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kcress
06-13-2008, 5:33 PM
As we all should know there are bacteria that convert animal waste to poisonous ammonia. There's another bacteria that then converts the ammonia to poisonous nitrite. And yet another wonderful bacteria that converts nitrite to non-poisonous nitrate. These are the basis of our systems. Without these guys we would not be able to maintain our tanks.

We are often shackled to lots of expensive water changes to deal with this resulting nitrate. It's not poisonous but it does promote major algae growth. Well there is yet another bacteria we can press into service for converting the nitrate into nitrogen gas. However unlike all the aforementioned aerobic bacteria this bacteria is anaerobic. It hates air. Air will kill it or push it into dormancy. I suspect that if it is drowning in nitrogen (which is 78% of our air) it may not be able to make more nitrogen. Rather like the yeasts that make beer essentially killing themselves as they increase the alcohol content of their surroundings.

To provide the correct environment for this bacteria a relatively recent development has been the use of Deep Sand Beds (DSBs). The theory being that under 7 or 8 inches of sand there is so little oxygen available, due to poor water circulation, that this de-nitrating algae can do its magic. I've never tried this.

As some of you know I have high nitrates. Recent tests show them to be well in excess of 500ppm I cannot dilute further with my equipment than 10 to 1 and with my tank water diluted at 10 to 1 my reading is over 160ppm. This means my ppm may actually be around 1600ppm.

This is my diluted 1/10 test.
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I also have 200 lbs of crushed coral... I prefer the look and the animal habitat crushed coral provides, but it obviously also creates a lot of nitrates.

What to do..?

Turns out you can actually use this nitrate gobbling bacteria in a different manner than with just a DSB. You can build a BioReactor, a device that is designed to help this bacteria flourish and do its magic. At least this is the theory.

Let's give it a try.

In a nut shell you make a tube charged with sulfur. The bacteria uses the sulfur to do its thing. You circulate water around and around in it over and over. Eventually the environment becomes anaerobic to the point that the bacteria of choice becomes content and flourishes. They promptly gobble up the available nitrate and generate nitrogen. Once this occurs the bacteria will starve and die. So to prevent this and to actually get the desired job done you let a very small amount of your tank water into and obviously back out of your bioreactor. More on this as we go along.

Here's my NitrateBioReactor build:

Here's the stuff I started with. Some things changed as the build proceeded. I'm going to use LSM sulfur. There is actually another brand that is supposedly pre-inoculated with the correct bacteria, but it costs an absurd amount of money in my opinion. It's larger pellets which are more desired but we'll see.
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I found this cool flange that is called a test flange. It comes pre-sealed so pressure testing can be done without plugs being needed.
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The flange has this tab on it that the plumber is supposed to grab with pliers and rip out after testing. The tab actually sticks above the plane which would cause a nasty rocking situation. I used a razor knife to carve the tab below grade.
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Pipe glued to flange.
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Here's the diffusion plate to keep the media from plugging the recirc port. I Punched it out with my CNC router. First plexy I ever routed. Went off without a hitch. I was stoked! You can of course just use a drill and a saw to make one too! I glued a single rod on it to stand it off the column's bottom. This turned out to be a major sadistic nightmare. I was never able to stick it all the way down the pipe even after about 30 attempts. I finally snapped off the peg. I took a piece of schedule 120 PVC 1-1/2". I drilled it full of a million holes. I dropped it down the barrel. When I had it fairly centered I dropped the plate down the hole. This was followed by a ScotchBrite disk. I followed that with a layer of Matrix. Then a homogenized 50/50 mix of matrix and sulfur up to the top. Followed by another ScotchBrite disk.
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Here's the upper port inside and outside views.
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Vent inside/outside. The vent allows you to bleed off the nitrogen that can become trapped at the top of the column. Perhaps every day at one feeding. I am hoping that the nitrogen just leaves out my effluent drip line.
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Finished product. My outlet is at the bottom. The inlet is the top. No external pump needed as long as the unit is below the tank.
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Now the unit is hooked up, charged with tank water and the outlet is set to drip one drop per second. What will be seen is in about three days the bacteria will start to establish itself. When it does this the effluent coming out will start increasing from non-detectable amounts of nitrite to 1ppm even up to 4ppm of nitrite. Since it is just a drop a second though your tanks normal nitrite to nitrate bacteria should convert this to nitrate with no detectable rise in your tank's nitrite levels. If you actually end up with nitrite over 3 or 4 ppm coming out you can test your tank's water just to be sure. There are other tricks like running this whole thing in a pail to avoid nitrite into your tank but this should NOT be necessary and adds complexity.

After a day or so the nitrite effluent should drop to undetectable levels and then the magic happens as the nitrate level of the effluent will next drop dramatically. If lucky it drops to zero. This means nitrate in - zero nitrates out! Eventually your tank nitrates will diminish to a very low level depending on your nitrate sources.

As the nitrate level in the outlet drops you need to increase the flow thru the Bioreactor. If yo don't you will start to starve the thriving bacteria and it will die. When this is occurring yo will start to smell hydrogen sulfide. (rotten eggs). Each day you can increase your drip rate by a drip/minute up to about a good dribble.

As your tank's nitrate heads to zero you will also start to starve the bacteria. You then have two choices. One is to take the unit off line. Flush it with RO water and leave it for another time. Or remove media. Idealy you get the media level correct for your tanks actual nitrate production llevel to keep things balanced and steady.

A successful NitrateBioReactor will reduce your need for water changes dramatically. Yo should still do them but you will be able to do them less often or of smaller size.

Ok now for my results.


After 48hrs, no sign of anything happening at 1 drip/min.

After 72hrs a measurable nitrite level has shown up. 1ppm.
No obvious nitrate level drop. But then it needs to drop possibly 1400ppm before my test picks it up as anything other than overrange.

After 96hrs WOW!!! My nitrate effluent is now at 60ppm!! I am amazed. The nitrite is still at 1ppm. No concern to me. I have just turned up the flow to 2 drops per second.

Stay tuned.

kcress
06-14-2008, 9:08 PM
My output is now 40ppm.

1600/40 = 40X reduction in nitrate.

noskimmer
06-14-2008, 10:16 PM
That is most impressive! no VERY IMPRESSIVE! Well done. Good well founded simple principles used based on good information.

Well done again!

kcress
06-14-2008, 10:21 PM
To be honest, I too am most impressed. To think I've made things deliberately odd to make some strange Cooties happy and they are in turn making me happy. We kind of take the standard bacteria for granted but I look at my running reactor and realize there is an obscure form of life in there that is making it all happen. Life is amazing.

kcress
06-15-2008, 6:04 PM
Nitrites out are now 0ppm
and nitrate is ~7ppm

I'll be turning up the flow again.

noskimmer
06-17-2008, 5:12 AM
So I wonder what the maximum flow to nitrate reduction would be? Although, at the rates of decrease that you are experiencing it doesn't seem to really be an issue. As you would know I still have zero nitrates with no water change. I do understand peoples rational in saying that water changes are essential for essential element replenishment, but are we not introducing this in the form of food, as we do with our own diets and body needs? And, well.. you know how I feel about skimmers. I think you have done a fantastic job. Keep us posted.

kcress
06-17-2008, 5:31 PM
Hi noskimmer!

I am still in awe of your tank.
I'd like to review it again. Where is a thread on it?

Here's an update.

When I first fired this thing up I didn't feel good about the intake being just a piece of 1/4" tubing dipping into my tank. I figured something would would get sucked up it. Like pods or algae. So I put one of those throwaway polyester bubble stones on the inlet.

Yesterday the reactor's recirc pump started cavitating and the flow went slow. I'd open up the valve more and get it back to the flow I had. Then in thirty minutes it was dribbling nothing. After about 5 bad starts I pulled that filter off. And suddenly the flow hextupled and the cavitation stopped, in a few seconds.

I was surprised that little filter clogged in a mere week. I can't even blow thru it.

So I changed to a grate type filter. The type you might see on the bottom of a powerhead.

I then set the flow way up.

It's running at 90ml/min or 5.4L/hr or 1.43gal/hr

The nitrites are running undetectable and the nitrate at the output are 80ppm. Since this a 95% reduction from the tank water I am quite happy.

Once the tank gets down to 100ppm I should be seeing only 5ppm coming out of the reactor. Could be less, I may not have my math squared up correctly.

I think there is a calculator around that calculates how long it would take to process all the tank water.. Wish I knew where to find it.

Cheers!

kcress
06-18-2008, 9:15 PM
At the aforementioned flow rate my output nitrate has plunged to 20ppm. 1600ppm in 20ppm out.

noskimmer
06-19-2008, 5:34 AM
I have to do an update on my water change thread, you can find it by clicking on my avatar and look for posts started by noskimmer.

One thing I did think about is, that nitrate turns into hydrogen sulfide, which in the case of live sand, slowly bubbles out. You can also see the bubbles under the sand against the glass and will often get a bunch released when a clarke decides to do that brisk swim thing without moving to disturb the sand..

Anyway.. I'm wondering, where would the gas escape in your setup?

kcress
06-19-2008, 6:01 AM
I believe it is supposed to actually leave as nitrogen.
You only get hydrogen sulfide if the nitrogen bacteria is starving to death. This happens in reactors like mine as you can get a whooping colony going then restrict flow and starvation starts. This shouldn't happen in a DSB.

As you know HS is very very smelly. If you had any at all you can smell it easily. Our noses are really sensitive to it in low quantities. It is also substantially more poisonous than hydrogen cyanide. They were going to use HS in gas chambers for execution but decided it would be cruel and inhuman punishment. Only relatively recently did they find out that our sense of smell is completely overwhelmed by high concentrations of HS and we actually stop smelling it in lethal quantities.

The built up gas in my column is supposed to exit out a valve at that top most port but I have actually never released any there. I suspect it is being entrained and leaves out the outlet.

Reefscape
06-19-2008, 6:47 AM
A superb build thread mate....very impressed at your work and documentation...Threads like these are absolutly great for other people who are interested in building equiptment...I'll add this to the sticky list if you like?

Let me know..

pistolpete3521
06-19-2008, 2:26 PM
Are things living in your tank at 1600 ppm ?

kcress
06-19-2008, 5:57 PM
Have at it Reefscape. I would be honored!

pistolpete3521; Yes. At this time two 11 year old large fish. Yellow Tang and an Angle fish of some sort.
A cowry and twelve million pods.

The bio reactor is still putting out 20ppm
I just measured my tank for the first time since the start. My tank is down from +1600ppm to exactly 200ppm. BOOyah!

Reefscape
06-19-2008, 6:10 PM
Have at it Reefscape. I would be honored!


Awsome...Added it to the Equiptment Section.....Thanks

kcress
06-20-2008, 5:23 PM
Update:

18th day since I started the Bio Reactor up.

Here is the reactor's output.
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Here is what my tank is at now, (this is straight tank water no dilution).
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I wonder if I will need to actually reduce my media further to prevent starvation...

The output is about 7.4ph which has brought my tank down to 7.6ph

Now that the conversion rate is going to drop I wonder if the output ph will rise. I also wonder if the 200 pounds of crushed coral will rise to the occasion and bring the ph back up. Any suggestions on that guess? Sadly I didn't measure my tank's original ph before running the reactor for a week. (dang!)

kcress
07-27-2008, 7:22 PM
UPDATE:

After about two months my tank nitrate levels started to fluctuate up and down about 30ppm. (60~30ppm).

The output readings were all over the place. I began to suspect the API test kit. I reviewed my test procedures. I tried other test kits. They seemed to agree.

The tests showed continued nitrite in the output. (1ppm)
I never really saw what I would call a lot of gas. Daily 'bleed offs' were never needed.

I finally came to the conclusion that the fauna in my column was not right. There are subtle battles going on in the microbial world and I believe the ones I was rooting for... lost.

Since I'd deviated from the quasi standard of pretty much only sulfur by including a whole lot of matrix I decided to change things.

I pulled my reactor out of service and cracked it open. I pulled everything out and washed it all in the driveway. I washed all the sulfur out of the matrix and returned the dried matrix to its original container.

I reinstalled the bottom diffusion plate, a media pad on top of that. And then pure sulfur, about half a gallon of the LSM.

I decided some of the bacteria I was seeking would probably be in the bottom of my existing crushed coral base. I got one cup of my base from as far down as I could get it. It was nasty dirty. I poured it in at the top of my column. My theory being that my column was going to select for the bacteria most suited for my sulfur bed. Hopefully it would be the ones I needed.

I followed that cup of CC with a stack of about 3 Scotch Brite pads to prevent the sulfur and the CC from being physically circulated thru my recirculating pump. Even more important is to keep the bed held together solidly. If the particles of your bed can move in any way then they are ground into mush. Sulfur is soft and will turn rapidly to mush if it is agitated. This is bad. You don't want that.

On the top of my last stack of Scotch Brite pads I cut a short piece of the remaining pump inlet hose, (you see in the pictures). I laid this hose on the top of the pads so when I screw the top cap on the hose will be pushed down on the pads holding the stack together snugly - no motion.

I put the unit back in service.
The bottom most outlet is my return to the tank. This is because the bottom of my reactor is where the circulating pump pressure is the highest. This means a line brought back to my tank above the water level will actually provide a discharge. This means either top port can act as the suction drawing tank water into the reactor.

This is the opposite from what I originally envisioned. I initially tried to use the second port down as the outlet. This required an external pump to force water into the bottom - an area of higher pressure.

So to repeat:
Top most port nitrogen outlet bleed. Normally valved off.

Second port down is the column inlet. Water from the tank. Fully open but with a strainer in the tank.

Bottom port is the outlet. It has a valve to control the flow rate out of the bio-reactor back to the tank. (and hence to the reactor from the tank too)

So back to the rebuilt/stacked column:
The first day there was little occurring. The next 24 hrs found my bio reactor's pump cavitating. Because of the clear tubing I could see a huge amount of bubbles being sucked into its inlet. I opened the bleed port and could feel gas coming out. I discovered if I held that tube under my tank's surface I could get a better feel for how much gas. It was about a 1/3 cup.

The next day I was occupied and didn't notice that the pump was fully cavitating and virtually no circulation was occurring. I promptly vented. WOW! It was about 2 cups of gas and there was hydrogen sulfide! I saw this as a great indicator that I had the right bacteria now. About 4 hours later the cavitation was back. Another two cups! No hydrogen sulfide. Another 4 hours and another two cups of gas. This got to where every couple of hours I had to bleed to prevent cavitation.

I measured the output but my tests are now very strange. The first half of the API nitrate test turns the water a burnt orange. This invalidates the test as color is what the test is all about. I don't know what causes this.

I switched to just measuring the tank nitrate. In couple of days it was down to 10ppm in a another 3 days it was down to Z E R O. It now tests zero. Always. The gas production has almost stopped. I haven't had cavitation in a week. Today I bled it just to see. I think there was about 3ml of gas. This perfectly squares with the zero nitrate. There is so little nitrate that there is no nitrogen gas.

It should be noted that on this second run I have never run at anything but 1 drip per second.

I have also noticed the water is much more fizzy! Like just after a water change.

I suspect the low flow rate (1dps) has prevented the huge colony die off that might normally occur when the food(nitrate runs out).

Changes I would make? The required bleed offs were annoying/demanding. If my reactor had more head space at the top inside above the pump suction port then more gas could accumulate before gas would reach the pump. This would make the column taller though.. Now it is not an issue. But you might consider that in your efforts.

Once the tank is low in nitrates you probably don't need a very big column.

If you make your own bio-reactor realize that the outlet can be from anywhere on it that works for you. This is because any actual drip into the column makes hundreds of passes before exiting it.

Morgadeth
08-19-2008, 11:47 AM
Very cool build thread..
I would recommend adding some sort of schematic drawing (cross section) for better clarification on the assembly, and how the final product should be assembled..