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Tweedybird

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Hey all, I'm in desperate need of some real good guidance. :help:
My mother-in-law recently brought home 2 red eared sliders for my
two little boys. They started out in a little tiny plastic quart sized tank.
Knowing that this was just not suitable for these little creatures, I obtained a 10 gallon tank with an old filter bag type filter, a 25 watt underwater heater and a turtle dock. I nursed the baby turtles as best I could with the knowledge I had and read about. and learned that not only do they eat turtle pellets but they also eat fish, so I proceeded to buy small guppy type fish for them and they didn't like them so much. Actually only 1 of the turtles was actually eating the pellets. so these went on for about 2 months. In this two months the guppies got bigger and 1 of the turtles was eating regularly while the other not at all. So now I have 1 turle thats 3 times the size of the other which wasn't eating and eventually died. :(

So we gave it a proper burial and said a few nice words and were on to the thriving turtle we had left with the school of not so small guppies anymore.

Now another month went by and I started to read up on the care of fish and how to take care of them since I now have a turtle and fish to take care of.

My local LFS sold me so tetramin fish flakes to feed the fish and they seem to love it. Also while buying the fish food my boys were with me and fell in love with and had to have two angel fish. so I ended up buying 2 angel fish for the tank. I put them in the tank and they seemed to react surprisingly well with the turtle and guppies.

So now flash forward another month and whammo now I have a turtle, two angel fish, a mamba pleco, and two clown loaches in this little 10 gallon tank.
They all seem to be doing well as far as I can tell but I know very little about cycling water and keeping the tank healthy for the fish.

Now I just got home today from the LFS and I bought a 75 gallon tank with one of those, I think they call it a can filter system.

and I want to setup the tank the right way this time.

The 10 gallon I have now was not setup right, it was more like a wing it type thing. and lets just keep throwing things in the water and hope they live.

After reading some threads on this site, quite frankly I'm surprised any fish are still swimming in that tank.

I haven't checked amonia, nitrite or nitrate levels since day 1, and at this stage of that 10 gallon I'm almost afraid to. :confused:

This new tank I want to do right by and I'm hoping someone on here can help.

I did ask someone at the store about buying water testing kits and he said somthing about not needing the kit, just keep changing the water 10 to 20% at a time.

He also said not to add amonia, and explained why but I'll be damned if I remember his reasoning. He was almost speaking another language.

Now I have this beautiful 75 gallon tank with stand and canopy a giant filter that looks like an old vacuum cleaner and an old 10 gallon tank with fish and a turtle that is desperate need of some help.

there is another LFS closer to me than the other that offers in-house tank setups and stuff, but charge 75.00 per visit. Should I consider this until I learn what I'm doing?

Please help, I couldn't stand seeing my boys upset if the fish started dying also I would be upset also, the little buggers are really started to grow on me.:shakehead:

Thanks in advance.

Tweedybird
 
OK Tweedy, Here we go. If you have a filter on your combination tank, you have the beginnings of a material to cycle the big tank. The filter contents can be wrung out into the intake of your new canister filter and it will help it get started. The ammonia would be very hard on any fish in the tank so if you have moved your fish, the LFS would be right to avoid it. If you have not moved your fish and you have seeded the new filter from the old tank, the ammonia would help establish a working bacterial colony before you put in the fish. Please review the article on cycling at the top of this part of the forum as it will explain things better than I can.
The LFS was also half right about not needing a test kit. If you are willing to change maybe 20% of the water in your tank every day forever, there would be no need to test it. If, like most of us, you would like a well established tank that you can manage based on the actual water in the tank instead of making changes on a worst case scenario basis, a liquid type testing kit is a must for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. It is also nice to be able to test pH and KH / GH hardness. The pH test will tell you if your water has a dangerously high or low pH although most fish will do OK after being properly acclimated anywhere from 6.0 to 8.0. API makes what they call a master test kit that will do pH, ammonia, nitrites and nitrates.
The GH/KH hardness can help you understand why pH is moving around too easily or why parameters don't change no matter what you do. The hardness tests are not essential for fish keping but are nice to have.
The canister filter you have needs to be set up using the instructions that came with it. It should sit lower than the tank, I prefer in the bottom of my stand.
If you run into any trouble setting up, come back to this forum with specific questions and in the case of things like the filter, give us the brand and model number. There are folks here that have a wide variety of experiences and would love to help you do things right
 
:welcome: Tweedybird

1st you do need a test kit of at the least ammonia and nitrite tests the one most of us use is this one http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsU...1958/cl0/aquariumpharmaceuticalsreefmasterkit

2nd as old man said pure ammonia ONLY if NO fish are in the tank.

3rd the fastest way to cycle a tank is to an old filter pad or a hand full of gravel from a know tank that has already cycled. friends of LFS. if your tank has a filter pad just replace it with a new one and drop it in the new 75g tank

lastly the 10 gallon tank should be fine the fish as you say are doing well albeit cramped no doubt so don't worry about it.

It will take some time to cycle the new tank just test for ammonia when it spikes start testing for both ammonia and nitrites when both test read zero the tank is cycled and ready for fish.

That is a very condensed answer please read the sticky on cycling and the one about the nitrogen cycle and you will be fine.

Good luck and feel free to post any other question you have. unlike some other sites you will not get flamed if you do do something wrong we will just try to help you the best that we can.
 
i don't get it. . . .. why would a fish store employee tell you NOT to buy something? weird. usually they're like, "buy this, this, this, that, and now you'll never have to change the water or clean the filter."
 
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