Questions about Angels

[cmartin]

I have 3 marbled angles. They were just dime sized when I bought them just before Christmas. Then I found that the new Rams in the same QT tank had worms (Camallanus) and so on with rounds of treatments. After that I wanted to be sure to QT long enought to be sure everyone was healthy.

Then I noticed the smallest of the 3 (still very small) was not greeting me when I fed them and was hiding. I also noticed that the top fin was torn. I thought that perhaps the other two were pairing up. I decided to move the 'little one' into my main tank. It is very quiet community in there... but not a lot of places for an Angel to hide. It seemed to be very stressed out even two days later so I setup another tank. I try to keep an extra filter running on one of my tanks so that I can setup quickly.

Now the littlest Angel and the second largest share a 40 Gal and the third - a monster in size compared to the other two - rules his own 40 Gal.

I think they are fantasic fish and great to watch/play with.

I will be upgrading to a larger main tank very soon (shopping :) and would like to know what possible tank mates I can have with these Angels once I move them to the 72 bowfront - no live bearers please. I was thinking a couple of Birchirs and a few panda cories. What could I get that would be more mid to top level that would get along well with Angels?

I am still waiting to see if the two Angels pair up - no sign of it so far. The funniest part is the largest one - alone in his/her own tank spends a lot of time cleaning the filter tube and heater. This one is 3 times the size of the smallest one - and they were all about the same size when I bought them.

[Rbishop]

Hatchets.....Lemon tetras....just be careful to stay away from small fish such as neons that could be seen as food to the angel.

[Coler]

I have 3 marbled angles. They were just dime sized when I bought them just before Christmas. Then I found that the new Rams in the same QT tank had worms (Camallanus) and so on with rounds of treatments. After that I wanted to be sure to QT long enought to be sure everyone was healthy.

Then I noticed the smallest of the 3 (still very small) was not greeting me when I fed them and was hiding. I also noticed that the top fin was torn. I thought that perhaps the other two were pairing up. I decided to move the 'little one' into my main tank. It is very quiet community in there... but not a lot of places for an Angel to hide. It seemed to be very stressed out even two days later so I setup another tank. I try to keep an extra filter running on one of my tanks so that I can setup quickly.

Now the littlest Angel and the second largest share a 40 Gal and the third - a monster in size compared to the other two - rules his own 40 Gal.

I think they are fantasic fish and great to watch/play with.

I will be upgrading to a larger main tank very soon (shopping :) and would like to know what possible tank mates I can have with these Angels once I move them to the 72 bowfront - no live bearers please. I was thinking a couple of Birchirs and a few panda cories. What could I get that would be more mid to top level that would get along well with Angels?

I am still waiting to see if the two Angels pair up - no sign of it so far. The funniest part is the largest one - alone in his/her own tank spends a lot of time cleaning the filter tube and heater. This one is 3 times the size of the smallest one - and they were all about the same size when I bought them.

I don't keep 'em myself and am not expert (lovely fish though) but isn't this behaviour something to do with spawning ?

[Lupin]

Yes, it is, Coler.:grinyes:

On the other hand, do not keep panda cories and bichirs together. If the latter eats them, the bichirs will choke to death from pectoral fins stuck to their throats.

[Star_Rider]

single females can lay eggs they won't hatch (obviously) but they can lay eggs. oddly both males and females will clear spots.

pair formations can happen in as little as 6 months..usually they will pair up 10-12 mo. wilds tend to take longer (2-3 yrs) tho it does occur at younger ages.

tank mates cory's (look for those that prefer warmer water 80)

bichirs and cory's not

hatchet fish, larger tetras, rasboras(larger ) BN's all good tank mates.

I like the angel discus mix..but take care with that.

curious..how did you treat the camallanus?

[Mij]

I have several strains of rainbows with my angels and all is well. A 72g would be plenty big enough for angels and rainbows.

[cmartin]

Thanks for the advice. Panda Cories in one tank and Birchir in another :) - no problem.

StarRider - the final treatment was "General Cure" and medicated food (although I am not sure much of it was actually eaten). I just found out a couple of weeks ago that this product has now been taken off the Canadian market. Leaving us with very few choices.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138514

One of the comments I recieved when I first mentioned the worms was "euthanize the fish and clean the tank - don't reuse anything from it until it has been dried out for 6 months". Really good advice now for anyone in Canada... unless you are like me and could not bring yourself to do it.

Does anyone know a Vet in Canada that would prescribe for fish??? Maybe we could start a network of them ??? I wish :)

[Blueiz]

I have golden wonder kilifish, gouramis, the larger tetras, cherry barbs.. all in with my angels..

[Star_Rider]

Thanks for the advice. Panda Cories in one tank and Birchir in another :) - no problem.

StarRider - the final treatment was "General Cure" and medicated food (although I am not sure much of it was actually eaten). I just found out a couple of weeks ago that this product has now been taken off the Canadian market. Leaving us with very few choices.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138514

One of the comments I recieved when I first mentioned the worms was "euthanize the fish and clean the tank - don't reuse anything from it until it has been dried out for 6 months". Really good advice now for anyone in Canada... unless you are like me and could not bring yourself to do it.

Does anyone know a Vet in Canada that would prescribe for fish??? Maybe we could start a network of them ??? I wish :)


you should not have to euthanize the fish....especially on something so treatable. Unfortuantely I cannot speak for canadian laws regarding meds.
I know levamisole HCl is difficult to get. levasole is a counterpart that uses the same ingredient.

also look for Flubendazole , Fenbendazole there may also be other pet worming meds but I'd have to check.
Camallanus depending on the meds may need re-treatment after 2-3 weeks.

[Coler]

you should not have to euthanize the fish....especially on something so treatable. Unfortuantely I cannot speak for canadian laws regarding meds.

Its a real shame over here in Ireland - no fish antibiotics at all, and none of the treatments mentioned in this thread.

[Star_Rider]

Its a real shame over here in Ireland - no fish antibiotics at all, and none of the treatments mentioned in this thread.

I had heard that..that is a pity ...here we can find many from a feed store...and or speak to a veterinarian and get the meds.
in some cases they are available on line.

[cmartin]

The Vets in Canada decided that the medication was too dangerous for us to deal with. Only Vets can prescribe it and try as I may... I can't find a vet that will prescribe for fish.

It is easy to treat with the correct medication, but in order for me to get the correct stuff I have to try to smuggle it across the border. I love my fish... but that it a bit extreme.

[Rbishop]

Worth a shot, IMO.