Mafia #13 - The Witches of ACville- the play

[IceH2O]

For now, I guess I will put my vote in for BrkD. I see he hasn't been here since 2ish am this morning so I am curious to see how he reacts to the votes. I would like him to convince me that I am incorrect in my thoughts. I am open to accepting that he is a townie if I feel by his explanations, that he is.

As far as DC, I am also concerned to see what his defense would be as he is who I will probably change my vote to due to his unhelpful posts and the drunk one. The problem is, I just don't think it's a lot to go on in calling him witchy but I am watching him.

Ice, I was more so leaning Ice witchy yesterday but these posts today seem to change my mind. I don't know if it is him being helpful or him trying to lead the town away. He is a leader and knows how to direct the group. For that, I am afraid and is what makes me nervous about him.

Ice, I do have a question I would like you to clarify for me. Why is it if B is found witchy, that plant is cleared and probably innocent?

For now, I vote to burn BrkD at the stake

If Plantling was a witch having Bk vote for her put it very close to getting her lynched. If LG had switched in time plantling would be gone. I don't think they'd chance it on the 1st night if ever.

[Dangerdoll]

if LG would have moved her vote to Plant, the votes would hve been tied for Judge and Plant. I find it hard to believe that they would think LG would move her vote so close to the end of the night or any other innocent for that matter.

[IceH2O]

if LG would have moved her vote to Plant, the votes would hve been tied for Judge and Plant. I find it hard to believe that they would think LG would move her vote so close to the end of the night or any other innocent for that matter.

It was 5-4 JM over Plantling. If LG switched it would have been 5-4 Plantling over JM.

There have been many last minute changes throughout these games.

LG even posted that she was considering it.


Ice you are not helping me...are you saying you do or you don't think she is a witch? Now you are making me question myself, she was on DD pretty hard at one point though, but her not posting at all is just buggin the crap outta me. Like I said though, switching at this point does nothing but put one more vote to plant it wont change the outcome..so I should just stay where I'm at. AHHHH I feel the:screwy: ness coming on!!!!

A couple of posts later it will change the outcome. So if she felt strongly enough she could have.

[Dangerdoll]

:crazy: guess that's why I suck at math huh...

[ZSandmann]

Ice: I'm willing to accept you doubt of me for voting JM, I didn't have any better suspects and I had to vote for someone. I just haven't seen anything to suspect me of plantling other than your analysis of Rb's spells and how she is going after you. A lot of times when two players go at it like that you can think that one must be an Evil but after my experiences with Swayde and BKW (remember the mousepad) I try to no longer give myself tunnel vision like that.

Right now I believe jpappy, DD, Charlie, and Ice are Innocents. On the opposite end of the spectrum I have DC, sploke, BrkD, leaning Witch. The rest of the players aren't so clear cut. No scaled list worth showing right now, assume anyone I didn't name is a 5. I would like to say that I will follow along with everyone on Brk right now but we still have over 24 hours and it would be good to have someone else down to increase conversation.

I vote to burn at the stake DeputyChief

On the counts of drunken posting, following, and general anti-town vibes. Subject to change upon further review, all patent's pending, not valid outside the contiguous United States.

[ZSandmann]

I'm still interested in seeing who the Warlock has used a spell on.

[IceH2O]

I have DC listed as one of my top contenders. I think all the reasons have already been stated.

There seems to me to be a connection between Ice and DC. I still like Ice as a witch, so that pushes DC to witchiness as well.

As to the fourth and/or possible fifth witches. I have no idea at this point.

I vote to burn brk

Can you explain the connection of me and DC? I think it would help the town see what you see. I have no clue myself and am interested.




Ice: I'm willing to accept you doubt of me for voting JM, I didn't have any better suspects and I had to vote for someone. I just haven't seen anything to suspect me of plantling other than your analysis of Rb's spells and how she is going after you. A lot of times when two players go at it like that you can think that one must be an Evil but after my experiences with Swayde and BKW (remember the mousepad) I try to no longer give myself tunnel vision like that.

Right now I believe jpappy, DD, Charlie, and Ice are Innocents. On the opposite end of the spectrum I have DC, sploke, BrkD, leaning Witch. The rest of the players aren't so clear cut. No scaled list worth showing right now, assume anyone I didn't name is a 5. I would like to say that I will follow along with everyone on Brk right now but we still have over 24 hours and it would be good to have someone else down to increase conversation.

I vote to burn at the stake DeputyChief

On the counts of drunken posting, following, and general anti-town vibes. Subject to change upon further review, all patent's pending, not valid outside the contiguous United States.


I can accept that, I just wonder more about why you kept asking for the information when she did in fact post 2 lists.Its like you dismissed them as never being made.

[ZSandmann]

No I saw her lists but she never provided what she said "all in due time" about. At least not in so many words. If you look at my comments, I didn't think she was continuing to hide things, it was more the fact that she never addressed what she thought she had early on. I mean after reading her after death post its clear she was just busy, but when Night was approaching she didn't offer any sort of feedback. That in my experiences is not like her at all, usually if someone even brings up her name they get scathing replies back almost instantly.

[ZSandmann]

Hey Brk see ya down there. I'm very interested in how you feel about the votes on you and who you think are the Witches.

Hi JL. Hi cooldude.

[ZSandmann]

i was only speaking the truth when i posted i was in my room. it was not a metaphor for anything else

and yes i had no reason to vote for plantling except for me to stay in the game. i withdrew my vote against charlie because i just didnt think he was suspicious anymore.

as of now i dont even know where to start and who to suspect. i will read on and see what happens.

This is Brks last post, right around 20 hours ago.

I'm ok with your reasoning for taking your vote off Charlie, but your reasoning for voting plant is lame. When you removed your vote, Charlie had no chance of being burned, there were two leaders: plant and JM. You chose to vote for the lesser of the two, in effect adding nothing. Your vote was just as good on Charlie.

[IceH2O]

I'm still interested in seeing who the Warlock has used a spell on.

I'm thinking the Rb probably told them in PM they can't say.

I wouldn't risk it if it was me, after Jpap died last game for hinting he was black mailed.. Whats funny is he could have just refused to be blackmailed and died and not had an innocent die that night. Instead he killed an innocent and himself.


No I saw her lists but she never provided what she said "all in due time" about. At least not in so many words. If you look at my comments, I didn't think she was continuing to hide things, it was more the fact that she never addressed what she thought she had early on. I mean after reading her after death post its clear she was just busy, but when Night was approaching she didn't offer any sort of feedback. That in my experiences is not like her at all, usually if someone even brings up her name they get scathing replies back almost instantly.

I agree but its because her gameplay has mostly been as an evil. When she wasn't answering every post was when I was pretty sure she was innocent.

I do accept you answer and it drops you closer to mid pack.

Ogres last post doesn't make sense to me so he moves up, guess he could take your place on the list,especially since I'm pretty sure I have to many people on it.

[ZSandmann]

My vote was a first day vote. I distinctly remember saying that I hadn't found anyone that screamed suspicious through the day. JM caught my attention as well as many others. I'm not sure what else to say on that subject. I play the same way every game and everyone pegs me as guilty, I must have learned my playing style from Coler. :-p I guess just because I don't play like everyone else it means I'm automatically guilty...

Dc's last post. How did she catch your attention? You do have a consistent play style, I'll give you that. I never label anyone automatically guilty, that's a close minded way to play the game. I don't understand why the high posters are always targeted first, I guess it is subliminal as you see their names more often as you read the thread.


I just got home from footbalsal and drank a whisdle lot...I was trying to ply but resalized that at this point read isn't one f my specialties...Jon wcvill be backsf in the morning...He wilsl answer then...

Here is the drunken post. Mistyped words are bolded. If I were drunk and posting I would fat finger the keys but these words don't look like that if you study the key placement. Also, he refers to himself by his real name. What I notice is that there are just a few extra letters added or a few letters deleted from words. At a glance it looks garbled but it isn't at all.

The Red Sox took House's time slot. Hisssssssssss!!!

[ZSandmann]

I'm thinking the Rb probably told them in PM they can't say.

I wouldn't risk it if it was me, after Jpap died last game for hinting he was black mailed.. Whats funny is he could have just refused to be blackmailed and died and not had an innocent die that night. Instead he killed an innocent and himself.

I agree but its because her gameplay has mostly been as an evil. When she wasn't answering every post was when I was pretty sure she was innocent.

I do accept you answer and it drops you closer to mid pack.

Ogres last post doesn't make sense to me so he moves up, guess he could take your place on the list,especially since I'm pretty sure I have to many people on it.

True, but it doesn't say in the rules it is verboten. Obviously if the switch spell is used they are not going to say, but the no vote spell is easy enough to verify so it doesn't really matter if it is divulged, just a nugget of info I would like to have.

To be fair I don't remember everyone's roles from game to game, I believe when you say she has been Evil the majority, I barely remember my roles :huh:

Ogre: I haven't really solidified my opinion yet. I find myself agreeing with his posts at times, but he is being very mellow, trying not to cause a stir. Works for Witches, PRs, and Innocents that want to keep playing. Lord knows every game I say I'm going to post less but it never comes to fruition.

[ZSandmann]

Kind of surprised at the lack of voting being half way through a day. Last thing we need are untimely deaths, remember you can vote No One now, but I don't recommend it. I personally wish it was removed as a viable option completely.

5/13 Votes
4-BrkD: Charlie (406) jpappy (465) Ogre (495) DD (500)
1-DeputyChief: ZSandmann (505)

[plantling]

I still feel as though Plantling might be witch but the posts aren't as harsh as I thought on JM. Could just be that she is on my *** so hard.



Ice, I don't think I was quite as harsh on her as she was on me. My post to her about not using the words "you people" were well intentioned, but she basically implied I wasn't smart enough if I didn't understand what she meant. I dropped it because I didn't want to argue, though Swayde agreed w/me about how those words could be misconstrued. And you claim I was on your *** so hard, but you're the one who rallied votes my way. However, I'm willing to drop it for the time being as you have seemed more and more helpful to the town.

[jpappy789]

I'm thinking the Rb probably told them in PM they can't say.

I wouldn't risk it if it was me, after Jpap died last game for hinting he was black mailed.. Whats funny is he could have just refused to be blackmailed and died and not had an innocent die that night. Instead he killed an innocent and himself.


Hey leave last game out of this.:silly:

I actually pmed ogre asking if I could hint at being blackmailed and he never responded so I decided to do it anyways because it would clear Chas and I was afraid he was a pr and I knew I wasn't so it didn't really matter if I died. But nobody listened, especially the mafia so it was kind of worth it...I was just as surprised as everyone else when I was killed because I never actually said "I was blackmailed"...guess that shows how lax our rules are...

anyways

I too am surprised at the lack of participation from some people, mostly DC, KOTD and Brkd, though it kind of is expected...three people who aren't really on anyones good side right now.

[plantling]

Rule #1- don't say "darn it I'm innocent!"

Rule #2- don't vote without reasons, especially late in the day


that was to Brkd for the random vote on plant


crap... then i guess i will have to be eliminated..


:eek:

oh is this a "crap I screwed up big time, I guess I admit to being a witch..."???


nah uh.. i just screwed up. sorry guys.
Rereading through the scenerio last night, I am inclined to believe BrkD was just a bit confused. He seemed to believe he'd messed up by voting without posting a reason and to me, the "sorry guys" was to the town for messing up. So perhaps I'm being snowed by a newbie, but I'm not inclined to vote for him at this moment.

I always have a hard time reading KOTD, but from memory, he did tend to post less and cast throw away votes when he was evil. So perhaps this will draw him out of hiding: I vote to burn KOTD at the stake.

[jpappy789]

Rereading through the scenerio last night, I am inclined to believe BrkD was just a bit confused. He seemed to believe he'd messed up by voting without posting a reason and to me, the "sorry guys" was to the town for messing up. So perhaps I'm being snowed by a newbie, but I'm not inclined to vote for him at this moment.

I always have a hard time reading KOTD, but from memory, he did tend to post less and cast throw away votes when he was evil. So perhaps this will draw him out of hiding: I vote to burn KOTD at the stake.

The only thing I don't like about this is that he didn't check back at the actual rules. But I still do not like the plant vote and the silence today so my vote will stay. But DC is my next suspect.

[plantling]

Hey leave last game out of this.:silly:

I actually pmed ogre asking if I could hint at being blackmailed and he never responded so I decided to do it anyways because it would clear Chas and I was afraid he was a pr and I knew I wasn't so it didn't really matter if I died. But nobody listened, especially the mafia so it was kind of worth it...I was just as surprised as everyone else when I was killed because I never actually said "I was blackmailed"...guess that shows how lax our rules are...

anyways

I too am surprised at the lack of participation from some people, mostly DC, KOTD and Brkd, though it kind of is expected...three people who aren't really on anyones good side right now.
I thought the rules were that Jp's final vote had to match whatever the Don wanted at the end of the day. I only doubted you and Chaz for a few minutes there Jp. We won anyway thanks in part to your deaths.

[plantling]

The only thing I don't like about this is that he didn't check back at the actual rules. But I still do not like the plant vote and the silence today so my vote will stay. But DC is my next suspect.
I really didn't like B's vote for me either, but he seemed to apologize for it so I'm gonna let it be.

DC is another confusing read. When I played New Mafia w/him he did seem to talk about drinking a lot. Z's analysis of his drunken post was interesting but I've never been drunk on a keyboard, so I wouldnt' know.

[DeputyChiefJR]

I get an awful feeling the town is being pulled in the wrong direction, but everyone's branded me guilty already. There's certain people I think are innocent but there's a couple it think just appear so...I'm gonna read through posts now...

[Swayde]

I get an awful feeling the town is being pulled in the wrong direction, but everyone's branded me guilty already. There's certain people I think are innocent but there's a couple it think just appear so...I'm gonna read through posts now...


Please do. I am very curious to see what you have to say because I am highly unsure of you right now, but if I had to vote at this moment it would most likely be for you, DC.

I think there were too many votes piled up on BrkD, way too early and that makes me very uncomfortable.

[Sploke]

I agree swayde, I'm still really feeling it was a newbie/confusion issue over waiting for direction from someone. I have lots of leaning innocent, but not as many leaning guilty, and i'm far fuzzier there anyway...not a good sign for the time being. Based on Ice's analysis, I guess plantling has moved over toward the innocent side for me right now, after the voting last night. That alsl fits in with B being innocent. I also (obviously) want to believe in Ice, but he;s good so I'm hesitant to go off in that direction just yet. Bluerat I also think is making newbie errors without realizing how lightly you have to step on the eggshells before someone hangs/stakes/burns you for cracking a few. Thats it for now, I have to head to bed. We shall see what the morning brings.

[BrkD]

i dont like this. being lenient towards newbs is not fair towards other players. lets play equally. if you doubt me then dont hesitate to vote for me just because im a newb at this game.

i dont have evidence as to why i changed my vote to plantling other then i was being indecisive. i dont know why but i still get an uneasy feeling from charlie.

[bluerat]

I just got home from footbalsal and drank a whisdle lot...I was trying to ply but resalized that at this point read isn't one f my specialties...Jon wcvill be backsf in the morning...He wilsl answer then...


so Z you're thinking that he's using this as a deflective posting then?

[IceH2O]

I agree swayde, I'm still really feeling it was a newbie/confusion issue over waiting for direction from someone. I have lots of leaning innocent, but not as many leaning guilty, and i'm far fuzzier there anyway...not a good sign for the time being. Based on Ice's analysis, I guess plantling has moved over toward the innocent side for me right now, after the voting last night. That alsl fits in with B being innocent. I also (obviously) want to believe in Ice, but he;s good so I'm hesitant to go off in that direction just yet. Bluerat I also think is making newbie errors without realizing how lightly you have to step on the eggshells before someone hangs/stakes/burns you for cracking a few. Thats it for now, I have to head to bed. We shall see what the morning brings.

Could you explain this a little better Sploke?

You don't trust me but believe my analysis? Shouldn't they go hand in hand?

[IceH2O]

i dont like this. being lenient towards newbs is not fair towards other players. lets play equally. if you doubt me then dont hesitate to vote for me just because im a newb at this game.

i dont have evidence as to why i changed my vote to plantling other then i was being indecisive. i dont know why but i still get an uneasy feeling from charlie.

How about your own list of suspects?

Name off 5 you think could be witches or rate all 13 of us on a scale of 1-10 , 10 being innocent to 1 witch.

That would help us decide immensely.

Same with you Blue rat.

[charlie_stubbs]

I have DC listed as one of my top contenders. I think all the reasons have already been stated.

There seems to me to be a connection between Ice and DC. I still like Ice as a witch, so that pushes DC to witchiness as well.

As to the fourth and/or possible fifth witches. I have no idea at this point.

I vote to burn brk
I didn't want to sound stupid, so i re-read the thread looking only for a connection between DC and Ice when you posted this.

I had to, as i had DC rated very witchy and Ice leaning innocent. I thought to myself, "What have I missed? Am I that blind?"

Maybe I am stupid. I still don't see a connection. Please explain it to me, as you would to a six year old.

[charlie_stubbs]

i dont like this. being lenient towards newbs is not fair towards other players. lets play equally. if you doubt me then dont hesitate to vote for me just because im a newb at this game.

i dont have evidence as to why i changed my vote to plantling other then i was being indecisive. i dont know why but i still get an uneasy feeling from charlie.
Ok, let me get this straight. You start with a vote for me.

Just before night falls, you move your vote from me, because you say I'm not suspicious, to Plant but you don't say why.

Today, instead of a list of suspects, you say you're uneasy about the only person I know is innocent. Me. The person you didn't want vote for not so long ago. Thats not helping me trust you.

Brk are you beating on any other doors??? Turning over any other stones??? If you think I'm a scumbag who do you think are my accomplices, my wart nosed friend?

[charlie_stubbs]

I get an awful feeling the town is being pulled in the wrong direction, but everyone's branded me guilty already. There's certain people I think are innocent but there's a couple it think just appear so...I'm gonna read through posts now...
Uh huh. Here's a classic mafia move....DC i was hoping from a list from you, my warty friend. Instead I get this. Going to read the posts are you??? I thought reading "wassntl yyoure sspceciallty"

[charlie_stubbs]

Charlie the chicken choker has a dream. A dream of a witch free ACville. A dream of a place where Charlie might one day marry his beloved Dangerdoll, start his own chicken farm, and godwilling, one day maybe raise little chicken chokers of his own. Trying to get rid of all the witches will be difficult. "Like making chicken soup out of chicken****", he thinks aloud. These are odds Charlie is used to.

[Sploke]

Could you explain this a little better Sploke?

You don't trust me but believe my analysis? Shouldn't they go hand in hand?

Well a good base analysis of a situation can be helpful regardless of what side you're playing...the facts are easily verifiable, so the things you say obviously make some sense. However, I've been led astray before by immediately thinking that anyone who posts useful info for the town must obviously be innocent...the guilty folks also try hard to blend in by making useful observations, so based on that, while I appreciate your analysis, right now its not enough to make me jump up and down in town square saying "Ice is innocent!!"

[Swayde]

I vote to burn DC at the stake. I expected to have heard back from him by now after his last post last night. He's the strongest suspect I have, which I admit isn't as strong as I'd normally like to vote on someone.

[ZSandmann]

i dont like this. being lenient towards newbs is not fair towards other players. lets play equally. if you doubt me then dont hesitate to vote for me just because im a newb at this game.

i dont have evidence as to why i changed my vote to plantling other then i was being indecisive. i dont know why but i still get an uneasy feeling from charlie.
Being lenient is one thing, being cautious is another. If either you or bluerat play future games it is good to see what you play style is. I do doubt you, but there are others I doubt more. Since I can only vote for one person a Day, I have chosen to vote for someone else. No one is asking for evidence as to why you changed your vote, it was Day 1, but you must of had a reason, an idea, or a feeling. You are quite an enigma it seems.

so Z you're thinking that he's using this as a deflective posting then?
Yes that was what I thought. I was just comparing finger placement to the misspelled words. I've chatted before when under the influence and I find my fingers hit the wrong keys, but the spelling errors in that post were added cluster letters. If you look back you see he hits "as" and "cv" a lot.

I get an awful feeling the town is being pulled in the wrong direction, but everyone's branded me guilty already. There's certain people I think are innocent but there's a couple it think just appear so...I'm gonna read through posts now...
Totally possible. I think we are not putting enough pressure on the low posters. If you don't want to be branded give us some input, a list, some suspicions, a hunch. The last sentence sounds hopeful, expand that, who do you think is Innocent, who only appears so?

[OgreMkV]

After reviewing things. Apparently the connection between Ice and DC was in my own mind and just based on the fact that I thought them both witches.

Sorry.

That being said, I'm willing to leave off brk and switch to DC. It appears that a brk vote will be wasted and as long as I switch to someone else I believe to be a witch, then I'll be satisfied.

I retract my vote for brk and vote to burn DC at the stake.

P.S. I haven't been around as much as I could be, other things are going on at home, but I'm getting a little free time at work, so that's why my posting schedule seems off.

[DeputyChiefJR]

So far my beliefs are

Innocent:
DD
Swayde
plantling

Possible innocents:
ZSand
Sploke
The newbs

Get a Bad Feeling about:
Jpap
Ice
CS

Very little vibe:
KOTD
Ogre

[ZSandmann]

Thank you for posting that DC. What bothers me is that my Witch list is very different from yours but we share many of the same Presumed Innocents. I have to say that I am still very suspect of you, I think you are hiding something.

Here is what my list look like right now.

Witchy - 1
Deputy Chief - 3
sploke - 4
BrkD - 4
King - 4
bluerat - 5
Ogre - 5
plantling - 5
DangerDoll - 6
Charlie - 6
Ice - 7
Swayde - 7
jpappy - 8
Townie - 10

[Swayde]

After reviewing things. Apparently the connection between Ice and DC was in my own mind and just based on the fact that I thought them both witches.

Sorry.

That being said, I'm willing to leave off brk and switch to DC. It appears that a brk vote will be wasted and as long as I switch to someone else I believe to be a witch, then I'll be satisfied.

I retract my vote for brk and vote to burn DC at the stake.

P.S. I haven't been around as much as I could be, other things are going on at home, but I'm getting a little free time at work, so that's why my posting schedule seems off.


This does not make a lot of sense. BrkD was still leading votes and now you just tied DC up with him...how would your vote have been wasted when your voting on the person leading in votes, especially if you do believe him/her to be a witch? Ogre, this worries me, I am very close to switching off DC and voting you because of this.

[Swayde]

Actually I will switch my vote. I don't like that post at all Ogre.

I retract my vote from DC and vote to burn Ogre at the stake.

[DeputyChiefJR]

I'm beginning to wonder about Ogre as well since he kind of nochalantly jut throws things out whether they're based on truth or not. Then when called on them it's no big deal if he's wrong.

I vote to burn Ogre

[DeputyChiefJR]

Thank you for posting that DC. What bothers me is that my Witch list is very different from yours but we share many of the same Presumed Innocents. I have to say that I am still very suspect of you, I think you are hiding something.

Here is what my list look like right now.

Witchy - 1
Deputy Chief - 3
sploke - 4
BrkD - 4
King - 4
bluerat - 5
Ogre - 5
plantling - 5
DangerDoll - 6
Charlie - 6
Ice - 7
Swayde - 7
jpappy - 8
Townie - 10

ZSand, don't fall into old habits....

[ZSandmann]

ZSand, don't fall into old habits....

:confused: Oh great DC. I think I understand what that means, time to reread posts.

Swayde I believe you are an Innocent, and Ogre has given me pause, but as I've said I have agreed with him as well. And I'm still not sold enough on Brk to place a vote there.

I retract my vote from DC.

Maybe at lunch time I can figure something out. Just so you know DC, I'm not clearing you, you still give me the Witchy Itchy.

[Swayde]

:confused: Oh great DC. I think I understand what that means, time to reread posts.

Swayde I believe you are an Innocent, and Ogre has given me pause, but as I've said I have agreed with him as well. And I'm still not sold enough on Brk to place a vote there.

I retract my vote from DC.

Maybe at lunch time I can figure something out. Just so you know DC, I'm not clearing you, you still give me the Witchy Itchy.


I don't trust DC at all, however, I really didn't like that post Ogre made, it doesn't seem very logical, and Ogre usually strikes me as a very logical person.

[ZSandmann]

That is how I feel. I don't trust DC... well no point in trying to hide it because everyone can interpret it. He is implying he is a PR. Ahhh! No, that's too easy a way to get out of a jam.

I vote to burn at the stake DC.

Ogre's list has been DC, Ice, and BrkD for a few days now. I don't understand the comment about his vote not counting on BrkD though, it very much was counting as BrkD was the leader.

[ZSandmann]

Votes:

BrkD: charlie, jpappy, Ogre, DD
DC: ZSandmann, swayde, Ogre, ZSandmann
King: plantling
Ogre: Swayde, DC

I don't like the way DC dove on Ogre as soon as you mentioned him either.

[Swayde]

Votes:

BrkD: charlie, jpappy, Ogre, DD
DC: ZSandmann, swayde, Ogre, ZSandmann
King: plantling
Ogre: Swayde, DC

I don't like the way DC dove on Ogre as soon as you mentioned him either.


I don't like it either. But if he was innocent then I could understand it.

[ZSandmann]

That's what I don't like about it.

I also don't like that there are 9 hours till Night and only half the Town has voted.

[DeputyChiefJR]

Ok, I don't like my hand being forced...I'm the herbalist...If you guys give me another day I'll protect myself tonight and keep telling what I know...So far, Swayde has been investigated and she's innocent, that's why I jumped on with her...I didn't protect anyone the first night because we wanted to save protects for people we knew were good and Lady didn't give a strong enough vibe...We were going to protect someone else anyway if anyone.

[DeputyChiefJR]

I have to go to work in a few and won't be on until about 10 pm.

[ZSandmann]

Dang it. I remove my vote for DC

I vote to lynch Ogre

Thinking about this. DC I don't think you should of come out if you are indeed the Herbalist.

[DeputyChiefJR]

I wasn't going to be able to stop the train that was going to start up thoughout the day. And this way at least I can be around for another day and let you know who gets investigated tonight. If I got burned at the stake no one was going to know anything except that I was the herbalist anyway.

[Swayde]

I wasn't going to be able to stop the train that was going to start up thoughout the day. And this way at least I can be around for another day and let you know who gets investigated tonight. If I got burned at the stake no one was going to know anything except that I was the herbalist anyway.

You only had 2 votes on you. BrkD had more, and Ogre was tied with you...

If you truly are the Herbalist, you really tipped your hand way too soon. You don't even have a witch for us to take out =/

:jaw:

[ZSandmann]

Looked to me like Brk was going to be the pick, but I respect your choice if you are the Herbalist, I still have doubts but will wait and see if anyone else decides to claim it as well. The fact you say Swayde was who was investigated bothers me though, as she and I are the only two others on right now. I do think she is Innocent however. You've given me a great deal to think about for sure.

If you are still around I would like to ask in particular why you think jpappy is a Witch. He has seemed very helpful and honest to me.

[ZSandmann]

lol Swayde you posted while I was composing my thoughts and asked the same question. :D

[plantling]

OMG! It's way too early to come out, DC. I think I believe you, but what now?

I have to go fix lunch in a bit. Anyone w/any suggestions?

[ZSandmann]

No plantling I've got nothing. I'm rereading DCs past post and trying to look at his list. Wish he had some time to answer questions as I'm sure when everyone gets on and sees this there are going to be a lot of them.

[plantling]

Well I know it's up to DC and maybe popular vote in the end, but I was just thinking that since we are not sure of Ogre or Brk and they both have votes on them then one of them should be investigated.

[Sploke]

I vote to burn jpappy.

something about him this game is really tweaking my radar. I know you guys keep saying "oh, he's so helpful" blah blah blah. Guilty people have to try and seem helpful, thats kind of how the game works. And at this point, its only "alleged" help, we can't actually confirm any of the identities of the 90% or so of the people in this game he's jumped on.

[Sploke]

I would too though I kind of want to see everyones suspects.

I will start with a numbered list:

Brkd-3
DC-3
sploke-4
ogre-5
KOTD-5
Ice-5
plant-5
Chas-5
bluerat- 5
ZS-6
sway-6
DD-7

Not a whole lot of help because a lot of people are 5's after only one night but its a start

Party because, with the exception of Ogre, his top guilty suspects are my top innocents.

[Sploke]

And yes i know that list is from the first day.

[Sploke]

Actually no, his list is from yesterday, but the same day/night cycle gamewise. And, he hasn't posted anything in here since about 10pm last night, which was a post about people being too silent. Is he in school?

[jpappy789]

I agree swayde, I'm still really feeling it was a newbie/confusion issue over waiting for direction from someone. I have lots of leaning innocent, but not as many leaning guilty, and i'm far fuzzier there anyway...not a good sign for the time being. Based on Ice's analysis, I guess plantling has moved over toward the innocent side for me right now, after the voting last night. That alsl fits in with B being innocent. I also (obviously) want to believe in Ice, but he;s good so I'm hesitant to go off in that direction just yet. Bluerat I also think is making newbie errors without realizing how lightly you have to step on the eggshells before someone hangs/stakes/burns you for cracking a few. Thats it for now, I have to head to bed. We shall see what the morning brings.


I voted for plantling mostly based on Ice's analysis of the clues. For a first day vote, it seemed to be as good a decision as any.

As far as rb's clues go, the first one could have been as simple as saying, hey maybe we'll actually get a bad guy on the first night, since it hasn't happened yet in any game I've played.

Jpappy seems really eager to jump at people given the slightest chance or provocation, which is making me nervous.

I'm not seeing anything strange from Bluerat, I've talked to her a good deal in chat and yes, she is always a bit hard to understand. I think its more the typing style than anything else, i.e. rather poor grammar and almost a complete lack of punctuation. Thus, it comes off as cryptic where its more likely lazy chat speak.

Sploke is really jumping out at me. He has gone back and forth on plantling based only on Ice's analysis of her. Is he trying to latch on to an innocent? Why no thoughts of your own splokey???

I agree that I don't like DC coming out as the herbalist. It seems like he threw that out there too quickly when people began questioning him. Especially when he said specifically why he wouldn't protect Lady g. I don't think anyone questioned why the herbalist didn't save her, but thats just an opinion. Also, the investigation of swayde is weak. Either the team doesn't really know what to do or he threw out swaydes name because nobody was questioning her and her innocence would seem likely. I can't trust him yet...

My vote will probably fall off of Brks as is was a rushed vote but I don't have a really strong suspect yet.

[jpappy789]

Party because, with the exception of Ogre, his top guilty suspects are my top innocents.

Sploke, my top suspects included Brkd, who is becoming less suspicious, DC who was and maybe is a top candidate for lynching depending on what progresses today and you. The rest are 5's or just leaning innocent. Hardly a reason to vote for someone.

And I was taking the psat this morning so again lame reasoning. My suspcious of you are getting stronger sploke.

I also find it interesting that you have yet to make a list yourself. The most I have seen is you throw a few names out there but you keep saying you have a lot of people leaning innocent...

I retract my vote for Brks and vote to burn Sploke at the stake

[OgreMkV]

I retract my vote from DC and vote to burn brk.

I thought that brk had only two votes. It's obvious I haven't been keeping up and I apologize.

I'm not quitting, but I'm probably not going to be very useful this game. Unless something is glaring obvious to me while I'm reading, I probably won't get much.

With DC being the herbalist, that kind of limits my suspect list to Ice and brk.

DCs revelation makes it more likely to me that Ice is a witch. Because it is much less likely that he is a power role. I guess he could still be innocent, but I'm leaning witchy for him.

[Sploke]

I didn't like DC coming out either, but I've noticed from previous games that he gets fairly jumpy when a few people start tossing his name about, especially only a few hours from nightfall. I've seen it with him playing both good and evil, so its no surprise (to me anyway) that he felt forced to come out to save himself. Not saying it was the right time, but it was from his perspective.

Jpappy...you say that me not agreeing with your list is not enough reason to vote someone? If you are a witch (which I think you are), then you know exactly who are not witches...i.e. me, DC (apparently), B the newbie who's easy to make a case for, and possibly K who's always quiet so no one every knows whats going on with him. Throw in a fellow witch who's name has come up a few times (Ogre) and you have yourself a viable list thats easy to sell to the masses. Well, this villager is not buying.

[jpappy789]

Sploke I did not say because you don't agree with me that makes you a witch, in fact it seems like that is why you think I am a witch because my top suspects were your supposed innocents. Funny how nobody knows who they are except you because you have yet to put out a list.

And ogre and KOTD are 5's on that list. I still don't know what exactly to think of them yet.

[Sploke]

Well I figured you'd be able to figure it out from my posts but I'll say it explicitly, I'll even rate everyone. (10=good, 1=evil)

lady 10 - confirmed
judge 10 - confirmed
sploke 10 (me)
swayde 10 - confirmed by DC (going with this until someone can prove otherwise)
deputy - 10 (see above)
BrkD - 8
bluerat - 7
zsand - 6
DD - 6
ice - 6
kotd - 5
plant - 5
ogre - 4
charlie - 4
jpap - 3

So obviously I'm not 100% sure on the guilty side, but the bottom half is basically what I was left with after picking out who I think is actually innocent.

[jpappy789]

Sounds kinds witchy to have others guess where you stand on people. Not really taking a side, just agreeing with other people and throwing some names out there...


Well I figured you'd be able to figure it out from my posts but I'll say it explicitly, I'll even rate everyone. (10=good, 1=evil)

lady 10 - confirmed
judge 10 - confirmed
sploke 10 (me)
swayde 10 - confirmed by DC (going with this until someone can prove otherwise)
deputy - 10 (see above)
BrkD - 8
bluerat - 7
zsand - 6
DD - 6
ice - 6
kotd - 5
plant - 5
ogre - 4
charlie - 4
jpap - 3

So obviously I'm not 100% sure on the guilty side, but the bottom half is basically what I was left with after picking out who I think is actually innocent.

So my guess is that you think plant and kotd are pretty suspicious seeing as they are 5's...at least that is what you thought with my list.

Interesting how my exact two top suspects from that list yesterday are your top innocents...I really thought you were just exagerating that but seems like you needed to make your false statements appear to be true.

[Sploke]

Dude I don't know what your deal is...I said it before, and I reiterated it. It adds up because its what I really think, not because its some elaborate plan that I'm making up as I go along. Why are you surprised when I said "your guilties are my innocents" and my list actually states that?

[jpappy789]

Dude I don't know what your deal is...I said it before, and I reiterated it. It adds up because its what I really think, not because its some elaborate plan that I'm making up as I go along. Why are you surprised when I said "your guilties are my innocents" and my list actually states that?

Because if you said otherwise you would look even more like a witch than you already do. I doubt you would have put out a list unless I or someone else actually asked you.

[Sploke]

Alright, well I don't know what else to tell you...that my story and I'm stickin' to it.

[Dangerdoll]

Ok, I don't like my hand being forced...I'm the herbalist...If you guys give me another day I'll protect myself tonight and keep telling what I know...So far, Swayde has been investigated and she's innocent, that's why I jumped on with her...I didn't protect anyone the first night because we wanted to save protects for people we knew were good and Lady didn't give a strong enough vibe...We were going to protect someone else anyway if anyone.

DC, this is so early in the game for this. Do you realize what you may have done? You may protect yourself for tonight but that is it. You have left yourself so vulnerable too early in the game. You only have one more day of investigation to let us know if someone is witchy or innocent and that's it.... if the Witches take you out when they can.... which can be as soon as tomorrow.

You are the town’s Herbalist. You have a weak potion and it has limited duration so it cannot be used on the same person more than once. At the onset of night, you may protect one person with it and it will save them from being affected by a spell cast by the witches. You may communicate with the Prophet.

[Sploke]

Based on those rules DD, the herbalist doesn't do the investigations, the prophet does. It will suck if the witches get DC (which I don't see how they won't on the next cycle) but the investigations will still get done. He just won't be able to help convey the results to us.

[jpappy789]

I have been thinking that this might be a good ploy for the witches. One comes out as the herbalist, one who is under some pressure, clears their name and pretends to be the herbalist. If the real one is well, "stupid" enough to come out they have them. If not, well they can lead us astray, maybe naming on of their own as an innocent or just naming someone noboody suspects anyways, while the real prophet/herbalist team can't do anything but be silent else they give themselves away to the witches. They then "protect" themself tonight while their teammates take out an innocent and we possibly lynch another innocent. The "herbalist" then comes and names another person, possibly an innocent as a witch. The town would suspect the herbalist would be killed the next night because they cannot protect themselves again but we would end up losing another townie that night for sure if they named an innocent as a witch. The witches would not kill their own so we would waste a nights lynching on someone we could have killed a night earlier.

It's complicated, purely hypothetical, and too much like a conspiracy but its something to think about.

[ZSandmann]

Wow that was quite a heated exchange there pappy and sploke.

Where are our missing Townies? Five hours till Night and no votes from King, Ice, bluerat, or BrkD.

3-BrkD: charlie, jpappy, Ogre, DD, Ogre
3-Ogre: Swayde, DC, ZSandmann
1-King: plantling
1-jpappy: sploke
1-sploke: jpappy
DC: ZSandmann, Swayde, Ogre, ZSandmann

[Sploke]

heh...I get frustrated when everything out of my mouth is answered with "yeah thats exactly what you would say if you were making it up"

[ZSandmann]

Ice always votes early. I'm assuming the Warlock used a spell on him. But the other three need to step up.

[Dangerdoll]

Based on those rules DD, the herbalist doesn't do the investigations, the prophet does. It will suck if the witches get DC (which I don't see how they won't on the next cycle) but the investigations will still get done. He just won't be able to help convey the results to us.

I understand that sploke but that really makes no difference. The thing I was getting at, maybe I conveyed it wrong, is that he cannot tell us who is Witchy for possibly more than tomorrow. Yes, the investigations will get done but if he (as the herbalist) is taken out, how will we know who is investigated.... other than whoever the prophet is being good at getting it out and understood which is never fully guaranteed.

[Sploke]

Well, thats all we're left with, hopefully some subtle directives. But, its better than not getting the investigations at all.

[bluerat]

I retract my vote from DC and vote to burn brk.

I thought that brk had only two votes. It's obvious I haven't been keeping up and I apologize.

I'm not quitting, but I'm probably not going to be very useful this game. Unless something is glaring obvious to me while I'm reading, I probably won't get much.

With DC being the herbalist, that kind of limits my suspect list to Ice and brk.

DCs revelation makes it more likely to me that Ice is a witch. Because it is much less likely that he is a power role. I guess he could still be innocent, but I'm leaning witchy for him.


im beginning to wonder if you might be more than you seem. i for a newbie at this is bound to be a little confused , as i never played before but your lack of opinions is bothering even me. the only one you have really jumped on was ice and he was trying to help all with his postings so on this
i vote burn ogre

[jpappy789]

Ice always votes early. I'm assuming the Warlock used a spell on him. But the other three need to step up.

Yeah, weird that he has no vote right now.

[bluerat]

Whatever, I'm defensive. What about your post? That sounds pretty defensive to me. Pot calling the kettle black... I am assuming you're still using a black cauldron there witch-boy. Haven't switched over to Calaphon?



If you aren't confident enough to vote on of the five on your list, then why even bring it up?.... oh, right, it was a trap. Good call. As I recall, whne I said that two games ago, you didn't take it so well. In fact, you wanted to lynch me. So now, I return the favor.

I vote to burn Ice on a stake, at noon, on the summer solstice. Because that's what my 'Little Book of Witch Hunting' says to do!


BTW: At this time, my top three for the coven are Ice, Br, and Deputy Chief.

DC is because Br thinks him innocent for no reason. He obviously knows who he is. Ice because he's defending Br.




Also, LadyG, I'm not sure I see the whole plantling thing.
see what i mean
had to do it in 2 posts
have not figured out how to do multiples

[jpappy789]

ok so just brkd and kotd need votes now...wonder where they are? maybe another late vote from brkd??? and kings silence is troubling, he put a vote in yesterday with little thought or reason then disappears. seems like he was just trying to pick up on the slightest chance of suspicion and just throw a vote out to survive the day...hmmm...

[jpappy789]

so with that ogre is leading the votes...interesting turn around today. I think he is suspicious and I agree that he hasn't really been helping a whole lot, even the posts he have don't seem like much reasoning but I don't feel entirely comfortable with a vote on him to be honest...

[OgreMkV]

Since I'll probably miss the finale tonight. Here's my final list...

DC, suggest that the investigator check out Ice tonight and tell you the results. That way, you can everyone tomorrow. You also don't have to tell us who you protect, so you MIGHT be able to get away with the switch-a-roo. The witches might waste a vote on you if you are being protected and they might not.

I know that statement looks fishy as all heck, but when you see that I'm innocent, you'll know I'm trying to help in whatever way I can.

brk is still my prime suspect for a witch. I'm also comfortable with Ice being a witch, hence the suggestion for an investigation.

If Ice is innocent, then look REAL hard at Z.

The witches are having a super easy time of it this round. There's not a lot of real useful discussion (partially my fault), there are two newbies to hide behind, and the town (meaning me) seems to have screwed the pooch by forcing DC to come out.

BTW: I wouldn't worry too much about the people voting for me. I've made myself an easy target. Sorry guys, my heart just isn't in this one.

[ZSandmann]

Since I'll probably miss the finale tonight. Here's my final list...

DC, suggest that the investigator check out Ice tonight and tell you the results. That way, you can everyone tomorrow. You also don't have to tell us who you protect, so you MIGHT be able to get away with the switch-a-roo. The witches might waste a vote on you if you are being protected and they might not.

I know that statement looks fishy as all heck, but when you see that I'm innocent, you'll know I'm trying to help in whatever way I can.

brk is still my prime suspect for a witch. I'm also comfortable with Ice being a witch, hence the suggestion for an investigation.

If Ice is innocent, then look REAL hard at Z.

The witches are having a super easy time of it this round. There's not a lot of real useful discussion (partially my fault), there are two newbies to hide behind, and the town (meaning me) seems to have screwed the pooch by forcing DC to come out.

BTW: I wouldn't worry too much about the people voting for me. I've made myself an easy target. Sorry guys, my heart just isn't in this one.

Why am I a Witch if Ice is Innocent?

I don't think Brk is a Witch. The presumed Herbalist, and a presumed Innocent are both voting for you. That's a strong case for me. You openly admit you aren't trying hard enough this round. I think we'll get the witches and I think it starts tonight with you.

[jpappy789]

Zs, that statement about following two presumed innocents is concerning. I may just be stubborn but I would rather not follow people unless I knew 100% that they are innocent. Somehow not a great case to vote for someone imo...

[OgreMkV]

I didn't say you were a witch. I said to look real hard at you.

In summary, I think your posts are trying very hard to be the same as always, but they are not quite the same as other games. It's a very subtle thing and I may be wrong. But Sway is innocent, DC, is innocent, LadyG, and JMax were innocent. I'm innocent, that's 5 right there. There's a 50/50 shot for everyone else. It's down to the very subtle clues.

You are wrong, but that's OK.

[ZSandmann]

pappy that isn't my only reasons for Ogre, it was just a point I was making to him. He has admitted to what amounts to skimming by not knowing how many votes were on Brk. He admits to not being involved in the game. He isn't being aggressive like he normally is either. I normally hold a lot of weight to what he says when I think he is Innocent.

:( Ogre you're freaking me out man.

I'd like to hear from Swayde. I do trust her as much as I can with no proof. DC I am wanting to believe is legit regardless of how silly it was to come out with 2 votes on him. This is a difficult premise. I still see all my evidence for him being a Witch and it still holds up. I really just don't want another JM moment like Night 1.

[charlie_stubbs]

All hail the herbalist.

DC, if you are the herbalist, you should not have paniced so soon, but i know how you feel, i was forced out when i was detective. Since you don't have a scumbag to give me as proof, i will take what you say with a grain of salt.

Brk is still my prime suspect.

[Swayde]

I don't know what to think. I still don't like Ogre's post he made earlier because it was just not logical. He's been very off this game and I am just not sure if this last minute pleading of his innocence is sincere or not.

I don't know if DC is legit or not. Coming out because you have 2 votes on you and are worried of being burned, just doesn't seem very likely, but I've been in his shoes before and I know how nerve wracking it was. I at least had helped lynch a werewolf and had investigated another, but I can't know what's going thru DC's mind. I am innocent, but any witch would know that as well as an investigator. I can't figure out why on earth someone would have investigated me over Ice, Z, Ogre, DD, Jpap...all of whom I believe are harder to read than I am.

When Ogre was Sheriff and I was Doctor we had both agreed right off the bat that if someone came out and claimed to be the Doctor to just let it play out and bite our tongues. So that leaves me to wonder if this is legit or not as well.

There are way too many people being silent at this point. It's making it very, very difficult to judge alignments. I know my game play has been off this round, I just can't quite seem to get any real strong feelings or anything. So I am going with the only thing I've really seen that worries me, and that is Ogre. I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I really hope it's not wrong.

I don't ask for anyone to agree with me, vote with, or trust me since I don't even trust DC. I ask for everyone to read the posts, and decide on your own who you feel is most likely to be a witch and vote for them. And talk...please post so maybe we can shed some light on the lurkers in the shadow and make them slip up.

[plantling]

ok so just brkd and kotd need votes now...wonder where they are? maybe another late vote from brkd??? and kings silence is troubling, he put a vote in yesterday with little thought or reason then disappears. seems like he was just trying to pick up on the slightest chance of suspicion and just throw a vote out to survive the day...hmmm...
That's why I have my vote on King. He's hard enough to read as it is, but when he doesn't post it makes me wonder even more.


I've already stated why I don't feel comfortable voting for BrkD at this time and Ogre just doesn't give me a witchy vibe. I have agreed with most of what he's said in the game and believe he is busy as he has stated. Also I'm pretty sure DC would not out himself unless he was the real herbalist but since Ogre hasn't been investigated, I just don't feel comfortable voting there.

I have to go see about dinner but hope to make it back on the pc before nightfall just in case.

[IceH2O]

Well a good base analysis of a situation can be helpful regardless of what side you're playing...the facts are easily verifiable, so the things you say obviously make some sense. However, I've been led astray before by immediately thinking that anyone who posts useful info for the town must obviously be innocent...the guilty folks also try hard to blend in by making useful observations, so based on that, while I appreciate your analysis, right now its not enough to make me jump up and down in town square saying "Ice is innocent!!"

I can accept that and I wouldn't ask you to scream I am innocent. But if you're so afraid to be led astray then why are you following so closely?


After reviewing things. Apparently the connection between Ice and DC was in my own mind and just based on the fact that I thought them both witches.

Sorry.

That being said, I'm willing to leave off brk and switch to DC. It appears that a brk vote will be wasted and as long as I switch to someone else I believe to be a witch, then I'll be satisfied.

I retract my vote for brk and vote to burn DC at the stake.

P.S. I haven't been around as much as I could be, other things are going on at home, but I'm getting a little free time at work, so that's why my posting schedule seems off.

So you decide that there is no connection after all then vote DC, then later on in the thread you are again saying I'm witch? Based on a claim of him being the herbalist?


So far my beliefs are

Innocent:
DD
Swayde
plantling

Possible innocents:
ZSand
Sploke
The newbs

Get a Bad Feeling about:
Jpap
Ice
CS

Very little vibe:
KOTD
Ogre

This list is so wrong IMO, I don't believe DC is the herbalist. I think Jpap points it out later in the quotes but it seems a great ploy to try. How can you get very little vibe from Ogre? I agree with his innocents but not with his Bad feelings, Jpap and Charlie don't strike me as witchy. I noticed Splokes bottom half is similar


I vote to burn jpappy.

something about him this game is really tweaking my radar. I know you guys keep saying "oh, he's so helpful" blah blah blah. Guilty people have to try and seem helpful, thats kind of how the game works. And at this point, its only "alleged" help, we can't actually confirm any of the identities of the 90% or so of the people in this game he's jumped on.


Sploke is really jumping out at me. He has gone back and forth on plantling based only on Ice's analysis of her. Is he trying to latch on to an innocent? Why no thoughts of your own splokey???

I agree that I don't like DC coming out as the herbalist. It seems like he threw that out there too quickly when people began questioning him. Especially when he said specifically why he wouldn't protect Lady g. I don't think anyone questioned why the herbalist didn't save her, but thats just an opinion. Also, the investigation of swayde is weak. Either the team doesn't really know what to do or he threw out swaydes name because nobody was questioning her and her innocence would seem likely. I can't trust him yet...

My vote will probably fall off of Brks as is was a rushed vote but I don't have a really strong suspect yet.

I agree Jpap, for someone that doesn't trust me more then a 6 they sure do follow my lead. I'm with you on the DC thing too. I think they are trying to force the herbalists hand, or the Prophet since they are the only one that can verify DCs claim.


I didn't like DC coming out either, but I've noticed from previous games that he gets fairly jumpy when a few people start tossing his name about, especially only a few hours from nightfall. I've seen it with him playing both good and evil, so its no surprise (to me anyway) that he felt forced to come out to save himself. Not saying it was the right time, but it was from his perspective.

Jpappy...you say that me not agreeing with your list is not enough reason to vote someone? If you are a witch (which I think you are), then you know exactly who are not witches...i.e. me, DC (apparently), B the newbie who's easy to make a case for, and possibly K who's always quiet so no one every knows whats going on with him. Throw in a fellow witch who's name has come up a few times (Ogre) and you have yourself a viable list thats easy to sell to the masses. Well, this villager is not buying.

In closing,

I'd have to add Sploke to my list of possibles, something doesn't seem right and I'll look tonight to see if I can find anything to strengthen my suspicion or to help me ease my mind.

The DC coming out I'm having trouble with. I could see them investigating Sway, she played us all the other game very well as an evil. But her coming up innocent doesn't mean diddly. Actually anyone coming up innocent means nothing. The HP shows innocent. I'm not saying Sway is the HP, very far from that, I believe her innocent.

I'm not sure about the Ogre DC jump marathon between the 2 of them but I think its all part of the plan that includes the coming out. I'm not saying DC isn't but I want to do some more thinking on it. I'm almost positive Ogre is witch.

The post I made about JMs voters has DC pegged as evil. None of the reasons worked for me. Maybe they need to be reread Post 487. Maybe I missed something? Hmm don't think so really.

My list as it stands at this minute

B -until he shows different he will be on the list, not saying he has to go right away but he hasn't shown me anything to make me trust him

DC- still have the feeling, if he is Herbalist then he comes off, but I'm thinking he isn't

Ogre- Had the feeling since early on, past posts give me enough proof that I'd feel comfortable burning him

Sploke - As I said he was joining the list, just until I look into him

KOTD- Basically the same boat as B, nothing to make me trust him, the LG vote was weak and he isn't helping the town. I wonder why he even plays, he was UD the last 2 games. He obviously doesn't want to play.

[ZSandmann]

Day 2 will end at 8 PM EST, Wednesday, 10/17
10/13 Votes – No Vote: King, Ice, BrkD
4-Ogre: Swayde (539) DC (540) ZSandmann (550) bluerat (580)
3-BrkD: Charlie (406) jpappy (465) Ogre (495) DD (500) Ogre (564)
1-KOTD: plantling (517)
1-jpappy: sploke (558)
1-sploke: jpappy (563)
0-DeputyChief: ZSandmann (505) Swayde (533) Ogre (535) ZSandmann (544)

[Rbishop]

I have the votes as the list above....

less than 90 minutes to nightfall....

PMs as required please...

:popcorn:

[ZSandmann]

Lol Rb, love to torment us huh?

Where are King and BrkD???

[IceH2O]

I've seen this pattern from JM before. Its aggravating but not necessarily incriminating, she goes off about how she's picking up on clues no one else sees and has things figured out, but then doesn't tell anyone whats going on. Not exactly new...


I agree with this idea, B is coming across as a newer player, but not necessarily guilty to me yet. I remember when I was new and made a few jokes about something and suddenly I was like number one suspect, so it takes some experience to figure out what you can and can't say without triggering everyone's very sensitive triggers, especially on day one when we have no information.



( this was from JM directed at DD) While I hate to agree with JM at this point, DD is coming across with a much bolder playing style than I have seen from her in the past. Before, she was always a suspect for low posting and kiind of hanging back and only coming forward when called out...her style has gotten a bit more overt than that now, which makes me suspicious.

Also, JM seems like she's kind of blowing everyone off regardless of what they say about her, and as usual the shopping list of why she may or may not be active at any given moment. Seems like someone trying way too hard to seem like they're not trying to seem innocent.

CS, to me, is playing his usual role...think Van Helsing on speed. Nothing he's done so far re. voting for about everyone in the game, really raises any flags for me. He's always kind of off the wall and twitchy.

May I aske what changed your mind on Charlie? Last I saw any mention he wasn't tweaking anything with you.But DD was.

Thats it for now, so my top suspicions right now are placed on JM and DD.


I think DC's logic was that he said he was out partying, and someone said something to the effect of "yeah likely story you're probably just evil". anyone who has played in at least one game with DC knows his history of missed votes and drunk postings...hm if I keep going someone's going to try and start an intervention. Anyway, JM also has a history of posting a fair amount, most of which contain not much actual info, but allusions to having info, and lots of excuses why she can't post. If she spent that time actually posting thoughts instead of excuses, she'd actually contribute a fair amount to the game.

Protecting DC? While at the same time now JM is suspect


How exactly am I flip-flopping? I am (trying to) defend the same position I took up last night, i.e. suspicion of JM and DD, although I haven't posted anything about DD at all today. I then voted for plantling because of some of the commentary from others, and so far I haven't seen any reason to change. First day is a crapshoot anyway, as we all know. For the innocent anyway, the witches should have a pretty clear idea of who to vote for. Anyway, tell me where in there I'm flip flopping around and I'll try to explain my thoughts.

Following? Hiding among the crowd?


I meant flip-flopping with defending DC's point on jm and you own point about her acting normal.


Sploke I am trying to figure out how you went from point A to point B with your thoughts on judge.



This does not seem like you are entirely suspicious of jm at all. You even said it was not necessarily incriminating.



Then you jump to saying she is suspicious??? If I read this correctly, you don't think her clue thing was suspicious but her excuses were???



Funny how you didn't see a solid reason to vote anyone and just chose plantling to go along with it but now you come back after being questioned and say that you agree with people about their suspicions of her. I have no doubt in my mind that you wouldn't have ever mentioned your vote on plantling again unless you decided to switch to another innocent tonight...

Jpap points it out that Sploke is a follower.


This post isn't making a whole lot of sense to me but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts.

First, yes looking at JM I saw the same pattern emerging. After a few more posts from her, it began to look (to me anyway) like an evil person trying really hard to seem innocent. So, hence the increase in suspicion level. that tends to happen in this game, people change their minds as they get new information and insights from others.

When I voted plantling, I stated then that I was going along with the reasons that had been previously given. Stating that again is not exactly a jump.

I'm not sure what you mean with the comment about not mentioning the vote again unless called out on it. Plenty of people make a vote then don't say much else about it unless they decide to change.

I guess I just don't see where the suspicion is coming from. You're taking normal game elements and saying that they are making me look suspicious. I'm not really sure how else to play the game besides looking for clues and changing my perceptions of people, then voting. If you have a better way, please feel free to enlighten me.


Hm well thats an interesting result for the night.

Lady G, not by any means a clear townie, taken by the witches.

JM was innocent so I guess I was off there.

The herbalist failed to save anyone, or even try to save anyone, from the looks of it.

B is all over the place, and a few of his comments are a little suspicious. Obviously the last minute vote raised some eyebrows, especially without any reasoning, but I think it was just to throw a vote out there to stay in the game. The comments afterward just scream "confused newbie" to me, especially with the remarks from Jpappy. I don't think its a rookie bad guy slip-up.

Protecting B or knows B is innocent and attaching to them as they are with me

Thats it for now, just wanted to talk my thoughts out there. Lets see how everyone comes back from this.


That was my thought too Z...why take the chance on an unknown when, if someone becomes known and need it and its already been used, we're screwed.


I agree swayde, I'm still really feeling it was a newbie/confusion issue over waiting for direction from someone. I have lots of leaning innocent, but not as many leaning guilty, and i'm far fuzzier there anyway...not a good sign for the time being. Based on Ice's analysis, I guess plantling has moved over toward the innocent side for me right now, after the voting last night. That alsl fits in with B being innocent. I also (obviously) want to believe in Ice, but he;s good so I'm hesitant to go off in that direction just yet. Bluerat I also think is making newbie errors without realizing how lightly you have to step on the eggshells before someone hangs/stakes/burns you for cracking a few. Thats it for now, I have to head to bed. We shall see what the morning brings.


Well a good base analysis of a situation can be helpful regardless of what side you're playing...the facts are easily verifiable, so the things you say obviously make some sense. However, I've been led astray before by immediately thinking that anyone who posts useful info for the town must obviously be innocent...the guilty folks also try hard to blend in by making useful observations, so based on that, while I appreciate your analysis, right now its not enough to make me jump up and down in town square saying "Ice is innocent!!"


Dude I don't know what your deal is...I said it before, and I reiterated it. It adds up because its what I really think, not because its some elaborate plan that I'm making up as I go along. Why are you surprised when I said "your guilties are my innocents" and my list actually states that?


Well I figured you'd be able to figure it out from my posts but I'll say it explicitly, I'll even rate everyone. (10=good, 1=evil)

lady 10 - confirmed
judge 10 - confirmed
sploke 10 (me)
swayde 10 - confirmed by DC (going with this until someone can prove otherwise)
deputy - 10 (see above)
BrkD - 8
bluerat - 7
zsand - 6
DD - 6
ice - 6
kotd - 5
plant - 5
ogre - 4
charlie - 4
jpap - 3

So obviously I'm not 100% sure on the guilty side, but the bottom half is basically what I was left with after picking out who I think is actually innocent.

I don't have any opinion yet. I have to see some more play out before I decide either way.

My only worries right now are his suspects. I don't agree with them and I don't see why his suspects changed but there has been no explanations to why.

Maybe if you could give us reasoning instead of numbers it would help

[KingOfTheDeep]

sorry all, spent most of the day with my mom and grandmother.

im torn between ogre and BKW right now, i'm not to sure about either..but b has been extra quiet(as have i)..but i had somewhere to be..

lets make things interesting

i vote to burn BKW

[IceH2O]

sorry all, spent most of the day with my mom and grandmother.

im torn between ogre and BKW right now, i'm not to sure about either..but b has been extra quiet(as have i)..but i had somewhere to be..

lets make things interesting

i vote to burn BKW

Acid flashbacks?

[ZSandmann]

sorry all, spent most of the day with my mom and grandmother.

im torn between ogre and BKW right now, i'm not to sure about either..but b has been extra quiet(as have i)..but i had somewhere to be..

lets make things interesting

i vote to burn BKW

Hope you're all doing well. But BKW isn't playing this round ;)

[Dangerdoll]

King, Bkw isn't in this game

[Rbishop]

about 30 minutes to go....

[ZSandmann]

Well this is interesting.

[KingOfTheDeep]

King, Bkw isn't in this game

lmao

i get him and brk confused all the time

i vote to burn brk

[Swayde]

That's certainly a flashback to Mee-Mee pickin on someone not even in the game....

[IceH2O]

So that makes it

Ogre 4 Sway DC Z Blue

Bkr 4 CS DD Ogre King

with 1 voter left.

[IceH2O]

Is it killing you if Bk or I am the last voter?

[ZSandmann]

No I'm almost certain you were spelled. I can't figure why they would of spelled Brk, plus Brk hasn't posted today.

[ZSandmann]

lmao

i get him and brk confused all the time

i vote to burn brk

All the time?

[Rbishop]

It is Night...

[Rbishop]

The Townies have gathered after a strange day of voting. Maybe things would have been different if the victim had at posted more. Tonights choice is tied to the statue, and once again the wood is piled high, with "Death To The Witch" being chanted by all.

BrkD departs ACville in flaming horror and screams, becoming another twisted figure....just an innocent Townie....

[Rbishop]

Once again the Witches meet, this time, not even near the victims house. Instead they have chosen a nearby glen, casting their evil to the wind...

The chosen victim is allowed a quick mental image of the covens faces, just before they are turned into a snail, and crushed by the Townies walking home from the square.....

sploke is no longer with us, an Innocent...and the prophet....

[Rbishop]

The warlock skips thru the empty streets of ACville...laughing all the way over their spell #3 not allowing Ice to vote......

[Rbishop]

Game On....

Game Day #3 Nightfall will be 8 PM EST, Friday, 10/19....

[Dangerdoll]

ok ummm..... a) You must vote each Game Day, or you will experience an untimely death.
BrkD never voted... aside from that point, why didn't he try to defend himself...

GAH!! we are sinking guys... we have lost the prophet!! Let's please come together. I am thinking since Ice was silenced last night, he is innocent. However, can the witches silence one of their own?

[IceH2O]

Well I figured you'd be able to figure it out from my posts but I'll say it explicitly, I'll even rate everyone. (10=good, 1=evil)

lady 10 - confirmed
judge 10 - confirmed
sploke 10 (me)
swayde 10 - confirmed by DC (going with this until someone can prove otherwise)
deputy - 10 (see above)
BrkD - 8
bluerat - 7
zsand - 6
DD - 6
ice - 6
kotd - 5
plant - 5
ogre - 4
charlie - 4
jpap - 3

So obviously I'm not 100% sure on the guilty side, but the bottom half is basically what I was left with after picking out who I think is actually innocent.


Well I trust DC now. Sploke being the prophet makes DCs claim true, if you look at his list he believed DC.

[Swayde]

ok ummm..... a) You must vote each Game Day, or you will experience an untimely death.
BrkD never voted... aside from that point, why didn't he try to defend himself...

GAH!! we are sinking guys... we have lost the prophet!! Let's please come together. I am thinking since Ice was silenced last night, he is innocent. However, can the witches silence one of their own?


The Warlock is who silenced him, and the Warlock is not necessarily evil.

[IceH2O]

ok ummm..... a) You must vote each Game Day, or you will experience an untimely death.
BrkD never voted... aside from that point, why didn't he try to defend himself...

GAH!! we are sinking guys... we have lost the prophet!! Let's please come together. I am thinking since Ice was silenced last night, he is innocent. However, can the witches silence one of their own?

The witches have no control over the warlock. It was the warlocks choice and no one elses.

True the warlock is as clueless to who is innocent or evil as a normal townie but there has to be a reason I was chosen.

[Swayde]

Well I trust DC now. Sploke being the prophet makes DCs claim true, if you look at his list he believed DC.


Doesn't really matter anymore, we lost our investigates =(


I'm looking at Ogre, KoTD and Jpappy...anyone have any reason why these people are *not* witches?

[IceH2O]

In all honesty Jpap wasn't on my radar. Id sploke would have gotten a chance to explain his rankings it might have helped me more.

Jpap was all over Sploke though, could be something to it.

[Dangerdoll]

ok, thanks swayde. I see that now...

Ice, going by sploke's list, Ogre, Charlie and Jpap are very high alerts

[Dangerdoll]

Pappy was on a lot of folks... I think it's worth looking at.... going to check.

[Dangerdoll]

I vote to burn jpappy.

something about him this game is really tweaking my radar. I know you guys keep saying "oh, he's so helpful" blah blah blah. Guilty people have to try and seem helpful, thats kind of how the game works. And at this point, its only "alleged" help, we can't actually confirm any of the identities of the 90% or so of the people in this game he's jumped on.
Interesting....


I would too though I kind of want to see everyones suspects.

I will start with a numbered list:

Brkd-3
DC-3
sploke-4
ogre-5
KOTD-5
Ice-5
plant-5
Chas-5
bluerat- 5
ZS-6
sway-6
DD-7

Not a whole lot of help because a lot of people are 5's after only one night but its a start

Note the 1st 3 suspects on pappy's list

[IceH2O]

I would too though I kind of want to see everyones suspects.

I will start with a numbered list:

Brkd-3
DC-3
sploke-4
ogre-5
KOTD-5
Ice-5
plant-5
Chas-5
bluerat- 5
ZS-6
sway-6
DD-7

Not a whole lot of help because a lot of people are 5's after only one night but its a start


Well here is Jpaps last list

We know sploke and Bk were innocents. According to his list you'd think DD Sway and Z would be the top 3 but thats to obvious. I'm not sold on Jpap being evil yet, Sploke didn't get a chance to investigate him so it was all based on feelings and what he thinks he saw.

I wish I saw what Sploke did in Charlie also, I'll have to look into it myself. I do agree with Ogre though.

Back to Jpaps list. Its possible if he is witch that he put the coven in the 5s, this way he isn't pushing them either way.

[IceH2O]

ogre-5
KOTD-5
Ice-5
plant-5
Chas-5
bluerat- 5

We need to choose from this part of the list IMO

I can see Ogre KOTD and Blue being witch. I have trouble seeing it in Charlie, Plantling could still be but I'm leaning away from evil.

I could say what I am but it proves nothing. You'll have to decide on your own.

[ZSandmann]

Back from dinner. What a Night. :( What do we think about Rb saying sploke saw the Witches faces? I mean I know he can't tell us, but I dunno it could mean something. Maybe his list is close?

[IceH2O]

The chosen victim is allowed a quick mental image of the covens faces,

I took it as that Rb let sploke know who is evil.

But if you compare Splokes list

kotd - 5
plant - 5
ogre - 4
charlie - 4
jpap - 3

and jpaps list of the 5s

ogre-5
KOTD-5
Ice-5
plant-5
Chas-5
bluerat- 5

There are a lot of the same names.

[ZSandmann]

Yeah wow, so that's sploke's Witch end of his list and pappy's middle?

To be honest I've had pappy leaning Innocent, but obviously I need to adjust my perspective. I was right about Brk though, I know I suspected him early, but I wasn't feeling it today. Losing sploke is a shock, I had him as a likely witch, and he wasn't on my PR list at all. Going to watch Ghost Hunters, be back in an hour.

[IceH2O]

I pretty much have to do this. I only have the switch spell left and it gets used next nightfall.

I used double my vote on myself for today.

I used the no vote on myself last night. I didn't want to take the vote from a witch because we need their voting pattern. I decided I was the only one I knew was innocent, and this way I wouldn't accidentally hit a witch.

The reason I'm coming out is that now that Sploke is dead DC is a sitting duck. With my coming out they need to decide on if they hit DC or me as I can hurt them just as much as he could.

We need to pick out 2 witches tonight. One to lynch and 1 for me to try and turn next daybreak.

[IceH2O]

**** it!

Sploke was the important one not DC, I screwed up guys.

[Swayde]

**** it!

Sploke was the important one not DC, I screwed up guys.


How did you screw up?

[IceH2O]

I could use the next spell on myself again.

DC saves me this nightfall I use the spell on myself turn evil and then you guys lynch me.

I wouldn't give names because its not right IMO, though I ask others to do it. But I would be voting for an innocent so that should help clear 1 person.

We'll lose the herbalist but he would be gone anyway this way at least its sort of an investigation for the town.

[Swayde]

I could use the next spell on myself again.

DC saves me this nightfall I use the spell on myself turn evil and then you guys lynch me.

I wouldn't give names because its not right IMO, though I ask others to do it. But I would be voting for an innocent so that should help clear 1 person.

We'll lose the herbalist but he would be gone anyway this way at least its sort of an investigation for the town.


And that gives the witches a free townie death and gives one of them an extra day to live...

[IceH2O]

How did you screw up?

I thought for some reason DC was the prophet. So I came out to help protect him. I only have 1 spell left, though its the most important one, and would be just a normal townie after the next nightfall.

But if we can come up with or go with the plan I posted above maybe we can still make this work to our advantage.

[Dangerdoll]

I don't think anybody said not to look at the clues at all. But if you think the clues contain innocents and witches is it worth a few dead innocents to find the witches? I am not sure what to think...
I see this..... but I remember that I saw something before this that contradicts this..... ah, just below, I found 2 earlier posts from pappy

Honestly I think all the conversation about the clues is giving the witches perfect cover for today and possibly later, especially if people think that the clues contain both innocents and witches. All they have to do is come out and agree with what other people are saying or come up with their own twists. If an innocent ends up dead than its ok because it was in the "clues" and it was just read wrong.

Take this any way you want but this is my honest opinion.


I wouldn't actually look into rb's "clues" day one and then base them on peoples avatars and such seeing as the are easily changeable.

If more stuff comes out later in the game then I will look into it



Sploke is really jumping out at me. He has gone back and forth on plantling based only on Ice's analysis of her. Is he trying to latch on to an innocent? Why no thoughts of your own splokey???

I agree that I don't like DC coming out as the herbalist. It seems like he threw that out there too quickly when people began questioning him. Especially when he said specifically why he wouldn't protect Lady g. I don't think anyone questioned why the herbalist didn't save her, but thats just an opinion. Also, the investigation of swayde is weak. Either the team doesn't really know what to do or he threw out swaydes name because nobody was questioning her and her innocence would seem likely. I can't trust him yet...

My vote will probably fall off of Brks as is was a rushed vote but I don't have a really strong suspect yet.


Sploke, my top suspects included Brkd, who is becoming less suspicious, DC who was and maybe is a top candidate for lynching depending on what progresses today and you. The rest are 5's or just leaning innocent. Hardly a reason to vote for someone.

And I was taking the psat this morning so again lame reasoning. My suspcious of you are getting stronger sploke.

I also find it interesting that you have yet to make a list yourself. The most I have seen is you throw a few names out there but you keep saying you have a lot of people leaning innocent...

I retract my vote for Brks and vote to burn Sploke at the stake

If anything, pappy's posts are all over the place.... I don't know what to think with him....

[IceH2O]

And that gives the witches a free townie death and gives one of them an extra day to live...

True,

well then let me turn myself and they'll have to hit me. If they don't then I'll just keep voting on innocent players and this way you'll have investigations.

[Dangerdoll]

I thought for some reason DC was the prophet. So I came out to help protect him. I only have 1 spell left, though its the most important one, and would be just a normal townie after the next nightfall.

But if we can come up with or go with the plan I posted above maybe we can still make this work to our advantage.
what? you thought DC was the prophet when?

[Swayde]

True,

well then let me turn myself and they'll have to hit me. If they don't then I'll just keep voting on innocent players and this way you'll have investigations.


That would not be ethical. If you get turned, you are part of the team you become a part of. It's unsportsmanlike to act any other way. It sucks to be turned, it really does. But it's not fair to the players on your team if you don't play along.

[Dangerdoll]

Swayde is right. With how off my suspicions have been in this game so far, I am completely not into believing you, Ice.

[charlie_stubbs]

Losing the prophet sucks bigtime.

My top suspect has become Ogre.

Jpap you were looking innocent, but something is fishy about you too methinks....

[IceH2O]

Or we could vote out Ogre or KOTD and change the other player.

I think those 2 stand out the most of the names on the lists. I'd rather switch Ogre as KOTD is pretty non existent.


If they hit DC then I'm still around to cast the last spell. I then become a regular townie to which they might or might not decide to hit me depending on their mindset. I'll be a known innocent to help the town.

[IceH2O]

That would not be ethical. If you get turned, you are part of the team you become a part of. It's unsportsmanlike to act any other way. It sucks to be turned, it really does. But it's not fair to the players on your team if you don't play along.

I'd be playing along. The point is to kill innocents, you'll just know that I'm on an innocent.

Why so worried Sway? Did you show innocent because you are the HP?

[IceH2O]

Ok then I'll vote for a witch. Either way you'll know lol.

[Dangerdoll]

the point is, you would have to do what the witches wanted, if not the HP. How would we know what that was?

[Dangerdoll]

and whatever it is, who would trust you now coming out with all this?

[OgreMkV]

OK, I;m sorry guys. I'll try to make it up to you tonight. I'm not promising anything, but I'll try.

DC - innocent until otherwise proven...
ogre - innocent, hard to believe, but true
KOTD - usual self
Ice - innocent
plant -
Chas -
bluerat -
ZS -
sway - innocent
DD -

There are basically six unknowns. At least four of those are witches... maybe 5.

[Swayde]

I'd be playing along. The point is to kill innocents, you'll just know that I'm on an innocent.

Why so worried Sway? Did you show innocent because you are the HP?


That's it Ice, I am the HP... It has absolutely nothing to do with being fair, a team player or ethics.

[IceH2O]

what? you thought DC was the prophet when?



When I made the post. I don't know why I mixed them up. All I could think of was a way to save DC. Coming out popped into my head.



Swayde is right. With how off my suspicions have been in this game so far, I am completely not into believing you, Ice.


About being the warlock?

Thats fine, I can't prove it. I can only explain my spell choices and why I used them in that way.

Tonight after night fall you'll see I had double votes. If you don't want me turned then the town can decide on who they want turned and I'll turn them.

[IceH2O]

That's it Ice, I am the HP... It has absolutely nothing to do with being fair, a team player or ethics.

It wouldn't be any different then when DD was turned and though she never named players she gave hints.



DD, If the evils would rather hit me thats fine too, proves I was innocent and I'm no longer a PW at that time. Still buys the innocents a day and an extra player on the team.

[IceH2O]

and whatever it is, who would trust you now coming out with all this?

I'll use this smiley for evil :Angel:

and this one for innocent :nono: lol

[Dangerdoll]

With who is left, I would like thoughts on Ogre

[IceH2O]

Ogre and KOTD are my top 2 right now

Ogre has been pretty strange with his voting

Day 1 started on Sploke, then me

Day 2 DC Bkr then DC then Bkr


His lists mostly comprised of me Bkr and DC. No one that hasn't had heat on them but all innocents also.

[Dangerdoll]

Thanks Ice.... I need more.... I want to hear from Z, Swayde, Charlie, Bluerat and Plant

[ZSandmann]

Wow, I actually believe Ice. But Ice I don't think using the spell on yourself is our best defense. Also, there are 11 players left. If there were 5 witches, and you turned yourself, you could automatically lose the game right there. You really need to turn a witch with that spell.

[ZSandmann]

OK, I;m sorry guys. I'll try to make it up to you tonight. I'm not promising anything, but I'll try.

DC - innocent until otherwise proven...
ogre - innocent, hard to believe, but true
KOTD - usual self
Ice - innocent
plant -
Chas -
bluerat -
ZS -
sway - innocent
DD -

There are basically six unknowns. At least four of those are witches... maybe 5.

DC is the Herbalist, that is pretty certain. So yes Swayde is a Shown Innocent, but not a Known Innocent. Remember the HP. Why do you believe Ice is Innocent? And having usual self for King doesn't say much. I agree with some of these picks, but that isn't my point here. My point is that you list them matter of factly as Innocent while offering no proof.

[OgreMkV]

The case for Zsandmann. This is only a small collection of his posts. I ignored at least half of them because they were useless posts. I also skipped his vote counts.

The attempt is to show that Z, while appearing useful and playing his normal style has not been playing his normal style... please follow along.


Good Morning! Busy Night, it's going to be one of those Day 1's with a thousand changed votes, as long as we end up on a witch though. I don't want to give a list this early, yesterday was mainly fun posts but a few interesting things were revealed.

JM withholds her thoughts, not a betterment for the Town.
Charlie jumped in and accused half the town.
Lady G got rolled by several people but I haven't really seen what the fuss is about.
King got called out for being #13. I know Day 1 is hard, but I hope we can find better reasons than this.

Of all this I think the JM thing bugs me the most.
I vote to burn JudgeMax at the stake.

But I'm also looking for a post from the second newbie.

All this is true, but JM always plays that way. nothing really here...


BrkD: I don't really understand the way you are coming into this game. You post a lot of accusations but nothing to back them up. And the "room" comment still bugs me.

JM: I don't find you any more guilty than anyone else right now. But I ask you to share any ideas you come up with.

But you voted for her previously...


I don't really know what to think of Brk to be honest. I'm not going to vote for him on Day 1, I would like to see how he plays both for the benefit of this round and the future games he may play in. But you can't say that room comment didn't send some kind of tingle your way.

brk's room thing. Hey, I thought he was guilty too.


Ok you had me really worried Ice because I hadn't said much if anything about Ogre.

I only asked Brk what room he was hiding in, I can't figure out why you keep saying I was attacking him for that. Charlie and Ogre went after him much harder than I. As I said before I plan on giving both the nebs a day to get a feel for how they play, I do have Brk leaning Witch right now however. I am still neutral on bluerat because he just hasn't posted enough.

RE: Rb's "clues": I certainly see where you are coming from, but it seems a stretch even for Rb. Why would he give out the entire list of Witches on Day 1?

Take a careful look at how neutral this post is. Without really seeming too, he defends himself, lays blame on myself and charlie. He thens says some totally non-commital things about bluerat. And the clues...


Oh sorry, lol, the Wha? was directed at the Ice/Plantling debate. She is right, I found all of Rb's chants online.

Good leg work.


I agree with you, JM hasn't answered my questions either, but wanted to point out what she said wasn't really a slip. It was withholding information more than anything. I mean it could of been nothing more than a hunch she had but JM's lists are notorious whether she wants them to be or not, and if she has one I'd like for her to share it with us.

I think we can all agree with this.


I think there is way too much being read into the spells personally. If he had made them up I might be more inclined to believe them, but if they are real, and they are as I Googled them, then I think he was just setting a mood for the game. Can't say 100% either way though. Lady you say JM for bat but there are bats in your avatar too for example. What I guess I'm suggesting is that we not let them override our sense of the game, focus on a persons body of posts more than an avatar.

Same thing


KOTD is the only person that has not voted I just noticed. He hasn't posted a lot but nothing Witchy from him so far, just checking my notes.

noncommittal


Yeah I sometimes wonder about DC's "drunk" posts. I know the few times I've come home from a blaock party or what have you, I have went straight to bed without even thinking of needing to get on here and post.

noncommittal. Comments, but nothing one way or another.


I was wondering that as well. He is the only person with no vote down, but King is also one of the people I have the hardest time reading.

Dc I'm hear to answer anything you want to ask me. Day 1 isn't my best day deductively but I always try to find something of substance to place a vote on. Historically I'm usually wrong, but JM's vagueness is all I have right now.

Yup I agree with this, but I suppose if you want to look at it from a game perspective it makes more sense not to tell us their numbers. Also makes me keep the Tums nearby though. :D

Hey I'm notorious for mixing the two. Maybe if I start voting for who I think are the PRs I'll hit witches. :perv:

Nice long post... full of sound and fury signifying nothing.


DD's pretty high on my Innocent list right now, but you're still a solid 5. Your posts about the poems, and that eye of Sauron give me the willies. Otherwise I haven't seen anything glaringly Witchy to you.

noncommittal


Hi King. What do you think of JM right now? Actually this goes to everyone. She's the leading candidate right now and I just want to know how many folks feel she is Innocnet vs. Witchy. If you don't have an opinion that is fine as well.

I have 5 votes on JM, three on plantling and DC, 2 on Ice, and 1 on Charlie and Lady G.

Asking others opinions? why ask how many others believe one way or another? Why are even considering others opinions... unless you know how you want to vote, but just want support? Not asking for evidence either!


I agree with that Ogre. What I can see happening is someone with well-intentions might find a witch that "fits" one of those spells and then they'll start a witch hunt that will leave a bunch of Innocent bodies in it's wake.

Still on the 'hints'


Fair enough King just was curious if you had any ideas about her right now.

As I said earlier we shouldn't dismiss Rb's spells, but we shouldn't soley base a lynch on one interpretation. Maybe in a day or so they may seem more clear, but for now I base my choices on posts.

Same thing as previous two posts.


Heh, things to think about.

Earlier when the discussion was on avatars and fitting them to Rb's spells jpappy changed his avatar from Snoopy on the Great Pumpkin to the Witch one he has now, and we had a laugh about it.

King I just noticed you changed yours to Dexter with the subtitle "Dark Passenger." Hint, test, or just a fan of the show? I don't have an answer to that it is just an observation.

On the topic of the Newbies:

bluerat has 8 posts in game and has been posting in other threads as well.
BrkD has 6 posts in game and has only made one other post outside and that is in the rate my avatar game thread.

Once again these are just observations for discussion.

Nice observations... again showing that he's trying to help the town, but is it really help?


Lady, just got home from work, let me get my notes to snuff and I'll post what I have for a list.

I was also hoping to hear from JM before Night. She was defensive early on before I even put my vote on her, but once I did there was little response.


Ice I agree with you. If they have to use a spell 3 is safest. I would say Lady G, Ice, and myself would be the picks to use it on. Using it on someone who posts little amounts to nothing more than a "kidnap" and actually hurts us because we want to hear from those people as much as possible to base our opinion.

Agreeing with Ice... these are 'safe' topics because they can't be used to track witchiness


King I don't have any read on either way, he doesn't seem Witchy but I think we all agree he is one of the toughest to figure out.

Ogre I have leaning very slightly Witchy, but again I don't have a strong vibe there.

That's fair Ice, I was the first vote on JM, other than her initial comment of holding info I didn't see anything else, but she also didn't post much after that. I think myself and anyone else that voted for her is and should be under scrutiny.

Still no strong opinions.


I think I figured out why the Herbalist didn't use there protection.

If they blindly used the potion on a PR on Night 1 then they couldn't protect that person again. The chances of the witches hitting a PR were slim, maybe they figured the risk was worth it?

Again another thinking post. Looks important, but it really isn't


I don't understand the phrase I bolded above, I think "or" should be "of" but just wanted to know if you could clarify that for me.

Ok I give you credit for trying to catagorize these scenarios but I can think of many more that are just as likely.
4) The Witches thought she was a PR.
5) They just wanted her gone because she was the highest poster
etc.

I'm flattered that you would peg me as the leader, but I was Don in a previous game and it didn't work out well for us.

This is response to mmy scenarios for LadyG's killing.


Me either, still many hours till Night so I want to see what everyone takes from last Night, and how things sort in the next 12-24 hours.


It didn't make much sense to me either pappy. He plays almost like Ewurm did in his first game, this is exactly why I said I'd give the Newbs a bit of slack so I could see how they play. He's had less than a dozen posts though so I still don't know, I can tell he is confused, but that doesn't mean anything about what his role is.

nothing post


I heartily disagree with you sploke. jpappy has by far done more leg work so far on Day 2 than any of the rest of us. I've been rereading Day 1 posts during coffee breaks but don't have anything new to add just yet. Ice is also contributing a good bit of feedback. As we have no known Innocent's I take this research with a grain of salt, but it is helpful.

Defending jpappy


Ice: I'm willing to accept you doubt of me for voting JM, I didn't have any better suspects and I had to vote for someone. I just haven't seen anything to suspect me of plantling other than your analysis of Rb's spells and how she is going after you. A lot of times when two players go at it like that you can think that one must be an Evil but after my experiences with Swayde and BKW (remember the mousepad) I try to no longer give myself tunnel vision like that.

Right now I believe jpappy, DD, Charlie, and Ice are Innocents. On the opposite end of the spectrum I have DC, sploke, BrkD, leaning Witch. The rest of the players aren't so clear cut. No scaled list worth showing right now, assume anyone I didn't name is a 5. I would like to say that I will follow along with everyone on Brk right now but we still have over 24 hours and it would be good to have someone else down to increase conversation.

I vote to burn at the stake DeputyChief

On the counts of drunken posting, following, and general anti-town vibes. Subject to change upon further review, all patent's pending, not valid outside the contiguous United States.

This is the most commited he's been. Sure, it's still day 2 at this point, but it seems odd. It looks like the vote is following a building train... that won't make it because everyone seems to be piling on brk


No I saw her lists but she never provided what she said "all in due time" about. At least not in so many words. If you look at my comments, I didn't think she was continuing to hide things, it was more the fact that she never addressed what she thought she had early on. I mean after reading her after death post its clear she was just busy, but when Night was approaching she didn't offer any sort of feedback. That in my experiences is not like her at all, usually if someone even brings up her name they get scathing replies back almost instantly.

nothing post


Hey Brk see ya down there. I'm very interested in how you feel about the votes on you and who you think are the Witches.

Hi JL. Hi cooldude.


Dc's last post. How did she catch your attention? You do have a consistent play style, I'll give you that. I never label anyone automatically guilty, that's a close minded way to play the game. I don't understand why the high posters are always targeted first, I guess it is subliminal as you see their names more often as you read the thread.

Here is the drunken post. Mistyped words are bolded. If I were drunk and posting I would fat finger the keys but these words don't look like that if you study the key placement. Also, he refers to himself by his real name. What I notice is that there are just a few extra letters added or a few letters deleted from words. At a glance it looks garbled but it isn't at all.

The Red Sox took House's time slot. Hisssssssssss!!!

Evidence against DC, but it's not really evidence. It is an analysis of his post... sort of.


Being lenient is one thing, being cautious is another. If either you or bluerat play future games it is good to see what you play style is. I do doubt you, but there are others I doubt more. Since I can only vote for one person a Day, I have chosen to vote for someone else. No one is asking for evidence as to why you changed your vote, it was Day 1, but you must of had a reason, an idea, or a feeling. You are quite an enigma it seems.

Yes that was what I thought. I was just comparing finger placement to the misspelled words. I've chatted before when under the influence and I find my fingers hit the wrong keys, but the spelling errors in that post were added cluster letters. If you look back you see he hits "as" and "cv" a lot.

Totally possible. I think we are not putting enough pressure on the low posters. If you don't want to be branded give us some input, a list, some suspicions, a hunch. The last sentence sounds hopeful, expand that, who do you think is Innocent, who only appears so?

Same thing.


Thank you for posting that DC. What bothers me is that my Witch list is very different from yours but we share many of the same Presumed Innocents. I have to say that I am still very suspect of you, I think you are hiding something.

Here is what my list look like right now.

Witchy - 1
Deputy Chief - 3
sploke - 4
BrkD - 4
King - 4
bluerat - 5
Ogre - 5
plantling - 5
DangerDoll - 6
Charlie - 6
Ice - 7
Swayde - 7
jpappy - 8
Townie - 10

Almost totally noncommittal list. He is basically agreeing with all to date.


:confused: Oh great DC. I think I understand what that means, time to reread posts.

Swayde I believe you are an Innocent, and Ogre has given me pause, but as I've said I have agreed with him as well. And I'm still not sold enough on Brk to place a vote there.

I retract my vote from DC.

Maybe at lunch time I can figure something out. Just so you know DC, I'm not clearing you, you still give me the Witchy Itchy.

Retracts Dc


That is how I feel. I don't trust DC... well no point in trying to hide it because everyone can interpret it. He is implying he is a PR. Ahhh! No, that's too easy a way to get out of a jam.

I vote to burn at the stake DC.

Ogre's list has been DC, Ice, and BrkD for a few days now. I don't understand the comment about his vote not counting on BrkD though, it very much was counting as BrkD was the leader.

I told you I hadn't really been playing... sigh. But why jump back on the train?


Looked to me like Brk was going to be the pick, but I respect your choice if you are the Herbalist, I still have doubts but will wait and see if anyone else decides to claim it as well. The fact you say Swayde was who was investigated bothers me though, as she and I are the only two others on right now. I do think she is Innocent however. You've given me a great deal to think about for sure.

If you are still around I would like to ask in particular why you think jpappy is a Witch. He has seemed very helpful and honest to me.

Defending jpappy again!


Why am I a Witch if Ice is Innocent?

I don't think Brk is a Witch. The presumed Herbalist, and a presumed Innocent are both voting for you. That's a strong case for me. You openly admit you aren't trying hard enough this round. I think we'll get the witches and I think it starts tonight with you.

Yeah, I know.


pappy that isn't my only reasons for Ogre, it was just a point I was making to him. He has admitted to what amounts to skimming by not knowing how many votes were on Brk. He admits to not being involved in the game. He isn't being aggressive like he normally is either. I normally hold a lot of weight to what he says when I think he is Innocent.

:( Ogre you're freaking me out man.

I'd like to hear from Swayde. I do trust her as much as I can with no proof. DC I am wanting to believe is legit regardless of how silly it was to come out with 2 votes on him. This is a difficult premise. I still see all my evidence for him being a Witch and it still holds up. I really just don't want another JM moment like Night 1.


Yeah wow, so that's sploke's Witch end of his list and pappy's middle?

To be honest I've had pappy leaning Innocent, but obviously I need to adjust my perspective. I was right about Brk though, I know I suspected him early, but I wasn't feeling it today. Losing sploke is a shock, I had him as a likely witch, and he wasn't on my PR list at all. Going to watch Ghost Hunters, be back in an hour.

He;s been defeding jpap the whole time and will now rethink. I'm willing to bet that if a jpappy train forms, he'll be on it.

Like I said, I haven't even posted half of his useless posts/

I vote to burn Zsandmann

[ZSandmann]

Ogre is my number one pick right now, I have way too many Innocents after that. I wish King would post more, Ogre says he is his "usual self" but to be honest he is posting even less than usual. The posts before Night with voting for BKW crack me up and concern me, and I highlighted in a previous quote where he said he "always gets the two mixed up." Now I haven't checked today but previously Brk only had one post outside of this thread. Where has King been discussing Brk to "always mix him up"?

[OgreMkV]

DC is the Herbalist, that is pretty certain. So yes Swayde is a Shown Innocent, but not a Known Innocent. Remember the HP. Why do you believe Ice is Innocent? And having usual self for King doesn't say much. I agree with some of these picks, but that isn't my point here. My point is that you list them matter of factly as Innocent while offering no proof.

Until there is other info, it's assumed to be accurate. No one else has come out.

Obviously, if someone else comes out, then I'll have to change things.

[ZSandmann]

Ouch Ogre, glad to know the last week of my life has been for nought. If you are fishing for a revenge vote you'll not get it. That's the best post you've made all game.

[OgreMkV]

It's not for naught. It was a well played cover and if I hadn't been so out of it earlier, I might not have noticed.

BTW: This makes jpappy a suspect too

[ZSandmann]

We're all suspects Ogre. All 11 of us. I think pappy is Innocent but I have to hold some doubt in mind. I have been snowed before, and I'll be snowed again. The good thing is with the PRs all Ided (presumably of course) maybe my radar will clear up.

[DeputyChiefJR]

Crap, I thought of bluffing and protecting Sploke tonight...I didn't think they had investigated him yet. Crap, crap, crap! Sorry guys....Who should I protect tomorrow? Ice?

[ZSandmann]

DC if you can't protect yourself, Ice would be the best bet. As he is most likely really the Warlock and he could turn one of them to our side. And I'm sorry for doubting you. Was the drunken post real or were you playing it up to hide your role?

[IceH2O]

I just got home from footbalsal and drank a whisdle lot...I was trying to ply but resalized that at this point read isn't one f my specialties...Jon wcvill be backsf in the morning...He wilsl answer then...

Here is the drunken post. Mistyped words are bolded. If I were drunk and posting I would fat finger the keys but these words don't look like that if you study the key placement. Also, he refers to himself by his real name. What I notice is that there are just a few extra letters added or a few letters deleted from words. At a glance it looks garbled but it isn't at all.

The Red Sox took House's time slot. Hisssssssssss!!![/QUOTE]


Since Ogre went through the trouble I thought I'd look into a few little things that had me interested also. Post 487 has my thoughts on Z till that point.

But his post analyzing DCs post caught my eye


Look at the words and Zs claim to placement.

footbalsal - sa are next to one another they don't belong in the word but I could see it happening

whisdle -not sure what word this is even supposed to be

resalized - again the sa together here and on the keyboard

wcvill- will added cv which are next to one another

backsf- sf close enough but the d is between them

wilsl - the s and l aren't anywhere near one another but depending on how DC types I could see the s being hit but why wasn't the a also?


Not really sure what to think right now

[IceH2O]

Anyone want to go back to this?




Update...thru post 123...
to burn at the stake....

lady (1) by ice 28

kotd (1) by swayde 102

sploke (1) by ogre 51

BrkD (1) by charlie 113

charlie (1) by jpap 117

5 of 15 have voted...


will this work for the Townies....

Go away evil dreams
its not what it seems
go away go far away leave my dreams sight
give me at least one good night

Should we assume the list here are all innocents? We know 3 of the 5 are for sure.

[ZSandmann]

I still find it hard to read into those spells too much Ice. About DC's post, I just asked him about that and hope to get a clarification from him.

[ZSandmann]

OK, I;m sorry guys. I'll try to make it up to you tonight. I'm not promising anything, but I'll try.

DC - innocent until otherwise proven...
ogre - innocent, hard to believe, but true
KOTD - usual self
Ice - innocent
plant -
Chas -
bluerat -
ZS -
sway - innocent
DD -

There are basically six unknowns. At least four of those are witches... maybe 5.

Looking back at this again. Why is pappy not on the list? You say there are 6 unknowns, but you omitted pappy.

[IceH2O]

If we could trust that list it would give us

Sploke
Sway
LG
JM
CS
Ice
KOTD
DC
Bkr

as innocents and leave us to look through

Z
DD
Plant
Ogre
JPap
Blue

to find 4 or 5 witches. I'm leaning to 4 though IMO, 5 would be to many I think.

[IceH2O]

He did didn't he, nice catch.

Glad its still 48 hour days. We might need all of them.

[IceH2O]

Actually Sway can be on either list. Showing innocent doesn't mean anything anymore and I really wish we'd remove that rule.

Its okay if that hit ends the game but doesn't help us in these games.

[OgreMkV]

Looking back at this again. Why is pappy not on the list? You say there are 6 unknowns, but you omitted pappy.

heh... it was jpappy's list. But I think I covered him nicely in the rest of the post.

Z, you are defending jpappy, you have done so at least twice. He's as much of a witch as you are.


Guys, I know what you think. This isn't a last ditch effort to save myself. Ice, I would appreciate it you didn't use your spell against me, it would be bad for the town. Remember what happened last time?

Anyway, you can believe me or not. The evidence is there, just as plain as day. I'll also say that it's a darn sight more evidence than Z has put out so far.

[charlie_stubbs]

With who is left, I would like thoughts on Ogre
Here are my thoughts Double Dee.

Either Ogre or Jpap is a witch. I don't think they're both witches, as Ogre has justed named Jpap as one of his suspects.

I vote to burn Jpap at the stake.

[charlie_stubbs]

heh... it was jpappy's list. But I think I covered him nicely in the rest of the post.

Z, you are defending jpappy, you have done so at least twice. He's as much of a witch as you are.


Guys, I know what you think. This isn't a last ditch effort to save myself. Ice, I would appreciate it you didn't use your spell against me, it would be bad for the town. Remember what happened last time?

Anyway, you can believe me or not. The evidence is there, just as plain as day. I'll also say that it's a darn sight more evidence than Z has put out so far.
I really dont know whether to believe you or not.

My vote is to use the spell on Jpap.

[DeputyChiefJR]

DC if you can't protect yourself, Ice would be the best bet. As he is most likely really the Warlock and he could turn one of them to our side. And I'm sorry for doubting you. Was the drunken post real or were you playing it up to hide your role?

It was real...haha, I got trashed and felt chatty and helpful and realized I couldn't type very well. I'll get Ice next.

[Swayde]

DC - I don't think it's a good idea to mention who you are protecting, or even discuss it. That information is not necessary for us, but would be quite helpful to the witches.

DD - I am not so sure about Ogre right now. There was one post he'd made earlier that seemed to scream witch at me, but now I am not so sure.

I do believe KoTD and Jpappy are witches...the case on Z is bad, my feeling on Ogre is still not good, but not all bad either....no real opinion on anyone else (aside from DC who I will still give benefit of doubt to about the Herbalist thing and Ice for being the Warlock)


I vote to burn KoTD at the stake.

[jpappy789]

Well I have been completely off this game, I will admit that, and if that warrants a vote so be it but all I can say is that the witches are really leading the town in the wrong direction. I confused witches for PR's. A lot of people admit to that so I guess I will say that as that's really the only defense I have...

With the people who are unknown I think plant, ogre, kotd, and Zs are withces. I would possibly throw Chas in there in place of some one else. Vote for me if you want but I think this list is accurate and will be proven quite true when I am gone.

I am not giving up yet but I would like to just let you all know my thoughts and I can see a train forming on me soon...

[KingOfTheDeep]

DC - I don't think it's a good idea to mention who you are protecting, or even discuss it. That information is not necessary for us, but would be quite helpful to the witches.

DD - I am not so sure about Ogre right now. There was one post he'd made earlier that seemed to scream witch at me, but now I am not so sure.

I do believe KoTD and Jpappy are witches...the case on Z is bad, my feeling on Ogre is still not good, but not all bad either....no real opinion on anyone else (aside from DC who I will still give benefit of doubt to about the Herbalist thing and Ice for being the Warlock)


I vote to burn KoTD at the stake.

so why the vote on me, with no explanation except "i think kotd and jpappy are witches"

why?

you and pappy are looking awfully suspicious lately...

[plantling]

lmao

i get him and brk confused all the time

i vote to burn brk
This would be plausible if bkw and brk were both in the game, but they aren't.


That's certainly a flashback to Mee-Mee pickin on someone not even in the game....
I got the same feeling, Swayde.


so why the vote on me, with no explanation except "i think kotd and jpappy are witches"

why?

you and pappy are looking awfully suspicious lately...
Why is Swayde looking so suspicious lately? She's been actively in the game all game long and IMO done nothing witchy. More than I can say for you. You never did address people's comments and concerns about you. And for you to suddenly be casting suspicion on her, I think you have an agenda. Once again my vote will be on you.

I vote to burn KoTD at the Stake.

DD, I don't know what to think about Ogre. I want to believe him, but Ogre came right out and professed KoTD's innocence as if it were solid gold, and KoTD came in and voted BrK at the very last w/Ogre being in the lead, I believe.

Ice, use the spell on who you think is most witchy. I know we've had our differences but perhaps I sensed the Wharlock. :rolleyes:

DC, do your thing. Just don't let on what you're doing.

[IceH2O]

Jm that whole "you guys" and stuff did make you look highly suspicious to me last game. I am also very wary of your excuses. You had tons of excuses last game for why you weren't posting, even though you actually were quite active. I see your excuses beginning again. I do believe they are real excuses, however, I think they are unnecessary to give us a laundry list of every activity and to cover your butt so much. Makes you look like your trying to hide something and appear to be a townie, when your really not.


I retract my vote on KOTD. I vote to burn DC at the stake. I have to agree with Lady G that the fact BrkD may have slipped up is notable. I am concerned that DC has not posted much and his only effort at a post since his name was mentioned was an excuse with some typos to say he was drunk. I think he's a much more likely candidate at this time for a witch than KoTD who I still think has a destiny with evil due to all the 13's :P


Aye DD and Lady G both have bats in their avatars, so why just pick JM? I know you didn't Z, I am just agreeing with your post. The question is for Lady G since she's the one who singled out JM for the bat.

I don't happen to think the spell thingys are clues though. RB usually only gives game related clues during Nightfall.


I am actually considering going back to my random vote because I don't see anything from anyone worth burning them for. Nothing has popped out at me as overly suspicious. I don't have any strong hunches on anyone or even any small evil feelings about anyone. I think my witch-o-meter is busted =/


I wish we knew how many witches there were. I like being able to say okay, there are 5 bad guys and 10 good guys and then I can categorize people accordingly...the top 10 people I think are innocent or a few bad guys and the shady, in-between folks and then pick out the person I think is most lkely evil. This not knowing how many there are kinda throws a wrench into that strategy though and so I have to assume everyone is a witch, but I know a few are definitely good power roles and then it really gets hard....argggh...can't think =/


I still do not have a strong opinion on anyone. I am very tempted to burn myself because I don't feel I am being any help to the town at all this round. It could be my new allergy medicine making my brain so fuzzy, or it could be just that nobody has managed to set off any bells yet for me.

I was very surprised to see Lady G killed off. I think this means 1 of 2 things...

1) The witches assumed the herbalist would be protecting one of the usual suspects who gets killed off fast.

2) The usual suspects who get killed off fast are all witches so they took out someone they felt would be a threat.

I guess there is a 3rd reason as well. Maybe they want us to give more thought to her lists and theories. I personally don't think the spell things are really clues, but they may want us to believe they are because they don't hint at any of them and Lady G seemed to be pushing them very hard.

I'm thinking Ogre, Z, CS, Ice and DD are going to be the people I will be watching most closely today, however, I don't trust anyone and on a scale of 1-10 (10 being innocent) I'd have these five as 3's with everyone else at 4's =/


I vote to burn DC at the stake. I expected to have heard back from him by now after his last post last night. He's the strongest suspect I have, which I admit isn't as strong as I'd normally like to vote on someone.


This does not make a lot of sense. BrkD was still leading votes and now you just tied DC up with him...how would your vote have been wasted when your voting on the person leading in votes, especially if you do believe him/her to be a witch? Ogre, this worries me, I am very close to switching off DC and voting you because of this.


Actually I will switch my vote. I don't like that post at all Ogre.

I retract my vote from DC and vote to burn Ogre at the stake.

I wasn't sure I wanted to accept Sways innocence based on an investigation so I pulled her important posts. Thankfully I only had to go through 56 of them. I was really surprised at that number. I thought she had been on way more then that.

I don't really have time now to break then down but maybe others can then I'll be able to tonight. One thing I noticed is she is, as Ogre would say, very non committal. One quote that really threw me was the I'm of no help, feel like I'm of no help to the town. I claimed this as a bad guy when I kept lynching innocents. But I can see it being used this game by an innocent. None of our top suspects lists didn't have innocents in it.


Well I have been completely off this game, I will admit that, and if that warrants a vote so be it but all I can say is that the witches are really leading the town in the wrong direction. I confused witches for PR's. A lot of people admit to that so I guess I will say that as that's really the only defense I have...

With the people who are unknown I think plant, ogre, kotd, and Zs are withces. I would possibly throw Chas in there in place of some one else. Vote for me if you want but I think this list is accurate and will be proven quite true when I am gone.

I am not giving up yet but I would like to just let you all know my thoughts and I can see a train forming on me soon...

I actually think the witches are sitting back and letting us rip each other down. I would consider your list but I'm not real sure about you yet. I have to admit all those names have been people I suspect.

[charlie_stubbs]

so why the vote on me, with no explanation except "i think kotd and jpappy are witches"

why?

you and pappy are looking awfully suspicious lately...
King you havent answered what you meant by you confuse Brk with Bkw all the time??? I think you meant in your chat room.

[ZSandmann]

Morning all. Glad to see that there is no run away train on me after Ogre made his "case". Ogre I don't know what to think about you, I've agreed with you. I've disagreed with you, and now I'm your prime suspect. If anything I accomplished one thing and that was drawing you back into the game. Now if only King would come back. And I'm not forgetting about bluerat either. She has been the less Witchy of the two Newbs, and now we know Brk was Innocent, but I would like to have more posts from blue.

[OgreMkV]

This would be plausible if bkw and brk were both in the game, but they aren't.

I got the same feeling, Swayde.

Why is Swayde looking so suspicious lately? She's been actively in the game all game long and IMO done nothing witchy. More than I can say for you. You never did address people's comments and concerns about you. And for you to suddenly be casting suspicion on her, I think you have an agenda. Once again my vote will be on you.

I vote to burn KoTD at the Stake.

DD, I don't know what to think about Ogre. I want to believe him, but Ogre came right out and professed KoTD's innocence as if it were solid gold, and KoTD came in and voted BrK at the very last w/Ogre being in the lead, I believe.

WHAT? I never said that KOTD was innocent. I said that he was playing normally. That's all. I'm mostly back in the game now. Don't go twisting my words.

He was one that I had an opinion on at this point. The opinion is that he is playing just like he always does. One or two posts per day.

Ice, use the spell on who you think is most witchy. I know we've had our differences but perhaps I sensed the Wharlock. :rolleyes:

DC, do your thing. Just don't let on what you're doing.

Totally agree with the last two statements.

[Dangerdoll]

Here are my thoughts Double Dee.

Either Ogre or Jpap is a witch. I don't think they're both witches, as Ogre has justed named Jpap as one of his suspects.

I vote to burn Jpap at the stake.

Charlie, I kind of agree with your thought.....
Actually, last night I asked everyone's opinion of Ogre, I was mainly concerned about how Z would answer it. I don't know why, call it a gut feeling or what have you, Z is making me uncomfortable. Maybe it's his different posting habits, I don't know but he definitely is not like he is when he is innocent, however... I still can't really say if he is votable or not. Same with Pappy...

[Dangerdoll]

For the record, not sure what to think about King either. He is not here enough to judge, and his votes are often last minute with little or no explanation. Yep, that's just like every other game.

[KingOfTheDeep]

King you havent answered what you meant by you confuse Brk with Bkw all the time??? I think you meant in your chat room.

i meant the two names get me confused sometimes, bkw..brk..somewhat similar..i'm used to seeing bkw posting in this game, so i guess i misread brk for bkw.

[KingOfTheDeep]

For the record, not sure what to think about King either. He is not here enough to judge, and his votes are often last minute with little or no explanation. Yep, that's just like every other game.

not every game...

im doing my best right now with whats going on here, it seems like the only time i get to review posts is before night, yes..thats supicious..but it's all i have to offer right now

[IceH2O]

Lunch break..

I think that list and spell are telling us who is innocent. I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone one that list of votes.

If I were to vote right now it would be either Blue Z or Jpap, with a watchful eye on DD and Sway.

Something about Sway just doesn't fit. But I'll have to look through the posts when I have time to make a real decision.

I want to hear more from Blue so I'll place my vote on her. Maybe if she could give us a list and reasons why it could help. By this time newb or not she has to have some thoughts on people. I want a list of everyone Blue, not 1 or 2 people.

I vote to burn Blue

[plantling]

OK, I;m sorry guys. I'll try to make it up to you tonight. I'm not promising anything, but I'll try.

DC - innocent until otherwise proven...
ogre - innocent, hard to believe, but true
KOTD - usual self
Ice - innocent
plant -
Chas -
bluerat -
ZS -
sway - innocent
DD -

There are basically six unknowns. At least four of those are witches... maybe 5.
Ogre, I wasn't trying to twist your words. From the above post, it appeared to me that you considered King one of your knowns, so that only left the 5 pple w/out descriptions beside their names and Jp to make 6 unknowns. Perhaps you forgot Jp and meant for King to be one of the unkowns albeit, usual self. Do you have any other opinions of King?

Here's the list as I have it:
The Players....
----------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
swayde-investigated townie/possible HP
zsand
DD
plant
ogre
charlie
kotd
deputy-Herbalist,townie
ice-Wharlock, presumed townie
bluerat
jpap

2 knowns and 9 unknowns and I'm counting Swayde as an unknown because as Ice has stated she could also be the HP, which I'm not sure I see.

[ZSandmann]

Ice I believe is Innocent and the Warlock.
DeputyChief I believe is Innocent and the Herbalist
Swayde I presume to be innocent
Charlie -7
jpappy -7
DangerDoll -6
plantling -6
bluerat - 4
Ogre -3
King -3

This is my list. King and Ogre have both decided to start playing the game since the start of today. Ogre was leading the votes until King popped in to tie things up with less than 1 hour till Night. Since Brk didn't vote the tie automatically went to him.

Ogre leaves jpappy off his list "because it was jpappys list". Well it's also convient that Ice and some of the others I presume to be Innocents suspect jpappy and he left him off, but accuses me of protecting him. Well ok, I am protecting him because I believe he is Innocent.

bluerat comes in third on the list only because of her lack of posting. I don't have as much to compare her to the other I believe Innocent and Witch. Yes, there are probably more than 2-3 Witches but that is as far as my confidence goes.

I vote to burn King.

But am just as confident voting Ogre. I think there is good support that they are working like a sleep cell, and they are connected. We need to get a Witch Tonight.

[jpappy789]

I really like the KOTD vote. He has been quiet all game and his votes do not make any sense imo. I also would have expected a whole big blown out of proportion reaction from KOTD if he was innocent and getting votes. Maybe his teammates told him to settle down if he got voted for..?

I vote to burn KOTD at the stake

[ZSandmann]

This is an attempt to try and show the connection I see between these two. It isn't easy with the low post counts and they only directly reply to one another once. Never mention each other when mentioning namers either.


I liked Hot Fuzz better, Z.

OK, we need to hear from some people.

I vote to lynch sploke. A known shady character... and quiet to boot. Obviously witchy.
A real early vote for the Prophet based on how he has played in past games? This is almost like how Ice always wants DD out. :grinno:

just got my PM :)


"It said, 'Your Pet May be an Extraterrestrial' and 'The Ghost of Elvis is Living in My Den'

Oh, Midnight Star... I want to know, I want to know"


;)
King "gets his PM"

I'm comfortable with my vote ;)
On sploke

EDIT - DOUBLE POST

plant, i had just signed on at the time
Much later why it took so long for him to get it.

Set youe AC settings to no avatars and no signatures.


Basically, I think that this newbie is a witch and is a candidate for burning.
Because Brk wants to check the site from work he is a Witch?

Agree. Hey Ice, you forgot to include DD on the anti-newbie thing.

This is very suspicious. It's almost exactly like a 'don't kill the known bad guy', instead, ignore tham and try to find more bad guys.... which is a terrible strategy.

This post strikes me as very anti-town.

Here's a reaction... notice how Ice's list includes the better players. This would be a great list for a witch to throw out, it includes myself, DD, Z... some of the better investigators.

Besides, I've only made like four posts. How can you get a feeling on me?

I was about to change to Br... but now, I'm thinking Ice might get my vote. He appears to be very anti-town.



Whatever, I'm defensive. What about your post? That sounds pretty defensive to me. Pot calling the kettle black... I am assuming you're still using a black cauldron there witch-boy. Haven't switched over to Calaphon?

If you aren't confident enough to vote on of the five on your list, then why even bring it up?.... oh, right, it was a trap. Good call. As I recall, whne I said that two games ago, you didn't take it so well. In fact, you wanted to lynch me. So now, I return the favor.

I vote to burn Ice on a stake, at noon, on the summer solstice. Because that's what my 'Little Book of Witch Hunting' says to do!


BTW: At this time, my top three for the coven are Ice, Br, and Deputy Chief.

DC is because Br thinks him innocent for no reason. He obviously knows who he is. Ice because he's defending Br.

Also, LadyG, I'm not sure I see the whole plantling thing.
Hey I voted for Lady G too, but you named all known or assumed Innocent's here. That's not enought o believe you are a Witch though. WE, and here I mean everyone remaining, have not burned a Witch yet. So all our suspect ists were off obviously. But you are going after strong players with very little provocation.

this is interesting, we all know RB likes to give us clues..no doubt in my mind this is one..
About the spells.

im going to hold off my vote until i see some more explanations to this clue, doesn't seem like many people even noticed it..but lets see.


this is a very good post, very logical..i can definitely see the point about LG, and i have been suspicious of her since my first post..

so for now, i vote to burn ladyG
In response to DD's analysis of the spells.

Guys, can I say something about this whole 'Rb's hints' thing?

It's almost ridiculous. The town has won almost every game ever played here. We don't need any hints from the ref to figure stuff out. We'll get there. Unless Rb made it 7 witches to 8 townies, then we're going to win (am I the only one that reads a double entandra here?)... it will just take some time. The bad guys will screw up somewhere.

In the interest of full disclosure... I figure I can bring this up as I'm not 'implicated' in the 'hints'. If someone else had said this, you guys would be jumping all over it.


the town has won games on RB hints and clues before.

i dont remember which game it was, but the last time i was mafia, we had a town sweep going, until RB gave the town clues, which led them to a win.

i don't like the fact that you dont even want to give the clues a chance..they ARE here to help the town out when it needs some help..do you not want to help the town?, could one or two of your buddies be in trouble due to these clues?

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm
This is the only time King and Ogre directly cross post. Ogre never answers him and no one else mentions it. Why is it that they NEVER mention one another? One takes a pro-clues stance, and one takes an anti-clues stance. It does indeed make me go Hmmmm.

OK guys, it's heroes, chuck and the big bang theory tonight so I'm out until 9:30 or so. I'm comfortable with my vote on Ice.
--DAY 2--

well..we didn't have a productive night..obviously..but when have we ever taken out 2 or the evils in the first night?

i should have taken my vote off of LG..BUT i can't take that back now..SORRY LADY!

i guess we really just need to work as a group, even if there are witches among us..they will slip up and make catchable mistakes like always..
Ok below he clarifies the Or should be Of. I'm fine with that, but the statement as a whole makes no sense at all. Even we had burned a Witch that is only one Witch. How could we have gotten 2 Witches in one Day? Ther eis no Vigilante. There could be and were 2 Townies killed, it just seems like a strange Freudian slip to me. King maybe you can clarify this post for me.

My thoughts on the LadyG kill:

1) She seemed to agree with my suspect list of Ice, Br, and DC. This would merit a killing by the witches.

2) She's just that good a player.

3) Her agreeing with my list made her a good 'anti-target'. The list is pretty much wrong, but good enough to cause some on that list to be lynched, therefore killing an innocent.

If the kill was based on case two, then (no offense), but I think Ice and Z would be better targets than LadyG. She's in the top three, but the first one? Maybe maybe not

If it's based on case two, then we have a fairly weak witch team and we could confidently go forward with that list as a base.

If it's based on case 3, then we have a very powerful witch team and the three on that list are mostly innocent. That would lead me to suspect Zsand as a leading witch. The other potential witches (IMHO) aren't quite up to that serious misdirection on turn 1. They're leaving a lot of good players up and running.


Personally, I'm leaning toward case 1 with case three a close second. I'm curious as to others thoughts.


Actually, I don't think it depends on me being innocent or guilty. The fact that she agreed with my list the important bit (and the fact that she was innocent).

If I was guilty (I'm not, but 'if), then you just switch the 'then' part of the if-then statements and they are still valid.

I'm not asking you to believe my innocence (I'm not that naive). I'm just suggesting a couple of options for the reasoning behind G's death and what our likely responses could be.
Well obviously now it was closer to the case 3 scenario. But why would it have anything at all to do with YOUR list. You were barely in the game. Just seems like a big confusing conspiracy polt to cover for your vote.

part of DD's post

tail of rat
wing of bat
allow this cat to chit and chat! - Post 190

Not really sure of this as the visuals are all over our avatars and names. However, I do see the points brought up by you guys but I do think that either we are reading either too far into it or not enough. If I were to guess at a glance, it is saying to me that someone who drinks the witchy brew is quite talkative. That can be LG, she's got 67 posts here, while Z has 35posts and is in 2nd place then we have 3rd place Ice who has 27 posts.

agreeing with her logic towards LG

at the time i was suspicous of her, like i said..she gave me a bad feeling..so i voted, if i felt a better suspect came along, i would have taken my vote off her.
King uses other peoples post to pass the blame for his vote.

Just for list purposes... I still like Br. Ice and DC are also potential witches in my mind.


I think I'm going to vote for brk
He "thinks" he is

I have DC listed as one of my top contenders. I think all the reasons have already been stated.

There seems to me to be a connection between Ice and DC. I still like Ice as a witch, so that pushes DC to witchiness as well.

As to the fourth and/or possible fifth witches. I have no idea at this point.

I vote to burn brk
Oh yup he thought about it. Ice and DC were his "top contenders" but he votes for Brk with no explanation.

After a review of DC's posts. I find nothing terribly original in any of them. HE always seems to be agreeing with someone else or stating something obvious or without any support (" I still think DD is innocent and I'm beginning to believe Sway more now by some of her recent posts")

So, based on those weak findings, I'm still thinking he's witchy.
I actually agreed with him on this point. DC was trying to lay low by going with the flow.

After reviewing things. Apparently the connection between Ice and DC was in my own mind and just based on the fact that I thought them both witches.

Sorry.

That being said, I'm willing to leave off brk and switch to DC. It appears that a brk vote will be wasted and as long as I switch to someone else I believe to be a witch, then I'll be satisfied.

I retract my vote for brk and vote to burn DC at the stake.

P.S. I haven't been around as much as I could be, other things are going on at home, but I'm getting a little free time at work, so that's why my posting schedule seems off.
A vote on Brk was NOT a wasted vote. The "I'm willing" comment strikes me funny too.

I retract my vote from DC and vote to burn brk.

I thought that brk had only two votes. It's obvious I haven't been keeping up and I apologize.

I'm not quitting, but I'm probably not going to be very useful this game. Unless something is glaring obvious to me while I'm reading, I probably won't get much.

With DC being the herbalist, that kind of limits my suspect list to Ice and brk.

DCs revelation makes it more likely to me that Ice is a witch. Because it is much less likely that he is a power role. I guess he could still be innocent, but I'm leaning witchy for him.
So he goes back to Brk. He really doesn't have a choice he has penned himself in with his comments. Notice that Ice, DC, and Brk are the only three he ever talks about. Why not look into other players?

Since I'll probably miss the finale tonight. Here's my final list...

DC, suggest that the investigator check out Ice tonight and tell you the results. That way, you can everyone tomorrow. You also don't have to tell us who you protect, so you MIGHT be able to get away with the switch-a-roo. The witches might waste a vote on you if you are being protected and they might not.

I know that statement looks fishy as all heck, but when you see that I'm innocent, you'll know I'm trying to help in whatever way I can.

brk is still my prime suspect for a witch. I'm also comfortable with Ice being a witch, hence the suggestion for an investigation.

If Ice is innocent, then look REAL hard at Z.

The witches are having a super easy time of it this round. There's not a lot of real useful discussion (partially my fault), there are two newbies to hide behind, and the town (meaning me) seems to have screwed the pooch by forcing DC to come out.

BTW: I wouldn't worry too much about the people voting for me. I've made myself an easy target. Sorry guys, my heart just isn't in this one.
His final list is the same as it has been the whole game. Ice and Brk, but now with having to drop DC he has to pick up someone else so he adds this "If Ice is Innocent, check out Z" caveat. Real convient, yes I'm voting for you. So were DC and Sway. But you can't go after them now can you? It's just too convient.

I didn't say you were a witch. I said to look real hard at you.
Which means you are saying I'm a witch.
In summary, I think your posts are trying very hard to be the same as always, but they are not quite the same as other games. It's a very subtle thing and I may be wrong. But Sway is innocent, DC, is innocent, LadyG, and JMax were innocent. I'm innocent, that's 5 right there. There's a 50/50 shot for everyone else. It's down to the very subtle clues.

You are wrong, but that's OK.
There ya go, it's a 50/50 shot huh? No for you it is a 100% shot at getting the town to burn another Innocent.

sorry all, spent most of the day with my mom and grandmother.

im torn between ogre and BKW right now, i'm not to sure about either..but b has been extra quiet(as have i)..but i had somewhere to be..

lets make things interesting

i vote to burn BKW
Here comes King to burn BKW, oh wait...

lmao

i get him and brk confused all the time

i vote to burn brk
Still after being asked two or three times no solid answer as to where "all the time" occurs. It wasn't here. In you notes? In a private forum? In a chat somewhere?

But this is semantics. What matters is who was voted for. The correct name was applied with 29 minutes till Night. At that time Ogre was leading the votes by 1. This vote tied things up. And since Brk did not vote, that made him automatically be chosen I am sure. That is just very convienent.

I hope that made sense, it is harder to pin King down because he posted less than Ogre, but that late vote really seals it for me. I tried just making these points in just my own words, but I just didn't think people were seeing the connection so hopefully these posts show the real and true Townies what I feel is going on.

[jpappy789]

Nice job Zs. That really strengthens my suspicions of ogre. And I am beginning to trust you more but not completely...

Right now I have:

Ogre-3
KOTD-3
Chas-4
bluerat-4
plant-5
Zs-6
DD-6
Swayde-9
Ice-9
DC-10

[IceH2O]

I'm just to good at my job, 1:00 and theres no jobs for me, I need to learn to slow down.

Question here Z about this post.



Ice I believe is Innocent and the Warlock.
DeputyChief I believe is Innocent and the Herbalist
Swayde I presume to be innocent
Charlie -7
jpappy -7
DangerDoll -6
plantling -6
bluerat - 4
Ogre -3
King -3

This is my list. King and Ogre have both decided to start playing the game since the start of today. Ogre was leading the votes until King popped in to tie things up with less than 1 hour till Night. Since Brk didn't vote the tie automatically went to him.

Ogre leaves jpappy off his list "because it was jpappys list". Well it's also convient that Ice and some of the others I presume to be Innocents suspect jpappy and he left him off, but accuses me of protecting him. Well ok, I am protecting him because I believe he is Innocent.

bluerat comes in third on the list only because of her lack of posting. I don't have as much to compare her to the other I believe Innocent and Witch. Yes, there are probably more than 2-3 Witches but that is as far as my confidence goes.

I vote to burn King.

But am just as confident voting Ogre. I think there is good support that they are working like a sleep cell, and they are connected. We need to get a Witch Tonight.

Why bring up that Ogre left Jpap off the list as a protection ploy and then claim yourself that you think jpap is innocent?

I like the case you brought against Ogre, but I still feel that KOTDs name on that update with the spell is telling us those people are innocents. The vote that saved Ogre does stand out though.

Time to look into Sway a little more.

Have to work on my car, it wouldn't start up for my wife when she went to go grocery shopping, glad it was here and not there when it decided to die.

[bluerat]

i keep wondering if ogre has developed a split personality . for most part he has kept himself so laid back i thought he was asleep and now he has come back as if a rocket has been lit. i think now more so that he is now no longer an innocent . it seems that he for most part was a watcher now he wants to stir to see who will bite.
and ice im not at all comfortable with making a list bully me as much as you like im not happy doing that perhaps when im ready will but not yet . if this makes you more suspisious then so be it , there is not much i can do about it.

[Dangerdoll]

does anyone have a vote count?

[ZSandmann]

I'm just to good at my job, 1:00 and theres no jobs for me, I need to learn to slow down.

Question here Z about this post.




Why bring up that Ogre left Jpap off the list as a protection ploy and then claim yourself that you think jpap is innocent?

I like the case you brought against Ogre, but I still feel that KOTDs name on that update with the spell is telling us those people are innocents. The vote that saved Ogre does stand out though.

Time to look into Sway a little more.

Have to work on my car, it wouldn't start up for my wife when she went to go grocery shopping, glad it was here and not there when it decided to die.

Not as a protection ploy. As a way to drag a Innocent down with him if he goes. Example: Ogre gets burned and we see he is a Witch. We look at that list, see jpappy isn't there and that is is jpappys list and go after jpappy as an accomplise. That's what I meant, sorry I wasn't clear.

[ZSandmann]

For you DD:

ZSandmann: Ogre
jpappy: charlie
King: Swayde, plantling, ZSandmann, jpappy
bluerat: Ice, Ice

Remember Ice counts twice. Hey that rhymes. :D

[ZSandmann]

Your not Vanilla Ice Ice baby are ya?

[Dangerdoll]

LOL ZS cut that out!!

ok, thanks for the list, Z.... you're making it hard to suspect you.... however I still have a feeling on pappy.... and am not sold on King.... however I do know our numbers are dwindling so more and more of this list is witchy.... dangit!! Wait.... brb.... I just forgot something!

ZSandmann: Ogre
jpappy: charlie
King: Swayde, plantling, ZSandmann, jpappy
bluerat: Ice, Ice

[Dangerdoll]

im beginning to wonder if you might be more than you seem. i for a newbie at this is bound to be a little confused , as i never played before but your lack of opinions is bothering even me. the only one you have really jumped on was ice and he was trying to help all with his postings so on this
i vote burn ogre

this post I find interesting. Blue, you go on to chastise Ogre for lack of opinions, hmmmm..... but who else is guilty of this lack.... give you a hint, rhymes with truecat.

[ZSandmann]

I expect to be suspected. There are only three of us that I don't suspect: Ice, DC, and Swayde. Yes Swayde could be the HP but I haven't seen any reason to think that.

[ZSandmann]

this post I find interesting. Blue, you go on to chastise Ogre for lack of opinions, hmmmm..... but who else is guilty of this lack.... give you a hint, rhymes with truecat.

truecat :laugh: I find bluerat somewhat suspicious, but how much is newbieness I don't know. There have to be some Witches unless Rb is playing one heck of a Halloween Trick on us. Who was it that said, There is no spoon, there is no Mafia?

[Dangerdoll]

i keep wondering if ogre has developed a split personality . for most part he has kept himself so laid back i thought he was asleep and now he has come back as if a rocket has been lit. i think now more so that he is now no longer an innocent . it seems that he for most part was a watcher now he wants to stir to see who will bite.
and ice im not at all comfortable with making a list bully me as much as you like im not happy doing that perhaps when im ready will but not yet . if this makes you more suspisious then so be it , there is not much i can do about it.
I fail to see Ogre coming out like a rocket has been lit. Do I believe Ogre is innocent, no but it looks to me like you might be trying to distance yourself from him.

[bluerat]

DD im only picking up on what i have read and yes i am guilty of limited postings , but as i sit here and read all this ,im learning how to play too. you are at an advantage to me having played before, in some of the threads people refer to past games ,and you will remember their game play .
so it may seem im looking throught the window and watching what goes on

[ZSandmann]

bluerat you have an advantage as well. We have no idea how you play.

[bluerat]

ahh i see your point perhaps i am being a bit blinkered

[ZSandmann]

blinkered = ?

I'm imaginging a car signal flashing. lol.

[bluerat]

thanks its more like a plough horse lol

[Dangerdoll]

hmmmm.... I vote to lynch bluerat

[Swayde]

Ice, I can promise you I am not the High Priest. I know that doubts will exist, and they should, but there's not much I can do to prove myself aside from play the game as best I can to help burn witches. I did admit my game has been off. I'm on new allergy medicine and also trying to listen to an audio book "The Game of Thrones" by George R. R. Martin. It's due back tomorrow and I am almost done so I will be able to give more attention to the game. I'm on disk 26 of 27. If you truly feel I am a witch, then burn me.

I still believe KoTD is a witch. I am fairly sure Ogre is. I am as sure as I can be that Ice is a townie. I disagree however on Bluerat, so my vote will not go there. I am unsure on anyone else. One minute I feel they are innocent, and then I feel they are witches.

[Dangerdoll]

worded that wrong, sorry.... I vote to burn Bluerat

[jpappy789]

I was looking back at Kings vote for Bkw/brkd and his reasoning seems...lame...


sorry all, spent most of the day with my mom and grandmother.

im torn between ogre and BKW right now, i'm not to sure about either..but b has been extra quiet(as have i)..but i had somewhere to be..

lets make things interesting

i vote to burn BKW

He uses the reason that b had been too quiet to vote for him. Then he admits the he himself has been quiet as well...but that doesn't mean he's a witch because he had somewhere to be? I honestly do not see a reason to vote for brkd other than to save his witch friend ogre (who he is "torn between") and to "make things interesting"

And I am not so stuck up on the username mix-up but I do wonder if that shows that KOTD was skimming...hmmmm...

I just wanted to post this as more reason for my vote on him before.

[bluerat]

well i have decided on my top 3,
on a gut feeling i still think Ogre is a witch, i think Plant is too as she did not want to place her vote on him yesterday, and i also think DD is involved too as she questioned those who voted Plant
and those who are least likely are Ice and DC as they are warlock and herbalist.
and those who are in between i am undecided on only time will tell
so i will stick with my vote of yesterday i vote burn ogre

[Dangerdoll]

The reason I questioned those who voted for plant is because I needed clarification, Blue, nothing more.... I could understand your problem with it if I either tried to protect her or tried to build a train on her of which I did neither. Funny how you would note on that though.... solidifies my reason to vote for you.

[jpappy789]

Interesting blue how you picked out plant. Many people did not vote ogre. And people voted plantling the first night so I am confused as to why you brought that up now...

[bluerat]

perhaps DD the nothing more is a distraction to create more distanace between you and plant...............

[jpappy789]

perhaps DD the nothing more is a distraction to create more distanace between you and plant...............

Why those reasons blue...they are very weak.

[jpappy789]

And how would questioning a vote create distance between them? If anything it could be considered defending but I don't think that is what it was.

[OgreMkV]

I'm sorry guys, I really let the town down.

Now my question of Z is this... You say that there is a link between KOTD and myself... yet we never talkde with each other, never argued with each other. The only thing that I did was not answer a question of his.

Now, you on the other hand have defended jpappy, not once, but three times without a real shred of evidence. Plus, as anyone who will review your posts will see, you are doing the same thing that you accuse DC of doing... that is posts that don't mean anything.

Your style is waaaay off Z. Now, your jumping on me because I'm an easy target, but you don't vote for me because I've basically called you out. When I am revealed as an innocent, then you will have a lot of explaining to to do and it is possible that you will blow your cover.

BTW: I also agree that KOTD looks witchy. I don't recall if he has ever been a bad guy, but his very laid back and low post style is a great cover if he is.

My current list.

Zs- 2
jpappy - 3
KOTD-4
bluerat-4
Chas-5
plant-5
DD-5
Swayde-9
Ice-9
DC-10
Ogre-10

I'm not sure what else to do... I've reviewed jpappy's post and they seem to be much like Zs... lots of fluff, but not as much useful content as should be there.

Now there are a few easy targets out there, so the witches can feel safe going for them.

Additional thoughts: Even if there are only four witches, they still might be willing to put out a sacrificial lamb like KOTD or bluerat. They could be thinking that the most likely people to get hit by Ice's convert spell are actually innocent, so they'll get their numbers back up and Ice won't know what happened.

Ice, I implore you, don't hit me with the spell. I won't suggest another target, because you won't believe anything I say. Just please be careful.

If you lynch me or convert me tonight, then take a good solid look at my list today.

If KOTD is a witch, is DOES NOT automatically clear anyone who voted for him.

[IceH2O]

Ice, I can promise you I am not the High Priest. I know that doubts will exist, and they should, but there's not much I can do to prove myself aside from play the game as best I can to help burn witches. I did admit my game has been off. I'm on new allergy medicine and also trying to listen to an audio book "The Game of Thrones" by George R. R. Martin. It's due back tomorrow and I am almost done so I will be able to give more attention to the game. I'm on disk 26 of 27. If you truly feel I am a witch, then burn me.

I still believe KoTD is a witch. I am fairly sure Ogre is. I am as sure as I can be that Ice is a townie. I disagree however on Bluerat, so my vote will not go there. I am unsure on anyone else. One minute I feel they are innocent, and then I feel they are witches.

After reading your posts I believe you are innocent. With the low amount of posts it was much easier. You were on a lot of innocents to begin with but who wasn't?




ahh i see your point perhaps i am being a bit blinkered

blink·ered (blngkrd)
adj.
Subjective and limited, as in viewpoint or perception

I think Blue might just be a newbie innocent. But it is hard to tell with such limited posting to read through.

I retract my vote on Blue

I want to look into the other names being thrown around.

[ZSandmann]

That's a long post to do nothing more than apologize. I'm not voting for you because I think Kings vote makes him more likely to be a Witch. Don't worry though I will be putting your name in bold ink soon enough. I find it funny that all my posts are filler and fluff to you, as you've not tried to raise a case against anyone or stick your neck out till today when your name started getting thrown around. Your list was Ice, DC, and Brk. They are all known Innocent's or close enough now.


Now my question of Z is this... You say that there is a link between KOTD and myself... yet we never talkde with each other, never argued with each other. The only thing that I did was not answer a question of his.


Well it's not a question it's a statement but yes, I think your lack of talking is the link. I'm sure you've talked plenty in private. Hard to argue when you are fixated on three people.

My lack of evidence for pappy is the reason I believe he is Innocent. I want the Town to win, I want the Innocent's to stay alive. If jpappy is so guilty please show me YOUR evidence. All I've seen is smoke and a whole lot of frustration coming my direction.

[jpappy789]

I'm sorry guys, I really let the town down.

Now my question of Z is this... You say that there is a link between KOTD and myself... yet we never talkde with each other, never argued with each other. The only thing that I did was not answer a question of his.

Now, you on the other hand have defended jpappy, not once, but three times without a real shred of evidence. Plus, as anyone who will review your posts will see, you are doing the same thing that you accuse DC of doing... that is posts that don't mean anything.

Your style is waaaay off Z. Now, your jumping on me because I'm an easy target, but you don't vote for me because I've basically called you out. When I am revealed as an innocent, then you will have a lot of explaining to to do and it is possible that you will blow your cover.

BTW: I also agree that KOTD looks witchy. I don't recall if he has ever been a bad guy, but his very laid back and low post style is a great cover if he is.

My current list.

Zs- 2
jpappy - 3
KOTD-4
bluerat-4
Chas-5
plant-5
DD-5
Swayde-9
Ice-9
DC-10
Ogre-10

I'm not sure what else to do... I've reviewed jpappy's post and they seem to be much like Zs... lots of fluff, but not as much useful content as should be there.

Now there are a few easy targets out there, so the witches can feel safe going for them.

Additional thoughts: Even if there are only four witches, they still might be willing to put out a sacrificial lamb like KOTD or bluerat. They could be thinking that the most likely people to get hit by Ice's convert spell are actually innocent, so they'll get their numbers back up and Ice won't know what happened.

Ice, I implore you, don't hit me with the spell. I won't suggest another target, because you won't believe anything I say. Just please be careful.

If you lynch me or convert me tonight, then take a good solid look at my list today.

If KOTD is a witch, is DOES NOT automatically clear anyone who voted for him.

Interesting statement Ogre...you quoted all of Zs's posts that seemed to be "fluff" but now you say that mine are? Do you expect the town to trust you on a statement like that? I admit that I was wrong about a lot of people but I can not see how MY posts are "fluff". If anything yours were until people started calling you out. Then you became all sad because you let the town down. Then you throw a few names out there to distract people. Nice try...

[ZSandmann]

Sorry Ice, that was at Ogre.

[ZSandmann]

lol I'm crossposting like crazy.

[plantling]

well i have decided on my top 3,
on a gut feeling i still think Ogre is a witch, i think Plant is too as she did not want to place her vote on him yesterday, and i also think DD is involved too as she questioned those who voted Plant
and those who are least likely are Ice and DC as they are warlock and herbalist.
and those who are in between i am undecided on only time will tell
so i will stick with my vote of yesterday i vote burn ogre

LOL. Well, Bluerat, at least you're posting more now. As I stated, I didn't vote for Ogre yesterday because I believe he is busy in real life. I think the people who voted for me and JMax that first day were all questioned why they voted us. Sometimes after a confusing night of voting, people get questioned about their voting. It shows me you're trying harder to play the game, though.

[OgreMkV]

I told you guys that I was barely even reading the game for the first two days. I've been out of it.

I'm not 100% back, but I am back. There is a firm link between Z and jpapp (maybe only one way, but there it is).

At the time, I had three names and I thought they were good. I have since learned differently. See, I change my mind when new information comes to light.

So bring it. Oh, wait, you're going after KOTD today. You won't go after me because you know I'm innocent.

With you two (Z and jpap), then I would have the lead in votes. Add Ice and probably sway and I'm dead... but that would show I'm innocent and you guys don't want that. You want a train to form on me that doesn't include you two so that when I do show up innocent, you can say, "Well, I didn't believe him, but he was right."

I may not be useful this time around, but I'm not a bad guy.

[ZSandmann]

All I can say to the Town is read Ogre's list of my posts, and read my list of his posts and decide who is fluff. I've spent a LOT of time on this thread this week. I've tried to imagine the scenarios and analyze posts. If that is fluff then so be it.

The players that sign up and drop a few posts a day, mainly to vote do nothing but confuse the Town. This game is fun and addictive, and the real world calls, I understand that. But if you commit to playing then those excuses become the real fluff. That is why I have pretty much stopped saying when I go to bed, or a meeting, a take a duece (sorry for the imagery). If I'm not here, I'm somewhere else. And probably still thinking about the game :D

[OgreMkV]

True, Z. But there's also a difference between real fluff and fluff as a cover for being a bad guy. That's what I'm saying you're doing... fluff as a cover.

[ZSandmann]

I told you guys that I was barely even reading the game for the first two days. I've been out of it.

I'm not 100% back, but I am back. There is a firm link between Z and jpapp (maybe only one way, but there it is).

At the time, I had three names and I thought they were good. I have since learned differently. See, I change my mind when new information comes to light.

So bring it. Oh, wait, you're going after KOTD today. You won't go after me because you know I'm innocent.

With you two (Z and jpap), then I would have the lead in votes. Add Ice and probably sway and I'm dead... but that would show I'm innocent and you guys don't want that. You want a train to form on me that doesn't include you two so that when I do show up innocent, you can say, "Well, I didn't believe him, but he was right."

I may not be useful this time around, but I'm not a bad guy.

Aren't we just going in circles now?
Not been reading the thread. CHECK
JPappy is the Devil and I'm his valet. CHECK
List of three suspects. CHECK
You are just an Innocent. CHECK
I won't vote for you because,... (See Above) CHECK

You didn't say you were sorry this time.

[IceH2O]

I told you guys that I was barely even reading the game for the first two days. I've been out of it.

I'm not 100% back, but I am back. There is a firm link between Z and jpapp (maybe only one way, but there it is).

At the time, I had three names and I thought they were good. I have since learned differently. See, I change my mind when new information comes to light.

So bring it. Oh, wait, you're going after KOTD today. You won't go after me because you know I'm innocent.

With you two (Z and jpap), then I would have the lead in votes. Add Ice and probably sway and I'm dead... but that would show I'm innocent and you guys don't want that. You want a train to form on me that doesn't include you two so that when I do show up innocent, you can say, "Well, I didn't believe him, but he was right."

I may not be useful this time around, but I'm not a bad guy.


I might have believed this if you used the comment in the posts before you became a top suspect. I know admitting to skimming is a no no but if you had said you were busy and that while you couldn't spend as much time studying the posts I might have bought it.

But you went after the 3 of us pretty hard. when you did post. What exactly were you basing it on if you weren't exactly reading the thread?

Was it the fact you already knew?

[ZSandmann]

I've never been a fluffer. Sorry. :lipssealedsmilie:

[charlie_stubbs]

I told you guys that I was barely even reading the game for the first two days. I've been out of it.
Look townies, I see a white knight riding in to save us....wait....that's not a knight, that's an Ogre. Oh well. It's the best we got. Nice to see you finally turning over some stones
I'm not 100% back, but I am back. There is a firm link between Z and jpapp (maybe only one way, but there it is).
Unlike the supposed link between Ice and DC, i actually think i see a connection with these two. If Jpap is a witch (and I think he is), then Z is likely also a witch
At the time, I had three names and I thought they were good. I have since learned differently. See, I change my mind when new information comes to light.

So bring it. Oh, wait, you're going after KOTD today. You won't go after me because you know I'm innocent.

With you two (Z and jpap), then I would have the lead in votes. Add Ice and probably sway and I'm dead... but that would show I'm innocent and you guys don't want that. You want a train to form on me that doesn't include you two so that when I do show up innocent, you can say, "Well, I didn't believe him, but he was right."

I may not be useful this time around, but I'm not a bad guy.
My suspect list:
Jpap
Ogre
ZS

[charlie_stubbs]

edit:
jpap
KOTD
ZS

i have Ogre leaning innocent, again

[ZSandmann]

Charlie you're kicking the wrong weasel.

(Sorry this post is just fluff)

[jpappy789]

Ogre:

I think the fact that you were not in the game as often made people turn off their suspicions of you until you started posting again. I'll admit that it was a nice cover at the beginning.

But that has nothing to do with which side you are on. I used that because you keep saying how me and Zs are not posting anything helpful while trying to look that way. But you yourself are not doing anything but try to confuse the town by throwing names out there without any evidence. You have yet to make a solid case against me or Zs. You are just using your opinions on our posts to justify your suspicions. A lot of the posts you quoted from Zs were from the first day and early the second and a lot of times you said he did not have any strong opinions on people aka he had noncommital or "fluffy" posts . Well what you you expect from people that early? And then you switched over to some posts of his which mentioned your name. Not sure how those incriminate Zs in any way. Seemed more like you trying to defend yourself.

And I do not know you are innocent. You could be but I highly doubt that.

[jpappy789]

Hmmm Chas has basically the same suspect list as ogre and he has him leaning innocent. Do you think that would be enough to justify a "connection"?

[IceH2O]

I see Jpap and Z watching over one another right now but why do it so obviously and out front?

If they kept their distance and one was lynched the 2nd one wouldn't be an automatic lynch choice. I KNOW they are better players then to just come out like that.

I don't know why Charlie trusts Ogre. I didn't see anything on Charlie but his posting has been pretty limited also. 45 total posts and I believe most of them are probably 2 liners.

I think if Ogre is witch then Charlie is also. If Charlie is evil then the update vote and spell combo is meaningless.

Charlie did vote for Bkr and DC.

[charlie_stubbs]

Hmmm Chas has basically the same suspect list as ogre and he has him leaning innocent. Do you think that would be enough to justify a "connection"?
If we both think your a witch, and you are, yes i would see a connection. We would both be as good as innocent.

If you turn out to be innocent (doubtful) then I will be the first one banging on Ogre's door the next day.

If you're a witch, I will be banging on ZS's door next.

[charlie_stubbs]

I see Jpap and Z watching over one another right now but why do it so obviously and out front?

If they kept their distance and one was lynched the 2nd one wouldn't be an automatic lynch choice. I KNOW they are better players then to just come out like that.

I don't know why Charlie trusts Ogre. I didn't see anything on Charlie but his posting has been pretty limited also. 45 total posts and I believe most of them are probably 2 liners.
I wouldn't say i trust him so much as its hard to name him as a suspect when his top suspect (Jpap) is also mine.
I think if Ogre is witch then Charlie is also. If Charlie is evil then the update vote and spell combo is meaningless.

Charlie did vote for Bkr and DC.
Ummmm they did seem to be suspicious at the time, particularly Brk. I thought DC was posting strangely. Turns out he was a PR. It's not the first time I've confused the two

[jpappy789]

The case for Zsandmann. This is only a small collection of his posts. I ignored at least half of them because they were useless posts. I also skipped his vote counts.

The attempt is to show that Z, while appearing useful and playing his normal style has not been playing his normal style... please follow along.



All this is true, but JM always plays that way. nothing really here...



But you voted for her previously...intersting but day 1 voting is always weird so not really worth mentioning



brk's room thing. Hey, I thought he was guilty too.so then why bring it up?



Take a careful look at how neutral this post is. Without really seeming too, he defends himself, lays blame on myself and charlie. He thens says some totally non-commital things about bluerat. And the clues...why does a neutral post matter? especially this early...



Good leg work.



I think we can all agree with this.so why bring it up?



Same thing



noncommittal



noncommittal. Comments, but nothing one way or another.



Nice long post... full of sound and fury signifying nothing.



noncommittal oh jeez...this is the third time you used noncommital to describe Zs's posts from DAY ONE!



Asking others opinions? why ask how many others believe one way or another? Why are even considering others opinions... unless you know how you want to vote, but just want support? Not asking for evidence either!



Still on the 'hints' the hints were important discussion at the time, and i think it was important to at least get peoples opinions on them. you were the only one who flat out said not to look into them at all I believe



Same thing as previous two posts.



Nice observations... again showing that he's trying to help the town, but is it really help? why even bother asking this...its all a matter of opinion





Agreeing with Ice... these are 'safe' topics because they can't be used to track witchiness ok...nice conjecture but that doesn't really prove anything



Still no strong opinions. wow its still really early in the game...how strong do your opinions have to be?!



Again another thinking post. Looks important, but it really isn't



This is response to mmy scenarios for LadyG's killing. and they were good options as well so I see no reaon to use this post





nothing post



Defending jpappy



This is the most commited he's been. Sure, it's still day 2 at this point, but it seems odd. It looks like the vote is following a building train... that won't make it because everyone seems to be piling on brk yea its day two. and what is your point? how could this look like he is following the train when he is the first one to vote for DC?



nothing post





Evidence against DC, but it's not really evidence. It is an analysis of his post... sort of. huh? Dc was a suspect and i think many people questioned his drunken posting.



Same thing.



Almost totally noncommittal list. He is basically agreeing with all to date. He mentioned the top people on his list earlier so I dont see how this could be agreeing with everyone seeing as that other post was early in day two



Retracts Dc



I told you I hadn't really been playing... sigh. But why jump back on the train? now the defending begins



Defending jpappy again!



Yeah, I know.





He;s been defeding jpap the whole time and will now rethink. I'm willing to bet that if a jpappy train forms, he'll be on it.

Like I said, I haven't even posted half of his useless posts/and I'm sure you left out some more important ones as well...

I vote to burn Zsandmann

Personally I find this entire case fluff. I don't exactly see how this proves Zs to be a witch...

[IceH2O]

Charlie, I can't blame you for your votes as I thought DC was evil also, but not till day 2.

But the fact that you were on both is suspicious.

I need Ogre to answer why he was so dead set on voting Ice DC Bkr as a team when he admits he wasn't reading.

[jpappy789]

Chas I find it odd for you to really agree with anyone...

You cant trust ogre but you cannot name him as a suspect because I am both of your top suspects...is that your reasoning for having him leaning innocent before?

[jpappy789]

I am updating my list:

Witches
KOTD-2
Ogre-3
Chas-4
bluerat-5
plant-5
Zs-5
DD-7
sway-9
DC-9
Ice-9
Innocents

[OgreMkV]

Charlie, I can't blame you for your votes as I thought DC was evil also, but not till day 2.

But the fact that you were on both is suspicious.

I need Ogre to answer why he was so dead set on voting Ice DC Bkr as a team when he admits he wasn't reading.

All of your posts were odd. bkr's looked suspicious, especially how their voting and later evidences looked like they were being coached.

Ice, I think what did it for you was the early day 1 list of five. We still don't know how many witches there are, but you had this list and seemed very dead set on it.

DC, I agreed with other's arguments against him and added him to my collection.


jpappy... the fact that I repeated the same thing several times is not an indication of how weak my arguement is... it is the argument. And yes, it is my opinion that Z is not playing like he has been in the past. It is my opinion that his posts are little more than agreeing with others, asking weak questions, and basically saying that he has no opinion on anyone. In other words, camo-fluff.

Look at what he wrote... but then you're his partner in evil aren't you. Now you are defending him, like he's been defending you.

[jpappy789]

If we were both witches we wouldn't be defending each other in the first place. I just think your case for Zs is weak and the fact that you are using that to justify your suspicions of him is why I believe you are a witch.

You kept saying Zs was "noncomittal" on day one. What is he supposed to do, name a few people he already thinks are witches? Remember...DAY ONE!!!

[charlie_stubbs]

Chas I find it odd for you to really agree with anyone...

You cant trust ogre but you cannot name him as a suspect because I am both of your top suspects...is that your reasoning for having him leaning innocent before?
While i don't fully trust Ogre, if he is supicious of you and King, and i am also supicious of you and King, I have to think to myself, "He wouldn't name two of his evil teamates would he???" While it might be distancing, the fact he seems to be looking in the same direction i am makes it look like he is innocent, at least to me

[jpappy789]

Makes sense. But the fact that you agree with him makes me suspicious of you.

[Rbishop]

To burn at the stake....

ogre (1) by blue 713

kotd (4) by sway 675 plant 678 zsand 689 jpap 690

jpap (1) by charlie 672

bluerat (1) by DD 711

zsand (1) by ogre 656

8 of 11 having voted...

3 with no current votes... Deputy, Ice, KOTD...


Nightfall at 8 PM EST, Friday, 10/19

[IceH2O]

What if Deputy votes Ogre, I'll jump on Ogre that'll make it 4-4 KOTD will either jump on a nobody or Ogre, Ogre will have to jump onto KOTD to save himself. If anyone jumps on KOTD or Ogre after the fact we'll know is protecting them.

If the consensus is they are both witch then we have nothing to lose right? A tie becomes random which in this case one of the evils go. I turn the other one the following Day.

I do want to say though I am not convinced KOTD is evil but on a witch to innocent scale 5 being the middle he is hovering at a 3.25 to 3.75.

[OgreMkV]

I'll stay on Z if you want to make that plan work Ice.