witches and that the town is doing a little homework.

Go away evil dreams
its not what it seems
go away go far away leave my dreams sight
give me at least one good night - Post 126

Perhaps this is saying it's someone experieced, a veteran of the game. One who is usually voted off early. Perhaps, this is Ice..... whether it's saying that he is evil is to be determined. It says to go away evil dreams, it's not what it seems. Perhaps it's saying that he is a PR.


"Cast of a shadow I am thee, make the ones who look, not see me.
I am thin air not to be seen, I am a shadow invisible both silent and lean." - Post 127

I am led to believe this may be Judge. Cast of a shadow make ones look... that to me is saying that the very witch we spoke about in the upper left hand corner of her avatar is precisely the one mentioned here. Thin air, not to be seen....yeap, tells me it's Judge.


"As it be thought in the mind of others
both familiar and strange
both sisters and brothers
may it be heard in mine own head
loud and clear as if it'd been said." - Post 188

This to me is saying that there is someone who we have in common on our suspected lists but we aren't making too much of a big deal about it, maybe we just aren't coming together with it. Perhaps this is saying we should be looking at a newbie.


tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! - Post 190

Not really sure of this as the visuals are all over our avatars and names. However, I do see the points brought up by you guys but I do think that either we are reading either too far into it or not enough. If I were to guess at a glance, it is saying to me that someone who drinks the witchy brew is quite talkative. That can be LG, she's got 67 posts here, while Z has 35posts and is in 2nd place then we have 3rd place Ice who has 27 posts.


this is a very good post, very logical..i can definitely see the point about LG, and i have been suspicious of her since my first post..

so for now, i vote to burn ladyG

[ZSandmann]

Hi King. What do you think of JM right now? Actually this goes to everyone. She's the leading candidate right now and I just want to know how many folks feel she is Innocnet vs. Witchy. If you don't have an opinion that is fine as well.

I have 5 votes on JM, three on plantling and DC, 2 on Ice, and 1 on Charlie and Lady G.

[OgreMkV]

Guys, can I say something about this whole 'Rb's hints' thing?

It's almost ridiculous. The town has won almost every game ever played here. We don't need any hints from the ref to figure stuff out. We'll get there. Unless Rb made it 7 witches to 8 townies, then we're going to win... it will just take some time. The bad guys will screw up somewhere.

In the interest of full disclosure... I figure I can bring this up as I'm not 'implicated' in the 'hints'. If someone else had said this, you guys would be jumping all over it.

[ZSandmann]

I agree with that Ogre. What I can see happening is someone with well-intentions might find a witch that "fits" one of those spells and then they'll start a witch hunt that will leave a bunch of Innocent bodies in it's wake.

[plantling]

Yeah, there's always the big danger of confusing good power people with witches. I seem to do that at least once a game.
I had both Z, who was the doctor and HN, who was the detective on my suspect list at one point. I did say Z and/or HN, though. :rolleyes:

Not much is going on, but I do agree that perhaps we shouldn't confuse things by pondering too much on the clues.

[plantling]

edit: that first sentence should mentioned Game 12.

[KingOfTheDeep]

Guys, can I say something about this whole 'Rb's hints' thing?

It's almost ridiculous. The town has won almost every game ever played here. We don't need any hints from the ref to figure stuff out. We'll get there. Unless Rb made it 7 witches to 8 townies, then we're going to win... it will just take some time. The bad guys will screw up somewhere.

In the interest of full disclosure... I figure I can bring this up as I'm not 'implicated' in the 'hints'. If someone else had said this, you guys would be jumping all over it.

the town has won games on RB hints and clues before.

i dont remember which game it was, but the last time i was mafia, we had a town sweep going, until RB gave the town clues, which led them to a win.

i don't like the fact that you dont even want to give the clues a chance..they ARE here to help the town out when it needs some help..do you not want to help the town?, could one or two of your buddies be in trouble due to these clues?

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

[KingOfTheDeep]

Hi King. What do you think of JM right now? Actually this goes to everyone. She's the leading candidate right now and I just want to know how many folks feel she is Innocnet vs. Witchy. If you don't have an opinion that is fine as well.

I have 5 votes on JM, three on plantling and DC, 2 on Ice, and 1 on Charlie and Lady G.

don't quite know what to think about her yet, i have not read much into her posts

[KingOfTheDeep]

the town has won games on RB hints and clues before.

i dont remember which game it was, but the last time i was mafia, we had a town sweep going, until RB gave the town clues, which led them to a win.

i don't like the fact that you dont even want to give the clues a chance..they ARE here to help the town out when it needs some help..do you not want to help the town?, could one or two of your buddies be in trouble due to these clues?

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

also, im not saying to dig deep into the clues, all im saying is, they do help us

[ZSandmann]

Fair enough King just was curious if you had any ideas about her right now.

As I said earlier we shouldn't dismiss Rb's spells, but we shouldn't soley base a lynch on one interpretation. Maybe in a day or so they may seem more clear, but for now I base my choices on posts.

[ZSandmann]

Votes as I have them:

5-JudgeMax: Zsandmann, DD, bluerat, DC, Lady G
3-Plantling: JM, Ice, sploke
3-DeputyChief: Swayde, Charlie, jpappy
2-IceH2O: Plantling, Ogre
1-Charlie: BrkD
1-Lady G: KOTD

That's everyone. I think there are 4 hours till Night?

[jpappy789]

I would have to agree with Zs concerning Rb's "clues." I would rather look at posting than at clues that could be taken the wrong way.

[Lady G]

this is a very good post, very logical..i can definitely see the point about LG, and i have been suspicious of her since my first post..

so for now, i vote to burn ladyG

I too think that was a GREAT post by DD, but King do you really think I would of been the one to bring up the hints if I were witch? Really I would of just waited until someone else brought it up and maybe comment on it then.

Anyway the one DD has pointed out as possibly leaning toward me, say's "let this cat chit & chat" I don't think he would say to "let" me chit and chat if he was trying to show me evil....if that is what that one is about.

[jpappy789]

Something about bluerat still bugs me. Their weird posting last night and then a quick vote for jm today, then nothing...

[jpappy789]

OMG MY TANK SMELLS!

[ZSandmann]

Ewwwwwwww!

[bluerat]

I am trying to figure out what this post meant...epsecially the lat part in red

bluerat is now on my list because I can't figure out what this post means and why the heck it was posted

My list...I will probably be grilled for including both newbs but I don't really care because its all I got...and no particular order...

bluerat- reason above
brk- a newb but vote for Chas out of left field is quite troubling
DC- I usually have to jump on him at some point so why not now :D didn't really like his first post directed towards lady g because all he had to do was read...then he realized his mistake and agreed with everyone about jm's posting trying to appear friendly
DD- posting differently than other games and isn't even being questioned by a lot of people yet, but nothing else is different so if anything dd just needs further watching imo
lady g- see below...

I know this sounds really paranoid but for some reason the whole warlock thing bothers me in this post...the warlock is on the towns side lady g...not part of the coven...did you not read the rules or was this a tiny slip?
what i mean is its a bit like hide n seek the last place that anyone looks often is the most obvious, it wasnt meant to be cryptic in any way its just that i can be a bit odd in the way i answer sometimes,its nothing personal i just cant help it,after all we are trying to find out whos who:huh:
anyway thats me done for now im going for an early night im not feeling too good :sick:

[jpappy789]

odd how right after I mention your name you show up...

[Sploke]

Anyway the one DD has pointed out as possibly leaning toward me, say's "let this cat chit & chat" I don't think he would say to "let" me chit and chat if he was trying to show me evil....if that is what that one is about.


that would be a good one to describe the snitch.....hmm mafioso witches. that would be interesting. Fly by on a broom and get shot. :werd:

[ZSandmann]

Heh, things to think about.

Earlier when the discussion was on avatars and fitting them to Rb's spells jpappy changed his avatar from Snoopy on the Great Pumpkin to the Witch one he has now, and we had a laugh about it.

King I just noticed you changed yours to Dexter with the subtitle "Dark Passenger." Hint, test, or just a fan of the show? I don't have an answer to that it is just an observation.

On the topic of the Newbies:

bluerat has 8 posts in game and has been posting in other threads as well.
BrkD has 6 posts in game and has only made one other post outside and that is in the rate my avatar game thread.

Once again these are just observations for discussion.

[bluerat]

its taken me ages to read through all the threads this evening alot happens while youre at work lol and it will prolly take an eon to sift through in the morning before i go to work,as you guys will be active while i sleep

[ZSandmann]

lol, make that 10 posts from bluerat.

After Night there is usually a flurry of posting so yup you'll have lots to read in the AM.

[bluerat]

thanks for that i will make that 11 before i say goodnight this time zone thing is a pain in the nether regions ah well your shift begins as mine ends goodnight one and all perhaps i will be more chatty tomorrow when i hope i will feel better

[Sploke]

King I just noticed you changed yours to Dexter with the subtitle "Dark Passenger." Hint, test, or just a fan of the show? I don't have an answer to that it is just an observation.


I dunno but mg had a very similar av so every time he posts I'm like, "why is mg posting in here..he's not playing.."

[ZSandmann]

Yeah I though the same thing as I usually associate the avatars with people as the game wears on. Quicker than scanning for names.

[ZSandmann]

Did anyone ever find out anything about coler BTW?

[jpappy789]

kind of worrying isnt it? he went to work and then vanished from the site...

pretty dead here today, though it is a monday

[IceH2O]

Whatever, I'm defensive. What about your post? That sounds pretty defensive to me. Pot calling the kettle black... I am assuming you're still using a black cauldron there witch-boy. Haven't switched over to Calaphon?

How is my post defensive my warty friend? To think for a minute I thought you might be innocent.


If you aren't confident enough to vote on of the five on your list, then why even bring it up?.... oh, right, it was a trap. Good call. As I recall, whne I said that two games ago, you didn't take it so well. In fact, you wanted to lynch me. So now, I return the favor.

Never called it a trap. It was a list to bring out responses. I figured responses to the list would help us figure out who was evil.Even if not today maybe it could be looked back on.

I vote to burn Ice on a stake, at noon, on the summer solstice. Because that's what my 'Little Book of Witch Hunting' says to do!

Summer solstice isn't until June 20th of 08. Don't think the game will last that long.

BTW: At this time, my top three for the coven are Ice, Br, and Deputy Chief.

DC is because Br thinks him innocent for no reason. He obviously knows who he is. Ice because he's defending Br.

Not defending B, just think its a bad idea to lynch a newb the very 1st day, it hasn't worked yet if memory serves me correctly.Also seems an easy pick for an evil.



Also, LadyG, I'm not sure I see the whole plantling thing.


well im off to work now and after pondering what i have read
i vote to burn judge
you say alot and nothing at the same time

I'd believe Blue is more witch then B is. JM hasn't posted much at all so how can she say a lot and say nothing?


I'm not sure how agreeing with some of the points Ogre made can be construed as "coming to his rescue"

I still think Ogre's list looks pretty good for a first day list. DC is very suspicious IMO. So is Brk.

I wasn't too sure about you, but this post you have made "alluding" that I came to Ogre's rescue is misinformation. Either you are confused, or you are trying to spread confusion. Which one is it, my wart nosed friend???

I would like to know how you feel about DC. You previously stated you were "going after low posters" this game. It seems to me that was all smoke and mirrors. To me the most suspicious person in town is DC, a very low poster. Yet this morning you make no mention of his post last night. Instead you try to loosely group Ogre and I together. Hmmmmmmm.....

I probably should stop posting so soon after I wake up, coming to the rescue might have been a bit of an overstatement. After I thought about it I thought you might be together as a team but the Herbalist/Prophet. I've thought about it and don't think Ogre is innocent, you still strike me as innocent though.

As for DC, I only posted that hoping people would post more. DC looks like DC to me though his vote for JM is pretty whack. JM said before the game4 started she had a lot on her plate so I'm not going to hold it against her. I think as the game wears on she'll post more as will DC.

KOTD was pretty non existent in posting also, but I don't recall to many people questioning him.



Ummmm guys and gals, before we get too carried away trying to decipher these clues, just realize that RB is not making these "clues" up. He's probably got a book of spells somewhere or is surfing the net for them. I found at least two on this site: http://www.debac.net/spells.htm

I find it odd that Ice professes to have studied Wicca and didn't mention that these were actually spells. The spell he used to justify voting for me was this:

God, that was 25 years ago.I didn't get into all the spells, after I saw all the rituals and what was required I knew it was to much work. Though I do have a book of spells around here somewhere.


"Invisibility" Spell
Chant this for an escape, if you just want to pass some unwanted presence, or just don't want to be seen. (Of course you won't really be invisible but more unnoticed).
"Cast of a shadow I am thee, make the one (s) who look, not see me.
I am thin air not to be seen, I am a shadow invisible both silent and lean."

For Ice to have stretched this spell into a plantling, it makes me believe he is quite desperate. The votes were tied at 2 himself,myself, judge, and Charlie, I believe, but he saw his chance to get out of it and jumped. Not only that, but I feel it's a revenge vote. "Clues" aside, reread my posts and see if I have indeed acted evil. I did make a list of my observations and did mention that it was just "some notes of interests" but I must have hit nerves because the first few votes on me are the very ones I had on my list. Things that make you go Hmmmmmm.

I merely pointed out that it was about the HP and it fit you in a way. I admitted it was stretched. If I were to just go after you I'd say it fit you to a T.


And if you want to twist this: "Cast of a shadow I am thee, make the one (s) who look, not see me. I am thin air not to be seen, I am a shadow invisible both silent and lean."

Ice's avatar is the eye of Sauron. Sauron is a shadow that cannot be seen as he has not yet been able to take on a body. Invisible and silent.

It's dumb, I know, but makes a whole lot more sense than a plantling.


Actually Sauron was a shape shifter, he had a body and was not invisible or quiet. How does someone quiet push their will upon others?

# "Did Sauron have a physical form during The Lord of the Rings?" (Tolkien Newsgroups FAQ ) http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/Creatures.html#SauronForm









I only asked Brk what room he was hiding in, I can't figure out why you keep saying I was attacking him for that. Charlie and Ogre went after him much harder than I. As I said before I plan on giving both the nebs a day to get a feel for how they play, I do have Brk leaning Witch right now however. I am still neutral on bluerat because he just hasn't posted enough.

RE: Rb's "clues": I certainly see where you are coming from, but it seems a stretch even for Rb. Why would he give out the entire list of Witches on Day 1?

I don't think its all witches. I think there are clues to clear innocents also.We just have to figure out who is what. I think its part clues and part fun on Rbs part.


Jmax also has a bat flying in her background...she has been what I would consider a low poster also.

I totally missed her bat. She hasn't posted much so I haven't seen her avatar a lot even going back and reareading I wasn't looking at avatars. 2ndly my wife did a lot of graphic art on her PSP so I always see the pic and not what makes it up


OMG, I didn't even catch that..I've been looking at his avatar trying to figure out what it was, wow good catch there plant., no it doesn't make you less suspisious to me right now, but it does make more sence for that IMO. But I think I like the "cat" better for you then Z at this point.

I don't think that was meant for me as I think it was meant to describe the HP. I think if any of them were meant to describe me it was the one DD pointed out as one that wants 1 good night.








I'm not voting for JM because of her low post counts. I'm voting based on her allusion to having info on the first day. The first day is always a mad grasp for straws. We all know this. Once again I'd like to reiterate a point I've made before, low posts have never pointed to guilt or innocence. In the the BioBadlands game, BKW was quite vocal and was the leader of the badguys. We need to find better clues than this person doesn't talk much.

Post 147 JM posts her list


Guys, can I say something about this whole 'Rb's hints' thing?

It's almost ridiculous. The town has won almost every game ever played here. We don't need any hints from the ref to figure stuff out. We'll get there. Unless Rb made it 7 witches to 8 townies, then we're going to win... it will just take some time. The bad guys will screw up somewhere.

In the interest of full disclosure... I figure I can bring this up as I'm not 'implicated' in the 'hints'. If someone else had said this, you guys would be jumping all over it.

I agree with that Ogre. What I can see happening is someone with well-intentions might find a witch that "fits" one of those spells and then they'll start a witch hunt that will leave a bunch of Innocent bodies in it's wake.

I don't think we can just not look at the clues. They weren't put there for nothing. Like I stated earlier in this novel of a thread I think it shows innocents and witches.

[jpappy789]

I don't think we can just not look at the clues. They weren't put there for nothing. Like I stated earlier in this novel of a thread I think it shows innocents and witches.

I don't think anybody said not to look at the clues at all. But if you think the clues contain innocents and witches is it worth a few dead innocents to find the witches? I am not sure what to think...

[IceH2O]

I don't think anybody said not to look at the clues at all. But if you think the clues contain innocents and witches is it worth a few dead innocents to find the witches? I am not sure what to think...

I think if we can figure out who the innocents are we won't end up lynching them.

It doesn't help the witches because they know who is innocent.

If we figure out the innocents and then they are lynched we can look at the names on that particular person to get a good read on the witches. It might also be a deterrent to the witches to try and lynch the known innocent, therefore they would have to hit them, in essence it makes their game longer.

[Lady G]

I dunno but mg had a very similar av so every time he posts I'm like, "why is mg posting in here..he's not playing.."
LOL, that was my first thought also!! I believe King saw the posts about if ppl changed thier avatar it would seem odd at this point and switched trying to get something started quite honestly, I'm not sure if he was gunning for witches to come out or innocents though.


I'd believe Blue is more witch then B is. JM hasn't posted much at all so how can she say a lot and say nothing?

I probably should stop posting so soon after I wake up, coming to the rescue might have been a bit of an overstatement. After I thought about it I thought you might be together as a team but the Herbalist/Prophet. I've thought about it and don't think Ogre is innocent, you still strike me as innocent though.

As for DC, I only posted that hoping people would post more. DC looks like DC to me though his vote for JM is pretty whack. JM said before the game4 started she had a lot on her plate so I'm not going to hold it against her. I think as the game wears on she'll post more as will DC.

KOTD was pretty non existent in posting also, but I don't recall to many people questioning him.
[COLOR="Red"]Yes, I noticed that too..but everytime I say something about the fact KOTD hasn't posted much I get a lynch mob formed around me, everyone saying "he always does this on day one" so I figured why bother posting it.

I merely pointed out that it was about the HP and it fit you in a way. I admitted it was stretched. If I were to just go after you I'd say it fit you to a T.
Actually I have to agree with this also, sorry I know what Plant said made sence (at the time), but after reading DD's look into things I am leaning more toward her version of Ice.

Actually Sauron was a shape shifter, he had a body and was not invisible or quiet. How does someone quiet push their will upon others?

# "Did Sauron have a physical form during The Lord of the Rings?" (Tolkien Newsgroups FAQ ) http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/Creatures.html#SauronForm

I also wanted to say that yes, I too believe DD's theory on the spell being about you, it really makes alot of sence IMO. I also could see the chit chat spell being about me, but not as me being evil if you are really reading what it say's.





I don't think its all witches. I think there are clues to clear innocents also.We just have to figure out who is what. I think its part clues and part fun on Rbs part.
:iagree:






Post 147 JM posts her list




I don't think we can just not look at the clues. They weren't put there for nothing. Like I stated earlier in this novel of a thread I think it shows innocents and witches.

Just wanted to post a few thoughts on this post from you Ice

[jpappy789]

Honestly I think all the conversation about the clues is giving the witches perfect cover for today and possibly later, especially if people think that the clues contain both innocents and witches. All they have to do is come out and agree with what other people are saying or come up with their own twists. If an innocent ends up dead than its ok because it was in the "clues" and it was just read wrong.

Take this any way you want but this is my honest opinion.

[charlie_stubbs]

I like when i come home and their are lots of posts to read. I will re-read and post my thoughts before night.

[jpappy789]

I like when i come home and their are lots of posts to read. I will re-read and post my thoughts before night.

Oh no! Posting before reading!?

You sir are a witch!:D
:headshake2:

[Lady G]

that would be a good one to describe the snitch.....hmm mafioso witches. that would be interesting. Fly by on a broom and get shot. :werd:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BrkD]

x_x confusing.. but
i retract my vote for charlie and will vote for no one right now.

[IceH2O]

Honestly I think all the conversation about the clues is giving the witches perfect cover for today and possibly later, especially if people think that the clues contain both innocents and witches. All they have to do is come out and agree with what other people are saying or come up with their own twists. If an innocent ends up dead than its ok because it was in the "clues" and it was just read wrong.

Take this any way you want but this is my honest opinion.

The more I look at the "clues" the more I think they aren't clues. I think Rb is just casting spells.



The 1st one I think is one for me to use to protect myself so I can get through night 1.

The 2nd one is just acknowledging the HP

The 3rd is probably just acknowledging the Prophet

None of them actually point to any one person IMO. The last post does but not as to their game status.

The last one I think its more a spell he casts to get low posters, Blue and possibly JM to post.

[IceH2O]

x_x confusing.. but
i retract my vote for charlie and will vote for no one right now.

Just make sure you vote before 8 PM EST or you'll die an untimely death.

A vote for “NO ONE” cannot be used on Game Day 1, only on game day 2 and following Days.

[IceH2O]

At the moment I only feel strongly on Ogre and Plantling, more for their defensive nature then anything right now.

My vote will stay on plantling.

[Dangerdoll]

who will we find in the im the pumpkin patch...did anyone see that film

well looks like i will be a slow mo lol as for the low posting thing thats a mean thing some of us maybe sleeping on a different shift .... really tired after shooing the cats off newly dug soil in the garden.....

well them cats may have been black its dark out so they could be any dark clour must set up spot lights then i let you know, and my shift is nearly over and the zzzzzzzzzzzzz will take over

oh my that means im in trouble if some of you dont get british humour lol and i agree ladyg knows an awful lot about witching mmmmm.......witch or witch hunter.........

just come home from a long day out plus part of the evening at theme park as october has fright nights throughout the month, and i have you 'll never believe been dressed as a witch. by putting myself in this position all day under the watchfull eye of hundreds of people have discovered that by looking the obvious you are often ignored....so are the understated often the under estimated

cant beleive im being dragged in on the low postings mmmm went out for the whole day sunday now its 630am while doing this posting as im having to catch up on the oodles of postings that have appeared while i have been asleep and seeing who is acting weirdly/aggressive/defensive/ whatever we can read into ......... bluerat tail of rat thats soo funny its as if i planned this all along lol

well im off to work now and after pondering what i have read
i vote to burn judge
you say alot and nothing at the same time

what i mean is its a bit like hide n seek the last place that anyone looks often is the most obvious, it wasnt meant to be cryptic in any way its just that i can be a bit odd in the way i answer sometimes,its nothing personal i just cant help it,after all we are trying to find out whos who:huh:
anyway thats me done for now im going for an early night im not feeling too good :sick:

its taken me ages to read through all the threads this evening alot happens while youre at work lol and it will prolly take an eon to sift through in the morning before i go to work,as you guys will be active while i sleep

thanks for that i will make that 11 before i say goodnight this time zone thing is a pain in the nether regions ah well your shift begins as mine ends goodnight one and all perhaps i will be more chatty tomorrow when i hope i will feel better
I think I know what the problem is with rat's posting. His (I think it's a he) is posting without the use or much use of punctuation. I have only highlighted his posts because frankly, they are the hard to read. One that I would like to discuss is his jumpr for voting for JM. I know I voted for her and still feel the same for my vote but his seems to jump out of the blue. He says she has a lot to say and nothing at the same time, but in essence, isn't that the same for him? The pot calling the kettle black in a sense..... or should we say cauldron. Also, I would like to note his complaint that he cannot be judged fairly in this game because of his time zone differences. Well, to me, it looks like he might even have it better as he has more time to sit and peruse over events and come up with clues being that there isn't everyone posting at the same time. Sometimes this posting over posts causes confusion amongst us, us placing thoughts when they are explained or not at the same time. If anyone is speaking in crytic tongue, I would say it is blue.

Same here. So why is everyone assuming she is evil based on her posting this game when she has played good and evil the same way?
hmmmm.... this is in reference to LG.... I am not sure of G's innocence or guilt, but this looks to me like back up or protection. If you ask me, it is a little too early to judge some folks on their posting styles/habits because of how early it is and because of their experience in the game. This looks like protection... is that what it is, pappy, so soon? Care to respond?

[Lady G]

Does anyone have a vote tally?? Where has Jmax been, I was hoping to hear from her?

[IceH2O]

Also, I would like to note his complaint that he cannot be judged fairly in this game because of his time zone differences. Well, to me, it looks like he might even have it better as he has more time to sit and peruse over events and come up with clues being that there isn't everyone posting at the same time. Sometimes this posting over posts causes confusion amongst us, us placing thoughts when they are explained or not at the same time. If anyone is speaking in crytic tongue, I would say it is blue.



I agree with this part of the post. When I was killed and brought back it was so easy to see who was who because at that time I wasn't compelled to post. I was able to take everything in and process it.

[BrkD]

Just make sure you vote before 8 PM EST or you'll die an untimely death.

A vote for “NO ONE” cannot be used on Game Day 1, only on game day 2 and following Days.

ohh man.. taking away my homework/study time. hmm

[ZSandmann]

Lady, just got home from work, let me get my notes to snuff and I'll post what I have for a list.

I was also hoping to hear from JM before Night. She was defensive early on before I even put my vote on her, but once I did there was little response.

[jpappy789]

hmmmm.... this is in reference to LG.... I am not sure of G's innocence or guilt, but this looks to me like back up or protection. If you ask me, it is a little too early to judge some folks on their posting styles/habits because of how early it is and because of their experience in the game. This looks like protection... is that what it is, pappy, so soon? Care to respond?

I was not at all defending Lg at all. I was actually questioning her and others motives for trying to out jm for her playing style.

I agreed with Lg that nothing was out of the ordinary with jm. Then I asked why people were then using this to vote for her when she plays evil and good the same way which Lg pointed out I think...again why assume she is evil?

I don't see how this would come across as protecting Lg at all...

[Lady G]

Guy's I'm getting the pre-burning jitters....my head keeps going back and forth right now between Jmax and Plant, then DD's post about Jpap stands out to me AHHHHH, I wish Jmax would post I hate voting someone who hasn't posted any response and am thinking about switching back to Plant, I feel strong about both.

[IceH2O]

I think we need to help the Warlock decide which spell and on who to use it. They have to use a spell at the start of Day 2.

Of course it will end up being their decision but some input wouldn't hurt.

I myself think they should use Spell 3 as it seems the least dangerous, maybe use it on someone that posts a lot, just to give them time to process the info.

Spell 1 and 2 are to risky to use at this point IMO.

This is probably pretty obvious to the Warlock but I don't think it would hurt to throw a few names out there for them to choose from.

If I were Warlock and wanted to give someone time to analyze posts I would cast the spell either on Ice LG DD Z Ogre or Sway. Obviously its up to the Warlock on who they trust as being innocent and a help to the town.

Guess if they choose a witch it should be one that easily can manipulate the town. In which case I still think the names above would work. This would give the town some time to not be poisoned by posts.

[Rbishop]

to burn at the stake...

judge (5) by zsand 129 DD 163 blue 218 DC 242 lady 279

ice (2) by plant 137 ogre 208

lady (1) by kotd 313

plant (3) by judge 147 ice 225 sploke 231

Deputy (3) by swayde 223 charlie 230 jpap 277


14 of 15 voting....

one not allowed vote by BrkD for no one....


about 40 minutes to go.....


PM's and e-mails as required please...

[ZSandmann]

Here's the current votes I believe.

Day 1 nightfall will be at 8 PM, EST, Monday, 10/15
14/15 Votes – No Vote: BrkD
1-Lady G: IceH2O (28) KOTD (313)
0-Charlie: jpappy (117) BrkD (138)
5-JudgeMax: ZSandmann (129) DD (163) bluerat (218) Deputy (242) Lady G (279)
2-IceH20: Charlie (10) plantling (137) Ogre (208) jpappy (265)
3-Plantling: JudgeMax (147) Lady G (197) IceH20 (225) sploke (231)
3-DeputyChief: Swayde (223) Charlie (230) jpappy (277)
0-Sploke: Ogre (41)
0-KOTD: Swayde (102)
0-BrkD: Charlie (113)
0-ZSandmann: IceH20 (222)

[IceH2O]

edit: It should read

If they end up choosing a witch.....................

[ZSandmann]

I think we need to help the Warlock decide which spell and on who to use it. They have to use a spell at the start of Day 2.

Of course it will end up being their decision but some input wouldn't hurt.

I myself think they should use Spell 3 as it seems the least dangerous, maybe use it on someone that posts a lot, just to give them time to process the info.

Spell 1 and 2 are to risky to use at this point IMO.

This is probably pretty obvious to the Warlock but I don't think it would hurt to throw a few names out there for them to choose from.

If I were Warlock and wanted to give someone time to analyze posts I would cast the spell either on Ice LG DD Z Ogre or Sway. Obviously its up to the Warlock on who they trust as being innocent and a help to the town.

Guess if they choose a witch it should be one that easily can manipulate the town. In which case I still think the names above would work. This would give the town some time to not be poisoned by posts.


Ice I agree with you. If they have to use a spell 3 is safest. I would say Lady G, Ice, and myself would be the picks to use it on. Using it on someone who posts little amounts to nothing more than a "kidnap" and actually hurts us because we want to hear from those people as much as possible to base our opinion.

[Lady G]

Oh Ice that is a good idea also, I would hope for them to use it on a innocent. But yes I think that spell 3 would be best to use the first night. The only other name I would add to the list would be Charlie, since he seems to have good ideas and thoughts also.

Dp, Jmax, King, and the two newbs would be a waste with that one I think since they don't post much anyway. Just thought I'd add who not to use it on.

[ZSandmann]

An EDIT to my list above I see the font on the last line changed again, that just happens when I copy out of Word, don't be reading complex conspiracies out of it. :D

[Lady G]

Thank you for the list Rb and Z...if I switch to Plant it would not do anything so I will stay with Jmax unless some crazy event unfolds that makes me change my mind.
Still courious why she hasn't come on and at least try to defend herself or post ANYTHING:huh:

[IceH2O]

I actually didn't include Charlie because I think he gets more info for himself through questioning others. I don't think sitting back would help his game.

[IceH2O]

I haven't seen that JM has been on at all, I can only go by posts made though.

JM isn't acting freaky enough IMO to be a witch. As a bad guy she is usually all over everyone, I'm not seeing it.

Unless of course she was told to lay low, but as active as she has been in past games I don't think she could if she wanted to.

I know I've said I would not post as much but I just can't seem to do it.

[charlie_stubbs]

I was hoping JM would post a reaction to her votes.

The closer it gets to night, the more i start to wonder. If she is a witch she should feel compelled not to let her teamates down.

I guess in can be said if she's innocent she should also feel compelled not to let her teamates down.

My vote will remain on DC.

[OgreMkV]

OK guys, it's heroes, chuck and the big bang theory tonight so I'm out until 9:30 or so. I'm comfortable with my vote on Ice.

[BrkD]

i vote to lynch plantling

[Lady G]

I haven't seen that JM has been on at all, I can only go by posts made though.

JM isn't acting freaky enough IMO to be a witch. As a bad guy she is usually all over everyone, I'm not seeing it.

Unless of course she was told to lay low, but as active as she has been in past games I don't think she could if she wanted to.

I know I've said I would not post as much but I just can't seem to do it.

Ice you are not helping me...are you saying you do or you don't think she is a witch? Now you are making me question myself, she was on DD pretty hard at one point though, but her not posting at all is just buggin the crap outta me. Like I said though, switching at this point does nothing but put one more vote to plant it wont change the outcome..so I should just stay where I'm at. AHHHH I feel the:screwy: ness coming on!!!!

[jpappy789]

Oh Ice that is a good idea also, I would hope for them to use it on a innocent. But yes I think that spell 3 would be best to use the first night. The only other name I would add to the list would be Charlie, since he seems to have good ideas and thoughts also.

Dp, Jmax, King, and the two newbs would be a waste with that one I think since they don't post much anyway. Just thought I'd add who not to use it on.

DP?:grinno:

[jpappy789]

i vote to lynch plantling

WHAT THE...!?!?!?

[Rbishop]

15 minutes...last call...PMs please.

[jpappy789]

Rule #1- don't say "darn it I'm innocent!"

Rule #2- don't vote without reasons, especially late in the day

[jpappy789]

that was to Brkd for the random vote on plant

[BrkD]

crap... then i guess i will have to be eliminated..

[jpappy789]

crap... then i guess i will have to be eliminated..

:eek:

oh is this a "crap I screwed up big time, I guess I admit to being a witch..."???

[IceH2O]

Not that I don't agree with the vote but yeah its always a good to post a reason why.

[jpappy789]

Those weren't rules for the game just suggestions for newbs who haven't played...things that will get you lynched

[jpappy789]

9 minutes and counting...

[IceH2O]

crap... then i guess i will have to be eliminated..

Huh?

You don't have a reason for voting Plantling so you'll have to vote no one and get eliminated?

If you don't think Plantling is a witch then vote for someone that can't end up lynched.

If you do think she is witch then just tell us why.

[BrkD]

:eek:

oh is this a "crap I screwed up big time, I guess I admit to being a witch..."???

nah uh.. i just screwed up. sorry guys.

[IceH2O]

If you are witch then just vote no one.

[jpappy789]

I'm not sure if brkd just slipped or thought I quoted actual rules that you had to follow, though if they thought that they should have at least checked the rules first...hmmmmmm

[jpappy789]

If you are witch then just vote no one.

Or just tell us o we can burn you tomorrow:p:

[jpappy789]

ooops forgot that a vote for no one will be counted as a no ovte night 1 so yea do what ice said

[Lady G]

Bkrd did you think Jpap meant those were the actual rules??? The only true game rule is you have to vote someone on night one, you can vote whoever you want...you don't HAVE to give a reason it is just best too.

[Lady G]

Well, he did vote...it wasn't retracted so he will not suffer an untimely death, just have to deal with us all going WTH!!!

[IceH2O]

Maybe he voted for plantling as a safe vote and didn't realize he put her closer to being lynched. One vote swap will take her out,

[Rbishop]

It is Night!

[jpappy789]

Maybe he voted for plantling as a safe vote and didn't realize he put her closer to being lynched. One vote swap will take her out,

hmmm lg are you going to switch now that it makes a difference???

[BrkD]

yeah i thought those were actual rules.. -.- im hated now for sure lol

[jpappy789]

ooops zzzzzz....

[Rbishop]

Tis the witching hour of night,
Or bed is the moon and bright,
And the stars they glisten, glisten,
Seeming with bright eyes to listen
For what listen they?

[Rbishop]

The Citizens of ACville have spoken and voted, as united as they seem to get.

The chosen is tied to Bala's dorsal fin and the timber piled high. All the time, the victim pleading it is a mistake. The Citizens almost hesitate, but in the end, they all toss matches.


Judgemax rapidly goes up in flames, another victim of mis-placed thoughts.

Judgemax is an innocent townie, now sailing the heavens....

[Rbishop]

As the Townies return to their homes, with locked doors and every known preventative measure being employed, the coven takes to the skies.

They swirl and cackle, enjoying the loss of an innocent. As they spiral down to the victim of their choosing, nary a light shines in all of ACville.

They stand about the home, at various points of the compass, each contributing an assortment of herbs, thrown at the home.

Their voices are all but a screech as they conclude the spell....and the result, Lady G, a complete innocent is no longer with the Town.

[Rbishop]

note: It would be nice if the Herbalist would at least take a chance on protecting someone from the withches....

;)

[Rbishop]

Game On!

Day 2 will end at 8 PM EST, Wednesday, 10/17......

[Dangerdoll]

oh god.... the herbalist missed a save???

hmmm... I find it interesting that the witches took LG.... while she was a high poster, she wasn't really trusted, if anything, I would say she was even more on the guilty lean than anything.

[ZSandmann]

Sigh, I'm sorry JM. If you would of posted something, anything...

[IceH2O]

Geez I knew I didn't have that vibe off JM.

Then they hit LG?
Whats up with that? Maybe they figured she'd be an innocent that wouldn't be protected the 1st night.

I'm going to go back and look closer at the people on JM and the people that LG had listed.

[charlie_stubbs]

oh god.... the herbalist missed a save???

hmmm... I find it interesting that the witches took LG.... while she was a high poster, she wasn't really trusted, if anything, I would say she was even more on the guilty lean than anything.
I agree Double Dee (hey that rhymes...must put that in a poem)

I was suprised they hit Lady G. I was starting to lean her back to witchy. Maybe she has named too many of them for their liking.

[Lady G]

Lady G's spirit leaves the town, be carefull my friends and watch who you trust

[charlie_stubbs]

Lady G's spirit leaves the town, be carefull my friends and watch who you trust
I will make them pay for what they've done Lady. They just messed with the wrong chicken choker.
I vote to burn Bkr at the stake.

[jpappy789]

I also find it odd that lady g is gone...

I will be watching heroes for the next hour.

[judgemax]

I am sorry I did not make it back on, I am extremely busy, and hoped that you all would see past that. My girls did their routine tonight for the very first time in front of an audience, I must say, being lynched was well worth watching them! we had one mess up, and the poor little girl cried, (she was 5) but all in all, everything went well!


GOOD LUCK TOWN!

over this town the witches roam..
seeking those who call it home.
Spirits fly, spirits soar
How I wish I was once more...
Come to me in daylight hours,
bring me please to balas tower,
let me guide thy innocent,
away from the malevolent


over this town the witches roam,
screeching from thy covens throne
two defined the rest unknown!
over this town the witches roam.

[plantling]

Gah! We're down two innocents. This is not good. RIP Jmax and Lady G.

Also, Brkd throwing a last minute vote my way without reason has me quite perplexed.

i vote to lynch plantling
I'd have to say that's very shady of you Brkd. I was willing to give the newbs the benefit of the doubt for a while longer, but not sure if I can do that anymore. If no better suspect comes along then you will get my vote and I will list reasons, rest assured. I think you've flown under mine and most people's radars long enough.


oh god.... the herbalist missed a save???

hmmm... I find it interesting that the witches took LG.... while she was a high poster, she wasn't really trusted, if anything, I would say she was even more on the guilty lean than anything.
I wonder if the herbalist couldn't trust anyone enough to protect them or if they couldn't be around? And I must say Lady G is also a shock. I think the best thing to do is to go look at her posts.

[Sploke]

Hm well thats an interesting result for the night.

Lady G, not by any means a clear townie, taken by the witches.

JM was innocent so I guess I was off there.

The herbalist failed to save anyone, or even try to save anyone, from the looks of it.

B is all over the place, and a few of his comments are a little suspicious. Obviously the last minute vote raised some eyebrows, especially without any reasoning, but I think it was just to throw a vote out there to stay in the game. The comments afterward just scream "confused newbie" to me, especially with the remarks from Jpappy. I don't think its a rookie bad guy slip-up.

Thats it for now, just wanted to talk my thoughts out there. Lets see how everyone comes back from this.

[DeputyChiefJR]

Oh ****! We had a bad night.....I'm not sure about Bk for a witch just yet. Stupid moves do not always make a badguy. I also think if he had teammates they would have advised him on the basics of looking innocent. (Like rule number #1 - don't be named Coler.) What are people's thoughts on KOTD and Ogre?

[IceH2O]

I don't have time right now to pull the posts and comment so I'm going to list their numbers.

LGs lists and posts that were worth mentioning.

DC 128
List 132
List 197
List 210
List 221
List 279
KOTD 313
List 358

JM had many more posts to look into

DD 123 *
CS 125 *
Z 129
DC 131
Plant 137
List 147
plant 154
Z 155
Sway 159 *
List 192
plant 274
DC 242
DC 289 then look at post 147
Z 314

* are people not suspected of being witches ATM

Z would be an * but after he votes JM, further along in the day he says he doesn't really see anything but doesn't remove the vote.

A couple of posts that stood out were DC 305 and KOTD 313

[DeputyChiefJR]

I still think DD is innocent and I'm beginning to believe Sway more now by some of her recent posts. Ice is a hard read right now. He's being helpful but he thinks hard about the game so I'm not sure if he's really being helpful or trying to steer the ship over the waterfall. (Speaking of, a pirateship mutiny mafia game would be fun for future reference.) I'll be checking stuff out more.

[ZSandmann]

Oh ****! We had a bad night.....I'm not sure about Bk for a witch just yet. Stupid moves do not always make a badguy. I also think if he had teammates they would have advised him on the basics of looking innocent. (Like rule number #1 - don't be named Coler.) What are people's thoughts on KOTD and Ogre?

King I don't have any read on either way, he doesn't seem Witchy but I think we all agree he is one of the toughest to figure out.

Ogre I have leaning very slightly Witchy, but again I don't have a strong vibe there.


I don't have time right now to pull the posts and comment so I'm going to list their numbers.

LGs lists and posts that were worth mentioning.

DC 128
List 132
List 197
List 210
List 221
List 279
KOTD 313
List 358

JM had many more posts to look into

DD 123 *
CS 125 *
Z 129
DC 131
Plant 137
List 147
plant 154
Z 155
Sway 159 *
List 192
plant 274
DC 242
DC 289 then look at post 147
Z 314

* are people not suspected of being witches ATM

Z would be an * but after he votes JM, further along in the day he says he doesn't really see anything but doesn't remove the vote.

A couple of posts that stood out were DC 305 and KOTD 313

That's fair Ice, I was the first vote on JM, other than her initial comment of holding info I didn't see anything else, but she also didn't post much after that. I think myself and anyone else that voted for her is and should be under scrutiny.

[ZSandmann]

Lists are still pretty useless to me but as far as who I have leaning Witchy
(Not scaled)

BrkD - For his early comment about the "room" and his posts and vote change right before Night.
Ogre - Nothing solid only a very slight feeling. I have actually agreed with some things he has said though.
DC - Voted 4th on JM (Yes I was number 1 but it still applies), the "drunken" posting, again just a general vibe.
sploke: Followed Ice onto Plantling without much additional info, seems willing to go with the consensus, maybe to make as few waves as possible.

No particular order to these.

[ZSandmann]

Ahhhh just realized 13 players left. Yikes!

[ZSandmann]

I think I figured out why the Herbalist didn't use there protection.


You are the town’s Herbalist. You have a weak potion and it has limited duration so it cannot be used on the same person more than once. At the onset of night, you may protect one person with it and it will save them from being affected by a spell cast by the witches. You may communicate with the Prophet.

If they blindly used the potion on a PR on Night 1 then they couldn't protect that person again. The chances of the witches hitting a PR were slim, maybe they figured the risk was worth it?

[jpappy789]

Good thinking Z.

Not sure what to think right now but two people I really want to hear from are Brk for the last minute change out of no where and blue for the jm vote for pretty much no reason. Both newbs yes, but the sooner as we figure them out the better. They still have a chance of being a witch...

DD pointing out me "protecting" lg is troubling but I can't say anything else about her is too suspcious other than her arguments with jm but too bold for an evil to be creating commotion early day one.

I still have bad 'gut' feelings about DC and sploke. Same with KOTD.

[jpappy789]

:hi:Hello jl, enjoying the read?

[johnlarson66]

:hi:Hello jl, enjoying the read?

Since you asked, yes. It is hard just to watch. I will be playing the next one.

[KingOfTheDeep]

well..we didn't have a productive night..obviously..but when have we ever taken out 2 or the evils in the first night?

i should have taken my vote off of LG..BUT i can't take that back now..SORRY LADY!

i guess we really just need to work as a group, even if there are witches among us..they will slip up and make catchable mistakes like always..

[Sploke]

I think I figured out why the Herbalist didn't use there protection.



If they blindly used the potion on a PR on Night 1 then they couldn't protect that person again. The chances of the witches hitting a PR were slim, maybe they figured the risk was worth it?


That was my thought too Z...why take the chance on an unknown when, if someone becomes known and need it and its already been used, we're screwed.

[OgreMkV]

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.

[DeputyChiefJR]

Uh Ogre, you just named off a bunch of reasons that depended on you being innocent and I'm not sure I believe you are enough to just go along with those assumptions.

[OgreMkV]

Actually, I don't think it depends on me being innocent or guilty. The fact that she agreed with my list the important bit (and the fact that she was innocent).

If I was guilty (I'm not, but 'if), then you just switch the 'then' part of the if-then statements and they are still valid.

I'm not asking you to believe my innocence (I'm not that naive). I'm just suggesting a couple of options for the reasoning behind G's death and what our likely responses could be.

[BrkD]

i was only speaking the truth when i posted i was in my room. it was not a metaphor for anything else

and yes i had no reason to vote for plantling except for me to stay in the game. i withdrew my vote against charlie because i just didnt think he was suspicious anymore.

as of now i dont even know where to start and who to suspect. i will read on and see what happens.

[IceH2O]

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.

I don't know if I believe any of theses scenarios but the fact that Ogre wasn't on LG or JM clears him for the day at least IMO.

Lady G had many lists of some sort. 6 that I counted last night.

I'm more concerned with post 313 from KOTD. I don't see where he got vote for LG out of the post DD made but he saw a reason or thought he did. DD wasn't even pointing a finger at LG.

As for JM, I think thats where you need to look for witches. Plant and DC were on her the hardest with a questionable vote and post by Z.

[IceH2O]

I don't know if I believe any one of theses scenarios. Meaning I think its a cross between 2 or it could be one of the scenarios but not explained the same way as I then started to point out.

[charlie_stubbs]

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.

It's difficult for me to imagine why they killed Lady. However, if they killed her because she agreed with your list, why didn't they kill me??? I also liked your list. For that matter, why didn't they kill you??? You made the list.

Ice's recent posts have me leaning him back to innocent again. Like DD, he has obviously put in some leg work trying to help us.

I trust DD, Ogre, and Ice at least for one day. These players appear to be working toward helping the town.

I do not trust Brk, or DC. These two are my prime suspects. I think Ice has found scum under those stones he turned, so I will add King to my suspects.

[charlie_stubbs]

My top three:
DC
Brk
KOTD

[charlie_stubbs]

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.


Actually, I don't think it depends on me being innocent or guilty. The fact that she agreed with my list the important bit (and the fact that she was innocent).

If I was guilty (I'm not, but 'if), then you just switch the 'then' part of the if-then statements and they are still valid.

I'm not asking you to believe my innocence (I'm not that naive). I'm just suggesting a couple of options for the reasoning behind G's death and what our likely responses could be.
Switching King for Ice i still like your list. I'm going to keep beating Brk till he confesses, you work over the other two.

[KingOfTheDeep]

part of DD's post

tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! - Post 190

Not really sure of this as the visuals are all over our avatars and names. However, I do see the points brought up by you guys but I do think that either we are reading either too far into it or not enough. If I were to guess at a glance, it is saying to me that someone who drinks the witchy brew is quite talkative. That can be LG, she's got 67 posts here, while Z has 35posts and is in 2nd place then we have 3rd place Ice who has 27 posts.




agreeing with her logic towards LG


this is a very good post, very logical..i can definitely see the point about LG, and i have been suspicious of her since my first post..

so for now, i vote to burn ladyG




I don't know if I believe any of theses scenarios but the fact that Ogre wasn't on LG or JM clears him for the day at least IMO.

Lady G had many lists of some sort. 6 that I counted last night.

I'm more concerned with post 313 from KOTD. I don't see where he got vote for LG out of the post DD made but he saw a reason or thought he did. DD wasn't even pointing a finger at LG.

As for JM, I think thats where you need to look for witches. Plant and DC were on her the hardest with a questionable vote and post by Z.

at the time i was suspicous of her, like i said..she gave me a bad feeling..so i voted, if i felt a better suspect came along, i would have taken my vote off her.

[DeputyChiefJR]

My vote was a first day vote. I distinctly remember saying that I hadn't found anyone that screamed suspicious through the day. JM caught my attention as well as many others. I'm not sure what else to say on that subject. I play the same way every game and everyone pegs me as guilty, I must have learned my playing style from Coler. :-p I guess just because I don't play like everyone else it means I'm automatically guilty...

[charlie_stubbs]

My vote was a first day vote. I distinctly remember saying that I hadn't found anyone that screamed suspicious through the day. JM caught my attention as well as many others. I'm not sure what else to say on that subject. I play the same way every game and everyone pegs me as guilty, I must have learned my playing style from Coler. :-p I guess just because I don't play like everyone else it means I'm automatically guilty...
Who are your suspects now, my warty friend???

[Sploke]

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.

If I had to choose one scenario, it would be 3. B is playing like a newbie and DC is his usual drunken, tardy self. Ice I was unsure about but I'm leaning innocent on him as well. Going from there...

CS is all over DC, which I can kind of see but I'm still not buying it, and pushing hard to lynch the newbie, generally an easy sell due to the usual slip-ups and possibly some confusion about the rules. Ice also mentioned that plantling was pushing for JM (although so was I for a bit) so that will probably warrant a closer look later on.

[charlie_stubbs]

If I had to choose one scenario, it would be 3. B is playing like a newbie and DC is his usual drunken, tardy self. Ice I was unsure about but I'm leaning innocent on him as well. Going from there...

CS is all over DC, which I can kind of see but I'm still not buying it, and pushing hard to lynch the newbie, generally an easy sell due to the usual slip-ups and possibly some confusion about the rules. Ice also mentioned that plantling was pushing for JM (although so was I for a bit) so that will probably warrant a closer look later on.
I gotta go "choke some chickens". I would like to see some top three lists posted today.

[Swayde]

I still do not have a strong opinion on anyone. I am very tempted to burn myself because I don't feel I am being any help to the town at all this round. It could be my new allergy medicine making my brain so fuzzy, or it could be just that nobody has managed to set off any bells yet for me.

I was very surprised to see Lady G killed off. I think this means 1 of 2 things...

1) The witches assumed the herbalist would be protecting one of the usual suspects who gets killed off fast.

2) The usual suspects who get killed off fast are all witches so they took out someone they felt would be a threat.

I guess there is a 3rd reason as well. Maybe they want us to give more thought to her lists and theories. I personally don't think the spell things are really clues, but they may want us to believe they are because they don't hint at any of them and Lady G seemed to be pushing them very hard.

I'm thinking Ogre, Z, CS, Ice and DD are going to be the people I will be watching most closely today, however, I don't trust anyone and on a scale of 1-10 (10 being innocent) I'd have these five as 3's with everyone else at 4's =/

[ZSandmann]

well..we didn't have a productive night..obviously..but when have we ever taken out 2 or the evils in the first night?

i should have taken my vote off of LG..BUT i can't take that back now..SORRY LADY!

i guess we really just need to work as a group, even if there are witches among us..they will slip up and make catchable mistakes like always..
I don't understand the phrase I bolded above, I think "or" should be "of" but just wanted to know if you could clarify that for me.

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.

Ok I give you credit for trying to catagorize these scenarios but I can think of many more that are just as likely.
4) The Witches thought she was a PR.
5) They just wanted her gone because she was the highest poster
etc.

I'm flattered that you would peg me as the leader, but I was Don in a previous game and it didn't work out well for us.

[ZSandmann]

I still do not have a strong opinion on anyone. I am very tempted to burn myself because I don't feel I am being any help to the town at all this round. It could be my new allergy medicine making my brain so fuzzy, or it could be just that nobody has managed to set off any bells yet for me.

I was very surprised to see Lady G killed off. I think this means 1 of 2 things...

1) The witches assumed the herbalist would be protecting one of the usual suspects who gets killed off fast.

2) The usual suspects who get killed off fast are all witches so they took out someone they felt would be a threat.

I guess there is a 3rd reason as well. Maybe they want us to give more thought to her lists and theories. I personally don't think the spell things are really clues, but they may want us to believe they are because they don't hint at any of them and Lady G seemed to be pushing them very hard.

I'm thinking Ogre, Z, CS, Ice and DD are going to be the people I will be watching most closely today, however, I don't trust anyone and on a scale of 1-10 (10 being innocent) I'd have these five as 3's with everyone else at 4's =/

Lol, Swayde, Rb didn't tell you it was 12 Witches against you? :grinno:

[Swayde]

I don't understand the phrase I bolded above, I think "or" should be "of" but just wanted to know if you could clarify that for me.


Ok I give you credit for trying to catagorize these scenarios but I can think of many more that are just as likely.
4) The Witches thought she was a PR.
5) They just wanted her gone because she was the highest poster
etc.

I'm flattered that you would peg me as the leader, but I was Don in a previous game and it didn't work out well for us.


They could have very well thought she was a PR. I didnt' even consider that possibility.

[Swayde]

Lol, Swayde, Rb didn't tell you it was 12 Witches against you? :grinno:


Well I had 2 teammates, but now they are both dead =(

[ZSandmann]

Question:

The rules say the Warlock uses a spell at the beginning of Day 2, 3, and 4.
If they used spell 3 on someone last night when Day 2 began, does it take effect immediately or at Night? Because spell three stops a person from voting so it would imply it occurs immediately.
I haven't been pmed so I can still vote, how about everyone else?

I assume there is no harm in saying if you were told not to vote as it will be obvious enough at Night. bluerat is the only person that hasn't posted since Day 2 began but he was supposedly sick.

[Swayde]

Question:

The rules say the Warlock uses a spell at the beginning of Day 2, 3, and 4.
If they used spell 3 on someone last night when Day 2 began, does it take effect immediately or at Night? Because spell three stops a person from voting so it would imply it occurs immediately.
I haven't been pmed so I can still vote, how about everyone else?

I assume there is no harm in saying if you were told not to vote as it will be obvious enough at Night. bluerat is the only person that hasn't posted since Day 2 began but he was supposedly sick.


No PM here either, I can still vote. I just haven't the foggiest idea of who to vote for =/

[ZSandmann]

Me either, still many hours till Night so I want to see what everyone takes from last Night, and how things sort in the next 12-24 hours.

[OgreMkV]

Just for list purposes... I still like Br. Ice and DC are also potential witches in my mind.

[KingOfTheDeep]

I don't understand the phrase I bolded above, I think "or" should be "of" but just wanted to know if you could clarify that for me.



yes, the "or" should be "of"

[plantling]

i was only speaking the truth when i posted i was in my room. it was not a metaphor for anything else

and yes i had no reason to vote for plantling except for me to stay in the game. i withdrew my vote against charlie because i just didnt think he was suspicious anymore.

as of now i dont even know where to start and who to suspect. i will read on and see what happens.
It made no sense for you to switch your vote unless you had a buddy who was also going to switch their vote to me but that would have exposed the both of you so for now I'm going to accept your explanation.


I don't know if I believe any of theses scenarios but the fact that Ogre wasn't on LG or JM clears him for the day at least IMO.

Lady G had many lists of some sort. 6 that I counted last night.

I'm more concerned with post 313 from KOTD. I don't see where he got vote for LG out of the post DD made but he saw a reason or thought he did. DD wasn't even pointing a finger at LG.

As for JM, I think thats where you need to look for witches. Plant and DC were on her the hardest with a questionable vote and post by Z.
Ummm Ice, I was on you the hardest and though you have been trying to be helpful listing post numbers and such I fear DC may be right about you steering the town in the wrong direction. JM voted for me, not the other way around and the only reason that I saw was that I made that comment about her not yet listing the couple of people she had alluded to. And I wasn't even the only one who wondered about those allusions. So she was on me for that but I had and still have witchy vibes from you so I left my vote on you.


Question:

The rules say the Warlock uses a spell at the beginning of Day 2, 3, and 4.
If they used spell 3 on someone last night when Day 2 began, does it take effect immediately or at Night? Because spell three stops a person from voting so it would imply it occurs immediately.
I haven't been pmed so I can still vote, how about everyone else?

I assume there is no harm in saying if you were told not to vote as it will be obvious enough at Night. bluerat is the only person that hasn't posted since Day 2 began but he was supposedly sick.

I haven't been pm'd either.

[jpappy789]

i was only speaking the truth when i posted i was in my room. it was not a metaphor for anything else

and yes i had no reason to vote for plantling except for me to stay in the game. i withdrew my vote against charlie because i just didnt think he was suspicious anymore.

as of now i dont even know where to start and who to suspect. i will read on and see what happens.

B let me get this straight...

You took your vote off of Chas because you didn't think he was suspicious and put it on plantling only to have a vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why even switch votes in the first place???

[ZSandmann]

It didn't make much sense to me either pappy. He plays almost like Ewurm did in his first game, this is exactly why I said I'd give the Newbs a bit of slack so I could see how they play. He's had less than a dozen posts though so I still don't know, I can tell he is confused, but that doesn't mean anything about what his role is.

[plantling]

so, as follows, my list of "witches are"

Ice: You seem a little jumpy here for some reason, I think you might be a little more so than usual.

KOTD: just got your PM?...which was ok in its self, except, that like 4 people tried to cover for you, and you then brought it back up to re-clarify it, when it was all but forgotten.

PLant, you jumped in right after kings post, and clarified it for him, ..trying to cover the other members of your coven?....

DD: what the hell girl?..jumping quick this game are we?...Yes I was evil last game, lol, but I am not this game, and I have nothing to hide. Last game has nothing to do with this one, and you my dear, are a little feisty.


charlie?..You throw stones so early, but forget that your windows are made of glass?, or are your windows protected by your spells?..

this being said, my first vote is to burn plant at the stake this vote is subject to change, and It might.

now lets get some kindling, i want smores!


:goldfish:

Originally Posted by plantling http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1120644#post1120644)
Ice, the post you quoted w/a lot of names were just "notes of interest" while I was reading through the thread. It clearly got to you and JMax a little more than the others. And LG was on that list also, so think what you want about it being distancing.
no, i voted for you, because, I feel you tried to cover for KOTD, that is it, I have no feathers, or brooms for you to ruffle, as stated earlier, some of you are reading way to much into the way I phrase my posts, and the fact that I answered for my absence because it was made a big deal that I had not posted.

Good catch, Jp. As I stated earlier, I think the Warlock is a townie and why would Lady G assume that they were evil?


To correct myself, JM voted for me because I asked King about his first post. As I've stated, King had said he had just gotten his pm and I wasn't sure what that meant so I asked him.

[jpappy789]

It didn't make much sense to me either pappy. He plays almost like Ewurm did in his first game, this is exactly why I said I'd give the Newbs a bit of slack so I could see how they play. He's had less than a dozen posts though so I still don't know, I can tell he is confused, but that doesn't mean anything about what his role is.

True but ewurm did nail jl on like the second day. So until B comes up with some good evidence he is on my list

[IceH2O]

Early lunch so a quick reply.


It made no sense for you to switch your vote unless you had a buddy who was also going to switch their vote to me but that would have exposed the both of you so for now I'm going to accept your explanation.

I do agree that Bs vote switch made no sense if he had no suspicion of you. One of the posts ( 393 ) as night fell by Jpap asks LG if she is going to switch now that the vote would out Plantling.


Ummm Ice, I was on you the hardest and though you have been trying to be helpful listing post numbers and such I fear DC may be right about you steering the town in the wrong direction. JM voted for me, not the other way around and the only reason that I saw was that I made that comment about her not yet listing the couple of people she had alluded to. And I wasn't even the only one who wondered about those allusions. So she was on me for that but I had and still have witchy vibes from you so I left my vote on you.

You might have voted me and gave me a bit of a hard time but the list of posts under JM tell me different. I see your name, DC and Zs names the most.


I haven't been pm'd either.


B let me get this straight...

You took your vote off of Chas because you didn't think he was suspicious and put it on plantling only to have a vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why even switch votes in the first place???

I'm going to refer back to post 393 here and ask Jpap why he asked LG if she planned on switching to Plantling now that it would make a difference?



I'm going to hold my vote for now, I want to actually be able to process the posts I had listed and tear them down before I make any rash judgments.

[IceH2O]

Ice, the post you quoted w/a lot of names were just "notes of interest" while I was reading through the thread. It clearly got to you and JMax a little more than the others. And LG was on that list also, so think what you want about it being distancing.



Well we know now it wasn't distancing don't we. Looks like a list of 2 known innocents and 1 unknown innocent.

[plantling]

Well we know now it wasn't distancing don't we. Looks like a list of 2 known innocents and 1 unknown innocent.
Again Ice, you are all trying to misrepresent me. It was not a list. It was a comment EARLY on in the game about you and Lady G. You are the one who had Lady G on a list w/me (and DD, Z, and Ogre) and insinuated that even though I mentioned LG also, it was only to for distancing. Distancing my foot! She's a known innocent but you also being an innocent is yet to be proven and is very much in question IMO.

[plantling]

How about this for an early list. No particular order since I think they are all in the Coven of Witches.

Plant
DD
Z
LG
Ogre

For some reason I just can't shake this feeling.

Just to refresh your memory, Ice.

[plantling]

Sorry.I missed the top quote.


Originally Posted by plantling http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1119281#post1119281)
Wow! Some early votes already. Though Ice and Lady G do seem to know a bit about witches. Hmmmm...



Wanted to point out one of her 1st posts are already throwing suspicion my way. I know she mentions LG also but it could be distancing.

This is the post where Ice first says I was trying to distance myself from LG. It was in response to my early comment about their knowledge of witches. He had her on his witch list and insinuated that I was distancing. I merely had her on my "notes of interest" post. But he is trying to hang me for it. Isn't this the pot calling the kettle?

[Dangerdoll]

I had my vote on JM because I thought for sure, she must be witchy. I contemplated moving my vote but things just seemed to point her more and more toward the witchy way due to her not even responding to our votes. She never really even tried to defend herself. Yes, she was busy but the board showed that she was here, so being here why couldn't she at least put something out there to change our minds. I am not saying she is at fault for not being here, but I am saying she didn't defend herself in the least when I believe she could have.

As far as who I think might be guilty. Well, Brk does seem to sit on my list for his last minute scramble for the vote in the minutes before night. First he voted charlie, then no one, then in a last minute attempt, voted Plant. Maybe he voted plant so he didn't have to be questioned why he was voting Judge. He also looks guilty for putting a vote out earlier without reason, and then a few posts later, posts reason. 2 strange ones if you ask me. Again, I will say that this shows me that because he is new, he ran back to the board after discussing with his cronies that he needs to put out reasons in order not to look so "suspicious". When all along, we would have probably passed his vote over with a little leniency because he is in fact the newbie to the game.

I don't want to say the other newbie is on my alert but the simple fact is, that he is. Call it a language barrier or what have you but it seems to me, he is forcing the cryptic talk. Half the time, I haven't the slightest clue as to what he is saying. He tries blaming his hours for his meek attempt at the game, f which I find a poor excuse. If anything, it helps him think a lot more than a lot of us. Yet, he does not try to correct his play or his messages, he simply doesn't post.

DC... well, that drunk post kinda blew me away. I think it woulda been better if he didn't post at all and came back the next day with a hangover post.... as was mentioned, the last thing I would be thnking about if I came home that drunk where my post showed so many typos, all I would be thinking about is sleep. The post seems phony and may have been planted so that he was not questioned for his low posting that day.

King for picking out in my spell explanations that LG must be witchy. He seemed to read it and immediately believe this was it. There should be no other explanation.... perhaps it's because he didn't have one..... chose the easy way out and continued back to the "lay low" strategy of some mafia/witchy roles.

Ogre for discrediting the spells as hints for the town completely. Yes, one or two may be nonsense but rb's track records show that he does hint. When I was mafia and had my team, we were completely sweeping the town until rb came out with those hints of his. This leads me to also suspect Z and Pappy though they are each leaning innocent.

Those that just give me shakey feelings are Ice and Charlie. Both very good players with a lot to say. I haven't pin pointed exactly what bothers me on each, but I do get a weeird feeling from each.


I wish we knew how many witches there were. I like being able to say okay, there are 5 bad guys and 10 good guys and then I can categorize people accordingly...the top 10 people I think are innocent or a few bad guys and the shady, in-between folks and then pick out the person I think is most lkely evil. This not knowing how many there are kinda throws a wrench into that strategy though and so I have to assume everyone is a witch, but I know a few are definitely good power roles and then it really gets hard....argggh...can't think =/

This also bothers me about Sway, however I am not sold on her being guilty or innocent yet. Just wantd to make a note of it.


I did not get a PM last night

[ZSandmann]

Hehehehe, you covered everyone but plant and sploke there DD. :D

[jpappy789]

I had my vote on JM because I thought for sure, she must be witchy. I contemplated moving my vote but things just seemed to point her more and more toward the witchy way due to her not even responding to our votes. She never really even tried to defend herself. Yes, she was busy but the board showed that she was here, so being here why couldn't she at least put something out there to change our minds. I am not saying she is at fault for not being here, but I am saying she didn't defend herself in the least when I believe she could have.

As far as who I think might be guilty. Well, Brk does seem to sit on my list for his last minute scramble for the vote in the minutes before night. First he voted charlie, then no one, then in a last minute attempt, voted Plant. Maybe he voted plant so he didn't have to be questioned why he was voting Judge. He also looks guilty for putting a vote out earlier without reason, and then a few posts later, posts reason. 2 strange ones if you ask me. Again, I will say that this shows me that because he is new, he ran back to the board after discussing with his cronies that he needs to put out reasons in order not to look so "suspicious". When all along, we would have probably passed his vote over with a little leniency because he is in fact the newbie to the game.

I don't want to say the other newbie is on my alert but the simple fact is, that he is. Call it a language barrier or what have you but it seems to me, he is forcing the cryptic talk. Half the time, I haven't the slightest clue as to what he is saying. He tries blaming his hours for his meek attempt at the game, f which I find a poor excuse. If anything, it helps him think a lot more than a lot of us. Yet, he does not try to correct his play or his messages, he simply doesn't post.

DC... well, that drunk post kinda blew me away. I think it woulda been better if he didn't post at all and came back the next day with a hangover post.... as was mentioned, the last thing I would be thnking about if I came home that drunk where my post showed so many typos, all I would be thinking about is sleep. The post seems phony and may have been planted so that he was not questioned for his low posting that day.

King for picking out in my spell explanations that LG must be witchy. He seemed to read it and immediately believe this was it. There should be no other explanation.... perhaps it's because he didn't have one..... chose the easy way out and continued back to the "lay low" strategy of some mafia/witchy roles.

Ogre for discrediting the spells as hints for the town completely. Yes, one or two may be nonsense but rb's track records show that he does hint. When I was mafia and had my team, we were completely sweeping the town until rb came out with those hints of his. This leads me to also suspect Z and Pappy though they are each leaning innocent.

Those that just give me shakey feelings are Ice and Charlie. Both very good players with a lot to say. I haven't pin pointed exactly what bothers me on each, but I do get a weeird feeling from each.



This also bothers me about Sway, however I am not sold on her being guilty or innocent yet. Just wantd to make a note of it.


I did not get a PM last night

DD I really like your insight. Although it is out of character for you this post eases my earlier suspicions of you.

[jpappy789]

Ice the reason I asked Lg if she would switch was because she said herself she would switch to plant because she didn't really like her jm vote but plant only had 3 at the time while jm had 5. Then b switched off of jm, probably becuase he didn't want to get blamed for the vote with no reason and I thought lg would end up switching to plant because it made a difference so I asked but it was already night by then...I wasn't trying to push a plant vote. If I were a witch, why wouldn't I just let jm die? Just to clarify...

[Dangerdoll]

Hehehehe, you covered everyone but plant and sploke there DD. :D
as much as I want to have some kind of read from plant and sploke, I get nothing from them. I am concerned though because there were votes on plant last night.... anyone care to justify?

[jpappy789]

as much as I want to have some kind of read from plant and sploke, I get nothing from them. I am concerned though because there were votes on plant last night.... anyone care to justify?

I think most of the stuff came from clues that Ice and Lg were reading too much into. But I will go back and check.

[bluerat]

hi peeps im back , i like the way youve jumped on my tail DD & Jpap but you have got me all wrong, one of the reasons i pounced on JM is as you say not defending herself on the votes, ok perhaps i should have been more upfront but this the first time i have played and i am still getting to grips with it.
please, please, stop refering to me as a he, i am a SHE .
so there you go that is my secret revealed
as i far as my husband that is evil enough

[Dangerdoll]

amazing how now the post language somewhat makes sense

[jpappy789]

ive had my reasons before i casted my vote. i wouldnt vote to lynch on someone without a reason. whether my reasons to vote are cheesy or not is ones preference


i vote to lynch plantling

Woah! Just noticed this from Brkd!


I vote to burn Brkd at the stake

[jpappy789]

amazing how now the post language somewhat makes sense

must have been the illness or something...:shakehead:

[jpappy789]

What really bothers me about these clues is ow Ice took them and used them to swing his vote to plant because he insinuated that she was the HP even though the clue he used could not be taken that way if you read it correctly...




will this work for the Townies....

Go away evil dreams
its not what it seems
go away go far away leave my dreams sight
give me at least one good night

This first "clue" is directed at the townies


or do someof you need...



"Cast of a shadow I am thee, make the ones who look, not see me.
I am thin air not to be seen, I am a shadow invisible both silent and lean."


notice how this next one begins...some, meaning all the witches


While we're commenting on clues how about this:

Could he be telling us that our votes aren't on anyone evil?




This ones a stretch,its pointing out the High Priest/Priestess. The color is greenish. A plantling is green.A plantling is lean and also silent as plants don't make noise.

Like I said a stretch but looks to be the only SN to match it. No doubt its about the HP though. They are the only one we can look at and not find the truth about.

Ice first thinks it pertains the Hp and thinks it must be plant because a plantinling is green like the font...I agree it is a stretch


Due to a waking up shower and some thought I'd rather not vote for Z at this time.

If I feel that was a clue about Plantling and the HP role then I HAVE to vote that way and kill the witches chances of investigations.

I retract my vote for Z and vote to lynch plantling

I've had more suspicions on her anyway.

I'll be around till shortly before 7:30 AM if it needs to be discussed, if not see you this afternoon.

The Ice's vote on Plant because he thinks she is the HP and he feels compelled to vote for her...seem suspicious to anyone else? Thats quite an accusation for not reading the clues correctly...

Somehow Brkd switch to plantling may be connected to this, I don't know how but Ice seems more witchy to me

[bluerat]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_204.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxuk101MXGB) thanks for your concern JP , im feeling better than i did yesterday, although i did struggle to stay at work today but i coped well . so here i am

[jpappy789]

I think most of the stuff came from clues that Ice and Lg were reading too much into. But I will go back and check.

To follow up on this, jm and lg initially voted plant for different reasons. Ice was the one who used the clue as you can see above in my other post

[jpappy789]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_204.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxuk101MXGB) thanks for your concern JP , im feeling better than i did yesterday, although i did struggle to stay at work today but i coped well . so here i am

Ok you are here...so any thoughts yet? Or did you disappear again?

[bluerat]

on how to confuse myself or you lol im still sifting through the posts in between doing things here and at home

[Sploke]

I voted for plantling mostly based on Ice's analysis of the clues. For a first day vote, it seemed to be as good a decision as any.

As far as rb's clues go, the first one could have been as simple as saying, hey maybe we'll actually get a bad guy on the first night, since it hasn't happened yet in any game I've played.

Jpappy seems really eager to jump at people given the slightest chance or provocation, which is making me nervous.

I'm not seeing anything strange from Bluerat, I've talked to her a good deal in chat and yes, she is always a bit hard to understand. I think its more the typing style than anything else, i.e. rather poor grammar and almost a complete lack of punctuation. Thus, it comes off as cryptic where its more likely lazy chat speak.

[jpappy789]

I voted for plantling mostly based on Ice's analysis of the clues. For a first day vote, it seemed to be as good a decision as any.

As far as rb's clues go, the first one could have been as simple as saying, hey maybe we'll actually get a bad guy on the first night, since it hasn't happened yet in any game I've played.

Jpappy seems really eager to jump at people given the slightest chance or provocation, which is making me nervous.

I'm not seeing anything strange from Bluerat, I've talked to her a good deal in chat and yes, she is always a bit hard to understand. I think its more the typing style than anything else, i.e. rather poor grammar and almost a complete lack of punctuation. Thus, it comes off as cryptic where its more likely lazy chat speak.

Think what you want sploke. If jumping on people helps get witches then so be it.

[ZSandmann]

I heartily disagree with you sploke. jpappy has by far done more leg work so far on Day 2 than any of the rest of us. I've been rereading Day 1 posts during coffee breaks but don't have anything new to add just yet. Ice is also contributing a good bit of feedback. As we have no known Innocent's I take this research with a grain of salt, but it is helpful.

[bluerat]

I'm not seeing anything strange from Bluerat, I've talked to her a good deal in chat and yes, she is always a bit hard to understand. I think its more the typing style than anything else, i.e. rather poor grammar and almost a complete lack of punctuation. Thus, it comes off as cryptic where its more likely lazy chat speak.
__________________
thank you , sploke im glad someone has come to my rescue, i am a lazy typer
and i am a bit odd at times and i do go off to another planet sometimes lol
and i think jpap youre jumping in the wrong direction where im concerned lol

[ZSandmann]

bluerat if you hit that button in the bottom right of a post that says quote you won't have to copy posts by hand. And sorry for calling you a he several times. For some reason I always assume the masculine online.

[bluerat]

thanks Z the other thing i was wondering is how to keep up with new posts as in i have to go out of this topic and come back in to see the next, it looks like i vanish only to come back later . is this the norm?

[jpappy789]

I'm not seeing anything strange from Bluerat, I've talked to her a good deal in chat and yes, she is always a bit hard to understand. I think its more the typing style than anything else, i.e. rather poor grammar and almost a complete lack of punctuation. Thus, it comes off as cryptic where its more likely lazy chat speak.
__________________
thank you , sploke im glad someone has come to my rescue, i am a lazy typer
and i am a bit odd at times and i do go off to another planet sometimes lol
and i think jpap youre jumping in the wrong direction where im concerned lol

If you think I am jumping on you then I don't mean to. I find you suspicious and I can mostly contribute that to me being "newb-paranoid" and the way you post. But after the first couple of days you should know that being a confused newb won't cut it.

[jpappy789]

Yay! My new n. multies are finally coming out of the shells! They are so cool looking!!!

Just thought I would share my excitmenet...

[IceH2O]

Early day which is good, I get to spend time on those posts


Just to refresh your memory, Ice.

Yep at the time I thought LG was acting weird. I even had a vote on her. She cleared herself IMO and thats when I switched over to you.



Ice the reason I asked Lg if she would switch was because she said herself she would switch to plant because she didn't really like her jm vote but plant only had 3 at the time while jm had 5. Then b switched off of jm, probably becuase he didn't want to get blamed for the vote with no reason and I thought lg would end up switching to plant because it made a difference so I asked but it was already night by then...I wasn't trying to push a plant vote. If I were a witch, why wouldn't I just let jm die? Just to clarify...

Never implied you were witch, just wondering if you had the same feelings as me on Plant.It seemed it was so.


as much as I want to have some kind of read from plant and sploke, I get nothing from them. I am concerned though because there were votes on plant last night.... anyone care to justify?

Let me pull the JM posts and I'll let you decide.


What really bothers me about these clues is ow Ice took them and used them to swing his vote to plant because he insinuated that she was the HP even though the clue he used could not be taken that way if you read it correctly...



This first "clue" is directed at the townies



notice how this next one begins...some, meaning all the witches



Ice first thinks it pertains the Hp and thinks it must be plant because a plantinling is green like the font...I agree it is a stretch

I admitted it was a stretch



The Ice's vote on Plant because he thinks she is the HP and he feels compelled to vote for her...seem suspicious to anyone else? Thats quite an accusation for not reading the clues correctly...

Somehow Brkd switch to plantling may be connected to this, I don't know how but Ice seems more witchy to me

You missed this post, was it an accidental miss or a convient miss?


The more I look at the "clues" the more I think they aren't clues. I think Rb is just casting spells.



The 1st one I think is one for me to use to protect myself so I can get through night 1.

The 2nd one is just acknowledging the HP

The 3rd is probably just acknowledging the Prophet

None of them actually point to any one person IMO. The last post does but not as to their game status.

The last one I think its more a spell he casts to get low posters, Blue and possibly JM to post.

I'm going to get down into the nit and grit of the posts and see what comes from it. Hopefully it will either show me who is evil or show me where I was wrong on an innocent. Either way works for me.

[jpappy789]

Ice I am sorry I missed that post. But I am still confused as to why you voted plant if it had nothing to do with the clues? When you voted for her it was because you suspected her to be the HP at the time (even though the clue is at all the witches) and then you mentioned you were still suspicious of her at the time...what were those suspicions? Why didn't you state those then???

[bluerat]

If you think I am jumping on you then I don't mean to. I find you suspicious and I can mostly contribute that to me being "newb-paranoid" and the way you post. But after the first couple of days you should know that being a confused newb won't cut it.


you are sooo cruel lol,you could lead me up the garden path in this game and i would not know,i almost feel like a small mouse, rather than a rat, being played with by the big cats,lol

[jpappy789]

you are sooo cruel lol,you could lead me up the garden path in this game and i would not know,i almost feel like a small mouse, rather than a rat, being played with by the big cats,lol

:D

[ZSandmann]

thanks Z the other thing i was wondering is how to keep up with new posts as in i have to go out of this topic and come back in to see the next, it looks like i vanish only to come back later . is this the norm?

I just use the refresh button on the toolbar, the one with the two green arrows in a circle.

[bluerat]

As the Townies return to their homes, with locked doors and every known preventative measure being employed, the coven takes to the skies.

They swirl and cackle, enjoying the loss of an innocent. As they spiral down to the victim of their choosing, nary a light shines in all of ACville.

They stand about the home, at various points of the compass, each contributing an assortment of herbs, thrown at the home.

Their voices are all but a screech as they conclude the spell....and the result, Lady G, a complete innocent is no longer with the Town.
Judgemax is an innocent townie, now sailing the heavens....


:huh: why would RB word it like this
i thought innocent was just that innocent
am i becoming paranoid too

[jpappy789]

Either way they are innocent. If they were a role we would know.

[IceH2O]

I've seen this pattern from JM before. Its aggravating but not necessarily incriminating, she goes off about how she's picking up on clues no one else sees and has things figured out, but then doesn't tell anyone whats going on. Not exactly new...



I've seen this behavior from JM before as well. What I do find interesting is her excuse of a million wordxs of all the things she is so busy with but yet still gets to post that she is so if that makes sense. While I am still so sorry for the whole puppy thing that fell into the middle of last game, it was one of the excuses... well, really the only one I would take. Yes, everyone is busy.... perhaps that time spent doing other things could be used to think about who you find innocent or guilty. Then being as you don't have the time to post so much, simply state as much and that you have been thinking.... then post your thought. Should take no more than a few minutes. JM knows better than to post that she's got a few ideas and to leave it at that. She has made her 1st mistake in appearing to be helpful without being helpful. A strong clue that we have found. Sorry Jules...

That said, I'm headed out for the day, got lots of shopping and stuff so won't for a few hours at the least. Townies, hang tight. We are going to finish this one off as victors!


Well statements like this muddy the waters IMO. It's early, but JM's behaviour already looks scummy to me.


Jm that whole "you guys" and stuff did make you look highly suspicious to me last game. I am also very wary of your excuses. You had tons of excuses last game for why you weren't posting, even though you actually were quite active. I see your excuses beginning again. I do believe they are real excuses, however, I think they are unnecessary to give us a laundry list of every activity and to cover your butt so much. Makes you look like your trying to hide something and appear to be a townie, when your really not.

Here Sploke posts that this is normal JM behavior IHO.

DD has played on a mafia team with JM and I. She knows JM is always biting at the bit to post. In the past couple of games JM has been all over the place and her posts made no sense for the most part. She was evil in those games. She was neither posting a lot of crazy this game, at this time I was pretty sure JM was innocent.

Charlie then uses these posts to point fingers.Sway also acknowledges JMs excuses.

DD is the only one to vote JM

I don't think IMO ATM any of the 4 are witches.

I wanted to put JMs lists here for refrence

1st List post 147


so, as follows, my list of "witches are"

Ice: You seem a little jumpy here for some reason, I think you might be a little more so than usual.

KOTD: just got your PM?...which was ok in its self, except, that like 4 people tried to cover for you, and you then brought it back up to re-clarify it, when it was all but forgotten.

PLant, you jumped in right after kings post, and clarified it for him, ..trying to cover the other members of your coven?....

DD: what the hell girl?..jumping quick this game are we?...Yes I was evil last game, lol, but I am not this game, and I have nothing to hide. Last game has nothing to do with this one, and you my dear, are a little feisty.


charlie?..You throw stones so early, but forget that your windows are made of glass?, or are your windows protected by your spells?..

2nd list Post 169

I agree on the DD and plant thing, ..however, I am a little off on the Z and ogre thing..Lady G always seems evil to me, but I really don't know.






Good Morning! Busy Night, it's going to be one of those Day 1's with a thousand changed votes, as long as we end up on a witch though. I don't want to give a list this early, yesterday was mainly fun posts but a few interesting things were revealed.

JM withholds her thoughts, not a betterment for the Town.
Charlie jumped in and accused half the town.
Lady G got rolled by several people but I haven't really seen what the fuss is about.
King got called out for being #13. I know Day 1 is hard, but I hope we can find better reasons than this.

Of all this I think the JM thing bugs me the most.
I vote to burn JudgeMax at the stake.

But I'm also looking for a post from the second newbie.

Here Z votes for JM for witholding info. Post 129.

JM posts a list in post 147 refer to above lists


Post 155 Z says:


BrkD: I don't really understand the way you are coming into this game. You post a lot of accusations but nothing to back them up. And the "room" comment still bugs me.

JM: I don't find you any more guilty than anyone else right now. But I ask you to share any ideas you come up with.

So JM isn't guilty IHO but the vote stays.

Post 260


I agree with you, JM hasn't answered my questions either, but wanted to point out what she said wasn't really a slip. It was withholding information more than anything. I mean it could of been nothing more than a hunch she had but JM's lists are notorious whether she wants them to be or not, and if she has one I'd like for her to share it with us.

At this point JM had already thrown a list twice, but Z still claims she is witholding info.


Hi King. What do you think of JM right now? Actually this goes to everyone. She's the leading candidate right now and I just want to know how many folks feel she is Innocnet vs. Witchy. If you don't have an opinion that is fine as well.

I have 5 votes on JM, three on plantling and DC, 2 on Ice, and 1 on Charlie and Lady G.

He asks everyone their opinions while still keeping his vote on her. Makes it a point to let us know she is the leading vote getter.



I'm agreeing with the JM sentiments, but I'm not yet willing to vote for her. I'd like to see her reasoning against the claims.

Good call Lady G, just checking. ;-)


I was drinking and watching football from 1 pm until I posted last night, thanks. I really have no reason to play around like I want to trick people so badly. Let's get real here. Sway, you've been after me every game for the same reason and when you finally get me killed you find out I was innocent and then say some silly thing like, "oh I read him wrong." Well it's time for you to stop reading me wrong and look for real suspects. I'm gonna go after JM since we've gotten very little from her since the slip was pointed out. Sorry I was busy out having a life, apparently you actually get crucified in this game for it.

I vote to burn JM at the stake.

Here DC votes for JM for the same reason he is upset at Sway for voting him.



I'm not voting for JM because of her low post counts. I'm voting based on her allusion to having info on the first day. The first day is always a mad grasp for straws. We all know this. Once again I'd like to reiterate a point I've made before, low posts have never pointed to guilt or innocence. In the the BioBadlands game, BKW was quite vocal and was the leader of the badguys. We need to find better clues than this person doesn't talk much.

This post DC says he isn't voting for JM because of the low post but because of very little info. Again at this time JM had posted 2 lists.


DC post 305


I haven't seen a lot that makes me super suspicious yet. The newbies are playing weird but that's pretty normal. Everyone's acting like their normal selves. Right now I think DD, LG and Jpap are probably innocent. Mostly because their styles seem more relaxed and talkative than the times when they're evil. ZSand, Swayde and CS have my interest but I need to see more of them before I make any decisions one way or another. KOTD and Ogre have been quiet but their few posts have had logic to them. I guess I'll keep rereading and looking for stuff.

No mention of JM but the vote stays.

His list of 3 groups I find interesting also.

DD LG Jpap innocents. I think so also, this is a list to help him look good.

Zsand, Sway Charlie. I think he names 1 witch in this list. Preemptive distancing in case the evil one gets lynched. 2 others to use as innocent shields.

Kotd and Ogre, a smidgen of protection here?





Alright, just some notes of interest:

Ice saying he'll vote for low posters in post 11, then in post 28 he votes for Lady G.

Lady G is all over the place again and maybe kicking in doors but also accusing someone of not noticing her misspelling is a bit strange as she misspells all the time. ;)

Charlie, the chicken-choker seems to be kicking in doors as well, but is chicken choker a promotion from shoe-shine boy?

JMax, who has been questioned many times about her supposed thoughts but still yet to appear w/ an answer.

That's all for now, have to go fix and have lunch and the kids have been wanting to go to the park. BBL w/more thoughts. Hopefully the other newbie will have posted by then.

For now just for vote=reaction=answers sake, I vote to burn Ice at the stake, subject to change.

Here is Plants early list "of interest". Since I consider Charlie innocent ATM its a list of all innocents.It is true at this point JM hasn't made a list yet.




Watch it Jmax, it's words like these that got you in trouble last game, so if you are indeed a townie, then you'd best align yourself w/us by using US's and WE's.


Well intentioned advice or nit picking hoping to get something started?



Jmax also has a bat flying in her background...she has been what I would consider a low poster also.
Yes, Jmax does, and I was wondering why Ice didn't mention that. Also I was wrong about the 4 way tie. JM actually had 3 votes when Ice pulled off of you and voted for Z and then switched to me which tied us. Can't help but wonder if there's a connection there.

Wanted to make sure we also new JM had a bat in her avatar then tries to link JM to me who she has pegged as evil.


well im off to work now and after pondering what i have read
i vote to burn judge
you say alot and nothing at the same time

This vote came out of nowhere, I think she was just following the votes, no opinion either way on her yet.


For the ones on JM I feel as though DC is the best bet. Z a close second.

I still feel as though Plantling might be witch but the posts aren't as harsh as I thought on JM. Could just be that she is on my *** so hard.

I'll get some posts on LG up in a little while, hers will be easier since its mostly lists I want to deal with.

[charlie_stubbs]

I think Brk is a witch. The vote switch to plantling is strange to say the least.

I still want to see DC's prime suspects. I asked him to post it this morning, but he still hasn't. DC is acting suspiciously. The "drunk" post certainly looks a little contrived, as DD pointed out.

[IceH2O]

I think Brk is a witch. The vote switch to plantling is strange to say the least.

I still want to see DC's prime suspects. I asked him to post it this morning, but he still hasn't. DC is acting suspiciously. The "drunk" post certainly looks a little contrived, as DD pointed out.

I agree I think the switch was a plan and they hoped LG might jump to plantling. I don't think they cared if it switched because they plantling could also be innocent.

If B is evil then it clears Plant IMO. I'm already starting to think I was wrong about her.

[IceH2O]

My list at this time,subject to change after looking through the LG posts.


Bk
DC
Z
KOTD
Ogre
Plantling

[jpappy789]

I think Brk is a witch. The vote switch to plantling is strange to say the least.

I still want to see DC's prime suspects. I asked him to post it this morning, but he still hasn't. DC is acting suspiciously. The "drunk" post certainly looks a little contrived, as DD pointed out.

I would too though I kind of want to see everyones suspects.

I will start with a numbered list:

Brkd-3
DC-3
sploke-4
ogre-5
KOTD-5
Ice-5
plant-5
Chas-5
bluerat- 5
ZS-6
sway-6
DD-7

Not a whole lot of help because a lot of people are 5's after only one night but its a start

[IceH2O]

JM-holding her "info", also the fish tank thing..now I was teasing her about posting pic's so she could "prove" that was really going on, but really I kinda thought she would at least respond to my post, she didn't and I do find that a little off IMO.

Chas-Coming out and jumping on everyone, stating he is changing his style..I mean really would anyone of said something about him "spacing" his statements?

Brk-Not posting, now this one is new so I'm giving the benifit of the doubt there. But still would like to hear from him/her.

That's about it at this point..not much like I said.


I just wanted to comment...ummm so? I saw nothing suspicious and didn't want it to look like I did at that point, so what?


For one I don't think I have really been all over the place, so not sure where that came from. Also I find it odd that you mention 3 different ppl here but vote for someone not on your "suspisions"? I agree w/ question answer theory but....it just seemed odd in this post. Also did you read the posting that lead up to the mis spelling comment??? Pointing out here that Plant did infact name me on her list, LG missed it


Ok, I wasn't going to pick on you much the first day b/c of you being new and all, but this just jumped out at me and I HAVE to say something here. I highlighted the part I found "odd" now typing mistakes happen (believe me I do my share and get reamed for it) but where you ready to say Ice and Dep ARE innocent???
Hmmm...this just doesn't sit well w/ me B.

And with this post I would like to add Plant to my list. I can't shake the whole post to KOTD about his pm that is my biggest thing...I know it doesn't seem like much. Then added to that is the post where she say's I've been all over the place...yes I know most 1st day's I am and before the day is over I will of most likely seen something odd by each person, but at that point really I hadn't been. Then the whole bringing up the "mis spelling" posting between Sploke and I, if she had read what lead up to that she should of known what was going on...nothing really to note, just a little 1st day fun. Lastly she makes a list of who she feels is suspisious, but vote for someone else?? Ice has posted alot so far and I really see the "getting answers" vote as more for low posters JMO.

And for now I am going to vote to burn Plant at the stake.


Actually Ogre, there may be something to this Ice, Br, Dep thing you have...Br is new (obviously) in his post that bugged me he wrote that Ice and Dep are seem to be innocent. Now either he is witch (sounds funny calling a guy witch) and wants to make it look like he thinks they are innocent b/c he knows they are not (being on his team), or he is naming them as innocent knowing they really are and if he is burned we would think they are evil also thus taking 2 innocents when he is found to be witch. Honestly at that point when he named them as innocent, I don't think much had happened to actually come out and say I think so/so is innocent.

For the record, I am thinking our newb is witch, not sure on Dep or Ice at this point. Dep isn't posting much to judge on and Ice really seems like Ice to me throwing things out "just to see how others react". Then pouncing on them when they do.


You could obviously add me to that whole "odd" thing!!:D

"Yes, Jmax does, and I was wondering why Ice didn't mention that. Also I was wrong about the 4 way tie. JM actually had 3 votes when Ice pulled off of you and voted for Z and then switched to me which tied us. Can't help but wonder if there's a connection there"
This is really what I wanted to comment on, of coarse it wont bring it over in my quote..since it was a quote w/in a quote...but yes I was wondering that myself, that would be why after he posted it I pointed out Jmax had one also and then started looking more into things as they were posted and decided she fit the whole "bat" theory best IMO.

Since this was brought up I do at this time want to retract my vote for Plant...and vote to burn Jmax

Of coarse this is subject to change at anytime, others it may be switched to would be DC, back to plant or Ice.


Guy's I'm getting the pre-burning jitters....my head keeps going back and forth right now between Jmax and Plant, then DD's post about Jpap stands out to me AHHHHH, I wish Jmax would post I hate voting someone who hasn't posted any response and am thinking about switching back to Plant, I feel strong about both.

suspects bolded

Take from it what you will. I actually think it helped keep Plant on my witchy side.





this is a very good post, very logical..i can definitely see the point about LG, and i have been suspicious of her since my first post..

so for now, i vote to burn ladyG


This post I found really interesting. DD puts LG in the cat category for that spell. KOTD latches onto it but there are people who actually have cats in their avatars that would make just as good a match.

Doesn't seem like much but neither was the reason for buying into the LG vote.

So my list basically stays the same

Bk
DC
Z
KOTD
Ogre
Plantling

Not knowing how many witches there 1 or 2 would have to be dropped,I doubt there are 6 of them, probably 4. I'm leaning to the bottom 2 as less witchy then the others.

[OgreMkV]

I think I'm going to vote for brk

[charlie_stubbs]

I think I'm going to vote for brk
I think i already did. what are your feelings on DC ogre

[OgreMkV]

I have DC listed as one of my top contenders. I think all the reasons have already been stated.

There seems to me to be a connection between Ice and DC. I still like Ice as a witch, so that pushes DC to witchiness as well.

As to the fourth and/or possible fifth witches. I have no idea at this point.

I vote to burn brk

[OgreMkV]

After a review of DC's posts. I find nothing terribly original in any of them. HE always seems to be agreeing with someone else or stating something obvious or without any support (" I still think DD is innocent and I'm beginning to believe Sway more now by some of her recent posts")

So, based on those weak findings, I'm still thinking he's witchy.

[charlie_stubbs]

I have recently been leaning Ice towards innocent, he seems to be trying to help.

I do know he is very clever and could easily be leading me around by the nose.

I am eager to hear from my warty friend Brk. I very much would like to hear what he has to say.

[charlie_stubbs]

After a review of DC's posts. I find nothing terribly original in any of them. HE always seems to be agreeing with someone else or stating something obvious or without any support (" I still think DD is innocent and I'm beginning to believe Sway more now by some of her recent posts")

So, based on those weak findings, I'm still thinking he's witchy.
This is what i get too. Generally agreeing, not much beating the bushes, then the drunk post, which DD pointed out looks like a excuse for low posting....very witchy...

[Dangerdoll]

For now, I guess I will put my vote in for BrkD. I see he hasn't been here since 2ish am this morning so I am curious to see how he reacts to the votes. I would like him to convince me that I am incorrect in my thoughts. I am open to accepting that he is a townie if I feel by his explanations, that he is.

As far as DC, I am also concerned to see what his defense would be as he is who I will probably change my vote to due to his unhelpful posts and the drunk one. The problem is, I just don't think it's a lot to go on in calling him witchy but I am watching him.

Ice, I was more so leaning Ice witchy yesterday but these posts today seem to change my mind. I don't know if it is him being helpful or him trying to lead the town away. He is a leader and knows how to direct the group. For that, I am afraid and is what makes me nervous about him.

Ice, I do have a question I would like you to clarify for me. Why is it if B is found witchy, that plant is cleared and probably innocent?

For now, I vote to burn BrkD at the stake

[Dangerdoll]

I vote to burn BrkD at the stake