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Rbishop
11-27-2007, 6:23 PM
Mafia #18 – The Santa Game -- The Play
Game Mechanics
1) Each game day, everyone in the town has to vote to lynch someone. You vote by saying (in bold)… I vote to lynch so and so.
a. You must vote each day, but you cannot vote for No One. If you fail to vote, you will die an untimely death.
b. If you decide to switch your vote, state in bold you are doing so and the new vote. (I retract my vote on XXXX, and vote to lynch XXX)
c. Do not put your vote in your signature.
2) Whoever has the most votes gets lynched. If you have two and everyone else has one vote… you get lynched.
a. The priority of night time happenings is:
Town Lynch
Blitzens Revenge
Grinch's Hit
Untimely Deaths
b. If multiple people have the same number of votes, I will use the random generator to decide which of those gets lynched.
3) If you do not vote daily, then you will pass away from some strange (probably embarrassing) illness that I will give you.
4) Everything stays in the game, no PMing people and setting up deals or alliances, or discussing issues in this game on other sites. The sole exception to this is the authorization by me for special role players to do so.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT AUTHORIZED PEOPLE COMMUNICATE VIA AN OFF SITE MESSAGING BOARD LIKE MSN/AIM/ICQ.
5) You can say whatever you want in the game, but you can't 'prove it' with my PM to you.
7) The Grinch and his elves win, when they outnumber the Innocents.
8) The Innocents win if they lynch the Grinch and all his elves.
9) If you have any questions, PM me. If it's important to all, I'll post it.
10) No one, unless authorized to do so, are to discuss the game outside of the thread. That's kind of the point. If you are discussing things, then everyone else doesn't get the benefit of your deliberations. Think town hall rather than internet chat room.
11) Do not edit your posts!
12) NO AFTER DEATH POSTS!
The players are the Townies in the great City of ACville.
13 of them are Innocents; 7 of them are Evil.
Santa, an Innocent, is on a mission to rid his workshop of the evil elves who are following the Grinch's instructions to disrupt the work needed to get ready for Christmas. Santa can do one investigation per game night to find the evil ones. If they find Rudolph, they can communicate outside the thread. Investigations are required to be sent to me before nightfall occurs.
Rudolph, an Innocent, is out to save the day, and help Santa. They can protect one Townie each game night from the Grinch/Evil Elves hit. They can do nothing about the Townies lynching their own or protecting them self. Once Santa finds Rudolph, they can communicate outside the thread.
Blitzen, an Innocent, is still really upset over that night where Rudolph got to lead the sleigh. He was over looked for the task, pushed aside for a pretty face. He has a lump of coal. His lump of coal, when delivered, will kill an Innocent Townie. If delivered to the Grinch, or an Evil Elf, Blitzen will join the Evil Elves. This lump of coal must be delivered on game night 2 or 3. If Blitzen doesn't tell me who gets it, I will randomly PM a person on line and let them decide who gets it.
Three other Innocents, have 3 presents that can be delivered. Two of the presents double a persons vote for one game night. One of them changes good to evil, or evil to good. These three Innocents can communicate outside the thread. When they decide to send the presents, they must say to who they want it delivered, at the start of the new game day; all three must let me know the chosen. The person chosen will be PM'd by me, they get to decide to open it or not, that game night. Otherwise, it is no good.
The Grinch. Completely rotten to the core. He was about to be adpoted at the local church, years ago, then that fat ole' St Nick guy just had to give a wink at the prospective parents! He has 6 Evil Elfs working for him, to rid the world of this "cheeriness" forever! He can communicate outside the thread with 4 of them. The other two want the Grinch to kill Santa, but their way is to put lead based paints on the toys. The Grinch gets 3 investigations, one each, night 2,3 &4. The Grinch/Evil Elfs get a hit each night.
If for any reason you need to leave the game, please PM me, do not post it in the thread. IF YOU POST THAT YOU QUIT YOU DIE AS SOON AS I SEE THE POST. NO EXCEPTIONS. YOUR ROLE WILL BE REVEALED. I don't care if you recant the quit you will still die.
"In the game you will get accused, grilled, made to look like an idiot, and a hundred other things. IN THE GAME. Do not take anything personally or make ANY personal attacks."
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:26 PM
Why is it closed?
Rbishop
11-27-2007, 7:27 PM
21 players as per the sign up thread...
Game On....
Nightfall for Day One is 8 PM EST Thursday, 11/29
Rbishop
11-27-2007, 7:27 PM
Bala thinks Hooked is whacko....
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:28 PM
13 of them are Innocents; 7 of them are Evil.
So, wehre did number 21 fall?
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:29 PM
Bala thinks Hooked is whacko....
Bala could be right, Hooked is sleep deprived and has been up for 40 hours.
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 7:31 PM
Why in the world have you been up for 40 hours??? Turning masocistic like Bob??
judgemax
11-27-2007, 7:31 PM
I vote to lynch hooked, ..God, I feel so much better for saying that! now, ..lets play!
Rbishop
11-27-2007, 7:31 PM
13 of them are Innocents; 7 of them are Evil.
So, wehre did number 21 fall?
I could not decide which side Blitzen is on......:grinyes:, honest, would I ever lie...?
right...mafia...scary...werewolvs...worrying and hard to house train...vampires...frankly terrifying...zombies...drool and brains everywhere...wierd scientist thing...all to0 close to real life...but Grinch and a few elves...hah !
I dare you not to hit me - but you don't have the nerve do you...you creepy little fairys.
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:32 PM
Why in the world have you been up for 40 hours??? Turning masocistic like Bob??
Work. The bad side of being on call 24 x 7 and dealing with 911.
why is blitzen innocent if his lump of coal will either kill an innocent townie or turn him into a fairy ??
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:33 PM
I vote to lynch hooked, ..God, I feel so much better for saying that! now, ..lets play!
So should I vote for you now? I could put it in bold so everyone sees it...
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:34 PM
right...mafia...scary...werewolvs...worrying and hard to house train...vampires...frankly terrifying...zombies...drool and brains everywhere...wierd scientist thing...all to0 close to real life...but Grinch and a few elves...hah !
I dare you not to hit me - but you don't have the nerve do you...you creepy little fairys.
I vote to lynch Coler.
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 7:34 PM
why is blitzen innocent if his lump of coal will either kill an innocent townie or turn him into a fairy ??
Just to drive you nuts... :lipssealedsmilie:
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 7:36 PM
Work. The bad side of being on call 24 x 7 and dealing with 911.
Thats the good thing about my job.. I work a basic 8 to 5 with some overtime during crunch periods... That happens twice or three times a year.
Players so far:
judgemax
IceH2O
Hooked Newbie
Blueiz
johnlarson66
plantling
andi872
Madcrawdad
Dangerdoll
clown-lover
Grins
KingOfTheDeep
gupman
atnixon
Lady G
Coler
charlie_stubbs
bethkira2000
sploke
jpappy789
That makes it an even 20...will call it there.....no word from Z, so I will start this game.
You should see PM's in the next 90 minutes.....
If any one prefers not to get PMs, you can send me your e-mail address and I will e-mail you your role....
rbishop1@nc.rr.ocm
plus kuhliloach and those are the players
I vote to lynch Coler.
this time my hookie buddy, you are in the wrong of it.
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:39 PM
this time my hookie buddy, you are in the wrong of it.
If you say so... you chose to use the word "fairy" and you;d know if you got the right PM that the PC term is "Elf". I'm going to my tree to bake some friggin cookies now.
IceH2O
11-27-2007, 7:40 PM
Wow you guys posted quick.
We you all refreshing the page every other second?
Dangerdoll
11-27-2007, 7:40 PM
this one looks like fun!
CL, I'm with you except, working through lunch is considered the crunch. I dare not stay later than I need to.
Dangerdoll
11-27-2007, 7:41 PM
wow Hooked, all hole up in a tree and everything, huh
*sigh*
I always thought when people too the trouble to quote you they would actually read the quote. oh well.
this k was missing from my last post...insert as necessary
k
::Grins stumbles around the road to the North Pole looking for a sign with a clue::
Hooked Newbie
11-27-2007, 7:43 PM
wow Hooked, all hole up in a tree and everything, huh
Yep, Keebler owns my tail.
Sploke
11-27-2007, 7:44 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaand coler out to an early lead...and i would expect nothing less :P
Dangerdoll
11-27-2007, 7:44 PM
yikes, that was an early skimming, if I do say so myself!
Dangerdoll
11-27-2007, 7:46 PM
my last post was in response to #23
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 7:49 PM
::Grins stumbles around the road to the North Pole looking for a sign with a clue::
No confused newbie posts is a start.. second clue.. read a previous game thats the best clue I could sell you.. The rest unfortunately you will learn the hard way...
see all you nice people tomorrow...HN...those fairy leggings don't suit ya :D
andi872
11-27-2007, 7:52 PM
Yall are all on the nauty list ATM
IceH2O
11-27-2007, 8:19 PM
21 ppl playing and everythings this quiet?
Make some noise.
Snowball fight !!!!
Madcrawdad
11-27-2007, 8:26 PM
seasons greetings to all....let's lynch some scum
plantling
11-27-2007, 8:37 PM
There are a few different twists to this game. Should be interesting. It's time to see who's been naughty or nice. Let's lynch the Grinch and all his elves!
Rbishop
11-27-2007, 8:45 PM
Bala is taking notes on the most recent "Naughty or Nice" printout from his new color laser printer. Despite the small font, it is several pages long. He woders how well the Townies will be able to tell naughty, from nice, this round...? Or will the nice, actually be naughty?
In either case, in spirit, Bala is on the way to the bar with Donner.
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 8:46 PM
Much agreed plantling.. Just don't tick Niko off this time..:lipssealedsmilie:
Oooh is Niko on the naughty list?
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 8:52 PM
21 ppl playing and everythings this quiet?
Make some noise.
Snowball fight !!!!
Ok - Tag your it!!!
Dangerdoll
11-27-2007, 8:59 PM
careful guys...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rmc/lowres/rmcn87l.jpg
plantling
11-27-2007, 8:59 PM
Much agreed plantling.. Just don't tick Niko off this time..:lipssealedsmilie:
LOL, I guess all you evil Vamps had a field day over that, huh? :silly:
Although I do agree with Coler that Blitzen's description doesn't sound like an innocent's. He either kills an innocent or turns himself evil, so the role isn't really like that of the hunter (vigilante).
IceH2O
11-27-2007, 9:00 PM
Right back at ya Clown
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/IceH2Oinmyveins/snowball.jpg
Ow that had to hurt!
Dangerdoll
11-27-2007, 9:02 PM
http://wallyandosborne.com/comics/2005-08-15.gif
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 9:06 PM
LOL, I guess all you evil Vamps had a field day over that, huh? :silly:
Although I do agree with Coler that Blitzen's description doesn't sound like an innocent's. He either kills an innocent or turns himself evil, so the role isn't really like that of the hunter (vigilante).
Yeah we didn't even plan it.. :D And honestly I was sitting in my chair going OH SNAP...
Blitzen is a concern for me as well but I am not sure what to make of it.. Its almost like we have to sacrifice one of us in order for them to not become more powerful.. I'd almost classify the roll as a renegade. I mean do we search for this character and take him out? But then we technically loose a townie.. But if we don't take him out we allow the elves to increase their evil prescence..
IceH2O
11-27-2007, 9:07 PM
LOL, I guess all you evil Vamps had a field day over that, huh? :silly:
Although I do agree with Coler that Blitzen's description doesn't sound like an innocent's. He either kills an innocent or turns himself evil, so the role isn't really like that of the hunter (vigilante).
Yeah theres no way that Blitzen is an innocent.
Except maybe in number terms.
He is listed as an innocent on the rules. But do we really want to keep around someone thats either going to kill one of us or switch sides giving numbers to the evil elves?
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 9:09 PM
Right back at ya Clown
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/IceH2Oinmyveins/snowball.jpg
Ow that had to hurt!
Man you found a Calvin.. He used to be my hero.. And is a reason why I never had kids!!! LOL
I can only hope that the guilt Blitzen must feel will cause them to stand up and confess ala' a Perry Mason courtroom scene.
plantling
11-27-2007, 9:19 PM
35677
IceH2O
11-27-2007, 9:19 PM
Man you found a Calvin.. He used to be my hero.. And is a reason why I never had kids!!! LOL
Kids are great, gives you a reason to watch cartoons and buy presents for them that you can play with.
Talking my wife into getting my 5 yr old some of those Air Hog copters.
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 9:26 PM
Kids are great, gives you a reason to watch cartoons and buy presents for them that you can play with.
Talking my wife into getting my 5 yr old some of those Air Hog copters.
I have a great time with my nephews, nieces, great nephews and nieces.. I fill them full of sugar, shake them up and send them back home to my brothers and sisters.. :headbang2:
IceH2O
11-27-2007, 9:26 PM
I have a great time with my nephews, nieces, great nephews and nieces.. I fill them full of sugar, shake them up and send them back home to my brothers and sisters.. :headbang2:
LMAO, energy drinks!
plantling
11-27-2007, 9:28 PM
Yeah we didn't even plan it.. :D And honestly I was sitting in my chair going OH SNAP...
Blitzen is a concern for me as well but I am not sure what to make of it.. Its almost like we have to sacrifice one of us in order for them to not become more powerful.. I'd almost classify the roll as a renegade. I mean do we search for this character and take him out? But then we technically loose a townie.. But if we don't take him out we allow the elves to increase their evil prescence..
Yeah theres no way that Blitzen is an innocent.
Except maybe in number terms.
He is listed as an innocent on the rules. But do we really want to keep around someone thats either going to kill one of us or switch sides giving numbers to the evil elves?
The town doesn't benefit from Blitzen's actions, but I'd say the lesser of two evils is if Blitzen took out an innocent. That way Blitzen remains innocent instead of joining the evils. I think it all depends on what Blitzen really wants and also if he guesses correctly about who he sends the lump of coal to.
Madcrawdad
11-27-2007, 9:32 PM
Yeah we didn't even plan it.. :D And honestly I was sitting in my chair going OH SNAP...
Blitzen is a concern for me as well but I am not sure what to make of it.. Its almost like we have to sacrifice one of us in order for them to not become more powerful.. I'd almost classify the roll as a renegade. I mean do we search for this character and take him out? But then we technically loose a townie.. But if we don't take him out we allow the elves to increase their evil prescence..
Yeah theres no way that Blitzen is an innocent.
Except maybe in number terms.
He is listed as an innocent on the rules. But do we really want to keep around someone thats either going to kill one of us or switch sides giving numbers to the evil elves?
Blitzen is a guaranteed innocent until night 2 or 3, when they have to deliver their lump of coal which will either kill an innocent or cause Blitzen to become scum...
Blitzen will likely be playing it straight townie, at least for the first 2-3 days, as it doesn't make sense for them to do otherwise. With that fact in mind, are you guys (Ice & CL) suggesting we lynch the least scummiest people on days 1 and 2? How else would you propose we intentionally lynch Blitzen (short of them being discovered by Santa, and Santa revealing themself to the town)?
plantling
11-27-2007, 9:32 PM
Kids are great, gives you a reason to watch cartoons and buy presents for them that you can play with.
Talking my wife into getting my 5 yr old some of those Air Hog copters.
LOL, my husband bought our 5 yr old a Wii for Christmas. He had already bought it before telling me, then he says I can play all the Zelda games I want on it. I wonder what he'll be playing on it?
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 9:32 PM
The town doesn't benefit from Blitzen's actions, but I'd say the lesser of two evils is if Blitzen took out an innocent. That way Blitzen remains innocent instead of joining the evils. I think it all depends on what Blitzen really wants and also if he guesses correctly about who he sends the lump of coal to.
I'm not sure if there is a lesser of two evils to this roll.. But I can say I don't want the Grinch to gain another minion..
charlie_stubbs
11-27-2007, 9:34 PM
http://gaslight.mtroyal.ab.ca/images/FILL.gifThe door of Ogre's counting-house was open, that he might keep his eye upon his clerk, Charlie Cratchit who, in a dismal little cell beyond, a sort of tank, was copying letters. Ogre had a very small fire, but the clerk's fire was so very much smaller that it looked like one coal. But he couldn't replenish it, for Ogre kept the coal-box in his own room; and so surely as the clerk came in with the shovel the master predicted that it would be necessary for them to part. Wherefore the clerk put on his white comforter, and tried to warm himself at the candle; in which effort, not being a man of a strong imagination, he failed.
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 9:37 PM
Blitzen is a guaranteed innocent until night 2 or 3, when they have to deliver their lump of coal which will either kill an innocent or cause Blitzen to become scum...
Blitzen will likely be playing it straight townie, at least for the first 2-3 days, as it doesn't make sense for them to do otherwise. With that fact in mind, are you guys (Ice & CL) suggesting we lynch the least scummiest people on days 1 and 2? How else would you propose we intentionally lynch Blitzen (short of them being discovered by Santa, and Santa revealing themself to the town)?
Honestly I am not even sure what to do about this roll.. And like I just told plant I'm not sure if there is a lesser of two evils to the roll either and like she said it really is going to depend on what the person who received this roll wants out of the game.. I don't think there is a way to find this person and ultimately will have to let them decide as I don't want to purposely lynch an innocent.
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 9:38 PM
to add to that.. But how can we stop the Grinch from getting another minion?? And no I don't want Santa to come out either.. That would be way worse.
charlie_stubbs
11-27-2007, 9:44 PM
If you say so... you chose to use the word "fairy" and you;d know if you got the right PM that the PC term is "Elf". I'm going to my tree to bake some friggin cookies now.
Yep, Keebler owns my tail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, are you stating you got a PM that said you're an elf, not a fairy???
Madcrawdad
11-27-2007, 9:47 PM
Honestly I am not even sure what to do about this roll.. And like I just told plant I'm not sure if there is a lesser of two evils to the roll either and like she said it really is going to depend on what the person who received this roll wants out of the game.. I don't think there is a way to find this person and ultimately will have to let them decide as I don't want to purposely lynch an innocent.
Here are my thoughts....
After day 3, we will know Blitzen's status (townie or scum) for sure:
- If a townie turns up dead from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen remains an innocent.
- If no dead townie from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen has gone to the dark side.
Either way, we'll know their status. A pre-emptive strike really doesn't make sense IMO, as we'll be looking for a townie at this point.... Makes more sense to look for scum, and let Blitzen worry about Blitzen for the time being.
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 9:52 PM
Here are my thoughts....
After day 3, we will know Blitzen's status (townie or scum) for sure:
- If a townie turns up dead from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen remains an innocent.
- If no dead townie from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen has gone to the dark side.
Either way, we'll know their status. A pre-emptive strike really doesn't make sense IMO, as we'll be looking for a townie at this point.... Makes more sense to look for scum, and let Blitzen worry about Blitzen for the time being.
I would have to agree with the above statements for one simple reason.. According to the rules there will be "two" hits a nite.. One by the Grinch and one by the Evil Elves.. And then with this whole presents and blitzen thing I think its just best to try to find those little Christmas wreakers and string them up by their ears.
Madcrawdad
11-27-2007, 9:55 PM
I would have to agree with the above statements for one simple reason.. According to the rules there will be "two" hits a nite.. One by the Grinch and one by the Evil Elves.. And then with this whole presents and blitzen thing I think its just best to try to find those little Christmas wreakers and string them up by their ears.
I could be wrong, but I think there's only one hit per night...
judgemax
11-27-2007, 9:56 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, are you stating you got a PM that said you're an elf, not a fairy???
I had to read his post twice myself, looking for an answer here HN...
KingOfTheDeep
11-27-2007, 10:01 PM
my god..i have a lot of readong to do..
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 10:02 PM
I could be wrong, but I think there's only one hit per night...
No I believe you are right and I was wrong.. my brain put an "per" between each and night..
charlie_stubbs
11-27-2007, 10:02 PM
Yeah we didn't even plan it.. :D And honestly I was sitting in my chair going OH SNAP...
Blitzen is a concern for me as well but I am not sure what to make of it.. Its almost like we have to sacrifice one of us in order for them to not become more powerful.. I'd almost classify the roll as a renegade. I mean do we search for this character and take him out? But then we technically loose a townie.. But if we don't take him out we allow the elves to increase their evil prescence..
I'm not sure if there is a lesser of two evils to this roll.. But I can say I don't want the Grinch to gain another minion..
Honestly I am not even sure what to do about this roll.. And like I just told plant I'm not sure if there is a lesser of two evils to the roll either and like she said it really is going to depend on what the person who received this roll wants out of the game.. I don't think there is a way to find this person and ultimately will have to let them decide as I don't want to purposely lynch an innocent.
to add to that.. But how can we stop the Grinch from getting another minion?? And no I don't want Santa to come out either.. That would be way worse.
Well, the game is about 60 posts old and here are a half dozen posts trying to subtly reinforce the idea that you are innocent. Why didn't you just post "Darn innocent again" and save me the trouble of pulling all those posts. Bah Humbug I say.
I vote to lynch Clown Lover
clown-lover
11-27-2007, 10:06 PM
Well, the game is about 60 posts old and here are a half dozen posts trying to subtly reinforce the idea that you are innocent. Why didn't you just post "Darn innocent again" and save me the trouble of pulling all those posts. Bah Humbug I say.
I vote to lynch Clown Lover
Careful Charlie you might become the next LadyG with that kind of logic... :rofl:
johnlarson66
11-27-2007, 10:18 PM
LOL, my husband bought our 5 yr old a Wii for Christmas. He had already bought it before telling me, then he says I can play all the Zelda games I want on it. I wonder what he'll be playing on it?
When I was 5 my dad bought me a train set. A really nice one with lots of different things. It might have been a couple of sets.
I was never allowed to touch it.
I vote to lynch plantling
Two reasons, one for reminding me of a time that has me emotionally scarred and two for posting the cute child pictures.
kuhliloach
11-27-2007, 10:50 PM
my god..i have a lot of readong to do..
if you mean to catch up in the game same here!
KingOfTheDeep
11-28-2007, 1:09 AM
if you mean to catch up in the game same here!
reading*** -_-
Lady G
11-28-2007, 2:23 AM
Careful Charlie you might become the next LadyG with that kind of logic... :rofl:
When I was 5 my dad bought me a train set. A really nice one with lots of different things. It might have been a couple of sets.
I was never allowed to touch it.
I vote to lynch plantling
Two reasons, one for reminding me of a time that has me emotionally scarred and two for posting the cute child pictures.
Here are my two possible firsts!!! One CL, for being so mean..I knew down deep he was guilty but soooo wanted him on my side I just kept telling myself NOOOO he's good, and Plant...because she added such cute pics I think it was a diversion!!!
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 3:53 AM
Yall are all on the nauty list ATM
Thats a little harsh aint it??? Sheesh.. :lipssealedsmilie:
Much agreed plantling.. Just don't tick Niko off this time..:lipssealedsmilie:
I agree...I love gunning for the scum and villans who are out to wreck our lovely christmas festivities..look out !!!!
Oooh is Niko on the naughty list?
I am always am...and i had not even posted before this, and am on the list already...dang...talk about labeling someone...lol
Blueiz
11-28-2007, 5:38 AM
I have a lot of catching up to do, will be back after work this afternoon..
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 5:39 AM
Blitzen is a guaranteed innocent until night 2 or 3, when they have to deliver their lump of coal which will either kill an innocent or cause Blitzen to become scum...
Blitzen will likely be playing it straight townie, at least for the first 2-3 days, as it doesn't make sense for them to do otherwise. With that fact in mind, are you guys (Ice & CL) suggesting we lynch the least scummiest people on days 1 and 2? How else would you propose we intentionally lynch Blitzen (short of them being discovered by Santa, and Santa revealing themself to the town)?
When I saw that CL had actually put that idea out there I thought it would be a good way to out some elves by seconding the idea. Either CL would push it or his elven partners (if he is one) would try to back him up since they've gotten someone else to agree.
But people are to quick to jump on everything and anything in these games so little traps end up being tripped without any answers.
I never thought of how to find or kill Blitzen as it wasn't part of the plan to begin with. I was looking for elves, not ways to kill reindeer.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 5:45 AM
Since I can't edit:
It wasn't Clown who started it. It was actually Coler and Plant that brought up the innocence or lack of for Blitzen. So replace Clown with Coler/Plant.
Clown was put into my head because he posted above me about the same thing.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 6:10 AM
Catching up and reading the thread while drinking my coffee I see that Clown has in fact gone full force on this idea with numerous posts.
I could see mentioning it and watching as I did but to go out and mention it that many times as to push the idea has me watching him a bit closer. I guess the trap might have snagged one at least.
Hopefully that 1 leads to others.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 6:15 AM
Also wanted to remind the noobs that when you place a vote to explain why you're voting that way.
Just placing a vote with no reasoning is an evil tactic thats sure to get you looked at and lynched if it happens enough.
charlie_stubbs
11-28-2007, 6:25 AM
Bala could be right, Hooked is sleep deprived and has been up for 40 hours.
How fortunate for us. It is my theory sleep deprivation caused you to make the following mistakes:
If you say so... you chose to use the word "fairy" and you;d know if you got the right PM that the PC term is "Elf". I'm going to my tree to bake some friggin cookies now.
Here you tell Coler what his PM should have said if he were evil. I literally had to read it 10 times. You then say you're off to your tree to bake cookies, implying you are a Keebler "Elf".
I vote to lynch Coler.
You vote to lynch Coler, immediately after he dared the "fairies" to hit him.
Yep, Keebler owns my tail.
They do??? Are you admitting to guilt here??? Do you feel so terrible for what you did last game you are giving yourself up??? Or, in your sleep deprived state did you think that PM you got that said "Elf" meant you were innocent??? Either way Keebler doesn't own your tail anymore, I do.
I retract my vote for CL, and vote to lynch HN
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 6:30 AM
As far as this Blitzen thing we need all the townies to win, and if my understanding is correct we shouls either start for the evil elves or try to lure out Blitzen
charlie_stubbs
11-28-2007, 6:34 AM
As far as this Blitzen thing we need all the townies to win, and if my understanding is correct we shouls either start for the evil elves or try to lure out Blitzen
Say what???
Since I can't edit:
It wasn't Clown who started it. It was actually Coler and Plant that brought up the innocence or lack of for Blitzen. So replace Clown with Coler/Plant.
Clown was put into my head because he posted above me about the same thing.
hmmm...check my post...I simply queried how Blitzen counts as an innocent character where his ultimate influence must help the Grinch, unless he is willing to stay native, should he cross over to the dark side.
I would be more inclined to focus on locating evil elfs...who will have an evil from the get go agenda.
At this point I find the detailed discussion of whether or not people should lynch Blitzen asap a little scummy - based on previous games people who get centrally involved in such issues are often bad guys. It is a distraction tactic...also a way to separate yourself from other bad guys on non-central issues...also an easily plotted co-ordinated approach to posting early on, before they can focus on an innocent who may have posted loosely (often some unfortunate newbie).
I would also like HN to explain his vote for me because if it isn't a joke vote its dodgy.
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 6:38 AM
Say what???
WHAT
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 6:38 AM
But people are to quick to jump on everything and anything in these games so little traps end up being tripped without any answers.
I never thought of how to find or kill Blitzen as it wasn't part of the plan to begin with. I was looking for elves, not ways to kill reindeer.
Well, saying (or agreeing with) something that might be perceived as anti-town is a good way to get jumped on, whether a trap or not... especially on Day 1
As far as this Blitzen thing we need all the townies to win, and if my understanding is correct we shouls either start for the evil elves or try to lure out Blitzen
Interesting idea.... what are some of your thoughts on luring Blitzen out?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 6:42 AM
I dont feel that too much time should be taken to concentrate on the Blitzen, its only one person..There are plenty of other scum to hunt out aswell..So, i dont feel all the concentration show be focused on that person..
I have a great time with my nephews, nieces, great nephews and nieces.. I fill them full of sugar, shake them up and send them back home to my brothers and sisters.. :headbang2:
OK, that sounds very evil. A hint?
Also wanted to remind the noobs that when you place a vote to explain why you're voting that way.
Just placing a vote with no reasoning is an evil tactic thats sure to get you looked at and lynched if it happens enough.
So noted thanks. Have any other helpful hints like um.. who is evil around here?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 7:02 AM
So noted thanks. Have any other helpful hints like um.. who is evil around here?
The best hint i can give you right now is just to tell us your evil, so we can bump you off and have one less evil person in the town :)
charlie_stubbs
11-28-2007, 7:05 AM
Well, saying (or agreeing with) something that might be perceived as anti-town is a good way to get jumped on, whether a trap or not... especially on Day 1
Interesting idea.... what are some of your thoughts on luring Blitzen out?
Don't kids usually leave carrots for the reindeer??? Don't take the milk and cookies Santa. It's a trap.
charlie_stubbs
11-28-2007, 7:10 AM
So noted thanks. Have any other helpful hints like um.. who is evil around here?
I'll give you the advice that was given to me.
People who make suspicious posts make good suspects, because they look suspicious.
People who don't look suspicious make good suspects, because they don't look suspicious.
I hope this helped.
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 7:10 AM
At this point I find the detailed discussion of whether or not people should lynch Blitzen asap a little scummy - based on previous games people who get centrally involved in such issues are often bad guys. It is a distraction tactic...also a way to separate yourself from other bad guys on non-central issues...also an easily plotted co-ordinated approach to posting early on, before they can focus on an innocent who may have posted loosely (often some unfortunate newbie).
I would disagree. The idea was proposed that we lynch an innocent early, in hopes of preventing them from becoming scum down the road...some may consider that anti-town. IMO that merits discussion, especially on Day 1 when there's not much else to go on at this point.
I find it interesting that you're not interested....
plantling
11-28-2007, 7:30 AM
When I was 5 my dad bought me a train set. A really nice one with lots of different things. It might have been a couple of sets.
I was never allowed to touch it.
I vote to lynch plantling
Two reasons, one for reminding me of a time that has me emotionally scarred and two for posting the cute child pictures.
I'm really sorry for you being emotionally scarred but rest assured my 5 yo son already owns and operates his own decked out modded xbox. He's a couple levels from beating a SpongeBob game and can race on BurnOut3 better than my sister can. He will be playing the Wii, my point was that my hubby prolly will, too. Boys will be boys.
Here are my two possible firsts!!! One CL, for being so mean..I knew down deep he was guilty but soooo wanted him on my side I just kept telling myself NOOOO he's good, and Plant...because she added such cute pics I think it was a diversion!!!
Not trying to divert, just joining in the fun. Pple were posting pics of snowball fights. Just thought I'd post pics of the last time my son and I had a snowball fight. BTW, it was the first time it had snowed much at all in that part of France in longer than folks could remember, and it happened the year we were there, so I think funky weather follows me around.
As far as this Blitzen thing we need all the townies to win, and if my understanding is correct we shouls either start for the evil elves or try to lure out Blitzen
Umm, so what do we do with Blitzen even if we were able to lure them out?
The best hint i can give you right now is just to tell us your evil, so we can bump you off and have one less evil person in the town :)
I'll give you the advice that was given to me.
People who make suspicious posts make good suspects, because they look suspicious.People who don't look suspicious make good suspects, because they don't look suspicious.
I hope this helped.
So basically you're all evil. Got it.
Blueiz
11-28-2007, 7:43 AM
I dont feel that too much time should be taken to concentrate on the Blitzen, its only one person..There are plenty of other scum to hunt out aswell..So, i dont feel all the concentration show be focused on that person..
So, you dont want the focus on yourself... Dropping subtle hints I see as you did last game...
Sploke
11-28-2007, 7:47 AM
Alright, got caught up. And I'm probably repeating what has been stated, but I agree that we probably don't need to focus on blitzen right now... thats one player out of 7 (or 8) evil ones, and s/he isn't even actually evil yet. As stated before, we will know if blitzen turns or not when the coal is given. I would go for playing the odds and try to flush out the other 7 definitely evil people rather than one iffy person.
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 8:11 AM
alright maybe not this Blitzen thing, however this charlie_stubbs person is awfully defensive....hmmmmm very suspicious indeed. Are you hiding something like that fact thet you are one of the evil ones?????
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 8:15 AM
Madcrawdad I find it interesting that you are very interested in the fat that they aren't interested in it......I think
oh yeah and as far as that newbie crack, we might just win, cuz we havn't been tainted by previous games. Sometimes a fresh idea is needed.:)
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 8:22 AM
Madcrawdad I find it interesting that you are very interested in the fat that they aren't interested in it......I think
oh yeah and as far as that newbie crack, we might just win, cuz we havn't been tainted by previous games. Sometimes a fresh idea is needed.:)
I didn't make any newbie cracks...and what is this 'fresh' idea that you're referring to?
johnlarson66
11-28-2007, 8:23 AM
I'm really sorry for you being emotionally scarred
Too late for saying "sorry". My therapist says the only way I can get better is to kill you.
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 8:25 AM
silly Madcrawdad I now you didn't make any cracks. NOt sure yet I thought about using bait to lure out some evil, but then I thought that it might seem obvious. If we can nip one right now that is one less to worry about later.
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 8:25 AM
oops sorry I meant I know
plantling
11-28-2007, 8:33 AM
Too late for saying "sorry". My therapist says the only way I can get better is to kill you.
Hmmm, your therapist wouldn't be harboring some ill will agaist Santa, would he?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 8:33 AM
silly Madcrawdad I now you didn't make any cracks. NOt sure yet I thought about using bait to lure out some evil, but then I thought that it might seem obvious. If we can nip one right now that is one less to worry about later.
Hmmm...i see a pattern in your words there Beth...trying to communicate with your evil counterparts???
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 8:35 AM
So, you dont want the focus on yourself... Dropping subtle hints I see as you did last game...
Am quite happy for the focus to be on me, as there is nothing about me that is evil.....Was just pointing out a thought on that type of game plan...
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 8:38 AM
hmmmm.... I see your plan Niko, nice try not falling for the innocent act.
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 9:15 AM
Am quite happy for the focus to be on me, as there is nothing about me that is evil.....Was just pointing out a thought on that type of game plan...
Hmmmm.... happy that the focus is on you because you're not evil? Wouldn't that be wasting our time if we were focusing on you and you were innocent?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 9:26 AM
Yes, it would be wasting your time, and that time should be spent wittling out the bad ones here..
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 9:28 AM
so sounds good but how do you plan on doing that?
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 9:47 AM
Yes, it would be wasting your time, and that time should be spent wittling out the bad ones here..
if it would be wasting our time, why would you be happy the focus was on you?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 9:49 AM
cus i got nothing to hide...
Coler
11-28-2007, 10:00 AM
I would disagree. The idea was proposed that we lynch an innocent early, in hopes of preventing them from becoming scum down the road...some may consider that anti-town. IMO that merits discussion, especially on Day 1 when there's not much else to go on at this point.
I find it interesting that you're not interested....
madcrawdad...you are better than this (I thought)...
In the absence of some way of finding out who Blitzen is this is a pointless discussion.
Can you outline what merits discussion ? the abstract pros & cons of lynching a person whose identity is unknown ?
I am reading this currently as a scummy effort to throw out some confusion and hope for a slip up from a newbie which can be jumped on...or a slip up from anyone else for that matter.
I stand over my prior post re scumminess on the 'should we vote out Blitzen' and I still would like to hear from HN on his vote for me.
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 10:04 AM
if it would be wasting our time, why would you be happy the focus was on you?
Niko, do you realize you are contradicting yourself?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 10:09 AM
no, did not realise...all i am saying is that there is nothing evil about me..waste whatever time you like DD...its up to you
Blueiz
11-28-2007, 10:12 AM
cus i got nothing to hide...
So, lets get this straight, you want us to waste our time focusing on you because you have nothing to hide?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 10:16 AM
Am quite happy for the focus to be on me, as there is nothing about me that is evil.....Was just pointing out a thought on that type of game plan...
Yes, it would be wasting your time, and that time should be spent wittling out the bad ones here..
So, lets get this straight, you want us to waste our time focusing on you because you have nothing to hide?
Skimming Blue??? Where did i say i want you to waste your time???
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 10:18 AM
:grinyes:well Coler newbies won't slip but lets see you point that out so obviously maybe you are the culprit......maybe we should be looking at you.........perhaps you are one of the baddies
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 10:37 AM
Skimming Blue??? Where did i say i want you to waste your time???
oh Niko..... funny you mention skimming here...
Am quite happy for the focus to be on me, as there is nothing about me that is evil.....Was just pointing out a thought on that type of game plan...
Hmmmm.... happy that the focus is on you because you're not evil? Wouldn't that be wasting our time if we were focusing on you and you were innocent?
Yes, it would be wasting your time, and that time should be spent wittling out the bad ones here..
if it would be wasting our time, why would you be happy the focus was on you?
Niko, do you realize you are contradicting yourself?
no, did not realise...all i am saying is that there is nothing evil about me..waste whatever time you like DD...its up to you
I vote to lynch Niko
The explanation is right there as plain as day.
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 10:39 AM
right where??? all i see is a row of quotes DD...nothing of any substance in anything, i am afraid..
judgemax
11-28-2007, 10:46 AM
Hmmm, your therapist wouldn't be harboring some ill will agaist Santa, would he?
huh?...
Sploke
11-28-2007, 10:48 AM
I'm not ready to throw a vote his way yet, but I agree DD, that exchange did raise my eyebrows a few times. I think the vote will definitely get some attention though.
judgemax
11-28-2007, 10:48 AM
well, that was a lot of reading, one or two actually belly laughs, and some moments, when all i can do is go WTF?..so far hoked admitted to being and elf, and plant to santa>?>>.WTF?..
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 10:55 AM
oh my, Niko, you are telling us you don't know what I am talking about?
You are first telling us that you are glad the focus is on you, because you are not evil. When I point to it that wiuldn't it be a waste of time if you were innocent, you agree it would be wasting time. That is the first contradiction. You agree and say you have nothing to hide as if it was me saying it, you make no note of that you considered it good to be focused on you. I ask if you realize you are contradicting yourself and then you go to say waste whatever time you want. Contradiction again. Then when blue asks, you never even take responsibility for saying where you wanted anyone to "waste their time".
My votes stands "I'm afraid"
Coler
11-28-2007, 10:59 AM
:grinyes:well Coler newbies won't slip but lets see you point that out so obviously maybe you are the culprit......maybe we should be looking at you.........perhaps you are one of the baddies
I'm sorry, I don't speak nonsense...could you translate ?
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 11:02 AM
DD..i take it you decided to ignore the part of my post #106 where is said...
...and that time should be spent wittling out the bad ones here..
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 11:18 AM
absolutely not, Niko. Rest asured, I took that into account. As I see it, a bad one has wittling himself out on his own.
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 11:21 AM
absolutely not, Niko. Rest asured, I took that into account. As I see it, a bad one has wittling himself out on his own.
We shall see then wont we...
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Coler I mean that always pointing out the newbs trying to distact the attention from yourself is all
And Niko DD has a good point normally I would have your back but she is right it does raise questions
gupman
11-28-2007, 11:42 AM
The best hint i can give you right now is just to tell us your evil, so we can bump you off and have one less evil person in the town :)Triin to play all innocent HUh?Hmmmmmmmmm
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 12:11 PM
madcrawdad...you are better than this (I thought)...
In the absence of some way of finding out who Blitzen is this is a pointless discussion.
Can you outline what merits discussion ? the abstract pros & cons of lynching a person whose identity is unknown ?
I am reading this currently as a scummy effort to throw out some confusion and hope for a slip up from a newbie which can be jumped on...or a slip up from anyone else for that matter.
I stand over my prior post re scumminess on the 'should we vote out Blitzen' and I still would like to hear from HN on his vote for me.
I think if you read between the lines a little bit, you'd realize that it's not so much a discussion (at least on my part) as to whether we should go after Blitzen. I've already stated we shouldn't... It's more of a discussion to figure out WHO wants to go after Blitzen. As long as folks keep saying, 'Yeah, we should really consider killing Blitzen,' I'll keep jotting their names down, which doesn't really make the topic pointless....
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 12:16 PM
well now Madcrawdad, what do you mean? how does this not make the topic pointless, there really is no way save sacrificing an innocent to figure out who s/he is. we will just have to wait and see I think.
. It's more of a discussion to figure out WHO wants to go after Blitzen. As long as folks keep saying, 'Yeah, we should really consider killing Blitzen,' I'll keep jotting their names down, which doesn't really make the topic pointless....
andi872
11-28-2007, 12:21 PM
Ok no lynching Santa's Deer, here is the fun part, find the grinch and evil elves....
HN did i see you admiting to being an elf? However in all technicaly Santa is a elf too...are you saying your santa?
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 12:29 PM
well now Madcrawdad, what do you mean? how does this not make the topic pointless, there really is no way save sacrificing an innocent to figure out who s/he is. we will just have to wait and see I think.
because folks more interested in hunting Blitzen than scum, are themselves scummier in my eyes than those intent on actually hunting down scum....
Coler
11-28-2007, 12:35 PM
because folks more interested in hunting Blitzen than scum, are themselves scummier in my eyes than those intent on actually hunting down scum....
yes...my initial point that was. You don't inspire confidence in me at all.
Coler
11-28-2007, 12:39 PM
well, nightfall is in 5 1/2 hours by my reckoning - I may not be on the net between now and then so I best vote.
I vote to lynch Madcrawdad clever but unconvincing. He's just my best guess for now and I would probably prefer not to vote but I am of course obliged to.
My next prefernce is Hooked Newbie for voting me and not explaining why.
I may be on before nightfall (hopefully so) to review. I very much expect to get hit this pm but so be it - come and get me cowardly fairies.
Sploke
11-28-2007, 12:45 PM
Not til tomorrow coler...no rush.
21 players as per the sign up thread...
Game On....
Nightfall for Day One is 8 PM EST Thursday, 11/29
gupman
11-28-2007, 12:47 PM
I thought tthe first night fall wasnt till tomorrow?
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 12:47 PM
I think Coler might have a point Madcrawdad, you said that hunting down Blitzen is scummier than trying to hunt down the evil elves, but you have never mentioned hunting them down yourself. Only critizing those who wanted to go after Blitzen, I think I might second Coler, only becuase that seems to weird. If I am on later also I will review. But I think I will say I vote to lynch Madcrawdad.
gupman
11-28-2007, 12:49 PM
I'm not sure who i am am going to pick yet I have my suspicions but I want to read through the posts some more.
Well I'm off to petsmart to do some price matching getting at least 10 dollars off each of everything i need..Sorry dont mean to get of subject..
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 12:55 PM
I think Coler might have a point Madcrawdad, you said that hunting down Blitzen is scummier than trying to hunt down the evil elves, but you have never mentioned hunting them down yourself. Only critizing those who wanted to go after Blitzen, I think I might second Coler, only becuase that seems to weird. If I am on later also I will review. But I think I will say I vote to lynch Madcrawdad.
Never mentioned hunting down scum, myself? You might want to do a quick reread and make sure you understand all of the posts. Hopefully this one will help jar your memory...
Here are my thoughts....
After day 3, we will know Blitzen's status (townie or scum) for sure:
- If a townie turns up dead from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen remains an innocent.
- If no dead townie from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen has gone to the dark side.
Either way, we'll know their status. A pre-emptive strike really doesn't make sense IMO, as we'll be looking for a townie at this point.... Makes more sense to look for scum, and let Blitzen worry about Blitzen for the time being.
Also very interesting that you'd toss a vote for me mere minutes after Coler, especially with a day-and-a-half until nightfall....
plantling
11-28-2007, 12:55 PM
huh?...
well, that was a lot of reading, one or two actually belly laughs, and some moments, when all i can do is go WTF?..so far hoked admitted to being and elf, and plant to santa>?>>.WTF?..
Ummm JMax, you should read more carefully before thinking I claimed to be Santa. JL said his therapist told him he would have to kill me now. Perhaps he was trying to be funny, but it sounded gruesome, so I asked if his therapist was "harboring some ill will agaist Santa." In the intro RB said this about the Grinch:
The Grinch. Completely rotten to the core. He was about to be adpoted at the local church, years ago, then that fat ole' St Nick guy just had to give a wink at the prospective parents!
So, to spell it out, I was asking JL if his therapist was the Grinch. Sorry if that made you think I was claiming to be Santa, but c'mon JM, that would have been totally stooopid of me coming out the first day and I'm not claiming to be super smart or anything, not just that stooopid.
judgemax
11-28-2007, 1:13 PM
Ummm JMax, you should read more carefully before thinking I claimed to be Santa. JL said his therapist told him he would have to kill me now. Perhaps he was trying to be funny, but it sounded gruesome, so I asked if his therapist was "harboring some ill will agaist Santa." In the intro RB said this about the Grinch:
The Grinch. Completely rotten to the core. He was about to be adpoted at the local church, years ago, then that fat ole' St Nick guy just had to give a wink at the prospective parents!
So, to spell it out, I was asking JL if his therapist was the Grinch. Sorry if that made you think I was claiming to be Santa, but c'mon JM, that would have been totally stooopid of me coming out the first day and I'm not claiming to be super smart or anything, not just that stooopid.
I would hope not, lol, but as i read them, it threw me for a loop, I am like wtf?..where is the game, when every one is giving away who they are, esp. santa?..
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 1:32 PM
yeah well Madrawdad, not a very convincing line, but yes you are right you did say it sort of. And as far as the coler I won't be on tomorrow before nightfall, But I will retact my vote for now.
I retract my vote to lynch Madcrawdad
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 1:33 PM
It may come back Madcrawdad, but for now I'll let you be.......watch out for tinsel
Blueiz
11-28-2007, 1:58 PM
Skimming Blue??? Where did i say i want you to waste your time???
No, Im not skimming Niko. DD explained it all very well. You contradict yourself, and admit to it, then try to say that you didnt say what you contradicted yourself on.
I vote to lynch Atnixon (subj to change).
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 2:14 PM
No, Im not skimming Niko. DD explained it all very well. You contradict yourself, and admit to it, then try to say that you didnt say what you contradicted yourself on.
I vote to lynch Atnixon (subj to change).
Now theres's a shock...jumping on the DD train?....Choo Choo
charlie_stubbs
11-28-2007, 2:33 PM
alright maybe not this Blitzen thing, however this charlie_stubbs person is awfully defensive....hmmmmm very suspicious indeed. Are you hiding something like that fact thet you are one of the evil ones?????
I find it scummy when someone makes an accusation without a post number. In which post(s) was I "awfully defensive"???
silly Madcrawdad I now you didn't make any cracks. NOt sure yet I thought about using bait to lure out some evil, but then I thought that it might seem obvious. If we can nip one right now that is one less to worry about later.
What type of bait did you think of using to lure out the evil ones???
No, Im not skimming Niko. DD explained it all very well. You contradict yourself, and admit to it, then try to say that you didnt say what you contradicted yourself on.
I vote to lynch Atnixon (subj to change).
Now theres's a shock...jumping on the DD train?....Choo Choo
Niko and Blue are both new to the game and they already have a classic rivalry. Man I love this game. It really brings out the best in people. What suprises me here is this is a battle Niko really thinks he can win. I've got two words you should learn as quickly as possible Niko:
Yes Dear.
bethkira2000
11-28-2007, 2:46 PM
charlie_stubbs perhaps sacrificing an innocent was an idea if need be. Sorry if I offended you by the way you just seemed so opposed to getting the bad guys before they get the good guys. Espcially when one is going to eventually stab them in the back so to speak, maybe more like staking, or raming.
johnlarson66
11-28-2007, 2:54 PM
Oh the wonders of therapy.
charlie_stubbs
11-28-2007, 2:55 PM
charlie_stubbs perhaps sacrificing an innocent was an idea if need be. Sorry if I offended you by the way you just seemed so opposed to getting the bad guys before they get the good guys. Espcially when one is going to eventually stab them in the back so to speak, maybe more like staking, or raming.
Just so you know, sacrificing an innocent is never a good idea. Again, tell me which post it was where I opposed to getting the bad guys. Especially the ones that will stab, ram or stake me in the back.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 3:14 PM
How fortunate for us. It is my theory sleep deprivation caused you to make the following mistakes:
Here you tell Coler what his PM should have said if he were evil. I literally had to read it 10 times. You then say you're off to your tree to bake cookies, implying you are a Keebler "Elf".
You vote to lynch Coler, immediately after he dared the "fairies" to hit him.
They do??? Are you admitting to guilt here??? Do you feel so terrible for what you did last game you are giving yourself up??? Or, in your sleep deprived state did you think that PM you got that said "Elf" meant you were innocent??? Either way Keebler doesn't own your tail anymore, I do.
I retract my vote for CL, and vote to lynch HN
Pretty good case. I wanted to see more from him before commenting on what he had said. But either way he has to answer to it now.
I wanted to see if he just continued or tried to make excuses or what not without being prodded. It was almost a big of an admittance as Ogres subtle post. I know he was mafia but everyone just started voting him and no one discussed anyone else. I didn't want that to happen here.
Ok no lynching Santa's Deer, here is the fun part, find the grinch and evil elves....
HN did i see you admiting to being an elf? However in all technicaly Santa is a elf too...are you saying your santa?
Now why would an innocent want someone to admit to being Santa? Why would you want any power role to show themselves this early?
well, nightfall is in 5 1/2 hours by my reckoning - I may not be on the net between now and then so I best vote.
I vote to lynch Madcrawdad clever but unconvincing. He's just my best guess for now and I would probably prefer not to vote but I am of course obliged to.
My next prefernce is Hooked Newbie for voting me and not explaining why.
I may be on before nightfall (hopefully so) to review. I very much expect to get hit this pm but so be it - come and get me cowardly fairies.
Its been pointed out but Nightfall is Thursday evening.
As for the Blitzen thing. I was thinking more about it today at work. There is no possible way to know who they are. The only thing that might work in our favor is an accidental lynch of them or hope the elves hit him accidentally.
I don't think we can find them unless they just slip up. If they were to slip up I'd be more then willing to lynch them.
I just don't see it as an innocent role except for numbers at this point. His actions in either direction kill one of ours or turns him evil. Either the evils gain one or we break even. If we lynch him at least they don't gain a player.
Now if the coal turned an evil to innocent or killed an innocent then I'd say we keep him as in that scenario we could gain a player.
Lady G
11-28-2007, 3:15 PM
Hmmm...i see a pattern in your words there Beth...trying to communicate with your evil counterparts???
Ahhh, but Niko...I see a message in YOUR post:grinyes:
No, Im not skimming Niko. DD explained it all very well. You contradict yourself, and admit to it, then try to say that you didnt say what you contradicted yourself on.
I vote to lynch Atnixon (subj to change).
I have to agree with DD and Blue here, you are looking awfully scummy this round Niko:headshake2:
Guys/Gals, I have to tell you I am not going to be on much today. Have alot of RL things I have to get done and work tonight. I will post as I can today and after work.
Lady G
11-28-2007, 3:20 PM
Pretty good case. I wanted to see more from him before commenting on what he had said. But either way he has to answer to it now.
I wanted to see if he just continued or tried to make excuses or what not without being prodded. It was almost a big of an admittance as Ogres subtle post. I know he was mafia but everyone just started voting him and no one discussed anyone else. I didn't want that to happen here.
Now why would an innocent want someone to admit to being Santa? Why would you want any power role to show themselves this early?
Its been pointed out but Nightfall is Thursday evening.
As for the Blitzen thing. I was thinking more about it today at work. There is no possible way to know who they are. The only thing that might work in our favor is an accidental lynch of them or hope the elves hit him accidentally.
I don't think we can find them unless they just slip up. If they were to slip up I'd be more then willing to lynch them.
I just don't see it as an innocent role except for numbers at this point. His actions in either direction kill one of ours or turns him evil. Either the evils gain one or we break even. If we lynch him at least they don't gain a player.
Now if the coal turned an evil to innocent or killed an innocent then I'd say we keep him as in that scenario we could gain a player.
The HN quote has bothered me also, wasn't sure what to think of it, except it had a "creepy" feel to it!
Yeah, I just don't see the "Blitzen" as a innocent role either...I mean he/she really if he kills innocents, how can that be a good thing???
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 3:26 PM
I have to say, the whole HN thing hit a chord on me as well but I am having a struggle with it myself wondering about him posting all that. I can't see anyone, especially HN being so clearly obvious.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 3:33 PM
I have a thought on HN but I want to see what he says instead of giving him a reason to use.
If he doesn't give the answer I'm looking for then my vote will probably end up on him.
I don't know what to make of Niko, I have till tomorrow to watch him and don't want to make any rash votes just yet.
If I feel the need to pull someone from hiding I will place a vote though just for responses.
The 1st night fall is hard enough without throwing votes out just to throw them or start trains on people and others skate by without being looked into.
Blueiz
11-28-2007, 3:46 PM
Now theres's a shock...jumping on the DD train?....Choo Choo
Skimming? I questioned you to begine with. I cant help you cant make your mind up which stance you want to take on it. You're not helping the town by contradicting yourself, then denying it.
I find it scummy when someone makes an accusation without a post number. In which post(s) was I "awfully defensive"???
What type of bait did you think of using to lure out the evil ones???
Niko and Blue are both new to the game and they already have a classic rivalry. Man I love this game. It really brings out the best in people. What suprises me here is this is a battle Niko really thinks he can win. I've got two words you should learn as quickly as possible Niko:
Yes Dear.
Dont think he has any need to learn those words with me.
Blueiz
11-28-2007, 3:48 PM
Pretty good case. I wanted to see more from him before commenting on what he had said. But either way he has to answer to it now.
I wanted to see if he just continued or tried to make excuses or what not without being prodded. It was almost a big of an admittance as Ogres subtle post. I know he was mafia but everyone just started voting him and no one discussed anyone else. I didn't want that to happen here.
Now why would an innocent want someone to admit to being Santa? Why would you want any power role to show themselves this early?
Its been pointed out but Nightfall is Thursday evening.
As for the Blitzen thing. I was thinking more about it today at work. There is no possible way to know who they are. The only thing that might work in our favor is an accidental lynch of them or hope the elves hit him accidentally.
I don't think we can find them unless they just slip up. If they were to slip up I'd be more then willing to lynch them.
I just don't see it as an innocent role except for numbers at this point. His actions in either direction kill one of ours or turns him evil. Either the evils gain one or we break even. If we lynch him at least they don't gain a player.
Now if the coal turned an evil to innocent or killed an innocent then I'd say we keep him as in that scenario we could gain a player.
Do we really want blitzen hit now, isnt he still innocent?
Never mentioned hunting down scum, myself? You might want to do a quick reread and make sure you understand all of the posts. Hopefully this one will help jar your memory...
Also very interesting that you'd toss a vote for me mere minutes after Coler, especially with a day-and-a-half until nightfall....
you fill me with less confidence than ever - there is absolutely no connection between me and bethkira. This is inappropriate paranoia on your part; its only 1 vote by me, and apparently now 2.
meantime, I note that there is in fact another real world day between now and night - I have my time zones wrong.
good stuff - plenty of time to review my vote...which stays where it is for now.
As for the Blitzen thing. I was thinking more about it today at work. There is no possible way to know who they are. The only thing that might work in our favor is an accidental lynch of them or hope the elves hit him accidentally.
I don't think we can find them unless they just slip up. If they were to slip up I'd be more then willing to lynch them.
absolutely agree with this
I just don't see it as an innocent role except for numbers at this point. His actions in either direction kill one of ours or turns him evil. Either the evils gain one or we break even. If we lynch him at least they don't gain a player.
yup again
Now if the coal turned an evil to innocent or killed an innocent then I'd say we keep him as in that scenario we could gain a player.
meanwhile - nightfall = another day. noted.
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 4:04 PM
If you say so... you chose to use the word "fairy" and you;d know if you got the right PM that the PC term is "Elf". I'm going to my tree to bake some friggin cookies now.
I feel a better explanation is need for this statement HN..
LOL, I guess all you evil Vamps had a field day over that, huh? :silly:
Although I do agree with Coler that Blitzen's description doesn't sound like an innocent's. He either kills an innocent or turns himself evil, so the role isn't really like that of the hunter (vigilante).
I really dont think the Blitzen should be looked upon as innocent..whatever happens with this person, they are going to end up being evil...My take is that the Blitzen is going to be spending this early time planning who to deliver the coal too to make a kill, i dont see that as an innocent person really..
Yeah theres no way that Blitzen is an innocent.
Except maybe in number terms.
He is listed as an innocent on the rules. But do we really want to keep around someone thats either going to kill one of us or switch sides giving numbers to the evil elves?
I agree..i think all we can do is wait, and look for changes in people getting towards the end of night 2, or 3...
Here are my thoughts....
After day 3, we will know Blitzen's status (townie or scum) for sure:
- If a townie turns up dead from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen remains an innocent.
- If no dead townie from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen has gone to the dark side.
Either way, we'll know their status. A pre-emptive strike really doesn't make sense IMO, as we'll be looking for a townie at this point.... Makes more sense to look for scum, and let Blitzen worry about Blitzen for the time being.
Spot on there....
I would disagree. The idea was proposed that we lynch an innocent early, in hopes of preventing them from becoming scum down the road...some may consider that anti-town. IMO that merits discussion, especially on Day 1 when there's not much else to go on at this point.
I find it interesting that you're not interested....
So, are you suggesting just lynching an innocent just to wittle away at the numbers with a hope you come up trumps and get an elf or Blitzen?? Very very anti-town IMO..
and I would like to hear from HN as to why he is voting for me.
silence makes that post look more and more like a genuine slip. but I am completely open minded as regards early votes in particular. they all serve a purpose.
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 4:16 PM
well hello all! quite a few discussions going on so lets get started:
on blitzen...my opinion is just see what happens night 2/3. No need to go planning out what we are going to do as I personally find it a distraction
Niko seems most scummy to me at this point as DD did a good job of noticing nikos mistakes
hn is acting odd but nothing in particular would merit a vote on him from me at this point
bethkira is already not making any sense to me...
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 4:27 PM
Wow people! I just read through and jeez... I think I have some good suspects. Those late to question my post mostly.
Ok, I can't prove anything via a PM, in this case it was an email but still... I'll tell you what it said, believe it or not, condemn me or not.
"You are an innocent elf trying to help Santa." Nothing else, no other details, no gifts, no names of teammates, etc. (Hence my baking cookies comment)
Did Bob use different terms for others or are those harping on it trying to help the Grinch? I don't know. If you believe I "slipped", fine vote for me. You'll see. Do you really think I'm THAT stupid even if sleepy?
Like I said those late onto questioning it are very suspicious to me since it looks like they're looking for a "good case" to jump on that they can shrug off later while pointing at those who started it.
I'm going to do a closer review after I get a bite and should have a list to at least look at if the RR comes to town for me. Also, those questioning my silence or why it took so long for me to respond need to look at my posting history and deal with the fact that not everyone can get in while at work. Even when I work from home, I'm too busy to worry about this 99% of the time. Those who've played with me before should be aware of that and will bear scrutiny as well since they tried to quietly bolster the allegations.
So kiss my elven hiney! I'll be back with a few of your names before you Grinchies can kill me or convince my elven or fairy or whatever townies to do your dirty work for you.
plantling
11-28-2007, 4:28 PM
Unless Blitzen is willing to come out, there's not much use in concentrating our efforts there. Perhaps the only way they can get rid of the coal safely is to use it on themselves or someone who's gonna UD.
This is Niko's 3rd game, so he may be due to be evil, but I'm gonna just watch him for now.
HN has me puzzled too. Would he really slip-up like that if he were an Elf?
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 4:29 PM
and I would like to hear from HN as to why he is voting for me.
silence makes that post look more and more like a genuine slip. but I am completely open minded as regards early votes in particular. they all serve a purpose.
My vote for you was what, an hour or two into day 1? I wanted a response from you and others. Plus I thought "fairy" may have been the term used for those helping the Grinch, just as apparently you and others thought it was "elf".
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 4:34 PM
Wow people! I just read through and jeez... I think I have some good suspects. Those late to question my post mostly.
Ok, I can't prove anything via a PM, in this case it was an email but still... I'll tell you what it said, believe it or not, condemn me or not.
"You are an innocent elf trying to help Santa." Nothing else, no other details, no gifts, no names of teammates, etc. (Hence my baking cookies comment)
Did Bob use different terms for others or are those harping on it trying to help the Grinch? I don't know. If you believe I "slipped", fine vote for me. You'll see. Do you really think I'm THAT stupid even if sleepy?
Like I said those late onto questioning it are very suspicious to me since it looks like they're looking for a "good case" to jump on that they can shrug off later while pointing at those who started it.
I'm going to do a closer review after I get a bite and should have a list to at least look at if the RR comes to town for me. Also, those questioning my silence or why it took so long for me to respond need to look at my posting history and deal with the fact that not everyone can get in while at work. Even when I work from home, I'm too busy to worry about this 99% of the time. Those who've played with me before should be aware of that and will bear scrutiny as well since they tried to quietly bolster the allegations.
So kiss my elven hiney! I'll be back with a few of your names before you Grinchies can kill me or convince my elven or fairy or whatever townies to do your dirty work for you.
:confused::confused::confused: An interesting response...especially the whole "Im innocent thing"...is hn really cracking under the pressure? Seems very much unlike him
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 4:34 PM
So, are you suggesting just lynching an innocent just to wittle away at the numbers with a hope you come up trumps and get an elf or Blitzen?? Very very anti-town IMO..
Niko, are you addressing this to me?
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 4:38 PM
Niko, are you addressing this to me?
Not to put words into nikos mouth but he quoted you mad...who else would he be addressing???
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 4:39 PM
Ok, I can't prove anything via a PM, in this case it was an email but still... I'll tell you what it said, believe it or not, condemn me or not.
"You are an innocent elf trying to help Santa." Nothing else, no other details, no gifts, no names of teammates, etc. (Hence my baking cookies comment)
Did Bob use different terms for others or are those harping on it trying to help the Grinch? I don't know. If you believe I "slipped", fine vote for me. You'll see. Do you really think I'm THAT stupid even if sleepy?
Thats actually a very clever post indeed there..Luring people into a response to what their PM's said..very clever tactic indeed HN...
Niko, are you addressing this to me?
Yes mate...
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 4:40 PM
Wow people! I just read through and jeez... I think I have some good suspects. Those late to question my post mostly.
Ok, I can't prove anything via a PM, in this case it was an email but still... I'll tell you what it said, believe it or not, condemn me or not.
"You are an innocent elf trying to help Santa." Nothing else, no other details, no gifts, no names of teammates, etc. (Hence my baking cookies comment)
Did Bob use different terms for others or are those harping on it trying to help the Grinch? I don't know. If you believe I "slipped", fine vote for me. You'll see. Do you really think I'm THAT stupid even if sleepy?
Like I said those late onto questioning it are very suspicious to me since it looks like they're looking for a "good case" to jump on that they can shrug off later while pointing at those who started it.
I'm going to do a closer review after I get a bite and should have a list to at least look at if the RR comes to town for me. Also, those questioning my silence or why it took so long for me to respond need to look at my posting history and deal with the fact that not everyone can get in while at work. Even when I work from home, I'm too busy to worry about this 99% of the time. Those who've played with me before should be aware of that and will bear scrutiny as well since they tried to quietly bolster the allegations.
So kiss my elven hiney! I'll be back with a few of your names before you Grinchies can kill me or convince my elven or fairy or whatever townies to do your dirty work for you.
I knew it wasn't a slip. My thought was that you either posted that knowing it was so obvious that we knew you wouldn't do it and was innocent or that the evil elves might think you were one of the 2 that can't communicate. Either way we wouldn't lynch you and they wouldn't hit you.
My vote for you was what, an hour or two into day 1? I wanted a response from you and others. Plus I thought "fairy" may have been the term used for those helping the Grinch, just as apparently you and others thought it was "elf".
I'm thinking at we're all elves, some labeled innocent others labeled evil.Well except for Santa and reindeer roles.
Rbishop
11-28-2007, 4:42 PM
Notice!
Because of an error on my part, in starting night PMs, that has been brought to my attention, there are 4 innocents that can communicate with one another, vice the original three.
Sorry for the confusion.
:lipssealedsmilie:
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 4:44 PM
you fill me with less confidence than ever - there is absolutely no connection between me and bethkira. This is inappropriate paranoia on your part; its only 1 vote by me, and apparently now 2.
meantime, I note that there is in fact another real world day between now and night - I have my time zones wrong.
good stuff - plenty of time to review my vote...which stays where it is for now.
Just saying that the fact bethkira's vote followed yours so closely, with so much time left in the day is curious. You don't find it odd that you vote for me, and say something like 'it's a best guess' at this point, and she agrees and hops on, with 30 hours until nightfall?
As far as being paranoid, I think you're a little off. You're the one who has been sitting on 'Why did Hooked Newbie vote for me?' for the whole day.
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 4:51 PM
:confused::confused::confused: An interesting response...especially the whole "Im innocent thing"...is hn really cracking under the pressure? Seems very much unlike him
Keep shoveling that. I'm not cracking (or lying). I have no reason to do either. Everyone jumped at me being guilty because I said "elf". I explained why. Feel free to lead a charge on me, but be prepared to take the blame when it's revealed that I'm being truthful.
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 4:51 PM
Not to put words into nikos mouth but he quoted you mad...who else would he be addressing???
Yes mate...
The confusion lies in the fact that his question doesn't make sense to me.... where did I suggest trying to lynch an innocent?
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 5:02 PM
Thats actually a very clever post indeed there..Luring people into a response to what their PM's said..very clever tactic indeed HN...
No cleverness needed and I don't really care what other PMs said. I have a hunch about your's though.
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 5:04 PM
The confusion lies in the fact that his question doesn't make sense to me.... where did I suggest trying to lynch an innocent?
...IMO that merits discussion, especially on Day 1 when there's not much else to go on at this point.
You state here that in your opinion it warrants discussion? that means you must be concidering it as you have nothing else to go on, on day 1..
Madcrawdad
11-28-2007, 5:21 PM
You state here that in your opinion it warrants discussion? that means you must be concidering it as you have nothing else to go on, on day 1..
Absolutely not....I believe that I was the first one to come out against the idea. Read below.
Here are my thoughts....
After day 3, we will know Blitzen's status (townie or scum) for sure:
- If a townie turns up dead from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen remains an innocent.
- If no dead townie from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen has gone to the dark side.
Either way, we'll know their status. A pre-emptive strike really doesn't make sense IMO, as we'll be looking for a townie at this point.... Makes more sense to look for scum, and let Blitzen worry about Blitzen for the time being.
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 5:33 PM
Here are my thoughts....
After day 3, we will know Blitzen's status (townie or scum) for sure:
- If a townie turns up dead from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen remains an innocent.
- If no dead townie from the Blitzen bomb, Blitzen has gone to the dark side.
Either way, we'll know their status. A pre-emptive strike really doesn't make sense IMO, as we'll be looking for a townie at this point.... Makes more sense to look for scum, and let Blitzen worry about Blitzen for the time being.
I would disagree. The idea was proposed that we lynch an innocent early, in hopes of preventing them from becoming scum down the road...some may consider that anti-town. IMO that merits discussion, especially on Day 1 when there's not much else to go on at this point.
I find it interesting that you're not interested....
Highlighted in red above was the reason why i questioned you on that, slightly conflicting...post #60 you say it does not make much sense, but then in post #90 you say it warrants discussion?
plantling
11-28-2007, 5:42 PM
Hmmm, KoTD and Kuhli hasn't said much except that they had a lot of reading to do. And aren't JMax and LG and/or DD usually going at each other by now?
There's no harm in discussing Blitzen, but like I said, if they don't voluntarily come out then there's not much we can do besides give them our opinions.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 5:51 PM
Blitzen is a guaranteed innocent until night 2 or 3, when they have to deliver their lump of coal which will either kill an innocent or cause Blitzen to become scum...
Blitzen will likely be playing it straight townie, at least for the first 2-3 days, as it doesn't make sense for them to do otherwise. With that fact in mind, are you guys (Ice & CL) suggesting we lynch the least scummiest people on days 1 and 2? How else would you propose we intentionally lynch Blitzen (short of them being discovered by Santa, and Santa revealing themself to the town)?
I would disagree. The idea was proposed that we lynch an innocent early, in hopes of preventing them from becoming scum down the road...some may consider that anti-town. IMO that merits discussion, especially on Day 1 when there's not much else to go on at this point.
I find it interesting that you're not interested....
I think if you read between the lines a little bit, you'd realize that it's not so much a discussion (at least on my part) as to whether we should go after Blitzen. I've already stated we shouldn't... It's more of a discussion to figure out WHO wants to go after Blitzen. As long as folks keep saying, 'Yeah, we should really consider killing Blitzen,' I'll keep jotting their names down, which doesn't really make the topic pointless....
because folks more interested in hunting Blitzen than scum, are themselves scummier in my eyes than those intent on actually hunting down scum....
The confusion lies in the fact that his question doesn't make sense to me.... where did I suggest trying to lynch an innocent?
Absolutely not....I believe that I was the first one to come out against the idea. Read below.
Out of all those posts the only one that mentions lynching an innocent is talking about discussing it not doing it. I see this as a trap laid down which Mad points out in later posts when he says looking for WHO wants to kill. The one post in question kept that discussion alive to find the evils.
Niko is looking like a pretty strong vote candidate at this time.
Still would like Andis explanation of why she would ask anyone if they were Santa.
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 5:52 PM
Hmmm, KoTD and Kuhli hasn't said much except that they had a lot of reading to do. And aren't JMax and LG and/or DD usually going at each other by now?
There's no harm in discussing Blitzen, but like I said, if they don't voluntarily come out then there's not much we can do besides give them our opinions.
I noticed those two as well as LadyG being awefully quiet.. Is giving me pause on her actually based on the last several games I have played.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 5:53 PM
Hmmm, KoTD and Kuhli hasn't said much except that they had a lot of reading to do. And aren't JMax and LG and/or DD usually going at each other by now?
There's no harm in discussing Blitzen, but like I said, if they don't voluntarily come out then there's not much we can do besides give them our opinions.
How funny would it be if Rb put all 3 on the same team just so he didn't have to look at a bunch of arguing while looking for votes.
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 5:54 PM
Out of all those posts the only one that mentions lynching an innocent is talking about discussing it not doing it. I see this as a trap laid down which Mad points out in later posts when he says looking for WHO wants to kill. The one post in question kept that discussion alive to find the evils.
Niko is looking like a pretty strong vote candidate at this time.
Still would like Andis explanation of why she would ask anyone if they were Santa.
I caught this as well and would like an explaination..
Just saying that the fact bethkira's vote followed yours so closely, with so much time left in the day is curious. You don't find it odd that you vote for me, and say something like 'it's a best guess' at this point, and she agrees and hops on, with 30 hours until nightfall?
As far as being paranoid, I think you're a little off. You're the one who has been sitting on 'Why did Hooked Newbie vote for me?' for the whole day.
what's curious ? no I don't find it odd...you noticed she retracted it of course...that I find odd some (on her part not hers)
asking HN why he's voting for me is completely legit and you know that - no reason given with the vote, and the vote still stands.
Reefscape
11-28-2007, 5:57 PM
Out of all those posts the only one that mentions lynching an innocent is talking about discussing it not doing it. I see this as a trap laid down which Mad points out in later posts when he says looking for WHO wants to kill. The one post in question kept that discussion alive to find the evils.
Niko is looking like a pretty strong vote candidate at this time.
Still would like Andis explanation of why she would ask anyone if they were Santa.
So, are you suggesting just lynching an innocent just to wittle away at the numbers with a hope you come up trumps and get an elf or Blitzen?? Very very anti-town IMO..
It was actually a question, hence the question mark at the end, and not me stating a point of fact..
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 6:01 PM
what's curious ? no I don't find it odd...you noticed she retracted it of course...that I find odd some (on her part not hers)
asking HN why he's voting for me is completely legit and you know that - no reason given with the vote, and the vote still stands.
I answered that and believe I have a few good candidates. I just need to do one more review and pull the posts.
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:08 PM
what's curious ? no I don't find it odd...you noticed she retracted it of course...that I find odd some (on her part not hers)
asking HN why he's voting for me is completely legit and you know that - no reason given with the vote, and the vote still stands.
what? on her part...not hers???
anyways, I agree that the vote is weird but I also find your reaction different from what I have seen from you in the past...mentioning it once would have been fine but you brought it up 4 times so I am curious as to why you were so concerned about it...especially since hn had not posted in a while, its not like he was doging a question...JMO
what? on her part...not hers???
anyways, I agree that the vote is weird but I also find your reaction different from what I have seen from you in the past...mentioning it once would have been fine but you brought it up 4 times so I am curious as to why you were so concerned about it...especially since hn had not posted in a while, its not like he was doging a question...JMO
*sigh* so concerned about it...whatever...lengthy silences are always interesting. how is my reaction different please - not saying it is/isn't just would be grateful for your insight, as I'm sure the town would be too.
her/hers correct - that was a typo...I find Bethkiras retraction odd please read 'on her part not yours'...she voted, retracted v quickly...almost like being warned off.
I find bethkiras posting generally is following other people...newbie or being led/trying to blend in...not sure.
JL, Judge, Andi, Gupman and to a lesser extent grins...little bit more action would help us out here folks.
I retract my vote for madcrawdad
and I vote to lynch Clown Lover
I am thinking as follows :
Ice has agreed with or explained Mad and HN...if this means they can talk this is either great news or really really awful news for the town...I don't know yet.
Bethkira is following a lot, poking somewhat and I find her suspicious.
I also find Judgemax suspicious :
well, that was a lot of reading, one or two actually belly laughs, and some moments, when all i can do is go WTF?..so far hoked admitted to being and elf, and plant to santa>?>>.WTF?..
*sniff* - scummy.
and my vote is on clown lover
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:25 PM
I retract my vote for madcrawdad
and I vote to lynch Clown Lover
wow coler, you were constantly mentioning hn not posting a reason for voting you and then you come and do this? not once have you talked about cl as suspicious and now you vote without a reason?
I vote to lynch Coler
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:26 PM
I am thinking as follows :
Ice has agreed with or explained Mad and HN...if this means they can talk this is either great news or really really awful news for the town...I don't know yet.
Bethkira is following a lot, poking somewhat and I find her suspicious.
I also find Judgemax suspicious :
*sniff* - scummy.
and my vote is on clown lover
huh? why mention this? you JUST posted your vote switch, why even state this?
wow I must be really dumb at this game
I'm only on post #140 and you guys are lynching people left and right. I hope Santa is safe from the lynch mob in the remaining posts I have left to read.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 6:28 PM
Notice!
Because of an error on my part, in starting night PMs, that has been brought to my attention, there are 4 innocents that can communicate with one another, vice the original three.
Sorry for the confusion.
:lipssealedsmilie:
Does that mean there are also 4 presents?
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:28 PM
*sigh* so concerned about it...whatever...lengthy silences are always interesting. how is my reaction different please - not saying it is/isn't just would be grateful for your insight, as I'm sure the town would be too.
her/hers correct - that was a typo...I find Bethkiras retraction odd please read 'on her part not yours'...she voted, retracted v quickly...almost like being warned off.
I find bethkiras posting generally is following other people...newbie or being led/trying to blend in...not sure.
yea, to me you seemed concerned, I mean why mention it 4 times when one would do?
because of that you seemed to be playing different to me, I guess I have always found you more relaxed until a huge train starts on you. I dont know why you were so obsessed over one vote.
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:29 PM
wow I must be really dumb at this game
ok coler your recent posts are confusing me...what are you trying to say here?
^ hey no sweat jpapp; you have explained your reason for voting for me already - my unexplained vote on Clown Lover yes ?
you're pretty knee jerk though right ?
I know I know I 'seem' different or whatever *coughwhatever*
I have to say, the whole HN thing hit a chord on me as well but I am having a struggle with it myself wondering about him posting all that. I can't see anyone, especially HN being so clearly obvious.
This is where the game is truly evil...it has me wondering if HN would freely admit it because he is an evil elf and thinks we would never suspect such a free confession on the first day was true ...or if he admitted it because he is...well evil enough to toy with us. :huh:
Rbishop
11-28-2007, 6:35 PM
Does that mean there are also 4 presents?
No, still just three presents.
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:38 PM
^ hey no sweat jpapp; you have explained your reason for voting for me already - my unexplained vote on Clown Lover yes ?
yes and yet you havent explained a vote for cl...are you trying to make a point here or just being difficult?
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 6:38 PM
I retract my vote for madcrawdad
and I vote to lynch Clown Lover
Oh my god.. Coler voted for me.. I'm so scared guys. Ok everyone pile on.. Please!!! I'll be the first night scape goat for the townies... Because you can then lynch him night 2.. Because he is going to have to explain this vote.. But I hope those of Santa's helpers that believe in Christmas use your carcass to fuel the furnace to make toys for all the kids that deserve them.
Which if you notice is in true Coler scum form... He throws out a vote to try and start a train with no logic nothing..
Personally coler I think you are completely off your game.. You bring up Blitzen just to throw the game into whack and create a whole level of confusion to distract us from trying to find the scumbags that are trying to ruin Christmas.
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:40 PM
This is where the game is truly evil...it has me wondering if HN would freely admit it because he is an evil elf and thinks we would never suspect such a free confession on the first day was true ...or if he admitted it because he is...well evil enough to toy with us. :huh:
eh, I dont know. Hn is a good enough player imo to not have to "toy" with us to get through to the end of the game...
Rbishop
11-28-2007, 6:40 PM
I have just received a PM from judgemax, and do to some real life issues of a major issue, she will have to back out of the game.
If any adjustments have to be made for assigned roles, I have already made them.
She could use your good will thoughts and prayers.
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 6:41 PM
oh my! jm I hope everything goes well!!! :(
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 6:43 PM
I have just received a PM from judgemax, and do to some real life issues of a major issue, she will have to back out of the game.
If any adjustments have to be made for assigned roles, I have already made them.
She could use your good will thoughts and prayers.
/// Game Off
Sorry to see you go Judge.. Hope everything is ok.. Will include you in my prayers and thoughts...
/// Game On
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 6:47 PM
Gosh Jules.... wishing you all my heartfelt best... **hugs**
Oh my god.. Coler voted for me.. I'm so scared guys. Ok everyone pile on.. Please!!! I'll be the first night scape goat for the townies... Because you can then lynch him night 2.. Because he is going to have to explain this vote.. But I hope those of Santa's helpers that believe in Christmas use your carcass to fuel the furnace to make toys for all the kids that deserve them.
Which if you notice is in true Coler scum form... He throws out a vote to try and start a train with no logic nothing..
Personally coler I think you are completely off your game.. You bring up Blitzen just to throw the game into whack and create a whole level of confusion to distract us from trying to find the scumbags that are trying to ruin Christmas.
the blitzen thing :D
glad you spotted the reason for voting for you clown lover; and I didn't even have to pull the quotes :)
*very much game off*
keep well judgemax
JL, Judge, Andi, Gupman and to a lesser extent grins...little bit more action would help us out here folks.
I'm still playing just had to be away from my desk more than I suspected I might need to be today. Catching up on the thread now so I can try to figure out which way is up and which way is down and which of you guys are evil. Thus far I am as puzzled as when I started last night.
the blitzen thing :D
glad you spotted the reason for voting for you clown lover; and I didn't even have to pull the quotes :)
hey but I will do - not tonight; slightly too late and there are (as you know :D) lots of 'em...but as I now know we have plenty of time before nightfall.
lets just see if anyone else is seeing what I am seeing for now.
Oh my god.. Coler voted for me.. I'm so scared guys. Ok everyone pile on.. Please!!! I'll be the first night scape goat for the townies... Because you can then lynch him night 2.. Because he is going to have to explain this vote.. But I hope those of Santa's helpers that believe in Christmas use your carcass to fuel the furnace to make toys for all the kids that deserve them.
Which if you notice is in true Coler scum form... He throws out a vote to try and start a train with no logic nothing..
Personally coler I think you are completely off your game.. You bring up Blitzen just to throw the game into whack and create a whole level of confusion to distract us from trying to find the scumbags that are trying to ruin Christmas.
ask yourself folks - the post of an innocent ?
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 6:54 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, are you stating you got a PM that said you're an elf, not a fairy???
Yes, that is exactly what I was and am stating.
I had to read his post twice myself, looking for an answer here HN...
Didn't take long to join in here huh? You and Charlie both know my posting schedule from past games.
How fortunate for us. It is my theory sleep deprivation caused you to make the following mistakes:
Wait, lemme guess.... you weren't happy that the idea you floated nine hours before and had your team mate comment briefly on didn't gain much momentum so you needed to go back to restate it with even more quotes.
Here you tell Coler what his PM should have said if he were evil. I literally had to read it 10 times. You then say you're off to your tree to bake cookies, implying you are a Keebler "Elf".
I did not tell him what his PM should have said. Seems that you and JM both need to read things multiple times.
You vote to lynch Coler, immediately after he dared the "fairies" to hit him.
I put my vote on him because I was going by the opposite assumption that apparently everyone else is regarding the naming. Also to see reactions from him and others. And, yea because he dared someone to hit him. Maybe that makes him automatically innocent to you?
They do??? Are you admitting to guilt here??? Do you feel so terrible for what you did last game you are giving yourself up??? Or, in your sleep deprived state did you think that PM you got that said "Elf" meant you were innocent??? Either way Keebler doesn't own your tail anymore, I do.
Why would I feel terrible about last game? Until I was turned, I was on the right trail to find the evils. After I was turned I helped my team win. I know what my PM said, sleep deprived or not. And 40 hours isn't bad, I routinely do longer periods than that and have been up AND functional for 4 days (held boat record).
I retract my vote for CL, and vote to lynch HN
I would also like HN to explain his vote for me because if it isn't a joke vote its dodgy.
It wasn't a joke (except for the Keebler part). Is it "dodgy".
well, that was a lot of reading, one or two actually belly laughs, and some moments, when all i can do is go WTF?..so far hoked admitted to being and elf, and plant to santa>?>>.WTF?..
Spewing rumor and confusion I see. I'm feigning surprise.
Ok no lynching Santa's Deer, here is the fun part, find the grinch and evil elves....
HN did i see you admiting to being an elf? However in all technicaly Santa is a elf too...are you saying your santa?
No, I'm not and why would you want Santa to out themselves?
well, nightfall is in 5 1/2 hours by my reckoning - I may not be on the net between now and then so I best vote.
Did you skim when nightfall is? It's easy to miss I guess... since it's only in 40 font and bolded.
I vote to lynch Madcrawdad clever but unconvincing. He's just my best guess for now and I would probably prefer not to vote but I am of course obliged to.
My next prefernce is Hooked Newbie for voting me and not explaining why.
When will you be asleep and/or unable to be on the site? I need to make sure to sync up my accusations as well as you have.
I may be on before nightfall (hopefully so) to review. I very much expect to get hit this pm but so be it - come and get me cowardly fairies.
The HN quote has bothered me also, wasn't sure what to think of it, except it had a "creepy" feel to it!
If it wasn't for the fact that I know what it says and can refer back to it, I might believe you simply because if anyone knows creepy, it's you.
Yeah, I just don't see the "Blitzen" as a innocent role either...I mean he/she really if he kills innocents, how can that be a good thing???
I have a thought on HN but I want to see what he says instead of giving him a reason to use.
What was that thought?
If he doesn't give the answer I'm looking for then my vote will probably end up on him.
Were you looking for a specific answer or to see how many would hop on before you could do so as well safely?
I don't know what to make of Niko, I have till tomorrow to watch him and don't want to make any rash votes just yet.
If I feel the need to pull someone from hiding I will place a vote though just for responses.
The 1st night fall is hard enough without throwing votes out just to throw them or start trains on people and others skate by without being looked into.
I feel a better explanation is need for this statement HN..
Feel free. I'm pretty sure you know what I am by the process of eliminating those in chat.
So, my list so far....
Charlie, Judge, Blue, Lady G, & Ice.
Maybes on Coler and Niko.
Some "gut feel" (feel free to bash me for it, some reading, and some other factors. Yes, I named 7, no I don't believe it's 100%.
I need to review the Blitzen BS talk. That was either thrown out there or fed for purposes on confusing things IMO.
@HN - the nightfall thing...bah you try working out the timezone thing.
hey you say the vote was a joke - if I missed the retraction on it I apologise. as I said unless it was a joke it was dodgy.
go review the Blitzen BS talk...mad was right, it was more interesting than I first thought.
andi872
11-28-2007, 6:58 PM
Still would like Andis explanation of why she would ask anyone if they were Santa.
Andi read the game rules wrong is all...sorry
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 7:01 PM
@HN - the nightfall thing...bah you try working out the timezone thing.
hey you say the vote was a joke - if I missed the retraction on it I apologise. as I said unless it was a joke it was dodgy.
go review the Blitzen BS talk...mad was right, it was more interesting than I first thought.
How can you NOT work the timezone thing!!! For anyone else in the WORLD you have it the EASIEST.. Your near or ON GMT..
How can you NOT work the timezone thing!!! For anyone else in the WORLD you have it the EASIEST.. Your near or ON GMT..
meh and bah
are you saying my voting for mad was me being evil or just saying I'm stupid...I accept the latter accusation as being true on occasion.
once again...are we reading an innocent post here ?
clown lover - why don't you tell us who you are suspecting (me obviously I mean how could you not :D)...go ahead and vote for me; confirm my suspicions.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 7:04 PM
Yes, that is exactly what I was and am stating.
Didn't take long to join in here huh? You and Charlie both know my posting schedule from past games.
It wasn't a joke (except for the Keebler part). Is it "dodgy".
Spewing rumor and confusion I see. I'm feigning surprise.
No, I'm not and why would you want Santa to out themselves?
So, my list so far....
Charlie, Judge, Blue, Lady G, & Ice.
Maybes on Coler and Niko.
Some "gut feel" (feel free to bash me for it, some reading, and some other factors. Yes, I named 7, no I don't believe it's 100%.
I need to review the Blitzen BS talk. That was either thrown out there or fed for purposes on confusing things IMO.
I don't know if you skimmed past it or just didn't get that far but I posted what my thought was in post 168.
Obviously I couldn't post it beforehand. If I had and you were evil you'd have just used it as a cover.
I have just received a PM from judgemax, and do to some real life issues of a major issue, she will have to back out of the game.
If any adjustments have to be made for assigned roles, I have already made them.She could use your good will thoughts and prayers.
So sorry to hear this.
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 7:06 PM
I retract my vote on Coler and vote to lynch Charlie.
andi872
11-28-2007, 7:07 PM
I have just received a PM from judgemax, and do to some real life issues of a major issue, she will have to back out of the game.
If any adjustments have to be made for assigned roles, I have already made them.
She could use your good will thoughts and prayers.
Hugs JM hope it is ok
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 7:09 PM
Andi read the game rules wrong is all...sorry
game off
Hope everythings well JM and hope to see you back soon. I missed it when I hit new posts and it brought me to HNs post 1st.
game on
Would you care to explain what you thought the rules stated?
OK, finally caught up on the posts. Now the most important question of all; does this town have a bar? I think I need a drink.
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 7:09 PM
I don't know if you skimmed past it or just didn't get that far but I posted what my thought was in post 168.
Obviously I couldn't post it beforehand. If I had and you were evil you'd have just used it as a cover.
Gotcha, thanks. I did read it, but got trapped in my multi-quote hell and picked out the ones to question without connecting all of the dots.
Hooked Newbie
11-28-2007, 7:11 PM
OK, finally caught up on the posts. Now the most important question of all; does this town have a bar? I think I need a drink.
Hot Toddies all around!
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 7:12 PM
hey but I will do - not tonight; slightly too late and there are (as you know :D) lots of 'em...but as I now know we have plenty of time before nightfall.
lets just see if anyone else is seeing what I am seeing for now.
So once its posted you can go.. "yeah thats what I saw".. Why don't you do your own leg work since you obviously have "read" what is sceptical about my posts instead of trying to capitalize on something else.. Don't want the people to see you for the scumbag you are?
So once its posted you can go.. "yeah thats what I saw".. Why don't you do your own leg work since you obviously have "read" what is sceptical about my posts instead of trying to capitalize on something else.. Don't want the people to see you for the scumbag you are?
wow...certainly hit the hot button havn't I.
I don't have to do my leg work - you're doing that for me.
where's the vote clown lover, where's the vote ?
I mean come on...you know I'm scum apparently...what more reason could you want ??
Hot Toddies all around!
Finally!
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 7:30 PM
wow...certainly hit the hot button havn't I.
I don't have to do my leg work - you're doing that for me.
where's the vote clown lover, where's the vote ?
Took you that long to come up with this cheap of a reply??? I don't do OMGUS votes.
I mean come on...you know I'm scum apparently...what more reason could you want ??
:)
Took you that long to come up with this cheap of a reply??? I don't do OMGUS votes.
If I'm a scumbag...it wouldn't be one would it.
what do you say jpappy ?
still think I'm the best shot for a vote ? :D
jpappy789
11-28-2007, 7:36 PM
what do you say jpappy ?
still think I'm the best shot for a vote ? :D
at this point yes...but tomorrow may be different I dont know. I voiced my opinion and I have been seeing different gameplay from you.
anyways, I am done for the night...I HATE finals:mad2:
*yawn* another person seeing different gameplay from me...what is this now Mafia 18 right ??
[quote=jpappy789;1179078]at this point yes...but tomorrow may be different I dont know. I voiced my opinion and I have been seeing different gameplay from you.
[quote]
yeah you didn't really see...you just jumped on me the minute I voted Clown Lover...you have a think about it though and see what you come up with.
Dangerdoll
11-28-2007, 7:40 PM
from what I see is you seem pretty combative, Coler... not sure why
just giving as good as I get DD...currently because I like my vote on Clown Lover...I don't read the response as innocent *shrug*...seems like the bait was took...definitely my best suspect as of right now.
they are 99% going to hit me night one anyway so I might as well enjoy myself and try and pull some of them out while I'm here :D
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 7:45 PM
:popcorn:
I'm not sure who to believe if either is evil. To many times we've had innocents go after one another. HN and Rb last game. Rb was innocent at that time.I can't count the number of times I've gone at it with someone and we both ended up innocent.
If anything it might be something to use later in the game to help determine if one or the other is evil or not.
I'm still leaning towards Niko for my vote but if Andi doesn't come up with a better explanation I might have to put a vote on her.
Actually until she explains better I vote to lynch Andi
I do of course expect that anyone who thinks I was overly paranoid over a one vote thing to read post 202 and subsequent CL posts with the deepest of interest :D
:popcorn:
I'm not sure who to believe if either is evil. To many times we've had innocents go after one another. HN and Rb last game. Rb was innocent at that time.I can't count the number of times I've gone at it with someone and we both ended up innocent.
this is a pretty fair point...I am thinking of Ogre and I in some zombie mafia game back a while ago too.
andi872
11-28-2007, 7:49 PM
Would you care to explain what you thought the rules stated?
Some crazy reason which now that i think about it makes no since, i thought we wanted to find santa, to help him...again miss read sorry...I was reading and posting inbetween CAD commands...lol
clown-lover
11-28-2007, 7:52 PM
I do of course expect that anyone who thinks I was overly paranoid over a one vote thing to read post 202 and subsequent CL posts with the deepest of interest :D
Here coler I'll help your train...
I vote to lynch Clown-Lover..
oh please what train.
i think Charlie might be on you not sure.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 7:55 PM
Some crazy reason which now that i think about it makes no since, i thought we wanted to find santa, to help him...again miss read sorry...I was reading and posting inbetween CAD commands...lol
Thats got to be the worst reason I've ever read. What part of Santa,innocent did you misunderstand?
Unless I find a better suspect my vote stays till you prove to me you're here to help us find the Grinch and not Santa.
I mean sheesh I have been there and tried that voting for yourself malarkey.
IceH2O
11-28-2007, 7:56 PM
Here coler I'll help your train...
I vote to lynch Clown-Lover..
That doesn't work anymore. Coler tried it in the last game he played. He was mafia.
and there was I acknowledging that a big spat between innocents can happen on day 1...what did you 'skim' past post 243 ??
my vote sticks - voting for yourself is as scummy as it gets. if you are innocent my friend you have really screwed yourself over.