Stocking Question

canadianguy

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so im about 99 per cent sure im getting either a 40 or 55 gallon tank for xmas. ive been kicking around some stocking ideas but since im pretty new to fish id definetly like to hear some suggestions. if i have the room and they are compatible id like to have an angel or two, a pair of blue rams, a school of tetras, and a school of corys. i know about the whole big fish eat small fish thing but what is small to an angel? i know they have a rep of having a big appetite so i want to make sure they dont view their tankmates as dinner. also, a friend of mine has some blue lobsters. he asked me if i wanted one but i have no idea what kind of bioload they generate or if it will get big enough to kill any fish i might want to keep with it. any advice on that would be appreciated too.
 
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I don't really have any experience with angels so I honestly can't help you there, I've just heard they can be fairly aggressive? But...Blue crayfish (i'm assuming p. alleni?) are great! The only issue with them is once they get bigger, you can probably expect to lose a few smaller fish here and there (could potentially make short work of small tetras) but it seems that most (myself included) like them enough to overlook this as long as its not too frequent. Some crays never touch a single fish in the tank and some become voracious predators that attack and take down fish you might originally think were big enough to fend for themselves. It really depends on the individual cray. Fish that are too big can also attack small crays, but unless you get a tiny juvenile mixed with large adult angles or rams... I doubt you'll have that problem in your suggested stock. My experience falls somewhere in the middle, closer to the "the smart fish learn to stay out of the way and everything's ok" scenerio with only a few minor mishaps. I'm guessing if the cray is fairly small to start and there are plenty of hiding spots, he'll probably be ok with those tankmates as long as they aren't much smaller than it or slow moving. They're fairly hardy and do a good job of scavenging the bottom of the tank. They will eat anything. I feed mine various bottom feeder pellets as well as algae wafers to make sure they get enough vegetable matter in their diet. Diets consisting of too much protein have been blamed for pre-mature molting problems. Kind of a long response but I figured I would tell ya what I know. Good luck!
 
hey anything you got id like to hear thats why i posted lol. i have done a little research on what my friend calls blue lobsters and i think you are talking about the same thing. he originally bought one but it gave birth in his commnity tank. im assuming it came in pregnant because i dont think they reproduce asexually. anyways he ended up with something like 20 babies. the mother somehow got out of the tank during a water change and was stepped on and died. as for the babies i think hes down to 7 or 8 in his 55 gallon. there was a crazy difference in size. they all seemed to carve out their own territories fighting whenever they ran into each other. so was it just a matter of some getting more food then the rest leading to the size differences? its been a few weeks and 2 are pretty big then 2 medium and a few runts that hardly seem to have grown. will the small ones stay small or if i take one and it has access to more food and less stress will it grow like the others? sorry for all the questions. they are fun to watch and wouldnt mind mixing one in if i can. oh i thought i should add i wouldnt mind losing the occasional tetra or whatever. just as long as it doesnt turn into a slaughter house. i want everything to be as happy and healthy as can be. thanks for the advice
 
Yea, they're commonly referred to as "blue lobsters" or "electric blue lobsters"... pet stores have a bad habit of that, I would assume they should know better. They're freshwater crayfish. The P. Alleni are from Florida and are sometimes mis-labled as "Australian blue crayfish" (Cherax quadricarinatus) as my first one about 4 years ago was. They reproduce sexually and females can hold a male's sperm packet for an extended period of time and then use it later on when she feels it is a safe time to lay the eggs or "berry". There is usually a lot of competition and cannibalism among the juveniles. The size difference could be from larger ones taking most of the food and molting more. They molt more frequently when they're younger and having a better diet will aid this. Without proper nutrition, some of the smaller ones might not be molting as often or possibly be having issues with the molting process. I would guess that on their own without competition they would eventually catch up in size. Don't worry about asking questions, I'm still asking people lots of questions about these critters. I'm currently attempting to breed a pair.
 
I wouldn't want Angels in with Tetras that are small, such as neons, cardinals, or smaller. I heard someone at the lfs the other day telling the lady that their Angels ate the eyes off their Neons.

Made me sick to hear that.
 
no i wouldnt want to see that going on either melody. i mean i dont mind losing the odd fish but i dont want to keep sacrificing smaller fish. i figured neons might be too small. i just want a community tank where it is safe and relatively stable. intresting to look at would be ok too lol. how do you like your adf's? i was looking at some the other day. seemed pretty active
 
yeah thats what i figured. i know there are some tetras that get big enough to be ok with angels. what would the cut off be? i was thinking 3in or so would be safe but again i am new so if anyone knows otherwise im open to advice. what about the rest of the stock in general? does that work even if i only get the 40? i would just lose a couple schoaling fish and drop to one angel if possible
 
blue lobsters + fish= no (if u havent decided that yet)
lobsters get big and will kill the fish. try this stocking for a 40
1 angel
2 blue rams
5 lemon or rummynose tetras (didnt read jpaps post till after i put them :look:)
6 corydoras

enjoy! what kind of tank set-up is it, planted(fake or real), biotope?
 
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