Let bygones be bygones, or does it depend what the bygones are?

kimmisc

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I have a very personal dilemma, and by posting it here I'm probably just reinforcing any negative opinions anyone may have of me, but my mom isn't answering her phone and I really need some voices of reason right now.

First of all, my grandmother on my father's side just died this evening. I didn't go up to the hospital after being informed yesterday they didn't expect her to live, and I have barely spoken to my dad in about 8yrs.

History behind this: My parents divorced when I was in my early 20's, and my brother and sister were 10 and 13. My dad was always verbally abusive and controlling, but my mom had some serious mental illnesses (anorexia, depression, hurting herself... I forget the clinical term for that..), so my dad ended up taking the kids. It was all a very ugly ordeal with my dad being angry with me for testifying against him during the custody battles, and being angry with me for renting an appartment for my mom and myself when he kicked her out rather than staying with him and leaving her homeless in the state of being she was in.

During all this, he told everyone on both sides of my family horrible lies about me and mom, like that we were doing drugs and such. Honest to God, I wouldn't know where to get drugs even if I wanted them. He told people I had different men spending nights with me all the time. I was doing 17 credit hours a semester in college and working 32hr weekends as a student xray tech at the time, leaving no time for a beer, much less drugs, parties, or men. Sadly, my grandmother and some of his side of the family were just naive and stupid enough to believe some of these things, and my own grandmother wouldn't even speak to me (the one who just died).

Now my dad is practically eating and smoking himself to death. I'd began speaking to him again, but a few months ago he fell asleep sitting on a barstool in his kitchen, fell back and hit his head on a microwave table on the way to the floor, and sprained his neck. For the next 2 months or so, he tormented my brother (who still lives with him) and sister making them wait on him hand and foot.... they even had to wipe his butt everytime he went to the bathroom. He weighs about 500lbs, and he smokes 2 1/2 cartons of cigs a week. Am I painting a vivid enough picture?

What ended our speaking though was that he was running his mouth about my little brother for going on a date during all this with his g/f. His words.. "That little 'B' ain't good for nothing" about my teenage brother who is doing all the yard work, taking care of the house, cooking all meals, working, and wiping HIS butt everyday. I got into another fight with my dad because I can't stand for him to talk to and about my little brother and sister this way. He bellows, cusses and yells at them all the time. This is how he has always been, and it was very heartbreaking when he got custody of them to begin with. I told him that if he needed care that constantly, he should hire a home healthcare nurse because it wasn't his teenage son's job to do all this 24/7... he has his own life to live. Then I told him he has no business talking about his children the way he does, calling his son a B and calling me a "S" when we're all very good and decent children. I followed that with a "do not call my house again" and that's the last we've spoken.

So now my grandmother, his mother, has died. If you were in my shoes and knew attending this funeral would open that door up again, would you go? If I don't go, that entire side of my family will absolutely hate me for good. If I do go, my toxic father is going to be there trying to push his way back into my life again. I have such confused and mixed feelings right now.. guilt for not wanting to go, a little sadness over her death eventhough we weren't very close, and disgust/nausea at the thought of being around my dad. I hate so much the pressure to do things just because it's what is expected or "the right thing to do." I'm just a horrible person, or horribly confused person, or horribly unconfident about my own judgements.

I'm so sorry that this is such an odd place to post such information, and sorry if it's terribly inappropriate. :\
 
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I don't think anyone can tell you what to do. Sometimes doing what's best for others sake, while not easy, is eventually best for our own hearts and souls. And sometimes doing what's best for our own sake, while not easy either, is also eventually best for our own hearts and souls. A funeral is a time to remember and to say goodbye to a friend, an acquaintance, a loved one. Unfortunately we have little or no control over the actions or words of other people at these functions, only our own, but it is not a place to continue battles or to be unkind. Follow your heart, your conscience. Do what needs to be done to say goodbye, no more, no less, even if it means saying goodbye while standing alone in your room, or standing amongst estranged family. Chin up! Take a deep breath and believe in yourself and take no regrets with you for the new day that will be tomorrow! You will not be alone in spirit no matter which choice you make.
 
I would say go, if you want to, for your own sake; arrive just on time, leave directly after the service, and don't care for who may notice you there or not.

If however after all has been said and done you don't feel anything for your father's mother (and you are perfectly entitled not to) then don't go.

If you feel that by going this poison you describe might come back in your life; I would run a lot of miles from the ceremony.
 
I agree, whether or not its uncomfortable for you, the bigger picture is respect. Do you think it would be valuable to show your respect, regardless of your father. You don't need to be ostentatious but your presence would be noted.
 
When I begin speaking to my dad again, he calls my house all the time, and if I'm not around or don't answer, he leaves angry messages on my phone for not answering his calls. Angry messages as in, he's yelling and cussing at me if he calls 3 times within 2hrs and doesn't get an answer. This is what I don't want to get started again... all the imposing and controlling behavior, ontop of witnessing his mistreatment of my brother and sister. Maybe it's the age difference, but the way he treats them makes me feel the way I imagine it would feel if they were my own children... makes me feel like ripping my dad apart, or somehow making sure they never have to be with him again. So, it's just not a matter of being uncomfortable, but it's also about reopening all this again, or having to tell him no.

My grandma wasn't a very sensitive woman, but atleast it was "cute" and "funny" when the 4'10" granny was cussing up a storm. My dad got it from her obviously, but when she cussed her eyes weren't quivering with rage and her hands weren't around my throat. I love her to an extent, but I haven't cried over her death. If I go, it will only be because I don't want to permanently burn bridges with the rest of my dad's family. Once my dad is gone, I'll probably see my family more if their heads aren't too filled with his nonsense by then.
 
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I am sorry that you have to deal with all of this.

In the big picture of life, a funeral really isn't important. Those who are gone are gone. Not going to a funeral doesn't mean you didn't have respect for your grandmother or anyone else & please don't let anyone tell you otherwise. A funeral isn't really for the dead, it is for the grieving family. You are the one who will have to go on living with the decisions you make, which is why you alone have to make them. If you are that stressed out about it then I don't think you will really gain anything by going. I would skip this one.

On another note, how old are your brother and sister? From the horrors that you describe, I would bet my last dime it would be considered child abuse (if they are under 18). Your siblings should not be living with your father. That is no kind of life for an anyone let alone a kid. My suggestion is that you contact child protective services and allow them to look into it. For the happiness and welfare of your little brother & sister.

You have my sympathy and best of luck. If you want to talk more please feel free to pm me.
 
I am sorry that you have to deal with all of this.

In the big picture of life, a funeral really isn't important. Those who are gone are gone. Not going to a funeral doesn't mean you didn't have respect for your grandmother or anyone else & please don't let anyone tell you otherwise. A funeral isn't really for the dead, it is for the grieving family. You are the one who will have to go on living with the decisions you make, which is why you alone have to make them. If you are that stressed out about it then I don't think you will really gain anything by going. I would skip this one.

On another note, how old are your brother and sister? From the horrors that you describe, I would bet my last dime it would be considered child abuse (if they are under 18). Your siblings should not be living with your father. That is no kind of life for an anyone let alone a kid. My suggestion is that you contact child protective services and allow them to look into it. For the happiness and welfare of your little brother & sister.

You have my sympathy and best of luck.

My brother is now 20 but still living with my dad... I don't understand why, but my brother and sister give in to his guilt trips and pressure. My brother joined the military and says he hopes to get sent overseas away from my dad. I've told my brother he could live with me and I've offered to cosign anything he needs to get him out, but he is scared to tell my dad he's moving out... because my dad "needs" him so much due to his health (morbid obesity, diabetes, and COPD from all the smoking). My sister is now 23 and no longer with him. Okay, I guess that divorce was 10yrs ago, not 8. Time flies. My perspective on it all is much different than theirs. It's as if they don't see just how wrong his actions are, or they don't understand that just because they have his blood doesn't mean they have to let him control them. They know he makes them miserable, but they don't realize it's OKAY to cut him off.

If I'd been the 33yr old adult that I am now, maybe my testimony and descriptions of him would have made the difference, but the things I said made no difference in court. He never flat out punched us, so it's not abusive enough to be taken away apparently. The judge heard in detail the ways my dad treated us, and he handed them right over to him. And if they HAD taken them, it would've been to foster care. What I wanted was for mom to have them so I could continue caring for them. At 23 I didn't have the finances to get the custody myself.
 
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The fact that your father hasn't outright punched any of you doesn't mean he hasn't been an abusive parent. For example, if two parents constantly fight in front of their children - that can be considered child abuse (depending on the severity of course). The verbal abuse, the lying and trashing, the enslaving (that's kind of what it is), having his kids wipe his butt? That is out-and-out abuse. I'm sorry I'm so blunt.

The good news is that your siblings are now adults, and they can leave if they want to. The bad news is that I've read in a few places that people who have been abused by a parent find a way to blame themselves and try to take responsibility. This might explain why they don't see things as harshly as you do. It will probably be hard to make them see the light. Good for you for not falling into the same pattern and getting really sucked into this mess.

But as I mentioned before, I don't see any benefit for you to go to this poisonous funeral. You can go to a church or temple or wherever you feel most comfortable and say goodbye in your own way. Do not let anyone pressure you into anything.

I hope you find some peace with all of this.
 
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