Well, i didn't listen to you guys, and got the Blue Lobster, big mistake *PICS* [Archive]

STaNgXs

11-13-2003, 9:07 PM

well, i should have listened, and NOT have got it, haha... learn from my mistakes... ALWAYS listen to advice when given it :D

when i got him:

http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/185702.JPG

the morning after, he ate my big Anel fish, that i had in the tank for about 2 months (yes, the black/white thing in the fron is him) :( :

http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/186807.JPG

this is what he use to look like :( :

http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/128621.JPG

took him back to Petco today, and traded it for a small Angel fish, and 2 chinese algae eaters, blue backround for the tank, and a cool looking Bucaneer for the tank :D

New setup:

http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/188070.JPG

yashinfan

11-13-2003, 9:14 PM

That is a great pic of the lobster tho! Your angel was very pretty, sorry to hear about how bad that worked out. I think the lobster is very cute, maybe you should have set it up in its own tank? But too late now I suppose.

hokiems

11-13-2003, 10:12 PM

Well that sucks...

Honestly though, I've never had a problem with either of my crayfish. Guess it just goes to show that even little critters can have vastly different personalities.

Mark

JSchmidt

11-13-2003, 10:14 PM

:rolleyes:

kveeti

11-13-2003, 10:28 PM

Am I correct that your tank is a 10 gallon? That is too small long term for either an angel fish or a Chinese algae eater, never mind 2 of them. Also, as they grow, I don't think 2 will get along, they are territorial.

rich

11-13-2003, 10:36 PM

yep with 2 chinese algae eaters in there you may wish you kept the crayfish. there gonna get big as hell and when they do they stop eating algae and go for other fish. SAE or otos are what you should get.

ROLLIN

11-13-2003, 11:05 PM

I agree with rich, chinese algae eaters are generally not good aquarium fish. Theyre usually ok until they hit about 3 inches, then they will start to bother other fish.

STaNgXs

11-13-2003, 11:45 PM

they don't seem to be bothering any fish...

i guess i'll take them out when i see that they do..

what Algea eaters do you guys recommend?

rich

11-13-2003, 11:56 PM

they wont bother any fish until they get bigger and believe me they will get bigger. i just bought a tank off a girl and got all of her livestock in the deal. one of the fish was a CAE and he was about 6" long. i took him straight to the LFS before he had a chance to go after any of the cichlids i put in the tank. once they hit 3-4" they will possibly decide that the sides of your angel look tasty. they will also decide theres not enough room for the both of them and go to war.

id opt for 2 otos. they love brown algae and are peacefull fish. they get about 2-3". you could also get a clown pleco but they can get a bit grumpy if theres alot of other bottom fish. mine would headbutt the cories away from his log cave so i moved him to a bigger tank where he could have the bottom to himself.

yeah id say 2 otos and mabye a couple amano shrimp.

another but of advice is to read up on a fish your interested in before you get it. that way you will get an idea if you house said fish without problems.

blitzen25bm

11-14-2003, 12:08 AM

you shouldnt put crayfish with fish because fish usually sleep on the bottom and thats when the crayfish comes out. one even attacked my arowana and then he got payback by eating it.

SimonWoodstock

11-14-2003, 1:17 AM

i want one of those bucaneer things. it looks cool, i was thinking about finding a toy skeleton that is all plastic or something to hang from my driftwood branches. can you get a close up of it.

btw, sorry about the angel....those crawfish are sneaky little *-*

*i cant type right today for some reason....ill probably find more that i forgot to edit out, but oh well*

STaNgXs

11-14-2003, 1:56 AM

Originally posted by SimonWoodstock
i want one of those bucaneer things. it looks cool, i was thinking about finding a toy skeleton that is all plastic or something to hang from my driftwood branches. can you get a close up of it.

btw, sorry about the angel....those crawfish are sneaky little *-*

*i cant type right today for some reason....ill probably find more that i forgot to edit out, but oh well*

Sure :cool:

http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/188480.JPG

http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/188479.JPG

Locust

11-14-2003, 2:00 AM

Nice photos, sorry about the angelfish.

If you want some algae eaters, I'd say a handful of amano shrimp are your best bet. They are a lot lighter on your bioload then fish, and they'll eat a wide range of algae. Your next best bet is ottos, but they're unlikely to eat anything besides brown algae. They are great fish, though, so if you like the look of them go ahead and get some (1 or 2 for a 10G).

If you do keep the CAEs then I'd suggest reading the profile here:
http://aquariacentral.com/species/db.cgi?db=fresh&uid=default&ID=0535&view_records=1

SimonWoodstock

11-14-2003, 11:14 AM

cool, i can just see my pleco eating algae off of its face.:D
thanks

*you take good pics too. any secrets you could share w/ the ones of us who suck at it?*

hineigger

11-14-2003, 12:58 PM

"Am I correct that your tank is a 10 gallon? That is too small long term for either an angel fish or a Chinese algae eater, never mind 2 of them"

Thats one thing I cant stand about this forum. People ALWAYS have to ruin every thread by *****ing about over crowding. You think he doesnt know? Hes not an idiot, he knows. Why dont you people just look at the pics and comment on the pics, the TOPIC of the post, instead of ALWAYS, thread after thread after thread, change every topic into overcrowding.

I honestly think if topics were to change as the thread changes, EVERY THREAD on this board would be titled "Overcrowded" or "Tank to small".

It makes me sick.

He posted pics and a story, so comment on that and save your whining for a thread titled "Is my tank overcrowded?"

WolfPup522

11-14-2003, 1:33 PM

hineigger - get a grip! People on this forum are generally very helpful and throwing in stuff like that helps people learn, if they are not already aware. IMO, no one was rude, so what is the problem with being helpful???

stangxs - I agree with ottos being a good choice, but be sure to get at least 3 of them. They like to be in groups (I have 5 in one of my tanks). If you have alot of green algae, I would recommend going with something else - mine don't eat it much. I've never had amano shrimp, but I might try them based on this thread!:D

STaNgXs

11-14-2003, 1:45 PM

Thanks for all the comments and advice everyone :cool:

Simon- i don't do anytihng really specail, you just need a good camera, and good light, the pictures should come out fine. :D

Hinegger- lol, I don't worry too much about people saying my tank is over crowded... when i first got it, i had : 2 clown loaches, 1 Angel, 1 Mono, 2 guppies, 8 Neons, and 3 (forgot the name, pretty small striped fish)... a lot of people told me the fish wil die very fast.. i had them for about 2 months and not one of them died. Last week i have taken out the Mono and 2 Clown Loaches, b/c they were getting a littl too big... but i think my tank is fine now :cool:

Wolfpup- I only have brown algea in my tank. do you know if the Ottos are as active as the CAE's, I love watching those guys move around.

WolfPup522

11-14-2003, 1:56 PM

I don't know if I'd call ottos "active". Mine kinda sit on a leaf, the glass, a rock, or whatever until someone swims along nearby or they see me - then it's either "freeze mode" where you could swear they are thinking 'if I can just stay perfectly still, they won't see me' or it's "nascar mode" where they dart off like their tails are on fire! But they are absolutely adorable and I love mine! They do like caves and good places to hide and you'll see them more when the tank light is off.

rich

11-14-2003, 2:45 PM

otos are semi active, they get more active if there are more of their kind in the tank. they look like tiny little sharks with sucker mouths and sit/ grab hold of surfaces with there little bottom fins. they will eat all of the brown algae in the tank with a quickness and you will need to suplement some algae wafers/veggies so they dont get real hungry and rasp your fish.

and i think the common advice of "your tank is overstocked" is due to the reason that people commonly overstocked. sure the fish may be happy in that little tank for awhile but when they get big and can only move like 6 inches forward there is no way in hell that that is a comfortable fish. its the aquarists job to make a comfortable environment for their fish and overcrowding is not conducive to such an environment.

OrionGirl

11-14-2003, 2:54 PM

Criticizing people for being helpful? Well, here's some criticism for being unhelpful. Offering advice and sharing information is why many people come to this forum. It's usually good advice, and dead on. If you are not willing to have this type of comment, you have the choice to ignore it. But, I will NOT discourage people from offering it, since often times it is not something the poster is knew. As long as these types of comments are made politely, they are okay.

Slappy*McFish

11-14-2003, 5:07 PM

I strongly agree with Oriongirl here. If you need confirmation on the value of good advice just reread the very 1st post in this thread.

BTW...StangXs, your tank is intriguing.

Hans

11-14-2003, 6:19 PM

the fish are not too big for the tank until they are big! enjoy them while you can is my motto, then scoup em out and set them free!

OrionGirl

11-14-2003, 10:50 PM

I am really going to hope that you are 'freeing' the fish into a larger tank or back to the LFS. Releasing fish into an open waterway is a bad choice, even if it is not actually illegal, it encourages further restrictions on the species of fish we all can enjoy legally, puts native species at risk for diseases and predation in many cases, and is just poor care of animals you purchased to care for.

125gJoe

11-15-2003, 10:38 AM

http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/188480.JPG
Sorry that I'm off the topic, but isn't that a bit of a "pose" there?
Put a red T-shirt on him and send him off to Disney!!

LOL
...kidding... ...just joking..
:D

Matak

11-15-2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by ROLLIN
I agree with rich, chinese algae eaters are generally not good aquarium fish. Theyre usually ok until they hit about 3 inches, then they will start to bother other fish. Both Kveeti and I have CAE's that are about 4" long and close to mature. Mine still feeds on algae and doesn't bother with other fish at all and I believe that Kveeti's is similar in this respect. But, this is probably the exception rather than the rule.

STaNgXs

11-15-2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by OrionGirl
I am really going to hope that you are 'freeing' the fish into a larger tank or back to the LFS. Releasing fish into an open waterway is a bad choice, even if it is not actually illegal, it encourages further restrictions on the species of fish we all can enjoy legally, puts native species at risk for diseases and predation in many cases, and is just poor care of animals you purchased to care for.

:confused: what are you talking about? :confused:

ROLLIN

11-15-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by STaNgXs

:confused: what are you talking about? :confused:

I think she was referring to hans' comment "enjoy them while you can is my motto, then scoup em out and set them free!".

Slappy*McFish

11-15-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by 80gJoe
http://www.digitalstar.com/stangxs/images/188480.JPG
Sorry that I'm off the topic, but isn't that a bit of a "pose" there?
Put a red T-shirt on him and send him off to Disney!!

LOL
...kidding... ...just joking..
:D

LOL..yeah it is quite the pose. I can easily imagine him saying "Haaaay!", in a rather lisping, effeminate sounding voice.

Rometiklan

11-15-2003, 3:37 PM

Whoa, slow your roll, hineigger. You accuse people who offer appropriate and polite advice, of being "whiners"? Go back and re-read your own post in this thread. You are the one who comes across as the whiner. Take a valium and relax. Your points are exaggerated unfairly. You honestly think every thread's topic should be changed to "Tank too small" or "Overcrowded"? If that is what you believe, then you obviously haven't followed this forum very closely. There is not even a single thread ruined by people offering helpful advice. However, these threads *are* ruined by whiners who should have the good sense to ignore posts which offer this type of advice since it makes you sick, as you claim. I would respectfully suggest you stop reading this forum since the sound and excellent advice is so detrimental to your health. By the way, I hope you are feeling much better soon.

Originally posted by hineigger
"Am I correct that your tank is a 10 gallon? That is too small long term for either an angel fish or a Chinese algae eater, never mind 2 of them"

Thats one thing I cant stand about this forum. People ALWAYS have to ruin every thread by *****ing about over crowding. You think he doesnt know? Hes not an idiot, he knows. Why dont you people just look at the pics and comment on the pics, the TOPIC of the post, instead of ALWAYS, thread after thread after thread, change every topic into overcrowding.

I honestly think if topics were to change as the thread changes, EVERY THREAD on this board would be titled "Overcrowded" or "Tank to small".

It makes me sick.

He posted pics and a story, so comment on that and save your whining for a thread titled "Is my tank overcrowded?"

aquariumfishguy

11-15-2003, 4:18 PM

Don't bother Romet, this is the way people act when they have been told something they dont want to hear. The irony is, then why the HELL are they here?! LOL :rolleyes:

dwf73

11-15-2003, 7:31 PM

In Hineigger's defense, there does seem to be an overly-righteous attitude in the forum where people do, for some reason or another, make it their priority to criticize people's tanks as being overcrowded. They may be trying to be helpful, and cheers to that, but there is often a tone of derision and it is probably quite offensive to people who are not even seeking advice about their tank stocking. It is more than okay to offer advice about overcrowding, but maybe it should be reserved to instances where people specifically ask about it- or not, if you think it is your moral obligation to call them on it. But really, people say it with a harsh attitude, and I have noticed it as well.

aquariumfishguy

11-15-2003, 7:37 PM

I havent detected a harsh attitude yet?!?! :eek:

...and if you could tell me, how do you detect [a strangers] tone by how they type? :confused:

Matak

11-15-2003, 7:40 PM

You are right, DWF, in some cases there is an overbearing attitude toward the overstocker. The old adage is true: you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Having said that though, I think the concern is not toward the tank owner, but toward the tank residents. They would like to see better conditions for the fish at the risk of offending the person that asked the question.

I am not a radical animal activist, but I do believe we should give the best care we can to our pets.

dwf73

11-15-2003, 7:41 PM

You can look up tone in the dictionary if you like. I really do not think my statement needs to be qualified.

aquariumfishguy

11-15-2003, 8:22 PM

what the heck are you babbling about? I didnt ask for the definition of "tone", I asked how you could detect someones attitude by how they type. You dont seem to be making much sense...:eek:

BigFishDude

11-15-2003, 8:41 PM

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aquariumfishguy

11-15-2003, 8:55 PM

perhaps we are a little crabby (its getting late here!) so to prevent this thread from closing I will simply say this:

ITA with Matak, I feel that if looking out for the best interests of the animal in question comes between a possible friendship with the questionable member, I would choose the animal. Thats what we are here to help each other with. Just because this person didnt ask if the stocking level is alright, doesn't mean we should turn the other cheek and pretend we didnt read what we clearly read! lol :p Besides, any rational person who wants their animals to succeed would want help or thoughts from others, regardless of if they asked for it or not.

At the risk of offending or upsetting a member, would I speak out on the behalf of the fish?
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...you can bet your last dollar I would. ;)

dwf73

11-15-2003, 9:00 PM

Originally posted by aquariumfishguy
I havent detected a harsh attitude yet?!?! :eek:

...and if you could tell me, how do you detect [a strangers] tone by how they type? :confused:

I detect their tone by reading what they type, I am not sure why you are confused (and I am sorry about the dictionary remark, it was well out of line). I couldn't agree more with what Matak said in that we all have a responsibility to an animal if we choose to keep it as a pet, and it is important for people to know when they have a crowded tank, I just think it could be handled in a more polite way. I apologize if you don't view the situation in the same way as I do, you are entitled to your opinion.
PS that is an excellent lock Bigfishdude

aquariumfishguy

11-15-2003, 9:12 PM

Well I see what your saying...but in this persons case, they posted their munched up angelfish and then proceeded to tell us all about their mini-tank and its inhabitants. :D

...PS: this site is nothing compared to some I've been to...in terms of rudeness. Some people are so mean at other forums, you can practically HEAR them yelling into the monitor! :p

Slappy*McFish

11-15-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by kveeti
Am I correct that your tank is a 10 gallon? That is too small long term for either an angel fish or a Chinese algae eater, never mind 2 of them. Also, as they grow, I don't think 2 will get along, they are territorial.

I really hate to drag this on any further, but in Kveeti's defense, I see nothing harsh about this statement at all. Kveeti is one of the nicest and most helpful people in this forum.