Mafia #18 The Santa Game

[charlie_stubbs]

sure thing, however clever this post is, I still have a hunch you might know exactly what this means. In games past where Charlie and I were in the game, Charlie has done a post or or ten of role playing. He comes up with a story, one balanced on the game in which we are playing. When he does this, he is usually the main character and me, his love. Now, Charlie did mention me being led astray this game but it wasn't in a role play. This is very unlike my Charlie. Nope, not in one bit unless there is something to hide....

Another thing that bothers me is who the elves took last night. This also leads me to believe Charlie is a bit elfy. He would like the same game play. When we were evil, we were 1 hair close to sweeping the town. We started off confusing the town and did rather well until subtle hints were let out. Here, I believe that same tactic is bing used. It wasn't someone very veteran to the game like Ice or Hooked, Coler... it was Andi. A newbie. Wow, I've done this same thing before. Why in the world would they take Andi. She was of no harm to anyone. Why... so that a mass confusion could happen and we could scuttle around aimlessly in this mass confusion. Typically, we would try to check lists and see just why the elves would have taken whoever.... well, I have noticed a post where andi is hot on Coler and CL (post 291). Could the elves have assumed that since Andi was taken out and she being a newbie to the game, that this post wouldn't hold much weight?

This doesn't take the heat off of Niko because I still think he may be guilty but I am feeling it stronger for Charlie right now.




interesting you would say this, Charlie. Nice subtlety for the group. Is it that you are disconnected from the group?

I vote to lycnh Charlie, sorry sugar... something just isn't right... you fooled me once, maybe even twice.... I'm not going for a 3rd.






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:nono:

[Grins]

Ok, I'm back. Hungover big time, but caught up. My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger with everything collated. Grins is making me wonder, not because she named me but because she seems to be "favoring" Charlie. She quoted both apologies, but did not question Charlie's sincerity in the least while she did call doubt to Niko's. She also conveniently quoted a fairly old post of Charlie's (about me) which was actually out of order from the other posts she quoted. Surprise! Charlie followed suit and named me again. Say hi to Grins for me in your chat room Charlie. By all means people, look at me. Question me. Whatever. Also look at those pushing cases and those following them. Like someone said (Ice, I think) it's alot easier to tell the truth and that's what I've done so I'm not worried about it. I think Charlie has something to hide.

Call it whatever you want Charlie...

I retract my vote to lynch Coler and vote to lynch Charlie.

Not favoring Charlie, but so far he hasn't been a suspect of mine while you and Niko have been. Charlie didn't give me a reason to be suspicious of the sincerity of his apology. Niko has, especially how quickly his came out of nowhere. Yours..well that isn't as definite as Nikos by any means. Most of my suspicion of you has been around your first day posts and the innuendo elf posts. I'm not sure what to think of that. Enough confusion is around it that I've kept you on my suspect list but enough doubt especially in light of other more obvioys behavior from the Clowns and Nikos that I've felt it was more important to vote for (against) them. If you're an innocent you'll appreciate how the innuendo could seem suspicious right now.


I've linked you to them? Really? I did mention timing of some of their posts in relation to your's. Why so touchy? Are you upset because you told Grins to go back and post that and thought no one would notice that it didn't fit the pattern of her quoting as she read up? Did you at least give her the post number or did you make her find it on her own?

Eh, I only wish someone give me post numbers. As has already been pointed out my replies to posts have not been abundantly clear regading whose quote I'm replying to so other townspeople could follow along with whom I'm replying to. If I can help sort something out now I'd be glad to try.

[Dangerdoll]

OK, red flags going here, this post is off. The font is off and the ad at the bottom is off. Could this be a copy and paste from an email?


Actually you are right on thiss 1 i don't see these adds on others whats up with that?


Whoa! Good catch Blue. Did DD just pull a mee-mee?!

DD?
The post was written in my email yes because I didn't want the site to lose my train of thought. I was in the middle of posting when I had to run out to put grave covers down for my grandmother's and grandfathers grave sites. I was in the middle of my thoughts when my sister called asking where I was. I had no choice but to run out in the middle of the post so I copied it into my email and sent it to myself so I could get back to it when I returned.

[Dangerdoll]

oh, and no, I didn't just pull a mee-mee, Hooked. My thoughts are very solid and my vote is spot on.

[Dangerdoll]

It certainly looks like it, as my beloved seems to have changed her font, and everything else. Who wrote this for you Double Dee???? Was it HN??? Go back to the chat room and tell him it didn't work. But it did add a third name to my list:
HN
Niko
DD

This is a good list.

ummm, who wrote this for me?? Charlie, you know me better than that. Why in the world would I need soemone to write a post for me??? Interesting that you added me to your list too... only solidifies my thoughts for you. I never in a million years thought we'd be in such a position again to each other. Again... you are breaking my heart.

[Grins]

You quoted my reason and I did place my vote on Coler originally. I wanted to see how Coler would react and he hasn't been around which is odd in and of itself. I am voting for my strongest suspect. What about my posts have made that unclear to you?


I wasn't clear that you still felt Coler was suspect. Now that I've read this I'm not confused about it any longer. On Coler, I've found it odd he has been so quiet after the first day of aggressive play. I think Mad said something about Coler saying he'd not be online but didn't Ice (?I think it was Ice) say that was in reference to the posts Coler had made saying he was sure he'd be hit or lynched the first night?

How in the heck have you guys kept all this straight for so many of these games?

[IceH2O]

sure thing, however clever this post is, I still have a hunch you might know exactly what this means. In games past where Charlie and I were in the game, Charlie has done a post or or ten of role playing. He comes up with a story, one balanced on the game in which we are playing. When he does this, he is usually the main character and me, his love. Now, Charlie did mention me being led astray this game but it wasn't in a role play. This is very unlike my Charlie. Nope, not in one bit unless there is something to hide....

Another thing that bothers me is who the elves took last night. This also leads me to believe Charlie is a bit elfy. He would like the same game play. When we were evil, we were 1 hair close to sweeping the town. We started off confusing the town and did rather well until subtle hints were let out. Here, I believe that same tactic is bing used. It wasn't someone very veteran to the game like Ice or Hooked, Coler... it was Andi. A newbie. Wow, I've done this same thing before. Why in the world would they take Andi. She was of no harm to anyone. Why... so that a mass confusion could happen and we could scuttle around aimlessly in this mass confusion. Typically, we would try to check lists and see just why the elves would have taken whoever.... well, I have noticed a post where andi is hot on Coler and CL (post 291). Could the elves have assumed that since Andi was taken out and she being a newbie to the game, that this post wouldn't hold much weight?

This doesn't take the heat off of Niko because I still think he may be guilty but I am feeling it stronger for Charlie right now.




interesting you would say this, Charlie. Nice subtlety for the group. Is it that you are disconnected from the group?

I vote to lycnh Charlie, sorry sugar... something just isn't right... you fooled me once, maybe even twice.... I'm not going for a 3rd.






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Wow DD..

So obviously you're communicating with others.

Now we just need to figure out if its with innocents or evil elves.

Heres my take.

If she is with the innocents then the evil elves will hit her since they know she is innocent.

If she is evil they wouldn't waste a hit on her.

We have to be careful about watching who starts the train on DD and who jumps on, could be evils trying to cover their tracks. Right Gupman?

I have Charlie leaning evil to begin with so DDs vote on him isn't such a red flag to me as it is with others.

[Dangerdoll]

I am not communicating with anyone else. I am looking to rid the town of elves and that is it.

I feel more strong about Charlie at this time and feel if anyone doesn't suspect him, there is a suspect.

[IceH2O]

ummm, who wrote this for me?? Charlie, you know me better than that. Why in the world would I need soemone to write a post for me??? Interesting that you added me to your list too... only solidifies my thoughts for you. I never in a million years thought we'd be in such a position again to each other. Again... you are breaking my heart.

See thats my problem with the coaching or writing for DD part.

DD doesn't need help.

I think they are using that freeforum that they used in one of the other games. Then DD posted what she was going to say and when they agreed it looked good she copied and pasted it.

I don't believe her stand that it was in email. Why not use wordpad?

[Dangerdoll]

Ice, you know me better than to make such a foolish mistake if I were evil. I think anyone who knows how I play should know. To second guess my reasons for it should be watched when and if I am taken out tonight.

[Dangerdoll]

because I found the email simpler. I was in a rush.

[IceH2O]

Her claim of using the email now has me wondering if I was wrong about her being innocent.

[gupman]

Wow DD..

So obviously you're communicating with others.

Now we just need to figure out if its with innocents or evil elves.

Heres my take.

If she is with the innocents then the evil elves will hit her since they know she is innocent.

If she is evil they wouldn't waste a hit on her.

We have to be careful about watching who starts the train on DD and who jumps on, could be evils trying to cover their tracks. Right Gupman?

I have Charlie leaning evil to begin with so DDs vote on him isn't such a red flag to me as it is with others.
Or it could be innocents Triin to get rid of an evil elf or the grinch....You are carefull to post both on this Innocents or evils..Noted on that 1..And I'm not too sure about you Neither..

[Dangerdoll]

Ice, rethink that. Why would I use that as an excuse?? Because it is the truth. Again, I say you should know me better than to use something like that for a lie.

I gotta run out again in case you guys think I am up to something. I will be back as soon as I can.

I just want to reiterate, I believe you all need to look at Charlie. When and if he goes tonight, I can almost guarantee he will be evil.

[Dangerdoll]

If he is not evil tonight, I say I pay a price of your own decision.

[IceH2O]

Ice, rethink that. Why would I use that as an excuse?? Because it is the truth. Again, I say you should know me better than to use something like that for a lie.

I gotta run out again in case you guys think I am up to something. I will be back as soon as I can.

I just want to reiterate, I believe you all need to look at Charlie. When and if he goes tonight, I can almost guarantee he will be evil.

DD normally you don't screw up but you have in the past and were evil.

The best of us screw up, you're not infallible.

[charlie_stubbs]

Wow DD..

So obviously you're communicating with others.

Now we just need to figure out if its with innocents or evil elves.

Heres my take.

If she is with the innocents then the evil elves will hit her since they know she is innocent.

If she is evil they wouldn't waste a hit on her.

We have to be careful about watching who starts the train on DD and who jumps on, could be evils trying to cover their tracks. Right Gupman?

I have Charlie leaning evil to begin with so DDs vote on him isn't such a red flag to me as it is with others.

Well here is my take on it. If she is in communication with the innocents, and they all think I'm evil then I have failed the town.

I didn't have any suspicion of her, but its interesting that since I have named HN, she begins to question my innocence, and now this. Hmmmmmm. How many elves are there again??? I think I've outed two.

[IceH2O]

Ice, rethink that. Why would I use that as an excuse?? Because it is the truth. Again, I say you should know me better than to use something like that for a lie.

I gotta run out again in case you guys think I am up to something. I will be back as soon as I can.

I just want to reiterate, I believe you all need to look at Charlie. When and if he goes tonight, I can almost guarantee he will be evil.

Okay lets say you're telling the truth about the email.

All that says is that its possible that you guys are communicating via email and not through messengers or PMs or forums.

Maybe because you're in different time zones?

[gupman]

And I would like to recap on the Andi inscedent Pard my spelling..lol,But she took a hit and was innocent And She was leaning towards cl and coler Hmmmm...Makes me wonder there too..cl is no longer here

[charlie_stubbs]

Ice, rethink that. Why would I use that as an excuse?? Because it is the truth. Again, I say you should know me better than to use something like that for a lie.

I gotta run out again in case you guys think I am up to something. I will be back as soon as I can.

I just want to reiterate, I believe you all need to look at Charlie. When and if he goes tonight, I can almost guarantee he will be evil.
You can almost guarantee I'm evil??? Thats a bold statement to make.
You are in damage control mode now, thats certainly apparent. Off to the chat room then, to see if your friends can help you squirm out of this.

[IceH2O]

You can almost guarantee I'm evil??? Thats a bold statement to make.
You are in damage control mode now, thats certainly apparent. Off to the chat room then, to see if your friends can help you squirm out of this.

I agree that almost guaranteeing evilness is a bold statement.

While I had you leaning evil, DDs explanations don't bode well with me.

If she does get lynched and turns up innocent then I believe her. If she gets hit and turns up innocent I believe her.

If she is lynched and evil, then my suspicions of you are removed.She won't be hit by the evils if she is evil because that would be a wasted hit.

[Grins]

Ice my head is spinning from reading that. I think I need a matrix to keep up with the game and who is acting suspicious and who has given good reasons for actions or inactions.

::Grins trudges off to find Tylenol and perhaps a computer programmer to build that matrix:::

[charlie_stubbs]

I agree that almost guaranteeing evilness is a bold statement.

While I had you leaning evil, DDs explanations don't bode well with me.

If she does get lynched and turns up innocent then I believe her. If she gets hit and turns up innocent I believe her.

If she is lynched and evil, then my suspicions of you are removed.She won't be hit by the evils if she is evil because that would be a wasted hit.
Well I suspect tomorrow I will be dead. I think I'm proving to be too much of a thorn to them. But I did help to identify my killers.
HN- scum
DD- scum
Niko- probably scum

[Madcrawdad]

sure thing, however clever this post is, I still have a hunch you might know exactly what this means. In games past where Charlie and I were in the game, Charlie has done a post or or ten of role playing. He comes up with a story, one balanced on the game in which we are playing. When he does this, he is usually the main character and me, his love. Now, Charlie did mention me being led astray this game but it wasn't in a role play. This is very unlike my Charlie. Nope, not in one bit unless there is something to hide....

Another thing that bothers me is who the elves took last night. This also leads me to believe Charlie is a bit elfy. He would like the same game play. When we were evil, we were 1 hair close to sweeping the town. We started off confusing the town and did rather well until subtle hints were let out. Here, I believe that same tactic is bing used. It wasn't someone very veteran to the game like Ice or Hooked, Coler... it was Andi. A newbie. Wow, I've done this same thing before. Why in the world would they take Andi. She was of no harm to anyone. Why... so that a mass confusion could happen and we could scuttle around aimlessly in this mass confusion. Typically, we would try to check lists and see just why the elves would have taken whoever.... well, I have noticed a post where andi is hot on Coler and CL (post 291). Could the elves have assumed that since Andi was taken out and she being a newbie to the game, that this post wouldn't hold much weight?

This doesn't take the heat off of Niko because I still think he may be guilty but I am feeling it stronger for Charlie right now.




interesting you would say this, Charlie. Nice subtlety for the group. Is it that you are disconnected from the group?

I vote to lycnh Charlie, sorry sugar... something just isn't right... you fooled me once, maybe even twice.... I'm not going for a 3rd.






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DD, my main concern here isn't the cut/paste job. Early in this post you cast suspicion on Grins for not knowing about your's and Chas' virtual romance. But let's be honest, it's not like you guys are Bogie and Bacall (or Ogre and Z, for that matter :) ).

You end the post with a vote for Charlie. Do you think that Charlie and Grins are evil and linked?

As a side note, where the heck has Coler been? Also, sure would like to hear more from Niko before voting.

[IceH2O]

Ice my head is spinning from reading that. I think I need a matrix to keep up with the game and who is acting suspicious and who has given good reasons for actions or inactions.

::Grins trudges off to find Tylenol and perhaps a computer programmer to build that matrix:::

I tend to over analyze a bit.

[charlie_stubbs]

Whoa! Good catch Blue. Did DD just pull a mee-mee?!

DD?
This post caught me by surprise. You went quiet after our "discussion" this morn, I thought maybe you were busy writing. Thank goodness DD screwed up the font and such in the change over, otherwise it was a well written and very convincing post, don't you think??

[IceH2O]

DD, my main concern here isn't the cut/paste job. Early in this post you cast suspicion on Grins for not knowing about your's and Chas' virtual romance. But let's be honest, it's not like you guys are Bogie and Bacall (or Ogre and Z, for that matter :) ).

You end the post with a vote for Charlie. Do you think that Charlie and Grins are evil and linked?

As a side note, where the heck has Coler been? Also, sure would like to hear more from Niko before voting.

Well Niko is on the thread so he should be responding.

Coler must think its a lost cause and has given up the ghost. He hasn't been on since right after the nightfall where he made a quick post.

[bethkira2000]

#749 I was reading through and just wanted to say Grins is right usually I am very articulate. first thank you for the compliment. Second you are right I have not been making much sense sometimes. I know what I want to say, and sometimes it seems that I have not worded it right. I have also been so caught up in a certain post that I hurry to answer it instead of taking the time.
My top three choices were for:
Coler
Plantling
IceH2O
I have read Charlies posts, and I have not played with him before, so I don't know if he is out of character or not. Also I cannot say for certain if I see him as evil or innocent.
Grins I would say innocent, because you haven't said or done anything to make me think otherwise.
Blueiz again not sure either way, she asks me alot of questions but that doesn't make her evil or innocent, it simply means she is trying to find things out for herself.
DD a little sketchy agreed on the e-mail post problem, but does that make her evil, not really.
And Coler who was posting all the time the first day, and has now become silent is very troubling, he was also the most defensive.
Niko alot of people agree he is evil, I still don't know if he is evil or not.
I promise that if I make it through tonight I will double my efforts to get evil out of the town. I originally voted for Coler and I am now having second thoughts. That is all I will say for now.

[charlie_stubbs]

DD, my main concern here isn't the cut/paste job. Early in this post you cast suspicion on Grins for not knowing about your's and Chas' virtual romance. But let's be honest, it's not like you guys are Bogie and Bacall (or Ogre and Z, for that matter :) ).

You end the post with a vote for Charlie. Do you think that Charlie and Grins are evil and linked?

As a side note, where the heck has Coler been? Also, sure would like to hear more from Niko before voting.
Bogie and Bacall??? I like to think we're more like Jimmy Dean and Natalie Woods, some might speculate we're even like Bonnie and Clyde.

[Hooked Newbie]

It certainly looks like it, as my beloved seems to have changed her font, and everything else. Who wrote this for you Double Dee???? Was it HN??? Go back to the chat room and tell him it didn't work. But it did add a third name to my list:
HN
Niko
DD

This is a good list.

Wasn't me... even IF I were evil, Ice taught me the lesson (mee-mee gate) not to try something that! :silly:

[charlie_stubbs]

Charlie weeps. The children outside are playing, and still Charlie weeps. Ogre leans out of the window of the counting house.
"You there!!! Boy!!!! What day is it????"
Charlie looks up at the curmudgeonly man. "Why, It's Christmas Eve sir"
"Then I'm not too late!!!", Ogre exclaims. "Here is three pence, fetch me the fattest Christmas Turkey in all of ACville!!!!"
"God Bless you Ogre, God Bless us each and every one."

[Hooked Newbie]

Well I suspect tomorrow I will be dead. I think I'm proving to be too much of a thorn to them. But I did help to identify my killers.
HN- scum
DD- scum
Niko- probably scum

Keep trying, but I'm not and eventually you will see. How bout this, since I'm convinced of you and you are convinced of me, let's try to find others. You aren't being helpful at all by putting the blinders on and trying to ram bogus accusations down the town's throat. I need to find the time to pull all of your "lists" since they've been frequently updated with who ever attacks you. I'm not moving my vote, I fully suspect you're evil.


DD, my main concern here isn't the cut/paste job. Early in this post you cast suspicion on Grins for not knowing about your's and Chas' virtual romance. But let's be honest, it's not like you guys are Bogie and Bacall (or Ogre and Z, for that matter :) ).

:lol:




This post caught me by surprise. You went quiet after our "discussion" this morn, I thought maybe you were busy writing. Thank goodness DD screwed up the font and such in the change over, otherwise it was a well written and very convincing post, don't you think??

I had things to do and if you must know a neighbor came by. Also, in case you're wondering I just went to BJ's, ate lunch, and ran by Petsmart to return some laterite. I'll provide addresses and receipts if you like. The harder you try, the more evil you're looking.

[Hooked Newbie]

Charlie weeps. The children outside are playing, and still Charlie weeps. Ogre leans out of the window of the counting house.
"You there!!! Boy!!!! What day is it????"
Charlie looks up at the curmudgeonly man. "Why, It's Christmas Eve sir"
"Then I'm not too late!!!", Ogre exclaims. "Here is three pence, fetch me the fattest Christmas Turkey in all of ACville!!!!"
"God Bless you Ogre, God Bless us each and every one."


I usually enjoy your roleplay quite a bit, but it is odd that it stopped for so long as suddenly is back now that DD asked about it.

[Blueiz]

My vote from last night carries over to tonight. Niko has provided nothing to sway my suspicions on him.

I vote to lynch Atnixon. (subj to change)

[Grins]

Bogie and Bacall??? I like to think we're more like Jimmy Dean and Natalie Woods, some might speculate we're even like Bonnie and Clyde.

I had no clue you guys were romantically entangled. Mgamer doesn't allow we salties to mingle with the FW people that often. :lipssealedsmilie: Knowing this now though does add a new dynamic to the game I wasn't aware of before. Not that it clears anything up but it underscores how much more some of you are playing with here when it comes to information.

[IceH2O]

DD another question.

Your posts says that the heat isn't off Niko as a suspect but Charlie stands out more.

Is it possible that your original vote and suspicion on Niko was a distancing tactic to throw us off?

Reason I ask is that once the heat really turned onto Niko you jumped to Charlie.It was no longer a safe place for a vote.

Charlie has become the safe vote for today but close enough to suspicious that it doesn't look very much out of place.

I really think Niko has shown more evilness then Charlie has. My only suspicion on Charlie really has to do with his posts against Grins at the same time Niko was doing it. Is Charlie also a teammate? Is that why no role playing? Is it all going on off thread?

[charlie_stubbs]

I had no clue you guys were romantically entangled. Mgamer doesn't allow we salties to mingle with the FW people that often. :lipssealedsmilie: Knowing this now though does add a new dynamic to the game I wasn't aware of before. Not that it clears anything up but it underscores how much more some of you are playing with here when it comes to information.
Well, its no secret I have a big time crush on DD, and someday I would like her to come to Canada and move into my igloo with me and tend to our many children and dogsleds. I often write her into my role play as a love interest for my bungling but well intentioned character.

[charlie_stubbs]

I usually enjoy your roleplay quite a bit, but it is odd that it stopped for so long as suddenly is back now that DD asked about it.


DD another question.

Your posts says that the heat isn't off Niko as a suspect but Charlie stands out more.

Is it possible that your original vote and suspicion on Niko was a distancing tactic to throw us off?

Reason I ask is that once the heat really turned onto Niko you jumped to Charlie.It was no longer a safe place for a vote.

Charlie has become the safe vote for today but close enough to suspicious that it doesn't look very much out of place.

I really think Niko has shown more evilness then Charlie has. My only suspicion on Charlie really has to do with his posts against Grins at the same time Niko was doing it. Is Charlie also a teammate? Is that why no role playing? Is it all going on off thread?
I wasn't aware my role playing was so well received. I'm very flattered and I intend to give you both roles in my next big feature.

[Madcrawdad]

#749 I was reading through and just wanted to say Grins is right usually I am very articulate. first thank you for the compliment. Second you are right I have not been making much sense sometimes. I know what I want to say, and sometimes it seems that I have not worded it right. I have also been so caught up in a certain post that I hurry to answer it instead of taking the time.
My top three choices were for:
Coler
Plantling
IceH2O
I have read Charlies posts, and I have not played with him before, so I don't know if he is out of character or not. Also I cannot say for certain if I see him as evil or innocent.
Grins I would say innocent, because you haven't said or done anything to make me think otherwise.
Blueiz again not sure either way, she asks me alot of questions but that doesn't make her evil or innocent, it simply means she is trying to find things out for herself.
DD a little sketchy agreed on the e-mail post problem, but does that make her evil, not really.
And Coler who was posting all the time the first day, and has now become silent is very troubling, he was also the most defensive.
Niko alot of people agree he is evil, I still don't know if he is evil or not.
I promise that if I make it through tonight I will double my efforts to get evil out of the town. I originally voted for Coler and I am now having second thoughts. That is all I will say for now.

Is it just me, or has Beth gotten ALOT more articulate in this post, since being called on it?

[Grins]

Well, its no secret I have a big time crush on DD, and someday I would like her to come to Canada and move into my igloo with me and tend to our many children and dogsleds. I often write her into my role play as a love interest for my bungling but well intentioned character.


Lol that is downright adorable. But don't start thinking I'm going to allow the uber cuteness to distract me from keeping my eyes open while bad things are happening in town.

[Grins]

Is it just me, or has Beth gotten ALOT more articulate in this post, since being called on it?

Not just you at all. It is like night and day and very sudden. As if the new tactic is to change the act.

[charlie_stubbs]

Lol that is downright adorable. But don't start thinking I'm going to allow the uber cuteness to distract me from keeping my eyes open while bad things are happening in town.
I encourage you keep a close eye on the happenings here, my salty friend, and I will do the same.

[Madcrawdad]

Well, its no secret I have a big time crush on DD, and someday I would like her to come to Canada and move into my igloo with me and tend to our many children and dogsleds. I often write her into my role play as a love interest for my bungling but well intentioned character.

I can see it now...Chas, DD, and the whole of the Stubbs brood, all wearing parkas w/ snowshoes, and clubbing baby harp seals.... Family, that's what it's all about, Chas. :)

[bethkira2000]

Madcrawdad, and Grins I went and read all my posts, some make sense, but the majority do not. I thought that if I was lynched tonight since I have been voted I should at least go out with style. No change in tactics or in the act, just thought I should take more time to answer posts the way I normally would. And maybe someone will finally understand them.

[charlie_stubbs]

I can see it now...Chas, DD, and the whole of the Stubbs brood, all wearing parkas w/ snowshoes, and clubbing baby harp seals.... Family, that's what it's all about, Chas. :)
minus the seal clubbing (DD would never allow that) this is what I pictured as well.

[Madcrawdad]

minus the seal clubbing (DD would never allow that) this is what I pictured as well.

she would never have to know....tell her that they're faux seals

[charlie_stubbs]

she would never have to know....tell her that they're faux seals
:lol:

[Madcrawdad]

Madcrawdad, and Grins I went and read all my posts, some make sense, but the majority do not. I thought that if I was lynched tonight since I have been voted I should at least go out with style. No change in tactics or in the act, just thought I should take more time to answer posts the way I normally would. And maybe someone will finally understand them.

Beth, if I were going to vote for you or Niko tonight, who would you recommend that I vote for?

[Rbishop]

to lynch...

niko (3) by ice 506 grins 564 blue 784

coler (2) by jl66 539 beth 726

hook (1) by cs 553

cs (2) by hk 685 DD 741

beth (1) by plnt 708

DD (1) by gup 747

10 of 14 have voted.....

nightfall in less thsn 4 hours....

no votes from.....

coler jpap mad niko

[Reefscape]

I pointed out that the last vote tally was a minute after your last post. You didn't post after that but it doesn't mean you weren't online at that time still looking.

I was not looking and did not see it...nothing more i can say on that.

I'm not saying you had to vote either one just that it looks suspicious that you left with the votes tied. The last one you claimed to see was 4-4. You had to see votes being bolded. Did you not think to see who they were being piled on?

Again, just becuase votes are pilling up on certain people is not going to make me move my vote just to get a lynch unless i am 200% certain that they are evil or my neck is on the line with a voting tie..

You say you had no thoughts on CL. Does that mean you didn't think either innocent or evil?

I could not really say either way..Yes, i felt he was odd, but not enough really in my eyes at the time to warrant a vote.

Did you think LG was innocent? If you did and had no feelings on CL then why not save LG who you feel is innocent, if thats your thoughts?

Again, i need to be convinced who i am going to vote for..

Obviously you thought Sploke was worth the vote, who was also innocent, even though DD was the one you were most casting suspicion on. Why not vote her?

I believe you corrected this in the following post, so, nothing to say to this. On Sploke, yes, i did feel he was evil, and enough for me to put a vote on him, and keep it on him as he never did anything to prove otherwise besides one post which did not tell me anything.

Your vote was worthless to the town. If anything it helped the evil elves. The possibilities that CL was evil are 50/50 according to the new numbers.

So, you think it was worthless, i did not, i voted for who i thought was evil..

Did you not vote for CL to try to save him? Did you not vote LG because you knew she was innocent? Your only course of action was to place a vote in a safe place.

Dont know why you keep asking the same questions, read the above answers on why and where my vote landed.

My vote stands.



Okay I went through the posts again and while looking over the early parts of the 1st day I notice not once but twice JM mentioned santa.

This I take as being an evil move. She is pointing out power roles.

In this light Clown was innocent IMO.

So Niko is that why you didn't want to be the vote on either to push them over the edge?

I have already stated that since JM left the game i felt DD changed stance.




wow this post is a mess.... Niko, really, you needn't try to convince me that you are innocently playing along, looking at me because I looked at you first, come on. How old are we? I basically asked why you were scraping the bottom of the barrel for things, not simply, "why me". You still see nothing with those exchanges when asking folks to look at your posts, you want people to focus on you?

Simply put, i dont feel i am scraping the bottom of the barrel. Your obviously going to say such things because i am questioning you and putting you into defensive mode..No, i still dont see nothing with that post exchange we had..as there is nothing to see, just you and blue gunning for me..


Tell me. What kind of pattern can you see from day 1? With the limited time you were here while I was at the same time, and my UD last game, just what kind of pattern are you going by? Reading other games? Which ones? I want you to be careful how you answer here now.

Your activity pattern, your suuden change away from me, obviously i was your top suspect hence why you continued to play cat and mouse with me..I will not be carefull how i answer, i will answer how i see fit DD..


About JM. Why would you even try to put the thought out there that JM was an evil and her roll was passed on to anyone, I'm sorry to who you were claiming was "changing patterns". Is that to say you think she had a power role? I think not, Niko. Come on, give us a little credit here. You were trying to put the thought out insinuating that JM was evil because you know it. This was even before CL was out so try not to climb that tree either. You call me reading into your words at this point. Twisting. Well Niko, "ok, I thought you were saying that JM had a role, and that's why you quoted so much on me, to show I had a role? Just doesn't make sense. Maybe thinking before typing would help. Better yet, try waiting until you get back to your own PC so you have more time to think things through before placing "post reply". For a little help, here's exactly what you said:
"To sum up, i think JM's role has been passed on to DD which would explain why her change in posting manners changed when JM went out of the game and why Blue is now moving away from DD..."
Yeah, that screams power role over elf. Come on, please.


Why not put the thought out there that JM could of been an evil and her role was passed on to someone else? nobody knows, even now if she was good or evil.

There is a lot of assumptions in your posts DD, assumptions which could be fed to you from other members perhaps? as quite clearly if you read my posts, i said "I" thought JM could of been evil. Nowhere did i state that "I KNOW" she was evil..Its you saying this, not me...Again, i dont need to think things through, i say them how i see them..Your getting very defensive here in your posts DD, almost as if i am actually on to something with you and all you want to do is talk all my thoughts down...if you are evil, the town will hopefully see it and vote for you...

That whole charlie part, Niko.... well, tell me then, if you were talking to Grins, why were you quoting Charlie?

If you care to go back and read it, it was a three way convo...or did you miss that part?

speaking of charlie... no DD in roleplaying this game?

g/o
so sorry to hear this CL, I hope she gets to feeling better soon and heals well enough. I know it musta sucked for you both. All my best.
g/o




Originally Posted by jpappy789 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/../style_assets_2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1181063#post1181063)
Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.

Sorry I have not posted as much as i should Or what people i think I should..
But this here has me confused...Now first mad brought up about what grins had to say about her not kicking in doors and then youfollow then all the sudden jpap brings up the fact that she is a newb and she needs time to get the hang of things then all the sudden you agree then apologize Makes me think that you 2 are really 2 evils comunicating triing not to look like you are and grins is communicating as well?

Got nothing to do with being evil Gup, because i am not...Its called making an appology when something is pointed out to you..




No, the case against you had been building, starting with the points first addressed by some of the other townspeople about your behavior and contradictory statements. The false information about when I was online was the major factor in my decision but at first I was even willing to allow you some room for doubt thinking it was perhaps computer error. But once I saw the stirring of a pot that didn't exist in order to create the illusion of susipicousness I no longer can do that. At this rate I'm sure that others will see your behavor for what it is...divide and separate the town. I don't say "our town" because at this point I don't feel it is your's.

Its nice to see you jump on the train with the other Grins..

If it was false infomation, then the forum was lying as the last activity times of the three members i posted where taken from your AC member pages..To be honest, i am not bothered if you belive me or not, i know the infomation was correct.


Thank you for the apology. I have to admit I'm not sure how sincere it is though, it just seems so sudden. If you are innocent you'll understand why I'm scared enough to keep my vote the same right now and will watch closely to see if it needs to change.

Seems sudden? it was pointed out by someone that it was not really right to push you in that manner, so i realised this when i saw the post and appologies...Keep your vote on me, its people like you who are voting for me who will have a surprise when i show up as innocent if i get lynched, then its you's who will have egg on your faces...

On another note, I'm worried about Clown. I voted for him the first night so I obviously suspected he was not completely pure. But now he has been so quiet I don't know what to think. I've been unbelievably busy the past few days but I've made time to at least check in and catch up once a day. Why not Clown? Is this part of his strategy to rile the town up the first day and then lay low? Or is there an aspect to the game I'm not familiar with? Could the grinch and his evil elves done something to him that we won't find out about until tonight?


OK, all caught up. As I mentioned in one of my recent replies, the work project I've been busy with the past few days should be wrapped up today.

At this point my suspects are

Niko
I know he has given false information about me, and when I combine that with what seemed to be a desire to spin up Charlie and others I find him looking guilty. I'm going to keep my vote on Niko for now.

Oh, false info about you??...lol...read above, keep your vote where ever you want, read comments from me on the last bolded/red text

HookedNewbie
The early posts on day one throwing out elf hints with things like "my *** belongs to Keebler" just don't sit right with me. I don't feel as strongly about him as I do Niko but have my eyes on him at the moment.

Beth
Her voting for herself was odd to me, but it is her explanations for why she did it that leaves a distaste in my mouth. They make even less sense to me and cause me to think she is dancing around the truth. I have a strong suspicion she is an evil elf and will continue to watch her as well.

Coler
He has me confused to say the least. I do still think Clown was evil, maybe because I didn't get a strong feeling about JIM one way or the other. So how do I take Coler and Clown's postings on Day 1? If Clown was evil does this mean Coler was innocent? Or since they've both been pointed out as clever townspeople, was Day 1 an attempt to make us look elsewhere simply because the two of them were so hyperfocused on one another that we'd not concern ourselves with them and instead focus on innocents like Andi, LadyG, etc.? I'm confused on Coler but enough doubt that I'm keeping his a suspect for now.


Somebody that I'm taking a harder look at today is Niko...

Anybody remember Coler trying to lynch me on Day 1 based on the Blitzen discussion? He ultimately abandoned the plan because he didn't get much support. Niko seemed to be a supporter, though.

If you care to read back, i actually said it should be done.

While Coler tried to lynch me for saying anything about Blitzen (although he did use that Blitzen discussion to go after Clown:confused:), Niko hopped on and accused me of wanting to kill Blitzen. This was absolutely the opposite of everything I had said about Blitzen.

I asked you to clear up two contradicting posts, simply that..you cleared it up and nothing more was said about it by me.

As he had two votes on him at the time, it seemed like a really opportunistic attempt to deflect attention off of him and get a bandwagon behind Coler on me. The fact that he accused me of completely the opposite of what my posts had said, says to me that he really didn't pay much attention to my posts in the first place, and it looked like a blatant attempt to focus attention on me.

If i wanted attention brought to you, i would of gone back and pulled all your posts that i thought were suspect and questioned you on them. The fact that i did not do that shows that i was not getting behind Coler.

I've noted the fact that his tone seems to have recently become more concilaitory in his running feud with DD/Blue. He really seems to be trying hard now to extricate himself from that whole thing. Seems like he's getting a little nervous about something.

I have zero to get nervous about.

Not saying that I'm voting him today, but he'd probably be my leading candidate at this point.


My thoughts on Niko:
During my exchange with Grins, I got the feeling Niko was trying to "buddy" up with me, agreeing with me to both gain my trust and to get someone besides him in the limelight.

I am satisfied with Grins' responses to my posts. No hard feelings Grins, but it did help build a case against Niko. His eagerness to get you hanged is quite telling.

My eagerness to get her hanged? i was simply questioning what she was saying, as were you...

I will ask that all innocents take a closer look at HN.


My vote from last night carries over to tonight. Niko has provided nothing to sway my suspicions on him.

I vote to lynch Atnixon. (subj to change)

Still voting for me Blue? still you have not posted anything to make you keep your vote on me. Even when you tried to, others could still not understand. Simple fact is, you dont have anything on me and that is quite obvious by your lack of providing anything substanial to say about me..All you do is refer to the post exchanges between myself, you and DD..If that is all you have to go, then you have a very poor case indeed.

[Madcrawdad]

I vote to lynch Beth

Something isn't right there....

In an early post, she posts coherently enough about Coler & Clown Lover's argument being possible distancing, which says to me that she's capable of thinking logically about the game. Since then alot of posts have been nearly unreadable and illogical... Since being called on it, though, her recent posts make much more sense. What gives?

Also, the fact that twice she's either voted for me or tossed my name out on a suspect list, to be retracted both times with only the slightest of questioning. It seems like she's trying to blend in by putting suspects names out there, but doesn't have much of a reason for doing so. I mean really think about this...2x she named me as scum, and 2x when lightly questioned she turned tail and said, 'Oops...my mistake.' What's up with that?

[Reefscape]

^ the non vote is suspicious niko.

checking back I see JL and HN are voting for me - bit early lads no ? I hope I was at least investigated and that one person therefore has empirical proof of my innocence.

HN 'attack me like you did clown' - lol clown is still around, also it was me voted clown, and clown who attacked me...of course I respondend...read the posts my friend. if you're going to vote for me you might show us the case - I didn't vote for an innocent last night at least :D (not saying you did can't remember :))


(as we move towards night I would like people to keep Ice's post on niko in mind tomorrow...walking away from a split vote like that...very poor town play...understandable mafia mentality - we've all done that as scum folks)


yes...rather amazingly despite the fact that I am a scumbag (according to cl) and suspicious according to jpapp (and in a small way to LG) and have 'set up a train well' according to niko...there is not a single vote on me...

...I will not be around tomorrow, will come up innocent, and no one wants to have a vote against my name...correct fairies ?


nothing from clown lover *shrug*

and nobody putting up a case for an innocent clown lover *shrug*

this makes it impossible for me to change my vote.

I predict either a landslide of votes for clown lover in the next hour, or a serious effort to run another lynch candidate.

unfortunately its late here and I will not be around for nightfall, but never let it be said I didn't give a sucker an even break.


do you really think I'm evil japp ? come on and put the vote on - won't look good when I come out as the innocent hit will it ?

My lead suspect is Coler..He has been on the defensive since the game started and has done nothing since to make me feel otherwise. All he seems to of done is egg people on to vote for him and been very blazay about it too...All he seemed to be doing was trying to get the run going on CL..

[charlie_stubbs]

My lead suspect is Coler..He has been on the defensive since the game started and has done nothing since to make me feel otherwise. All he seems to of done is egg people on to vote for him and been very blazay about it too...All he seemed to be doing was trying to get the run going on CL..
well, at risk of being "linked" to Coler, the majority believes CL was evil methinks.

[Dangerdoll]

You can almost guarantee I'm evil??? Thats a bold statement to make.
You are in damage control mode now, thats certainly apparent. Off to the chat room then, to see if your friends can help you squirm out of this.
Bold statement it is, my beloved. However, I know that if I am not lynched by the town tonight, I expect to be hit by you elves. I just woncer how you could do it to me.


DD, my main concern here isn't the cut/paste job. Early in this post you cast suspicion on Grins for not knowing about your's and Chas' virtual romance. But let's be honest, it's not like you guys are Bogie and Bacall (or Ogre and Z, for that matter :) ).

You end the post with a vote for Charlie. Do you think that Charlie and Grins are evil and linked?

As a side note, where the heck has Coler been? Also, sure would like to hear more from Niko before voting.
Mad, I didn't have a solid suspicion on grins, I only had a passing thought that she was using a clever tactic with her post if in fact she is. I never accused her of not knowing about Charlie and my romance, I was only thinking it was a clever post if in fact she is teamed up with him, just to make her look innocent. I am not however, sold on gher innocence or guilt at this time.

DD another question.

Your posts says that the heat isn't off Niko as a suspect but Charlie stands out more.

Is it possible that your original vote and suspicion on Niko was a distancing tactic to throw us off?

Reason I ask is that once the heat really turned onto Niko you jumped to Charlie.It was no longer a safe place for a vote.

Charlie has become the safe vote for today but close enough to suspicious that it doesn't look very much out of place.

I really think Niko has shown more evilness then Charlie has. My only suspicion on Charlie really has to do with his posts against Grins at the same time Niko was doing it. Is Charlie also a teammate? Is that why no role playing? Is it all going on off thread?
No, I still think Niko is evil but I am more sure of Charlie. What me and Charlie have is the biggest thing I have to go on. He is different than what I expect, I feel I know his subtle little ways of letting me know. Is it consciously done by him, I don't know but I can tell.
If you were to ask me this same question early yesterday, my answer probably would have been different. Today, it stands for Charlie.


minus the seal clubbing (DD would never allow that) this is what I pictured as well.
thank you Charlie :) you are always thinking of me :)


she would never have to know....tell her that they're faux seals
Now Mad, Charlie only tries to see if he can trick me in Mafia, no where else as he knows it's getting harder and harder to fool his beloved.

[bethkira2000]

go madcrawdad I will say this to you if I am lynched you were wrong.

[Blueiz]

Still voting for me Blue? still you have not posted anything to make you keep your vote on me. Even when you tried to, others could still not understand. Simple fact is, you dont have anything on me and that is quite obvious by your lack of providing anything substanial to say about me..All you do is refer to the post exchanges between myself, you and DD..If that is all you have to go, then you have a very poor case indeed.


Yes Niko, Im still voting for you. As I stated,
My vote from last night carries over to tonight. Niko has provided nothing to sway my suspicions on him.

I dont feel a need to go back and repeat all that has been said, the posts speak for themselves.

[Reefscape]

Yes Niko, Im still voting for you. As I stated,
I dont feel a need to go back and repeat all that has been said, the posts speak for themselves.

Obviously they dont, else you would be re-itterating your case...as it appears from you post, you dont have one..

[Hooked Newbie]

well, at risk of being "linked" to Coler, the majority believes CL was evil methinks.

Maybe I'm in the minority. I agree that he was acting strangely, but based on the count from Rb and my suspicions about Judge, I think he was innocent.

[Grins]

Quote:
Its nice to see you jump on the train with the other Grins..


If it was false infomation, then the forum was lying as the last activity times of the three members i posted where taken from your AC member pages..To be honest, i am not bothered if you belive me or not, i know the infomation was correct.

It was not correct as I was not near the computer at that time. So either the server is not accurate, you were mistaken, or you were spreading false information. As I said before I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt at first but behavior since then makes me less inclined to do so. In fact it seems detrimental to the town to do so.



Quote:
Seems sudden? it was pointed out by someone that it was not really right to push you in that manner, so i realised this when i saw the post and appologies...Keep your vote on me, its people like you who are voting for me who will have a surprise when i show up as innocent if i get lynched, then its you's who will have egg on your faces...


You're right, I will have egg on my face it you turn out be innocent. But for now I happen to believe that you are the most guilty acting of those I suspect and I plan on keeping my vote as is.

To clarify for others, my current suspects are Niko, Beth, Coler, HN, and now DD. DD is new so I'll explain that the posting of the email signature seemed to be what others mentioned..evidence she is is in one of the groups communicating. Because that leaves a strong possibility that she could be evil I have to consider her right now.

[Grins]

Oh good grief this game plays with one mind does it not? Each day that goes by I end up suspecting more people not less. :thud:

[Blueiz]

Obviously they dont, else you would be re-itterating your case...as it appears from you post, you dont have one..


:lol:

[Reefscape]

:lol:

I rest my case

[Hooked Newbie]

Oh good grief this game plays with one mind does it not? Each day that goes by I end up suspecting more people not less. :thud:

Game off/

Just wait until you proofread a work email to find that you "call someone out" for suspicious behavior! :eek:

Game on/

[Blueiz]

I rest my case


Too bad you didnt have one to rest...

[Grins]

Game off/

Just wait until you proofread a work email to find that you "call someone out" for suspicious behavior! :eek:

Game on/

:eek:

[IceH2O]

My lead suspect is Coler..He has been on the defensive since the game started and has done nothing since to make me feel otherwise. All he seems to of done is egg people on to vote for him and been very blazay about it too...All he seemed to be doing was trying to get the run going on CL..

Who else are your suspects Niko?

I'd go back and look but it seems to change with the thread and who is on you. Eh don't bother I'll look myself.

Jpap and Coler are worrying me that they will UD. If evil good ridance but we can't have innocents dropping like flies. When they die we also die with them.

Its 9-5 right now if everything goes to plan it'll be 8-4, if they are both innocents and UD its down to 6-4 and we are just about done in as little as 1 more game night.

Obviously if they are both evil or a split of one and one its a bit better but still not a lot of fun having a game decided bu UDs.

[Grins]

I don't know if I can take another night of so many innocents lost in UDs. Does this happen often?

[Reefscape]

Who else are your suspects Niko?

I'd go back and look but it seems to change with the thread and who is on you. Eh don't bother I'll look myself.

Jpap and Coler are worrying me that they will UD. If evil good ridance but we can't have innocents dropping like flies. When they die we also die with them.

Its 9-5 right now if everything goes to plan it'll be 8-4, if they are both innocents and UD its down to 6-4 and we are just about done in as little as 1 more game night.

Obviously if they are both evil or a split of one and one its a bit better but still not a lot of fun having a game decided bu UDs.

I thought that was pretty obvious..Sploke was on day one..Sploke is gone..And my current suspects are Coler and DD...if you would like to go back and quote all my posts to back up your statement about changing with the thread, bash on..lets see em...

[Rbishop]

Bala notices a lack of 3 votes...from..

coler jpap niko

and...

PMs/e-mails as required/desired....

[Reefscape]

Sticking with my thoughts on Coler...I vote to lynch Coler

[IceH2O]

I thought that was pretty obvious..Sploke was on day one..Sploke is gone..And my current suspects are Coler and DD...if you would like to go back and quote all my posts to back up your statement about changing with the thread, bash on..lets see em...

Nope thats about right.

Though you've gotten into some tussles with others. Why aren't they on your list?

[Hooked Newbie]

Sticking with my thoughts on Coler...I vote to lynch Coler

This is about the most suspicious thing you've done Mate. Coler appears to be on his way to a UD so you throw your vote there? Maybe because you know what the results will read and want to be able to say "See, I suspected him. I even voted for him"?

[Reefscape]

This is about the most suspicious thing you've done Mate. Coler appears to be on his way to a UD so you throw your vote there? Maybe because you know what the results will read and want to be able to say "See, I suspected him. I even voted for him"?


Is coler a UD yet? No, he is not...

[IceH2O]

Speaking of Coler.

I think a good rule would be all votes need to be in 1 hour before night fall.

If no vote is in by that 1 hour mark you UD.

After the 1 hour mark then votes can be changed as many times as you'd like.

That gives those with votes on that UD person time to switch to someone else.

Its not really right that Coler or whoever does it could wait till 1 minutes left and pop on after everyones pulled votes from him.

This is for future games mind you.

[Reefscape]

Nope thats about right.

Though you've gotten into some tussles with others. Why aren't they on your list?

Get into many tussles, does not mean i have to have them down as a suspect..happy to but horns with anyone...

[IceH2O]

Is coler a UD yet? No, he is not...

He hasn't been on in almost 48 hours, its probably safe to say he won't show.

[IceH2O]

But I understand the vote.

You should have a 2nd person in place to vote for as night gets ready to fall just in case.

I'm assuming DD is your other suspect and the one you'd switch to as night gets closer if Coler is a no show.

[Hooked Newbie]

Is coler a UD yet? No, he is not...

Thanks for the obvious. Wow that's your only response? No further explanation or logic?

You put your vote on someone 90 minutes away from UD with a simple "Sticking with my thoughts on Coler"...

This really bolsters the case for you to me. If it's between you and someone else, I'm gonna tip it to you since Charlie seems to have enough people snowed to not be at risk.

[Reefscape]

But I understand the vote.

You should have a 2nd person in place to vote for as night gets ready to fall just in case.

I'm assuming DD is your other suspect and the one you'd switch to as night gets closer if Coler is a no show.


Correct, if Coler is not likely to show up for the end of the night, i will move my vote.

[Reefscape]

Thanks for the obvious. Wow that's your only response? No further explanation or logic?

You put your vote on someone 90 minutes away from UD with a simple "Sticking with my thoughts on Coler"...

This really bolsters the case for you to me. If it's between you and someone else, I'm gonna tip it to you since Charlie seems to have enough people snowed to not be at risk.


Simple fact is, you cannot "assume" somebody is not going to show up. What other response do you want?

[jpappy789]

Well, after reading...I am suspecting a lot of people yet none of them are much stronger than the others...

I got:

Niko...jumping on Grins yesterday brought you back towards the top of my suspect list and I cant find anything that makes me think you are innocent so I feel that you are my top suspect atm...and I am not liking the coler vote

Coler...my opinions are out there already on him, basically his gameplay day 1, yet his silence is quite odd...coler if you read this and are evil, dont mind posting a vote!

Chas...I guess I could call this a gut feeling, something seems wrong about you Chas, but I will admit that I dont have any hard evidence on you

Beth...posting has definitely changed and I doubt it has to do with her having a better feel for the game, I think her teammates warned her that her 'newbie card' expired today

DD...I mean copying it to email??? I dont know...I am going to wait for more from you but the 'guaranteeing' that Chas is evil reminds me of how you knew that Lg was 100% innocent when you were my little minion...

I vote to lynch Niko

[Hooked Newbie]

Simple fact is, you cannot "assume" somebody is not going to show up. What other response do you want?

You to name all your team mates? That would work. You were the one who waited so close to night to cast a vote, not me. People can't see thoughts. You haven't really posted alot on the topic of Coler. I think it's a convenient, but all too obvious ploy for you given the vote count and time of day.

[Reefscape]

You to name all your team mates? That would work. You were the one who waited so close to night to cast a vote, not me. People can't see thoughts. You haven't really posted alot on the topic of Coler. I think it's a convenient, but all too obvious ploy for you given the vote count and time of day.


Not been hear earlier in the day as i had my daughter, i do have other things to do besides Mafia. A vote is a vote..think of it as you wish...

[Hooked Newbie]

Not been hear earlier in the day as i had my daughter, i do have other things to do besides Mafia. A vote is a vote..think of it as you wish...

I can appreciate real life and was gone for a good chunk of this "day" myself as well, but let's not forget that it started on Thursday...

[IceH2O]

Not been hear earlier in the day as i had my daughter, i do have other things to do besides Mafia. A vote is a vote..think of it as you wish...

I saw you on the thread around 2 PM our time. You placed your vote at 6 PM our time.

Why not place the vote then?

[Reefscape]

I saw you on the thread around 2 PM our time. You placed your vote at 6 PM our time.

Why not place the vote then?

Its called reading up on the thread

[Grins]

Um, it took 4 hours to read the posts since you were last here?

[Reefscape]

Not been hear earlier in the day as i had my daughter, i do have other things to do besides Mafia. A vote is a vote..think of it as you wish...


Um, it took 4 hours to read the posts since you were last here?

See above

[Grins]

I did, but not understanding how reading up on the thread from 2-6 is answered by the other.

[IceH2O]

Its called reading up on the thread

If Colers been your top suspect why not place the vote then switch if need be?

What if something had come up and you couldn't place a vote?

I'd rather see a vote and it be switched to not see any vote and a UD.

[Reefscape]

I did, but not understanding how reading up on the thread from 2-6 is answered by the other.


Ummm...where did i say that i was sitting here reading the thread from 2 - 6? Oh, i did not..i said i had other things to do...

[Reefscape]

If Colers been your top suspect why not place the vote then switch if need be?

What if something had come up and you couldn't place a vote?

I'd rather see a vote and it be switched to not see any vote and a UD.


Because i dont do snap votes. Gun for me as much as you like..You learn soon enough that i am innocent.

[IceH2O]

Because i dont do snap votes. Gun for me as much as you like..You learn soon enough that i am innocent.

How is it a snap vote if he was your top suspect?

What did you read in todays events that makes him your top suspect?

[Reefscape]

How is it a snap vote if he was your top suspect?

What did you read in todays events that makes him your top suspect?


I have gone through his posts...hence why i quoted the posts of his in my earlier post...It makes me laugh how your all gunning for an innocent when the evil ones are just laughing at you..

[jpappy789]

I have gone through his posts...hence why i quoted the posts of his in my earlier post...It makes me laugh how your all gunning for an innocent when the evil ones are just laughing at you..
One thing that bothers me niko is that it took you over an hour to vote for coler after "making a case" for him...care to explain why?

[Reefscape]

One thing that bothers me niko is that it took you over an hour to vote for coler after "making a case" for him...care to explain why?

You may be a person who just sits here watching the mafia thread, i am not...i made a case for DD, but did i go out and put my vote on her? No, i did not. Just because someone makes a case for a person, does not mean they have to stick their vote on them there and then.

[IceH2O]

No but with just a couple of hours left before night I think they would.

Now if today was yesterday I think that would hold water, but its not and it doesn't.

Niko you haven't shown me any reason not to vote you.

I kept waiting for a good reason to outweigh the bad, anything to make me think I might be wrong. Even if it only put the vote off till another day, but you just kept digging the hole deeper.

[jpappy789]

You may be a person who just sits here watching the mafia thread, i am not...i made a case for DD, but did i go out and put my vote on her? No, i did not. Just because someone makes a case for a person, does not mean they have to stick their vote on them there and then.
jeez...no need to get defensive, just wondering why if you mention that coler is your top suspect after making a case that you feel the need to wait to vote

[jpappy789]

You may be a person who just sits here watching the mafia thread, i am not...i made a case for DD, but did i go out and put my vote on her? No, i did not. Just because someone makes a case for a person, does not mean they have to stick their vote on them there and then.

And niko...how does this sentence pertain to the rest of what you said...are you trying to say that RL got in the way, so to speak...???

[Reefscape]

And niko...how does this sentence pertain to the rest of what you said...are you trying to say that RL got in the way, so to speak...???

I have said a few times tonight, i have had other things to do besides mafia mate...

[jpappy789]

I have said a few times tonight, i have had other things to do besides mafia mate...
interesting though...seeing as you needed to take the time to argue with blue...again

You make your case for coler...argue with blue...then ice asks who your suspects are...you tell him who, and then rb posts a comment stating that you have no vote, and all of a sudden you place yours?

I just dont see why you keep saying that rl is getting in the way of placing a vote when you were on before, bickering with blue for about the 500th time...I am not questioning the fact that there are more important things in your life than mafia, but I still dont get how after making a case for someone only a few hours before night, you felt the need to wait to place a vote...maybe its just me...

[Reefscape]

oh well...18 mins to go before nightfall and coler has still not come online, i retract my vote for coler and vote to lynch DD.

When/if i get lynched tonight, i would like for all the innocents to look at the people who were gunning for me, as i think that is where you will find your evil ones, and investigate them...cus they sure as heck are laughing right now

[Hooked Newbie]

Well since my vote on Charlie won't matter and Coler seems to be going to UD (maybe him and KOTD had a picnic today?)...

I retract my vote to lynch Charlie and vote to lynch Atnixon.

This in no way means that I don't still believe Charlie is evil. Hopefully we can get rid of two of them tonight though.

[IceH2O]

Well Niko its so late in the day even if you switch it won't be enough to save you.

You should have made a case on DD and you might have convinced some of us to switch to her and saved yourself,since she is one of your suspects.

She might have screwed up pretty good today and you missed a great opportunity to save yourself if you are innocent.

[jpappy789]

5 MINUTES UNTIL NIGHT!!!!!





Day Two: through post #854

Niko (5)- Ice 506 Grins 564 blue 784 jpap 831 Hn 853

Coler (2)- Hn 514 JL 539 beth 726 Niko 820

Hn (1)- Chas 553

Chas(1)- hn 685 DD 741

Beth(2)- plant 708 mad 801

DD(2)- gup 747 Niko 852


No vote from: coler

[charlie_stubbs]

Well since my vote on Charlie won't matter and Coler seems to be going to UD (maybe him and KOTD had a picnic today?)...

I retract my vote to lynch Charlie and vote to lynch Atnixon.

This in no way means that I don't still believe Charlie is evil. Hopefully we can get rid of two of them tonight though.

When am I not your best suspect???

My vote on you isn't helping, your still evil, yada yada yada
I retract my vote for HN, and vote to lynch Niko

[Rbishop]

It is Night.....

[Grins]

Eeek! That looks so scary when you say it.

[Rbishop]

Bala sees another day come to an end, and the dwindling populatin of ACville approaching...

These nights of lynching the Townies are hard to take...

[Rbishop]

The Townies have gathered and chosen their victim. Despite any arguements put forth, they have made their choice.

Atnixon is lynched, swaying in the cool evening breeze, as a random snow flake....

Atnixon was just an Innocent...

[Grins]

The Townies have gathered and chosen their victim. Despite any arguements put forth, they have made their choice.

Atnixon is lynched, swaying in the cool evening breeze, as a random snow flake....

Atnixon was just an Innocent...

Not again! :eek:

[IceH2O]

SHHHHH

[Rbishop]

The Evil Elves scamper in their brightly colored tights to the 4 corners of ACville, all the while popping sour lemon drop candies.

They eventually meet at the home of their chosen victim, another step achieved in their thwarts to kill Christmas.

The sharpened candy canes quickly dispatch the victim, no holiday colors intended.

Plantling was just an Innocent....

[Rbishop]

After the stalls had been cleaned today, the residue bedding straw and waste was taken to the local landfill, for composting.

As the truck dumped it's load, (pun intended), into the shredder, the workers saw a glimpse of red light in the debri and a heard a slight decrease in the speed of the chippers, as momentary as it was.

Coler is no longer in ACville, an Innocent and Rudolph...

[Rbishop]

The recipient of Present "A" has refused to open it.

[Rbishop]

Game On....

Nightfall, Game Day 3 will be at 8 PM EST Monday, 12/03....

[Reefscape]

As Niko takes ones last quick glance at Bala, and a peek across the square, staring in disbelief at all the people waiting on his death, he thinks to himself, “if only they had listened to him, and not other people”, they would have more people to help rid the town of evil. The last words heard from his lips are “Who’s the more foolish?…The fool or the fool who follows”……………………………

[Dangerdoll]

oh my... I am sorry Niko for doubting you.
holy smokes :(

[IceH2O]

Okay this is just crazy. 3 more innocents dead.

Coler has a Power role and leaves us hung out to dry?

Sorry Niko, I was hoping for something to change my mind but as I said all you did was dig the hole deeper.

Plant as a hit?

Time to look over the thread. We REALLY need to hit evil tonight. By my count its 6 innocents vs 5 evils.

Only person I know off the top of my head Plant was after was Beth. I'll have to look back and see who else she suspected.

[charlie_stubbs]

Niko, I am sorry. I should have tried harder to push for my best suspect.

I vote to lynch HN

[Grins]

SHHHHH

Are we not allowed to talk when Bala posts?

[Hooked Newbie]

:mad2::wall:

Crap! Tonight sucked! Maybe I've been reading things all wrong and the evil elves just haven't made many if any mistakes. Maybe it's Mad, Ice, Jpap, DD, Blue, Grins...

I do still think Charlie is guilty, but I thought Coler and Lady G were as well so I'm going to keep an open mind. At this point I can relate to LG last game and would almost invite a lych out of frustration.

Sorry I helped to kill you Niko.

I vote to lynch Jpappy. Not much of a case, but I think we've been led around by the noses and he's been just helpful enough to stay active without raising any suspicions.

[Grins]

As Niko takes ones last quick glance at Bala, and a peek across the square, staring in disbelief at all the people waiting on his death, he thinks to himself, “if only they had listened to him, and not other people”, they would have more people to help rid the town of evil. The last words heard from his lips are “Who’s the more foolish?…The fool or the fool who follows”……………………………

I'm sorry Niko. :wall:

[IceH2O]

We have numerous things to look into guys so don't go all off the handle.

We need to keep our wits, if they lynch another innocent and hit one its game over.

Plant was on Beth

We still have DDs copy ands paste. She also was on Niko till the heat was put on him then slid off to the side. Start the train and once it gets momentum jump to someone else.

Jpap is a good suspect as HN pointed out.

Don't forget post and run Gupman either. He has really flown under the radar.

[Dangerdoll]

how about we go as we did that one game where we came up with a couple of suspects and chose to go with one of them. I really don't want this game to be like the last. Right now, I am pretty sure on Charlie.

pappy, I am not so sure about. I do find it interesting of Grins and her seeming togetherness with Charlie.

[Madcrawdad]

5 MINUTES UNTIL NIGHT!!!!!





Day Two: through post #856

Niko (6)- Ice 506 Grins 564 blue 784 jpap 831 Hn 853 Chas 856

Coler (2)- Hn 514 JL 539 beth 726 Niko 820

Hn (1)- Chas 553

Chas(1)- hn 685 DD 741

Beth(2)- plant 708 mad 801

DD(2)- gup 747 Niko 852


No vote from: coler


Well since my vote on Charlie won't matter and Coler seems to be going to UD (maybe him and KOTD had a picnic today?)...

I retract my vote to lynch Charlie and vote to lynch Atnixon.

This in no way means that I don't still believe Charlie is evil. Hopefully we can get rid of two of them tonight though.


When am I not your best suspect???

My vote on you isn't helping, your still evil, yada yada yada
I retract my vote for HN, and vote to lynch Niko

Chas/HN, you both changed votes to Niko extremely late. As neither of your votes were necessary to actually finish him off, would you mind explaining why you wanted to be in on the kill so badly?

[Blueiz]

Sorry Niko, I voted for who I found most suspicious and that was you.

Gupman had only ten posts when he cast his vote, I find this highly suspicious as well.

Beths posting, as I said earlier, is very scattered..

Charlie, something isnt right about him. He seems very docile this game..

I suspect others, at this point the ones above are the ones that stand out most to me.

[Grins]

My togetherness with Charlie? Huh? Because I accepted an apology? I can understand why people are nervous and looking at everyone right now. I am as well. I mean your odd post yesterday with the email ads yesterday sure makes it seem like you're communicating with someone about the game. I still find that suspicious for what appears obvious to me and hopefully to others.

Right now I'm really baffled by the hit on Plant. Why? I hardly remember her saying anything. I'm off to check who she might have been suspicious about that got nervous and went after her.

[IceH2O]

how about we go as we did that one game where we came up with a couple of suspects and chose to go with one of them. I really don't want this game to be like the last. Right now, I am pretty sure on Charlie.

pappy, I am not so sure about. I do find it interesting of Grins and her seeming togetherness with Charlie.


Lets all fall onto 1 player? Is that what you're saying?

Thats all they need is for 1 more innocent to be lynched then their hit and its game over.

How will we learn anything if we landslide vote someone out?

[IceH2O]

Chas/HN, you both changed votes to Niko extremely late. As neither of your votes were necessary to actually finish him off, would you mind explaining why you wanted to be in on the kill so badly?

I thought about that too Mad but why would the evils want to jump to an innocent at the last second? It makes them an obvious target.

Unless its reverse psychology and they want us to think evils wouldn't do that.

[charlie_stubbs]

I dont want to come off like a sore sport, but if we lose it has been by UD. It's not fair to the townies, and its not fair to the evils, as it has tainted the result IMO. I don't wanna be the guy crying about it if the evils win, but seriously. We are getting more screwed by the innocents than the evils at this point.

[Madcrawdad]

I thought about that too Mad but why would the evils want to jump to an innocent at the last second? It makes them an obvious target.

Unless its reverse psychology and they want us to think evils wouldn't do that.

Yep.

[charlie_stubbs]

Chas/HN, you both changed votes to Niko extremely late. As neither of your votes were necessary to actually finish him off, would you mind explaining why you wanted to be in on the kill so badly?
Its simple Mad. I really did think he would be evil at the end. I want to win or lose as a team, and my vote for HN wasnt reflecting that. Had he been evil, DD and HN would definately hang me to dry for not voting for him. And again, I did start to believe he was evil closer to nightfall.

[Hooked Newbie]

Chas/HN, you both changed votes to Niko extremely late. As neither of your votes were necessary to actually finish him off, would you mind explaining why you wanted to be in on the kill so badly?

Like I said, I didn't want to waste a vote and if he were evil and had team mates on him, they could've come off late to save him. Poor decision on my part, but the late vote onto Coler by him was, as I said, the most suspicious thing I'd seen from him.

I find one thing curious about your vote. Why were you so happy to leave it where it was? Ironically it was where Plant was voting. Was that so that you could appear to be in tune with her so you wouldn't be questioned when you put the hit in on her?

[IceH2O]

Yep.

Okay but Charlie voted for HN again, is this more distancing?

I don't trust DD, her posting and jumping off innocents to other people doesn't sit well.

I'd vote for HN before I will Charlie. Though both of them along with DD could be 3 of the 4 elves. HN mentioned Jpap and he could be the 5th, more distancing?

[Dangerdoll]

I find iodd and suspicious that you are going to carry that out through this day too. That was an error on my part because I had to leave last minute. I explained myself. There is no one I am communicating with in this game. I find it interesting how you keep bringing it up though. Tell me grins, does Charlie seem suspicious to you? If so, why? As a matter of fact, just where do your suspicions lie besides where your friends tell them to?

[Hooked Newbie]

I dont want to come off like a sore sport, but if we lose it has been by UD. It's not fair to the townies, and its not fair to the evils, as it has tainted the result IMO. I don't wanna be the guy crying about it if the evils win, but seriously. We are getting more screwed by the innocents than the evils at this point.

Finally, we can agree on something.

I think there should be some sort of control put into place to penalize UDs... maybe one allowed, 2nd UD results in 3 game suspension or something? I think UDs will ultimately be what kills out the mafia games on this site.

[Dangerdoll]

that post above is in response to Grins.

[Hooked Newbie]

Okay but Charlie voted for HN again, is this more distancing?

I don't trust DD, her posting and jumping off innocents to other people doesn't sit well.

I'd vote for HN before I will Charlie. Though both of them along with DD could be 3 of the 4 elves. HN mentioned Jpap and he could be the 5th, more distancing?

Isn't it interesting that my name didn't apear in your posts until I mentioned you. I'm starting to believe that there's a very strong Evil team and that it includes you and Mad. You seemed to initially say that Jpappy might be a good candidate, but voting him sure brought some out of the woodwork.

[Grins]

Here it's 8:52 AM. Beth has a list
Here Beth suspects the Coler/CL argument could have been a plan.
Here it's 4:19 PM and Beth votes herself. All of a sudden she's not sure of anyone but herself.


Here Beth says she thinks it's better she votes herself rather than someone she has no proof on. Well, is there really ever any proof in these games?
If she's read a lot, then why did she miss when nightfall is?
Due to Beth's illogical posts, I think it's because she has something to hide, perhaps evil pointy ears? I vote to lynch Beth.

I'm considering this Plant's way of speaking to us from the grave. Combined with Beth's odd posting style that has already been discussed I'm moving Beth up from a suspect to top suspect on my list. At this point I have to be suspicious of all but for the sake of clarity and help to other innocents I have concerns about DD (the odd email post leading to thoughts that she is communicating with others and got messy), HN still remains as a suspect but I don't see much recent that gives me reason for that. Either he is very good at being evil or he was just kidding about the keebler thing? Has anyone seen anyone being openly supportive of Beth's actions?

I vote to lynch Beth.

[Dangerdoll]

Lets all fall onto 1 player? Is that what you're saying?

Thats all they need is for 1 more innocent to be lynched then their hit and its game over.

How will we learn anything if we landslide vote someone out?
no, now don'[t tell me you are having amnesia.

Remember 2 maybe 3 games ago when we as a town came up with a couple of our best suspects and did what we needed then. This is how we as a town took the town back. You're shocking me as to making it sound like it's not such a good idea anymore.


Its simple Mad. I really did think he would be evil at the end. I want to win or lose as a team, and my vote for HN wasnt reflecting that. Had he been evil, DD and HN would definately hang me to dry for not voting for him. And again, I did start to believe he was evil closer to nightfall.

Please, don't "assume" I am going to hang you to dry, Charlie. You have hung yourself, my dear.


Okay but Charlie voted for HN again, is this more distancing?

I don't trust DD, her posting and jumping off innocents to other people doesn't sit well.

I'd vote for HN before I will Charlie. Though both of them along with DD could be 3 of the 4 elves. HN mentioned Jpap and he could be the 5th, more distancing?
posting and jumping off innocents?? Ice, I didn't jump off of anyone. I voted Niko 1st night, yes but I have been on Charlie for the entire 2nd day and voted that way. It is very interesting how you seem to be so different all of a sudden.

[gupman]

Ok now beth I have a question.Why was plant hit because she voted to lynch you..and your little evil elfs are protecting you?

[Dangerdoll]

I'm considering this Plant's way of speaking to us from the grave. Combined with Beth's odd posting style that has already been discussed I'm moving Beth up from a suspect to top suspect on my list. At this point I have to be suspicious of all but for the sake of clarity and help to other innocents I have concerns about DD (the odd email post leading to thoughts that she is communicating with others and got messy), HN still remains as a suspect but I don't see much recent that gives me reason for that. Either he is very good at being evil or he was just kidding about the keebler thing? Has anyone seen anyone being openly supportive of Beth's actions?

I vote to lynch Beth.

ummm... Grins... mentioning it again?? come one now, noe you're starting to look obvious. I sure hope Charlie isn't having a roving eye because I am not in the chat area with you.

[Madcrawdad]

Its simple Mad. I really did think he would be evil at the end. I want to win or lose as a team, and my vote for HN wasnt reflecting that. Had he been evil, DD and HN would definately hang me to dry for not voting for him. And again, I did start to believe he was evil closer to nightfall.

It didn't bother you that your arch-enemy #1 suspect Hooked Newbie hopped on Niko? You followed him without hesitation?

[Grins]

I find iodd and suspicious that you are going to carry that out through this day too. That was an error on my part because I had to leave last minute. I explained myself. There is no one I am communicating with in this game. I find it interesting how you keep bringing it up though. Tell me grins, does Charlie seem suspicious to you? If so, why? As a matter of fact, just where do your suspicions lie besides where your friends tell them to?

I find your explanation for the email lacking and as for where my suspicions are I've already stated that and been clear about it when I've posted since the start. How about reading those instead of alluding to relationships that don't exist?

[IceH2O]

Isn't it interesting that my name didn't apear in your posts until I mentioned you. I'm starting to believe that there's a very strong Evil team and that it includes you and Mad. You seemed to initially say that Jpappy might be a good candidate, but voting him sure brought some out of the woodwork.

Still think he is a good candidate.

Your late jump to Niko at night fall is the reason you stick out.As does Charlie.

You both have continually voted one another. Then switch to innocents, you to LG and then Niko and Charlie to LG and Niko. Look how you two follow each other. Only reason I said you over Charlie is because DD is saying Charlie needs to be voted and I'm not trusting DD. Charlie might be evil and the sacrifice to make her look good.

I'm not voting anyone yet. We have several suspects and I'm not going to blindly follow anyone.

[Grins]

ummm... Grins... mentioning it again?? come one now, noe you're starting to look obvious. I sure hope Charlie isn't having a roving eye because I am not in the chat area with you.

Um DD, by your own twisted logic YOU look guilty for mentioning this again. For all I know this is a plan by you and Charlie to take out innocents by looking like you're on opposite teams.

[Hooked Newbie]

Ok now beth I have a question.Why was plant hit because she voted to lynch you..and your little evil elfs are protecting you?

Wow.... that's your only question after all the events since your last post?

[IceH2O]

Charlie might be evil and the sacrifice to make her look good.

should read Though Charlie might be evil and the sacrifice to make her look good.

[Hooked Newbie]

Still think he is a good candidate.

Your late jump to Niko at night fall is the reason you stick out.As does Charlie.

You both have continually voted one another. Then switch to innocents, you to LG and then Niko and Charlie to LG and Niko. Look how you two follow each other. Only reason I said you over Charlie is because DD is saying Charlie needs to be voted and I'm not trusting DD. Charlie might be evil and the sacrifice to make her look good.

I'm not voting anyone yet. We have several suspects and I'm not going to blindly follow anyone.

Ok, I can see that. All I can say is that I've been voting my own mind and been horribly wrong so far. I'm not trusting DD or anyone else at this point. I do believe that the evils have been those leading and that they've been playing a very "clean" game and haven't been on our radars.

I need to pull some posts and crunch some things tomorrow when I can focus more, but I seem to recall something that may have been overlooked and be of some importance. I'm not trying to "keep anything from the town", I just need to find the pertinent posts and validate my concerns before I present it.

[Hooked Newbie]

Charlie might be evil and the sacrifice to make her look good.

should read Though Charlie might be evil and the sacrifice to make her look good.


And you might be manipulating the the town against itself with your theories.

[IceH2O]

no, now don'[t tell me you are having amnesia.

Remember 2 maybe 3 games ago when we as a town came up with a couple of our best suspects and did what we needed then. This is how we as a town took the town back. You're shocking me as to making it sound like it's not such a good idea anymore.



Please, don't "assume" I am going to hang you to dry, Charlie. You have hung yourself, my dear.


posting and jumping off innocents?? Ice, I didn't jump off of anyone. I voted Niko 1st night, yes but I have been on Charlie for the entire 2nd day and voted that way. It is very interesting how you seem to be so different all of a sudden.


We came up with 2 or 3 suspects and split votes among them to see who went where. I don't believe at that time we were down to a possible last night fall.

Theres no room for error, we need to find the best suspect and lynch them.

As for jumping off innocents. I mentioned it earlier too. You were on Niko, as soon as the ball got rolling on him you jumped to Charlie. What about Niko was so suspicious day 1 but not Day 2?

What about Charlie raised your suspicion level so much?

[IceH2O]

And you might be manipulating the the town against itself with your theories.

It would be more evil of me not to put my thoughts out there.

I'm not asking anyone to follow my lead. I'm just asking for thoughts on people.

[Hooked Newbie]

You haven't done anything and thats the point.

You voted for yourself. After making a list of suspects. I understand not feeling strongly on anyone the 1st night but none of us can say we do. You have to take chances and voting yourself is just as safe a vote as voting for someone not in the running to be lynched. You also could have broken the tie. Whats you're thoughts on Clowns status of evil or not?

You haven't drawn out any evils or even built cases, you're just floating along making posts that make no sense really.

You weren't that high on my list just someone to watch but..

How can you say you don't see anything on Niko? I think the evidence is pretty damning. Are you trying to protect Niko?

You've actually made yourself more a suspect in my eyes and I thank you for your response.

After rereading the posts DD also has my attention. The post in which she quotes Mad but goes on a tangent against HN was very strange.

So if anyones keeping notes my suspects are in no order

Niko
Charlie
Coler
Beth
DD


Want to add why is it you throw Colers name out there?

Is it because they told you to for distancing tactics? Because they know Coler is a good player and can deflect suspicion?

Do I have most of the team correct with the Niko,Charlie and Coler aspect to you?

Above post was to Beth. This is curious to me. The "team" you name consisted of Rudolph, an Innocent, and an unknown (suspected evil). Did you include one evil in there or were these actually all innocents listed? And no... I am not in any way defending Charlie by any means, I just want you to answer some questions instead of always asking them. I'm beginning to think you've been playing the pied piper.


It would be more evil of me not to put my thoughts out there.

I'm not asking anyone to follow my lead. I'm just asking for thoughts on people.


Usually true, but if the "thoughts" are directed in order to ellicit the outcome you want it could easily be an evil ploy. You and Mad are both easily good enough to do this and right now I think you may be playing with us.

What do you think once and for all (they're gone, so your opinion on them shouldn't change much) about JM & CL? I am really curious because I think we gained a big hint when JM was forced to bow out and you blew by it.

[Madcrawdad]

HN, in the post below you name Chas and Grins as partners in crime... you make the point that Grins and Niko appear to be on opposite sides.

Ok, I'm back. Hungover big time, but caught up. My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger with everything collated. Grins is making me wonder, not because she named me but because she seems to be "favoring" Charlie. She quoted both apologies, but did not question Charlie's sincerity in the least while she did call doubt to Niko's. She also conveniently quoted a fairly old post of Charlie's (about me) which was actually out of order from the other posts she quoted. Surprise! Charlie followed suit and named me again. Say hi to Grins for me in your chat room Charlie. By all means people, look at me. Question me. Whatever. Also look at those pushing cases and those following them. Like someone said (Ice, I think) it's alot easier to tell the truth and that's what I've done so I'm not worried about it. I think Charlie has something to hide.

Call it whatever you want Charlie...

I retract my vote to lynch Coler and vote to lynch Charlie.

In the post below, you post your list. Charlie/Coler are your strongest suspicions. But, Niko and Grins also appear.
If you're proven evil, absolutely. Not sure now, but I'm not giving her a free pass. She's said a few things that have been odd and her lob to you look's incriminating.



Charlie, Coler, strongest.
Niko, Grins, not sold yet but evilish.

Can you tell me why you hopped on Niko again? It didn't bother you at all that Grins had a vote parked on him?


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In this response to Chas you talk about CL. It looks to me like your assuming that CL was guilty. You say you won't miss him, unless he was a townie... sounds to me like your assuming guilt, right?

You sooo funny. My "insistence he's guilty"? I do believe he is, but did you miss that I retracted my vote for him and placed it onto you? I'm more sure of your guilt. Unless CL was a townie, I won't miss him a bit, but do find these weak attempts to insinuate your own version of things quite comical.

Here you respond to a comment from Chas where he assumed that CL was scum... You seem to confirm Chas' assumption.

Of course, you know for sure one way or another so it's not really an "assumption".


Later, Chas again assumes that CL was evil...

well, at risk of being "linked" to Coler, the majority believes CL was evil methinks.

Now you're saying that you thought CL was innocent....
Maybe I'm in the minority. I agree that he was acting strangely, but based on the count from Rb and my suspicions about Judge, I think he was innocent.

Which is it?

[Madcrawdad]

:mad2::wall:

Crap! Tonight sucked! Maybe I've been reading things all wrong and the evil elves just haven't made many if any mistakes. Maybe it's Mad, Ice, Jpap, DD, Blue, Grins...

I do still think Charlie is guilty, but I thought Coler and Lady G were as well so I'm going to keep an open mind. At this point I can relate to LG last game and would almost invite a lych out of frustration.

Sorry I helped to kill you Niko.

I vote to lynch Jpappy. Not much of a case, but I think we've been led around by the noses and he's been just helpful enough to stay active without raising any suspicions.

There's a good case HN, it's people who haven't done anything evil who might be scum..... BTW, why is Grins on you list of those who haven't made any/many mistakes? I believe Grins was on your most recent suspect list, so she had to have made some mistakes, right? Why you voting JPap instead of Grins?

Nice apology to Niko....you didn't kill him, though. You hopped on after he was already dead.


Like I said, I didn't want to waste a vote and if he were evil and had team mates on him, they could've come off late to save him. Poor decision on my part, but the late vote onto Coler by him was, as I said, the most suspicious thing I'd seen from him.

I find one thing curious about your vote. Why were you so happy to leave it where it was? Ironically it was where Plant was voting. Was that so that you could appear to be in tune with her so you wouldn't be questioned when you put the hit in on her?

How would your vote have been 'wasted' had you stayed on Chas? Niko would still be dead, right? Regarding my vote, would me moving to Niko have been a better thing to do?


Isn't it interesting that my name didn't apear in your posts until I mentioned you. I'm starting to believe that there's a very strong Evil team and that it includes you and Mad. You seemed to initially say that Jpappy might be a good candidate, but voting him sure brought some out of the woodwork.

I might say the same about you....you say that I haven't made any mistakes, yet you tried to link me to both Andi and Plantling's hits. Strange, I haven't heard much from you until I asked about your vote on Niko....

[charlie_stubbs]

It didn't bother you that your arch-enemy #1 suspect Hooked Newbie hopped on Niko? You followed him without hesitation?
Yes Mad, it gave me reason to pause. I thought he might be a disconnected elf, and again I voted Niko because I thought he was evil, near the end.

[Hooked Newbie]

HN, in the post below you name Chas and Grins as partners in crime... you make the point that Grins and Niko appear to be on opposite sides.

You're stating a subtlety here which wasn't there, I did not "make a point that Grins and Niko appeared on opposite sides. I did believe that Grins & Charlie were "in tune", but all I did was make mention that she questioned Niko's apology and did not question Charlie's. With three people involved, there are a myriad of possibilities. Then again you know that and are presenting the one that fits your goal the best I believe.

In the post below, you post your list. Charlie/Coler are your strongest suspicions. But, Niko and Grins also appear.

Yep. Did you read the post? I had Niko and Grins as possibles.

Can you tell me why you hopped on Niko again? It didn't bother you at all that Grins had a vote parked on him?

I didn't want to waste a vote and didn't want his team to be able to sway it last minute. Until the late vote onto Coler, I truthfully wasn't overly concerned by him. Let me know if you need me to post it for a third time.

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In this response to Chas you talk about CL. It looks to me like your assuming that CL was guilty. You say you won't miss him, unless he was a townie... sounds to me like your assuming guilt, right?

Sounds to you...

Here you respond to a comment from Chas where he assumed that CL was scum... You seem to confirm Chas' assumption.

I seem to confirm...

Later, Chas again assumes that CL was evil...


Now you're saying that you thought CL was innocent....

That was some of the material that had / has me convinced on Charlie. Your qualifying words absolve you of any responsibility right? I am starting to second guess myself though. I'm thinking that you and team may be leveraging the way I play against me and the town. Is that why I've not been hit? I've been serving the same purpose that Lady did last game right?

Which is it?

I believe CL was innocent and that JM was guilty with a role. I also believe that you and Ice may be successful with this tactic, unfortunately. I just hope that people can see how hard and deep you two are digging for something that isn't there now that you've finally been questioned. It may be even more telling that the attention came after Jpappy was voted for. We need to find the Grinch. We've lost Rudolph (Doc) and way too many innocents.

[IceH2O]

Post split to answer both parts.




Above post was to Beth. This is curious to me. The "team" you name consisted of Rudolph, an Innocent, and an unknown (suspected evil). Did you include one evil in there or were these actually all innocents listed? And no... I am not in any way defending Charlie by any means, I just want you to answer some questions instead of always asking them. I'm beginning to think you've been playing the pied piper.



Really HN you want to compare posts?

Need I remind you that you had votes on Rudolph on both days? I won't count Day 1s vote since it was early but you started day 2 on him then switched to Charlie while leaving suspicion on Coler. Then the last second switch to Niko.

Lets look at your lists HN:


I fear my initial gut feel was correct. Coler has seemed to be daring folks to vote for him (over-compensating, I think) and I am going to again indulge him. I vote to lynch Coler. Come on, attack me like you did CL.

Vot on Rudolph to start off Day 2


Ok, I'm back. Hungover big time, but caught up. My primary suspects are still Charlie & Coler, but the cases against Niko look stronger with everything collated. Grins is making me wonder, not because she named me but because she seems to be "favoring" Charlie. She quoted both apologies, but did not question Charlie's sincerity in the least while she did call doubt to Niko's. She also conveniently quoted a fairly old post of Charlie's (about me) which was actually out of order from the other posts she quoted. Surprise! Charlie followed suit and named me again. Say hi to Grins for me in your chat room Charlie. By all means people, look at me. Question me. Whatever. Also look at those pushing cases and those following them. Like someone said (Ice, I think) it's alot easier to tell the truth and that's what I've done so I'm not worried about it. I think Charlie has something to hide.

Call it whatever you want Charlie...

I retract my vote to lynch Coler and vote to lynch Charlie.

Heres a nice little list






So, my list so far....

Charlie, Judge, Blue, Lady G, & Ice.

Maybes on Coler and Niko.



Maybe on Coler? But at this point you've voted him, twice. Lady G a known innocent as is Coler and Niko. Judge a possible innocent. Blue and Charlie unknowns.


I would have quoted your prior post, bu it was sufficently nested to frustrate me. I am glad I got off early today.

INNOCENTS, please review post #341.

Lady, I explained what I said, but apparently you skimmed over it. You did manage to quote my response that was posted afterwards and in direct subject matter to it though. Your post only makes me rethink a couple of people since I believe the majority (probably large) of those you suspect and quoted are innocent. You've done nothing to ferret out information and merely restated some cases made by others. As for my timing on Jmax, look at my post. It was large and took some time. It was posted 14 minutes after Rb posted about her and I did not see the post until after I posted mine. But, yes I suspected her evil and combined with the fact that Rb had to adjust roles AND that she briefly used a grinh avatar in the Xmas avatar thread and changed it abruptly to the Ho-ho-ho thing right around game start, I believe she was the Grinch. I think you may have inherited that role and that may be what quieted you down. I think Charlie is on your side as well. You jumping on the nice, easy, newbie voting for herself (no matter how bad a move it is) only strengthens my conviction.

I retract my vote to lynch Charlie (Minion) and vote to lynch Lady G (Grinch?).

Using inheriting the role to lynch LG, even though it was never said any roles were switched.




Ok, nothing elaborate here just something to look back on if I get hit tonight...

Lady G, Charlie, DD, Ice, Jpappy, Blue, CL, Coler... would be my order of questioning / suspicion.

Gotta run for a bit, hope to be back for night.

Again LG Coler innocent, you thought LG was switched with JM but you have CL listed as a possible evil


I'm sorry that I was wrong about you Lady and I'll accept the inevitable blame. Hope RL improves for you.

Overall, tonight sucked! At least Kuhli was evil. King- you have a bad habit of going by way of the UD.

Wow, hit on Andi... I gotta think that makes Ice, Coler, Mad, or My suspects close or them guilty. (I included myself for fairness). I think they're probably fishing for Santa. I wonder what they saw about Andi to waste a shot... will review. Seems that Charlie is once again my best suspect, but I do look forward to hearing from CL since he was so close to the block. Time for thoughts folks, no more secret hunches... we have the numbers, but not by much.

More thoughts on CL being evil. Which is it? JM or CL?


[COLOR=red]I still suspect Charlie strongly. I am voting Coler to see what he has to say about the hit since he was so certain he'd get killed tonight.

Charlies the suspect by lets vote Rudolph?


HN-
You have now linked me to the following players:
JM
LG
Andi
Niko
Grins

Is there anyone I'm not linked to, aside from yourself that is.

So HN has linked Charlie to 3 for sure innocents a possible innocent and Grins an unknown but leaning innocent.


If you're proven evil, absolutely. Not sure now, but I'm not giving her a free pass. She's said a few things that have been odd and her lob to you look's incriminating.



Charlie, Coler, strongest.
Niko, Grins, not sold yet but evilish.

Again all over Rudolph.


Whoa! Good catch Blue. Did DD just pull a mee-mee?!

DD?

Now DD


:mad2::wall:

Crap! Tonight sucked! Maybe I've been reading things all wrong and the evil elves just haven't made many if any mistakes. Maybe it's Mad, Ice, Jpap, DD, Blue, Grins...

I do still think Charlie is guilty, but I thought Coler and Lady G were as well so I'm going to keep an open mind. At this point I can relate to LG last game and would almost invite a lych out of frustration.

Sorry I helped to kill you Niko.

I vote to lynch Jpappy. Not much of a case, but I think we've been led around by the noses and he's been just helpful enough to stay active without raising any suspicions.

Here he names a team of 7 players, votes Jpap who he admits he has no case on.


Wow.... that's your only question after all the events since your last post?

Then he questions Gupman.

So everyone but HN is pretty much evil.

Not really helping much HN.





Usually true, but if the "thoughts" are directed in order to ellicit the outcome you want it could easily be an evil ploy. You and Mad are both easily good enough to do this and right now I think you may be playing with us.

What do you think once and for all (they're gone, so your opinion on them shouldn't change much) about JM & CL? I am really curious because I think we gained a big hint when JM was forced to bow out and you blew by it.


You're actually a better bad guy then I am HN but thanks for trying to give me props.

As for JM or CL.

I have no idea, I'm guessing you'd know who your leader was unless you're one of the detached elves.

CL looked much scummier to me if I had to pick one over the other.

[johnlarson66]

The UD's are going to be the end of the mafia games. While I like the rule, I also know that life happens. I myself have died a UD and almost died a second one.

I posted a list that I think is not even close to anything at this point. Coler really seemed guilty, at no point did I get any type of vibe of him being a PW. Most everyone I have suspected so far have been innocent.

At this point I am most suspicious of charlie and beth. I am not going to do a bunch of quotes, but I think it can be seen where they have defended each other. I even think at least one of them has been called on it. I am fairly sure they are linked.

I am okay with voting for either one.

I vote to lynch bethkira2000

[Hooked Newbie]

There's a good case HN, it's people who haven't done anything evil who might be scum..... BTW, why is Grins on you list of those who haven't made any/many mistakes? I believe Grins was on your most recent suspect list, so she had to have made some mistakes, right? Why you voting JPap instead of Grins?

Because she may have been led along and I don't think she's the Grinch.

Nice apology to Niko....you didn't kill him, though. You hopped on after he was already dead.


How would your vote have been 'wasted' had you stayed on Chas? Niko would still be dead, right? Regarding my vote, would me moving to Niko have been a better thing to do?

I've stated my reasons for that twice already and my original thoughts were posted as well. Do I need to state it again for you?

I might say the same about you....you say that I haven't made any mistakes, yet you tried to link me to both Andi and Plantling's hits. Strange, I haven't heard much from you until I asked about your vote on Niko....

I "linked" you to Andi's hit? I think I need to look back, was your vote on her too? Did you put your vote on BOTH innocents that got hit? Gonna vote me too?

[Hooked Newbie]

Ice & Mad- good job! I fully expect to be the leading vote getter by the time I get up, but I need to get to bed. Hopefully the townies will look back to your cherry picked quotes and look at the true context. If not, I guess I'll start watching for the signup thread.

[IceH2O]

I didn't want to vote this early but lets see what comes of it.

If anything maybe if HN is innocent and just having a run of bad luck it might tip us to the actual evils.

I vote to lynch Hooked Newbie

[IceH2O]

Ice & Mad- good job! I fully expect to be the leading vote getter by the time I get up, but I need to get to bed. Hopefully the townies will look back to your cherry picked quotes and look at the true context. If not, I guess I'll start watching for the signup thread.

Good job?

I didn't write your posts. I didn't make your lists. I didn't place your votes.

You did all that on your own.

[Dangerdoll]

I find your explanation for the email lacking and as for where my suspicions are I've already stated that and been clear about it when I've posted since the start. How about reading those instead of alluding to relationships that don't exist?
LOL good one, Grins. Using the dirty card you just threw is only going to make it show you are more closer to the chat room than anything else. How about you state just what those suspicions on me were from the start. I would prefer post numbers too.


Still think he is a good candidate.

Your late jump to Niko at night fall is the reason you stick out.As does Charlie.

You both have continually voted one another. Then switch to innocents, you to LG and then Niko and Charlie to LG and Niko. Look how you two follow each other. Only reason I said you over Charlie is because DD is saying Charlie needs to be voted and I'm not trusting DD. Charlie might be evil and the sacrifice to make her look good.

I'm not voting anyone yet. We have several suspects and I'm not going to blindly follow anyone.

Ice, I will explain this again. I voted Niko on night one because he seemed most guilty to me and I thought that it was clear from his wordy screw up that he had been busted and was trying to squirm out of it. I was wrong. It was day 1, that's not unheard of.

As time went on, it dawned on me the peculiar way Charlie was portraying himself. No role play, no mention of me. I know I am not the be all for Charlie to talk about, but it is strange that role play wasn't a big part of the posts for Charlie.


Um DD, by your own twisted logic YOU look guilty for mentioning this again. For all I know this is a plan by you and Charlie to take out innocents by looking like you're on opposite teams.

uh-huh.... mention #4. Now I can see the panic. I just hope people take note of it later on in the game. You are clearly being coached.


We came up with 2 or 3 suspects and split votes among them to see who went where. I don't believe at that time we were down to a possible last night fall.

Theres no room for error, we need to find the best suspect and lynch them.

As for jumping off innocents. I mentioned it earlier too. You were on Niko, as soon as the ball got rolling on him you jumped to Charlie. What about Niko was so suspicious day 1 but not Day 2?

What about Charlie raised your suspicion level so much?
I was on Niko, day 1. As soon as the ball got rolling, what? You mean as soon as I started becoming suspicious of Charlie you mean? I never once voted for Niko on day 2. Yes, I still found him suspicious and was wrong but my concentration was on Charlie because I find him very suspicious. I explainrd to you why Niko was suspicious on day one and less on day two. I explained why Charlie raised my suspicion. How many times do you want to hear it, or are you not really looking that hard?

[Dangerdoll]

and actually, it wa game 15 and yes, we were in a better position. However, the plan was good and it worked for us.

[IceH2O]

So DD who do you think we should put up as suspects to vote on then?

So far it looks like HN Jpap and Beth already have votes. That work for you or would you rather see a different group?

[Madcrawdad]

I "linked" you to Andi's hit? I think I need to look back, was your vote on her too? Did you put your vote on BOTH innocents that got hit? Gonna vote me too?

Huh? I voted CL and Beth. You remember CL ... the guy that you slipped up and said was guilty to Charlie. Then you had to backtrack, because it kind of ruined your reason for hopping on Lady G...

[Madcrawdad]

Ice & Mad- good job! I fully expect to be the leading vote getter by the time I get up, but I need to get to bed. Hopefully the townies will look back to your cherry picked quotes and look at the true context. If not, I guess I'll start watching for the signup thread.

Last time I lynched you as scum you accused me of cherry picking, too....

HN, I see you.

[Dangerdoll]

So DD who do you think we should put up as suspects to vote on then?

So far it looks like HN Jpap and Beth already have votes. That work for you or would you rather see a different group?


If I had to list, I would say Charlie, Grins or you.

I have already stated reasons for both Charlie and Grins, and you becuase I have begun to notice a difference in your issues which you call importance. I feel usually, your findings are much more than what you have now and seem to support them with as much passion. I don't like what I see by your posts.

[IceH2O]

If I had to list, I would say Charlie, Grins or you.

I have already stated reasons for both Charlie and Grins, and you becuase I have begun to notice a difference in your issues which you call importance. I feel usually, your findings are much more than what you have now and seem to support them with as much passion. I don't like what I see by your posts.

I actually like the 3 up there now.

HNs try to implicate me let me go back and find all these inconsistencies.

Jpap was the vote that put Niko over the top

Beth has been all over the place, voting for herself even after making a list of suspects. Posts that were hardly comprehendable to posts that are very well written.




Charlie is questionable for his late switch

You are a better suspect then Grins. The copy and paste is enough proof to me that you're communicating. Also the post in which you quoted Mad but answered HN was another of your mistakes. Did you mean to attack Mad or HN in that post? If HN then you should be glad to vote him. If Mad then why was HN on your mind? Was it because you were communicating with HN?

[Dangerdoll]

I am not communicating with anyone. How many times do I have to say that? Just please, remember this after I am hit is all I can say.

[Rbishop]

Bala has been requested to deliver Present "B"......

And it has been delivered.....

[Rbishop]

to lynch...

hook (2) by cs 870 ice 913

jpap (1) by hook 872

beth (2) by grins 890 jl66 910

5 of 11 have voted.....

no votes from beth, blue, DD, jpap, mad, gup

Nightfall at 8 PM EST Monday...

[IceH2O]

Also the post in which you quoted Mad but answered HN was another of your mistakes. Did you mean to attack Mad or HN in that post? If HN then you should be glad to vote him. If Mad then why was HN on your mind? Was it because you were communicating with HN?


DD I'd appreciate an answer to this part of my post.





I'll be leaving soon, its Madden 08 Day and then will be watching the 1st half of the game at my buddies then racing home to watch the 2nd half.

I'll be back on around 3ish I'm guessing.

[IceH2O]

In the above post that I want you to answer, you only need to answer who you meant to be attacking and why you chose them. You can ignore the communicating part of the question.

[charlie_stubbs]

ummm... Grins... mentioning it again?? come one now, noe you're starting to look obvious. I sure hope Charlie isn't having a roving eye because I am not in the chat area with you.

I only have eyes for you, my lovely little lemon drop.


The UD's are going to be the end of the mafia games. While I like the rule, I also know that life happens. I myself have died a UD and almost died a second one.

I posted a list that I think is not even close to anything at this point. Coler really seemed guilty, at no point did I get any type of vibe of him being a PW. Most everyone I have suspected so far have been innocent.

At this point I am most suspicious of charlie and beth. I am not going to do a bunch of quotes, but I think it can be seen where they have defended each other. I even think at least one of them has been called on it. I am fairly sure they are linked.

I am okay with voting for either one.

I vote to lynch bethkira2000
Above I have bolded part of your post. Please show me where it can be seen Beth and I are defending each other??? Which one of us was called on it??? Must have been her, because it surely wasn't me. Posts like this make me wonder about you. Thusfar, the evils are pounding us (no worse than the UD's I might add), I have been trying since day two to open peoples eyes to HN. Have you even mentioned him this game??? We need to kill an elf tonight or we're done.
I remember a time John, when I wondered what UD meant. Now it seems to have become the norm. I don't know how to police this sort of behaviour. I know when I Mod a game, the ones that die repeated UD's will not be welcome to play. (KOTD comes to mind, and now Coler, who's gameplay I once admired)
I actually died a UD once too, I was unable to get home in time to vote because of RL issues. I adjusted my gameplay and began to vote immediately after night from then on, to prevent it from occurring again. I encourage others to do the same.

[Hooked Newbie]

Post split to answer both parts.

Really HN you want to compare posts?

Not really, I've been completely in the dark and am a clueless townie. You I believe, aren't and have teammates to confer with. Like I said, the evils have stayed off all our radars and have led us around. Good game on your parts, poor on mine.

Need I remind you that you had votes on Rudolph on both days? I won't count Day 1s vote since it was early but you started day 2 on him then switched to Charlie while leaving suspicion on Coler. Then the last second switch to Niko.

No, you don't need to remind me of anything. I admit to having played a bad game and missed you guys completely.

Maybe on Coler? But at this point you've voted him, twice. Lady G a known innocent as is Coler and Niko. Judge a possible innocent. Blue and Charlie unknowns.



Using inheriting the role to lynch LG, even though it was never said any roles were switched.

Rb did state that needed adjustments had been made. I was wrong about LG, but I do believe that the role of the Grinch or possibly Blitzen changed hands.

You're actually a better bad guy then I am HN but thanks for trying to give me props.

I doubt it, but thanks. Unfortunately I'm a terrible blind Townie this game.



Comments in red above. I fear I've made the end game easy for you guys. Thanks for the attention after I posted that list.

[Grins]

LOL good one, Grins. Using the dirty card you just threw is only going to make it show you are more closer to the chat room than anything else. How about you state just what those suspicions on me were from the start. I would prefer post numbers too.

uh-huh.... mention #4. Now I can see the panic. I just hope people take note of it later on in the game. You are clearly being coached.

I didn't say that I had suspicions on you right from the start. I said I have listed what my suspicions were all along when it came to townspeople. My suspicion for you didn't start until the email paste. (and hello, I'm only mentioning it again in order to answer your question). In fact, I took what you and Blue were saying about Niko to heart and it factored in for making him a suspect at first. I'd not have done that had I considered you a likely suspect from the start.

And am I in a panic? If so it is because we're losing so many innocents this all could be over tonight. Aren't we all concerned about that? Ask what you wish DD because the sooner I can clear myself the sooner we as a town can find who can't.

For now, I'm off to get my Sunday offline chores done. Anyone want to help with a water change? Bueller? Bueller?

[Dangerdoll]

I'm going to copy and paste the quote of which you're mentioning so it doesn't look confusing to whoever reads it.

DD I'd appreciate an answer to this part of my post.

Originally Posted by IceH2O http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1183043#post1183043)
Also the post in which you quoted Mad but answered HN was another of your mistakes. Did you mean to attack Mad or HN in that post? If HN then you should be glad to vote him. If Mad then why was HN on your mind? Was it because you were communicating with HN?


I'll be leaving soon, its Madden 08 Day and then will be watching the 1st half of the game at my buddies then racing home to watch the 2nd half.

I'll be back on around 3ish I'm guessing.
Originally Posted by Madcrawdad http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1180480#post1180480)
DD, you were more sold on Niko being scum based on the 'investigate me, it's a waste of time' posts, but nothing sold you on CL?
what are you assuming I am missing from CL's posts that would have "sold me"? Apparently, they weren't enough to sell you either as you voted for G... after switching from Charlie, after switching from Coler... when exactly did you think CL was scum enough to vote for him? oh wait... or is it because you never wanted to get a "response" out of him and others, such as the excuse you already used.

I happen to think that Niko is quite sharp.... too sharp to make those posts as he did, they were clearly mis-posts. Do you think it's a good idea to discuss and investigate an innocent if we have a chance to figure out who the elves are? I would find that interesting if you did and would be interested in your reasons why.

in red is what I was picking up from Hooked. Yes, I quoted Mad but the red was my looking into Hooked. As soon as I posted it, I realized it, and that is why I posted the mistake immediately after.

[Dangerdoll]

Actually Ice, when it comes to choosing who to vote for, I am solid on Charlie still, but my next wouldn't so much as be Hooked. I am not as suspicious of him as I am of you.

[charlie_stubbs]

Comments in red above. I fear I've made the end game easy for you guys. Thanks for the attention after I posted that list.
Uh huh. It took awhile, but I think the others are starting to see what I see. This could be the game where despite a record number of UD's, despite the loss of our Doc, we can still turn this around. It has to begin with you. It is my obligation to the town to see to it you hang tonight. Its getting harder for you and your friends to hide, my elven friend.

[charlie_stubbs]

My list:
HN-scumbag
DD-scumbag
Beth- probably scumbag.
Jpap- maybe scumbag

[charlie_stubbs]

The UD's are going to be the end of the mafia games. While I like the rule, I also know that life happens. I myself have died a UD and almost died a second one.

I posted a list that I think is not even close to anything at this point. Coler really seemed guilty, at no point did I get any type of vibe of him being a PW. Most everyone I have suspected so far have been innocent.

At this point I am most suspicious of charlie and beth. I am not going to do a bunch of quotes, but I think it can be seen where they have defended each other. I even think at least one of them has been called on it. I am fairly sure they are linked.
Heres what's troublesome John. I think you mean Grins here. She was "called out" for defending me. We have been "linked" by HN. I don't recall Beth ever defending me, or vice versa. But you would have to have been reading the thread to notice this, not skimming it :nono:
I am okay with voting for either one.

I vote to lynch bethkira2000
my comments above, in red

[Hooked Newbie]

Uh huh. It took awhile, but I think the others are starting to see what I see. This could be the game where despite a record number of UD's, despite the loss of our Doc, we can still turn this around. It has to begin with you. It is my obligation to the town to see to it you hang tonight. Its getting harder for you and your friends to hide, my elven friend.

Go ahead and lynch me, if you're evil you win. If you're innocent, you've been played along with myself. If you are innocent and somehow the town survives after lynching me, start looking at who in this game is good enough and could play the both of us. The only chance will be to nail the Grinch.

[Madcrawdad]

Have some family obligations today, so won't be on until later this evening.

[jpappy789]

Well I have sucked this game but with that being said I really thought coler was at least evil...not the "doc"...but the UD's are really killing us.

So now I have to basically go back to my list and figure out what the heck is going on. At this point I can see these people as evil:

Beth- things have been pointed out
Chas- still a gut feel
Hn- the switch to niko was odd
jl- not so much the lack of posting but overall the lack of imput within the posts
DD- still not comfortanle with the whole emial thing

I will possibly be popping in and out today.

[IceH2O]

Comments in red above. I fear I've made the end game easy for you guys. Thanks for the attention after I posted that list.

Your lists the entire game have been filled with innocents, why should we trust you now?

Of course when you listed me I have to show where you are wrong. Am I supposed to let the town follow you into another mistake? I know you're wrong on me and I'm not letting the town lose because you want to throw the illusion that I'm a better player then you are.


:mad2::wall:

Crap! Tonight sucked! Maybe I've been reading things all wrong and the evil elves just haven't made many if any mistakes. Maybe it's Mad, Ice, Jpap, DD, Blue, Grins...

I do still think Charlie is guilty, but I thought Coler and Lady G were as well so I'm going to keep an open mind. At this point I can relate to LG last game and would almost invite a lych out of frustration.

Sorry I helped to kill you Niko.

I vote to lynch Jpappy. Not much of a case, but I think we've been led around by the noses and he's been just helpful enough to stay active without raising any suspicions.

Your list after night fall includes 7 people, there are only 5 evils. So for sure 2 are wrong. Given how correct you've been this game its more likely possible that more are wrong.

Of your list the only ones that do seem evil to me are DD and maybe Jpap, only for his vote being the kill vote. But you and Charlie jumping to Niko when he was already dead make you two look more likely.

I'm assuming Charlie will jump off you if the votes are close and you can talk some others into voting an innocent up against you.

[IceH2O]

Actually Ice, when it comes to choosing who to vote for, I am solid on Charlie still, but my next wouldn't so much as be Hooked. I am not as suspicious of him as I am of you.

Maybe you should look through the posts again and build cases against both of us and then rethink your allegation.

The only reason you could even come to that conclusion is that HN is on your team.

[charlie_stubbs]

Your lists the entire game have been filled with innocents, why should we trust you now?

Of course when you listed me I have to show where you are wrong. Am I supposed to let the town follow you into another mistake? I know you're wrong on me and I'm not letting the town lose because you want to throw the illusion that I'm a better player then you are.



Your list after night fall includes 7 people, there are only 5 evils. So for sure 2 are wrong. Given how correct you've been this game its more likely possible that more are wrong.

Of your list the only ones that do seem evil to me are DD and maybe Jpap, only for his vote being the kill vote. But you and Charlie jumping to Niko when he was already dead make you two look more likely.

I'm assuming Charlie will jump off you if the votes are close and you can talk some others into voting an innocent up against you.
I wont be changing votes. HN and DD are evils. I am not.

[Dangerdoll]

the thing I am now convinced of because of Ice and Charlie, is that Hooked is innocent.

I vote to lynch Charlie (subject to change to Ice if the town thinks that's better)

[IceH2O]

All I've seen from you DD is your word which means nothing to me.

Show me a case on why Charlie or myself as you put it are for sure evil.

So far your case on Charlie is that he didn't role play with you lol, great case. At least you could have used his voting pattern as I've been looking at. I think you're just trying to distance so if you are lynched people won't look at him any longer.

My case from you has also been non existent. A feeling? That doesn't hold enough water when the fact is that if we lynch an innocent we lose tonight.

Its not my fault you screwed up and pulled a Mee Mee.

My vote stays but if the town feels safer voting you then I'm cool with it also. I'm pretty sure you 2 are evil as Charlie stated. I just think Charlie most likely is too.

Place your votes anywhere you want to, we all know that your team plans on moving them at the last minute to whichever innocent you guys successfully get on the block.

[gupman]

I vote to lynch DD The whole email thing and getting defensive about it.....Sorry My water froze and it's water change day I wen tot the hardware store for heat tape and a GFI have to get water flowin again....

[Dangerdoll]

All I've seen from you DD is your word which means nothing to me.

Show me a case on why Charlie or myself as you put it are for sure evil.

So far your case on Charlie is that he didn't role play with you lol, great case. At least you could have used his voting pattern as I've been looking at. I think you're just trying to distance so if you are lynched people won't look at him any longer.

My case from you has also been non existent. A feeling? That doesn't hold enough water when the fact is that if we lynch an innocent we lose tonight.

Its not my fault you screwed up and pulled a Mee Mee.

My vote stays but if the town feels safer voting you then I'm cool with it also. I'm pretty sure you 2 are evil as Charlie stated. I just think Charlie most likely is too.

Place your votes anywhere you want to, we all know that your team plans on moving them at the last minute to whichever innocent you guys successfully get on the block.

Ice, your talk isn't intimidating me if that's what your intention is. The fact is, I am 98% Charlie is evil and the way you have been posting leads me to believe you are too.

The difference between my screw up and mee-mee's is meem's was evil, I am not. I explained my reasoning "again", as many times as I said as much to Grins, I am saying it again. If you have been reading back so much in the posts, maybe you can try to find that too.

[Dangerdoll]

I vote to lynch DD The whole email thing and getting defensive about it.....Sorry My water froze and it's water change day I wen tot the hardware store for heat tape and a GFI have to get water flowin again....
you are truely showing how newbie you are by not posting so much, therefore not doing anything to help the town to come to any kind of answers and your knee-jerk voting. Unless of course, you are being led.

[Dangerdoll]

and by the way Ice, it's almost obvious how you are trying to justify my voting for Charlie is bad when you probably know he's evil too.

[IceH2O]

Ice, your talk isn't intimidating me if that's what your intention is. The fact is, I am 98% Charlie is evil and the way you have been posting leads me to believe you are too.

The difference between my screw up and mee-mee's is meem's was evil, I am not. I explained my reasoning "again", as many times as I said as much to Grins, I am saying it again. If you have been reading back so much in the posts, maybe you can try to find that too.

I'm sure if I went back to any game with a player that showed evil after death I could pull posts of lies.

The fact that you posted a reason doesn't make it true, the fact that you posted it numerous times doesn't make it true either.

I think you guys are worried that we finally put 2+2 together and you've lost the edge.

[Dangerdoll]

what's funny is how bad your sounding right now.

[IceH2O]

and by the way Ice, it's almost obvious how you are trying to justify my voting for Charlie is bad when you probably know he's evil too.

HUH??

I've stated numerous times I think Charlie is most likely evil.

I just stated I think you will jump off if you guys get an innocent onto the block.

By all accounts it looks like all the people I listed as possible evil have votes on them.

If one of you were brave enough to name an innocent that you were sure wasn't a power role then get one more innocent on them you'd all jump to that person.

[Dangerdoll]

HUH??

I've stated numerous times I think Charlie is most likely evil.

I just stated I think you will jump off if you guys get an innocent onto the block.

By all accounts it looks like all the people I listed as possible evil have votes on them.

If one of you were brave enough to name an innocent that you were sure wasn't a power role then get one more innocent on them you'd all jump to that person.
when have I jumped off last minute yet this game?

[Dangerdoll]

HUH??

I've stated numerous times I think Charlie is most likely evil.

I just stated I think you will jump off if you guys get an innocent onto the block.

By all accounts it looks like all the people I listed as possible evil have votes on them.

If one of you were brave enough to name an innocent that you were sure wasn't a power role then get one more innocent on them you'd all jump to that person.
when have I jumped off last minute yet this game?

and about Charlie, you have stated that with me voting on him, you are finding him less Elfish...

again, if I am hit tonight, I hope the rest of the townies are watching to see where it is they should go. Once they see, they should see who exactly is evil. You guys are doing a terrible job of keeping it under wraps.

[Dangerdoll]

sorry for the double post

[Grins]

Heres what's troublesome John. I think you mean Grins here. She was "called out" for defending me. We have been "linked" by HN. I don't recall Beth ever defending me, or vice versa. But you would have to have been reading the thread to notice this, not skimming it :nono:

I'd sure like to know where I have defended you. Why even infer that I may have? You weren't a primary suspect at first but you certainly haven't been safe as far as I'm concerned either. No one is above reappoach right now, although I think Beth is evil and have cast a vote for her I am not convinced she is the grinch. I think the answer to who the grinch is lays in who has not questioned Beth's odd behavior and posting.

[Grins]

start looking at who in this game is good enough and could play the both of us.

Care to enlighten those of us that may be here for the first time? Who around here has a history of being that clever?

[Grins]

Well I have sucked this game but with that being said I really thought coler was at least evil...not the "doc"...but the UD's are really killing us.



I keep seeing the word "doc" appear lately. Is that what Rudolph's role is because he could have saved one of us? And grrrr why did Coler become a no show with such a role?

[IceH2O]

when have I jumped off last minute yet this game?

and about Charlie, you have stated that with me voting on him, you are finding him less Elfish...

again, if I am hit tonight, I hope the rest of the townies are watching to see where it is they should go. Once they see, they should see who exactly is evil. You guys are doing a terrible job of keeping it under wraps.


You haven't had to, you've had your minions do it. I now think you are the Grinch.

How do you figure that I think Charlie is less elfish with you on him? That totally goes against my last posts thoughts which I quoted below so you don't miss it this time.



HUH??

I've stated numerous times I think Charlie is most likely evil.

I just stated I think you will jump off if you guys get an innocent onto the block.

By all accounts it looks like all the people I listed as possible evil have votes on them.

If one of you were brave enough to name an innocent that you were sure wasn't a power role then get one more innocent on them you'd all jump to that person.

As for being hit, won't happen can't happen. You guys control that aspect. Even if we do lynch an evil tonight you won't be hit.

First you wouldn't waste a hit on an evil .

and if you did

Since I believe now that you are the Grinch you'd be the worst one to hit to prove a point.

[IceH2O]

Hit reply to quickly



I retract my vote on HN and vote to lynch DD

[Hooked Newbie]

Care to enlighten those of us that may be here for the first time? Who around here has a history of being that clever?

Mad and Ice come immediately to mind. Unfortunately with how badly I've played and read things, I have zero credibility and won't even attempt to convince anyone of my suspicions, but I'll put them down for future reference...

Mad, Ice, Blue, Charlie are evil and maybe Jpappy is the Grinch which would explain the double barrel aproach I received last night.

[jpappy789]

I'd sure like to know where I have defended you. Why even infer that I may have? You weren't a primary suspect at first but you certainly haven't been safe as far as I'm concerned either. No one is above reappoach right now, although I think Beth is evil and have cast a vote for her I am not convinced she is the grinch. I think the answer to who the grinch is lays in who has not questioned Beth's odd behavior and posting.

Chas never "infrred" that you defended him in this post...he said you were called out on it grins...read the posts more carefully


I keep seeing the word "doc" appear lately. Is that what Rudolph's role is because he could have saved one of us? And grrrr why did Coler become a no show with such a role?

Yes, in these games the PR which can save someone each night is the "doc" role but for the sake of this game they were rudoplh

[jpappy789]

Mad and Ice come immediately to mind. Unfortunately with how badly I've played and read things, I have zero credibility and won't even attempt to convince anyone of my suspicions, but I'll put them down for future reference...

Mad, Ice, Blue, Charlie are evil and maybe Jpappy is the Grinch which would explain the double barrel aproach I received last night.
the double barrel aproach? how does this make me the grinch???

[Hooked Newbie]

the double barrel aproach? how does this make me the grinch???

Because it happened after I mentioned the possibility and voted for you. Notice I said maybe?

[jpappy789]

Because it happened after I mentioned the possibility and voted for you. Notice I said maybe?
ok...so are you saying that (hypothetically) after you voted for me my "minions" went after you?

[Grins]

Chas never "infrred" that you defended him in this post...he said you were called out on it grins...read the posts more carefully
Yes, in these games the PR which can save someone each night is the "doc" role but for the sake of this game they were rudoplh

Thanks for the info on the doc thing. I do think Charlie inferred it by saying he didn't recall Beth having done so but made no mention of me having not done it. Sincerely, this game is maddening trying to keep up with who said what in 1000+ posts :eek:

[jpappy789]

Grins...Chas said you were the one called out for "defending" him not beth...others did mention that you maybe were conncetted to him because you took his apology and questioned nikos.

[Grins]

Hey...all my still alive townies...is it possible to lynch Bala? I mean lets face reality here of who is really screwing with us and laughing from the shadows.

[jpappy789]

Hey...all my still alive townies...is it possible to lynch Bala? I mean lets face reality here of who is really screwing with us and laughing from the shadows.
rb:lipssealedsmilie:

bala is just an observant...

[Grins]

Grins...Chas said you were the one called out for "defending" him not beth...others did mention that you maybe were conncetted to him because you took his apology and questioned nikos.

Thought I had explained at the time that I didn't accept Niko's because of other factors I thought were there. Factors I was obviously wrong about in retrospect. Thanks for the explanation but I'm still watching you along with everyone else at this point.

[Blueiz]

Even after all the back and forth today, I still think that beth is shooting right under us. Shes to scatter brained and quiet, and she has now proven that she can make intelligible posts.

I vote to lynch beth, subj to change

[jpappy789]

Even after all the back and forth today, I still think that beth is shooting right under us. Shes to scatter brained and quiet, and she has now proven that she can make intelligible posts.

I vote to lynch beth, subj to change
I take it that you think that beth is the grinch than...

IMO I think she is evil yet I do not think she is the grinch but thats JMO...anyways, I am going to make a vote soon just to put one out there. But having trouble deciding who could possibly be the grinch...well I think most people are.

Right now I have Chas, DD, and Hn as top "candidates" yet they all seem to be bickering with one another at some point...making it difficult to figure out who is really telling the truth

[johnlarson66]

Well I have sucked this game but with that being said I really thought coler was at least evil...not the "doc"...but the UD's are really killing us.

So now I have to basically go back to my list and figure out what the heck is going on. At this point I can see these people as evil:

Beth- things have been pointed out
Chas- still a gut feel
Hn- the switch to niko was odd
jl- not so much the lack of posting but overall the lack of imput within the posts
DD- still not comfortanle with the whole emial thing

I will possibly be popping in and out today.

I still am not over the fact that Coler UD'ed and then was Rudolf. I thought for sure he was evil. For the most part I agree with your list, even the parts about me. I have not been as helpful as I can be.

Most of my thoughts have been wrong. I am also highly concerned with all of the newbs this round. I think most of the vets are focused on each other while the newbs are just stirring things up.

I am keeping my vote of beth who is playing better than the average newb. I am also sorta suspicous of both Grins and gupman. The newbs seem more active than newbs in the past.

[Dangerdoll]

You haven't had to, you've had your minions do it. I now think you are the Grinch.

How do you figure that I think Charlie is less elfish with you on him? That totally goes against my last posts thoughts which I quoted below so you don't miss it this time.




As for being hit, won't happen can't happen. You guys control that aspect. Even if we do lynch an evil tonight you won't be hit.

First you wouldn't waste a hit on an evil .

and if you did

Since I believe now that you are the Grinch you'd be the worst one to hit to prove a point.
I haven't had to?? But Ice, you said I did. To even say that you think I am the Grinch in the same sentence only screams it yourself as you look in the mirror.

hmmm.... I'm sorry, you felt there was some kind of hidden agenda or me making Charlie a sacrifice by me claiming as strongly as I have and voting for him 2 nights in a row, I guess that doesn't look too weird. And makes total sense (sarcastic).

so what is all the talk about hitting an evil?? forgetting to complete your sentences there?

that's a pretty bold statement to make and one that is untrue. The so-called case you believe you have doesn't even measure up to that.. At least not the Innocent Ice of games past. Normally, you wouldn't be quite as empty as you are now. Is it because you are the Grinch and are really coming up with nothing? Trying hard to get the town in your pocket to no avail?

So tell me Grinch... did you investigate me last night?

[IceH2O]

I haven't had to?? But Ice, you said I did. To even say that you think I am the Grinch in the same sentence only screams it yourself as you look in the mirror.

hmmm.... I'm sorry, you felt there was some kind of hidden agenda or me making Charlie a sacrifice by me claiming as strongly as I have and voting for him 2 nights in a row, I guess that doesn't look too weird. And makes total sense (sarcastic).

so what is all the talk about hitting an evil?? forgetting to complete your sentences there?

that's a pretty bold statement to make and one that is untrue. The so-called case you believe you have doesn't even measure up to that.. At least not the Innocent Ice of games past. Normally, you wouldn't be quite as empty as you are now. Is it because you are the Grinch and are really coming up with nothing? Trying hard to get the town in your pocket to no avail?

So tell me Grinch... did you investigate me last night?


You didn't do it on a vote. You did it on suspects. I was talking votes at the time.

How do you figure I didn't finish the sentence? You an evil wouldn't waste a hit on an evil period. What else was supposed to be there? Would you like to put words in my mouth?

My case I think is pretty good, maybe not Grinch but it sure does look it to me.

Big deal you were on Charlie 2 nights in a row,its because you had enough votes on the other innocents that you didn't need a vote to be on them. And your 2 nights in a row count this night, not night 1 when you were so sure Niko was evil.

I'm done going back and forth with you. The innocents can look and see who they think to believe. They can either believe the proof or your feelings.

[Hooked Newbie]

You didn't do it on a vote. You did it on suspects. I was talking votes at the time.

How do you figure I didn't finish the sentence? You an evil wouldn't waste a hit on an evil period. What else was supposed to be there? Would you like to put words in my mouth?

My case I think is pretty good, maybe not Grinch but it sure does look it to me.

Big deal you were on Charlie 2 nights in a row,its because you had enough votes on the other innocents that you didn't need a vote to be on them. And your 2 nights in a row count this night, not night 1 when you were so sure Niko was evil.

I'm done going back and forth with you. The innocents can look and see who they think to believe. They can either believe the proof or your feelings.

The "proof" is what's been leading us to lynch our own. And yes, I'm as guilty as any for presenting it, but I thought they were evil. You, I believe, are doing it to further an agenda. If it couldn't cost the game, I'd UD intentionally to show you for what you are.

[IceH2O]

The "proof" is what's been leading us to lynch our own. And yes, I'm as guilty as any for presenting it, but I thought they were evil. You, I believe, are doing it to further an agenda. If it couldn't cost the game, I'd UD intentionally to show you for what you are.

So now we're supposed to lynch a player based on feelings?

How would UDing prove me an evil, that makes no sense at all.

You guys are really in panic mode. I've never seen such ludicrous ideas. You're acting like its night 1 and not possibly the last night of the game.

[Dangerdoll]

I think what Hooked is saying if he UD's we have defibitely lost the game and then your role could be shown...

[Dangerdoll]

and for the record, I see no one panicking

[Hooked Newbie]

So now we're supposed to lynch a player based on feelings?

How would UDing prove me an evil, that makes no sense at all.

You guys are really in panic mode. I've never seen such ludicrous ideas. You're acting like its night 1 and not possibly the last night of the game.

We SHOULD be in panic mode, we're on the cusp of losing.

"You guys" huh? I'll bet YOU GUYS are loving this.

[Hooked Newbie]

So Ice,

Did you tell Mad to calm down and quit posting? Is he the Grinch?

[Dangerdoll]

Okay but Charlie voted for HN again, is this more distancing?

I don't trust DD, her posting and jumping off innocents to other people doesn't sit well.

I'd vote for HN before I will Charlie. Though both of them along with DD could be 3 of the 4 elves. HN mentioned Jpap and he could be the 5th, more distancing?



You didn't do it on a vote. You did it on suspects. I was talking votes at the time.

How do you figure I didn't finish the sentence? You an evil wouldn't waste a hit on an evil period. What else was supposed to be there? Would you like to put words in my mouth?

My case I think is pretty good, maybe not Grinch but it sure does look it to me.

Big deal you were on Charlie 2 nights in a row,its because you had enough votes on the other innocents that you didn't need a vote to be on them. And your 2 nights in a row count this night, not night 1 when you were so sure Niko was evil.

I'm done going back and forth with you. The innocents can look and see who they think to believe. They can either believe the proof or your feelings.
didn't do it on a vote? then why does it say up there or put forth the idea that you are? If that wasn't your intention, then posting and jumping off innocents.... what does that mean? The only ones I have been on this game is Niko which I admit I was wrong about and Charlie. Now I am considering you but I have no intentions on pulling my vote on Charlie unless I had to but my vote has not changed from Charlie.

This part is this below.... what was that bolded thought? (before you try saying I'm doctoring your words, I have bolded it to show which sentence I believe you didn't finish) Is that supposed to be a completed sentence?:
First you wouldn't waste a hit on an evil .

and if you did

Since I believe now that you are the Grinch you'd be the worst one to hit to prove a point.

[Rbishop]

to lynch....

hook (1) by cs 870

jpap (1) by hook 872

beth (3) by grins 890 jl66 910 blue 968

cs (1) by DD 941

DD (2) by gup 943 ice 957

8 of 11 have voted...

no votes from jpap, Mad, and beth....

Nightfall at 8 PM EST tonight, in about 14 1/2 hrs...

[IceH2O]

didn't do it on a vote? then why does it say up there or put forth the idea that you are? If that wasn't your intention, then posting and jumping off innocents.... what does that mean? The only ones I have been on this game is Niko which I admit I was wrong about and Charlie. Now I am considering you but I have no intentions on pulling my vote on Charlie unless I had to but my vote has not changed from Charlie.

This part is this below.... what was that bolded thought? (before you try saying I'm doctoring your words, I have bolded it to show which sentence I believe you didn't finish) Is that supposed to be a completed sentence?:
First you wouldn't waste a hit on an evil .

and if you did

Since I believe now that you are the Grinch you'd be the worst one to hit to prove a point.

Read the post again, at the time I was talking about votes, well the quote you pulled from. For you I've been talking about how you got the ball rolling on niko on Day 1 and then when momentum started rolling and he was being questioned at the end of day 1 and the start of day 2 you felt that your job was done and let us do the rest.


and if you did is just the way I used to separate my 2 comments.

1.You wouldn't waste a hit on an evil

2, Since I believe........


You say you're not panicking, HN says we should be.

I'm still waiting for the most ludicrous move yet, just wondering who you guys plan on using to do it.

[charlie_stubbs]

The recent flurry of posts have me leaning Ice innocent (although he doesn't reciprocate, which is fine)

It doesn't make alot of sense for me to be on a team with HN and DD, I have been pushing to lynch HN and vice versa since the game started. DD has spent the last two days trying to get me lynched. Although I can see the need for unconventional thinking, we are getting shellacked. Keep in mind, if the players (KOTD, COLER) who could have helped us didn't UD, we would not be behind the eight ball

[bethkira2000]

(game off)
before I start back in the game I want to apologize for taking so long I had my father come and visit and he was leaving yesterday. I wanted to spend his last day doing everything we could. Also I will be catching up and posting so please bear with me, I will do my best to post the number in my responses. Thank you for unserstanding and agai I do apologize for not being in the game until now.
(game on)
Now I am going to be catching up and answer post at the same time I will do my best to put post numbers in my responses.

[bethkira2000]

in respnse to Grins in #890 all I ask Grins is that you retract for now, I am going to go throught all the posts and tell you my thoughts, all I ask is you wait until I post to make your vote. If in the End you still think it is me than plaese go ahead and vote for me. I just think we are missing something when the only evil elf we got was by UD.
I thought that Coler was evil, I was so sure by his posts that he was evil, I was wrong.
I wasn't sure about Niko and now he is gone, but was innocent anyway.
I just want to review and see if maybe the posts are similar or there are lues somewhere that we missed.

[bethkira2000]

This is an answer to gupman in #892 I was on her and she was on me but my vote was for Coler who turned out to be innocent, I was wrong I have no idea why she was hit I can tell you for a fact it had nothing to do with me.

[bethkira2000]

this is in response to johnlarson66 #910 where have you been all game, you have few votes you make no cases on anyone yourself, you wait until somone else like Grins in this matter have made a case and then jump on board. How about since you are voting for me you prove it. Show me where charlie and I are linked, I certaintly don't see any connection.

[bethkira2000]

All I can say in response to people thinking I am evil, well the game will be over tonight if I am lynched I know this sounds like HN, but well unfortunately it is true. I have stuck to my votes I have been wrong granted, but I said that Niko was innocent, no one believed me, and looked what happened. That is all I an say now. This is in response to #937.

[Grins]

in respnse to Grins in #890 all I ask Grins is that you retract for now, I am going to go throught all the posts and tell you my thoughts, all I ask is you wait until I post to make your vote. If in the End you still think it is me than plaese go ahead and vote for me. I just think we are missing something when the only evil elf we got was by UD.
I thought that Coler was evil, I was so sure by his posts that he was evil, I was wrong.
I wasn't sure about Niko and now he is gone, but was innocent anyway.
I just want to review and see if maybe the posts are similar or there are lues somewhere that we missed.


Good try Beth, but this only shows how you can make sense when you want to. While I don't believe you're the grinch I do believe you're evil and the vote stands.

[charlie_stubbs]

Beth since your in the mood to answer questions, could you explain to me why you played the first half of the game pretending to be less articulate than you really are???
I equate that to trickery, and I don't see why an innocent would want to trick other innocents???

[bethkira2000]

( game off)
I am stating that I may have to vote early and not be able to change it we are getting nailed by the snow storm and are expected to get a the very least a foot of snow. My power has been flickering, and if I lose it I only have a two hour battery. Sorry.
(game on)

[charlie_stubbs]

All I can say in response to people thinking I am evil, well the game will be over tonight if I am lynched I know this sounds like HN, but well unfortunately it is true. I have stuck to my votes I have been wrong granted, but I said that Niko was innocent, no one believed me, and looked what happened. That is all I an say now. This is in response to #937.
Yes, you did say Niko was innocent. Problem is, the evils know who the innocents are. Of course you knew he was innocent. You're probably a scumbag. But I can't vote for someone that might be a scumbag, I have to vote for someone that is. So I'm voting for HN today. Who are you voting for???

[bethkira2000]

I will answer you charlie #989 I was so excited to play a game with everyone, that I would write without checking what I said, I was also in a hurry to stay in the game that my posts didn't make sense. I also have 4 yr old who loves to destroy things. I wish I had played this way from the beginning. The first day I had no idea how hard thid game was, I thought it would be easy. The second day I realized how hard this game really is and thought I have to be smart to stay alive. And today I am just trying not to lose the game. I hope after tonight there is still a game. If I still haven't answered your question let me know.
The bottom line is, you know when you get excited and your trying to explain something, and your so caught up in what your doing that it sometimes comes out wrong, or not the way you wanted it too. That was my problem, until I realized I had to slow down.

[bethkira2000]

The answer to your other question is I have not made a definite decision yet.
johnlarson66- Where has this person been all game why have they not made ases for people, why have I seen them so few times in this game?
Gupman- Same goes to you why have you not been in this game, you make no cases for people yet still vote. If it is beause your new to this so are Grins and Myself yet we are trying to play.
Blueiz- you have been very active either until it is time to vote why?

[bethkira2000]

I am posting this because well it seemed to jump out at me. This is by IceH20 used in a quote by HN:
A list consisting of these players:
NIko
Charlie
Coler
Beth
and DD
Now I know myself, but Niko and Coler were both innocent I think even though she made that email mistake that DD is innocent, Charlie has still not done anything to make me think that he is evil.
See my point yet? I know Charlie knows his postion and that DD knows her postion so any thoughts?

[Madcrawdad]

the thing I am now convinced of because of Ice and Charlie, is that Hooked is innocent.

DD, you didn't see what was scummy about CL, you posted and said that LG's actions were questionable at best yet you go on in a later post to say that you almost switched votes to her.

Your big case against Niko on Day 1 was that he said he was an innocent, so you should feel free to investigate him. You say that Chas is 'secretly' communicating to you that he is evil (I think you used this in a past game and were wrong). Now you're not picking up evil from HN...please DD, you are scum.


Go ahead and lynch me, if you're evil you win. If you're innocent, you've been played along with myself. If you are innocent and somehow the town survives after lynching me, start looking at who in this game is good enough and could play the both of us. The only chance will be to nail the Grinch.

HN, in previous posts and this one now, you're claiming that you're a clueless townie who has been played. C'mon, you jumped headfirst (and hard) onto everyone you've lynched so don't start the 'I've been played!' It's nonsense. You are scum....

Care to try to explain again why your role PM is different that the rest of the innocent's again? Why did your's say 'elf'.... The only elves even mentioned in the rules were the evil elves. Townies were called innocents... Does anyone else want to claim that their PM said 'Santa-helping elf'?



I still am not over the fact that Coler UD'ed and then was Rudolf. I thought for sure he was evil. For the most part I agree with your list, even the parts about me. I have not been as helpful as I can be.

Most of my thoughts have been wrong. I am also highly concerned with all of the newbs this round. I think most of the vets are focused on each other while the newbs are just stirring things up.

I am keeping my vote of beth who is playing better than the average newb. I am also sorta suspicous of both Grins and gupman. The newbs seem more active than newbs in the past.

JL, you've not been helpful? You've been non-existent. Now you come out and say that Beth is playing better than the average newb? What game have you been playing? (No offense, Beth, I'm sure you'll do better your next game). More active newbs? Don't think so... I think you're scum also, JL.

I vote to lynch Hooked Newbie

[Blueiz]

The answer to your other question is I have not made a definite decision yet.
johnlarson66- Where has this person been all game why have they not made ases for people, why have I seen them so few times in this game?
Gupman- Same goes to you why have you not been in this game, you make no cases for people yet still vote. If it is beause your new to this so are Grins and Myself yet we are trying to play.
Blueiz- you have been very active either until it is time to vote why?

I have posted my thoughts and ideas as I have had them. I dont feel a need to post just to post.. What I have bolded here is you insinuating that I wait til the last minute to vote, as you can go back and see, I have not.

Before you start talking of others not posting much you need to do a better job explaining yourself. I dont buy your story. We all have RL, have a 4 year old myself and am a single mom, however I dont make posts to confuse the town.

[bethkira2000]

easy on the being mean Blueiz, I was just stating my thoughts. And props to you for being a single mom, I have explained myself take it or not.
I don't think you make a very good case for me though, irradic posts don't mean anyone is evil or I could say the same about you.

[johnlarson66]

Beth, why have you not voted yet? There is less than 12 hours left in a 48 hour day cycle. Are you waiting to be told who to vote for? Atleast show us a OMGUS vote.

True, I have not posted a lot nor have I been very active in this game. I like to read and learn from others and I have never been a "weasle kicker". I also will not be able to be a player that spends a lot of time on the thread. This has been used against me in the last 5 or so games. Nice try.

It is pretty appearant that you have "caught on" to the game since day one, good teamates are a big help. I think they should have told you sooner who to vote for. Maybe they are panicing because there on votes on you. I think they will find a way to save you.

[Blueiz]

easy on the being mean Blueiz, I was just stating my thoughts. And props to you for being a single mom, I have explained myself take it or not.
I don't think you make a very good case for me though, irradic posts don't mean anyone is evil or I could say the same about you.


Hmmm... you are the one brought up "irradic" posts, not me. I personally dont care how much you post so long as they make sense and help us find evil. Asking me to go easy on you, why should I? I believe that you are evil and the more you post the more you confirm this for me.

[johnlarson66]

Mad,

You post with also less than 12 hours left, then vote for someone that only has one vote. What a waste.

Going to tell Beth to vote HN also? I guess that would tie thing up.