what will go with a jaguar in 125G tank

[proycraft]

i ve posted earlier that iam getting a 125G tank and i dont know what fish that i have to put in it my jag is too mean to put in with any of my other fish so what can i get to put in with him

[ChilDawg]

Maybe a pleco. I would hardly recommend anything else with a Jag...remember that they don't "need" tankmates and that they can be more interactive for you without tankmates!

[proycraft]

see thats just it i dont want a big 125G tank for one fish. if i cant get anything to go with the jag i'll put my other south / central american fish in there and will sell the jag

[LindaD]

What about a pair of Jags? Maybe breed them...

[DarthV]

I'd definitely say go for a breeding pair :)

[ChilDawg]

You think that'll work for a breeding pair? If one's ready and the other one isn't, there might be some problems in such a small tank. Just a thought...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[proycraft]

i dont really want a breeding pair, but if i cant find anything that will go with him then i might do that

[ChilDawg]

Well, Cons might...Plecos might...you'll need hiding places for any of them...Red Devils will probably hold their own...Dempseys might, and Texans might. However you will have to add filtration and change water more often. You are also going to have to remove the Jag for a bit...let me explain:

1.) Quarantine new fish for one month.
2.) Remove Jag.
3.) Add decorations.
4.) Introduce newbie.
5.) Put Jag back in about a half hour later.

This way the Jag doesn't have a concept of "his" territory because the markers have changed. This may reduce aggression. Be warned, though, if any of these fish are adults, they may not be friendly!

[DarthV]

Cons are definitely resilient... a gaggle of male cons might work. Wonder how salvini would do, but then again you'd probably never see them if they were afraid of the jaguar.

[mickey]

You might want to try a trimac or a green terror with the jag.
It might help to introduce them the way childawg suggested.
[SOUND ADVISE CHILDAWG]
Cheers.

[proycraft]

i was thinking buttikoferi he's big and aggerssive but dont know how aggerssive, and he's from a river in africa but the water specs are about the same on this website. is he to far out of line for the jag? is there another site to get info on the buttikoferi

[dave76]

I would say that the only suitable tankmate would be a female, you might have to keep a divider on hand to keep them from roughing each other up too much. The jag by nature is piscivourous so thinking you can keep another fish with it in all likely hood is just getting an expensive feeder.

[mickey]

Originally posted by proycraft
i was thinking buttikoferi he's big and aggerssive but dont know how aggerssive, and he's from a river in africa but the water specs are about the same on this website. is he to far out of line for the jag? is there another site to get info on the buttikoferi

This is a very aggressive fish also,
try a Google search on it, lots of info to be obtained.
Cheers.

[ChilDawg]

Nasty, nasty fish. They might beat up a Jag, and the two are too big to be plopped down in a 125.

http://www.*****************/catalog_pages/cichlids_african/buttikoferi.htm

[proycraft]

i dont know what iam going to do

[ChilDawg]

We'll try to help you...don't give up quite yet!

[peifc]

This kind of question, I think it is best that you ask predatorcichlid, one of the members here.

IMO, GT, Con, JD, Texas cichlid, and Salvini will get killed. Unless you have a 180g tank, they PROBABLY will survive. All these cichlids have been overated regarding their temper.

IMO, cichlids that will survive Jag are Midas, Red Devil, Buttikoferi, Trimac, some Vieja, other kind of Parachromis, Red Terror (festae), Beani, Haitiensis, and some other more aggressive cichlids. However, have to take 125g tank into consideration. If you want Buttikoferi, that thing will grow to 16". 2 big fishes in that 125g tank...I don't know how well that can work. Unless you have planned to put in divider, one that can hold their charges and weight.

[dave76]

I would go for the pair, If you ever get tired of them you could sell them to a LFS and make money. That and I bet there are a lot more people that want jag fry than convict fry. You might even make money on that. Just more work.

[proycraft]

i havent given up yet. whats a beani and Haitiensis never heard of them. midas and red devils just look funny to me. red terror is very cool looking

dividers IMO are pointless if the fish are not compatible then dont put them in the same tank. thats why i asked this question

[ChilDawg]

The guys on www.predatoryfish.net/ibforums can tell you much more about these things...these are fish with which many of us are unfamiliar, I suspect. Haitiensis (Black Nasties) are evil, rarer fish that live in brackish water.

[predatorcichlid]

First Off, a jaguar is not good cichlid to attempt a community tank with. I know to you a 125 is a huge tank. But as far as mixing large, predatory, CA cichlid it is the bare minimum. Some questions for you. Is you jag a Male? Do you have previous experience keeping a larger predatory cichlids in a community system? Do you have working knowledge of how to curb cichlid aggression by using rock work, decor and Line of site surpression? If you never hard this before don't let it scare you off it's not that hard. I keep a male jag, male trimac, male midas, in a 265 with NO problems. In fact my midas was just at a show with not even a spit fin. It can be done. I'm just trying to get a feel for your experience level and what we are dealing with, so I'm not wasting time telling you things you already know. I can tell you that a male jag can and may take over a 125 gal. tank with no problem.

[proycraft]

ok, he's my first predator but i do have other cichlid tanks with five differant types of fish. the jag, a male, is in a tank with a pike who i made places for him to hide and the jag can't get to. I knew the jag was not regular community fish, but i didnt know about the line of site and using rock set up to lessen aggerssivness. i kinda figured if he can see them then its not a problem, so i tried to set up the rocks and drift wood in that way. but i think he is use to the pike cause he really doesnt bother him.

[Harry Tolen]

I do not think it would be a good idea to try and mix any cichlids with a Jag in a tank that size. However, a large pleco or two and a trio of large synodontis catfish would probably be able to hold their own, provided they had a lot of driftwood for cover, and they would liven up the tank quite a bit. The larger synodontis species include: angelicus, acanthomias, decorus, schall, and ornatipinnis.

[predatorcichlid]

Being a established male in a 125 there is a very good chance he will not tolorate anything. I have also found that most jaguars do not tolorate bottom feeders/catfish well either. I will tell you this. Pike cichlids do not receive punishment well. The pike is outmatched, trust me remove him. If the jag was a female I would recommend trying another robust cichlid like a midas, trimac, or large nasty male taxas. But being a male jag in 125 the risk to other cichlids is too great. It sounds like even though you have all the bases covered in trems of rock work and aggression control the tank is his. This happens all to often where guapotes are involved. About the only thing I could recommend is Start over with 2 small cichlids (1.5 to 3 inches) and grow them up together this helps them accept one another. Or if you want cichlid community try less terratorial SA cichlids like severum, chocolate cichlids, green terrors and you already have a pike cichlid.

[proycraft]

sorry i didnt make myself clear the jaguars is in a 55G tank right now i havent gotten the 125G yet. and he has somewhat grown up with the pike. the jag is about 7 inch, is he consitered an adult now.

[ChilDawg]

May as well be...and that pike might be in trouble soon...

[peifc]

Fully grown Jag is 12"-14". You should check predatorcichlid website for more information. You can also look at www.aquamojo.com. Even though information isn't very detail, both websites give you some idea what full grown Jag looks like.

[ChilDawg]

You'll have to re-write the name of the site.

www.aquamojo.com

At what point does the territoriality level of the adult Jags set in?

[proycraft]

if i get a pair of jag's are they going to like my convicts do after they mate and attack each other, that would really suck. and would stop feeding him live food lessen his aggeration
here's a pic of him
[/URL]http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=2674798&uid=1404071&members=1

[Lila]

I noticed that ChiliDawg said you have to decorate the tank.....
Don't bother with plants, real or fake!! The jag will just tear them up.

If you were to decorate the tank then add the Jag..he will rearrange it to what he wants. Our's has moved large rocks and relocated the gravel and destroyed plants. We tried making caves with the rocks....he knocked them down and moved them.

Also, if you moved the pike into the 125 with the Jag...the pike could very well be in alot of trouble. The Jag will try to claim the whole tank as his. I agree what Chili said about the pike with the jag in the 125.
I watched our Jag try to burry the two fish we had in the tank before him. I removed them since they shouldn't have been there in the first place. (Husband's work there)

[ChilDawg]

Good catch, Lila...yeah, plants and Jags don't mix!

I'm a fan of big, solitary cichlids, so I would still recommend keeping the Jag alone, and I'm glad to hear that Lila agrees!

[peifc]

Was the question direct at me, Chil? I do not understand that post there :) A bit confused. Who cares about the name of the site. It is the pictures I like to look at. :p Who would not like to see Jag on action? :)

Even if you plan for breeding pair, you might want to be ready for divider, proy.

[ChilDawg]

Oh, I just meant that clicking on your link would lead you to a nonexistant site as you have an extra period in the hyperlink. I meant the question to be directed at all, but if you have insight into the issue, go for it! :)

[optix]

Ahh I see my comrades took care of this one already. Good job peifc and predatorcichlid :P

[peifc]

Originally posted by ChilDawg
Oh, I just meant that clicking on your link would lead you to a nonexistant site as you have an extra period in the hyperlink. I meant the question to be directed at all, but if you have insight into the issue, go for it! :)

That's not my site. That's MoJo's site. I checked his site out sometimes...just looking for some updated pic. :)

Yeah...at first, I thought that's what you mean. Then I clicked on that site I typed in...it came up. That's why I got confused by your question. I think your internet is just EXTRA sensitive :D

[ChilDawg]

I guess so...periods have thrown others off with different sites, though...maybe you just have a good connection where you are! :)

[peifc]

Originally posted by ChilDawg
I guess so...periods have thrown others off with different sites, though...maybe you just have a good connection where you are! :)


:p I guess I do.

[proycraft]

k back to the subject. ok i saw on the predatory fish site that this guy has pics os convicts in with his jag. and his cons. are smaller than mine and his jag is bigger than mine, do you think my pair will survive with him or iam thinking to just get a female