New pond update

[MudskipperFan]

Yes.
My pond is doing good, the only problem is that mosquito larvae keep getting stuck into the pump and messing it up. I don't feed the fish anymore, they just eat mud/algae off the sides of the pond and eat the floating horsetails and anacharis as well. Recently, I put in a few guppies to eat the mosquito larvae and feed the big black goldfish and so far they are doing as planned. The white goldfish is fat like the other ones, and the biggest goldfish looks like a shrunken carp. At this point, I'm really tempted to buy a koi for the pond as they are really low costing and I could sell it to my neighbors if it overgrows. I probably won't. I filled up the pond a whole lot and it is really clear. I don't have any pictures because my computer got a virus again and I am using my dad's crappy mac so I can't take any pictures. So it is pretty good.
I still want to buy tadpoles.

[MudskipperFan]

Also another interesting thing is that whenever I drop an earthworm into the pond to feed my fish it will survive and still stay at the bottom and be alive for weeks. A few days ago, while I was examining my pond, I found a millipede at the bottom that was attached to a plant. It possibly fell in after my dad put a boulder into the pond, about a month ago. It was still moving. I think the pond has a lot of oxygen, which is why they survived.

[Virtuoso2K12]

So why do still want tadpoles again?

[MudskipperFan]

They'll decorate the pond more and keep the bug population down.

[Virtuoso2K12]

so what did the fish and game department said about it?

[J double R]

fish do not eat mud. you should still feed them, even if it's a little.

tadpoles don't usually eat bugs.. they will, however, eat any algae or dead plant matter.

[DAVIDFBT]

I think it's a little too late to add tadpoles to your pond even if you find them. Most frogs reproduce in the spring and metamorphosize in early fall. Better to wait until next spring. What size pond is this again?

[Darkness9876]

The pond is too small for the koi he wants, It will most likely become stunted before he gives it away.

[jpappy789]

Feed the fish please. I do not believe that goldfish have the mouth shape to sustain themselves on algae alone...and they do not eat mud.

And absolutely no tadpoles, at least not the ones that you wanted. As much as you want them remember that the environment comes first.

[DAVIDFBT]

The pond is too small for the koi he wants, It will most likely become stunted before he gives it away.

I totally missed the part where he said he wanted koi. I agree, abslutely NO koi at all in this pond. Not even "Just until he gets too big, then I'll give him away." That pond is just big enough for an outdoor goldfish, let alone a koi that will grow to 3 feet.

[MudskipperFan]

Today I fed them worms. Before that they were eating the anacharis and the horsetail plants in the pond.

[MudskipperFan]

fish do not eat mud. you should still feed them, even if it's a little.

tadpoles don't usually eat bugs.. they will, however, eat any algae or dead plant matter.
I was talking about when the tadpoles grew up, then they would eat all of the bugs.

[Darkness9876]

I want a carp too but not at the expense of the fish. I will however be buying 5 in the spring. WEEEEEE 5 grass carp for my pond.

[Virtuoso2K12]

ok that was random seriously, didn't we all discuss this already?

[Darkness9876]

Yeah that was random sorry, I was tired and just remembered that.

There was a point though, don't put fish into a situation unfit for them.

[jpappy789]

I was talking about when the tadpoles grew up, then they would eat all of the bugs.

The frogs aren't going to stay around your pond for long...I would bet that they would naturally search for a larger body of water that could sustain them, and perhaps their offspring. Taking into consideration that the tadpole you want are not native to your location I think it's a resounding "NO" on the tadpoles...

[Darkness9876]

stick with toads.

[MudskipperFan]

My pet store recommended that I feed the fish night crawlers and mealworms. I fed them mealworms today and they liked them. To prevent the worms from hurting the fish, I cut them in half. The ones that were too big I cut in half as well or just ignored.

[Sploke]

The frogs aren't going to stay around your pond for long...I would bet that they would naturally search for a larger body of water that could sustain them, and perhaps their offspring. Taking into consideration that the tadpole you want are not native to your location I think it's a resounding "NO" on the tadpoles...

I was surprised, the first year I built my pond, at the peak of the summer I had about 17 bullfrogs that all showed up on their own. It is now down to about 3-4 regulars, which I guess they decided was about the carrying capacity of the pond. I live in the country though with a fair number of water sources nearby though, and my pond is about 1500gal. Its enough to support them, apparently.

[MudskipperFan]

I was surprised, the first year I built my pond, at the peak of the summer I had about 17 bullfrogs that all showed up on their own. It is now down to about 3-4 regulars, which I guess they decided was about the carrying capacity of the pond. I live in the country though with a fair number of water sources nearby though, and my pond is about 1500gal. Its enough to support them, apparently.
I live right next to a street in the city far away from any lakes that have ponds. My pond is in a small, mostly concrete backyard that is closed off by gates. One of the science teachers at my school said it was okay to buy 1 leopard frog tadpole from a pet store or look at some parks that have frogs/tadpoles.
El dorado has none, I'm not even sure if Heartwell park has ponds with them, and I can't think of any other ponds near long beach.

[DAVIDFBT]

I seem to remember that Leopard Frogs aren't native to your area. You just don't understand, don't you? NO NON-NATIVE FROGS OR TADPOLES AT ALL. I don't care if you heard it from your elementary school science teacher, do not add on to the non native population. Either the leapord frog will outcompete the existing wildlife for food, or the frog won't be able to tolerate the weather and die. Unless if you plan on keeping the frog in a very large enclosure that there is absolutely no escape from when he grows up, then don't even consider it.

[Virtuoso2K12]

Don't you understand the quote from jurassic park?"Life will find a way"???We are trying to help you,if you want frogs setup a tank indoor for them.

[Darkness9876]

Leopard frogs are not native to your area. Don't get them.

Where I live we have thousands of leopard frogs. They are out in the cold, they are out in the heat, they are out in drough and in floods. They breed prolificly and are voracious eaters. They will survive in your yard and they will spread and devestate local wildlife. I don't care if the president told you that you could buy one. It doesn't mean its safe for the environment.

You pond is overstocked anyway.

You have to many goldfish that you don't take care of well, goldfish aren't designed to eat mud, or larva. They eat insects and smaller fish. Mud and larva don't have the protein and nutrients they need to sustain their body size. How about you eat one cracker everyday and see how you feel in a week.

I have a feeling you will get a koi. Which you will underfeed and stunt. It will live a horrible life.

You will also probably just go get a frog from you lfs still and ignore those that try to explain things to you. Have fun wrecking the environment. People like you are the reason we have so many stupid laws in this country. Thank you. I hope you have fun ruining the environment.

Oh and as a side note, If you decide to keep a frog indoors don't get a leopard, they get to big for 100+ gallon tanks. They can leap 6+ feet and hurt themselves on the glass. I suggest a tree frog or a Fire bellied toad.

Take the advice of others when you ask for it, don't just ignore it.

[Darkness9876]

This is a river in southern mexico, an area where this pleco is not a native species. Notice the lack of vegetation, and the lack of other species of fish. This is what happens when non native species are introduced to an ecosystem. If you want more examples. Look up lespadeza, a plant that is taking over the midwest, or zebra mussles that are clogging water ways across the country. Azolla a plant that grows like duckweed only larger and is covering parts of florida rivers up to 1' thick in places and preventing river travel and killing entire ecosystems through light deprevation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgjgN7HIig

We don't mean to seem mean, but we harp at people like you for a reason. All of us here care about the environment. We want to preserve it but at the rate the rest of our species is going we will soon kill ourselves and destroy the planet at the same time.

[Mgamer20o0]

i think the points been made no need to beat a dead horse.