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CichlidBoy
09-22-2003, 7:13 PM
i really really want to add new fish to my tank but i dont wanna over load it wht do u guys think and if you have n e idea what the difference between a green terror and a royal green terror is please tell me:confused: :confused:
Tightdog1
09-22-2003, 8:58 PM
never ever heard of a royal green terror. is this goin tobe for your 29g. if so i wouldnt get a green terror at all. i would need at least a 55g and probably more like 75g to make him happy.
oh yea and that jaguar in the 45 shopuld be moved soon so u should jsut get a 125 and put both of them in there, IMO.
CichlidBoy
09-22-2003, 9:06 PM
thanx but i dont wanna get a new tank and i will just put him in a bigger tank at a later date he should be fine for a while i always overload my tanks i just wanted some advice
DarthV
09-22-2003, 9:13 PM
You do know what will be happening when that managuense reaches 6" or so, right? And with the growth rate of those fish, you're looking at the total destruction of the rest of the fish in less than 3 months.
As far as I know there are only 2 varieties of green terrors...the gold and silver saums. Anything else is probably just a gimmick or fish that have been juiced.
mkpeters6
09-22-2003, 9:57 PM
Ive heard of the royal gt. All i know is that it is supposed to have more vibrant colors, it could just be certain gt's that r labeled royal for better sales, or there may be an actual difference, im not really sure
peifc
09-22-2003, 10:17 PM
*gasp* Jag with Con, Sev, and FM? Oh my! Uhmm...ok...all fishes in that 45g tank have different temperament too.
DarthV is right on one thing, Jag grows big and fast. That 45g tank will not hold Jag down long. Soon Jag will feel he/she needs space. I guess you can imagine what will happen from there.
As for Green Terror...DarthV has answered that question. He is also right about GT will not fit in that 29g tank. However, if you want to know what those 2 GTs look like, check out this site.
www.cichlidscene.com
and go to the Gallery. You will find both of those GTs listed there. Silver Saum is harder to get than Gold. I think Jeff Rapps had few on sales last month.
BTW, I did a search on the website. I couldn't find Royal GT. Where did you learn about this GT?
demon_surfer
09-23-2003, 7:34 AM
cichlids are not tetras. this is not overloading it and just having lots of fish. this is overloading it and they are going to kill each other.
very soon your going to end up with either a jag or a convict with everything else dead....and if its the jag it is then going to die from being in a tank it cant even move in.
im just going to go ahead and support what these guys were saying by asking why you didn't research these fish before buying and if you did, why you thought it would be ok in a tank that small?? That jag can reach an excess of 14" not to mention its down right nasty nature. what made you think you could keep all of those fish together??? Forget the green terror. Forget anything else at the moment. What you need to do is get rid of the jag and start thinking about tetras or something that would better fit your space available.
predatorcichlid
09-23-2003, 6:12 PM
All I'm going to say is IF that cute little Jagaur is male your in a whole lot of trouble. I can tell you have never see or experienced a fully mature predator guapote like this or you would not have those Feeder cichlids in that tank with him. With a potenial growth rate better than 1 inch per month and those protractile jaws you'll need that 125 in short order. BWT the 125 would be HIS tank if we are talking a male here.
Look Ive done lots of research on Jags. Males could reach a size of 18" and females hit about 12". So a foot to a foot and a half ok. Jags are usually, not always, very aggresive fish. There usually called hyper aggresive fish. These fish can do major damage. A male Jag from what I have read is unforgiving it will not back down from a fight from anyfish. Females I have read are agressive but not as much but my female Jag seems to be very mean very very very hyper aggresive. She would take on any fish or man. Convicts are mean but small fish it could rule the tank if it were to kill the Jag while its small. The severum and firemouth are mean but not as mean as a convict. The smaller the tank the more aggressive fish get ok. The Jag will rule the tank regardless if its a male or a female for a female needs a min tank size of 60gal but bigger is always better a male needs a 90gal at the bare min. These fish will tear each other apart and end up die from beat up or from fungus attacking there wounds stress or amonia levels. I would get a bigger tank for the Jag or take it to a fish store. I would not add anything else for you have the tank overstocked even if it was just a Jag alone. I would suggest you do more research before your next purchase. Read several sites and that will give you the general idea of what could fit where and who they would get along with. I know this is long but hey I had alot to say
Why dont we all just click on Stans (predatorcichlid) link in his sig mmmkay :), learn from a guy with actual experience. He researchs yes,,,,from his own living quarters.
thekrib
09-23-2003, 8:05 PM
i think with your size tank and your desire to get a big variety, you should dump the idea of americans and get africans, i like africans better, more color, around the same personality, and some are really mean if you like that. you could go for cobalt zebras, or pseudotropheus, or both, maybe like 3 or 4 of each in a 45, just ask questions before you purchase. or you could do tanganyikans and have an even large variety and more biodiversity.
go for the Africans, Americans really need huge tanks in general.
matty150
09-25-2003, 9:33 PM
GER1023 - "The smaller the tank the more aggressive fish get ok."
although i agree that the jag will eventually outgrow his tank this above statement is false in fact its the exact opposite. The smaller the space the less likely fish like cichlids will be able to establish dominance of a particular area. Larger tanks allow fish to establish dominace over a particular area of the tank. a perfect example of this is when you go to a LFS and see a dozen varieties of cichlid surviving in the same small tank.
peifc
09-25-2003, 11:18 PM
The smaller the space...and more likely Jag will kill anything on his way just because he wants his space and territory.
If a Jag lives in a 300g tank with a Midas, do you really think Jag will be more aggressive? A big tank...the fish gets more areas that they can mark as their own. In smaller tank...well, lets say who comes first or stronger gets the spot.
IMO, cichlids become aggressive when they mark a territory and some fish transpass or they are breeding.
In LFS, those are temporary home. And you actually think they live in harmony? I have seen a 7" Jag lived in a 55g tank with a 4" Carpinte. Who got chase and attack? Hmm...
There was also 3 12" Pacus living with a 4" Buttikorferi in 75g tank. Guess who got attack?
Who rules the tank really depends on the fish either big or small tank. We all know the Jag that lives with severums, con, and firemouth will eventually rule the tank (even if the tank was 125g). Jag's tankmate...gotta be able to defend himself.
optix
09-26-2003, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by matty150
GER1023 - "The smaller the tank the more aggressive fish get ok."
although i agree that the jag will eventually outgrow his tank this above statement is false in fact its the exact opposite. The smaller the space the less likely fish like cichlids will be able to establish dominance of a particular area. Larger tanks allow fish to establish dominace over a particular area of the tank. a perfect example of this is when you go to a LFS and see a dozen varieties of cichlid surviving in the same small tank.
My friend you are entirely mistaken. Some mbuna are able to be kept in this theory of higher numbers limiting aggression because they usually tend to work it out that way. However you WILL NOT be successful with this theory keeping new worlds. yes you see plenty of juvi jags and midas at your LFS in the same tank. Even at a young age I guarantee there is bickering, but they haven't reached their devastating nature carried by full grown specimens. I can promise you though, you give a male jag a smaller tank and then add a fish just because you think that the jag wont' dominate due to not being able to establish territory and that other fish will be an expensive snack once the jag reachs maturity if not before. Central/south americans WILL establish a territory whether the tank is a 55 gallon or a 5500 gallon, just the bigger tank eases the aggression because there isn't such limited space to fight for or defend. Bottom line for cichlid boy here is that jag WILL grow up, it WILL claim that whole tank as its own and it WILL kill everything else in there. So my friend your theory is the exact opposite of what is true for neotropicals :cool: