INSANE GLOW IN THE DARK SHRIMP, PLEASE READ!!!

[Robbyman]

as it sit writing this its 1:42am eastern time, and as i lay in my bed going to sleep, i open my eyes and look over to my 40 gallon breeder tank full of my cherry shrimp! as full of it, it sounds i have successfully bred GLOW IN THE DARK SHRIMP!, these shrimp glow permanently without being "charged" from indoor lighting, this is absolutely insane!! and i have currently 3 or more large breeding size shrimp, and several tiny baby sized ones, pleaaase people be patient, and ill upload some photos, this is not a hoaks! i have dont something amazing and i wish to share it with the freshwater industry!!!

i know this is my first post, i have been reading off these forums for info, for many months, but this is something worth sharing, please support me, until i can provide some photos as proof THANKS EVERYONE!!!

[Lupin]

I can't wait to see the pics.:D

:welcome: to AC!

[Yadokari]

Interesting :o

[Robbyman]

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Bob/Desktop/GLOW%20SHRIMP%21.JPG

[Robbyman]

this is the best i could do, SADLY one got stunned when i netted him up, so it was easy to set exposure to 30 seconds and get this picture!! please let me know what you think, this is INSANE!!

[gregm]

how? what you feeding them, etc..

[Robbyman]

im sorry for the repeat posts, but my hearts racing and im shaking im soo exited! i plan on breeding these and having an absolute legal...bio-luminescent shrimp, for everyone!! ill upload more pictures when i can!!!

[Robbyman]

i feed my shrimp Hikari Crab cuisine, boiled spinach, and omega one freshwater flakes, keep in mind there one only 10 or less out of thousands that are like this!!!

[Lupin]

Nice shrimp. It looks so interesting.:)

[ibr3ak]

How far are you from the nearest power plant?

[ibr3ak]

I just had to google phosphorus and fish food, here's one article that talks about phosphates in aquaria:
http://www.algone.com/phosphates.php

I also found that many hikari fish foods contain 1% of phosphorus.

[Robbyman]

lmao, hundreds of miles, my camera is far to crappy to take picture let alone videos of this insane display, i wish i could share the rest of these, they just move too fast, i cannot wait to get these breeding, and for sale! sulawesi shrimp step down!!
ill upload more pictures later! there all very faint, but ill do my best to zoom in!

[Robbyman]

phosphorus should not make anything glow, to what i understand that has nothing to do with this, especially due to the fact only a select few glow, and the glow bright...(in pitch black..)

[ibr3ak]

Actually phosphorus is one of the main elements in all "glow in the dark" products.

[Yadokari]

Wow, that is very interesting... I'm jealous!

[thebullit]

very interesting well done!!!

[Spewn]

Actually phosphorus is one of the main elements in all "glow in the dark" products.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence

From the sounds of the description, this is Chemiluminescence not Phosphorescence. Videos would be great :D

[Reefscape]

Very cool looking shrimp....eery glow to it....

[boomsticks]

Those are the coolest looking things! Too bad my African Clawed Frog (Fudge) would make a quick lunch out of them.

[Robbyman]

i find it hard to beleive eating something "natural" would make something glow, the thing is again, only a select few glow, and glow brightly while 99% of the others...nothing... im going to go to my boss (fish store owner) and buy several tanks, and setups, to start the breeding soon! i have more pictures, but the one youve seen is the best...i think..

[Spewn]

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~ear/sea-glow.html

"Several consumers thought their "glowing" seafood was due to phosphorescing phytoplankton, or even fluorescence. The consumers' seafood products "glowing" in the dark were not due to radiation or to fluorescence, which requires an ultraviolet light to trigger the reaction. These seafood products exhibited luminescence due to the presence of certain bacteria that are capable of emitting light. Luminescence by bacteria is due to a chemical reaction catalyzed by luciferase, a protein similar to that found in fireflies."

[H3D]

Interesting shrimp.

[mphunk]

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~ear/sea-glow.html

"Several consumers thought their "glowing" seafood was due to phosphorescing phytoplankton, or even fluorescence. The consumers' seafood products "glowing" in the dark were not due to radiation or to fluorescence, which requires an ultraviolet light to trigger the reaction. These seafood products exhibited luminescence due to the presence of certain bacteria that are capable of emitting light. Luminescence by bacteria is due to a chemical reaction catalyzed by luciferase, a protein similar to that found in fireflies."

It is either the food they are being fed, an external trigger (power plant was no joke), or a recessive trait that just "sprung up". I wager the food. The trait thing is unbelieveable as a glowing cherry shrimp in the wild is eaten quickly. Plus the strain currently being questioned probably is 100th gen captive bred.

[Spewn]

Only reason I suspect it's not the food is because the OP says they're glowing *constantly*, which suggests chemiluminescence. Phosphorescence would need a visible light source, and fluorescence would need a source of UV light. This is, of course, based upon the OP's description of the glowing.

Not sure exactly *how* a power plant could cause a shrimp to glow, must be some interesting biology behind that theory. I'd love to hear it in detail.

[The Zigman]

I bet its bacteria glowing through the shrimp, rather than the shrimp glowing on thier own.. Ebay them for $20, 000 each before they stop glowing!!!

What color is the glow anyway?

[Spewn]

Bacteria is my bet; Not the first time I've seen them but it would be the first time I've seen them make an organism glow!

There's a reasonable picture of the glowing on the first page of the post. It's not the greatest, but it should give you an idea of the colour.

[pixl8r]

I've read of other instances of this happening to shrimp in aquariums, and yes, the glowing is from bacteria. It is also not the best for the shrimp. If I remember correctly, the glowing shrimp have a shorter life expectancy.

[dixienut]

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Bob/Desktop/GLOW%20SHRIMP%21.JPG

you notice the shrimp its self isn't glowing just the digestive track..and internal organs.

[pixl8r]

Here is more information. I found the following at; http://www.fisheries.go.th/aahri/Health_new/AAHRI/AAHRI/Topics/Newsletter/art6.htm

This is obviously in reference to a different species of shrimp, but I would not go wild and start selling your glowing shrimp. QT them for a while and document how well they survive. You might need to extract a known number of shrimp and put them into a quarantine tank so that you can watch to see if they continue to glow, reproduce, and/or have shortened life expectancies.



Luminescence Disease
Early Macrobrachium larval stages are susceptible to vibriosis caused by Vibrio harveyi. This disease is very common in hatcheries of both freshwater and marine shrimps. The unique clinical sign of this disease is the luminescence of infected larvae which can be observed at night. Infected larvae also show fouling, opacity, swim slowly, aggregration and they ultimately die. Mortalities may reach 100%. In Thailand, luminescent bacteria are often observed in the sea or salt water farms. When this appears, there is almost complete failure of postlarval production at the hatchery. Treating the salt water with chlorine or formalin before use does not seem to be effective during such an incident. Sae-oui et al. (1987) tested antibiotic sensitivity of V. harveyi found in P. merguiensis and reported that the bacterium was sensitive to chloramphenicol and novobiocin but resistant to streptromycin. They also found that the bacteria were completely killed by treating with Ca(HOCl)2 at 20-30 ppm or formalin at 50 ppm.
I also found some references to posts made in another shrimp forum, made by people with shrimp that had similar situations with their shrimp. I'm not sure how acceptable it is to put direct links to threads in other forums so PM me if you're interested in reading them.

[Mgamer20o0]

link them pixl8r better we all learn and credit is given.

[Malefic23]

Who knew you could get shrimp to glow by feeding them radium? Heh, no seriously, that's pretty neat. If it's bacteria, those particular shimp may be predisposed to harboring colonies of it. Try breeding and see if it's passed down to the kids.

[mphunk]

Here is another theory, genetic manipluation. Seems plausable as Cherries breed easily and quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4411-glowing-red-gm-fish-to-sell-in-us.html

[pixl8r]

link them pixl8r better we all learn and credit is given.


OK, here they are.

http://www.petshrimp.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2726&hilit=glow

http://www.petshrimp.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?t=2260&highlight=luminesc%2A

[Sarge_857]

those are some cool shrimp! but i agree its the bacteria.

:iagree:

[Robbyman]

the funny thing i have to say about this decomposing bacteria, that glows, beleive it or not, they lose their flourescence as they die, as i found out last night!!! any more theories?

[Robbyman]

i firmly beleive that this is a true one of a kind living shrimp, swimming around glowing bright, REAL shrimp, also the picture i posted may not show, the digestive track does NOT glow the body and meat of the shrimp does, giving the edges of its shell an unreal look! have to see it in person, sadly i cannot allow anyone in my home

[crazycanuck]

are these related to the 3 eyed fish on the simpsons in any way....

[crazycanuck]

How far are you from the nearest power plant?


lmao first thought to :)

[emptywallet]

i firmly beleive that this is a true one of a kind living shrimp, swimming around glowing bright, REAL shrimp, also the picture i posted may not show, the digestive track does NOT glow the body and meat of the shrimp does, giving the edges of its shell an unreal look! have to see it in person, sadly i cannot allow anyone in my home
just make anybody who wants to see it for 30 bucks and sell them for 500 dollars. What else can make someone glow...your shrimps went tanning :nutkick:

[jflng]

Who knew you could get shrimp to glow by feeding them radium? Heh, no seriously, that's pretty neat. If it's bacteria, those particular shimp may be predisposed to harboring colonies of it. Try breeding and see if it's passed down to the kids.

Yes, perhaps they a carry an affinity for the bioluminescent bacteria, but
I wouldn't place wagers on it.


sadly i cannot allow anyone in my home

Because of the radiation?

[mphunk]

i firmly beleive that this is a true one of a kind living shrimp, swimming around glowing bright, REAL shrimp, also the picture i posted may not show, the digestive track does NOT glow the body and meat of the shrimp does, giving the edges of its shell an unreal look! have to see it in person, sadly i cannot allow anyone in my home


When new species, or variaties, are found they are photograhed and documented with pictures. Find a good camera buddy to help you distribute your find. Otherwise you'll have only the 'trust me' proof.

I would isolate any changes in enviornment, including water parameters and diet. It sounds like this shrimp just began showing this morph? If so what caused the change.

[Robbyman]

ok so what i have found in the last 2 days, is that, the shrimp themselves harbor this ability to glow, not a bacteria built up, shortly after a shrimp expires, the brightness fades... till it appears to be a slightly pale cherry shrimp!

if this was a simple bacteria ALL or most of my shrimp should have this attribute! only 1% or less do!

I feed same things other folks have fed their shrimp with no exceptions, plus if i had, all or most shrimp would appear altered!

these shrimp compared to normal cherry shrimp in daylight, appear to be paler, pinkish orange, and far more active at night!

i have counted now at least 3 breeding sized females! and i have located at least 1 large male, i intend to breed these, and feed them any foods you all deem "normal" and ill keep you all updated!

just keep in mind weirder things have happened in nature, cherry shrimps reproductive cycle is soo fast the odds of a mutation like this was bound to happen, sooner rather then later, for example how many color variations are now found of this shrimp, this is just another outstanding variation, that has nothing to do with outside forces, although if i stand corrected through the next few months, ill inform everyone it was a mistake!

at this point there is too much info pointing in the direction that this IS a true mutation, that the Shrimp themselves are harboring this new and exiting trait..

like i said ill keep everyone updated, and come a point where their ability to reproduce this trait in their young, consistently, ill possibly be shipping these out to the highest bidder, of course after i confirm my own suspicion

....well thanks for the support.. i guess

ill keep you updated..

[Mgamer20o0]

how about pics of the adults in the day.... more pics would help

[Hollygirl]

Pictures would be great! Day and night shots. I think all of us here can't wait for that - good luck!

[Robbyman]

the thing is that these shrimp are in a tank with others nearing 500 or more, so the only way i can be certain ive gotten a glow shrimp, is by catching them at night, and photographing them with a bright flash,ill get right on it, im in the process of building up my 210, so im pre-occupied, ill keep you all updated! with pics when possible!

[Mgamer20o0]

if you want to breed that line best to pull them and put them in their own tank

[lymabean]

no kidding, huh? Weird. See if it breeds true. Then cross breed those cherries with snowballs, and see if you can make those glow also lol. If you do get these things to breed, I see a lot of money in your future....

[Gary Powers]

I know you didn't ask for my opinion and no one more then I (well maybe you) would love a world where shrimp start glowing spontaneously but regrettably this is not evolution; it's bacteria.



if this was a simple bacteria ALL or most of my shrimp should have this attribute! only 1% or less do!

That is like saying every disease strikes every organism in the same way, at the same time, and has the same symptoms. What you're not allowing for is Bio diversity - different individuals of the same species will have different immune response capabilities. Some are healthier then others some are weaker - the weaker get sick. And then there is the bacterial life cycle, necessary environment, etc.




just keep in mind weirder things have happened in nature, cherry shrimps reproductive cycle is soo fast the odds of a mutation like this was bound to happen, sooner rather then later ...

So you are proposing that over the millennia that this organism has been around, and the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of captive specimens that it not only has had this random multi-allelic mutation happened once but four times and only in your tank and your tank alone?

Sorry but it's bacteria.

Here is how to culture the bacteria at home:
http://www.splammo.net/bact102/102lumbact.html
Give the link a read it's interesting, especially where they extract the original bacteria from.

Also please do a Google search for "glowing shrimp bacteria" and look at the links and then look at the 'images' - there are a lot of good articles and a few pictures of glowing shrimp.

Having said that it, all is not lost, as it would be interesting for you to track down and see how the bacteria got there and if you can replicate the circumstances. If you can consistently induce glowing in shrimp then that is a product people will buy!

PS - If you do put the "magic Shrimp Glow Powder" on the market I want my cut :)

PPS - the reason the glow fades after the shrimp dies is because there is nothing left for the bacteria to feed on. The very fact that the glow doesn't stop the instant the shrimp dies shows that the shrimp isn't producing the glow.

[pixl8r]

I am also convinced that the glow is caused biologically (via bacteria), not from any interbred mutation or food. I did not want to cause an argument by taking over the thread, so I stated my opinion, and evidence.

The only glowing animals that have been bred, or created, by man have been from gene splicing. They are also closely guarded, to prevent the introduction of such genetic 'monsters' from being released into wild populations. The species of glowing pig is only housed in laboratory conditions. The fish species is sold in Japan, but they are unable of reproduction.

Those I mentioned, and other flora gene splicing instances, I know of no instances of spontaneous luminescence of any species of flora or fauna. Only the introduction of foreign genes (from animals such as jelly fish), have caused self lumination within animals.

Breeding traits, such as glowing, into any animal by selective breeding, when the trait does not exist at all in the wild, is not possible. The gene has to come from somewhere. Scientists can not use the process(es) by which nature (insert your personal theory of evolution) causes mutation, resulting in new species and genetic traits. Animal husbandry is very well documented, and understood. I have been breeding shrimp, and other animals, for many decades. I've studied genetics and animal husbandry, even in college, most of my life. I am not basing my opinion on idle speculation. I don't want to cause an argument, or flame war. I do wish to educate and further the hobby of breeding invertebrates. Please continue to document your findings and post them here.

[OhioOilMan]

haha nuclear shrimp!!!!!!!!

[Danimal62]

Robby,
While I would like to believe that this is a genetic mutation, you have said nothing that would lead me to believe that it is. It sounds more like bacteria than anything else. I am not 100% discounting the possibility, but it doesn’t sound good.

Have you separated the "glowing" shrimp from the others yet?

[cheeseb0y]

Bacteria or Hoax. The singularity of the pictorial evidence combined with the existence of photoshop and the posters devotion to the idea of it being a genetic mutation screams TROLL.

The evidence stacking up for a possible bacterial cause is, i'd say, equally likely.

Either way the poster needs to separate them out and see what happens, as well as using that as a picture opportunity.

[Robbyman]

hey all, sorry for not responding in a loong time, i have been expanding my boss's stores, and looking into other types of shrimp, i purchased a new camera for the purpose of gettin better pictures, but simple cannot help, ill be honest, it dosent not seem like many are glowing anymore... ive seen one.. in the last month, glowing fairly brightly... and very lively! simply too hard to photo at any rate, i wish i could tell you whats going on, i constantly change their diet, and always at least one or two glow, upon the initial post i have between 10 and 20, im doing my best to try to figure this out...

[lymabean]

well gl with them, and congrats on the new cam lol.

[1oooop]

I wish you very good luck, you can maybe sell them as glowing shrimp, and everybody would want one : ) sell each for 20$ : ) good profit

[thebullit]

hope things pick back up mate. would love to see some pic's.

[bluekrissyspike]

it would be really cool if there was a strain of glow in the dark shrimp...any one here good at science?

[DAVIDFBT]

That would be cool to show to your friends, glow in the dark shrimp. I'd like to see the day when there are genetically modified glow in the dark fish that are red, green, or yellow.

Oh wait...

[black_sun]

That would be cool to show to your friends, glow in the dark shrimp. I'd like to see the day when there are genetically modified glow in the dark fish that are red, green, or yellow.

Oh wait...


Glo-Fish! ... I miss my glo-fish.

[Robbyman]

i have shown people in my area, and its hard to beleive, but once people see them in person the reactions are phenomenal! personally i have never seen anything like this in person, the sad thing is they arent bright enough to see with much ambient light, it needs to be nearly pitch black, but once it is, its amazing

i really hope to produce some good pictures even if this is just a fluke, or something in my water, its fun none the less

[red_wall]

Awh darn, I was excited for a second.. till you smarties ruined my glo-shrimp excitement with facts : /

haha, hope the shrimp are actually a new strain, make sure to send me some if they are :]

[Ajordan]

No offense meant here but I can't believe how many people are taking this at face value... maybe I'm missing sarcasm or something.

Instead of searching for a cause I searched for another instance of glowing shrimp. Aside from the decaying shrimp I found this species (many will recognize 2/3 of the name) mentioned in this article:

Neocaridina denticulata fluorisis - http://www.nokomiseast.org/yard/light/glowinthedark.html

Even that article doesn't make me a believer.

I hope your glow shrimp are real but I have my doubts... but if they are and have been around since April, even if they are the only ones to ever exist, it is a shame to keep them in hiding.

[1oooop]

hope you have too much luck.. that they overflow your tank.. so you'd have to give some away...

[jpappy789]

Kind of an old thread but I don't believe this is a new "strain" of fish. Pix said it well, these things just don't happen.

[Guppy Guy]

i hope it is theys are so cool

[H3D]

I wonder if the name GloShrimp has been taken yet?

[jpappy789]

Kind of an old thread but I don't believe this is a new "strain" of fish. Pix said it well, these things just don't happen.
edit: make that new strain of shrimp......:wall:

[thebullit]

lol

[jpappy789]

lol
Can you tell I don't talk a lot about inverts? Everything I say is fish :grinyes:

[1oooop]

meh... let's come up with a name for it

[excuzzzeme]

This has been a nice fairy tale. I got a bridge for sale too, but I can't let you into the house to see it either. You just have to take my word for it as my camera just doesn't work right when I try to photograph it.

[mcdanielnc89]

the thing is that these shrimp are in a tank with others nearing 500 or more, so the only way i can be certain ive gotten a glow shrimp, is by catching them at night, and photographing them with a bright flash,ill get right on it, im in the process of building up my 210, so im pre-occupied, ill keep you all updated! with pics when possible!

Sounds to me u just want us to believe you without the proof. I myself thingk yu are just playing a game with it. To be honest, that first picture u posted looks photoshopped.


This has been a nice fairy tale. I got a bridge for sale too, but I can't let you into the house to see it either. You just have to take my word for it as my camera just doesn't work right when I try to photograph it.

Exacly!!!

[1oooop]

meh, if it's a scam, ns job, you really convinced me