Would you ever buy a fish with ich?

[SHK_ATK]

Due to the the recent thread of qt and ich, I always wanted to ask this "?"
would you ever buy a fish with ich?

I say Knowing that ich is curable, and if it was a fish that was super rare or something I always had my eye on and it was stress ich I would buy it (prob get ask for a discount as well)

[fsn77]

I would for a discounted price, knowing that it is likely to end up with a better chance of surviving if someone takes it home and puts forth the effort to get it healthy again. That is, of course, if it's a fish that we wanted to keep once it's healthy.

[Reefscape]

I would buy a fish that has Ich, as FSN says, if the price was right and i had the place and time to treat it...

Niko

[trippkid]

How much do you really save though, having to start up a QT for six weeks or so, plus the medication, or the hassle of Hypo, IMO. The only thing you are saving, IMO, is the fish. Very noble cause, you might as well pay full price. Not trying to beat you up fsn or Niko, just wanted to throw that out there. What's the cost to fix the fish, that is if it does recover?
Not in a million years for me, I don't do FW, other than my boy's goldfish, SW for me and fish better at least look healthy and be eating for me to even consider, too iffy with SW fish and expensive to say the least. I guess my opinion may be a little harsh, my LFS doesn't give discounts for those types of things, so you end up paying full price for a sick fish. I try my very best to stay away from sick fish, heck I try to stay away from sick(contagious type) people at just about any cost, I guess a part of OCD. More power to those that do buy them and nurse them back to health, that is great, seriously. I just won't chance it. Sorry for the FW reference, the site moved me to a FW thread after I voted, figured it out after a little while, duh.
Matt

[Reefscape]

How much do you really save though, having to start up a QT for six weeks or so, plus the medication, or the hassle of Hypo, IMO. The only thing you are saving, IMO, is the fish. Very noble cause, you might as well pay full price. Not trying to beat you up fsn or Niko, just wanted to throw that out there. What's the cost to fix the fish, that is if it does recover?
Not in a million years for me, I don't do FW, other than my boy's goldfish, SW for me and fish better at least look healthy and be eating for me to even consider, too iffy with SW fish and expensive to say the least. I guess my opinion may be a little harsh, my LFS doesn't give discounts for those types of things, so you end up paying full price for a sick fish. I try my very best to stay away from sick fish, heck I try to stay away from sick(contagious type) people at just about any cost, I guess a part of OCD. More power to those that do buy them and nurse them back to health, that is great, seriously. I just won't chance it. Sorry for the FW reference, the site moved me to a FW thread after I voted, figured it out after a little while, duh.
Matt


No medication or extra cost...just hypo....sorted...

Niko

[trippkid]

Niko, your running another tank, there is cost involved.

[Star_Rider]

wouldn't you qt a new fish anyway?

if you don't you should.

it's a tough lesson to learn..if you purchase a new fish (healthy) add it to the main tank to find out it actually has ich or some other pathogen.

SOP is to qt new fish..so if it has ich just treat it in the qt tank.

[trippkid]

You are correct(I forgot in my madness that hypothetically we were going to buy a new fish anyways, hence the need for the QT), you take a chance with "healthy looking" fish too, so I guess it comes down to the hassle of hypo, which it is don't lie, or medication, and the possibility that it has more than the ick going on(secondary infections). Why not keep the odds more in your favor, I wouldn't do it, that's just me. I haven't bought any new fish for a long time, they aren't my favorite critters in the SW world, this being one of the reasons. Sorry I'll stop being negative on this, like I said before the people that do save them that is great.
Matt

[mandy21]

I can see both sides. I voted i would buy one if given a deep discount. meaning, practically free. Given that i have the money to take care of the fish I have, I don't have the money (or want to spend the money) on an obviously sick fish. There is a beautiful Coris Wrasse (I think?) at my LFS that is priced at $149. Absolutely gorgeous. If I was able to get it for $20 and nurse it back to health or attempt, then sure I would certainly try that. But a discount that much on a fish like that would never happen.

[Grins]

Weird I posted a response to this and it ended up in the FW forum. Matt, looks like the same happened to you?

[Reefscape]

Niko, your running another tank, there is cost involved.


Its always good practice to QT "ANY" new fish that you purchase anyway, so, there is no real difference in cost in my opinion, a few extra weeks in QT, that cost is negligible...

This is of course, just me... :)

Niko

[trippkid]

Niko, I know, I know, I know. Didn't really think everything through. :thud: Still wouldn't do it, maybe if like Mandy said (free), other than that no way.
Grins, yeah, it was weird, I voted and it kicked me to the FW forums about Kissing Gouramis or something, interesting. LOL
Matt

[Grins]

exactly! We hit some soft of wormhole in AC.

[trippkid]

That what I was thinking, but didn't say. Weird.
Matt

[Lupin]

exactly! We hit some soft of wormhole in AC.
Sort or soft?

I voted no. I really feel uncomfortable with ich cases.:lipssealedsmilie:

[cav]

I tried doing a little survey on another forum about ich in the us/uk to see where got the most cases and this was the response from one of the mods:

Ich is a freshwater disease (Ichthyophthirius multifiliis, the Ich comes from the first 3 lettters) so why would we want a survey on a freshwater disease, wouldn't it be better to have one on marine white spot caused by Cryptocarrion irritans instead?

[Reefscape]

I tried doing a little survey on another forum about ich in the us/uk to see where got the most cases and this was the response from one of the mods:

Ich is a freshwater disease (Ichthyophthirius multifiliis, the Ich comes from the first 3 lettters) so why would we want a survey on a freshwater disease, wouldn't it be better to have one on marine white spot caused by Cryptocarrion irritans instead?


LOL...i dont even wanna know what forum that was from Wayne.... :lipssealedsmilie:

[Reefscape]

There is an issue with this thread's poll..when you vote, you end up in another thread...Looking into it...

Niko

[Grins]

Sort or soft?

I voted no. I really feel uncomfortable with ich cases.:lipssealedsmilie:

OK I confess. I am the queen of typos. :lipssealedsmilie:

[Grins]

There is an issue with this thread's poll..when you vote, you end up in another thread...Looking into it...

Niko


Could you move my response from there over to here?..lol The SW people already know I'm nuts, no sense in having the FW people think it now too.

[cav]

Could you move my response from there over to here?..lol The SW people already know I'm nuts, no sense in having the FW people think it now too.

I think we should run a poll on this subject ha ha ha

[SHK_ATK]

haha When I posted this thread it kicked to the freshwater newbie :D

Mandy what kind of coris wrasse are you talking about? red or yellow? I got my ADULT red coris for 15 bucks!!


There was once a sohal tang that had a mild case of ich and I REALLY wanted to buy him but his price is the only thing that did me in @ $160!!! I opted to wait till I had a big enough QT tank (along with some spare cash:grinyes:) I did not even thing to ask for a discount :wall::wall::wall:

[Grins]

I think we should run a poll on this subject ha ha ha

:banhim:

[mandy21]

Mandy what kind of coris wrasse are you talking about? red or yellow? I got my ADULT red coris for 15 bucks!!
http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productDetail.asp?did=1&pid=997&cid=289 this one. It would probably fit into the XXL category without actually getting a ruler out to measure it. It truly was beautiful. I got a discount on a fish I got tonight because I managed to sell it to a guy that was debating whether or not to get it. :grinyes:

[Grins]

Ya know, that is the second post I've read from you tonight about a new fish. Two different fish it seems. Where are the photos?

[mandy21]

Ya know, that is the second post I've read from you tonight about a new fish. Two different fish it seems. Where are the photos?


hahaha yes, I ventured home with 2 fish. one for each tank. I hope to get some pics tomorrow. I only had lights on long enough to feed and ensure that they ate just a little bit then let them settle in for the evening.

[Reefscape]

Suggest starting a new topic for other issues than the thread op's please..

Thanks

Niko

[SHK_ATK]

Its cool niko,

This is the one I bought

http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productDetail.asp?did=1&pid=999&cid=289

I like BZA but some of their coral seems to ship a bit rough.

[schigara]

I think we all buy fish with ich every day, knowingly or not. If the question is, would I buy a fish that is showing symptoms of being infected with ich, such as white spots, flashing and rapid breathing, then the answer would be yes.

Since finally seeing the light and realizing the great benefit of Hypo QT of every fish, I have no qualms about buying a fish in distress. I wouldn't even require a discount on the infected fish since most LFS's give a 7-14 day guarantee.

I think as responsible reef/fishkeepers, we shouldn't just try to cherry pick the best fish possible. Meaning, if you have the knowledge to properly QT and heal a fish infected with ick then we should try do so since we know they should be QT'd anyway. For those who don't know, believe or care to QT, let them pick the healthiest looking fish.

Wow, I bet I'll catch some flack for this point of view!

[SHK_ATK]

well not so much flak but more of a coment, what happends when you DO qt and DO Hypo and the fish STILL dies? I say a discount is JUST. As much money as sw fish are and Im not sure where you live but where I live once that fish walks out that door "all sales are final" I think we all run risks w/ anything we put in our tanks and I believe that even if we qt and do everything correctly there STILL a chance (small chance) that our display tanks can come down w/ some sort of disease or parasite or virus.

Ive had both fish that I bought flawless and have been qt and then died a couple months later and also had bought fish that where eating well swimming fine but had a touch of stress ich and they to this day are alive and healthy (ich free) If the deal is good and you have the time I say take it.

[schigara]

I see what you're saying but I think you're missing my point. My point is purely personal responsibility. When you buy a fish, it's not like buying a Toyota, where one can expect a warranty and expect that it be fixed or replaced when it doesn't perform up to expectations.

My 3 LFS's do give a "warranty" on their livestock of as little as 7 days to as much as 14 days and I think this is very generous.

If a LFS were held accountable for any and all deaths of all livestock they sold, there would be no LFS's to buy anything from. PERIOD!!! We are dealing with live animals and they are in OUR care. We can not expect a LFS to do an exhaustive and lengthy QT and still make a profit and still stay in business.

If the fish still dies after appropriate QT, who's fault is it. Should the LFS have to eat the cost? Remember we are talking about a very volatile live commodity.

I think the big question is, could your regular LFS afford to perfectly QT every single fish before it is sold to absolutely guarantee an ich free fish?

I would certainly hate to be involved with a business with live product and I was solely responsible for the life of the product and the end user was given a free pass.


well not so much flak but more of a coment, what happends when you DO qt and DO Hypo and the fish STILL dies? I say a discount is JUST. As much money as sw fish are and Im not sure where you live but where I live once that fish walks out that door "all sales are final" I think we all run risks w/ anything we put in our tanks and I believe that even if we qt and do everything correctly there STILL a chance (small chance) that our display tanks can come down w/ some sort of disease or parasite or virus.

Ive had both fish that I bought flawless and have been qt and then died a couple months later and also had bought fish that where eating well swimming fine but had a touch of stress ich and they to this day are alive and healthy (ich free) If the deal is good and you have the time I say take it.

[schigara]

Let's go further. The price we pay for our exotic pets is not that high. If you take into consideration what some pay for certain dogs or cats($200-$1500 or higher), our fish that come from all over the world are quite reasonably priced and we don't have to take them to the vet for another big bill for shots and whatnot.

Don't kid yourself, even your basic yellow tang or clownfish is an exotic pet and because you paid a meager $20-70 per fish does not mean you paid your way out of responsibility for a living thing. Think about how it was captured and transported. You, the end user ,are ultimately responsible for the health and well being of your exotic "pet".

Be realistic. In a saltwater tank, the fish are about the cheapest thing we will ever buy, especially in a single purchase.

[SHK_ATK]

I do have a LFS that DOES qt fish for about 2-3 weeks before it puts the fish in the public eye. Livestock is always a HUGE variety of fish and all pretty much ich and parasite free, The down side??? COST!!!!! A fish I can get online for 25 bucks they sell for at least 3-4 times as much. I guess I see myself saying Hey mr. fishguy, I have some $$ and you have a fish Im eyeing/ intreasted, but its a wee bit sick how about cutting me a deal. Win win Id say.

As far as caretake, the "standard" qt, meds, hypo. W/E. Is up to US (the caretaker)

I do your point as fish being the cheaper of things in a sw system I think the most expensive thing in my tank is the LR!! I do have other pets that cost a hell of alot more than anyfish ive bought (IE Great Dane & Macaw) BUT If I were to add up fish that die due to whatever illness they had when I purchased them Id say Im right around the $200 mark.

I guess to use your analogy If I where to buy a toyota, and its under warranty (ie the motor blows up)Im not going to be complaining about the cost, BUT if im at the dealership and I notice the interior is all tore the hell up and looks way below avarage, I might try to haggle on price (knowing im going to have to take care of it before I start driving it around town (IE qt before I put in display tank))