what the most aggresive cichild possiable

[Dragon_Lord_Tia]

ive got a spare 6'x3x3 tank and i have a hankering for a realy realy realy aggro fish any suggestions

[DarthV]

Umbie...or dovii... the umbie would probably be meaner tempered.

[peifc]

Amphilophus Festae, Nandopsis Haitiensis, Nandopsis Beani, Herichthys Minckleyi (Jeff has it right now. He said threaten in nature), Amphilophus Trimaculatus, ...you have so many choices. Some Vieja are aggressive as well.

[SnakeIce]

lol do you want agressive or preditory? a breeding pair of most cichlids will try to beat up most tank mates that can't outright eat them

[stoopid]

Hey snake, why not give Carlin the credit he deserves for the quote in your sig, eh? ;)

Buttekoferi (sp?) are pretty mean by themselves, but certainly not the largest of the cichlids you could have (so there's a limit to their aggression).

[Tightdog1]

f0 umbee or f0 dovii
What about a snakehead or a flowerhorn?

[Dragon_Lord_Tia]

ok i want a fish that will smash anything that goes in its tank i want it to get 30cm+ and its going to be on its own.

[DarthV]

I'm not sure how violent a single umbie or dovii would be... but they are the top of the cichlid size range (along with peacock bass)....and have been know to take shots at owners. Species such as the trimac, festae, haitian, jaguar or midas might be more interactive than the dovii or umbie...and you should be able to house a decent number of them together in that monster tank! Midas is probably one of the best know for smashing into the glass to get at outsiders...

[Oscar_Wild]

My F0 Hemichromis Elongatus are suprisingly aggressive for thier size. They are only about 6" right now and defend about 4 feet of a 6' tank. They are a pair, so that may have something to do with it.

[peifc]

I agree with DarthV. If you really want to see fish in action...check this out.

This is Chris' Striped-Midas (Barred Midas) at the convention this year and other home movies.
http://www.cichlidscene.com/video/2003acamonster.mpg
http://www.cichlidscene.com/video/20010929monster.mpg
http://www.cichlidscene.com/video/20011209monster1.mpg

This is the Chris' Umbie
http://www.cichlidscene.com/video/20020309umbie.mpg


There are more movies you can check out in www.cichlidscene.com

All his movies possibly can help you decide what fish you really want.

By the way, Jeff Rapps has Stripe-Midas right now...it was fathered by Monster.

[optix]

Dovii, umbee, festae, jag, midas..........

[Tightdog1]

i wonder what MOJO would say about this topic since he houses like all these fish that weve been talking about, umbee, dovii, jag, midas, festae. if anyone would know he would.
here are some links to mojos site and his crazy fish.

Umbee:
http://www.aquamojo.com/umbee.html
Dovii:
http://www.aquamojo.com/dovii.html
Jaguar:
http://www.aquamojo.com/managuense.html

http://www.aquamojo.com/red%20devil.html
[B]Festae:
http://www.aquamojo.com/festae.html
Snakehead:
http://www.aquamojo.com/snakehead.html

[peifc]

Originally posted by Tightdog1
[B]i wonder what MOJO would say about this topic since he houses like all these fish that weve been talking about, umbee, dovii, jag, midas, festae. if anyone would know he would.
here are some links to mojos site and his crazy fish.


MoJo and Cichlidscene know each other. Both of them keep about the same kind of fish. They even trade fish.

And yeah, anyone who have experieced on these cichlids will be MoJo, Cichildscene, and predatorcichlid.

[GoLdFiSh_GrL]

i say get a dovii, umbee, or midas...

[optix]

the absolute most aggressive comes down between dovii and umbee, next in line I"d say is the jag and festae with the midas close behind. So if you are wanting a single mean fish. It would be a dovii in my book. Though your tank seems a bit to small for a fish that can reach an excess of 22" with longest I've heard of being 30". I'd say an umbee, jag or festae should fit your bill. You may be able to get away with a male midas and male festae together in there. Seems like sufficient enough room

[Sum-X]

Originally posted by optix
So if you are wanting a single mean fish. It would be a dovii in my book.

I totally agree with that one

[Rare Cichlids]

Don't confuse size with aggression. Just because a cichlid is 30" doesn't mean it will have more drive than a cichlid that is 2". More capability maybe, but not necessarily more attitude.

Dragon is in Australia and his options will be severly limited by his countries importation laws. Perhaps it would be best for him to list what is available.

[optix]

I think its safe to say a dovii's size has nothing to do with its nasty nasty attitude. It just gets big thats all, along with its down right homocidal nature.

[Sum-X]

It is true that size doesn't matter, but in the Dovii's case, it is large, and very aggressive.

[Rare Cichlids]

Yes, but even if Dovii or Umbriferum are available in Australia, I don't think I would recommend either of them due to his tank size. Although the width is suitable for a 30" fish, the length of 72" will not allow much swimming room. I think I would stick to fish under 18".

[Sum-X]

Ah, I was just referring to in general... But in that case, for size reasons, that could be right.

[somefinnfishy]

Aba Aba knife saw one eat a 15"pleco in 30 seconds buy sucking its belly out.

BTW I moved him on the 1st of aug for a friend and the 220 he lives in.He measured 37" used a sheet to get him out.
We moved the tank with the gravel/sand in it two guys;)

Also a RTC is a good friend

Opps those arnt cichlids:rolleyes: but dont limit yourself

[demon_surfer]

salvini or beani arent as big as dovii and just as sadistic

[Rare Cichlids]

Aba Aba's and Red Tail Catfish will both reach nearly 5' and should be given an aquarium many times larger than 6' x 3' x 3'. But I aggree that perhaps he should look into non-cichlid fish also. If it's available in Australia, the Feather Back Knife (Papyrocranus afer) would be an excellent choice. They reach just over 2' and are truely evil in appearance. They have a mouth full of longe needle like teeth, and then a large bony tongue with more teeth. It reminds me of a deep see fish. The Afer won't me slamming the side of the tank, but is an extremely predatory fish and will not allow tankmates.

I doubt that there are any beani in Australia. And a single Salvini woud get lost in a tank that large.

[peifc]

Better yet, how about we ask Dragon what cichlids are available in Aus? Then we help narrow the list down for Dragon?

[Rare Cichlids]

Exactly. As I said earlier, Dragon needs to tell us what is available to him.

[mrbigisbudgood]

Maybe you should just get a piranna? If your looking for an agressive fish........

[Dragon_Lord_Tia]

sorry for the wait guys ive been renovating

i knew their would be a pirahana suggestion in thier lol they by them selves a wossy fish you need a large pack for them to do anything realy + australia cant get them in

her is a list of fish from work that i have just copied and pasted to here
4cm
Apistogramma agassizi "Double Red"

3cm
Apistogramma borelli

3.5cm
Apistogramma cacatuoides "Double Red"

3.5cm
Apistogramma nijesseni

3.5cm
Apistogramma pandourini

4cm
Blue acara

5cm
Blue acara

4.5cm
Bolivian butterfly

4cm
Chocolate cichlid

4.5cm
Convict cichlid

4cm
White convict cichlid

3.5cm
Curviceps

4.5cm
Dovii

4.5cm
Flower horn

4cm
Firemouth

3.5cm
Festivum

4cm
Festivum

5cm
Festivum

3.5cm
Geophagus balzani

4.5cm
Geophagus braziliensis

6cm
Geophagus braziliensis

4cm
Geophagus surinamensis

4cm
Hartwegi

4.5cm
Jack dempsey

3.5cm
Keyhole

7cm
Keyhole

4cm
Managuense

3cm
Nanacara anomola

4cm
Parrot cichlid

4.5cm
Petenia splendida

3.5cm
Blue Ram – German bred

3.5cm
Gold ram – German bred

6cm
Rainbow cichlid – Multispinosa

3.5cm
Gold severum

3.5cm
Green severum

4cm
Green severum

4.5cm
Synspillum

5cm
Synspillum

4.5cm
Texas

that is every american cichlid i can get from our main supplyer and ill see what i can do for the others

[Tightdog1]

id say first chice would be a umbee but its not on your list so a dovii is a close second. third wuld be the Managuense

[Rare Cichlids]

How can you recommend a 30" fish for a 72" tank?

The Splendida would be perfect for your tank, but this is not an overly aggressive fish.

The Managuense is possibly your best option for a very aggressive cichlid.

[peifc]

I'll say go for Jag too. That guy is aggressive since Dovii is too big. Yeup...Jag is the next best choice.

[optix]

I vote male jag. heh, get a piranha if you want an aggressive fish eh :rolleyes:.

[DarthV]

Yea, the jag for sure...get a few of them and then pick the one that grows the fastest...it will probably be the one with the most attitude as well :D

[peifc]

Originally posted by DarthV
Yea, the jag for sure...get a few of them and then pick the one that grows the fastest...it will probably be the one with the most attitude as well :D

:D Like MoJo's Jumbo, right?

[Firsttanks]

ok i want a fish that will smash anything that goes in its tank i want it to get 30cm+ and its going to be on its own.

...not a cichlid, but Fahaka Puffer fits the bill perfectly

[Dragon_Lord_Tia]

so whats more aggressive a jag or a red devil??

[DarthV]

I think in that size tank, the Jag would be the better fit... that's a 400gal tank...and you could get away with having a number of the large and nasty cichlids in there. Just get a bunch of juveinile fish (midas, devils, trimacs,jags, festae) and see which ones you like...

[Dragon_Lord_Tia]

yeah but whats more aggro a jag or a RD

[optix]

Jag

[DarthV]

The jag would be a predator..and is larger...so definitely more dangerous...ounce for ounce the devil might be more "aggressive". For a 6x3x3' tank, get a bunch of the more aggressive fish and then decide which you want to keep...you should be able to get away with keeping a few in that size tank.

[somefinnfishy]

Originally posted by DarthV
I think in that size tank, the Jag would be the better fit... that's a 400gal tank...and you could get away with having a number of the large and nasty cichlids in there. Just get a bunch of juveinile fish (midas, devils, trimacs,jags, festae) and see which ones you like...

More like which ones dont like each other.

arrowana.???

[Rare Cichlids]

Originally posted by somefinnfishy


More like which ones dont like each other.

arrowana.???

In that size aquarium with fish like (midas, devils, trimacs,jags, festae) there probably won't be much aggression at all.

[Lila]

I didn't read all the responses since it's so late right now. But, I have heard the Dovii is the most aggressive and would love to see on in person.

I think the jag is a prettier fish. He is aggressive and beautiful.
Now, I'm not downing the Dovii, I just haven't really seen one yet.

[Dragon_Lord_Tia]

dovii get 30"+ so they are to big but easly the most aggressive cichlid

yeah today i got 5 jags and when bigger 1