13 year old DAD...

[BreellaBlue87]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

That's disgusting.

[Hurley]

I saw this yesterday and was totally going to post this under the anti-social kid thread! I think the whole this is just unfortunate.

[noodles62]

very sad.....they should have considered giving the baby up for adoption. There are many adult couples that cannot conceive and would give anything for a baby....

[coach_z]

sometimes i wish that natural selection was a lot more rampant ;)

-chris

[cellodaisy]

very sad.....they should have considered giving the baby up for adoption. There are many adult couples that cannot conceive and would give anything for a baby....
x2!

[faun]

This story gets worse since all the media attention loads of other teenage boys have crawled out of the woodwork to say they all slept with her too. So now the local authority have to pay for dna testing to find out who the actual dad is.
To be honest i doubt he is the father as his voice hasn't even broken yet it will probably turn out to be one of the other teen boys, but this is still a sorry state of affairs.
Due to the fact that none of the grandparents are in a position to offer support or even want to i think that this baby will end up in the care of social services eventually.

[dixienut]

this was on inside edition a few days ago, andi agree that this kid is not the father, and that 2 other boys same age as mother was saying that they could be the father and that her family just wanted to get cash for youngest father so people would send money for the baby and a dr. said that she also would doubt that he is mature enought as that he hasn't any features of maturity the other boys had facial hair etc. and this boy was lacking the 12yr. old hormones and isn't matured to his age yet, and i agree,..
it's a ploy for the girl to get $ for the baby,.

i'm sure they have dna testing over there, also so they can find out for real,.. i think the boy dad is getting the ringer and don't know anybetter,..

[Fish-Addict]

It was all over the news over here last week. Very odd.

[petluvr]

Children having sex at that age....Bad Parenting
Children given the OK to use the media in such a terrible way....Bad Parenting
A 13 year old, by admission of his father, not knowing the enormity of the situation...Bad Parenting

[ToeJam]

This goes against my individual freedom views on things...but gosh this makes me want government intervention on matters like this since personal responsibility seems to be lacking severely today.

Like forcing all kids that have genetically matured enough to have or make kids get neutered temporarily... birth control till you move out of mom and dads house..till then your jewels will be in jar and given back when you are mature...or tubes tied...etc...

sorry i went a bit far i know...just infuriates me how stupid things have gotten...

[petluvr]

This goes against my individual freedom views on things...but gosh this makes me want government intervention on matters like this since personal responsibility seems to be lacking severely today.

Like forcing all kids that have genetically matured enough to have or make kids get neutered temporarily... birth control till you move out of mom and dads house..till then your jewels will be in jar and given back when you are mature...or tubes tied...etc...

sorry i went a bit far i know...just infuriates me how stupid things have gotten...
Wouldn't it be easier not to mention less costly if parents would step up and do their jobs?

[Fish-Addict]

Children having sex at that age....Bad Parenting
Children given the OK to use the media in such a terrible way....Bad Parenting
A 13 year old, by admission of his father, not knowing the enormity of the situation...Bad Parenting

He was twelve when he had sex with her.
Good points BTW.
I don't feel srry for either of them. At that age of course they know about all that kindof stuff, as it is talked about often. How could they be so stupid? I know that it is underage and wrong, but contraception is so freely available that something like that shouldnt happen.

[ToeJam]

Wouldn't it be easier not to mention less costly if parents would step up and do their jobs?


Thats the problem...personal responsibility is lacking today. Parents for what ever reason some good some not so good do not instill strong values in kids.
Even then mistakes happen but its too frequent nowadays.

There is NO shame today when a teen gets pregnant. You see it get proped up by media. I remember girls in my school running around all gitty about being pregnant like it was a great thing. I was thinking what the hell? Do you have NO shame... you cant even take care of yourself but you want a baby for a trophy and havn't even contemplated the burden on yourself, your family, and society if you suck on the welfare nipple.

It drives me nuts... It bothers me as I conflict with my views of individual freedoms and personal responsibility ...people seem to care a lot less about those things it seems.

[Fish-Addict]

Wouldn't it be easier not to mention less costly if parents would step up and do their jobs?

My parents never talked to me about sex LOL, but I could have asked them too, and I don't know anybodys parents who did. Mine never needed to though. It was talked about so much at school that I feel there was no need.
If those kids were so stupd then it makes you wonder whaqt the parents are like...

[petluvr]

My parents never talked to me about sex LOL, but I could have asked them too, and I don't know anybodys parents who did. Mine never needed to though. It was talked about so much at school that I feel there was no need.
If those kids were so stupd then it makes you wonder whaqt the parents are like...
:eek: My siblings and I have always had the most open relationship with our mother about these types of things. I couldn't imagine if my mother didn't talk to me about these things. I guess that is the great thing about having a flower child of the 70's mother named Twilight:)

[Fish-Addict]

:eek: My siblings and I have always had the most open relationship with our mother about these types of things. I couldn't imagine if my mother didn't talk to me about these things. I guess that is the great thing about having a flower child of the 70's mother named Twilight:)


Didnt you feel really awkward? I would have been sooo embarrased. IfI needed to ask a question on sex, I asked my friends at school (I went to an all boys school) and I always got the question answered.

[AquaGem]

My sister and I have a very open relationship with our mother as well. It's not awkward if you don't make it so. I wish these children had been more enlightened.

[Fish-Addict]

My sister and I have a very open relationship with our mother as well. It's not awkward if you don't make it so. I wish these children had been more enlightened.


I just can't get my head around talking to my Mum about such matters. Maybe it is because I am male and my mother is female (obviously LOL)?

You guys are brave about talking about that with your Mothers.n
LOL I've kind of changed the subject LOL

[june2000]

OMG!!!

[avionics30]

They should be forced to raise this kid on their own without public assistance. They must learn that they cannot just do whatever they want without any thought as to how they are going to deal with the responsibility. Their parents can pitch in, but no public aid. That is rediculous! In my opinion, if you are adult enough to do the deed, then you can get job, finish school and raise your kid!

I have to vent..... I am tired of paying nearly $28,000 in taxes every year to support, amongst many other things, poor people that have nothing better to do than have sex. I am not against the poor nor am I against people that want lots of kids. I am against those that know they do not have the resources to support a child, yet go right ahead and add another one to the list!

This woman that just had (8 or 6) kids at one time is a prime example. She has no job! How does she afford to be artificially inseminated let alone take care of all these kids? I bet your tax dollars are hard at work! Ever wonder what would be on your statement if they itemized where every dollar of your tax money went? I bet we would all be pretty upset by what we saw.

Sorry for the emotional outburst. These stories just poke at my fire of frustration when it comes to these matters!

Thanks for letting me vent!

[Fish-Addict]

They should be forced to raise this kid on their own without public assistance. They must learn that they cannot just do whatever they want without any thought as to how they are going to deal with the responsibility. Their parents can pitch in, but no public aid. That is rediculous! In my opinion, if you are adult enough to do the deed, then you can get job, finish school and raise your kid!

I have to vent..... I am tired of paying nearly $28,000 in taxes every year to support, amongst many other things, poor people that have nothing better to do than have sex. I am not against the poor nor am I against people that want lots of kids. I am against those that know they do not have the resources to support a child, yet go right ahead and add another one to the list!

This woman that just had (8 or 6) kids at one time is a prime example. She has no job! How does she afford to be artificially inseminated let alone take care of all these kids? I bet your tax dollars are hard at work! Ever wonder what would be on your statement if they itemized where every dollar of your tax money went? I bet we would all be pretty upset by what we saw.

Sorry for the emotional outburst. These stories just poke at my fire of frustration when it comes to these matters!

Thanks for letting me vent!

Bravo my friend! The best speech I have heard all year! Paying taxes just so you can pay for the people who sit on their backside all day with no job who live on benefits is wrong!
Great little outburst there Avionics!

[avionics30]

LOL! Thanks. I just don't get it! How can you just be so irresponsible?

Thanks again for letting me vent! I feel better. LOL!

[Fish-Addict]

LOL! Thanks. I just don't get it! How can you just be so irresponsible?

Thanks again for letting me vent! I feel better. LOL!

Stupidity. If they were like three I could understand it, but a 12 and a 14 year old????? They must have known the risk. You would have to be pretty stupid to not know the risks at that age.

[petluvr]

They should be forced to raise this kid on their own without public assistance. They must learn that they cannot just do whatever they want without any thought as to how they are going to deal with the responsibility. Their parents can pitch in, but no public aid. That is rediculous! In my opinion, if you are adult enough to do the deed, then you can get job, finish school and raise your kid!

I have to vent..... I am tired of paying nearly $28,000 in taxes every year to support, amongst many other things, poor people that have nothing better to do than have sex. I am not against the poor nor am I against people that want lots of kids. I am against those that know they do not have the resources to support a child, yet go right ahead and add another one to the list!

This woman that just had (8 or 6) kids at one time is a prime example. She has no job! How does she afford to be artificially inseminated let alone take care of all these kids? I bet your tax dollars are hard at work! Ever wonder what would be on your statement if they itemized where every dollar of your tax money went? I bet we would all be pretty upset by what we saw.

Sorry for the emotional outburst. These stories just poke at my fire of frustration when it comes to these matters!

Thanks for letting me vent!
:thm::thm:I think this is the way most people REALLY feel, myself included; however, should the children of these children have to pay for their parents irresponsibilty?

[Fish-Addict]

:thm::thm:I think this is the way most people REALLY feel, myself included; however, should the children of these children have to pay for their parents irresponsibilty?


Yes but surely at that age they know the consequences!?I knew about sex, contraception etc. at that age! How did they not know? I did sex education when I was eleven and agin when I was twelve.
Maybe they new the risks but were taking a gamble. Or they were drunk, which in these days, nothing would suprise me.

[petluvr]

Yes but surely at that age they know the consequences!?I knew about sex, contraception etc. at that age! How did they not know? I did sex education when I was eleven and agin when I was twelve.
Maybe they new the risks but were taking a gamble. Or they were drunk, which in these days, nothing would suprise me.
Nothing has EVER surprised me..LOL...I am sure they knew the consequences. Consequences in their minds though are only short term. They might not get to go to a dance or a party next week-consequences in their juvenile minds-I don't know if I am for sure someone at that age has quite developed the ability to think through actions on a LONG term basis....But I digress that's a bit off topic. I think the immediate thing to do, if it were in the states, would be for the child protection agencies to step in and speak with the people who will ultimately be taking care of this child, the GRAND-parents and determine from there the best interest of the newborn.

[cellodaisy]

They should be forced to raise this kid on their own without public assistance. They must learn that they cannot just do whatever they want without any thought as to how they are going to deal with the responsibility. Their parents can pitch in, but no public aid. That is rediculous! In my opinion, if you are adult enough to do the deed, then you can get job, finish school and raise your kid!

I sympathize, but unfortunately it is the new baby who pays the price if we take this route. As much as we might want to punish these children for being irresponsible, we can't use their baby as the punishment. That baby is a human being who did not ask to be born at all, much less born under such circumstances.

I don't like shelling out taxes any more than the next person, but it's part of the deal. We all contribute to a safety net. We cannot make that net perfect. We will let some people fall who should have been caught, and we will help some people we perhaps shouldn't have. It's life. I would much rather live have a government that does not let people starve, that makes sure they get an education, that takes care of them when they are sick, than a government that lives in fear of accidentally helping someone too much.

[vanillaXtiffy]

I sympathize, but unfortunately it is the new baby who pays the price if we take this route. As much as we might want to punish these children for being irresponsible, we can't use their baby as the punishment. That baby is a human being who did not ask to be born at all, much less born under such circumstances.

I don't like shelling out taxes any more than the next person, but it's part of the deal. We all contribute to a safety net. We cannot make that net perfect. We will let some people fall who should have been caught, and we will help some people we perhaps shouldn't have. It's life. I would much rather live have a government that does not let people starve, that makes sure they get an education, that takes care of them when they are sick, than a government that lives in fear of accidentally helping someone too much.

Couldn't have said it better myself. =) This is the best post in this thread. Seriously, reading through this thread made me wonder how a lot of you can have so much compassion for fish, but none for people. What would you do if your kids were in the same mess? Throw them to the streets, let them handle it on their own? Throw your grandchild out there like that? Not me. I'd be mad, yeah. Ripping mad. But I would help them. Make sure my kids finished their educations so they could get good jobs to be able to support their kids in the future without my help. It's called breaking the cycle. If you just send kids on their own to raise their kids, how do you think that third generation will turn out? They'll do the same thing. When life is hard, vices are key. And let's face it, sex is a vice.

[Fish-Addict]

Couldn't have said it better myself. =) This is the best post in this thread. Seriously, reading through this thread made me wonder how a lot of you can have so much compassion for fish, but none for people. What would you do if your kids were in the same mess? Throw them to the streets, let them handle it on their own? Throw your grandchild out there like that? Not me. I'd be mad, yeah. Ripping mad. But I would help them. Make sure my kids finished their educations so they could get good jobs to be able to support their kids in the future without my help. It's called breaking the cycle. If you just send kids on their own to raise their kids, how do you think that third generation will turn out? They'll do the same thing. When life is hard, vices are key. And let's face it, sex is a vice.

Fish don't answer back ;) LOL.
I know what you are saying, butif I had kids, I would make sure they didnt get into that mess in the first place.

[stezatois]

i read that when it was in the paper and the boy looks about 8. Its really bad that hes not even old enough to go out to work for more than a few pounds a week as a paper boy. Schools these days do have sex education classes, free contraception offered at the family planning clinics, she at least is old wnough to have known better. She will just be another member of our society proud to be scrounging off the hard working tax payers. gggrrrrrrr

[stezatois]

Couldn't have said it better myself. =) This is the best post in this thread. Seriously, reading through this thread made me wonder how a lot of you can have so much compassion for fish, but none for people. What would you do if your kids were in the same mess? Throw them to the streets, let them handle it on their own? Throw your grandchild out there like that? Not me. I'd be mad, yeah. Ripping mad. But I would help them. Make sure my kids finished their educations so they could get good jobs to be able to support their kids in the future without my help. It's called breaking the cycle. If you just send kids on their own to raise their kids, how do you think that third generation will turn out? They'll do the same thing. When life is hard, vices are key. And let's face it, sex is a vice.


My step sister was 18 when she had her son.... and Yes her mother threw her and her 2 week old son out on the streets in December no less. She walked 5 miles to my house in the snow with only the clothes on her and his backs. So yeh it does make one a little less compassionate about people sometimes

[cellodaisy]

Couldn't have said it better myself. =)

Thanks!


And let's face it, sex is a vice.

Only if you do it right. :lipssealedsmilie:

(Sorry, just had to lighten things up a bit. ;) )

[vanillaXtiffy]

Fish don't answer back ;) LOL.
I know what you are saying, butif I had kids, I would make sure they didnt get into that mess in the first place.

=3 Good point about the fish. Problem with 'making sure' is that you can't make sure of something like that. You can do your best to hope they learn what you try to teach them and abide by your rules, but in the end it is up to them. If it was that easy, we wouldn't have these kinds of problems.


My step sister was 18 when she had her son.... and Yes her mother threw her and her 2 week old son out on the streets in December no less. She walked 5 miles to my house in the snow with only the clothes on her and his backs. So yeh it does make one a little less compassionate about people sometimes

How would that make you less compassionate? If anything, seeing something like that happen so close to home (or literally in your home) should make you feel for these people and understand why these things happen. I am from "the ghetto" and it's all around me. Friends, family members, neighbors. My mom's best friend's 15 year old daughter just had a baby last month. I could (and often do =X)say a lot of bad things about my mom's best friend and her parenting abilities, but at least she is supporting her daughter and loving her no matter what. Puts a warm spot in my heart for her where there otherwise was not one.

[vanillaXtiffy]

Thanks!



Only if you do it right. :lipssealedsmilie:

(Sorry, just had to lighten things up a bit. ;) )

:lol::rofl:

[Fish-Addict]

Thanks!



Only if you do it right. :lipssealedsmilie:

(Sorry, just had to lighten things up a bit. ;) )


LOL That's a good one... ;)

[J double R]

:O those bits even WORK at that age?!

[jpappy789]

Isn't The Sun a tabloid?

If so, I wouldn't be taking this as truth...

[sapphire384]

i think the whole thing is shameful. it's a sign of the degradation of morals in our society. sex at such a young age when there is a risk of pregnancy is just the warning sign of it.

[Reefscape]

Isn't The Sun a tabloid?

If so, I wouldn't be taking this as truth...


The same story is reported by all the news networks in the UK, not just the sun...

[jpappy789]

Ah, wasn't aware of that.

[ToeJam]

They should be forced to raise this kid on their own without public assistance. They must learn that they cannot just do whatever they want without any thought as to how they are going to deal with the responsibility. Their parents can pitch in, but no public aid. That is rediculous! In my opinion, if you are adult enough to do the deed, then you can get job, finish school and raise your kid!

I have to vent..... I am tired of paying nearly $28,000 in taxes every year to support, amongst many other things, poor people that have nothing better to do than have sex. I am not against the poor nor am I against people that want lots of kids. I am against those that know they do not have the resources to support a child, yet go right ahead and add another one to the list!

This woman that just had (8 or 6) kids at one time is a prime example. She has no job! How does she afford to be artificially inseminated let alone take care of all these kids? I bet your tax dollars are hard at work! Ever wonder what would be on your statement if they itemized where every dollar of your tax money went? I bet we would all be pretty upset by what we saw.

Sorry for the emotional outburst. These stories just poke at my fire of frustration when it comes to these matters!

Thanks for letting me vent!

I fully understand your rant. Don't get too blinded by the rage you must feel about it. once a child is here we are forced to deal with the reality of the mistake..its already done now.

And I hate public assistance abuse... I do see that we can't as a society/community turn our backs on the kidds born in this type of scenario.

To punish them would also punish the child born...and they deserve better than the situation they were born into.

All i know is prevention on this is not strong enough today. And I feel the same rage about this as you do.

[vanillaXtiffy]

At least they didn't do what some young parents have been reported doing.....flush the baby down a toilet, toss it in a trash bin, etc. All because they didn't want to deal with the responsibility or with what society -coughuscough- would think of them.

[Rbishop]

ahem....

[avionics30]

OK, maybe I need to clarify what I meant about making these kids responsible. These two went in to this knowing full well that they would be OK with a baby without a whole lot of effort. Why? Because society makes it known that if you are broke and have kids, that they have your back due to the fact that you have a child. If you are single or married for that matter with no children and are broke, then you better find a job. That's pretty much how I see things happening. There was a time that I went from making nearly $200,000.00 a year to being unemployed due to contractual issues. When I filed for unemployment they laughed in my face! Now if I had a kid???? Maybe I wouldn't have had as amny laughs, and that's OK.

What needs to happen is a huge turn around (OBAMA) in how easily folks get off the hook for mistakes. I would be more than happy to put my tax dollars toward child care so that these two kids can go to school and get their GED at best and still hold down a job that would allow them to afford diapers, food, medicine, clothes, etc. This is all with the well being of the baby in mind. I think it's a much better way of spending money!

What I have a problem with is paying them welfare so that they can not have a job and sit at home and make more kids. That's what happens. Trust me I have one in my family. They are baby machines, just for this purpose! Oh, and they get free school that neither one of them are intertested in taking advantage of. The system enables this type of activity. It's disgusting!

This message has been brought to you by a frustrated tax payer. LOL!

[Rbishop]

Let try to keep the politics out of it please. Thanks.

[BreellaBlue87]

He was twelve when he had sex with her.
Good points BTW.
I don't feel srry for either of them. At that age of course they know about all that kindof stuff, as it is talked about often. How could they be so stupid? I know that it is underage and wrong, but contraception is so freely available that something like that shouldnt happen.

Sorry, I've been at work since I posted this...

I have to agree. I have a 13 year old sister and she knows that she can get condoms or the pill rather easily if she needed it (she assures me she doesn't though) AND I'm told that in Britain it's so much easier to get a hold of.

[jm1212]

there is no way that kid is 13 and that woman is 15. no way.

[noodles62]

:iagree: I have raised three boys to adulthood and he really looks to be about 9 or 10!

[vanillaXtiffy]

It would be dumb of them to lie and say he's older than he is when they'd get better ratings if he actually WAS 9 0r 10


juss sayin'