View Full Version : Angel Veil Rams HELP!
HisNewLove
11-06-2007, 6:47 PM
On Sunday I purchased 6 Angel Veil Rams all but 1 has not survived. The ammonia levels are good in fact they are 0. All other parameters are in range as well. Any clues as to what the heck is going on here. They were in a 10 gallon tank with 2 playties, it has been fully cycled etc. Any ideas
What about the difference between your pH and the lfs'?:) How did you acclimate them?
HisNewLove
11-06-2007, 7:16 PM
We have had no issue with pH at all we do the whole thing with floating the bag and then adding an ounce of our water after 20 minutes and we keep this up for quite sometime in fact my b/f is rather meticulous about it.
tarheels910
11-06-2007, 7:26 PM
10 gallon is way too small for 6 rams IMO. They probably died because of aggression issues.
HisNewLove
11-06-2007, 7:43 PM
in 2 days? They were in there for Quarentine, they were going into my 90 gallon
tarheels910
11-06-2007, 7:45 PM
Could have been aggression. Why not just put them into the 90 gallon? Or you could buy a couple at a time and qt them.
Cathy G
11-06-2007, 8:25 PM
What are your nitrates and what temperature is your tank?
Have you gone back to the fish store? If so, are their remaining rams still alive?
Cathy
Lupin
11-07-2007, 12:07 AM
Could have been aggression. Why not just put them into the 90 gallon? Or you could buy a couple at a time and qt them.
I really doubt aggression in such a short time. Rams do not often spar to death. They are undoubtedly sensitive and will die at times for no apparent reason at all. It is practical to perform quarantine. This is better than simply skipping it and eventually introduce diseases with disastrous results.
NewObsession
11-07-2007, 2:16 PM
Could have been aggression. Why not just put them into the 90 gallon? Or you could buy a couple at a time and qt them.
oops. didn't realize this was already posted. I have the same question in newbie forum..
just to clarify..the 90 gallon has been filled and running for all of 4-5 days. The rams were bought now becuase it was a "now or we don't know when we will have them again" thing
Star_Rider
11-07-2007, 2:27 PM
I would suspect the fish may not have been healthy to begin with.
however, if there is a significant difference in pH ..the float bag in tank and add water every 20 minutes may not be the best method.
research drip acclimation..it is done with marine fish and is the best way to allow the fish time to adjust. drip acclimation can take as long as 3-4 hours.
I do suspect there may have been health issues with those rams..and this is a good reason to practice good QT .
it is possible they carried a pathogen.
NewObsession
11-07-2007, 2:39 PM
could be. all the ones at the lfs are still alive..then again, who knows what was sold and what just um.. isn't there. I'll try the drip thing. we do have a high ph ( 8) and very hard water so it could be an acclimation issue.
Star_Rider
11-07-2007, 2:50 PM
test the water in the transport bag ..next time. that gives you a starting point .
NewObsession
11-07-2007, 2:58 PM
Excellent point. will try it tonight when we get more.
so, originally 2 male and 4 female were bought. not sure what the one or two remaining are. was plannign on buying 6 more tonight ( sold in 3's) too many? do I need to worry about m/f?
Star_Rider
11-07-2007, 3:23 PM
Excellent point. will try it tonight when we get more.
so, originally 2 male and 4 female were bought. not sure what the one or two remaining are. was plannign on buying 6 more tonight ( sold in 3's) too many? do I need to worry about m/f?
don't you have a post in a different forum with rams dying?
and in this post you have ammonia showing in the tests?
in that case you need to do water changes..rams are sensitive to ammonia, nitrites and even nitrates (blue rams)
NewObsession
11-07-2007, 4:13 PM
yes. sorry. didn't know g/f had started this thread in here.
Star_Rider
11-07-2007, 4:46 PM
lol..no problem.
just keep the water pristine till the bacteria can catch up..as long as some is present the tank may be only experiencing a mini cycle.
Cathy G
11-07-2007, 5:19 PM
Don't buy any more rams until your tank is cycled. Also, your pH is really high for rams...
Cathy
NewObsession
11-08-2007, 3:43 PM
Went to get the new rams. lfs guy said Ammonia was still stress level and even with a water change it was iffy. fortunately he said he had no problem holding them a few more days. Think we found the source of the ammonia being up.. that would be the AWOL ram.. that was found under a rock ( no clue how it got there). Hopefully with w/c and a couple of days things will even out.
Star_Rider
11-08-2007, 5:53 PM
that could be the reason ;)
do a large water change and monitor the parameters.
once the tank is stable you will want to add fish slowly. keep in mind tho that you should
look at qt for the new fish.
my concern is that the tank is fully established prior to adding more rams( species which historically does not do well in new tanks but seem to do better in a 'mature' tank.)