Bloom and cycle in guppy fry tank

wendamus

Crazy Guppy Lady with serious MTS
Jul 17, 2008
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Hi folks,

I'm new to this guppy fry thing, my Big Momma has just had her second batch of fry. The first are about 4 weeks old (All 23 survived) and the second batch is now 4 days old, there are ~35 (how do you count the little boogers?)

However, in my zest to make sure they're well fed, I think I've overdone things. My 10 gallon tank got a cloudy bloom about 2 weeks ago, and this week the nitrites went through the roof.

Luckily, the 40 gallon tank I got about 3 weeks ago is done cycling. I'd intended this to be the 'grow out' tank for likely males, so I could keep the females in the 10 gallon tank. I also purchased, but haven't set up yet another 10 gallon for a baby fry tank, which I won't put gravel in.

I moved all the fish into the 40 gallon tank, on the theory that they'd be better off in good water (no ammonia, no nitrites, nitrates ~5ppm) and that the minor shock of changing tanks would be worth getting them out of the icky water. Luckily, they seem to have all survived it.

Here's the problem. Even with some 'clear water' tabs, and daily 50% water changes for the last 3 days in my 10 gallon cloudy tank, I still can't clear the water up. The nitrites have dropped back to acceptable levels, but I won't move fish back in 'til I'm sure the water is stable again. (Using an old filter to ensure I don't kill off all the beneficial bacteria while it cycles.)

Anyone have any idea why the cloudiness isn't clearing up, or what to do to fix it?

Also, I think the water cycled because I was overfeeding the babies. I kept worrying that the small amounts recommended on websites wouldn't get to the fry, who were all hiding in the rocks and anachris all over the tank. I was afraid the filter would get it all before it got to them. Is this silly? The recommendations I've seen are "dip a damp pencil lead in the powdered baby food and don't add more than that" but how will they all get some?

Thanks!

-Wendy
 
Thanks! Seriously, stop changing the water? Do you think I'm just stirring up gunk at this point, and if I let it settle it'll be ok?

The 10 g tank was originally cycled, then was good for almost 4 months, 'til I had baby guppies and started overfeeding.
 
I don't quite understand where your tank is right now. If you have a functioning filter with a bacterial colony in it, you need to feed it or you will start to lose whatever biofilter it contains. If you just have water and no fish, turn off the filter, drain the tank and refill it. Don't forget to unplug the heater while you do this or it will be ruined by running out of the water. Then you can restart the filter and feed the filter bacteria with some ammonia. If you have removed the cycled filter, I hope you put it on the 40 so it will stay alive. You can probably tell that I'm not sure where your old filter ended up.
 
since there are no fish in the 10g tank, stop doing the water changes and work on doing a fishless cycle. keep feeding the tank and continue with testing until parameters are where they should be. feeding fry is a messy business, and it may be easier for you to simply remove all the gravel. less food gets lost, less needs to be fed, easier to clean. the plants can float happily enough. quit using the 'clear water' tabs, they aren't going to help with a cycling issue.
 
Ok, thanks everyone for the help. I didn't realize it was ok to change out all the water once I'd removed the fish -- now that you've said it, it's obvious. I didn't move my filter to my 40 gallon, it sat in the 10 g for about a week with no fish. I had some plants (some with a few dead leaves) and tossed a couple of pleco pellets in through the week, so I'm hoping there was enough ammonia to keep the bacteria alive. Just to be sure, I put in a handful of gravel from my 40 gallon tank when I put fish back in, to help re-establish bacteria.

I obviously made a lot of mistakes with all of this, thanks for the help.

By the way, where do you get straight ammonia? I looked at Petco, Petsmart, Target, Wal-mart, and my lfs. My LFS guy said he sometimes had it but not at the moment and pushed me to do a fishy cycle (He pointed out I have a bunch of guppy fry, some of which I'm not going to keep anyway, so it wouldn't hurt) -- his concern was primarily for my daughter. said "You have 3 yr old, she gets ammonia, she dead. You do fish cycle."
 
Pure ammonia is in the cleaning products area of Ace Hardware. That is the only place I found it but lots of people had ammonia with lemon scent or surfactants which we don't want. No pet shop that I have ever been in would carry it because they are all about selling things like ammocarb to temporarily remove it.
 
yeah, why sell a $3 gallon jug of ammonia and not have another sale for 6 weeks when you can sell a bottle of Cycle, a bunch of Ammo-lock or Ammo-Carb, some Stress-Zyme, and half a dozen 'starter' fish?

I bought mine at Wal-Mart, just their store brand with a purple label. the only thing you want it to have is ammonia, water, and a chelating chemical. that's what keeps the ammonia bound into the water instead of just evaporating right out.
 
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