Help my tank pleas !!!!!

[cullyisgully]

hi my bubble tip needs help he is dieing i just tested my tank and her are the results

PH 8.6 ppm

nitrate 0 ppm

ammonia 0 ppm

nitrate 20 ppm

phosphate 0 ppm

calcium 420 ppm



and her are a few pics of my tank .. i have a 72 bow whit a protine skimer and a 404 fluve... and two powers heads ... if i need any think in my tank that i dont have just tell me cause i dont want my bubble tip 2 die on me :eek3::eek3:

[mandy21]

What lighting is it under? how often and what do you feed? stocking list to see if any predators are in there? a closeup shot because I'm not sure I see it.

[cullyisgully]

What lighting is it under? how often and what do you feed? stocking list to see if any predators are in there? a closeup shot because I'm not sure I see it.

1. two 20g lights that come when you buy a 20g tank and top. one bulbs is the stock light bulb and the outer is a reef light.

2. feed one time ever two days. and feed them blacks worms.

3. one maroon clowns, two nemo clowns, one black sand clown, hipo tang, yellow watchmen goby, and 20 hermit crab.

4. thes are the best picks I have of my tank of right now and my pumps. try to get more picks later

[redskins2647]

i dont think a bubble tip would be doing very well under your lighting but im not sure how old is your tank

[redskins2647]

and why do you say its dieing in the first place like what are the symtoms of it

[mandy21]

I definitely think you need better light. that could be the culprit, i'm guessing these are just fluorescent lighting, which certainly is not going to let an anemone thrive by any means. I really can't tell where it is, but if I had to guess, is it the white in the centerish off towards the left? If it is, it's extremely bleached which pretty much can point to your lighting

[redskins2647]

This is also the only thing i can think of unless its your trates

[animalman]

I would also say you need some better lighting, maybe invest in some MH's. Coral needs alot of light and flo's don't cut the cake.

[cullyisgully]

ok i have a 72 bow and what kind of light can i get.. just the bulb or do i have 2 go out and buy a new light and houseing.. i have pumps on the side of my tank so i would have 2 do any mod to it ... and how much does the new light cost.. and were can i get one

and my tank is 2 years old

all the help is needed:lipssealedsmilie:... and do i need more live rock

[Morel]

Umm it's your lighting.

https://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/204945/product.web

Get that.. or something like it.. If you don't your bubble tip will die :) And as far as live rock goes.. I'd prolly get alot more if I were you.. But it's your tank so it's a personal choice.. Everything will be fine like that.

The added benifit of having more LR is that if you have multiple levels of rock, your bubble tip can move up and down the pile to find a spot it likes the most.. if you have just a small amount, the bubble can only get so high.. And then there is the added filtration and such which goes with more live rock.

Hrmm. Interesting fish stock you have.. Damsils, Tangs.. lol how do they get along? :)

[Pufferpunk]

You really should do a lot more research before you buy anything else for your tank. I'd find somewhere else to house that anemone if you can't afford ther proper lighting. How long has that tank been set up? What is the SG?

[Grins]

If the bright white in the rocks are your bubble tips they are severely bleached and the inadequate lighting is most likely the cause. Like Pufferpunk I think the best thing for the anemone(s) would be to give them to someone with a tank better suited for them and then I'd do some reading on marine tanks in general. Although yours has been set-up for 2 years it seems to not have grown past the point of a new tank.

[cullyisgully]

yea i need to buy a new light ....

were can i get one for less then $400 or that is a good prise and cant get better then that.. And im going 2 get more LR... do i need a new pump too or just get the light and LR first..

pumps as like a wety and dry or a refushin....


let my know asap


he is shriveling up and does not want 2 come out.:headshake2:

[Wrench]

More live rock, at least 1lb./gallon

Better lights for the 'nem

More flow. Live rock does no good if the water isnt' getting to it.


Are you doing regular water changes? This well help with nutrient export and keep your trace elements in line. Also are you feeding your anemone? It needs to be target fed several times a week. Silversides, shrimp, krill etc.

[cullyisgully]

More live rock, at least 1lb./gallon

Better lights for the 'nem

More flow. Live rock does no good if the water isnt' getting to it.


Are you doing regular water changes? This well help with nutrient export and keep your trace elements in line. Also are you feeding your anemone? It needs to be target fed several times a week. Silversides, shrimp, krill etc.
i chang my water every week. 5g.... what if the water evaporates is that conceder as a water chang....


i feed my anemes one time a week.. whit krill

were can i get a light for less the $400 or that is the best i can get for that price

[Reefscape]

i chang my water every week. 5g.... what if the water evaporates is that conceder as a water chang....

<<No, its not classed as a water change as all your adding back to the tank is RO water, no trace elements which you get with an actual water change with premade saltwater>>

i feed my anemes one time a week.. whit krill

<<Start feeding every 2 - 3 days which will help it as it stands with your current food, maybe start adding different types of food>>

were can i get a light for less the $400 or that is the best i can get for that price

<<Hopefully someone will chime in who lives in the US and recomend a light fixture for your budget...It ideally needs to be a good T5 fixture or even better, metal halide>>


Added a few comments above in red..

Niko

[salty420]

you can try looking on ebay or craigslist for lighting - like niko said you have to have a metal halide light or t5 lighting for a nem. if this is not possible please that the nem to your lfs or it will die.

[BeelzeBob]

id say your nem is dyin from bad water quality and lights.

as far as your trates go, take all media out of the fluvals. your LR should be your filter, and not much else.

on that note, to reap the benifits of LR, you'd need at least 75-100 lbs in a tank that size.

but adding more LR at this time will most likely cause a mini cycle.

then lighting wise, hih intensity, high output lighs, MH or T5s w/ individual reflectors.

wattage wise, id say between 200-400 watts? depending on what you want to keep.

[Pufferpunk]

Go to the Used Equipment forum at: www.reefcentral.com & see if they have some lighting for you. Also look to see if there is a local reef club near you at that site. Lots of folks are selling off cured live rock from their tanks & used lighting. Unfortunately, if you can't rectify this in the next couple of days, you must find another tank for that anemone. I suggest doing that today actually & purchase another one much later, when you have your tank situated/matured.

[cullyisgully]

id say your nem is dyin from bad water quality and lights.

as far as your trates go, take all media out of the fluvals. your LR should be your filter, and not much else.

on that note, to reap the benifits of LR, you'd need at least 75-100 lbs in a tank that size.

but adding more LR at this time will most likely cause a mini cycle.

then lighting wise, hih intensity, high output lighs, MH or T5s w/ individual reflectors.

wattage wise, id say between 200-400 watts? depending on what you want to keep.


ok shoud i just put rock in frist or get this MH light frist

i need 2 know asap

[Reefscape]

lighting first in my opinion...

Niko

[cullyisgully]

is the light the guy give me on my frist page good... or shoud i just get a HM light

[BeelzeBob]

yea id go lights too, but your tank will need time to adjust.

so you wont be able to leave them on all day, right away.

slowly increase the time their on so nobody gets burned.

then w/ lr, add it slowly, to prevent any extreme amount more of die off than your tank could currently handel

[BeelzeBob]

is the light the guy give me on my frist page good... or shoud i just get a HM light

if you have the choice, MH 14k+ spectrum

other should chime in on the wattage, brand, bulbs, etc...:help:

[BadRoma1]

i agree with everyone, but you need to do a water change as soon as possible. rinse with clean water any chemical filtration (don't do anything with biofiltration, the white things in your canister filter) and run everything the same untill you get more live rock. but of cause, upgrading the lights is the next step after the water change. do 25% of water change or so. oh, and before lights get there, feed your anemone every day if possible. the water change should help the anemone to come around for you to feed it. good luck

[vorlx]

While BTA's do like very good water quality I don't personally think yours is horribly bad. A water change would easily bring you into the green. Your lighting is deffinately the cause. They require higher lighter, once you sort that out you should be in much better shape.

[cullyisgully]

if you have the choice, MH 14k+ spectrum

other should chime in on the wattage, brand, bulbs, etc...:help:

ok man im going 2 get the light youre talking about ....

for the MH, where can i get one and how much is it going 2 run me?

i have a 72 bow tank and i have my protein skimmer on the side....

is that going 2 mess with the MH or will it be ok on the side of my tank?

here is a pic of the top of my tank


thanks thats all i needed.

[Pufferpunk]

You can get 1 or 2 clamp-on MH for that tank. Did you follow that link I gave you to see if you have a local reef club nearby? You can put an add in there for a light. You can also look in the Used Equipment forum for one. You'll have to take the glass top off that tank too.

[cullyisgully]

You can get 1 or 2 clamp-on MH for that tank. Did you follow that link I gave you to see if you have a local reef club nearby? You can put an add in there for a light. You can also look in the Used Equipment forum for one. You'll have to take the glass top off that tank too.


yea i saw it is the light you gave the link to is the a MH light .... and i could not find the page to the local reef club.. but i found the used equipment but they did not have and HM light i wanted

[BeelzeBob]

expand your options (there are other forums out there) craigs list etc.

id suggest tryin RC's drygoods fforum, ther's just more people over there.


id still like another member HERE to give you a better idea of what wattage and such youd want with a 70gal bow.... i just dont know...

[Sploke]

I believe that 2x 175wMH would be enough to do the whole tank. MH fixtures only cover about 2' of tank length so if you were to do the whole tank you'd need 2 fixtures. You could get away with one and just put it over the nem if you were really in a fix and just needed something fast, cash-wise. The lighting would be unbalanced but it would solve the problem. Or, the T5 fixture that was linked above would work as well.

[Sploke]

Although I just looked at Grins' tank specs and she runs 2x250w, and keeps at least one nem I believe, so I don't think that would be overkill.

[BeelzeBob]

nice, thanks sploke!

[cullyisgully]

will i get paid on friday and ill have some money.. hoe much would that cose me if i get what you are talking about... and were can i get one at.. online or my LFS? let me know


ASAP:perv:

[BeelzeBob]

http://www.petmountain.com/product/light-fixtures/504063/36-2x150w-hqi-1063-b.html

roughly what youre goin for, but you have many options. thats just a somewhat decent price...

[Grins]

Since you need the lights pronto you have 2 options in my opinion

1) check with your local reef club (Queens HAS to have one) and see if anyone is selling a MH.
2) go to a local marine store and prepare to faint when they give you the price for the MHs retail.

[cullyisgully]

http://www.petmountain.com/product/light-fixtures/504063/36-2x150w-hqi-1063-b.html

roughly what youre goin for, but you have many options. thats just a somewhat decent price...

is that a MH light.. or that will do

[BeelzeBob]

its a combo,quote from site

High Intensity PowerPaq 14,000K HQI Metal Halide
-available in both 150 watt & 250 watt

LED Panels provide both blue & white lunar lighting
Microprocessor based driving system - 15% more light output

The SunPod produces an enormous amount of light and cuts through water to even the deepest depths. The PowerPaq 14,000k HQI metal halide(s) produce the energy your corals will need while the Moon White and/or Nocturnal Blue Lunar Lights let them relax and chill at night. Powered by either our proprietary internal electronic driving system or remote fan cooled ballast, the high-intensity blue light produced by the 14,000K PowerPaq HQI is so brilliant - no other supplemental actinic lamps are required.

The slim, narrow design of the SunPod (measures only 8.25" wide) allows it to be used even on the most narrow of tanks. The small 20" SunPod even fits most Nano-Aquariums, 10-Gallon Aquariums and Mini-bow style tanks!

The SunPod is the world's first and only fixture to feature both Blue and White Lunar Lights mounted on a removable LED panel. Each color is independently controlled - allowing you to use both colors for a gradual ramp up, or one color for nocturnal viewing. Our Moon White is the only natural white light replicating the glow of a full moon. The crisp white light casts a "moon-glow" over your tank creating a beautiful nocturnal environment. The Nocturnal Blue light casts a mysterious nighttime glow over your tank creating a viewable nocturnal environment while providing all of the benefits of a lunar light.

Housed in a sleek aluminum enclosure, the SunPod features an integrated quiet cooling fan and strategically placed side vents - making for a really cool fixture. Hammertone HQI reflector pumps up the light output - all being protected with a sealed glass lens. Plug-andPlay mounting features allow the SunPod to be used on any tank!

All 20" 150 watt model SunPods and include fixture, lamps, docking mounts and a hanging/canopy mount kit. Other 150 watt model SunPods include fixture, lamps, docking mounts and a 24-hour automatic timer* for HQI lamp(s). 150 watt fixtures feature internal electronic ballast driving system, 250 watt fixtures feature remote fan cooled magnetic driving system and include both timers and hanging kit. (The 16.5" SunPod does not include timer.)

Dimensions: W 8.25" x H 4.5"

[BeelzeBob]

i want the lil one

[cullyisgully]

were can i get that one and how much is it going 2 be for my 72 bow

[Grins]

Click on one of the reef club directories at this link: http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/blog.php?b=71

Ask your local reefers where to buy in your local area.

[Pufferpunk]

Great link!

[cullyisgully]

thanks man do u have any pics of what i shoud get... cause what is the defrince betean MH and a crol life



im going 2 buy it on friday and if im going 2 spend over $600 i want 2 know im geting my money wroth

[Pufferpunk]

I think $600 for good lighting over a 72g tank is way too much. Did you look into a local reef club? Remember, you need lots more LR too & that can get expensive. Don't just spend all your $$$ on lighting.

[mandy21]

I have a 75g tank, not bowfront so I'm not sure the dimensions, but I bought this http://cgi.ebay.com/48-760W-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-Reef-Light-w-FREE-Ship_W0QQitemZ130190460637QQihZ003QQcategoryZ46314 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem which would certainly be enough for an anemone in terms of lighting. you wouldn't get it immediately, which is really what your anemone needs, but it's an option.

[Grins]

By the way, the bottles under your tank...what are you dosing in the tank?

[cullyisgully]

it is cal and alk... i give one dose every to days and i give 30ml of it...

o yea i all mnost forgot i want 2 put outhe corl in my tank so the HM is the better 2 get insted of the corl life right

[mandy21]

I'm sorry, can you repost the last sentence? I can't figure out what you're actually meaning, so I'm not sure everyone else will.

[Sploke]

I think that was supposed to be "I almost forgot, I would like to put other corals in my tank [in the future] so the MH light would be better than the coralife" although I have no idea what coralife fixture he's talking about.

[Pufferpunk]

Cully, I'm curious--how old are you?

[clown-lover]

Half your age PP. Check the profile.

[Pufferpunk]

LOL, you make me sound old! I usually start to ask age at the point where no one can understand someone, because a lot of the young kids talk in "short" like that, where no one can understand them. It is extremely difficult to help someone, when you can't decypher what they are saying, because they talk in shorthand. At that point, I've got to assume they aren't an adult. Knowing their age is sometimes helpful & I tend to be a little gentler with them then. If he's in his 20s & English is his native language, there is no reason for him to write where we can't understand him. Reading over what he has written & correcting for full sentences, with proper capatilization, punctuation & spelling can go a long way in communicating what he needs to ask. I can't tell you how many times I read over my posts before I hit Send & even go back & to correct in Edit, afterwards, so I sound at least halfway intelligent!

[BeelzeBob]

fo-shizzle pizzle-pizzle. :D

[cullyisgully]

Im sorry guys but I am dyslexic, and if my girlfriend is not here to help me write, you guys get what I give you lol so please work with me. But yea I think I am going to get that metal housing light.

[Reefscape]

Cully, as long as you try your best without your GF there, its fine, please do not be concerned about it mate..We'll do our best and work through it with you..

If you do have a problem, then by all means, contact me directly via PM...

Niko

[BeelzeBob]

hey im catchin what your're thowin down

[mayran]

I have a Bubble Tip Anemone in my tank, had it for over a year. It has split once and looks extremely healthy, VERY deep green with VERY purple tips. I NEVER feed it. I have 1 250w MH centered over a 3ft long, 65gal tank that is 24" tall w/ 2 3ft vho actinic supplements (95w? each). The anemone is less than half way up (he found his way to where he likes it with complete disregard for my other corals :shakehead:). I would definitely recommend MH lighting for this situation. And if the tank is 20-24 inches tall, I would go with 250W, but ANY MH is better than what you currently have.

[Pufferpunk]

Splitting is actually a sign of stress. Keeping an animal w/o feeding it for a year, when they can live decades, is nothing to be proud of.

Thanks for the explanation, cully! I'll try to be more patient with you. Your last post was written perfectly, so I think if you just read over what you have written before you send it, it will make more sense to most folks.

[mayran]

Splitting is actually a sign of stress. Keeping an animal w/o feeding it for a year, when they can live decades, is nothing to be proud of.



An anemone splits as a means of reproduction, not stress. And anemones do not need to be fed if lighting is adequate, providing it is photosynthetic. The guy that I got the anemone from never feeds his and it is very healthy and huge. Anemones are capable of providing for all of their nutrition needs through photosynthesis. I quote Julian Sprung:

"Regarding feeding, it is my opinion that photosynthetic anemone fare best when you don't feed them... the nutritional requirements of photosynthetic Cnidarians is easily exceeded if they are properly illuminated in a reef tank."

My extremely healthy BTA is proof of this. I routinely get complements from knowledgeable reefkeepers about my anemone and how good it looks. If Julian Sprung is not reputable enough of a reference for you, then I don't know who is.

[cullyisgully]

ok so what MH light shoud i get for my 72 bow tank.... cause i dont know what one to get and the one that i saw what like 800 and i know that is not right.. shoud i get one off line of at my LFS

[Grins]

An anemone splits as a means of reproduction, not stress.

My understanding is that they'll do it for both reasons. It can be a survival tactic.

[snailrider]

Well I just read the topic, and to answer one question: Adding water as a top off is not a water change. That replaces the water that evaporates, and good clean water should be used for the top off: ro/di being the prefered choice. You can usually get it at the LFS. Salt does not evaporate so adding saltwater is only going to increase the Specific Gravity (sg) of the water.

What is your sg reading?

Water changes, draining water off, then adding fresh saltwater replenishes trace elements vital for the critters health. Water changes to fix other problems, don't fix the problem, rather just make life bearable for the inhabitants until you fix the cause of the problem.

Chaeto algae may help you out.


Seems a major focus is the lighting to help out your anenome before it dies. As mentioned, the increased lighting could fry things in your tank. Be prepared for alot of changes.

Thus the best advice is letting someone take care of the anenome proper until your tank settles in. I have concern for the other fish also, but you could ease into the corrections without losing the anenome if it (BTA) is housed in a better situation (somewhere else).

I applaud you for coming to get help and advice before things are dead. You will sleep better knowing you did the best thing for the critters. Then when the tank is stable after all the change, bring him (bta) home. In other words, let someone more knowledgeable nurse the bubble tip back to health as you bring your tank up to specification.

Trust me, you will feel better about it in the long run.

[Pufferpunk]

I'll ask you again, did you look into a local reef club?

[cullyisgully]

yea that is the one im talking about for 800...

[mandy21]

ok so what MH light shoud i get for my 72 bow tank.... cause i dont know what one to get and the one that i saw what like 800 and i know that is not right.. shoud i get one off line of at my LFS

Did you see the link I posted?

[cullyisgully]

yea that is a good one to get and do I have 2 take my glass top off if i get that one and would it bother my protineskimmer on the side of my take her are some pics?????

[scootrnerd]

http://cgi.ebay.com/400-Watt-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-Light-w-Choice-of-Bulb_W0QQitemZ170184737124QQihZ007QQcategoryZ46314 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

check that out 400 watts for 100 bucks!

[mandy21]

The protein skimmer, it would depend on how long your tank is whether it would bother it.

I don't have temperature issues with a similar light/wattage with my heater and the glass covers on.

[clown-lover]

At that price I'd also be checking to make sure it is UL listed. I have posted this before but insurance companies aren't going to cover any accidental damage caused by items that aren't listed.

[snailrider]

How long will it take for the anemone to die under these conditions?

What is the SG Specific Gravity of the salt mix in the tank?

How much change is going to happen when new powerful lights are added?

Will the bloom change water quality?

How long do the other critters have once the parameters spike?

How is the Bubble Tip TODAY, Is it better or worse?

What will you do today to fix this?

[cullyisgully]

How long will it take for the anemone to die under these conditions?

What is the SG Specific Gravity of the salt mix in the tank?

How much change is going to happen when new powerful lights are added?

Will the bloom change water quality?

How long do the other critters have once the parameters spike?

How is the Bubble Tip TODAY, Is it better or worse? will one of them is all ready dead but the other ones are doing ok for now and it can wate till i grt this new light....

What will you do today to fix this?
will im going 2 feed them and chang the water like 25%


im going 2 get the HM light that mandy21 gave me the link to on eaby

[Catpicklesdog]

An anemone splits as a means of reproduction, not stress. And anemones do not need to be fed if lighting is adequate, providing it is photosynthetic. The guy that I got the anemone from never feeds his and it is very healthy and huge. Anemones are capable of providing for all of their nutrition needs through photosynthesis. I quote Julian Sprung:

"Regarding feeding, it is my opinion that photosynthetic anemone fare best when you don't feed them... the nutritional requirements of photosynthetic Cnidarians is easily exceeded if they are properly illuminated in a reef tank."

My extremely healthy BTA is proof of this. I routinely get complements from knowledgeable reefkeepers about my anemone and how good it looks. If Julian Sprung is not reputable enough of a reference for you, then I don't know who is.

I'm going to have to disagree with this statement especially as your author states " it is my opinion".

It has been documented that sea anemones reproduce and spread slowly in nature, and small individuals are almost never seen. Some researchers have indicated that adult anemones may be several centuries old. If they're like that in the wild then they're not going to do it quickly in our tanks. Anemones split under stress, this can be due to water changes, high parameters etc. Most anemones have zooxanthellae but also need regular feeding with meaty foods.

If anyone wants any further reading try this link http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemonereprofaqs.htm

[Pufferpunk]

At WWM, Brenda is the top BTA expert around there!

[Grins]

I need to pay Brenda to come tame mine.

[Pufferpunk]

Is it misbehaving?

[Grins]

Is it ever....

[Pufferpunk]

I've sent Brenda over here--she'll stop in as soon as her confirmation is emailed to her.

[Grins]

Thats kind of you but we should probably move it to a new thread.

[Reefscape]

I dont think much is going to be possible for the nems untill the lighting is correct for them, untill then, i am afraid its going to be pretty much just lip service...Lighting is a must in this situation...

Thats just my thoughts of course..

Niko

[cullyisgully]

I have a 75g tank, not bowfront so I'm not sure the dimensions, but I bought this http://cgi.ebay.com/48-760W-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-Reef-Light-w-FREE-Ship_W0QQitemZ130190460637QQihZ003QQcategoryZ46314 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem which would certainly be enough for an anemone in terms of lighting. you wouldn't get it immediately, which is really what your anemone needs, but it's an option.


is this a MH or a compact light .... what is the difference??? how long shoud i leave the light on when i get the new light .... i have my light now on a 10:00 am est to 11:00 pm est.....

what would be a good time 2 have it on the new light till it gets back to normal.. :welcome::welcome::headbang2:

[BeelzeBob]

thats a metal halide.

my suggested photo-period would be, 8hrs dayligt, 10-12hrs actinics

[saltydunc]

i feed mt anemone once a week with either chopped cockle or lance fish....i don't agree that they don't need fed and just need light.....in my humble opinion.

[BeelzeBob]

i feed mt anemone once a week with either chopped cockle or lance fish....i don't agree that they don't need fed and just need light.....in my humble opinion.

nice.

well my humble opinion diassagrees with you!

in my reseach, and reason for not having one is this.

in the wild these things can live for decades.

so a few months, a few years, is not really any proof of successful husbandry.

also, the proccess of photosynthesis, is much much, more pivitol to the overall health of the critter, than frozen krill or fish frozen food does nothing for the symbiotic relationship of the anemone's actual tissues, and like, that whats harbored within.

this symbiotic microalgae doesnt benefit squat from a feeding. like most plats, zooanthellea need ample amounts of light.


and that is why its my opinion that like SPS corals, giant clams, ANEMONES are a very light demanding invert that cannot, and will not thrive solely on frozens.

BOBS GOOGLE WORD FOR THE DAY;
zooxanthellae.

but thats like just my opinion

[cullyisgully]

all right so a MH light is better then a compact light.... so im going 2 get the one on this link the one malinyd gave me

[mandy21]

there are both Metal Halide (MH) and compact fluorescent, plus lunar lights, so all your bases are covered.

So, with what BeelzeBob said, the Metal Halide would be what's on for around 8 hours, the compact fluorescents on for 2 hours prior to the MH coming on, the entire time the MH is on (not necessary if you don't want it on, I like the look of the mix of the colors) and then for 2 hours after the MH turn off. There aren't instructions that come with the light as to what to hook up, but it's pretty self explanatory with cords only fitting into certain other ones but feel free to PM me once you get it if you can't figure it out.

[cullyisgully]

all right i will if i have some problems ill let you know..... by the way do u have the one that you sent me on the link or you have some this eles

[mandy21]

I bought it from that ebay seller, so my assumption is that it is the same light.

[BeelzeBob]

mandy the reefer goddess.....


man. we all need theme songs.. :lol:

[Pufferpunk]

How's the anemone? It's been almost 10 days, have you done anything for it?

[mandy21]

Had to change my user title lol

puffer, I was wondering the same thing.

[cullyisgully]

i did a water chang and added some calsemon and alkindy.... wateing foe this thrusday when i get my pay cheek so i can get the light..... oooo mandy the light on ebay is over no more bides do u have a nutter one for me that does not end till friday...

[BeelzeBob]

eh yo Cully
i got an idea

post your watt range, price range, and desired type of light, and see what people suggest.

[cullyisgully]

eh yo Cully
i got an idea

post your watt range, price range, and desired type of light, and see what people suggest.


what watt range is good for a 72 bow....

desired type of light.....

[cullyisgully]

what watt range is good for a 72 bow....

desired type of light.....


any one got a ider yet or na

[Catpicklesdog]

He's got another one exactly the same that finishes in 6 days. You could use the "buy it now" when you get paid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140201327395&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=130190460637&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

[cullyisgully]

He's got another one exactly the same that finishes in 6 days. You could use the "buy it now" when you get paid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140201327395&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=130190460637&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget


is 760 watts good for my 72 bow...:confused: is it going to kill my fish and coral...:confused: or shoud i get a smaller watts.....:confused: or just keep it on for just a lil while like 8 hours.... let me know cause im getting one tommrroy no matter what.... i need one in my life.... and i can make my tank a refusion to right i dont need to go buy one.....

let me know :grinyes::grinyes:

[joander123]

Cully, personally i would not purchase that light. The wattage is good for your tank, in fact its great.. but that is a poorly made light. I would look into your reef club, and if not something like this http://www.petmountain.com/product/light-fixtures/504063/36-2x150w-hqi-1063-b.html

as someone posted earlier. Its just a better brand, you could try to go with the cheaper 760watt light, but i'd rather play it safe personally if i'm going to spend that much money.

[mandy21]

I have the light. Granted, it's not top of the line, but it's certainly not poorly made.

[Pufferpunk]

I think I must have mentioned looking into a local reef club about 5x in this thread. Someone could have loaned him a light from there. At this point, I think the anemone is doomed.

[BrendaF]

is 760 watts good for my 72 bow...:confused: is it going to kill my fish and coral...:confused: or shoud i get a smaller watts.....:confused: or just keep it on for just a lil while like 8 hours.... let me know cause im getting one tommrroy no matter what.... i need one in my life.... and i can make my tank a refusion to right i dont need to go buy one.....

let me know :grinyes::grinyes:

Cullyisgully,

I'm going to recommend getting this anemone to someone local that has experience recovering a bleached anemone. This anemone needs light and food ASAP. It also needs to be acclimated to new lighting. Throwing a MH on the tank without acclimating the anemone to the new lighting properly, is likely going to cause more problems.

Getting a anemone to recover is not what I would consider an easy task. There is not much room for mistakes to be made.

[BrendaF]

An anemone splits as a means of reproduction, not stress. And anemones do not need to be fed if lighting is adequate, providing it is photosynthetic. The guy that I got the anemone from never feeds his and it is very healthy and huge. Anemones are capable of providing for all of their nutrition needs through photosynthesis. I quote Julian Sprung:

"Regarding feeding, it is my opinion that photosynthetic anemone fare best when you don't feed them... the nutritional requirements of photosynthetic Cnidarians is easily exceeded if they are properly illuminated in a reef tank."

My extremely healthy BTA is proof of this. I routinely get complements from knowledgeable reefkeepers about my anemone and how good it looks. If Julian Sprung is not reputable enough of a reference for you, then I don't know who is.

I'm going to have to disagree here. Anemones do split as a means to reproduce. However, this is typically because of stress.

I disagree with Julian Sprungs statement on this.

Anemones don't necessarily have to be target fed. If your feeding your reef tank, your feeding your anemone too.

[Reefscape]

Off Topic, but good to see you here Brenda :) Welcome to Aquaria Central

Niko

[sexylilfreak]

yeah. great tank.
fix your lighting.
if it still doesnt work. i think that you should remove your fish temporarily to another more basic tank. then work out the problem before the whole tank gets contaminated.

[cullyisgully]

Cully, personally i would not purchase that light. The wattage is good for your tank, in fact its great.. but that is a poorly made light. I would look into your reef club, and if not something like this http://www.petmountain.com/product/light-fixtures/504063/36-2x150w-hqi-1063-b.html

as someone posted earlier. Its just a better brand, you could try to go with the cheaper 760watt light, but i'd rather play it safe personally if i'm going to spend that much money.


what is so better about this light then the outher one .... let me know cause im geting one of them today.... help asap

[mandy21]

what is so better about this light then the outher one .... let me know cause im geting one of them today.... help asap

Brand name, pretty much, except the sun pod only has 2 150w MH instead of 2 250w MH and the sunpod has LED and no CF.

However, I agree that at this point you should be giving the anemone to someone who can take care of it. It was dying before so I have a feeling if you don't know how to properly acclimate it to the light you'll wind up killing it. So, please think about giving it to someone since you can basically plan on another week before getting the light to you, and then even more time to properly acclimate it to light. Try a nem again after you properly educate yourself about them.

[BrendaF]

Off Topic, but good to see you here Brenda :) Welcome to Aquaria Central

Niko

Thank you for the warm welcome! Its good to be here! Pufferpunk recommended I come over here.

:banher: :grinyes: Joking Pufferpunk! See you soon!

[Reefscape]

Thank you for the warm welcome! Its good to be here! Pufferpunk recommended I come over here.

:banher: :grinyes: Joking Pufferpunk! See you soon!


HA HA HA...no, i agree.... :banher: :silly:

Glad to have your experience here on AC....

Niko

[cullyisgully]

and im getting the light that you told me to get mandy ight thank all of you ill post up some pics of my tank when i get the light ight peace be with you

[cullyisgully]

my new light is comeing yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

:welcome::welcome::headbang2::headbang2::headbang2 ::grinyes::grinyes::grinyes:

[cullyisgully]

:headbang2::headbang2::headbang2::headbang2:


it is comeing

[andy1130]

If you get the light from hombby on ebay be warned - lots of horror stories go with those lights- they are a generic version made in china, and lack UL or other safety ratings and from what ive heard the quality generally just isnt as good and they frequently have issues after anywhere from 1 month to 1 year. I also read a post on here about six months ago where a guy said the light was advertised as 250W halides but was actually running on a 150W ballast

[cullyisgully]

If you get the light from hombby on ebay be warned - lots of horror stories go with those lights- they are a generic version made in china, and lack UL or other safety ratings and from what ive heard the quality generally just isnt as good and they frequently have issues after anywhere from 1 month to 1 year. I also read a post on here about six months ago where a guy said the light was advertised as 250W halides but was actually running on a 150W ballast


wow are you for real man... cause i just bought it man and it is on its way to my crib... so it is no good then it is a pice of sh!t ... that is what you telling me now

[nycsicktank]

wow are you for real man... cause i just bought it man and it is on its way to my crib... so it is no good then it is a pice of sh!t ... that is what you telling me now

can you refund?

[mandy21]

It works just fine for me. it's not a piece of crap. Never had problems, and neither have others on the forum who have it (I know of at least one other, I think a couple others) along with a lot of good feedback on the light from the buyer.

[clown-lover]

Mandy it might work fine for you, it might be a GREAT product. But if and item isn't UL listed and it causes a fire etc no insurance in the world is going to cover your losses. That is what the UL seal means is that it stands to rigourous testing and you can be assured of some quality in the construction. Its not that a listed UL item can't start a fire but at least it has been tested.

[Pufferpunk]

The seller has 99.7% Positive Feedback.

[andy1130]

cullyisgully, i really dont know how the light will work out for you, I have no experience with them, I researched them about 6 months ago when I was looking for lighting for one of my tanks and decided to go with a different light. some people really liked them, but i found that for every positive experience someone had with these lights, there were 2 or 3 negative ones and i just didnt want to risk it. I did find a few posts that said the newer generations were significantly better then the older ones so maybe the light will work out great for you. Hope it does, let us know down the line how its doing for you.

[Pufferpunk]

I'd plug it into a strip plug that has an automatic overload shutoff what will prevent a fire, just in case. You'd be safe then. I have all my electrics plugged into them.

[cullyisgully]

will i have a timer outlet... is that what you mean or some thing eles....


ill get a pic of it if you want me to

[Grins]

Thank you for the warm welcome! Its good to be here! Pufferpunk recommended I come over here.

:banher: :grinyes: Joking Pufferpunk! See you soon!


Ohhh are you the Brenda from WWM she told me about? I have a rbta I have named PITA, and it is indeed a pain in the _____ for the past month or so.

[mandy21]

Mandy it might work fine for you, it might be a GREAT product. But if and item isn't UL listed and it causes a fire etc no insurance in the world is going to cover your losses. That is what the UL seal means is that it stands to rigourous testing and you can be assured of some quality in the construction. Its not that a listed UL item can't start a fire but at least it has been tested.

My point was that I keep hearing that the light is a piece of crap, when it's really not. Might not be UL listed. The lights people fashion themselves, are they UL listed? Because I really don't know. But I do know that if I put it together, there would surely be a fire lol

[cullyisgully]

so what your saying is that my light will chatch on fire... can i dont want to burn my house down:angryfire::angryfire::devil::devil:

[Pufferpunk]

Do you have it already? Just use it! How's that anemone now?

[mandy21]

so what your saying is that my light will chatch on fire... can i dont want to burn my house down:angryfire::angryfire::devil::devil:

no.

[cullyisgully]

Do you have it already? Just use it! How's that anemone now?

do u have a pic of what you are talking about .... so i can tell you or her is a pic of what i have it is in the bottom right of my tank if you can see it

[40galreefman]

if u bought that light just put it on there, that nem needs some light, and it will be better for your reef in the long run, worry about upgrading it at a later time, just keep it away from the water.

[Pufferpunk]

I think what you need is a strip/surge protector. They sell them at hardware stores. Did your light come in yet?

[cullyisgully]

no it did not come yet... and do you have a web site that i can buy what you are talking about from

[clown-lover]

My point was that I keep hearing that the light is a piece of crap, when it's really not. Might not be UL listed. The lights people fashion themselves, are they UL listed? Because I really don't know. But I do know that if I put it together, there would surely be a fire lol

I am in the process of building a stand and canopy that will require a DIY lighting fixture. And yes the components I am in the process of buying are UL listed and a buddy of mine that is an electrician will be making my hook ups so they will be code compliant. I have also contacted my insurance person to ensure that what I am doing will be covered by my policy.

[cullyisgully]

let me see some pics of you tank man

[clown-lover]

If you are talking to me cullisgully my tank is documented in my blog. I used to have a thread running way back when but since Neo put in the blog feature I don't use the forums anymore for updates to my tank.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/blog.php?u=73011

[cullyisgully]

just got my light pics will be up soon... im so happy now

[BeelzeBob]

Good work Dude!

man im jealous!

anxiously awaiting pics!

BUNG!

http://www.devleermuis.be/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Large-Jay-and-silent-bob.jpg

[Bnoble]

I definitely think you need better light. that could be the culprit, i'm guessing these are just fluorescent lighting, which certainly is not going to let an anemone thrive by any means. I really can't tell where it is, but if I had to guess, is it the white in the centerish off towards the left? If it is, it's extremely bleached which pretty much can point to your lighting

:iagree:..and i am not a saltwater keeper, but i hear that lighting can be a huge factor!

[cullyisgully]

and my light is 2 big...:wall::wall::wall:

some one on her gave me the wrong light....:silly::silly::silly:

now i have 2 sale it or try to return it... im so mad right now:perv:

[BeelzeBob]

how is it too big?

[BeelzeBob]

also, its your responsibility to MAKE your OWN calls.

not ours

[cullyisgully]

also, its your responsibility to MAKE your OWN calls.

not ours


i put the things that hold the light on the tank the wrong way.... lol

ha ha ha he he he

and ill take some pics now

[BeelzeBob]

word.

sounds like something i would do

[mandy21]

word.

sounds like something i would do

stop smokin the ganja lol

I had a heck of a time with the legs on that light due to no instructions and it being a tight fit. that and my little - but strong - self tryig to lift that up with legs not secured to place it on the tank. Oh my. . . . I bet it was a sight to see.

[cullyisgully]

yea her are some befor and after pic

let me know what you think

[salty420]

i think that you had better make sure you acclimate your tank to the new lights but am glad you got them!

[cullyisgully]

what do u mean and how long shoud i keep my light on for????

[Pufferpunk]

Start with 3 hours/day & add 15 minutes every day.

[cullyisgully]

ight i have one more ?????


my protine skimer can't fit on the side of tank no more ill show you a pic.. and advice on what i shoud do.. or i dont need it.. help me on this pleas

[Subliminal]

Man, I wish I would have seen this thread sooner. www.manhattanreefs.com is one booming metropolis of fish keepers. I've traveled into the city on multiple occasions to buy stuff from its users.

Cully, you really should have clicked the link Grins sent you. I mentioned manhattanreefs.com in one of the first comments there. You could have saved literally hundreds of dollars on a light.

But, that's neither here nor there, you have lights now, so hopefully that lil BTA of yours will make it.

I recently ripped my BTA in half...foot and all...and now I have two BTAs. Ha. They're tough little fellas sometimes!

[Pufferpunk]

I told him at least 5x to check into a local reef club. It looks like your skimmer fits on the side just fine. What's the problem?

[cullyisgully]

will it kicks up water and salt i dont want it 2 cause a fire man.. can i get some this to were it is a lot safer or it is ok to leave it on the side

[snailrider]

will it kicks up water and salt i dont want it 2 cause a fire man.. can i get some this to were it is a lot safer or it is ok to leave it on the side

It would be safe on my tank :rofl:

[nycsicktank]

lmk when you get on fire man. ill take care of your fish :grinyes:

[Pufferpunk]

Just add a PVC pipe to the output & have it point farther into your tank, so it doesn't splash SW.

[cullyisgully]

i was thinking about geting a refuison and just put it on the tank so i wont hurt nothing....

[cullyisgully]

i was thinking about geting a refuison and just put it on the tank so i wont hurt nothing....


hello it has been one hole day and no one has help me on this

[mandy21]

hello it has been one hole day and no one has help me on this

There are tons of threads on the topic and you had no question for anyone to help you on anything; believe it or not, sometime we all have to do our own research and not have info spoon fed to us. Plus getting feisty is not going ot have anyone jumping to help you with information that's all over the forum. Try doing a search for refugium. Countless threads.

[Sploke]

I'm confused...you are worried about your skimmer splashing water onto your lights, so your solution is to get a hang-on-back refugium? As PP said, just extend the skimmer outlet into the tank with some hose or pvc and it won't splash. Refugiums don't really replace skimmers, they serve different purposes. Like mandy said, do a search for refugiums and you'll get a lot of information.

[cullyisgully]

im going to make my tank a refushion man... i might just sale my tank it is pissing me off lately:wall::wall:

[Pufferpunk]

You know, keeping a reef tank isn't a simple thing... Maybe you're in over your head? How's the anemone?

[salty420]

first of all i think you are confused. it is refugium not refusion, this may help if you try to do some research. actually listen to the advice you are being given, it's actually pretty good!

[Pufferpunk]

For the longest time I spelled it refugeum, because folks said fuge, for short.

[BeelzeBob]

this is not a knock, or a personall attack on anyone.

BUT.

for those reading this from start to finish, this is a perfect example of why one should RESEARCH anything and everything PRIOR to buying anything.

cully, you can answer every question that you have ever asked on this forum, by simply using the search button, for yourself.

many people have asked these questions time and time again.

2 times now you've developed this attitude that we arent helping you.

why dont you help yourself? this isnt daycare.:headshake2:


and ill tell you right now, if your tank and its inhabitants for you personally, are not woth researching, researching and researching in in order to care for them properly, this is not the hobby for you.

you get back what you put in.

[cullyisgully]

i want a nano tank man... it is alot easier ... and thay die man im so sad..:cry::cry::cry::turtle:

[Pufferpunk]

Nano tank is much more difficult to keep stable parameters. Have you considered going FW?

[clown-lover]

I agree with you puffer.. I had a smaller tank wayyyy back when and had a complete crash with that tank. It turned me off of salt for many years (almost 4).. I then had the urge and did a lot of reading before every putting water back into a tank again. I had a horrible time keeping my parameters stable even in a 20 gallon but I was also clueless at the time.

I think the best advice I can ever give people is to read Robert Fenners and many other books and devouring what is available on the web for current/updated practices. I still consider myself very new to this hobby and have been lucky thus far with my own tank. But I read constantly.

[BeelzeBob]

id suggest research.

[mandy21]

id suggest research.

I'd agree.