so hes taking back his cichlids

[a&j_tanks]

so the 2 cichlids and the midas are leaving soon
leave me with just my tow for now

hes got a 29gal tank to put them in and im not telling him anything about his midas with ich or the fact that there gonna eat each other alive

i really dont think these are his kinda fish...

any suggestions?

[Lupin]

Why won't you tell him the truth about these fish? I don't find it a way to encourage him to continue his hobby with less issues. Just tell him the truth and he will be able to rectify his issues.

[Rbishop]

Doesn't seem right...

[a&j_tanks]

hes not gonna know what to do any way
im not gonna sit there and teach him for hrs

his ten gal set up
1 guppy, 1 molly, 1 loach, 1 cat fish bottom feeder, 1 plec, 3 noen tetras, and then theres one more...running on a aquatech filter with no heater

who knows what his 29gal is gonna be, i just feel bad for these cichlids going into it

there loving the way i got the 50 set up

iif i tell him that the midas got it, and tell him what to do, he prob wouldn't understand

he told me straight out that he buys what looks good, not on how they act together or anything like that

i just dont understand why people buy fish without doing the proper research

[Rbishop]

Well, everyone needs help once in a while...isn't that the reason you ask questions here?

[a&j_tanks]

yea, thats the reason why im here to learn

but what am i supost to sya

"im not giving you your cichlids back until you get get a 50+ and get rid of the midas"
"btw your ten is over stocked, under filtered and not heated right"
"your plec, and two bottom feeders are not right and should be in your 30gal"

then he asked can they be in with my cichlids and i would half to sit there and explain that he picked up a bunch of fish that are pretty much useless to him because he didnt shop right and bought them because they are cool.

he would look at me and be like dude wtf....and prob beat the crap out of me
hes ex military and a huge guy and his gf is just as tough

i mean how should i word it to him that his fish are not right

[pussinboots]

Well, everyone's different I guess, but it would really bother me if I knew an animal was sick and I didn't even tell the owner about it.

Are you not telling him because you really think that's best for the fish?

I guess if he fails and they die, it would make it clear who knew more about the fish, but the poor fish are still going to be dead. It doesn't have to turn out that way.

[a&j_tanks]

its gonna be dead anyways...the cichlids that he has chase that midas around alot

i mean ill mention it got sick..and it will prob die ether way

he prob think it was cool that the midas is getting its butt kicked

that midas needs his own tank and you can tell...hes kinda loaner

[a&j_tanks]

i was gonna try to buy his fish

and he told me that he seen a cichlid for like 22bucks at petsmart

so i walked away from it...knowing that was a fully grown adult

if i was too keep his fish i would of gave the midas away at petco...

and i thank you guys for the help with the midas when it was sick....hes in great health right now and he looks alot better in color than the first night i got him

[excuzzzeme]

You are no better than he is to give him an ill fish and not tell him. You can tell him and once he takes it back it is no longer your problem. You cannot make someone provide proper care but you can make "suggestions" as to what is needed. You can offer to keep them until he makes better accommodations for the fish. Be a friend and not a know-it-all.

You are right that some people thinks it's funny to see a weaker animal get it's butt kicked. It's called being sadistic.If you at least try, then you have done all you can. It's a shame isn't it?

[a&j_tanks]

yea it is a shame
i will tell him whats up...and we will see from there

this is the 2nd time in this building ive helped some one out and i wish they would read or ask before getting fish

many people think its a fish and if it dies, i can go buy another one


i had a fish die on me the other day, one of my fav goldies due to fin rot and i cried..and almost killed the cats

[IceH2O]

Wow I can't believe I'm reading this.

Why don't you tell him the midas is sick and keep it. By the time its healed up maybe you can convince him to let you keep it.

I don't know where you live but a heater isn't always needed. 4 of my 5 tanks aren't heated though they are tropical fish, am I a bad fish keeper? The tanks sit around 78-80 year round so a heater wouldn't do any good. The one that does have a heater only has one because the canister sits near an AC vent and I don't want the cooled air affecting the water temp.

Send him an invite to the forum and let him read. Maybe he'll end up with a tank even you are envious of afterwards.

[Coler]

yea it is a shame
i will tell him whats up...and we will see from there

Good stuff



this is the 2nd time in this building ive helped some one out and i wish they would read or ask before getting fish


Part of being in the hobby is helping other people out with advice etc. as you're now learning.



many people think its a fish and if it dies, i can go buy another one



Sadly this is so.


i had a fish die on me the other day, one of my fav goldies due to fin rot and i cried..and almost killed the cats

It happens - cats are and will always be cats. Its good that you're not going to be responsible for the midas as he would not have suited your plans for the African tank. Keep your chin up work with what you have.

[jaysen]

i doubt he will physically harm you for giving advice. it is jailtime if he does. no reason to be afraid of suggesting advice. if he listens, it was worth it. if he doesnt, you tried. you have to do the right thing... we are in this hobby for our love of fishkeeping.

[247Plants]

One of the best pieces of advice(AND one that keeps giving) is to pass on the link to Aquaria Central. http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ It will literally open up a whole new world of people to get advice from. (And dole a little out, if ya can. ;))

[Reddog80p]

I'd tell him exactly what you should, then leave the ball in his court.