any thoughts on my 10 gallon?

Traci

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After all the great help and advice I got here for the 20g at work, (which is doing great btw. levels are all good, got those nitrates down to 40, & stocked with 2 white skirt, 3 head and tail light, and 4 serpae, along with the gourami, CAE, and the spotted raphael) I seem to have caught the aquarium bug! So, I set up a tank at home. It's a 10 gallon (former breeder tank for my dad's cichlids).

I scrubbed it with an algae sponge and diluted bleach water. Rinsed several times thoroughly and let dry in the sun. I equipped it with a Proaquatics 120 filter (for a 10 -29g tank), a 6 inch airstone and small air pump, substrate mix of gravel and pebbles, a variety of stones and one larger holey rock (all collected from the creek behind my backyard and scrubbed clean), and then seeded the substrate with about a 1/2 cup of the gravel and small snails from the established tank at work. I also set the rinsed filters from the new tank on top of the filter in the office tank for about 4 hours.

Did this on Saturday. Used Start Right to dechlorinate the water. Set up a broad leafed plant (sorry, I don't know exactly what it is) in its pot in the back corner, and fertilized with Hagen plant gro. Bought a new hood with (I'd assume) a standard flourescent bulb.

There is clearly a bacteria base growing, I have greyish-brown in the filter, and the beginnings of a bloom in the water. But, I added 3 small feeder comets yesterday so that there would be ammonia to feed it. (Although I counted at least 10 tiny snails, I didn't think they could produce enough ammonia to maintain the cycle). This morning levels were all good, pH was 7.2, nitrates 10, ammonia .25, water soft, kH moderate, and nitrites 0.

This tank is going to house 3 powder blue paper crayfish that are arriving next week. They don't require a completely cycled tank, so I won't have to wait to introduce them. However, I would like to add something else to the tank to give it additional "flavor." Intially the crayfish will be 2 inches or so, and I don't want to add anything that will eat them. Eventually they may reach 6 inches, at which point I will move them into a larger tank. In the meantime, I was thinking about adding some bloodfin tetras, or possible blind cave tetras. They seem to be available at under 3 bucks a pop, and while they aren't gorgeous, all the online species listings seem to agree that both will tolerate temperatures as low as 64 or 65 fahrenheit. This tank will have no heater, as the crayfish need to be in the 70 to 75 range.

So, my questions and welcome to any input:

Has anyone out there kept crayfish? Kept them with other fish? What kind of other fish? Has anyone kept either of these types of tetras successfully without a heater? Are there any other fish (beyond goldfish) that can be kept successfully within that temp range?

I'm hoping that your experiences might keep me from making mistakes as I go on! Thanks so much for reading this lengthy ramble, and much appreciation all the way around!

Tank Pic Below:

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I would really suggest investing in a heater. It shouldn't cost too much and your fish will thank you. However, if you live in a warm climet or keep the room housing the tank at a hight enough temperature, you may be able to get by without one. However, I always use heater; "better safe than sorry," in case it gets too cold.

The brown algae sound like diatoms to me. It's caused by a lack of light. Most fish won't eat this type of algae growth but you can clean this up during your weakly cleaning/water change.

I haven't kept crayfish so I can't comment on that.

It looks like a great start so far. Best of luck to you!
 
Crayfish tend to be a bigger threat to fish than the other way around (with the exception of puffers and some cichlids). Sleeping fish are often snagged by the nocturnal crayfish. I would avoid anything that has long or flowing fins, and go for fast, small fish. With the temperature range, I would go with 5-6 white clouds. Lovely little fish, will stay near the surface, and fast enough to avoid major predation.

Make sure your decorations are secure--crayfish tend to be bull dozers, and will frequently shred plants as well as knocking things over. I've never had the fancy variety, but the common ones pulled from the creek were absolute terrors, even in a species tank. Plan on upgrading within 6 months--they tend to spar and spat over food, nothing serious, but very disruptive in a small tank.
 
Thanks for the advice. I have a 20 g tank that I should be getting soon, and will set that up for the eventual expansion. I also have a tank separator sheet thingy in case the crays get too cantankerous in the meantime. I wasn't really planning on getting 3 at a pop, but the guy I am ordering from (www.bluecrayfish.com) is cutting me a deal on them, so I figured why not?
 
I got 3 white clouds, they sure are pretty things. I couldn't find any info on them in the species list here, but found a couple of others online. I also planted some crypts as foreground cover. The 3 "cycle" goldfish I initially put in the tank are still in there. They seem to completely ignore the white clouds, but the white clouds follow them around like puppies. I want to remove the goldfish, and as they are feeders I reasonably assumed I could throw 'em in with the Malawi cichlids in my dad's 55 gallon. I tried one, and the cichlids ignored it like crazy. So, after an hour I felt kind of bad about it and returned it to the new tank. No ill effects at all. Kind of amazing really.

Well, still gotta get rid of the goldfish because 1) never intended that they'd be permanent and always assumed the cichlids would appreciate a live treat! & 2) I can already see they're growing AND they eat the food before the white clouds get to it. So, if the cichlids won't take them, I thought I'd see if my son's teacher wants them. He starts kindergarten next week, so I thought I'd check on Open House night. Set the class up with a bowl and a fish or 2 and food.

Should that fail as well, is there some humane way to ease their end? I'm not wanting to flush them, but I figure that if nothing else, the plecos in the cichlid tank would take care of their carcasses. Any thoughts??
 
The cichlids might not have been hungry?

If you can't find a home for them, I am in favor of using a teaspoon of clove oil and the freezer. The clove oil knocks them out, and then freezing kills them. I wouldn't feed the bodies to anything--I'm not a fan of using goldies as feeders, since they offer such poor nutrition and can carry parasites and diseases.
 
why not bring

them back to your local pet store??? they didnt do anything to you to deserve getting killed, they only helped you with your cycling
 
Petsmart won't take them back. They were only .12 cent feeder fish to start with. Petco won't take them because I didn't buy them there. My dad's cichlid LFS won't take them because they also say cichlids shouldn't be fed goldfish (disease, tip my hat to ya Oriongirl). The lfs where I bought the white clouds doesn't carry goldfish, and so won't take them either.
 
I found a taker! My neighbor two houses down keeps a pond and said I could release them there. Is that a better solution?
 
Yep, that should work. If they are mixed gender, they will probably spawn in a pond. Make sure the pond does not have an outlet into a local waterway, and release them in good heart. Make sure to acclimate them in a bucket for a while--the temperature and pH differences could cause problems otherwise.
 
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