Mafia #18 The Santa Game

[Rbishop]

Early this evening, there was an accident, of sorts, out on the North highway. One of the good elves was taking Sant's sleigh out for a test run, after the tune up and addition of a GPS device. Seems that KOTD was designated as an empty spot, and the sleigh landed quite hard.

The good news is that the sleigh is still operational.

KOTD was an Innocent...

[Rbishop]

Some times things are done just for spite.

No participation in the thread, no vote, can't even talk with his comrades.

The Candy-Gram is delivered, and selfish as he appears to be, he ate it all.

And it was laced with some good stuff....that'll teach him...

Kuhliloach is gone from ACville...worthless Evil Elf that he was...

[Rbishop]

Game ON.....

Nightfall for Game Day #2 is at 8 PM EST, Saturday, 12/01....

[Hooked Newbie]

I'm sorry that I was wrong about you Lady and I'll accept the inevitable blame. Hope RL improves for you.

Overall, tonight sucked! At least Kuhli was evil. King- you have a bad habit of going by way of the UD.

Wow, hit on Andi... I gotta think that makes Ice, Coler, Mad, or My suspects close or them guilty. (I included myself for fairness). I think they're probably fishing for Santa. I wonder what they saw about Andi to waste a shot... will review. Seems that Charlie is once again my best suspect, but I do look forward to hearing from CL since he was so close to the block. Time for thoughts folks, no more secret hunches... we have the numbers, but not by much.

[jpappy789]

well I was 1/3 so far but I wasnt really considering kuhli so I dont know if that counts...god I hate Uds, but what can ya do?

[IceH2O]

Ok that sucked. How did Sploke not vote?

At least they didn't get a power role from the UDs/Hit and we did get an evil elf.

LG I hate you made that move because its the main reason I voted for you.

I'm going to start where I left off before night fall and get some answers from Niko.

I'd love to know why he decided to leave a vote on a player that wasn't even in the running and ended up being a UD when he either could have voted CL or LG to break the tie.

I vote to lynch Niko

[Lady G]

Lady G hopes the town can forgive her for her scummy moves that made her look so evil. She lays blame on no one but herself, how could they not think her evil with the things she said and did.

[IceH2O]

I'm sorry that I was wrong about you Lady and I'll accept the inevitable blame. Hope RL improves for you.

Overall, tonight sucked! At least Kuhli was evil. King- you have a bad habit of going by way of the UD.

Wow, hit on Andi... I gotta think that makes Ice, Coler, Mad, or My suspects close or them guilty. (I included myself for fairness). I think they're probably fishing for Santa. I wonder what they saw about Andi to waste a shot... will review. Seems that Charlie is once again my best suspect, but I do look forward to hearing from CL since he was so close to the block. Time for thoughts folks, no more secret hunches... we have the numbers, but not by much.


I hope that my posts on Andi wasn't the reason they thought her to be a Power Role. I was only questioning her flip flopping on the rules and her thoughts on them. I still would have voted her based on those posts as her explanations were not acceptable.

[andi872]

Andi must have been on to something to get hit so early..her town will get the evil

[IceH2O]

I'd also like to add that since Niko didn't vote either player that I'm thinking that Clown Lover might indeed be innocent and thats why Niko ran off with the vote tied as either way he would have been the deciding vote on an innocent.

[Dangerdoll]

gah!! I had a feeling G was innocent!! sorry G... I know things were rough for you in the day leading up to this night and I know how tough it is when other things are going on and you are questioned here... I just was not feeling it. It was questionable, but nothing more than that. As for Andi... I don't know why they would have decided on offing her... other than to try to confuse the town. This was the way I did it when I was Mafia.. looked to see what would confuse the town. This leads me to believe that maybe Charlie is wearing little elven shoes.... while thinking this, I wonder just where are you, Charlie, dear? I see a lot of confirming posts in your 13 posts, but no kicking down doors.

I also still have Niko in as a good suspect. Nothing can erase that 1st day post and his trying to wiggle out of it.

And CL... well, not sold on CL yet either, which is why I never switched to either him or G. I saw a lot of pointing fingers but nothing that screamed elf to me.

[IceH2O]

[quote=Coler;1179082][quote=jpappy789;1179078]at this point yes...but tomorrow may be different I dont know. I voiced my opinion and I have been seeing different gameplay from you.


Me thinks they protest too much, this looks like sibling like banter, which leads me to think they are trying to distance themselves from eachother cause thay are on the same EVIL team


That was post #291 and in it I have the quotes that back up my statement, and I've seen CL slide by before.

I vote to Lynch CL


Well Andi was mostly on Clown and Coler. I've already posted my thoughts on Clown being likely innocent for Nikos non vote, may as well be considered one considering where it ended up.

Coler is another player that bears watching, though Niko could have not voted for Clown because he is evil too and putting his vote on LG would have been the vote that killed her.

So I'm at a cross road here.

Niko evil for his non vote

Clown could be evil because of Nikos vote, so I take back my thoughts of innocence on him. Last game whenever people questioned Clown he turned them or hit them, same thing could be happening here.

Clown could be innocent, therefore Niko couldn't vote him either for the same reason he couldn't vote LG.

Coler could be either, but we wouldn't know without lynching him or Clown or investigating him and that does only 1 person any good as they can't come out and tell us.

My vote stands for now as its the one I'm most sure of at the moment.

[Rbishop]

Bala has been requested to deliver Present "A"......

[Hooked Newbie]

I fear my initial gut feel was correct. Coler has seemed to be daring folks to vote for him (over-compensating, I think) and I am going to again indulge him. I vote to lynch Coler. Come on, attack me like you did CL.

[Madcrawdad]

Ok that sucked. How did Sploke not vote?

At least they didn't get a power role from the UDs/Hit and we did get an evil elf.

LG I hate you made that move because its the main reason I voted for you.

I'm going to start where I left off before night fall and get some answers from Niko.

I'd love to know why he decided to leave a vote on a player that wasn't even in the running and ended up being a UD when he either could have voted CL or LG to break the tie.

I vote to lynch Niko

Ice, why did you find LG's vote for herself scummy enough to come off of Andi, but not CL's? You also could have broken the tie, by voting CL (who was first to vote for himself) instead of LG....



I'd also like to add that since Niko didn't vote either player that I'm thinking that Clown Lover might indeed be innocent and thats why Niko ran off with the vote tied as either way he would have been the deciding vote on an innocent.

You seem a little anxious to clear CL here. Makes me wonder again why you came of Andi, and voted LG when CL was in danger of being lynched.

[Rbishop]

Present "A" has been delivered....

[Grins]

Here is the last online times for the quiet ones...knock of 5 or 8 hours from the times shown to get your own times...

Kuhli - Last Activity: Yesterday 05:03 AM
Grins - Last Activity: Today 02:08 PM
KOTD - Last Activity: Today 06:35 PM


Um, no way....I was not anywhere near a computer at that time. Either I neglected to log off or your facts are screwy...or you're up to no good.

[IceH2O]

Ice, why did you find LG's vote for herself scummy enough to come off of Andi, but not CL's? You also could have broken the tie, by voting CL (who was first to vote for himself) instead of LG....




You seem a little anxious to clear CL here. Makes me wonder again why you came of Andi, and voted LG when CL was in danger of being lynched.

Read further into my posts and you'll see I retracted my thought of innocent on Clown.

LGs vote wasn't the only reason. Her taking the easy vote on Beth, a newb, was the 1st thing that caught my eye. Then voting herself was the reason I switched.

I didn't vote Clown for his vote on himself because at the time I wanted answers from Andi which I got but weren't satisfactory.

I went to LG because I wasn't sure if Coler or Clown were the evil one and still not sure which is which.

I wasn't going to save either because I wasn't sure that either were worth saving.

[Madcrawdad]

gah!! I had a feeling G was innocent!! sorry G... I know things were rough for you in the day leading up to this night and I know how tough it is when other things are going on and you are questioned here... I just was not feeling it. It was questionable, but nothing more than that. As for Andi... I don't know why they would have decided on offing her... other than to try to confuse the town. This was the way I did it when I was Mafia.. looked to see what would confuse the town. This leads me to believe that maybe Charlie is wearing little elven shoes.... while thinking this, I wonder just where are you, Charlie, dear? I see a lot of confirming posts in your 13 posts, but no kicking down doors.

I also still have Niko in as a good suspect. Nothing can erase that 1st day post and his trying to wiggle out of it.

And CL... well, not sold on CL yet either, which is why I never switched to either him or G. I saw a lot of pointing fingers but nothing that screamed elf to me.

DD, you were more sold on Niko being scum based on the 'investigate me, it's a waste of time' posts, but nothing sold you on CL?


your post explains nothing. If you are so convinced "whoever" this is, is in fact evil... why not vote for them tonight? I still find it illogical to hide anything from the town. Your explanation of "well, so and so can just change their behavir" only tells me this is what you would do... or maybe what you in fact already do.



of course, this is coming from someone who holds both votes. Talk about convenience.

And to think, I almost moved my vote.

DD, in this post from Day 1, you mentioned that you were considering moving your vote....who were you thinking of changing to?

[charlie_stubbs]

What a blood bath. The UD's really drive me nuts, KOTD in particular. It seems to me KOTD doesn't bother to play unless he has a special role. Thanks King, I hope you like screwing us.

[Madcrawdad]

Read further into my posts and you'll see I retracted my thought of innocent on Clown.



Got there and noted...

[plantling]

Lady G hopes the town can forgive her for her scummy moves that made her look so evil. She lays blame on no one but herself, how could they not think her evil with the things she said and did.
Sorry I doubted you LG. I should have just believed that you've been having a rough couple of days in RL. Hope all turns out well, BTW.


Andi must have been on to something to get hit so early..her town will get the evil
I will try my best to find out why they hit you Andi.

RIP Girls.



It appears Andi was after Coler and CL. And from memory, JP, Ice, and Blue were questioning her a bit. I would like to hear input from these players especially and others on why they think Andi was hit if they haven't said why already.

[Madcrawdad]

What a blood bath. The UD's really drive me nuts, KOTD in particular. It seems to me KOTD doesn't bother to play unless he has a special role. Thanks King, I hope you like screwing us.

I was thinking the same thing....but didn't want to say it. I think we'll have to make sure KOTD always gets to play detective so he'll stay onboard. Plain old townie just doesn't seem to hold his interest.

[IceH2O]

Me and KOTD got into it a bit in one of the sign up threads over his UDs.

Its really not a surprise to me.

Now Sploke is a surprise as he was on the thread as late as 3 PM.

Kuhli I'm thankful for as its one less evil we have to waste a lynch on.

[plantling]

[quote=andi872;1179605][quote=Coler;1179082]




Well Andi was mostly on Clown and Coler. I've already posted my thoughts on Clown being likely innocent for Nikos non vote, may as well be considered one considering where it ended up.

Coler is another player that bears watching, though Niko could have not voted for Clown because he is evil too and putting his vote on LG would have been the vote that killed her.

So I'm at a cross road here.

Niko evil for his non vote

Clown could be evil because of Nikos vote, so I take back my thoughts of innocence on him. Last game whenever people questioned Clown he turned them or hit them, same thing could be happening here.

Clown could be innocent, therefore Niko couldn't vote him either for the same reason he couldn't vote LG.

Coler could be either, but we wouldn't know without lynching him or Clown or investigating him and that does only 1 person any good as they can't come out and tell us.

My vote stands for now as its the one I'm most sure of at the moment.
I'm glad you added the part I bolded. CL fooled me big time last game. And when votes started piling on him he seemed to disappear. No defense posts. If I were innocent, I'd put up a fight.

Coler, I'm on the fence about. He seems to be kicking in a bunch of doors, but seems a bit post happy. Perhaps it's like someone said, maybe Coler is trying to make up for all the games he's missed. I agree, perhaps Coler should be investigated soon if not already.

[charlie_stubbs]

Me and KOTD got into it a bit in one of the sign up threads over his UDs.

Its really not a surprise to me.

Now Sploke is a surprise as he was on the thread as late as 3 PM.

Kuhli I'm thankful for as its one less evil we have to waste a lynch on.

Trust me, I really hope KOTD doesnt play anymore, he's useless as a townie.

[plantling]

Hmmm that post in my post was by ice, not coler. not sure why it messed up like that. sorry for the confusion.

[Dangerdoll]

Mad, I cut your posts into 2 because I want to be sure to answer both of your questions.


DD, you were more sold on Niko being scum based on the 'investigate me, it's a waste of time' posts, but nothing sold you on CL?

what are you assuming I am missing from CL's posts that would have "sold me"? Apparently, they weren't enough to sell you either as you voted for G... after switching from Charlie, after switching from Coler... when exactly did you think CL was scum enough to vote for him? oh wait... or is it because you never wanted to get a "response" out of him and others, such as the excuse you already used.

I happen to think that Niko is quite sharp.... too sharp to make those posts as he did, they were clearly mis-posts. Do you think it's a good idea to discuss and investigate an innocent if we have a chance to figure out who the elves are? I would find that interesting if you did and would be interested in your reasons why.


DD, in this post from Day 1, you mentioned that you were considering moving your vote....who were you thinking of changing to?
I was considering Coler if you must ask because of his combative posts. From what I have noticed, is he is attacking and provoking people.

looking back... Grins even puts it in her vote for CL that he is one of those "provoking Coler"... funny, I see the opposite.

[Dangerdoll]

crap, that 1st paragraph is for Hooked... sorry Mad

[Grins]

Kuhliloach is gone from ACville...worthless Evil Elf that he was...

I was afraid this was going to say another innocent was lost. I can't believe we lost 3 all in one night. Is this normal for the game?

[IceH2O]

Huh?? For Hooked?

But you were answering Mad.

[IceH2O]

I was afraid this was going to say another innocent was lost. I can't believe we lost 3 all in one night. Is this normal for the game?

Unfortunately it has been pretty much the norm lately.

It won't happen every night though.

[Grins]

crap, that 1st paragraph is for Hooked... sorry Mad

Oh sure, confuse me even more. Now I need to find which townie runs the pharmacy to pick up some Tylenol

[IceH2O]

I have to clear something up.

Earlier I had said that it was the main reasoning for voting LG, her voting for herself.

My vote was on LG because of her vote and reason for voting Beth.

I kept it on her for the main reason that she voted for herself after being called on it right after she voted beth for doing the same thing in her eyes.

[Sploke]

/game off

I HATE after-death postings, I just wanted to apologize for screwing this one up...not going to make any excuses. Again, wasn't intentional, sorry townies.

/game on.

[Dangerdoll]

Mad, I cut your posts into 2 because I want to be sure to answer both of your questions.

what are you assuming I am missing from CL's posts that would have "sold me"? Apparently, they weren't enough to sell you either as you voted for G... after switching from Charlie, after switching from Coler... when exactly did you think CL was scum enough to vote for him? oh wait... or is it because you never wanted to get a "response" out of him and others, such as the excuse you already used.

I happen to think that Niko is quite sharp.... too sharp to make those posts as he did, they were clearly mis-posts. Do you think it's a good idea to discuss and investigate an innocent if we have a chance to figure out who the elves are? I would find that interesting if you did and would be interested in your reasons why.


I was considering Coler if you must ask because of his combative posts. From what I have noticed, is he is attacking and provoking people.

looking back... Grins even puts it in her vote for CL that he is one of those "provoking Coler"... funny, I see the opposite.


Huh?? For Hooked?

But you were answering Mad.


I meant for this paragraph to say
what are you assuming I am missing from CL's posts that would have "sold me"? Apparently, they weren't enough to sell Hooked either as he voted for G... after switching from Charlie, after switching from Coler... when exactly did he think CL was scum enough to vote for him? oh wait... or is it because he wanted to get a "response" out of him and others, such as the excuse already used.
In addition to this Charlie, and Pappy, and plant, CL, and Ice didn't think he was scummy enough to either.

[Madcrawdad]

I'm sorry that I was wrong about you Lady and I'll accept the inevitable blame. Hope RL improves for you.

Overall, tonight sucked! At least Kuhli was evil. King- you have a bad habit of going by way of the UD.

Wow, hit on Andi... I gotta think that makes Ice, Coler, Mad, or My suspects close or them guilty. (I included myself for fairness). I think they're probably fishing for Santa. I wonder what they saw about Andi to waste a shot... will review. Seems that Charlie is once again my best suspect, but I do look forward to hearing from CL since he was so close to the block. Time for thoughts folks, no more secret hunches... we have the numbers, but not by much.

HN, maybe I'm dense, but how do I figure in with Andi? Other than admiring her avatar from afar, I'm pretty sure that I didn't even mention her at all this game....


I fear my initial gut feel was correct. Coler has seemed to be daring folks to vote for him (over-compensating, I think) and I am going to again indulge him. I vote to lynch Coler. Come on, attack me like you did CL.

Also, in post #504 (above)you mention that Charlie is your best suspect, yet 10 posts later in #514 (also above) you vote for Coler. Neither Charlie nor Coler posted anything between posts 504 and 514... How did you end up voting Coler, when Chas is your best suspect?

[Madcrawdad]

I meant for this paragraph to say
what are you assuming I am missing from CL's posts that would have "sold me"? Apparently, they weren't enough to sell Hooked either as he voted for G... after switching from Charlie, after switching from Coler... when exactly did he think CL was scum enough to vote for him? oh wait... or is it because he wanted to get a "response" out of him and others, such as the excuse already used.
In addition to this Charlie, and Pappy, and plant, CL, and Ice didn't think he was scummy enough to either.

yeah, but they didn't make it a point to come out and say that they didn't find CL scummy afterward.... IMO your case against Niko was pretty weak. C'mon, he said he was innocent, yet invited you to investigate him? CL was interested in chasing down Blitzen (as opposed to scum) and when voted for by Coler, he voted for himself (and unlike LG and Beth, who claimed confusion, CL claimed that he did it as a fact-finding mission).

One other question... Regarding your post from Day 1 (where you told Niko that you had considered switching votes), you later told me that you had considered switching your vote to Coler. Why in your early post on Day 2 did you only mention Chas and Niko as suspects? Apparently Coler had made it onto your radar by then...

[johnlarson66]

For the record, my day one history has been to a) vote for the first role player or b) jump all around on voting for people.

At this point everyone really looks evil.

If I had to list my top 7, it would be (in no particlar order):

Coler - lots of posts, highly agressive
atnixon - posting changed mid-day
clownlover - "on" coler and voted for self.
plantling - something seems fishy, gut feeling?
gupman - newb with low posts
KingOfTheDeep - low posts
kuhliloach - low posts

Also, of course I am keeping an eye on Ice, HN, Charlie, DD & Lady G who at this point there is no telling.

There also seems to be a fine line between being too vocal and not being vocal enough. I do not want to vote for someone just because of how many posts they have or don't have.


JL - I'm surprised to be your top suspect to be honest but so be it.

I am not surprised at the lack of any team effort to vote me out - the bad guys are going to kill me tonight and they know it.

CL and I are most certainly not on the same/any team. If we are on the same side it will be because CL is good, as am I...I am thinking deeply about the vote, remembering Ogre from zombie mafia and a prior game where CL got kicked early but I'm keeping it where it is for now.

Coler, I never said you were my "top suspect" as a matter of fact, I clearly stated that the list was "in no particlar order", see the bolded statements.

My top suspect was plantling, but really when you look at things, I kinda agree with her on a few things.

Also, Coler, you played the "I am gonna get hit tonight card". So today, you are my top suspect.

I vote to lynch Coler

[johnlarson66]

///off game

The game was great! Stayed on our feet the whole.

///on game

[johnlarson66]

Well it is late and no one else is here. I am not sure when I will be back online. I will attempt to use the office center before I check out.

[Hooked Newbie]

crap, that 1st paragraph is for Hooked... sorry Mad

Curious since you didn't quote my post.

[Hooked Newbie]

HN, maybe I'm dense, but how do I figure in with Andi? Other than admiring her avatar from afar, I'm pretty sure that I didn't even mention her at all this game....

I listed players that may have had suspicions or posted lists that the scumbags wouldn't want revisited. By the same token, those are the players I feel would be sly enough to hit someone completely unexpected to throw the town for a loop. Plant and others could probably be added.


Also, in post #504 (above)you mention that Charlie is your best suspect, yet 10 posts later in #514 (also above) you vote for Coler. Neither Charlie nor Coler posted anything between posts 504 and 514... How did you end up voting Coler, when Chas is your best suspect?

I still suspect Charlie strongly. I am voting Coler to see what he has to say about the hit since he was so certain he'd get killed tonight.

[Hooked Newbie]

yeah, but they didn't make it a point to come out and say that they didn't find CL scummy afterward.... IMO your case against Niko was pretty weak. C'mon, he said he was innocent, yet invited you to investigate him? CL was interested in chasing down Blitzen (as opposed to scum) and when voted for by Coler, he voted for himself (and unlike LG and Beth, who claimed confusion, CL claimed that he did it as a fact-finding mission).

One other question... Regarding your post from Day 1 (where you told Niko that you had considered switching votes), you later told me that you had considered switching your vote to Coler. Why in your early post on Day 2 did you only mention Chas and Niko as suspects? Apparently Coler had made it onto your radar by then...

You seem to be defending Chas... is there a reason or do you feel he's innocent?

[Reefscape]

Its 6-6 and you're leaving with your vote on someone with no chance of being lynched?

So are they both evil and you don't want to push one over the other or are they both innocent and you don't want to be the deciding vote?

Last option might be that one is innocent the other evil and in either case you'd screw yourself. Either lose a team member or be the kill vote on an innocent.

I went off to bed, it was late here and i did not see the vote tally


yep to all that...nailed niko ?

Nailed what exactly


(as we move towards night I would like people to keep Ice's post on niko in mind tomorrow...walking away from a split vote like that...very poor town play...understandable mafia mentality - we've all done that as scum folks)

Again, i went off to bed. I made my vote on who "I" thought was evil, not go jumping on the trains that were forming..If thats concidered evil, then keep your vote on me. I will review better shortly when i get to work..

I am glad we got one scum out of the town, and am really sorry to see the innocents gone.

[Coler]

^ the non vote is suspicious niko.

checking back I see JL and HN are voting for me - bit early lads no ? I hope I was at least investigated and that one person therefore has empirical proof of my innocence.

HN 'attack me like you did clown' - lol clown is still around, also it was me voted clown, and clown who attacked me...of course I respondend...read the posts my friend. if you're going to vote for me you might show us the case - I didn't vote for an innocent last night at least :D (not saying you did can't remember :))

[Reefscape]

^ the non vote is suspicious niko...

What non vote?

[Reefscape]

Ok...i waited till the end of day 1 as i wanted to see what posting patterns changed, and i feel that they did, untill it was mentioned by me..how strange..its like they knew i was on about them which seemed to bring them out in the open and comment on it..As i said in day 1, there may be nothing in this, its a hunch, but a hunch which is backed up with quotes to show it..

Up to the point of when JM retired from the game, your were pretty vocal towards me DD, then strangly enough, JM goes and you go quiet..hmmmm..thats a little odd really..its as though your entire game plan changed..I have gone through and pulled up most of DD's posts except the ones prior to JM leaving us, as we all know how vocal she was on the first part of day 1...



Gosh Jules.... wishing you all my heartfelt best... **hugs**

JM is gone, the posts towards me have stopped..


from what I see is you seem pretty combative, Coler... not sure why

Focus changed away from me onto coler...


What does this mean exactly??

Game off:
Huggs JM, thoughts and prayers going out to you
Game on.

HN has played enough not to be so stupid as to put a bulls eye on his head. Goes back a few games agon when Ogre did something simlar. However this time, I dont think HN is confessing a thing. I dont exactly know where to put my thoughts as to this being a move that would help the town tho, I mean...why would he even insinuate he was an elf, I didnt see anything in the rules about good elves.


Andi, can you expalin the discrepancies in your two posts? Seems to me that we have a confused newb that may not be so confused after all.

I dont think clownlover voting for himself is very town like either. Whats the point ?


This is where i noticed a split..Blue and DD no longer really seem to be singing off the same sheet...Blue now seems to be working on her own, saying her own thoughts...this is something that struck me as strange as there now seems to a split between them..Blue, i feel is innocent..


grins, you don't need to go back and count posts. All you need to do is go out of the game to the General Chit Chat area, find the Mafia thread and click on the number of posts. A pop up window will appear with the amount of posts each poster in the game has.


g/o:
Hope you're doing ok, Beth...
g/o:

My concern today is also G. I believe she last said that she would be posting after work last night (this morning). I believe most bars close between 2 and 3 am, yet she didn't post....

Again, no more mention of me...


mine does the same thing..... what is supposed to happen when you do that?

Another post that is not game related, there were a few, and i just felt these were to keep her face on the thread to not look obvious as changing pattern..


gotcha, I would have assumed it would do this too but from all other games, I always got the white screen. To get all posts of one person in the thread, I have simply been using the Search tool.


the bolded text is what I have a problem with... Niko tried defending it, I guess saw what he was doing and tried back peddling. Now you go the same route. Didn't he tell you it wouldn't work in chat? Or is it he wanted the votes to come off of him becuase he figured if someone else thought the same as him, it was a mistake. Come on...

the classic "cut me some slack, I am the new guy".

ummmm..... talking about evasive from someone who's got 5 posts in 320+ posts total for the game.... 2 of them being the past 2 hours or so. Gup.... do yourself a favor, if you are looking back at old games to brush op for playing, at least learn from them.

Oh look, she decides that a mention is needed about me...why no more mentions before when you were strongly convinced that i was evil? If you were that convinced, why suddenly move the focus away from me?


OK..wow, thats all i have to say about this. Is this a newbie mistake? Or should we look to see who has the most votes at the time this post was made to see if attention is trying to be taken off the top lynch for the night?

Again, this is another one i feel where Blue no longer seems to be working with DD..


Niko, it's not helping the town any if you are holding information. This has been frowned on in the past... not sure why you would not want the town to be aware.


g/o
dang G... sorry to hear that... my goodness, I hardly even know what to say **hugs**
g/o

Oh goodness G... how are you going to vote beth for doing this, condemn her for it and do the same exact thing... my word G... I am trying to see how your style is... trying tos ee if it's similar to innocent games from you and then this...

And funnily enough, as soon as i mentioned that i feel someones posting methods have changed, she comes back out in the open and starts to put on the "Your being anti-town" routine...quite convenient indeed. You were the reason i did not want the town to be aware of the perticular person..If i had called you out straight away on this, then your posting manner would changed straight away, back to how it was before...as it was, i left it and not said who, and you continued on without really mentioning me much at all in fact..



There is no connection for me and blue hooked, just that she see's the same points that I do with Niko's posting. You mean to tell me, you don't?

Personaly, i believed up to the point of when you two were on my case, i dont feel there was a real connection between you two and you were both just working as townie innocents..Now, its obvious there is no connect there as you two are now working independantly, and i feel its because you have changed roles in the game...



your post explains nothing. If you are so convinced "whoever" this is, is in fact evil... why not vote for them tonight? I still find it illogical to hide anything from the town. Your explanation of "well, so and so can just change their behavir" only tells me this is what you would do... or maybe what you in fact already do.



of course, this is coming from someone who holds both votes. Talk about convenience.

And to think, I almost moved my vote.

Again, if i had come out and changed my vote to you, then i would not of been able to watch your pattern because you would of been aware of me watching you.

Almost moved your vote? this is starting to confirm what i am seeing here..You almost moved your vote, then you had a role change, so, you did not.

See, you were again pretty quiet in the game, not really doing a great lot, just enough i feel to keep your face noticed, but sitting in the sidelines..


gah!! I had a feeling G was innocent!! sorry G... I know things were rough for you in the day leading up to this night and I know how tough it is when other things are going on and you are questioned here... I just was not feeling it. It was questionable, but nothing more than that. As for Andi... I don't know why they would have decided on offing her... other than to try to confuse the town. This was the way I did it when I was Mafia.. looked to see what would confuse the town. This leads me to believe that maybe Charlie is wearing little elven shoes.... while thinking this, I wonder just where are you, Charlie, dear? I see a lot of confirming posts in your 13 posts, but no kicking down doors.

I also still have Niko in as a good suspect. Nothing can erase that 1st day post and his trying to wiggle out of it.

And CL... well, not sold on CL yet either, which is why I never switched to either him or G. I saw a lot of pointing fingers but nothing that screamed elf to me.

Here, again, just a little mention of your thoughts towards me, not the strong evidence that i am evil and up to no good, but only a good suspect now? this has changed somewhat from hammering on my door, to be just a good suspect..

To sum up, i think JM's role has been passed on to DD which would explain why her change in posting manners changed when JM went out of the game and why Blue is now moving away from DD...

Of course, this could have a knock on effect on me as a townie and end up being lynched or hit, but, i feel i needed to bring out in the open what i was talking about last night and what people where questioning me over, and why i did not bring it out into the open.

Read it, absorb it, take out of it what you like, but, this is what i have noticed. If nobody else can see this or see it some other way, then shout up...

[Reefscape]

Just wanted go over a little more what was said towards me over night..


Its 6-6 and you're leaving with your vote on someone with no chance of being lynched?

So are they both evil and you don't want to push one over the other or are they both innocent and you don't want to be the deciding vote?

Last option might be that one is innocent the other evil and in either case you'd screw yourself. Either lose a team member or be the kill vote on an innocent.

As i stated, it was late for me here and i went off to bed, i am never up late enough to see the end of the day in the game. Time zones mate, time zones..

I put my vote on the person i feel is evil, not the person that everyone else does.


(as we move towards night I would like people to keep Ice's post on niko in mind tomorrow...walking away from a split vote like that...very poor town play...understandable mafia mentality - we've all done that as scum folks)

Its funny how you seemed to of switched some focus to me since i started to question you last night Coler..quite strange how your now starting to get people to look towards me now..


Ok that sucked. How did Sploke not vote?

At least they didn't get a power role from the UDs/Hit and we did get an evil elf.

LG I hate you made that move because its the main reason I voted for you.

I'm going to start where I left off before night fall and get some answers from Niko.

I'd love to know why he decided to leave a vote on a player that wasn't even in the running and ended up being a UD when he either could have voted CL or LG to break the tie.

I vote to lynch Niko

You vote to lynch me just because i did not jump on a train, quite a poor reason to put a lynch on somebody Ice..

What answers are you after Ice? ask away....



I'd also like to add that since Niko didn't vote either player that I'm thinking that Clown Lover might indeed be innocent and thats why Niko ran off with the vote tied as either way he would have been the deciding vote on an innocent.

Its quite easy for you start stating things like running off, when clearly it is not the case as i have explained that i went off to bed..So, clearly now, there was no running off..


[quote=andi872;1179605][quote=Coler;1179082]

Well Andi was mostly on Clown and Coler. I've already posted my thoughts on Clown being likely innocent for Nikos non vote, may as well be considered one considering where it ended up.

Coler is another player that bears watching, though Niko could have not voted for Clown because he is evil too and putting his vote on LG would have been the vote that killed her.

So I'm at a cross road here.

Niko evil for his non vote

Clown could be evil because of Nikos vote, so I take back my thoughts of innocence on him. Last game whenever people questioned Clown he turned them or hit them, same thing could be happening here.

Clown could be innocent, therefore Niko couldn't vote him either for the same reason he couldn't vote LG.

Coler could be either, but we wouldn't know without lynching him or Clown or investigating him and that does only 1 person any good as they can't come out and tell us.

My vote stands for now as its the one I'm most sure of at the moment.

Where is the non vote? i make my vote perfectly clear, and i explained why my vote was there, and staying there..


DD, you were more sold on Niko being scum based on the 'investigate me, it's a waste of time' posts, but nothing sold you on CL?

DD, in this post from Day 1, you mentioned that you were considering moving your vote....who were you thinking of changing to?

I would like to hear answers to these questions too..

[charlie_stubbs]

You seem to be defending Chas... is there a reason or do you feel he's innocent?

Well, on the other end of the spectrum, you seem to be convinced I'm guilty. Why was I your best "suspect" again???


yeah, but they didn't make it a point to come out and say that they didn't find CL scummy afterward.... IMO your case against Niko was pretty weak. C'mon, he said he was innocent, yet invited you to investigate him? CL was interested in chasing down Blitzen (as opposed to scum) and when voted for by Coler, he voted for himself (and unlike LG and Beth, who claimed confusion, CL claimed that he did it as a fact-finding mission).

One other question... Regarding your post from Day 1 (where you told Niko that you had considered switching votes), you later told me that you had considered switching your vote to Coler. Why in your early post on Day 2 did you only mention Chas and Niko as suspects? Apparently Coler had made it onto your radar by then...

Good catch here Mad. Methinks my beloved may be losing track of her "suspects"


HN, maybe I'm dense, but how do I figure in with Andi? Other than admiring her avatar from afar, I'm pretty sure that I didn't even mention her at all this game....



Also, in post #504 (above)you mention that Charlie is your best suspect, yet 10 posts later in #514 (also above) you vote for Coler. Neither Charlie nor Coler posted anything between posts 504 and 514... How did you end up voting Coler, when Chas is your best suspect?

Notice here you are "linked" with Andi the same way I was "linked" to JM and then "linked" to LG. Next I'll be "linked" to you, because I see the things that you see.


I still suspect Charlie strongly. I am voting Coler to see what he has to say about the hit since he was so certain he'd get killed tonight.

Well HN, getting on the Coler train early are you??? I suspect you're only there to help get it rolling, but you will move your vote back to me once its gained enough steam to get to the finish.
I'm curious, do you have a conspiracy theory in regards to CL, who has shriveled from the light???

[Grins]

This is really overwhelming. Not only figuring out who is evil amd wishing to do the town harm but seeing what very well could be innocent townspeople arguing with one another. It just stands to reason that while we all can't be innocent (someone carried out the hit afterall), we all aren't evil as well. I'm feeling kinda Rodney King'ish this morning and wanting to shout "can't we all just get along" from the town square.

::trudging over to the town coffee shop to ponder::

[Reefscape]

This is really overwhelming. Not only figuring out who is evil amd wishing to do the town harm but seeing what very well could be innocent townspeople arguing with one another. It just stands to reason that while we all can't be innocent (someone carried out the hit afterall), we all aren't evil as well. I'm feeling kinda Rodney King'ish this morning and wanting to shout "can't we all just get along" from the town square.

::trudging over to the town coffee shop to ponder::

Unfortunatly, we cannot do that while there is still evil scum in the town..you lack of door bashing and tree shaking to confront, question or build a case is disturbing indeed...are you purposly just trying to be hidden in the side lines? This also goes for Gup aswell, very very quiet...

[charlie_stubbs]

Wow people! I just read through and jeez... I think I have some good suspects. Those late to question my post mostly.

Ok, I can't prove anything via a PM, in this case it was an email but still... I'll tell you what it said, believe it or not, condemn me or not.

"You are an innocent elf trying to help Santa." Nothing else, no other details, no gifts, no names of teammates, etc. (Hence my baking cookies comment)

Did Bob use different terms for others or are those harping on it trying to help the Grinch? I don't know. If you believe I "slipped", fine vote for me. You'll see. Do you really think I'm THAT stupid even if sleepy?

Like I said those late onto questioning it are very suspicious to me since it looks like they're looking for a "good case" to jump on that they can shrug off later while pointing at those who started it.

I'm going to do a closer review after I get a bite and should have a list to at least look at if the RR comes to town for me. Also, those questioning my silence or why it took so long for me to respond need to look at my posting history and deal with the fact that not everyone can get in while at work. Even when I work from home, I'm too busy to worry about this 99% of the time. Those who've played with me before should be aware of that and will bear scrutiny as well since they tried to quietly bolster the allegations.

So kiss my elven hiney! I'll be back with a few of your names before you Grinchies can kill me or convince my elven or fairy or whatever townies to do your dirty work for you.

Above, I have bolded a statement you made. Please explain which players were questioning your silence, with post numbers. Also, where are the names of the "grinchies" you promised. You know exactly who they are.


I answered that and believe I have a few good candidates. I just need to do one more review and pull the posts.

Here you say you just need one more review and you have a few good candidates. Uh Huh. Another post thats all bun, no beef.


Yes, that is exactly what I was and am stating.



Didn't take long to join in here huh? You and Charlie both know my posting schedule from past games.

Here is what I find interesting. You say to JM that she and I know your posting schedule. I still can't find a post where I have questioned your "silence".



It wasn't a joke (except for the Keebler part). Is it "dodgy".



Spewing rumor and confusion I see. I'm feigning surprise.



No, I'm not and why would you want Santa to out themselves?

Here is where I think you and your pals begin to think Andi is Santa. Call it a hunch.










So, my list so far....

Charlie, Judge, Blue, Lady G, & Ice.

Maybes on Coler and Niko.

Some "gut feel" (feel free to bash me for it, some reading, and some other factors. Yes, I named 7, no I don't believe it's 100%.

I need to review the Blitzen BS talk. That was either thrown out there or fed for purposes on confusing things IMO.



I would have quoted your prior post, bu it was sufficently nested to frustrate me. I am glad I got off early today.

INNOCENTS, please review post #341.

Lady, I explained what I said, but apparently you skimmed over it. You did manage to quote my response that was posted afterwards and in direct subject matter to it though. Your post only makes me rethink a couple of people since I believe the majority (probably large) of those you suspect and quoted are innocent. You've done nothing to ferret out information and merely restated some cases made by others. As for my timing on Jmax, look at my post. It was large and took some time. It was posted 14 minutes after Rb posted about her and I did not see the post until after I posted mine. But, yes I suspected her evil and combined with the fact that Rb had to adjust roles AND that she briefly used a grinh avatar in the Xmas avatar thread and changed it abruptly to the Ho-ho-ho thing right around game start, I believe she was the Grinch. I think you may have inherited that role and that may be what quieted you down. I think Charlie is on your side as well. You jumping on the nice, easy, newbie voting for herself (no matter how bad a move it is) only strengthens my conviction.

I retract my vote to lynch Charlie (Minion) and vote to lynch Lady G (Grinch?).

The part I've bolded above is about all you seem to have right about this post


Remember your editted post catch from a coupla games ago? I think I found a changed Av catch and it's helping to put some pieces together for me.

I dig the gal, but IN THE GAME, JMax and I never get along. Look at her first post. Unbolded, joking lynch vote for me. Then not much of anything except to quietly agree with Charlies case (they both posted on the elf topic twice). I think in an effort to get a majority to lynch someone they wanted gone. If you were evil (you might be), would you pass up a chance to have Coler, Me, Mad, yourself, JL, etc. eliminated without using a hit? Charlie and Lady G BOTH went quiet which is not normal for either of them. Lady G tried to use sympathy for JM to evoke a response against me IMO and apparently "missed" a key post. She caught up rather quickly huh? She's evil.

And finally, in the above bolded area you state LG and I both went quiet. I always post in the morning, and then after work. Now you try to paint me in a bad light by doing the same thing you claim I am doing. You should know my posting schedule, yet you state that I've gone quiet. Uh huh. hoping that would get some nibbles???
I vote to lynch HN

[Grins]

Unfortunatly, we cannot do that while there is still evil scum in the town..you lack of door bashing and tree shaking to confront, question or build a case is disturbing indeed...are you purposly just trying to be hidden in the side lines? This also goes for Gup aswell, very very quiet...

I think it would be irresponsible of me to bash doors at this point. It seems to bash down doors all willy nilly is a bit irresponsible of anyone really. Unless you have a pretty clear case of someone being evil you risk taking the focus off real scum and instead having others begin to target innocents. For proof of that just look at how LadyG was singled out and how quickly the town turned on her. Meanwhile the real scum were left to carry out their misdeeds and we lost one of our own. I'll "woman up" and ask questions and vote to protect the town but I am not going to fly off at the handle and play right into the hands of those that wish to do us harm.

[charlie_stubbs]

I think it would be irresponsible of me to bash doors at this point. It seems to bash down doors all willy nilly is a bit irresponsible of anyone really. Unless you have a pretty clear case of someone being evil you risk taking the focus off real scum and instead having others begin to target innocents. For proof of that just look at how LadyG was singled out and how quickly the town turned on her. Meanwhile the real scum were left to carry out their misdeeds and we lost one of our own. I'll "woman up" and ask questions and vote to protect the town but I am not going to fly off at the handle and play right into the hands of those that wish to do us harm.
IMO its irresponsible not to kick in doors. This post for example, has raised an alarm bell, so I think its time to kick in your door. You seem to be doing a good job of blending in. You have no suspects at this point??? What are you hiding???

[Reefscape]

IMO its irresponsible not to kick in doors. This post for example, has raised an alarm bell, so I think its time to kick in your door. You seem to be doing a good job of blending in. You have no suspects at this point??? What are you hiding???


I agree...if nobody was willing to start kicking in doors or shaking tree's, then we would never be able to put people under pressure to see if they slip up with a post, make an ill comment. All that would happen is that the evil's would just lynch away and the innocents would be dropping like flies every game night...not good...So..Lets see what reaction we get from you now "you" have started to raise peoples alarm bells..

:popcorn:

[charlie_stubbs]

I think it would be irresponsible of me to bash doors at this point. It seems to bash down doors all willy nilly is a bit irresponsible of anyone really. Unless you have a pretty clear case of someone being evil you risk taking the focus off real scum and instead having others begin to target innocents. For proof of that just look at how LadyG was singled out and how quickly the town turned on her. Meanwhile the real scum were left to carry out their misdeeds and we lost one of our own. I'll "woman up" and ask questions and vote to protect the town but I am not going to fly off at the handle and play right into the hands of those that wish to do us harm.
I can't help but notice you say how quickly "the town" turned on her, as though you aren't part of the town. Is this what is called a Fruedian slip??? Explain to me again who you voted for last night, and how you came to vote for this person if you didn't shake any trees???

[Reefscape]

I think it would be irresponsible of me to bash doors at this point. It seems to bash down doors all willy nilly is a bit irresponsible of anyone really. Unless you have a pretty clear case of someone being evil you risk taking the focus off real scum and instead having others begin to target innocents. For proof of that just look at how LadyG was singled out and how quickly the town turned on her. Meanwhile the real scum were left to carry out their misdeeds and we lost one of our own. I'll "woman up" and ask questions and vote to protect the town but I am not going to fly off at the handle and play right into the hands of those that wish to do us harm.

Thats very correct, you did loose "one" of your own...Kuhli...who was the only evil one to die last night..Is this ANOTHER fraudulant slip up Grins??

[Grins]

IMO its irresponsible not to kick in doors. This post for example, has raised an alarm bell, so I think its time to kick in your door. You seem to be doing a good job of blending in. You have no suspects at this point??? What are you hiding???

If you read my vote last night you saw my list of reasons for voting for Clown. I still find him suspect. I also have mentioned that Niko's posting has been suspect. Why that equates to having no supsects is beyond me. But keep this in mind...I did not vote to lynch the innocent LadyG. As for clown whom I did vote for we don't yet know if he is innocent or not but I am suspecting not.

And now you, why the sudden false information about me not listing suspects? Are you trying to deflect from something? Hoping that perhaps another rash of mob mentality will lynch another innocent?

[Reefscape]

Theses really are starting to ring now....

[Grins]

I agree...if nobody was willing to start kicking in doors or shaking tree's, then we would never be able to put people under pressure to see if they slip up with a post, make an ill comment. All that would happen is that the evil's would just lynch away and the innocents would be dropping like flies every game night...not good...So..Lets see what reaction we get from you now "you" have started to raise peoples alarm bells..

:popcorn:

Shaking trees is one thing, but what happened last night was the loss of 3 innocents...three. And I wasn't someone who voted for any of them to be lynched. Ask yourself this, who did.

[Grins]

I can't help but notice you say how quickly "the town" turned on her, as though you aren't part of the town. Is this what is called a Fruedian slip??? Explain to me again who you voted for last night, and how you came to vote for this person if you didn't shake any trees???


See what this has done to us? We're now taking something as silly as saying "the town" and assuming it means someone isn't part of it. C'mon now, that doesn't even make sense.

As for the other question, my vote and reasons are in post 421:


Ok, I'm caught up. At this point I'm not exactly sure who is out to cause the town harm but even a newbie can figure out what looks suspicious. To me Clown-lover seems to be intentionally provoking responses from Coler especially. On top of that I don't like the voting for himself to be lynched. Seemed like a ploy to use reverse pysch and then when called on it his explanations seemed really suspect. Plus...well that avatar is just downright creepy. :lipssealedsmilie:

I vote to lynch Clown-lover.

[Grins]

Thats very correct, you did loose "one" of your own...Kuhli...who was the only evil one to die last night..Is this ANOTHER fraudulant slip up Grins??

We lynched one of our own due to the bashing down doors mentality. Or did you not read Bala's news and see that the other deaths, two of which were incredibly unfortunate, were not due to our searching for the evil scum but for reasons outside of our own control as a town.

[Grins]

I'm off to set up an event for tonight. I'll not be near a computer until at least 7PM...so if Niko tries to report in that I am online posting midday as he did yesterday at least let the misinformation raise an eyebrow as to what he might be up to. For me I had at first thought he had made a mistake when posting it. But now that I see his attempts to rile up Charlie with the snide little photos and such I'm no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I vote to lynch Niko.

[Madcrawdad]

You seem to be defending Chas... is there a reason or do you feel he's innocent?

How am I defending Charlie? I simply asked DD why Coler wasn't on her list of suspects, seeing that she claims to have almost switched from Niko to Coler late in Day 1...

[Reefscape]

I'm off to set up an event for tonight. I'll not be near a computer until at least 7PM...so if Niko tries to report in that I am online posting midday as he did yesterday at least let the misinformation raise an eyebrow as to what he might be up to. For me I had at first thought he had made a mistake when posting it. But now that I see his attempts to rile up Charlie with the snide little photos and such I'm no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I vote to lynch Niko.

WOW...you have voted for me...for what? cus i posted a picture..?? lol..its amazing how rash actions happen when someone who is under pressure can reaction to some simple questioning.

[Blueiz]

Im a bit more suspicious of Charlie now considering the above posts. Atnixon, my suspicion has never left and my vote will most likely end up on him. I cant help but think that he is trying to lower himself on my radar by saying he thinks Im innocent.

Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?

Charlie, are you and Niko working together? You two jumped on Grins for something very very small, even twisting what she said. Charlie, I expect that from Niko cause thats what he has proven he does, but not from you, can you explain why? Id like to think Its because you are knocking on doors trying to get the evil ones to slip up..and not that you are trying to start a train. Id hate to see what happened to LG happen again tonight.

To answer the question of my questioning LG, yes, I asked her why she was so quiet because it is not like her, she answered. I didn't find anything suspicious about her answer because I find that it is highly unlikley she would make something up about her personal life as an explanation, I feel shes smart and crafty enough not to have to do that. That is why I did not pursue her anymore.

Looking back on last night fall, it being night one and the game just starting, Id like to say if you arent going to play, please do not sign up. I understand RL sometimes leaving you unavailable and its out of your control, however its pointless to sign up if you arent even going to start to play.

[Reefscape]

Im a bit more suspicious of Charlie now considering the above posts. Atnixon, my suspicion has never left and my vote will most likely end up on him. I cant help but think that he is trying to lower himself on my radar by saying he thinks Im innocent.

Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?

Charlie, are you and Niko working together? You two jumped on Grins for something very very small, even twisting what she said. Charlie, I expect that from Niko cause thats what he has proven he does, but not from you, can you explain why? Id like to think Its because you are knocking on doors trying to get the evil ones to slip up..and not that you are trying to start a train. Id hate to see what happened to LG happen again tonight.

To answer the question of my questioning LG, yes, I asked her why she was so quiet because it is not like her, she answered. I didn't find anything suspicious about her answer because I find that it is highly unlikley she would make something up about her personal life as an explanation, I feel shes smart and crafty enough not to have to do that. That is why I did not pursue her anymore.

Looking back on last night fall, it being night one and the game just starting, Id like to say if you arent going to play, please do not sign up. I understand RL sometimes leaving you unavailable and its out of your control, however its pointless to sign up if you arent even going to start to play.


Does not really tell me anythig Blue as you have not really given forth any evidence to prove that i am evil...besides following DD's lead in day 1...

[Blueiz]

Does not really tell me anythig Blue as you have not really given forth any evidence to prove that i am evil...besides following DD's lead in day 1...

Avoiding answering my question I see. Let me put it here again so you can see it.


Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?


I didnt ask if it proved anything, I asked what it meant. Obviously you think it proves something... Id like you to answer that question.

As I have already pointed out to you and everyone else, I followed no one. I was the first to question you in post 93, as well as I have already stated this to you in post 154. Skimming are we, or having a convinient memory loss?

[Reefscape]

Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?

LOL..you think i am evil...what else is there to answer? nothing, as i cant read your mind.

[Blueiz]

Originally Posted by Blueiz http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180936#post1180936)
Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?


LOL..you think i am evil...what else is there to answer? nothing, as i cant read your mind.


Ahh.....you like to take things out of context as well. Keep avoiding the question, you're not helping youself.

[Reefscape]

Avoiding answering my question I see. Let me put it here again so you can see it.



I didnt ask if it proved anything, I asked what it meant. Obviously you think it proves something... Id like you to answer that question.

As I have already pointed out to you and everyone else, I followed no one. I was the first to question you in post 93, as well as I have already stated this to you in post 154. Skimming are we, or having a convinient memory loss?

I think if you go and review my posts, you will see that i have been far from skimming or forgetting anything.

Post #93


So, you dont want the focus on yourself... Dropping subtle hints I see as you did last game...

Actually, in post #93, you did not ask a question..


Post #154


Skimming? I questioned you to begine with. I cant help you cant make your mind up which stance you want to take on it. You're not helping the town by contradicting yourself, then denying it.

This post does not really mean anything nor implicate anything i am afraid.

[Reefscape]

Ahh.....you like to take things out of context as well. Keep avoiding the question, you're not helping youself.


LOL..i have avoided nothing..i have answered your question, but you do not like the answer, so, just keep on forcing the issue as its you who will start to be looking scummy, not me.

[Reefscape]

So, you dont want the focus on yourself... Dropping subtle hints I see as you did last game...

Oh, dropping subtle hints like last game?? Just remind me if i was an innocent or an evil last game...In fact, tell ya what, save you the trouble..i was an innocent..

[Blueiz]

LOL..i have avoided nothing..i have answered your question, but you do not like the answer, so, just keep on forcing the issue as its you who will start to be looking scummy, not me.


No... you stated back to me my statement , you have not answered the question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueiz http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180936#post1180936)
Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by atnixon http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180950#post1180950)
LOL..you think i am evil...what else is there to answer? nothing, as i cant read your mind.





just keep on forcing the issue as its you who will start to be looking scummy, not me


Hmmm..... trying to take the heat off yourself by threatening me with "looking scummy". Personally, I hope that ppl look at me as well as everyone else. I view everyone as scummy, just some scummier than others. I know Im innocent, but I dont know what everyone else is. I want everyone to look at me and see that I am innocent, and that I call out the scum that I see, for example--YOU.

BTW, nice try at trying to divert attention from the topic at hand, you still havent answered the question. However I see now that you arent going to, as Im sure that others see that as well.

[Blueiz]

Oh, dropping subtle hints like last game?? Just remind me if i was an innocent or an evil last game...In fact, tell ya what, save you the trouble..i was an innocent..


Again, taking things out of context. Yes you were an innocent, however you had a power role. You put the cross bow up as a subtle hint.

[Reefscape]

Well, lets just see what others think of your antic's here this am..lets hope that your actions start to raise peoples eyebrows to you.

[Madcrawdad]

Shaking trees is one thing, but what happened last night was the loss of 3 innocents...three. And I wasn't someone who voted for any of them to be lynched. Ask yourself this, who did.

First of all, only one innocent was lynched. Two innocents basically 'quit,' and another was hit by scum. Only LG's lynch was somewhat controllable by the town... Why are you trying to make it sound like innocent townies are getting lynched left and right?

If you're unwilling to put folk's feet to the fire to get information, what's your plan? How do you see it being more effective than grilling other players, especially given the time constraint that the town is under to rid itself of scum?


We lynched one of our own due to the bashing down doors mentality. Or did you not read Bala's news and see that the other deaths, two of which were incredibly unfortunate, were not due to our searching for the evil scum but for reasons outside of our own control as a town.

This post strikes me as interesting... you say 'We lynched one of our own.' This looks like you are saying the following: 'I, Grins, am innocent, and Lady G (who was also an innocent) was lynched by innocents.' What makes you so sure that LG was lynched by innocents? There are scum playing this game who also vote, what makes you think that some of them weren't on LG?

I'm unclear as to why you're saying that it was innocents kicking down doors who mainly did in LG, and not even acknowleging that scum might have played a big part in the lynching of LG.

[plantling]

Im a bit more suspicious of Charlie now considering the above posts. Atnixon, my suspicion has never left and my vote will most likely end up on him. I cant help but think that he is trying to lower himself on my radar by saying he thinks Im innocent.

Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?

Charlie, are you and Niko working together? You two jumped on Grins for something very very small, even twisting what she said. Charlie, I expect that from Niko cause thats what he has proven he does, but not from you, can you explain why? Id like to think Its because you are knocking on doors trying to get the evil ones to slip up..and not that you are trying to start a train. Id hate to see what happened to LG happen again tonight.

To answer the question of my questioning LG, yes, I asked her why she was so quiet because it is not like her, she answered. I didn't find anything suspicious about her answer because I find that it is highly unlikley she would make something up about her personal life as an explanation, I feel shes smart and crafty enough not to have to do that. That is why I did not pursue her anymore.

Looking back on last night fall, it being night one and the game just starting, Id like to say if you arent going to play, please do not sign up. I understand RL sometimes leaving you unavailable and its out of your control, however its pointless to sign up if you arent even going to start to play.
If you were referring to my question, Blue, it was not about LG, it was about Andi. Ice gave her a hard time and you and JP questioned her as well. Also Andi was going after CL and Coler, so I wanted your inputs on why you thought Andi was hit. I have my own theories, I just wanted to hear others' first.

[Madcrawdad]

Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?



LOL..you think i am evil...what else is there to answer? nothing, as i cant read your mind.


Ahh.....you like to take things out of context as well. Keep avoiding the question, you're not helping youself.

Blue, here's an exchange between you and Niko. Let's pretend that I'm a moron (probably not such a stretch for some)... can you please explain to me what you're trying to get at here? Maybe it's just a 'guy' thing, but I truly don't understand what you're asking, and what response you were hoping for.

[plantling]

Hmmm, no posts from CL in about 24 Hours. Is he an evil laying low now hoping the heat will dissipate or is he an innocent who is upset about getting voted? You would think if he was innocent he would have tried to post something to try and stop the votes once they started picking up yesterday.


Grins, if you are an innocent, it is your job to scour the thread for suspicious posts. Not every post that seems suspicious will be made by an evil, but it will not hurt to question the poster. As a matter of fact it helps me to get a better feel for players when they do answer me. And when they don't it tells me something as well. I don't usually like to pick on newbs, but it is day 2 now and you should be getting the hang of the game. I was evil my very first game, so I will not let pple play the newb card all game long without saying anything.

[jpappy789]

Unfortunatly, we cannot do that while there is still evil scum in the town..you lack of door bashing and tree shaking to confront, question or build a case is disturbing indeed...are you purposly just trying to be hidden in the side lines? This also goes for Gup aswell, very very quiet...

Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.


Blue, here's an exchange between you and Niko. Let's pretend that I'm a moron (probably not such a stretch for some)... can you please explain to me what you're trying to get at here? Maybe it's just a 'guy' thing, but I truly don't understand what you're asking, and what response you were hoping for.

I agree mad. I have been reading through the exchange and am still trying to figure out what the heck blue is getting at. I makes me wonder if she is just trying to pull something out of thin air to use against niko...

[Reefscape]

Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.

I agree mad. I have been reading through the exchange and am still trying to figure out what the heck blue is getting at. I makes me wonder if she is just trying to pull something out of thin air to use against niko...

JP...i see the point your making there mate, i realise i did go a little bit hard on Grins..Appologies out to Grins..

[Dangerdoll]

yeah, but they didn't make it a point to come out and say that they didn't find CL scummy afterward.... IMO your case against Niko was pretty weak. C'mon, he said he was innocent, yet invited you to investigate him? CL was interested in chasing down Blitzen (as opposed to scum) and when voted for by Coler, he voted for himself (and unlike LG and Beth, who claimed confusion, CL claimed that he did it as a fact-finding mission).

One other question... Regarding your post from Day 1 (where you told Niko that you had considered switching votes), you later told me that you had considered switching your vote to Coler. Why in your early post on Day 2 did you only mention Chas and Niko as suspects? Apparently Coler had made it onto your radar by then...
Mad, however you find my case for Niko is fine, I accept your opinion, but my opinion is different from yous. That, I accept too... maybe you might. As I have said in games past, I don't expect everyone to have the exact opinion I do, that's why it is important to put out our thoughts so we can discuss them.... because of the diversity of opinions. I still think it's a pretty good find. In my eyes, Niko certainly screwed up and his trying to weasle out of it only made it worse. The back-peddling was clear as day.

To answer your other question. The reason I never mentioned Coler as being one of my top suspects is because he wasn't at the time. My top concern at the time was Charlie and Niko. Are they still suspicious to me, sure they are, you bet. I nearly switched my vote for him, I nearly did for G too, if you must know but something told me she was simply having a bad day. I try to list those who are most suspicious to me, not those I am simply having knee-jerk reactions to or am not so sure about. Look what happened last game, they were completely blindsided.

Ok...i waited till the end of day 1 as i wanted to see what posting patterns changed, and i feel that they did, untill it was mentioned by me..how strange..its like they knew i was on about them which seemed to bring them out in the open and comment on it..As i said in day 1, there may be nothing in this, its a hunch, but a hunch which is backed up with quotes to show it..
how very convenient, Niko.... you searched long and hard and worked on your creativity for this case. I find it a sad attempt and evidently, I gave you more credit that this post makes you out to be. You go after those who are questioning you. Not very original.

Up to the point of when JM retired from the game, your were pretty vocal towards me DD, then strangly enough, JM goes and you go quiet..hmmmm..thats a little odd really..its as though your entire game plan changed..I have gone through and pulled up most of DD's posts except the ones prior to JM leaving us, as we all know how vocal she was on the first part of day 1...
Niko, I stated my case against you and that was it. Very vocal to you until Judge left? What more of a case did I bring up about you more than the one you kept tripping over? I wasn't intentionally scoping out your posts to see where I could find mistakes in you only as you are doing here. I stated my case, you confirmed my thoughts, I voted, what more is there to say. I went quiet during dinner and during night. If you must know, I also had a meeting last night concerning the Board. But thats neither here nor there.

JM is gone, the posts towards me have stopped..
Please, Niko... how many times are you going to say this... are you trying to convince others of this weak reasoning or are you trying to convince you that it's great that you think you found something that you can out on me so your buddies and you can high-five it all in chat?

Focus changed away from me onto coler...
Correct, I don't keep my sights on one person because the way to play the game is to find the elvES Niko.... not just set your sight on one person, turn on the tunnel vision and stick with that til night. What is that going to get us as a town aside from taken by the elves?

This is where i noticed a split..Blue and DD no longer really seem to be singing off the same sheet...Blue now seems to be working on her own, saying her own thoughts...this is something that struck me as strange as there now seems to a split between them..Blue, i feel is innocent..
How interesting. I am more interested in why you seem so focused on both us. It can't be because we both voted you, noooooooo.

Again, no more mention of me...
Niko, you really should take that shovel.

Another post that is not game related, there were a few, and i just felt these were to keep her face on the thread to not look obvious as changing pattern..
yes, my few were to help grins with the post counts, to wish Judge well, say sorry to G about the pet incident and to hope beth was feeling ok since she was taking vic's, apparently she was hurt. Sorry for being human. Let me remind you too that you were the one who asked about the white screen prior to me questioning about what it was supposed to do.

Oh look, she decides that a mention is needed about me...why no more mentions before when you were strongly convinced that i was evil? If you were that convinced, why suddenly move the focus away from me?
Niko, how many times do I need to explain the same thing over and over to state my reason for voting for you? I am not going to state in ever post I make my reasons for it or for why I believe you ARE evil.

Again, this is another one i feel where Blue no longer seems to be working with DD..
Blue was doing a good job, she was looking at "postings". Looking for the elves. As was I, but you condemn me for not solely sticking to you....

And funnily enough, as soon as i mentioned that i feel someones posting methods have changed, she comes back out in the open and starts to put on the "Your being anti-town" routine...quite convenient indeed. You were the reason i did not want the town to be aware of the perticular person..If i had called you out straight away on this, then your posting manner would changed straight away, back to how it was before...as it was, i left it and not said who, and you continued on without really mentioning me much at all in fact..
When you mention you feel someone's posting had changed, you admitted to keeping it to yourself. Anti-town movement if I ever saw it. Regardless if it was me, blue, G, whoever, I think you should have been forthright and explained your reasons instead of taking half a day to try to squeeze out ridiculous findings. So tell me, how was my posting style before?
I will say again, what is the big issue you have on people needing to stick to one person only...?

Personaly, i believed up to the point of when you two were on my case, i dont feel there was a real connection between you two and you were both just working as townie innocents..Now, its obvious there is no connect there as you two are now working independantly, and i feel its because you have changed roles in the game...
Funny, I thought you believed I was evil before around when I called you out, now you are saying I am wrong?

Again, if i had come out and changed my vote to you, then i would not of been able to watch your pattern because you would of been aware of me watching you.
what?!?! and how does this make sense? I would love to know which pattern you are comparing me to.

Almost moved your vote? this is starting to confirm what i am seeing here..You almost moved your vote, then you had a role change, so, you did not.
I almost moved my vote. How can there be a roll change in the middle of day? Ah, I see, you are suggesting JM's position. That's interesting Niko, the more I think of that, just what is making you believe Judge was evil? What makes you so sure that she didn't have a power roll? Ah, is it because you KNOW who replaced JM because you can now chat with them?

See, you were again pretty quiet in the game, not really doing a great lot, just enough i feel to keep your face noticed, but sitting in the sidelines..
ok, so, here you say I need to be posting every 5 minutes.... at least I was around around change of nite. You conveniently needed to get bed or wherever just 15 minutes before. You mean to tell me 15 minutes makes that big of a difference?

Here, again, just a little mention of your thoughts towards me, not the strong evidence that i am evil and up to no good, but only a good suspect now? this has changed somewhat from hammering on my door, to be just a good suspect..
ok, if I'm not mentioning you, I am evil, if I am, I am evil. Niko... if you're going to try to build a case on me and copmpile all my posts to just 1 for yourself, at least be consistent inside the post. It was almost better when you were so inconsistent in post after post after post. The fact of the matter is, you were/are a suspect. I never moved my vote off of you.

To sum up, i think JM's role has been passed on to DD which would explain why her change in posting manners changed when JM went out of the game and why Blue is now moving away from DD...
again, I find it quite interesting how you seem to know JM's roll was an elf, not a power roll.

Of course, this could have a knock on effect on me as a townie and end up being lynched or hit, but, i feel i needed to bring out in the open what i was talking about last night and what people where questioning me over, and why i did not bring it out into the open.
who else questioned you besides Blue and me?

Read it, absorb it, take out of it what you like, but, this is what i have noticed. If nobody else can see this or see it some other way, then shout up...
my comments above in red





IMO its irresponsible not to kick in doors. This post for example, has raised an alarm bell, so I think its time to kick in your door. You seem to be doing a good job of blending in. You have no suspects at this point??? What are you hiding???

I agree...if nobody was willing to start kicking in doors or shaking tree's, then we would never be able to put people under pressure to see if they slip up with a post, make an ill comment. All that would happen is that the evil's would just lynch away and the innocents would be dropping like flies every game night...not good...So..Lets see what reaction we get from you now "you" have started to raise peoples alarm bells..

:popcorn:
can you explain what this means? Why would you want a reaction from charlie now that he has started raising people's alarm bells...? Charlie is responding to Grins... where do you fit in here? Do you want to talk about tag teams?



WOW...you have voted for me...for what? cus i posted a picture..?? lol..its amazing how rash actions happen when someone who is under pressure can reaction to some simple questioning

what's even more amazing is how you talk about how it's amazing what happens when someone who is under pressure can have a reaction to simple questioning..... wasn't that you on Day 1???

[Blueiz]

If you were referring to my question, Blue, it was not about LG, it was about Andi. Ice gave her a hard time and you and JP questioned her as well. Also Andi was going after CL and Coler, so I wanted your inputs on why you thought Andi was hit. I have my own theories, I just wanted to hear others' first.

I think andi was hit because of the confusion in her posts regarding what she thought the game was about..



Blue, here's an exchange between you and Niko. Let's pretend that I'm a moron (probably not such a stretch for some)... can you please explain to me what you're trying to get at here? Maybe it's just a 'guy' thing, but I truly don't understand what you're asking, and what response you were hoping for.


What I was trying to get is why he thinks I am innocent now, even tho he is high on my list. IMO, no one should be considered innocent in this game unless you are evil and know who your partners are, then youd know who wasnt on your team. The response I was looking for is one that made sense and directly addressed what was asked. Not a repetition of what I had stated in my question, or talking about proving something. As I have already said in a previous post, I think that hes trying to get me to lower him on my radar so I will put my attentin somewhere else and not vote for him.

To respond to Jpappy
I agree mad. I have been reading through the exchange and am still trying to figure out what the heck blue is getting at. I makes me wonder if she is just trying to pull something out of thin air to use against niko...

Im not trying to pull anything out of the air. I am going off what he has stated, as well as his avoidance of directly answering my question. If he is innocent, I feel that he would have had no problem directly answering it, even if it was "it means nothing", or it means that "we are both innocent and Im trying to prove to you I am", anything to answer the question instead of avoiding it and changing the subj.

[charlie_stubbs]

I think it would be irresponsible of me to bash doors at this point. It seems to bash down doors all willy nilly is a bit irresponsible of anyone really. Unless you have a pretty clear case of someone being evil you risk taking the focus off real scum and instead having others begin to target innocents. For proof of that just look at how LadyG was singled out and how quickly the town turned on her. Meanwhile the real scum were left to carry out their misdeeds and we lost one of our own. I'll "woman up" and ask questions and vote to protect the town but I am not going to fly off at the handle and play right into the hands of those that wish to do us harm.


IMO its irresponsible not to kick in doors. This post for example, has raised an alarm bell, so I think its time to kick in your door. You seem to be doing a good job of blending in. You have no suspects at this point??? What are you hiding???

Blueiz, here is Grins post, and then my response. Where is it that i "twisted" her words?? Note the question mark after the bolded part of my post.


If you read my vote last night you saw my list of reasons for voting for Clown. I still find him suspect. I also have mentioned that Niko's posting has been suspect. Why that equates to having no supsects is beyond me. But keep this in mind...I did not vote to lynch the innocent LadyG. As for clown whom I did vote for we don't yet know if he is innocent or not but I am suspecting not.

And now you, why the sudden false information about me not listing suspects? Are you trying to deflect from something? Hoping that perhaps another rash of mob mentality will lynch another innocent?

I find it odd that in the first part of the post you say CL is still suspect, then later you say he's not. Which one is it???
It's also suspicious that you want to point out that you didn't vote for LG whenever you get the chance. May I point out that since you probably knew she was innocent, I can see why you didn't want to vote for her. Well played.


Shaking trees is one thing, but what happened last night was the loss of 3 innocents...three. And I wasn't someone who voted for any of them to be lynched. Ask yourself this, who did.

Again pointing out you didn't vote for LG. Surely this means you're innocent right???


Im a bit more suspicious of Charlie now considering the above posts. Atnixon, my suspicion has never left and my vote will most likely end up on him. I cant help but think that he is trying to lower himself on my radar by saying he thinks Im innocent.


Niko, if you think Im innocent and I am voting for you because I strongly believe you are evil, what does that mean?

Charlie, are you and Niko working together? You two jumped on Grins for something very very small, even twisting what she said. Charlie, I expect that from Niko cause thats what he has proven he does, but not from you, can you explain why? Id like to think Its because you are knocking on doors trying to get the evil ones to slip up..and not that you are trying to start a train. Id hate to see what happened to LG happen again tonight.
I don't know if Niko and I are working together Blue, time will tell. I can tell you this, his eagerness to help me interrogate Grins is a little fishy. "Go find your own weasel Niko, I'm already kicking this one", is what I should have told him.
Again I ask you to show me where I twisted what she said. I guess you have the same plan as Grins then??? Sit back and wait for the scum to just go away. I find it interesting that you feel the need to take the pressure off Grinch. I mean Grins.

To answer the question of my questioning LG, yes, I asked her why she was so quiet because it is not like her, she answered. I didn't find anything suspicious about her answer because I find that it is highly unlikley she would make something up about her personal life as an explanation, I feel shes smart and crafty enough not to have to do that. That is why I did not pursue her anymore.

That, or like Grins, you knew that train was going to crash, so you were careful not to leave any prints at the crime scene. Not content with that, you must remind us you have left no prints at the crime scene. OK I get it. You must be innocent too. Everyone is innocent. Maybe you and Grins are right, the scumbags all left town. We must have bored them all to death.

Looking back on last night fall, it being night one and the game just starting, Id like to say if you arent going to play, please do not sign up. I understand RL sometimes leaving you unavailable and its out of your control, however its pointless to sign up if you arent even going to start to play.

My comments above, in red

[jpappy789]

If you read my vote last night you saw my list of reasons for voting for Clown. I still find him suspect. I also have mentioned that Niko's posting has been suspect. Why that equates to having no supsects is beyond me. But keep this in mind...I did not vote to lynch the innocent LadyG. As for clown whom I did vote for we don't yet know if he is innocent or not but I am suspecting not.

And now you, why the sudden false information about me not listing suspects? Are you trying to deflect from something? Hoping that perhaps another rash of mob mentality will lynch another innocent?

Well Chas you twisted this part just now^^^

Grins says we dont now if clown is INNOCENT or NOT she thinks not as in NOT innocent as in EVIL...

[Blueiz]

I can't help but notice you say how quickly "the town" turned on her, as though you aren't part of the town. Is this what is called a Fruedian slip??? Explain to me again who you voted for last night, and how you came to vote for this person if you didn't shake any trees???


Blueiz, here is Grins post, and then my response. Where is it that i "twisted" her words?? Note the question mark after the bolded part of my post.

The above quoted post in bold is why I said that Charlie..

[charlie_stubbs]

Well Chas you twisted this part just now^^^

Grins says we dont now if clown is INNOCENT or NOT she thinks not as in NOT innocent as in EVIL...
Actually i misread that. Thanks Pap. My apologies Grins, I acknowledge I misread part of your post.

[jpappy789]

The above quoted post in bold is why I said that Charlie..

I dont get that either...care to explain Chas why referring to the "town" as a group somehow was meant to exclude Grins???

[charlie_stubbs]

The above quoted post in bold is why I said that Charlie..
Well, i wouldn't call that twisting her words, but I suppose you might.

If I don't turn over stones I'm not going to find scum. Besides, in this town the minute I stop kicking weasels the votes start to pile on. "Charlie's playing differently this game" or "Charlie isn't kicking many weasels" usually comes about 100 posts before I'm in the noose.

I already have a scumbag in my crosshairs (HN), but theres no harm in looking for more now is there???

[Blueiz]

I dont get that either...care to explain Chas why referring to the "town" as a group somehow was meant to exclude Grins???


If you care to read the whole post jpappy, CS goes on to ask if it was a freudian slip that grins made. I saw it as CS insinuating that she said "the town" because she was not part of "the town".

[charlie_stubbs]

I dont get that either...care to explain Chas why referring to the "town" as a group somehow was meant to exclude Grins???
Its called pressure. I wanted to apply pressure to her, to see if she cracked. More importantly, it seems to have drawn more rats out of the woodwork though.

[jpappy789]

If you care to read the whole post jpappy, CS goes on to ask if it was a freudian slip that grins made. I saw it as CS insinuating that she said "the town" because she was not part of "the town".

Well I get that but I was trying to figure out how that even means anything...


Its called pressure. I wanted to apply pressure to her, to see if she cracked. More importantly, it seems to have drawn more rats out of the woodwork though.

Who are you referring to?

[charlie_stubbs]

If you care to read the whole post jpappy, CS goes on to ask if it was a freudian slip that grins made. I saw it as CS insinuating that she said "the town" because she was not part of "the town".
precisely Blue.

[jpappy789]

precisely Blue.

well I get it, but I dont agree with it

[charlie_stubbs]

Well I get that but I was trying to figure out how that even means anything...



Who are you referring to?
I am refering to you, my hairy friend.

[Blueiz]

To add, it goes with the rest of the sentence of picking out very very samll things. An innocent was lost last night for this reason..Would like for us to be careful and not jump on somoene and lynch them for something so small. Im all for kicking down doors. I did not however want to see a train for over this "the town" statement.

[jpappy789]

I am refering to you, my hairy friend.

ok chas...:shakehead:

[charlie_stubbs]

To add, it goes with the rest of the sentence of picking out very very samll things. An innocent was lost last night for this reason..Would like for us to be careful and not jump on somoene and lynch them for something so small. Im all for kicking down doors. I did not however want to see a train for over this "the town" statement.
I agree with this Blue, and i think the best thing the pressure did was bring Pap into the mix. He has a habit of only taking part of a post and using it out of context. I think he was hoping to get a nibble, but soon as you pointed out his mistake, he lost steam. I never suggested lynching Grins because of her "the town" post

[jpappy789]

I agree with this Blue, and i think the best thing the pressure did was bring Pap into the mix. He has a habit of only taking part of a post and using it out of context. I think he was hoping to get a nibble, but soon as you pointed out his mistake, he lost steam. I never suggested lynching Grins because of her "the town" post
Ummm I was wondering why the heck you made it seem like such a big deal and I kinda still am...

[jpappy789]

I agree with this Blue, and i think the best thing the pressure did was bring Pap into the mix. He has a habit of only taking part of a post and using it out of context. I think he was hoping to get a nibble, but soon as you pointed out his mistake, he lost steam. I never suggested lynching Grins because of her "the town" post

Show me where I have done that this game.

[charlie_stubbs]

Show me where I have done that this game.

If i must.


I dont get that either...care to explain Chas why referring to the "town" as a group somehow was meant to exclude Grins???

In this post, you exclude the part of my post where i ask if this is a freudian slip. Rather than quote the whole post, you quote part of the post, the part you think might gather suspicion.

[jpappy789]

If i must.



In this post, you exclude the part of my post where i ask if this is a freudian slip. Rather than quote the whole post, you quote part of the post, the part you think might gather suspicion.
Chas, I never quoted you in that post, I quoted blue. SO if you are referring to the fact that she quoted you and I didnt include ypurs, excuse me for not knowing how to do the post within a post thing...

[Madcrawdad]

Mad, however you find my case for Niko is fine, I accept your opinion, but my opinion is different from yous. That, I accept too... maybe you might. As I have said in games past, I don't expect everyone to have the exact opinion I do, that's why it is important to put out our thoughts so we can discuss them.... because of the diversity of opinions. I still think it's a pretty good find. In my eyes, Niko certainly screwed up and his trying to weasle out of it only made it worse. The back-peddling was clear as day.

It was Day 1, and not everything is always clear then, so alot of folks go with hunches....which is what you did. Fine. It just seemed odd that you felt the need to come out so early on Day 2 and give reasons why you didn't vote for LG or CL.


To answer your other question. The reason I never mentioned Coler as being one of my top suspects is because he wasn't at the time. My top concern at the time was Charlie and Niko. Are they still suspicious to me, sure they are, you bet. I nearly switched my vote for him, I nearly did for G too, if you must know but something told me she was simply having a bad day. I try to list those who are most suspicious to me, not those I am simply having knee-jerk reactions to or am not so sure about. Look what happened last game, they were completely blindsided.

This is interesting, DD, in that in an earlier post you mentioned that you never really felt the whole 'LG is scum' thing. Here you mention that you almost voted to lynch her. A little inconsistent.

[bethkira2000]

okay I am here breifly I have copany over in RL so I am so sorry I caused do much conspiracy last night. I only voted for myself because I was sure of my postion, and I didn't want to throw out random votes if I wasn't sure but with the rate innocents were lost it probably would not have mattered.

[bethkira2000]

Oh and my first choces for tonight are ( in no particular order)
Coler
Madcrawdad
and Plantling

[bethkira2000]

LG I know you are watching and I am very sorry not to have explained myself to you at least.

[Madcrawdad]

okay I am here breifly I have copany over in RL so I am so sorry I caused do much conspiracy last night. I only voted for myself because I was sure of my postion, and I didn't want to throw out random votes if I wasn't sure but with the rate innocents were lost it probably would not have mattered.


Oh and my first choces for tonight are ( in no particular order)
Coler
Madcrawdad
and Plantling

Beth, in your first post here you mention that you were unsure who to vote for last night...so unsure that you voted for yourself, right?

Since last night you voted for yourself (and not me), apparently I didn't seem scummy enough to warrant your vote at the time. Would you mind telling me what I've done today that might have put me back onto your radar?

[bethkira2000]

well not sure call it intuition, but i have read all the posts and out of the three you would be last choice. And I am not 100 to be honest I am leaning toward Coler or plantling. And Last night I had thougt of you but wasn't sure, just like tonight.

[jpappy789]

well not sure call it intuition, but i have read all the posts and out of the three you would be last choice. And I am not 100 to be honest I am leaning toward Coler or plantling. And Last night I had thougt of you but wasn't sure, just like tonight.
just a friendly reminder beth...intuition will not get you through the game. eventually people will want evidence. pretty soon the "newb effect" will wear off and people will be expecting more from you...

[bethkira2000]

your right MAdcrawdad I apologize so many innocents were lost last night I think people are jumpy. You have been written off the list for now. but my choice of Coler and plantling still stand.

[Blueiz]

okay I am here breifly I have copany over in RL so I am so sorry I caused do much conspiracy last night. I only voted for myself because I was sure of my postion, and I didn't want to throw out random votes if I wasn't sure but with the rate innocents were lost it probably would not have mattered.


Beth, I understand you are new. However your posts overall seem out of nowhere really. And voting to lynch yourself, unless you are evil, doesnt help the town...

[Hooked Newbie]

^ the non vote is suspicious niko.

checking back I see JL and HN are voting for me - bit early lads no ? I hope I was at least investigated and that one person therefore has empirical proof of my innocence.

HN 'attack me like you did clown' - lol clown is still around, also it was me voted clown, and clown who attacked me...of course I respondend...read the posts my friend. if you're going to vote for me you might show us the case - I didn't vote for an innocent last night at least :D (not saying you did can't remember :))

I always vote a "bit early", apparently you need the read the posts yourself. I was up on an outage call and waiting for people to get into place so I decided to read what I'd missed.
How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Charlie? I unfortunately and admittedly did. I saw Lady as suspicious. Who'd you vote for again?


Well, on the other end of the spectrum, you seem to be convinced I'm guilty. Why was I your best "suspect" again???

You are continually latching onto minutae and seem to be feigning weasel kicking.


Notice here you are "linked" with Andi the same way I was "linked" to JM and then "linked" to LG. Next I'll be "linked" to you, because I see the things that you see.

You were "linked" because you posted a theory on me (which was and is false) and before I had the chance felt the need to restate it. That to me looks like it didn't garner enough attention in your eyes the first time. The other person to do that was someone I believe was guilty (JMax- sorry girl).


Well HN, getting on the Coler train early are you??? I suspect you're only there to help get it rolling, but you will move your vote back to me once its gained enough steam to get to the finish.
I'm curious, do you have a conspiracy theory in regards to CL, who has shriveled from the light???


As I explained, I voted for him to see his reaction. Oddly enough it's produced a sharper response from you. That alone is curious to me.


Above, I have bolded a statement you made. Please explain which players were questioning your silence, with post numbers. Also, where are the names of the "grinchies" you promised. You know exactly who they are.

There were several who posted that they wanted an explanation from me or wondered why I hadn't responded. If you weren't one of them, sorry. I do think you were impatient to get the train rolling on me though.

Here you say you just need one more review and you have a few good candidates. Uh Huh. Another post thats all bun, no beef.

Again, you're apparently not reading. I posted my list shortly after this quote. Try this, read all the posts and stop trying to cherry pick the ones that you think will twist my overall play.


And finally, in the above bolded area you state LG and I both went quiet. I always post in the morning, and then after work. Now you try to paint me in a bad light by doing the same thing you claim I am doing. You should know my posting schedule, yet you state that I've gone quiet. Uh huh. hoping that would get some nibbles???
I vote to lynch HN



Well, i wouldn't call that twisting her words, but I suppose you might.

If I don't turn over stones I'm not going to find scum. Besides, in this town the minute I stop kicking weasels the votes start to pile on. "Charlie's playing differently this game" or "Charlie isn't kicking many weasels" usually comes about 100 posts before I'm in the noose.

I already have a scumbag in my crosshairs (HN), but theres no harm in looking for more now is there???

I know I would. Did ya jump at the opportunity to make a false case too quick again? Feel free to run the train on me, I'll even make it easy for you since I am going out tonight and won't be back until tomorrow noonish. All I ask is that when I am lynched, the town look at those responsible.

[Hooked Newbie]

Edit to my last. The line reading How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Charlie?. Should read How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Coler?

[Rbishop]

Clown-lover has had some real life issues develop and has sent me an e-mail stating he will not be able to pay appropriate attention to the rest of this game, and has decided to drop out.

A total of 14 Townies remain as players from the original 21.

9 of them are Innocents.

5 are Evils.

All power roles are intact. There has not been any switching from evil to good/good to evil.

[bethkira2000]

Blueiz I know but I wasn't going to back on until late today and I thought that it really would make sense, i was soooo wrong. I know my postion but it was better to vote for me than say someone that I had no proof on.

[Madcrawdad]

Clown-lover has had some real life issues develop and has sent me an e-mail stating he will not be able to pay appropriate attention to the rest of this game, and has decided to drop out.

A total of 14 Townies remain as players from the original 21.

9 of them are Innocents.

5 are Evils.

All power roles are intact. There has not been any switching from evil to good/good to evil.

Hope all is well with CL....based on the counts, it appears that CL was an evil.

[charlie_stubbs]

I always vote a "bit early", apparently you need the read the posts yourself. I was up on an outage call and waiting for people to get into place so I decided to read what I'd missed.
How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Charlie? I unfortunately and admittedly did. I saw Lady as suspicious. Who'd you vote for again?



As I explained, I voted for him to see his reaction. Oddly enough it's produced a sharper response from you. That alone is curious to me.





I know I would. Did ya jump at the opportunity to make a false case too quick again? Feel free to run the train on me, I'll even make it easy for you since I am going out tonight and won't be back until tomorrow noonish. All I ask is that when I am lynched, the town look at those responsible.

Do you mind telling why you quoted Coler's post then asked me why I know i didn't vote for an innocent. I voted for LG. Skimming were you?

[jpappy789]

Clown-lover has had some real life issues develop and has sent me an e-mail stating he will not be able to pay appropriate attention to the rest of this game, and has decided to drop out.

A total of 14 Townies remain as players from the original 21.

9 of them are Innocents.

5 are Evils.

All power roles are intact. There has not been any switching from evil to good/good to evil.
hmmm...so nikos "theory" is now out the window

so we started with 7 evils right (grinch and 6 elves)...what still remains unanswered is was cl or jmax evil?

[jpappy789]

Hope all is well with CL....based on the counts, it appears that CL was an evil.
what about jmax mad? all rb said was that switching would be done if needed after she had to drop out...unless I missed something...

[charlie_stubbs]

Edit to my last. The line reading How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Charlie?. Should read How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Coler?
i see you posted already

[jpappy789]

Do you mind telling why you quoted Coler's post then asked me why I know i didn't vote for an innocent. I voted for LG. Skimming were you?


Edit to my last. The line reading How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Charlie?. Should read How do you KNOW you didn't vote for an innocent Coler?
no Chas are you skimming? you seem eager to jump on everything without reading the thread completely

[jpappy789]

ok nevermind you figured it out...

[Reefscape]

not on my comp and cant get the quote thing working, so i will reply to DD's comments from post # 584 best i can..just bare with me here..lol..Why should i not go over those who are questioning me DD?? Its a natural reaction to look at the person who is looking at you..Yes, ok, i was getting mixed up with the two of asking me the questions, i admit it, so be it..nothing more i could do..however, nothing in what i said back in them post exchanges makes me evil..not IMO anyway..you think differently..oh well..I am not trying to convince anyone DD, they will take what they want from what i posted, if they think something is in it, then they will take a look at you. I simply felt something was not right, so, i assessed your posts, felt i found a pattern and posted my thoughts...that is what the townies are supposed to do, post their thoughts on other whom they have a suspicion something is not right with..You believe i am evil? so be it DD, you think how you want, if i get lyched off, you'll have a big surprise when i show up as innocent..and i hope then that eyes really start to turn in your direction.Maybe i should of been forthright with what i was thinking in day 1, but i believed that if i had come out and put my thoughts on the table, it would of just been wasted what i thinking....I had explained what pattern i was refering too, go back and re-read it, i stated it clearly enough in that long post..On the moving you vote part....Where did i say i was "sure" JM had or had not a power roll, it was a thought i had..we are allowed to have them...No, i dont know who replaced JM...i have no idea, which is why i was looking for patterns in posting...I go to bed when i choose to DD, not when a game dictates..You said you found it interesting how i seem to know JM's roll was an elf, and not a power roll...well, if you care to re-read what i said, i never said i know JM's roll was an elf, and not a power roll...i dont see why you need to read into my words more than what is in the post..sounds like your twisting it a little there...and just to confirm...in the part that you quoted of me, i said " I THINK "...nowhere did i mention I KNOW..ON the part where you quoted myself and charlie....Where did i say i was after a reaction from Charlie??? If you care to go back and look at the convo that was going on, you will see that i as talking about Grins..thats quite clear to see in the thread as i have been back and re-read it...So, no, there is no tag team to talk about..///game offHope you followed that ok DD, sorry if its hard to read///game on

[Reefscape]

wow....that post was screwed up...

[bethkira2000]

atnixon.....WHAT????

[Reefscape]

LOL....ok..i give up trying to get this comp to quote right...CL, i hope everyting is alright dude...

[jpappy789]

not on my comp and cant get the quote thing working, so i will reply to DD's comments from post # 584 best i can..just bare with me here..lol..Why should i not go over those who are questioning me DD?? Its a natural reaction to look at the person who is looking at you..Yes, ok, i was getting mixed up with the two of asking me the questions, i admit it, so be it..nothing more i could do..however, nothing in what i said back in them post exchanges makes me evil..not IMO anyway..you think differently..oh well..I am not trying to convince anyone DD, they will take what they want from what i posted, if they think something is in it, then they will take a look at you. I simply felt something was not right, so, i assessed your posts, felt i found a pattern and posted my thoughts...that is what the townies are supposed to do, post their thoughts on other whom they have a suspicion something is not right with..You believe i am evil? so be it DD, you think how you want, if i get lyched off, you'll have a big surprise when i show up as innocent..and i hope then that eyes really start to turn in your direction.Maybe i should of been forthright with what i was thinking in day 1, but i believed that if i had come out and put my thoughts on the table, it would of just been wasted what i thinking....I had explained what pattern i was refering too, go back and re-read it, i stated it clearly enough in that long post..On the moving you vote part....Where did i say i was "sure" JM had or had not a power roll, it was a thought i had..we are allowed to have them...No, i dont know who replaced JM...i have no idea, which is why i was looking for patterns in posting...I go to bed when i choose to DD, not when a game dictates..You said you found it interesting how i seem to know JM's roll was an elf, and not a power roll...well, if you care to re-read what i said, i never said i know JM's roll was an elf, and not a power roll...i dont see why you need to read into my words more than what is in the post..sounds like your twisting it a little there...and just to confirm...in the part that you quoted of me, i said " I THINK "...nowhere did i mention I KNOW..ON the part where you quoted myself and charlie....Where did i say i was after a reaction from Charlie??? If you care to go back and look at the convo that was going on, you will see that i as talking about Grins..thats quite clear to see in the thread as i have been back and re-read it...So, no, there is no tag team to talk about..///game offHope you followed that ok DD, sorry if its hard to read///game on
hey niko...rb mentioned that there was no switching from good/evil when he announced that cl has to quit so I am assuming that means that no one switchded roles after jm dropped...so yeah

[kuhliloach]

is it too late to read everything to understand what's going on or am i already dead?

[Reefscape]

For post # 629 .....Valid point JP...

[jpappy789]

is it too late to read everything to understand what's going on or am i already dead?
sorry evil elf sum...no vote=UD...you are dead

[IceH2O]

I went off to bed, it was late here and i did not see the vote tally



Nailed what exactly



Again, i went off to bed. I made my vote on who "I" thought was evil, not go jumping on the trains that were forming..If thats concidered evil, then keep your vote on me. I will review better shortly when i get to work..

I am glad we got one scum out of the town, and am really sorry to see the innocents gone.

Niko, What are your thoughts on CL? Obviously you must have thought LG was innocent since your vote didn't land there. What about LGs post tipped you off to her innocence?

I think its the townies job to know the vote tally IMO, Rb even posted one not long before night fall at 5:55 or so


to lynch...

plant (1) by jl66 68

hook (1) by cs 78

niko (2) by DD 116 blue 143

clown (4) by coler 188 andi 325 mad 334 gup 350

andi (1) by jpap 351

lady (4) by plant 279 clown 306 hook 362 ice 377

sploke (1) by niko 332

beth (2) by beth 338 lady 348

16 of 20 have voted...

no votes from kuhli kotd grins sploke

2 hours until nightfall....

PMs for nightfall/next day as required/desired...

At that time it was 4-4, you saying you skimmed past this large post and had no idea it was tied?


[QUOTE=andi872;1179605][quote=Coler;1179082]




Well Andi was mostly on Clown and Coler. I've already posted my thoughts on Clown being likely innocent for Nikos non vote, may as well be considered one considering where it ended up.

Coler is another player that bears watching, though Niko could have not voted for Clown because he is evil too and putting his vote on LG would have been the vote that killed her.

So I'm at a cross road here.

Niko evil for his non vote

Clown could be evil because of Nikos vote, so I take back my thoughts of innocence on him. Last game whenever people questioned Clown he turned them or hit them, same thing could be happening here.

Clown could be innocent, therefore Niko couldn't vote him either for the same reason he couldn't vote LG.

Coler could be either, but we wouldn't know without lynching him or Clown or investigating him and that does only 1 person any good as they can't come out and tell us.

My vote stands for now as its the one I'm most sure of at the moment.

You conveniently missed this post also. You quoted my 1st post of the new day in which I said I thought CL might be innocent but you didn't feel the need to comment on my new thoughts?


Just wanted go over a little more what was said towards me over night..



As i stated, it was late for me here and i went off to bed, i am never up late enough to see the end of the day in the game. Time zones mate, time zones..

I put my vote on the person i feel is evil, not the person that everyone else does.

You vote to lynch me just because i did not jump on a train, quite a poor reason to put a lynch on somebody Ice..

What answers are you after Ice? ask away....

Its quite easy for you start stating things like running off, when clearly it is not the case as i have explained that i went off to bed..So, clearly now, there was no running off..


I stated it because its true. I've already showed that before you left for bed that a vote tally was put up so you had to have an idea of what it was.

Heres another vote tally at 7:17



6 votes coler ( a couple of posts later Rb fixes it as being Clown not coler)

6 votes lady

2 votes niko

1 vote each on plant sploke beth

17 0f 20 voting

no votes from kuhli, kotd, sploke

A mere minute after your last post.

My vote is on you because of these facts. Also did you see that your vote for Sploke ended up being on an innocent? Just not the innocent that was lynched.

So again I ask of you. What were your thoughts on CL, going through I see he had to leave the game. But your thoughts on him still matter to me.




Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.



Another nail in the coffin Niko? Now you're chasing newbies expecting them to play like experienced players? Give them a few days to get settled and a feel for the game.


JP...i see the point your making there mate, i realise i did go a little bit hard on Grins..Appologies out to Grins..

Oh I see you apologized. Did a team member tell you it was a bit harsh also?


Blueiz, here is Grins post, and then my response. Where is it that i "twisted" her words?? Note the question mark after the bolded part of my post.



[COLOR=Red]I find it odd that in the first part of the post you say CL is still suspect, then later you say he's not. Which one is it???
It's also suspicious that you want to point out that you didn't vote for LG whenever you get the chance. May I point out that since you probably knew she was innocent, I can see why you didn't want to vote for her. Well played.



Actually i misread that. Thanks Pap. My apologies Grins, I acknowledge I misread part of your post.

To funny, 1st Niko and Charlie both jump on a newb and then they both apologize. Is the Grinch getting mad at you two?


Clown-lover has had some real life issues develop and has sent me an e-mail stating he will not be able to pay appropriate attention to the rest of this game, and has decided to drop out.

A total of 14 Townies remain as players from the original 21.

9 of them are Innocents.

5 are Evils.

All power roles are intact. There has not been any switching from evil to good/good to evil.

I'm sorry to hear that CL, I think you were evil IMO but we will not know till the games over I guess.

We started out with 21
14 innocents
7 evil

we lost 5 people 4 innocents and 1 evil which makes it 10 innocents and 6 evil.

Then JM and CL had to bow out. So one of each has bowed out it looks like. I had more evil vibe from CL so I'm going to say JM was the innocent one.



Hope all is well with CL....based on the counts, it appears that CL was an evil.

I agree

[IceH2O]

hey niko...rb mentioned that there was no switching from good/evil when he announced that cl has to quit so I am assuming that means that no one switchded roles after jm dropped...so yeah


is it too late to read everything to understand what's going on or am i already dead?

In my post it shows a quote by Coler, that was actually my quote. Don't know why it did that and I could fix it but it would require editing and I can't do that lol.

Thanks Jpap, I didn't feel like trying to quote Nikos post and explain it but yes nothing was said to be switched so your "theory" Niko is null and void. But I'm sure you'll find another way to lynch an innocent.

Kuhli, Ever consider stand up comedy?

Maybe you could start a thread of UD mafia. The last person left loses.

[bethkira2000]

do we vote tonight or tomorrow I missed it somewhere

[IceH2O]

Don't know how you miss such a big part of the game it being the Night Fall vote and all but its tomorrow by 8 PM EST

[jpappy789]

Game ON.....

Nightfall for Game Day #2 is at 8 PM EST, Saturday, 12/01....
you must vote by then else you suffer an UD

[bethkira2000]

thank you I know but I have company in RL and didn't want to miss it, I read alot too.

[Madcrawdad]

what about jmax mad? all rb said was that switching would be done if needed after she had to drop out...unless I missed something...

you're right... I assumed that since rb posted the counts after CL quit, that it was CL who was evil... I'll need to rethink.

[Reefscape]

Ice, answers to post #633.........My thoughts on CL? i dont know now, not had a great lot of thoughts about him.................Regards to the first quoted vote tally, i did not see it..lynch me for skimming if you choose.............As i have said before, just because others see someone as evil, does that mean i have too and just follow suit with my vote? i dont think so, i have my own thoughts without people pulling my strings...at that point, clown and LG were both on 4 votes each, because they were the two highest people being voted, does that mean i have to put my vote onto one of them? no, it does not........................If you care to go back and check on the second vote tally, which was post number #472, it was actually after i had left the game, my last post # was 469...so, you cant really use that second vote count against me.................So, as i have shown you that the facts that you have presented in your post are not correct, you really should be re-assessing why your vote is on me, as the "Facts" you have presented are not all "facts"..........................I appologised to Grins because i felt i had been pushing too hard on someone who was new to the game. Read whatever you want into me appologising......

[Rbishop]

to lynch...

niko (2) by ice 506 grins 564

coler (2) by hook 514 jl66 539

hook (1) by cs 553


5 of 14 have voted....

Nightfall in about 25 hours....

[IceH2O]

Ice, answers to post #633.........My thoughts on CL? i dont know now, not had a great lot of thoughts about him.................Regards to the first quoted vote tally, i did not see it..lynch me for skimming if you choose.............As i have said before, just because others see someone as evil, does that mean i have too and just follow suit with my vote? i dont think so, i have my own thoughts without people pulling my strings...at that point, clown and LG were both on 4 votes each, because they were the two highest people being voted, does that mean i have to put my vote onto one of them? no, it does not........................If you care to go back and check on the second vote tally, which was post number #472, it was actually after i had left the game, my last post # was 469...so, you cant really use that second vote count against me.................So, as i have shown you that the facts that you have presented in your post are not correct, you really should be re-assessing why your vote is on me, as the "Facts" you have presented are not all "facts"..........................I appologised to Grins because i felt i had been pushing too hard on someone who was new to the game. Read whatever you want into me appologising......

I pointed out that the last vote tally was a minute after your last post. You didn't post after that but it doesn't mean you weren't online at that time still looking.

I'm not saying you had to vote either one just that it looks suspicious that you left with the votes tied. The last one you claimed to see was 4-4. You had to see votes being bolded. Did you not think to see who they were being piled on?

You say you had no thoughts on CL. Does that mean you didn't think either innocent or evil?

Did you think LG was innocent? If you did and had no feelings on CL then why not save LG who you feel is innocent, if thats your thoughts?

Obviously you thought Sploke was worth the vote, who was also innocent, even though DD was the one you were most casting suspicion on. Why not vote her?

Your vote was worthless to the town. If anything it helped the evil elves. The possibilities that CL was evil are 50/50 according to the new numbers.

Did you not vote for CL to try to save him? Did you not vote LG because you knew she was innocent? Your only course of action was to place a vote in a safe place.

My vote stands.

[IceH2O]

to lynch...

niko (2) by ice 506 grins 564

coler (2) by hook 514 jl66 539

hook (1) by cs 553


5 of 14 have voted....

Nightfall in about 25 hours....

NIKO LOOK A VOTE TALLY

[IceH2O]

Niko I was a bit wrong.

DD wasn't the one you were casting suspicion on.

It was a little on

LG
DD
Blue
Coler

and a case on Sploke.

[clown-lover]

/// Game Off
Hey guys.. Sorry to bail on the game but my GF fell on some ice going into work after lunch yesterday to the point where the bone above the elbow was fractured and had to be pinned.. So she is not doing to hot right now and I've been turned into a nurse maid.. I would love to try and play but with this, the amount of time I have will be limited as she is extremely bruised as well..
/// Game On

[IceH2O]

well, that was a lot of reading, one or two actually belly laughs, and some moments, when all i can do is go WTF?..so far hoked admitted to being and elf, and plant to santa>?>>.WTF?..


I would hope not, lol, but as i read them, it threw me for a loop, I am like wtf?..where is the game, when every one is giving away who they are, esp. santa?..

Okay I went through the posts again and while looking over the early parts of the 1st day I notice not once but twice JM mentioned santa.

This I take as being an evil move. She is pointing out power roles.

In this light Clown was innocent IMO.

So Niko is that why you didn't want to be the vote on either to push them over the edge?

[IceH2O]

/// Game Off
Hey guys.. Sorry to bail on the game but my GF fell on some ice going into work after lunch yesterday to the point where the bone above the elbow was fractured and had to be pinned.. So she is not doing to hot right now and I've been turned into a nurse maid.. I would love to try and play but with this, the amount of time I have will be limited as she is extremely bruised as well..
/// Game On

Does your wife make you wear the outfit?

Hope she gets to feeling better quickly.

[IceH2O]

I'm thinking that Niko and Charlie are my best suspects at this time,Charlie for a few questionable posts that coincide with Nikos.

My last suspect at this moment would be Beth but I'm still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for the time being since she is new to the game and popping pills.

Coler has me worried also.

Coler is acting way off this game. I thought he might just be trying to throw a different game play out as I have also tried to do it but I always end up reverting back. He hasn't reverted back.

He wasn't hit last night so maybe the reckless play will stop and he'll actually concentrate on ridding the town of the evil elves.

[IceH2O]

Or he is evil and will continue to claim he will be hit that night and continue his reckless play.

Time will tell.

[IceH2O]

Looking back at todays posts I see Coler only made 1 post. Guess the reckless posting has stopped but going pretty much completely quiet isn't going to help lessen suspicions either.

Anyone else going to post tonight? I'm getting ready to watch a movie. I'll check in later.

[Dangerdoll]

not on my comp and cant get the quote thing working, so i will reply to DD's comments from post # 584 best i can..just bare with me here..lol..Why should i not go over those who are questioning me DD?? Its a natural reaction to look at the person who is looking at you..Yes, ok, i was getting mixed up with the two of asking me the questions, i admit it, so be it..nothing more i could do..however, nothing in what i said back in them post exchanges makes me evil..not IMO anyway..you think differently..oh well..I am not trying to convince anyone DD, they will take what they want from what i posted, if they think something is in it, then they will take a look at you. I simply felt something was not right, so, i assessed your posts, felt i found a pattern and posted my thoughts...that is what the townies are supposed to do, post their thoughts on other whom they have a suspicion something is not right with..You believe i am evil? so be it DD, you think how you want, if i get lyched off, you'll have a big surprise when i show up as innocent..and i hope then that eyes really start to turn in your direction.Maybe i should of been forthright with what i was thinking in day 1, but i believed that if i had come out and put my thoughts on the table, it would of just been wasted what i thinking....I had explained what pattern i was refering too, go back and re-read it, i stated it clearly enough in that long post..On the moving you vote part....Where did i say i was "sure" JM had or had not a power roll, it was a thought i had..we are allowed to have them...No, i dont know who replaced JM...i have no idea, which is why i was looking for patterns in posting...I go to bed when i choose to DD, not when a game dictates..You said you found it interesting how i seem to know JM's roll was an elf, and not a power roll...well, if you care to re-read what i said, i never said i know JM's roll was an elf, and not a power roll...i dont see why you need to read into my words more than what is in the post..sounds like your twisting it a little there...and just to confirm...in the part that you quoted of me, i said " I THINK "...nowhere did i mention I KNOW..ON the part where you quoted myself and charlie....Where did i say i was after a reaction from Charlie??? If you care to go back and look at the convo that was going on, you will see that i as talking about Grins..thats quite clear to see in the thread as i have been back and re-read it...So, no, there is no tag team to talk about..///game offHope you followed that ok DD, sorry if its hard to read///game on

wow this post is a mess.... Niko, really, you needn't try to convince me that you are innocently playing along, looking at me because I looked at you first, come on. How old are we? I basically asked why you were scraping the bottom of the barrel for things, not simply, "why me". You still see nothing with those exchanges when asking folks to look at your posts, you want people to focus on you?

Tell me. What kind of pattern can you see from day 1? With the limited time you were here while I was at the same time, and my UD last game, just what kind of pattern are you going by? Reading other games? Which ones? I want you to be careful how you answer here now.

About JM. Why would you even try to put the thought out there that JM was an evil and her roll was passed on to anyone, I'm sorry to who you were claiming was "changing patterns". Is that to say you think she had a power role? I think not, Niko. Come on, give us a little credit here. You were trying to put the thought out insinuating that JM was evil because you know it. This was even before CL was out so try not to climb that tree either. You call me reading into your words at this point. Twisting. Well Niko, "ok, I thought you were saying that JM had a role, and that's why you quoted so much on me, to show I had a role? Just doesn't make sense. Maybe thinking before typing would help. Better yet, try waiting until you get back to your own PC so you have more time to think things through before placing "post reply". For a little help, here's exactly what you said:
"To sum up, i think JM's role has been passed on to DD which would explain why her change in posting manners changed when JM went out of the game and why Blue is now moving away from DD..."
Yeah, that screams power role over elf. Come on, please.

That whole charlie part, Niko.... well, tell me then, if you were talking to Grins, why were you quoting Charlie?

speaking of charlie... no DD in roleplaying this game?



/// Game Off
Hey guys.. Sorry to bail on the game but my GF fell on some ice going into work after lunch yesterday to the point where the bone above the elbow was fractured and had to be pinned.. So she is not doing to hot right now and I've been turned into a nurse maid.. I would love to try and play but with this, the amount of time I have will be limited as she is extremely bruised as well..
/// Game On

g/o
so sorry to hear this CL, I hope she gets to feeling better soon and heals well enough. I know it musta sucked for you both. All my best.
g/o

[Madcrawdad]

Okay I went through the posts again and while looking over the early parts of the 1st day I notice not once but twice JM mentioned santa.

This I take as being an evil move. She is pointing out power roles.

In this light Clown was innocent IMO.

So Niko is that why you didn't want to be the vote on either to push them over the edge?

Not sure about the JMax and CL innocent v. evil, Ice. Andi also mentioned Santa and ended up innocent... I liked CL for scum more than I did JMax, but unfortunately we possibly won't know their status until the end of the game.



Or he is evil and will continue to claim he will be hit that night and continue his reckless play.

Time will tell.

Glad you came up with this one...I saw it missing in your earlier post and wondered why you were giving Coler a pass.


Looking back at todays posts I see Coler only made 1 post. Guess the reckless posting has stopped but going pretty much completely quiet isn't going to help lessen suspicions either.

Anyone else going to post tonight? I'm getting ready to watch a movie. I'll check in later.

Coler posted someplace yesterday or last night that he'd be off the thread most of the today.

[IceH2O]

Still waiting for the family to get together to watch the movie. They all want to see a CSI they recorded.

I'm not convinced on which was which either Mad, just throwing out thoughts. I had no one to bounce the ideas off of and so the rambling and back and forth.

I can't find anything that says Coler won't be on today except one post but I took it as him talking about he'd be hit last night and thats why he wouldn't be around.


yes...rather amazingly despite the fact that I am a scumbag (according to cl) and suspicious according to jpapp (and in a small way to LG) and have 'set up a train well' according to niko...there is not a single vote on me...

...I will not be around tomorrow, will come up innocent, and no one wants to have a vote against my name...correct fairies ?

[johnlarson66]

My vote stays on Coler. He made himself my "top suspect". There is something to the his play this game and the arguments with CL. I get an overall combative feel from him. It is hard to tell from just posts. Sarcasm and even comedy are lost on the thread.

I will be at work tomorrow, so I will be able to be active on the thread.

As far as what JM or CL was, I am not sure how important it is. What is more of a concern is that 1/3 of the town is gone on the first night and only 2 of the 7 were evil.

I hope we are done with UD's and dropping out. I will do my best to stay in. I can say this, next Monday is going to be real bad for me. Lots and lots of things to do.

/// game off

Cat lovers, check out this https://www.catgenie.com/ I will let you know how it works. I just ordered one, kinda payback for the short notice football trip.

/// game on

[Madcrawdad]

I can't find anything that says Coler won't be on today except one post but I took it as him talking about he'd be hit last night and thats why he wouldn't be around.

That's the one I was thinking of...apparently I misread his meaning.


As far as what JM or CL was, I am not sure how important it is. What is more of a concern is that 1/3 of the town is gone on the first night and only 2 of the 7 were evil.

Maybe not important, but it would be nice to know. If we knew CL's status for sure, it might tell something about those voting for him (or those not voting for him). Either way, we don't know at this point, so I agree that it'd likely be pointless exercise to spend too much time discussing.

[plantling]

is it too late to read everything to understand what's going on or am i already dead?
LOL, kuhli. Thanks for the comic relief you skimming Evil Elf!


Well, this game sure is full of twists. Between CL and JM, I would say CL was the evil one. Sigh, wish we could know for sure. I'm gonna need to do more searching before I vote.

[IceH2O]

game off

If anyones looking for a really good psychological thriller I recommend the movie Thr3e.

game on

I thought if I could figure it out that it would help put together teams but I agree we'd probably just end up running in circles.

I'm happy with my vote. Niko hasn't shown me anything that even remotely resembles innocence.

I would definitely like to hear from others on who their suspects are and why. I feel as though a lot of normally helpful people are laying low.

[gupman]

Originally Posted by jpappy789 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/../style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1181063#post1181063)
Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.




JP...i see the point your making there mate, i realise i did go a little bit hard on Grins..Appologies out to Grins..
Sorry I have not posted as much as i should Or what people i think I should..
But this here has me confused...Now first mad brought up about what grins had to say about her not kicking in doors and then youfollow then all the sudden jpap brings up the fact that she is a newb and she needs time to get the hang of things then all the sudden you agree then apologize Makes me think that you 2 are really 2 evils comunicating triing not to look like you are and grins is communicating as well?

[jpappy789]

Originally Posted by jpappy789 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/../style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1181063#post1181063)
Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.




Sorry I have not posted as much as i should Or what people i think I should..
But this here has me confused...Now first mad brought up about what grins had to say about her not kicking in doors and then youfollow then all the sudden jpap brings up the fact that she is a newb and she needs time to get the hang of things then all the sudden you agree then apologize Makes me think that you 2 are really 2 evils comunicating triing not to look like you are and grins is communicating as well?

Ummm...by mad I think you mean Chas

Anyways, I was just at a concert, Chicago was in town:perv:

So this will be my last post tonight, basically to put my suspects out there:

Chas
Niko
Coler

I will explain tomorrow, I have work in the morning until 4 CST and then I think I am going to Operation Christmas Child at 5ish...hopefully I can get on the comp, read, and place a vote in by night

[Grins]

WOW...you have voted for me...for what? cus i posted a picture..?? lol..its amazing how rash actions happen when someone who is under pressure can reaction to some simple questioning.

No, the case against you had been building, starting with the points first addressed by some of the other townspeople about your behavior and contradictory statements. The false information about when I was online was the major factor in my decision but at first I was even willing to allow you some room for doubt thinking it was perhaps computer error. But once I saw the stirring of a pot that didn't exist in order to create the illusion of susipicousness I no longer can do that. At this rate I'm sure that others will see your behavor for what it is...divide and separate the town. I don't say "our town" because at this point I don't feel it is your's.

[Grins]

First of all, only one innocent was lynched. Two innocents basically 'quit,' and another was hit by scum. Only LG's lynch was somewhat controllable by the town... Why are you trying to make it sound like innocent townies are getting lynched left and right?

I'm nor trying to do any such thing. I said we lost 3 innocent townspeople. Why are you twisting what I said?



If you're unwilling to put folk's feet to the fire to get information, what's your plan? How do you see it being more effective than grilling other players, especially given the time constraint that the town is under to rid itself of scum?

Again, I've not said I'm unwilling to put people's feet to the fire. However, to go around doing it all willy nilly because someone twists another's words or brings up something meaningless does not help our town when we are on a tight deadline. In fact it hurts it. Instead of focusing on the grinch and his evil elves it has us looking at innocents..like LadyG. I don't want that to happen again and I can't see how to be any more clear about that.



This post strikes me as interesting... you say 'We lynched one of our own.' This looks like you are saying the following: 'I, Grins, am innocent, and Lady G (who was also an innocent) was lynched by innocents.' What makes you so sure that LG was lynched by innocents? There are scum playing this game who also vote, what makes you think that some of them weren't on LG?

Oh jeez, how do I reply to such a thing? I never said I was lynched. And in essence I do believe that innocents had a role in lynching the good LadyG. We allowed it by focusing on trivial matters that the evil ones wanted us to in order to take the focus off of them.


I'm unclear as to why you're saying that it was innocents kicking down doors who mainly did in LG, and not even acknowleging that scum might have played a big part in the lynching of LG.[/QUOTE]

Oh scum played a huge part in her lynching. But so did we. We played right into their hands I'm afraid. Are we going to do it again?

[Grins]

Grins, if you are an innocent, it is your job to scour the thread for suspicious posts. Not every post that seems suspicious will be made by an evil, but it will not hurt to question the poster. As a matter of fact it helps me to get a better feel for players when they do answer me. And when they don't it tells me something as well. I don't usually like to pick on newbs, but it is day 2 now and you should be getting the hang of the game. I was evil my very first game, so I will not let pple play the newb card all game long without saying anything

Sorry Plant, I realize what you're saying. At this point my quietness in town has been due to a last minute work project I had thrust upon me a few days ago. I mentioned this a few times and my being away from AC as much as I have would hopefully support me not being around not just avoiding townspeople or wishing to not participate. I'll have the project wrapped up today and be able to participate as I had originally intended.

So again, no newbie card is being played.

[Grins]

JP...i see the point your making there mate, i realise i did go a little bit hard on Grins..Appologies out to Grins..

Thank you for the apology. I have to admit I'm not sure how sincere it is though, it just seems so sudden. If you are innocent you'll understand why I'm scared enough to keep my vote the same right now and will watch closely to see if it needs to change.

On another note, I'm worried about Clown. I voted for him the first night so I obviously suspected he was not completely pure. But now he has been so quiet I don't know what to think. I've been unbelievably busy the past few days but I've made time to at least check in and catch up once a day. Why not Clown? Is this part of his strategy to rile the town up the first day and then lay low? Or is there an aspect to the game I'm not familiar with? Could the grinch and his evil elves done something to him that we won't find out about until tonight?

[Grins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grins http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180876#post1180876)
I think it would be irresponsible of me to bash doors at this point. It seems to bash down doors all willy nilly is a bit irresponsible of anyone really. Unless you have a pretty clear case of someone being evil you risk taking the focus off real scum and instead having others begin to target innocents. For proof of that just look at how LadyG was singled out and how quickly the town turned on her. Meanwhile the real scum were left to carry out their misdeeds and we lost one of our own. I'll "woman up" and ask questions and vote to protect the town but I am not going to fly off at the handle and play right into the hands of those that wish to do us harm.

Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie_stubbs http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180884#post1180884)
IMO its irresponsible not to kick in doors. This post for example, has raised an alarm bell, so I think its time to kick in your door. You seem to be doing a good job of blending in. You have no suspects at this point??? What are you hiding???

Blueiz, here is Grins post, and then my response. Where is it that i "twisted" her words?? Note the question mark after the bolded part of my post.


Well for one it was made to sound as if I had no suspects when I had listed a few that were acting oddly to me. On the first day I had listed or agreed with others about suspicions about Clown and Niko.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Grins http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180899#post1180899)
If you read my vote last night you saw my list of reasons for voting for Clown. I still find him suspect. I also have mentioned that Niko's posting has been suspect. Why that equates to having no supsects is beyond me. But keep this in mind...I did not vote to lynch the innocent LadyG. As for clown whom I did vote for we don't yet know if he is innocent or not but I am suspecting not.

And now you, why the sudden false information about me not listing suspects? Are you trying to deflect from something? Hoping that perhaps another rash of mob mentality will lynch another innocent?

I find it odd that in the first part of the post you say CL is still suspect, then later you say he's not. Which one is it???
It's also suspicious that you want to point out that you didn't vote for LG whenever you get the chance. May I point out that since you probably knew she was innocent, I can see why you didn't want to vote for her. Well played.


Huh? I didn't say he wasn't suspect any longer. Innocent or not...the not refers to not innocent which means supsect and I clearly said I was suspecting he fell into the not innocent category. And I only pointed out not voting for LG in context of why I don't believe in creating a mob to find the grinch and his evil elves. LadyG's being lynced versus one of the guilty ones was a tragedy to this town was it not?


That, or like Grins, you knew that train was going to crash, so you were careful not to leave any prints at the crime scene. Not content with that, you must remind us you have left no prints at the crime scene. OK I get it. You must be innocent too. Everyone is innocent. Maybe you and Grins are right, the scumbags all left town. We must have bored them all to death.

Oh good grief, I never said any such thing so why you'd even suggest I think it or am supporting that line of thought is a mystery. Meanwhile while we're having this pointless of exchange of innocents having to explain things that they never said there are multiple elves and a grinch probably laughing at us all. I don't happen to think you're guilty at this point, I just think you're falling into their plan and becoming a pawn in their own little game.

[Grins]

Actually i misread that. Thanks Pap. My apologies Grins, I acknowledge I misread part of your post.

Thank you Charlie. :) I appreciate that and I really do understand how important it is to find out the truth of the matter, no hard feelings.

[Grins]

I already have a scumbag in my crosshairs (HN), but theres no harm in looking for more now is there???

Thank you for posting that. In the recent posting I had forgotten about HN's earlier remarks about Keebler and such.

[Rbishop]

to lynch...

niko (2) by ice 506 grins 564

coler (2) by hook 514 jl66 539

hook (1) by cs 553


5 of 14 have voted....

Nightfall in about 13 hours....

[Grins]

okay I am here breifly I have copany over in RL so I am so sorry I caused do much conspiracy last night. I only voted for myself because I was sure of my postion, and I didn't want to throw out random votes if I wasn't sure but with the rate innocents were lost it probably would not have mattered.

I still don't understand why you voted for yourself either. At the very least it wasnt' helpful towards getting someone evil if you are innocent. At the very worst it may have been an attempt to make us feel confused and lost and take suspicion off of you when in essence it did the opposite. It causes me concern about you.

[Grins]

Clown-lover has had some real life issues develop and has sent me an e-mail stating he will not be able to pay appropriate attention to the rest of this game, and has decided to drop out.

A total of 14 Townies remain as players from the original 21.

9 of them are Innocents.

5 are Evils.

All power roles are intact. There has not been any switching from evil to good/good to evil.

I hope all is well with him but this is really disturbing. The ratio of evil people in our town is frightening. Yes it is stating the obvious, but sincerely it is a bit overwhelming.

[Grins]

Blueiz I know but I wasn't going to back on until late today and I thought that it really would make sense, i was soooo wrong. I know my postion but it was better to vote for me than say someone that I had no proof on.

How though Beth? Does this mean you have proof you are evil? A letter from Bala perhaps?

[Grins]

Hope all is well with CL....based on the counts, it appears that CL was an evil.

I'm not surprised that he would be, his behavor the first day was just bizarre to me. Now to find his cohorts.

[Grins]

is it too late to read everything to understand what's going on or am i already dead?


You're already dead, and thankfully I might add since you were evil.

[Grins]

Coler is acting way off this game. I thought he might just be trying to throw a different game play out as I have also tried to do it but I always end up reverting back. He hasn't reverted back.

This is where I wished I had been in town sooner than game 18. It would be helpful to know how others typically act. I appreciate it when it pointed out so that we can all take it into account and weigh it with how we see townspeople acting now.

[Grins]

speaking of charlie... no DD in roleplaying this game?


DD, could you explain this please? I don't understand it and would rather ask than guess wrongly.

[Grins]

OK, all caught up. As I mentioned in one of my recent replies, the work project I've been busy with the past few days should be wrapped up today.

At this point my suspects are

Niko
I know he has given false information about me, and when I combine that with what seemed to be a desire to spin up Charlie and others I find him looking guilty. I'm going to keep my vote on Niko for now.

HookedNewbie
The early posts on day one throwing out elf hints with things like "my *** belongs to Keebler" just don't sit right with me. I don't feel as strongly about him as I do Niko but have my eyes on him at the moment.

Beth
Her voting for herself was odd to me, but it is her explanations for why she did it that leaves a distaste in my mouth. They make even less sense to me and cause me to think she is dancing around the truth. I have a strong suspicion she is an evil elf and will continue to watch her as well.

Coler
He has me confused to say the least. I do still think Clown was evil, maybe because I didn't get a strong feeling about JIM one way or the other. So how do I take Coler and Clown's postings on Day 1? If Clown was evil does this mean Coler was innocent? Or since they've both been pointed out as clever townspeople, was Day 1 an attempt to make us look elsewhere simply because the two of them were so hyperfocused on one another that we'd not concern ourselves with them and instead focus on innocents like Andi, LadyG, etc.? I'm confused on Coler but enough doubt that I'm keeping his a suspect for now.

[Madcrawdad]

I'm nor trying to do any such thing. I said we lost 3 innocent townspeople. Why are you twisting what I said?

I'm not twisting anything. It seems that you are implying that we lost 3 innocents due to folks kicking in doors. Two of them were completely beyond anyone's control, so it seems odd that you'd group them in w/ LG's lynching when making your argument against door-kicking...


Again, I've not said I'm unwilling to put people's feet to the fire. However, to go around doing it all willy nilly because someone twists another's words or brings up something meaningless does not help our town when we are on a tight deadline. In fact it hurts it. Instead of focusing on the grinch and his evil elves it has us looking at innocents..like LadyG. I don't want that to happen again and I can't see how to be any more clear about that.

I think if you play a few more games, you might see that everything that seems 'willy nilly' really isn't (alot of it is, though). Playing scum and trying to blend in with the town is hard, so after awhile it's some of these more 'trivial' matters that end up identifying the scumbags. Think about it... telling the truth is easy, nothing to keep track of when you do it. Start telling stories and you've got to keep everything straight. Tiny inconsistencies can be very telling at times.


Oh jeez, how do I reply to such a thing? I never said I was lynched. And in essence I do believe that innocents had a role in lynching the good LadyG. We allowed it by focusing on trivial matters that the evil ones wanted us to in order to take the focus off of them.

Never said that you said that you were lynched...I think you misread that part. Once again, what might seem trivial isn't always trivial. But, I think you'll see as the game progresses, that people become less and less likely to focus solely on what seems trivial.

On Day 1, there is rarely much else to go on than the trivial stuff (Anyone remember Swayde being lynched as an innocent on Day 1, just for saying she'd be busy that particular weekend? :grinyes:). As the game moves on, voting patterns, possible alliances, etc. are established. So while the trivial items may not stand alone, they sometimes do help put the pieces together.

Oh scum played a huge part in her lynching. But so did we. We played right into their hands I'm afraid. Are we going to do it again?

Are we going to do it again? Probably. Without knowing what everyone's role assignment PM said, it's pretty much unavoidable.




responses in blue

[Madcrawdad]

Somebody that I'm taking a harder look at today is Niko...

Anybody remember Coler trying to lynch me on Day 1 based on the Blitzen discussion? He ultimately abandoned the plan because he didn't get much support. Niko seemed to be a supporter, though.

While Coler tried to lynch me for saying anything about Blitzen (although he did use that Blitzen discussion to go after Clown:confused:), Niko hopped on and accused me of wanting to kill Blitzen. This was absolutely the opposite of everything I had said about Blitzen.

As he had two votes on him at the time, it seemed like a really opportunistic attempt to deflect attention off of him and get a bandwagon behind Coler on me. The fact that he accused me of completely the opposite of what my posts had said, says to me that he really didn't pay much attention to my posts in the first place, and it looked like a blatant attempt to focus attention on me.

I've noted the fact that his tone seems to have recently become more concilaitory in his running feud with DD/Blue. He really seems to be trying hard now to extricate himself from that whole thing. Seems like he's getting a little nervous about something.

Not saying that I'm voting him today, but he'd probably be my leading candidate at this point.

[Madcrawdad]

Madcrawdad walks alone down Main Street. "Where it everyone?" he wonders. All businesses appear closed and nobody is around... Looks like somebody spraypainted the word "Croatoan" on Mee-mee's now-abandoned bakery. Madcrawdad wonders what that's all about.

[IceH2O]

Where is everyone, I know its early but there was no talk last night either.

Still a lot of non votes out there. Lets not UD more innocents. Evils feel free to not show up.

I feel the evidence against Niko is pretty strong and my vote stands but I think others need to be looked at for future night fall consideration.

We need input from you guys. A few people can't carry the town it has to be a team effort.

[IceH2O]

Grins, it would help us more to know who the posts are quoted from instead of having to look back.

Also it would help a bit more if you'd catch up and then post. Posting as you go along causes some confusion and lends evidence to the evils. They will take a post and use it against you and if no one goes back and pulls the catch up post or you don't it could be trouble.
Though it could also be a good trap to catch a skimmer.

[charlie_stubbs]

My thoughts on Niko:
During my exchange with Grins, I got the feeling Niko was trying to "buddy" up with me, agreeing with me to both gain my trust and to get someone besides him in the limelight.

I am satisfied with Grins' responses to my posts. No hard feelings Grins, but it did help build a case against Niko. His eagerness to get you hanged is quite telling.

I will ask that all innocents take a closer look at HN.

[charlie_stubbs]

my suspect list:
HN- yep, he's scummy. review my post #531 for details.
Niko- pretty shady overall, a fine suspect indeed. No need to regurgitate everyone elses cases here

[charlie_stubbs]

my suspect list:
HN- yep, he's scummy. review my post #531 for details.
Niko- pretty shady overall, a fine suspect indeed. No need to regurgitate everyone elses cases here
edit to above: review my post #550, #531 is a post by Ice

[charlie_stubbs]

Originally Posted by jpappy789 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/../style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1181063#post1181063)
Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.




Sorry I have not posted as much as i should Or what people i think I should..
But this here has me confused...Now first mad brought up about what grins had to say about her not kicking in doors and then youfollow then all the sudden jpap brings up the fact that she is a newb and she needs time to get the hang of things then all the sudden you agree then apologize Makes me think that you 2 are really 2 evils comunicating triing not to look like you are and grins is communicating as well?

Huh???? This post, while most confusing, actually moved you one notch towards innocent.

[Hooked Newbie]

Ok, I'm back. Hungover big time, but caught up. My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger with everything collated. Grins is making me wonder, not because she named me but because she seems to be "favoring" Charlie. She quoted both apologies, but did not question Charlie's sincerity in the least while she did call doubt to Niko's. She also conveniently quoted a fairly old post of Charlie's (about me) which was actually out of order from the other posts she quoted. Surprise! Charlie followed suit and named me again. Say hi to Grins for me in your chat room Charlie. By all means people, look at me. Question me. Whatever. Also look at those pushing cases and those following them. Like someone said (Ice, I think) it's alot easier to tell the truth and that's what I've done so I'm not worried about it. I think Charlie has something to hide.

Call it whatever you want Charlie...

I retract my vote to lynch Coler and vote to lynch Charlie.

[charlie_stubbs]

Ok, I'm back. Hungover big time, but caught up. My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger with everything collated. Grins is making me wonder, not because she named me but because she seems to be "favoring" Charlie. She quoted both apologies, but did not question Charlie's sincerity in the least while she did call doubt to Niko's. She also conveniently quoted a fairly old post of Charlie's (about me) which was actually out of order from the other posts she quoted. Surprise! Charlie followed suit and named me again. Say hi to Grins for me in your chat room Charlie. By all means people, look at me. Question me. Whatever. Also look at those pushing cases and those following them. Like someone said (Ice, I think) it's alot easier to tell the truth and that's what I've done so I'm not worried about it. I think Charlie has something to hide.

Call it whatever you want Charlie...

I retract my vote to lynch Coler and vote to lynch Charlie.

No surprise really, as I think you and you buddies know I'm hot on your trail.
While Coler seemed suspicious to me, your insistence he's guilty now has me moving him back towards innocence. Sorry you guys lost CL, what a shame, he's good at being bad. This was sarcasm. I'm glad you're down a good player, and If they lose you as well they will be a hurtin.

[charlie_stubbs]

of course, I'm assuming CL was evil

[Hooked Newbie]

No surprise really, as I think you and you buddies know I'm hot on your trail.
While Coler seemed suspicious to me, your insistence he's guilty now has me moving him back towards innocence. Sorry you guys lost CL, what a shame, he's good at being bad. This was sarcasm. I'm glad you're down a good player, and If they lose you as well they will be a hurtin.

You sooo funny. My "insistence he's guilty"? I do believe he is, but did you miss that I retracted my vote for him and placed it onto you? I'm more sure of your guilt. Unless CL was a townie, I won't miss him a bit, but do find these weak attempts to insinuate your own version of things quite comical.

[charlie_stubbs]

HN-
You have now linked me to the following players:
JM
LG
Andi
Niko
Grins

Is there anyone I'm not linked to, aside from yourself that is.

[Hooked Newbie]

of course, I'm assuming CL was evil

Of course, you know for sure one way or another so it's not really an "assumption".

[Hooked Newbie]

HN-
You have now linked me to the following players:
JM
LG
Andi
Niko
Grins

Is there anyone I'm not linked to, aside from yourself that is.

I've linked you to them? Really? I did mention timing of some of their posts in relation to your's. Why so touchy? Are you upset because you told Grins to go back and post that and thought no one would notice that it didn't fit the pattern of her quoting as she read up? Did you at least give her the post number or did you make her find it on her own?

[charlie_stubbs]

Ok, I'm back. Hungover big time, but caught up. My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger with everything collated. Grins is making me wonder, not because she named me but because she seems to be "favoring" Charlie. She quoted both apologies, but did not question Charlie's sincerity in the least while she did call doubt to Niko's. She also conveniently quoted a fairly old post of Charlie's (about me) which was actually out of order from the other posts she quoted. Surprise! Charlie followed suit and named me again. Say hi to Grins for me in your chat room Charlie. By all means people, look at me. Question me. Whatever. Also look at those pushing cases and those following them. Like someone said (Ice, I think) it's alot easier to tell the truth and that's what I've done so I'm not worried about it. I think Charlie has something to hide.

Call it whatever you want Charlie...

I retract my vote to lynch Coler and vote to lynch Charlie.

I thought the case against Niko was stronger than the Charlie/Coler cases.

I think you stated this so that when Niko becomes a lost cause, you can say you were onto him all along, but you're hoping it doesn't come to that quite yet

[charlie_stubbs]

I've linked you to them? Really? I did mention timing of some of their posts in relation to your's. Why so touchy? Are you upset because you told Grins to go back and post that and thought no one would notice that it didn't fit the pattern of her quoting as she read up? Did you at least give her the post number or did you make her find it on her own?
Is Grins now one of your suspects???

[charlie_stubbs]

Odd, but my recent exchange with Grins has her leaning innocent on my list

[charlie_stubbs]

I've linked you to them? Really? I did mention timing of some of their posts in relation to your's. Why so touchy? Are you upset because you told Grins to go back and post that and thought no one would notice that it didn't fit the pattern of her quoting as she read up? Did you at least give her the post number or did you make her find it on her own?
I'm not touchy. You said we were free to question you, and so I am. Do you have a list??? Is your list Charlie, Coler and Grins???

[Hooked Newbie]

I thought the case against Niko was stronger than the Charlie/Coler cases.

Oh boy... since you are proving to dig deep and nitpick the smallest minutae this game, I guess...

My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger with everything collated.

Should have said...

My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger THAN BEFORE with everything collated.

I wonder how many people would have read that the way you did, 6 maybe?

I think you stated this so that when Niko becomes a lost cause, you can say you were onto him all along, but you're hoping it doesn't come to that quite yet

If Niko is evil, good riddance AND no I haven't been "onto him all along". In fact until the cases were put together by DD & Ice, I really didn't see much which is why I made the first statement.

[Hooked Newbie]

Odd, but my recent exchange with Grins has her leaning innocent on my list

If you're proven evil, absolutely. Not sure now, but I'm not giving her a free pass. She's said a few things that have been odd and her lob to you look's incriminating.


I'm not touchy. You said we were free to question you, and so I am. Do you have a list??? Is your list Charlie, Coler and Grins???

Charlie, Coler, strongest.
Niko, Grins, not sold yet but evilish.

[bethkira2000]

#648 What, why am I suspect, what did I do? And I am not so sure that Niko is evil, not sure he is innocent, but his actions show a little on the innocent side. So IceH2O I want explainations

[charlie_stubbs]

#648 What, why am I suspect, what did I do? And I am not so sure that Niko is evil, not sure he is innocent, but his actions show a little on the innocent side. So IceH2O I want explainations
Beth is interrogating Ice hehehehehehe this should be a hoot:popcorn:

[charlie_stubbs]

#648 What, why am I suspect, what did I do? And I am not so sure that Niko is evil, not sure he is innocent, but his actions show a little on the innocent side. So IceH2O I want explainations
Which of Niko's posts look innocent to you???

[plantling]

(game off)
Thank you DD I am doing better now thanks, I hop e to be bk to myself this afternoon.
(game on)
HOwever being in a nice painkiller stupor gives me plenty of time to sit and read through all the posts again and even read between the lines.
There are several choicces for my vote but I want to wait till later to make it definite.
My thoughts are on these people:
Coler
atnixon
maybe hn not sure yet
and Madcrawdad
Here it's 8:52 AM. Beth has a list


and another thing everyone is so quick to jump on atnixon being evil, but what if he was evil would he act that way? what if he really is playing it that he is innocent but he is keeping the focus off someone else. Or it could be that he is really evil and he is protecting someone.
Coler and CL this could be a plan, they could very well be on the same team, creating cover for the move. Another member of there team could be one of these silent lurkers and getting ready to strike. Or they could just be having fun, you be the judge.
Here Beth suspects the Coler/CL argument could have been a plan.


I don't know who to vote for I don't have enough info, so wheather this looks scummy or not I am not going to vote for someone that I am not sure of, so I am voting for
I vote to lynch bethkira2000
Here it's 4:19 PM and Beth votes herself. All of a sudden she's not sure of anyone but herself.


okay I am here breifly I have copany over in RL so I am so sorry I caused do much conspiracy last night. I only voted for myself because I was sure of my postion, and I didn't want to throw out random votes if I wasn't sure but with the rate innocents were lost it probably would not have mattered.


Oh and my first choces for tonight are ( in no particular order)
Coler
Madcrawdad
and Plantling


LG I know you are watching and I am very sorry not to have explained myself to you at least.


Beth, in your first post here you mention that you were unsure who to vote for last night...so unsure that you voted for yourself, right?

Since last night you voted for yourself (and not me), apparently I didn't seem scummy enough to warrant your vote at the time. Would you mind telling me what I've done today that might have put me back onto your radar?


well not sure call it intuition, but i have read all the posts and out of the three you would be last choice. And I am not 100 to be honest I am leaning toward Coler or plantling. And Last night I had thougt of you but wasn't sure, just like tonight.


your right MAdcrawdad I apologize so many innocents were lost last night I think people are jumpy. You have been written off the list for now. but my choice of Coler and plantling still stand.

[plantling]

Ok, I didn't mean to hit the reply button yet. My point is that Beth's posts are illogical. She votes herself citing she is only sure of herself, but if she is innocent, then isn't it better to vote someone she's a little bit suspicious of than herself.

Then she lists Coler, Mad, and I as suspects. When Mad questions her on it she backs off real quick and eventually takes him off her list.

[charlie_stubbs]

Here it's 8:52 AM. Beth has a list


Here Beth suspects the Coler/CL argument could have been a plan.


Here it's 4:19 PM and Beth votes herself. All of a sudden she's not sure of anyone but herself.
Well, if Beth is evil she isn't being well coached. However, it's possible she is disconnected from the group.

[IceH2O]

#648 What, why am I suspect, what did I do? And I am not so sure that Niko is evil, not sure he is innocent, but his actions show a little on the innocent side. So IceH2O I want explainations

You haven't done anything and thats the point.

You voted for yourself. After making a list of suspects. I understand not feeling strongly on anyone the 1st night but none of us can say we do. You have to take chances and voting yourself is just as safe a vote as voting for someone not in the running to be lynched. You also could have broken the tie. Whats you're thoughts on Clowns status of evil or not?

You haven't drawn out any evils or even built cases, you're just floating along making posts that make no sense really.

You weren't that high on my list just someone to watch but..

How can you say you don't see anything on Niko? I think the evidence is pretty damning. Are you trying to protect Niko?

You've actually made yourself more a suspect in my eyes and I thank you for your response.

After rereading the posts DD also has my attention. The post in which she quotes Mad but goes on a tangent against HN was very strange.

So if anyones keeping notes my suspects are in no order

Niko
Charlie
Coler
Beth
DD

[charlie_stubbs]

I see you creeping down there Larson. What say you, potato man???

[Blueiz]

Beth, you are really all over the place. How about reading the posts and going from there. I dont think this is newbieness. In some posts yuo come off like you know what youre doing, with confidence, in other posts you seemingly dont know what to say or do.. Can you post some thoughts that actually make sense?

[bethkira2000]

oe of the reasons fo rmy thoughts on Niko is that he was one of the few who thought that my choice to vote for myself was not evil, but because I really didn't want to throw out some random vote. And he defended me, if he was evil he really would eith have jumped on the train with everyone else to keep focus on me, not him. Or he was innocent and was told that I was innocent.
I realize that I have probably walked into great debate.
And Grins what makes you think I am suspicous?

[plantling]

Blueiz I know but I wasn't going to back on until late today and I thought that it really would make sense, i was soooo wrong. I know my postion but it was better to vote for me than say someone that I had no proof on.
Here Beth says she thinks it's better she votes herself rather than someone she has no proof on. Well, is there really ever any proof in these games?


do we vote tonight or tomorrow I missed it somewhere


thank you I know but I have company in RL and didn't want to miss it, I read alot too.
If she's read a lot, then why did she miss when nightfall is?

Due to Beth's illogical posts, I think it's because she has something to hide, perhaps evil pointy ears?

I vote to lynch Beth.

[IceH2O]

oe of the reasons fo rmy thoughts on Niko is that he was one of the few who thought that my choice to vote for myself was not evil, but because I really didn't want to throw out some random vote. And he defended me, if he was evil he really would eith have jumped on the train with everyone else to keep focus on me, not him. Or he was innocent and was told that I was innocent.
I realize that I have probably walked into great debate.
And Grins what makes you think I am suspicous?

Of course he didn't point it out. He also placed a safe vote. To point it out would have made him a hypocrite.

I think you and Niko are teammates and thats why the protection.

You use one instance to claim his innocence when there are many more posts leading to his evilness.

[charlie_stubbs]

so to reiterate my suspects are:
HN- because he doesn't like poutine
Niko- because I don't think he likes it either

[bethkira2000]

kay Blueiz I try to do my best, sometimes I do think I have a clue, then people post things or make points that I haven't seen before which then makes me question. And why are you on my case?
IceH20 you were another person that had my back the night I voted for myself thanks.
My thoughts o Clown were he seemed evil with his indefference, but he didn't really state anything to make you think wow he is evil. then in the same case he didn't do anything to make him seem innocent.
And this goes to plantling I have not taken Madcrawdad off my list he just isn't in my top three choices and I am watching him carefully. I still think he might be evil.
Charlie has it right I am disconnected, but I am trying

[charlie_stubbs]

Charlie begins his letter to Santa

"Dear Santa,
The following is a list of the things I want for Christmas:
Dangerdoll
Yours Truly,
Charlie Stubbs"

[plantling]

kay Blueiz I try to do my best, sometimes I do think I have a clue, then people post things or make points that I haven't seen before which then makes me question. And why are you on my case?
IceH20 you were another person that had my back the night I voted for myself thanks.
My thoughts o Clown were he seemed evil with his indefference, but he didn't really state anything to make you think wow he is evil. then in the same case he didn't do anything to make him seem innocent.
And this goes to plantling I have not taken Madcrawdad off my list he just isn't in my top three choices and I am watching him carefully. I still think he might be evil.
Charlie has it right I am disconnected, but I am trying
Are you admitting to being a disconnected evil elf?

[Blueiz]

kay Blueiz I try to do my best, sometimes I do think I have a clue, then people post things or make points that I haven't seen before which then makes me question. And why are you on my case?
IceH20 you were another person that had my back the night I voted for myself thanks.
My thoughts o Clown were he seemed evil with his indefference, but he didn't really state anything to make you think wow he is evil. then in the same case he didn't do anything to make him seem innocent.
And this goes to plantling I have not taken Madcrawdad off my list he just isn't in my top three choices and I am watching him carefully. I still think he might be evil.
Charlie has it right I am disconnected, but I am trying


And why are you on my case?

Helllooooo...asking questions and getting answers is how this works:wall:. Youre defensiveness over ppl questioning you just put you up another notch on my radar.

[charlie_stubbs]

kay Blueiz I try to do my best, sometimes I do think I have a clue, then people post things or make points that I haven't seen before which then makes me question. And why are you on my case?
IceH20 you were another person that had my back the night I voted for myself thanks.
My thoughts o Clown were he seemed evil with his indefference, but he didn't really state anything to make you think wow he is evil. then in the same case he didn't do anything to make him seem innocent.
And this goes to plantling I have not taken Madcrawdad off my list he just isn't in my top three choices and I am watching him carefully. I still think he might be evil.
Charlie has it right I am disconnected, but I am trying
What I meant was, you might be an evil that isn't in contact with the group.

[bethkira2000]

Kay I never said he was innocent I said to me it seemed more like innocent. He could truley be evil, but I can't say for sure.
And plantling give me a break it is my first game and I am trying to figure it out.
I do read alot I just couldn't remember, but just these few things make you vote for me.
all I can say to that is weak, there are others out there who make a better case for being evil than me. Like Coler very defensive from the beginning, Yet makes no play to make his case known. alot of people think all of Nikos posts are damning but you chose me. why, trying to keep the focus off yourself, not wanting people to see the real you?
And Ice you and Niko were the only two who said the same thing, is it because you are both on the same team and evil, or innocent.???????

[Blueiz]

Are you admitting to being a disconnected evil elf?


Good catch there plant.

[charlie_stubbs]

I miss ZS, his lists were awesome. Does anyone have a vote count???

[bethkira2000]

I am not defensive just asking, I like people to explain why they suspect me. at least Blueiz has better reasons then plantling, I am beginning to suspect Plantling more. Ayou gor more on my case when you saw that you were in my top three, did I hit a nerve, did I make you nervous that you are infact evil and I was on to you.
And charlie everytime I think you might be decent you throw me for a loop.

[plantling]

I am not defensive just asking, I like people to explain why they suspect me. at least Blueiz has better reasons then plantling, I am beginning to suspect Plantling more. Ayou gor more on my case when you saw that you were in my top three, did I hit a nerve, did I make you nervous that you are infact evil and I was on to you.
And charlie everytime I think you might be decent you throw me for a loop.
No Beth, I'm not concerned because I'm on your list. I'm concerned that you may very well be the last non-communicating elf. There's hope if you are as there's still a possibility of the 4 good elves using one of their presents on you.

[IceH2O]

Kay I never said he was innocent I said to me it seemed more like innocent. He could truley be evil, but I can't say for sure.
And plantling give me a break it is my first game and I am trying to figure it out.
I do read alot I just couldn't remember, but just these few things make you vote for me.
all I can say to that is weak, there are others out there who make a better case for being evil than me. Like Coler very defensive from the beginning, Yet makes no play to make his case known. alot of people think all of Nikos posts are damning but you chose me. why, trying to keep the focus off yourself, not wanting people to see the real you?
And Ice you and Niko were the only two who said the same thing, is it because you are both on the same team and evil, or innocent.???????

LOL I didn't protect you for voting yourself.

I only said that LG read the post wrong and tried to use it as an excuse to start a train on you. I let it slide because you're new to the game but the more you post the more I think Niko told you to just put the vote in a safe place as he did and the only safe place you knew was yourself.

[IceH2O]

Want to add why is it you throw Colers name out there?

Is it because they told you to for distancing tactics? Because they know Coler is a good player and can deflect suspicion?

Do I have most of the team correct with the Niko,Charlie and Coler aspect to you?

[bethkira2000]

I could have voted for you Ice that was safe no one else did, but I didn;t think it was fair. And yes I voted safe the first night, because I was sure of my postion.I would have thought that LG would have taught you all a lesson.
And as far as Coler I have not trusted him from the start, And I have always thought he was evil, I could really care less how much of a good palyer he is or not.I haven't been on since yesterday afternoon so I really don't know why he isn't on.
But if you all want to vote for me, please be my guest, all I will say is Look at the mistake you made.
My top choices are
Coler
Plantling
IceH2O
I think you and Plantling are on the same team, and that I have walken into an evil meeting ground.

[plantling]

I could have voted for you Ice that was safe no one else did, but I didn;t think it was fair. And yes I voted safe the first night, because I was sure of my postion.I would have thought that LG would have taught you all a lesson.
And as far as Coler I have not trusted him from the start, And I have always thought he was evil, I could really care less how much of a good palyer he is or not.I haven't been on since yesterday afternoon so I really don't know why he isn't on.
But if you all want to vote for me, please be my guest, all I will say is Look at the mistake you made.
My top choices are
Coler
Plantling
IceH2O
I think you and Plantling are on the same team, and that I have walken into an evil meeting ground.
LOL, Beth. If I were evil, would I suggest to the good elves to turn you w/one of their presents if I felt you were evil. Why haven't you answered me about whether or not you're the last non-communicating elf. Is it because you can communicate w/them?

[IceH2O]

I could have voted for you Ice that was safe no one else did, but I didn;t think it was fair. And yes I voted safe the first night, because I was sure of my postion.I would have thought that LG would have taught you all a lesson.
And as far as Coler I have not trusted him from the start, And I have always thought he was evil, I could really care less how much of a good palyer he is or not.I haven't been on since yesterday afternoon so I really don't know why he isn't on.
But if you all want to vote for me, please be my guest, all I will say is Look at the mistake you made.
My top choices are
Coler
Plantling
IceH2O
I think you and Plantling are on the same team, and that I have walken into an evil meeting ground.


But yet your vote wasn't placed there, interesting.

I don't care that I'm on your list lol. Of course someone evil would place someone that thinks they're evil on their list. its an OMGUS list.

[bethkira2000]

I don't think I will be on tonight so I have thought and my choice is Coler whom I have suspected all along, and Plantling who has not explained why me as apposed to three other people who have more than I to make themselves Evil. Therefore here is my vote:
I vote to lynch Coler
I only hope I am still alive after tonight.

[IceH2O]

Wait...lol

Didn't you agree with Coler and vote Mad before you retracted and voted for yourself?

So you thought Coler was evil and followed him onto Mad?

Thanks Beth

[bethkira2000]

what is OMGUS ? what does that mean.
And Plantling I am not the last elf, But how do I know that you are not evil and want me to tell you I'm innocent so you can kill me, or vice versa?

[IceH2O]

OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck

[bethkira2000]

That whole Coler MAdcrawdad was a stupid newbie mistake wow, no room for screw ups in this game is there.
I was not following but thought it was eaiser than it has turned out to be.

[bethkira2000]

Wow decent of you Ice. I don't think you suck, but I do think you acting evil.

[IceH2O]

what is OMGUS ? what does that mean.
And Plantling I am not the last elf, But how do I know that you are not evil and want me to tell you I'm innocent so you can kill me, or vice versa?

If Plant was evil she'd have a good idea that you're not evil and therefore an innocent anyway. Unless you're the lone evil then she is taking a chance.

[Grins]

I think if you play a few more games, you might see that everything that seems 'willy nilly' really isn't (alot of it is, though). Playing scum and trying to blend in with the town is hard, so after awhile it's some of these more 'trivial' matters that end up identifying the scumbags. Think about it... telling the truth is easy, nothing to keep track of when you do it. Start telling stories and you've got to keep everything straight. Tiny inconsistencies can be very telling at times.

That makes sense, there is definitely much to the game that isn't expected at first to a new player. Appreciate you helping a new townie out.



Never said that you said that you were lynched...I think you misread that part. Once again, what might seem trivial isn't always trivial. But, I think you'll see as the game progresses, that people become less and less likely to focus solely on what seems trivial. On Day 1, there is rarely much else to go on than the trivial stuff (Anyone remember Swayde being lynched as an innocent on Day 1, just for saying she'd be busy that particular weekend? :grinyes:). As the game moves on, voting patterns, possible alliances, etc. are established. So while the trivial items may not stand alone, they sometimes do help put the pieces together.

Again, thanks. This is the kind of stuff that isn't evident when you start to play. I even thought Clown and Coler might actually have a personal problem between them at first.



Are we going to do it again? Probably. Without knowing what everyone's role assignment PM said, it's pretty much unavoidable.

Yes, I'm seeing that. Bala's post with the numbers of innocents to evils in our town really hit home for me.

[IceH2O]

I have to run errands but I'll be back later.

It was fun helping you out yourself and your teammates Beth. Maybe we can do it again later.

[bethkira2000]

it doesn't seem like she is taking the chance, it seems that it is a statement.

[Grins]

I've noted the fact that his tone seems to have recently become more concilaitory in his running feud with DD/Blue. He really seems to be trying hard now to extricate himself from that whole thing. Seems like he's getting a little nervous about something.Not saying that I'm voting him today, but he'd probably be my leading candidate at this point.

I've noted the same thing and it is a factor in why I've not yet changed my vote for tonight.

[Grins]

Grins, it would help us more to know who the posts are quoted from instead of having to look back.

Also it would help a bit more if you'd catch up and then post. Posting as you go along causes some confusion and lends evidence to the evils. They will take a post and use it against you and if no one goes back and pulls the catch up post or you don't it could be trouble.
Though it could also be a good trap to catch a skimmer.

I'll try to do that. I've changed what I was going to do at work today for tomorrow...have a nasty headache. Good side of that is I'll not fall so far behind before nightfall.

[plantling]

what is OMGUS ? what does that mean.
And Plantling I am not the last elf, But how do I know that you are not evil and want me to tell you I'm innocent so you can kill me, or vice versa?
I hate to bust your bubble, Beth, but if I were evil, you would not be my pick for a hit.

And you are my top pick because of your illogical thoughts. I felt that you may be the last of the non-communicating elves, evil yet no one to talk to so you don't know if you should be voting for good or for evil. Logically an innocent would not vote themselves knowing they are innocent if they had suspicions on anyone, even small suspicions.

Coler is playing differently, but I'm not sold on him being evil because he was knocking doors in. I think CL was evil and IMO, Coler wouldn't have voted him unless they were not communicating.

The Niko/DD arguments I haven't really decided on who would be evil if any. They could be both innocent and I felt the first day back and forth was just misunderstanding, nothing big that escalated and it did seem both DD and Blue were after Niko for awhile, but then Niko has come up w/some strange posts lately. However he and I butted heads last game and we were both innocent and he's acting just like he did then. So I'm not sold on Niko either.

I'm leaning HN innocent atm as his posts seem to be helpful and have logical thought to them.

[Grins]

My thoughts on Niko:
During my exchange with Grins, I got the feeling Niko was trying to "buddy" up with me, agreeing with me to both gain my trust and to get someone besides him in the limelight.I am satisfied with Grins' responses to my posts. No hard feelings Grins, but it did help build a case against Niko. His eagerness to get you hanged is quite telling. I will ask that all innocents take a closer look at HN.

No hard feelings here either, you were only questioning. The sooner that innocents can clear things up the sooner we can focus on the behavior of those that are acting suspect. I obviously agree with you on Niko, and I do find HN suspect but in case I've missed something is there anything that I should be looking at other than the first day innuendos about elves and Keebler?

[Grins]

Charlie I found your posts in #550 about HN



Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180774#post1180774)
You seem to be defending Chas... is there a reason or do you feel he's innocent?

Well, on the other end of the spectrum, you seem to be convinced I'm guilty. Why was I your best "suspect" again???




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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180773#post1180773)
I still suspect Charlie strongly. I am voting Coler to see what he has to say about the hit since he was so certain he'd get killed tonight.

Well HN, getting on the Coler train early are you??? I suspect you're only there to help get it rolling, but you will move your vote back to me once its gained enough steam to get to the finish.
I'm curious, do you have a conspiracy theory in regards to CL, who has shriveled from the light???


I'm a bit confused why HN would have planned to vote Coler if he was so strong feeling about you. Was he more certain of Coler? If so why add to the risk the lives of innocents by not voting for whom he felt stronger about being evil?

[Dangerdoll]

DD, could you explain this please? I don't understand it and would rather ask than guess wrongly.
sure thing, however clever this post is, I still have a hunch you might know exactly what this means. In games past where Charlie and I were in the game, Charlie has done a post or or ten of role playing. He comes up with a story, one balanced on the game in which we are playing. When he does this, he is usually the main character and me, his love. Now, Charlie did mention me being led astray this game but it wasn't in a role play. This is very unlike my Charlie. Nope, not in one bit unless there is something to hide....

Another thing that bothers me is who the elves took last night. This also leads me to believe Charlie is a bit elfy. He would like the same game play. When we were evil, we were 1 hair close to sweeping the town. We started off confusing the town and did rather well until subtle hints were let out. Here, I believe that same tactic is bing used. It wasn't someone very veteran to the game like Ice or Hooked, Coler... it was Andi. A newbie. Wow, I've done this same thing before. Why in the world would they take Andi. She was of no harm to anyone. Why... so that a mass confusion could happen and we could scuttle around aimlessly in this mass confusion. Typically, we would try to check lists and see just why the elves would have taken whoever.... well, I have noticed a post where andi is hot on Coler and CL (post 291). Could the elves have assumed that since Andi was taken out and she being a newbie to the game, that this post wouldn't hold much weight?

This doesn't take the heat off of Niko because I still think he may be guilty but I am feeling it stronger for Charlie right now.



Well, if Beth is evil she isn't being well coached. However, it's possible she is disconnected from the group.

interesting you would say this, Charlie. Nice subtlety for the group. Is it that you are disconnected from the group?

I vote to lycnh Charlie, sorry sugar... something just isn't right... you fooled me once, maybe even twice.... I'm not going for a 3rd.






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[Blueiz]

sure thing, however clever this post is, I still have a hunch you might know exactly what this means. In games past where Charlie and I were in the game, Charlie has done a post or or ten of role playing. He comes up with a story, one balanced on the game in which we are playing. When he does this, he is usually the main character and me, his love. Now, Charlie did mention me being led astray this game but it wasn't in a role play. This is very unlike my Charlie. Nope, not in one bit unless there is something to hide....

Another thing that bothers me is who the elves took last night. This also leads me to believe Charlie is a bit elfy. He would like the same game play. When we were evil, we were 1 hair close to sweeping the town. We started off confusing the town and did rather well until subtle hints were let out. Here, I believe that same tactic is bing used. It wasn't someone very veteran to the game like Ice or Hooked, Coler... it was Andi. A newbie. Wow, I've done this same thing before. Why in the world would they take Andi. She was of no harm to anyone. Why... so that a mass confusion could happen and we could scuttle around aimlessly in this mass confusion. Typically, we would try to check lists and see just why the elves would have taken whoever.... well, I have noticed a post where andi is hot on Coler and CL (post 291). Could the elves have assumed that since Andi was taken out and she being a newbie to the game, that this post wouldn't hold much weight?

This doesn't take the heat off of Niko because I still think he may be guilty but I am feeling it stronger for Charlie right now.




interesting you would say this, Charlie. Nice subtlety for the group. Is it that you are disconnected from the group?

I vote to lycnh Charlie, sorry sugar... something just isn't right... you fooled me once, maybe even twice.... I'm not going for a 3rd.






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OK, red flags going here, this post is off. The font is off and the ad at the bottom is off. Could this be a copy and paste from an email?

[Hooked Newbie]

Charlie I found your posts in #550 about HN

Did you skim by it the first time when you "caught up"? Also look at #543 and prior for the whole context. My post was in response to one from Mad.



I'm a bit confused why HN would have planned to vote Coler if he was so strong feeling about you. Was he more certain of Coler? If so why add to the risk the lives of innocents by not voting for whom he felt stronger about being evil?

You quoted my reason and I did place my vote on Coler originally. I wanted to see how Coler would react and he hasn't been around which is odd in and of itself. I am voting for my strongest suspect. What about my posts have made that unclear to you?

[gupman]

sure thing, however clever this post is, I still have a hunch you might know exactly what this means. In games past where Charlie and I were in the game, Charlie has done a post or or ten of role playing. He comes up with a story, one balanced on the game in which we are playing. When he does this, he is usually the main character and me, his love. Now, Charlie did mention me being led astray this game but it wasn't in a role play. This is very unlike my Charlie. Nope, not in one bit unless there is something to hide....

Another thing that bothers me is who the elves took last night. This also leads me to believe Charlie is a bit elfy. He would like the same game play. When we were evil, we were 1 hair close to sweeping the town. We started off confusing the town and did rather well until subtle hints were let out. Here, I believe that same tactic is bing used. It wasn't someone very veteran to the game like Ice or Hooked, Coler... it was Andi. A newbie. Wow, I've done this same thing before. Why in the world would they take Andi. She was of no harm to anyone. Why... so that a mass confusion could happen and we could scuttle around aimlessly in this mass confusion. Typically, we would try to check lists and see just why the elves would have taken whoever.... well, I have noticed a post where andi is hot on Coler and CL (post 291). Could the elves have assumed that since Andi was taken out and she being a newbie to the game, that this post wouldn't hold much weight?

This doesn't take the heat off of Niko because I still think he may be guilty but I am feeling it stronger for Charlie right now.




interesting you would say this, Charlie. Nice subtlety for the group. Is it that you are disconnected from the group?

I vote to lycnh Charlie, sorry sugar... something just isn't right... you fooled me once, maybe even twice.... I'm not going for a 3rd.






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Actually you are right on thiss 1 i don't see these adds on others whats up with that?

[Hooked Newbie]

OK, red flags going here, this post is off. The font is off and the ad at the bottom is off. Could this be a copy and paste from an email?

Whoa! Good catch Blue. Did DD just pull a mee-mee?!

DD?

[Rbishop]

to lynch...

niko (2) by ice 506 grins 564

coler (2) by jl66 539 beth 726

hook (1) by cs 553

cs (2) by hk 685 DD 741

beth (1) by plnt 708

8 of 14 have voted.....

nightfall in 7 hours....

no votes from.....

coler jpap blue mad gup niko

[gupman]

sure thing, however clever this post is, I still have a hunch you might know exactly what this means. In games past where Charlie and I were in the game, Charlie has done a post or or ten of role playing. He comes up with a story, one balanced on the game in which we are playing. When he does this, he is usually the main character and me, his love. Now, Charlie did mention me being led astray this game but it wasn't in a role play. This is very unlike my Charlie. Nope, not in one bit unless there is something to hide....

Another thing that bothers me is who the elves took last night. This also leads me to believe Charlie is a bit elfy. He would like the same game play. When we were evil, we were 1 hair close to sweeping the town. We started off confusing the town and did rather well until subtle hints were let out. Here, I believe that same tactic is bing used. It wasn't someone very veteran to the game like Ice or Hooked, Coler... it was Andi. A newbie. Wow, I've done this same thing before. Why in the world would they take Andi. She was of no harm to anyone. Why... so that a mass confusion could happen and we could scuttle around aimlessly in this mass confusion. Typically, we would try to check lists and see just why the elves would have taken whoever.... well, I have noticed a post where andi is hot on Coler and CL (post 291). Could the elves have assumed that since Andi was taken out and she being a newbie to the game, that this post wouldn't hold much weight?

This doesn't take the heat off of Niko because I still think he may be guilty but I am feeling it stronger for Charlie right now.




interesting you would say this, Charlie. Nice subtlety for the group. Is it that you are disconnected from the group?

I vote to lycnh Charlie, sorry sugar... something just isn't right... you fooled me once, maybe even twice.... I'm not going for a 3rd.






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Well i was going to vote niko on this 1 because of his aggressiveness from the beginning but now after this I Vote To Lynch DD

[charlie_stubbs]

OK, red flags going here, this post is off. The font is off and the ad at the bottom is off. Could this be a copy and paste from an email?
It certainly looks like it, as my beloved seems to have changed her font, and everything else. Who wrote this for you Double Dee???? Was it HN??? Go back to the chat room and tell him it didn't work. But it did add a third name to my list:
HN
Niko
DD

This is a good list.

[Grins]

And Grins what makes you think I am suspicous?



Beth
Her voting for herself was odd to me, but it is her explanations for why she did it that leaves a distaste in my mouth. They make even less sense to me and cause me to think she is dancing around the truth. I have a strong suspicion she is an evil elf and will continue to watch her as well.


In addition to that Beth, I know how you post when not in the game. Your posts typically are very articulate. The odd disjointed posts you've been making in the game seem like an act to me. As if you're trying to act less intelligent than you are to throw people off.



And yes I voted safe the first night, because I was sure of my postion.

Your position in the voting on who would be likely lynched? If so gee, how could you know that unless told by others you would be?

[Grins]

what is OMGUS ? what does that mean.
And Plantling I am not the last elf, But how do I know that you are not evil and want me to tell you I'm innocent so you can kill me, or vice versa?


Huh? Beth, this is exactly the kind of post I'm talking about. If Plant is evil he'd know you were innocent or the last elf that couldn't talk right? It just seems like an act to me.:confused: