Quit hunting deer and go after dogs

[excuzzzeme]

As a deer hunter I have to say I'm inclined to try to develop new tastes. This is becoming too common and in the interest of public safety I suggest we start targeting Fido instead.

It's not just the US with problems (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm)

[NYCguppydude]

You need :help:

[fordsrule_68]

You can shoot any stray cats you find in Iowa when your hunting.

[jm1212]

You need :help:
why is that?

[McLendon]

Coy dogs are a prob in WNC

[jpappy789]

I'd rather target the root of the problem: the people who neglect the dogs in the first place.

Can we just shoot them instead?

[NYCguppydude]

why is that?
So.......You don't see a problem with someone posting that they would rather hunt dogs than deer. What I should have said was :swear::banhim::swear::mad2::mad2::mad2:
As an animal lover I will never condone such a statement.

[fordsrule_68]

I hunt coyotes would you consider them dogs?

[leeser28]

So.......You don't see a problem with someone posting that they would rather hunt dogs than deer. What I should have said was :swear::banhim::swear::mad2::mad2::mad2:
As an animal lover I will never condone such a statement.

So it's better to hunt deer - an animal that would never drag off an kill a child - then to hunt stray dogs that could pose a serious threat?

[jpappy789]

These aren't lap dogs mind you..

[NYCguppydude]

I just figured out that there was a link included in the OP's post.
But still stand behind what I said. People are to blame...As always. Not the animals.

[Lupin]

So.......You don't see a problem with someone posting that they would rather hunt dogs than deer. What I should have said was :swear::banhim::swear::mad2::mad2::mad2:
As an animal lover I will never condone such a statement.
The last statement is ironic. Deer certainly are animals not just dogs. Leeser has a good point. Consider an example here in the Philippines. There are many cities here where stray dogs roam around. Many dogs are beyond help as they are rabid. Deer certainly do not harm anyone as stray dogs do. I cannot blame the dogs of course for what they are more than the irresponsible owners who leave them astray around. It is now illegal in some cities here to release the dogs. Either keep them in your compound or they'll end up to the dog pound although rabid dogs are now shot for the children's sake.

[jpappy789]

Read the article then. The link is the second line of text.

[cellodaisy]

I'm not a fan of hunting anything that you don't plan to eat---killing for the sake of killing is no good in my book, so you'd better look up some recipes for fillet o' pooch.

Despite the fact that I'm an animal lover to the core and personally vegetarian, I don't see it as wrong in some fundamental way to eat animals or to humanely put down a dangerous animal if you have no other choice, such as relocation, etc. I have to agree with leeser. If being an animal lover means you're against killing dogs, why is killing deer okay?

[BreezeRuehls]

look up the song......"Beef and Broccoli" its by Immortal Technique, That's the best stand..

[7itanium]

I am an avid animal lover

also... and avid big game hunter (thought I havent went in a year or two after moving)

I dont kill anything that I cannot or will not eat (besides the occasional coyote.. but I sell the pelts and they are out of control anyway)

I would not eat a dog mind you... so im not going to go out intentionally hunting them... but if there was a pack of rabid dogs running around and threatened the health of my family... you bet your bottom dollar I would put a bullet in its head.

just as a dog has a right to defend its puppies against a man with a gun... a man with a gun has a right to defend his family against the rabid dog.

[BreezeRuehls]

I got my side ripped open by a friends crazy German Shepperd. Did not shoot it. But I punched it so hard in the neck it let me go and gagged! Now I got a nice scar, but I never wanted to kill it. (the owner bought me so much beer after that)

[7itanium]

I got my side ripped open by a friends crazy German Shepperd. Did not shoot it. But I punched it so hard in the neck it let me go and gagged! Now I got a nice scar, but I never wanted to kill it. (the owner bought me so much beer after that)


commendable... but would you have had the same reaction if it had attacked your child?

what if it had given the kid rabies?

dont get me wrong... I love dogs-- but there does come a point in the life of a certain creature when it becomes necessary to put it down

[alleykat0498]

I got bit in the face by a red dobie, luckily I was just far enough that it only caught my upper lip another 1/8" and I'd have been mauled.

The owner insisted the dog be shot. I was the second person said animal had bitten, so I obliged.

The owner has to establish dominance with certain breeds of K-9's and it is the owner's responsibility to do so. In the event the owner fails to do so the dog is ruined and needs to be relocated or "rehomed" to a place where this can take place. If this is not possible it has to be dealt with. We didnt climb to the top of the food chain to be bitten by the hand that feeds us!

Hope this doesnt offend anyone, but if an animal capable of complex thought has the wrong sequence of thoughts and harms someone it will do it again and needs to be dealt with accordingly.

I don't condone animal cruelty in anyway shape or form. I have two dogs that sleep in the bed every night and live an extremely lavish lifestyle.

Just my .02

[BreezeRuehls]

IF it had one of my babies, Id bite a hole in its jugular and rip its head off with my hands!

[timbo83]

As for for me and my family we eat deer all year. Thats one less thing i have to buy at the store and with the way the economy is we may all have to. We had a pack of 12 wild dogs on our land that would chase down deer kill them and leave them to rot. they wouldnt eat them. i watched it happen twice so i know it was them. After finding 17 dead deer and a couple had some really nice racks, we had to kill them all. Put me down as much as you want for doing it but when it comes down to a dog killing the deer or me killing it and supplying food for my family i dont think twice before i shoot. i have 2 english sheperds for pheasent hunting that i would never think about shooting but when it comes to wild dogs killing deer or HUMANS as the story says I say kill them all

[McLendon]

Coyote dog crosses have become a big problem over most of the south and west.yes it would be nice if people would curb there free running dogs but far to many don't. The county I am in has No pound if you call the law they will not pick up a stray,so land owners are left with few choices.more often then not a round of 308 fixes the prob

[leeser28]

Just an add-on to my earlier other comment - I am not opposed to hunting game at all. I grew up in a family that hunted all kinds of game and fished. As long is the animal is eaten and maybe other parts used (although not so necessary as it was 200 years ago) I think it's a good way to help keep the population of deer down (I mainly focus on deer because everywhere I have lived in NY state the deer populations are out of control - not enough predators).

I also strongly believe that wild dogs are out of control, and most of this is due to humans not properly caring for the dogs they take in. I lived in a small town where it was legal to allow your dogs to roam free. Once while out pushing my baby in a stroller and walking my lab on a leash one of the "free" dogs came up and started terrorizing us. I pressed charges, which were ultimately dropped because neither my baby nor I got bitten, and it was legal for dogs to roam free.

[excuzzzeme]

The issue is not about morals or the lack of. The issue is about the dogs reverting to the pack mentality and chasing down humans. The cause as we well know is a lack of responsible ownership. It does no good to close the barn door after the horse has gone or to jail the owner (which should be done). Once loose and on the prowl they become dangerous period. Livestock, game, and humans all become targets. Poisoning has too many repercussions as does trapping. when they start dragging children off their bikes they are too vicious for anything and need to be put down. It is neither a moral issue or preference, it has become an unfortunate necessity of our own making.

[Winged]

This is somewhat off topic, but the title of this thread and the article referenced reminds me of "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift.

[edh]

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[jpappy789]

This is somewhat off topic, but the title of this thread and the article referenced reminds me of "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift.
I love that essay :evil_lol:

[Winged]

I love that essay :evil_lol:

Me too. :evil_lol:

If anybody hasn't read that, they definitely need to: A Modest Proposal (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html)

[bettagurl]

So it's better to hunt deer - an animal that would never drag off an kill a child - then to hunt stray dogs that could pose a serious threat?

*cough* actually, deer attacks are not uncommon at all... They gore people very often, especially in captivity.
And form what I've read and heard, they kill more people in captivity than any predator, and even more from car wrecks, if you count that, they kill more people than any other animal in North America.


Irresponsible ownership is to blame, as well as not getting dogs who don't have AMAZING pedigrees and titles, great temper, and are up to the standard Ect. ect. ect. spayed or neutered. There are millions of dogs who have no homes that could have been spared if people would get their pets fixed or not get one at all.


No, the ones who have killed need to be humanely euthanized if possible, and the rest spayed. People do not see the root of the problem.
EVERY dog with aggression issues has a reason for it, and it can be corrected... I am rather appalled by the fact someone says they shot a dog because it nipped them and bit another?
Rather than work on your dog's social habits and make it understand people are not a threat to him, and are not to be bitten but respected by positive association, lets kill him in an inhumane way!

[Lexi_D]

:iagree:


So it's better to hunt deer - an animal that would never drag off an kill a child - then to hunt stray dogs that could pose a serious threat?

Well, actually, it is better to hunt the deer (around here especially) since they are overpopulating and destroying the forest undergrowth. Also, what bettagurl said:

actually, deer attacks are not uncommon at all... They gore people very often, especially in captivity.

I also agree with what jpappy said about getting to the root of the problem- the people.

[jpappy789]

One thing that comes to mind is how to efficiently pre-screen and then keep tabs on dog owners. There simply isn't enough resources to do so in a large area.

[Winged]

One thing that comes to mind is how to efficiently pre-screen and then keep tabs on dog owners. There simply isn't enough resources to do so in a large area.

That's too much government in our personal lives, especially if they decided to "keep tabs on dog owners". I don't think the government needs to know every time my dog barks at somebody or gets in a defensive position when somebody gets too close to her alpha, me, and she sees them as a threat (she has never bitten anybody other than me, and the last time she did that was as a puppy; the worst she has ever done is give a warning bark and growl).

There are tons and tons of good dogs out there, and majority of dog owners are at least decent. It would also be next to impossible for the government to know about every litter of puppies born, especially when there are many born as strays.

[jpappy789]

That's too much government in our personal lives, especially if they decided to "keep tabs on dog owners". I don't think the government needs to know every time my dog barks at somebody or gets in a defensive position when somebody gets too close to her alpha, me, and she sees them as a threat (she has never bitten anybody other than me, and the last time she did that was as a puppy; the worst she has ever done is give a warning bark and growl).

There are tons and tons of good dogs out there, and majority of dog owners are at least decent. It would also be next to impossible for the government to know about every litter of puppies born, especially when there are many born as strays.

That's another thing I was thinking about.

[kj5kb]

I'd rather target the root of the problem: the people who neglect the dogs in the first place.

Can we just shoot them instead?

Always remember to spay or neuter irresponsible pet owners :headshake2:

[Lupin]

Always remember to spay or neuter irresponsible pet owners :headshake2:
:lipssealedsmilie:

[bettagurl]

Always remember to spay or neuter irresponsible pet owners :headshake2:

I like the way you think...
There is a family down the road who breed their pit bull ***** twice a year for the last 4 years. I found one of their pups running loose. They did not get it back. I made a thread about her, covered in tar, and VERY fear aggressive.

[red_wall]

My brothers wife lives in Aviano, Italy.
She says they take care of this problem.
All of the local fast food places don't really sell you chicken nuggets/tenders...
They actually take in stray cats and dogs off of the street and sell them as chicken.
There are NO stray animals in Aviano, as soon as one is found it is snapped up by local restaraunts.
At least thats what she tells me.
I can actually believe it, with all of these animal attacks going on recently.

As for the topic at hand, I wouldn't think twice when shooting a rabid dog.






Just my 2 cents.

[pinkertd]

I hunt coyotes would you consider them dogs?

Hey, if you're ever going thru my neck of the woods, there's a big pack that lives on the mountain behind me....have at em!:) Raises the hair on the back of my neck at 5:00 in the morning when I'm walking my dog and they are right behind one of the houses in my development howling and yipping and cackling. They are so loud they wake everybody up. Very eerie!

[jpappy789]

My brothers wife lives in Aviano, Italy.
She says they take care of this problem.
All of the local fast food places don't really sell you chicken nuggets/tenders...
They actually take in stray cats and dogs off of the street and sell them as chicken.
There are NO stray animals in Aviano, as soon as one is found it is snapped up by local restaraunts.
At least thats what she tells me.
I can actually believe it, with all of these animal attacks going on recently.

As for the topic at hand, I wouldn't think twice when shooting a rabid dog.






Just my 2 cents.

Stray dog/cat meat? Sounds unsanitary...:yuck:

[Lupin]

Stray dog/cat meat? Sounds unsanitary...:yuck:
Ya know people in my country also do that.

[jpappy789]

Ya know people in my country also do that.

Cultural difference, I understand. Just not my cup o' tea ;)

[Lupin]

Not cultural difference. Some people are just not educated about the health risks.;)

[kuhliloach]

I'd rather target the root of the problem: the people who neglect the dogs in the first place.

Can we just shoot them instead?
agreed.

[McLendon]

I think that with a rabies tag dogs should also get an RFID chip.so they can be returned to the owner fast and so the owner can be held to account for the dogs actions

[BreezeRuehls]

you play with nature, expect it to play with you...........

[Reefscape]

you play with nature, expect it to play with you...........


:lol: Genius!!!!! ;)

[bettagurl]

As for the topic at hand, I wouldn't think twice when shooting a rabid dog.






Just my 2 cents.

IF the dog had Rabies, it would be kinder to kill it. If it was viciously trying to attack, no problem, blow it's head off, but a lot of aggression issues can be helped, not in strays that nobody cares for though. And I have to say, most strays are likely related, inbred, and diseased, so no wonder they're attacking.

It really all comes back to people, again. Most things seem to.

[ABATTLEDONKEY]

you play with nature, expect it to play with you...........

so far we're doing a pretty good job! hell, isnt our victory against nature the very reason for all of these envoromental groups? nature is a tool, not an entity. it cannot play back as it has no coordination within itself. that saying is a load......with respect.

I say nix the pooches, and the wolfs, and the boars,(in America) and the bear, and all of these preditory animals. the less of them there are the better, but we better keep a small amount around for good measure. too much deer can always be solved by fat people. to many preditors make them skinny and thier children bleed.

EDIT: I am a HUGE nature Lover and I love Dogs to death. but i Love humans more, and this notion that other animals are more inportant than us is absurd enough for me to take on a lunitics stand point just to counter the hippies.

[bettagurl]

*sigh* do you have any idea what the heck would happen to the environment with natural predators gone?

[BreezeRuehls]

well I am happy to be on the top of the food chain, and am well aware that nature is not some illusive entity. I am well aware that "nature" is not playing a mind game, or whatever you took away from my one sentence, but however, that being said, IF your that confident, I ask you to take a hike in the desert with no shoes on? Or go swimming in shark infested waters? When you think about it, ,that's all the stray dog is doing..... We make our own monsters, and cry about them hiding under the bed..And yeah, I do love animals, but I love them more on my children's plate. Next time you read that one sentence, maybe you can look at it from more than one angel, without putting your actions on my motives? Sound fair?


so far we're doing a pretty good job! hell, isnt our victory against nature the very reason for all of these envoromental groups? nature is a tool, not an entity. it cannot play back as it has no coordination within itself. that saying is a load......with respect.

I say nix the pooches, and the wolfs, and the boars,(in America) and the bear, and all of these preditory animals. the less of them there are the better, but we better keep a small amount around for good measure. too much deer can always be solved by fat people. to many preditors make them skinny and thier children bleed.

EDIT: I am a HUGE nature Lover and I love Dogs to death. but i Love humans more, and this notion that other animals are more inportant than us is absurd enough for me to take on a lunitics stand point just to counter the hippies.

[jameshilljr]

talk about stiring up some:swear: I wonder how many posts will be one here??

[tidioute06]

I actually lived in korea for a while in the air force. Dog as a meat isn't bad if cooked right...just a thought.

[BreezeRuehls]

juicy girls?


I actually lived in korea for a while in the air force. Dog as a meat isn't bad if cooked right...just a thought.

[tidioute06]

juicy girls?
Only on weekends!

[ABATTLEDONKEY]

*sigh* do you have any idea what the heck would happen to the environment with natural predators gone?

Many fat people? I wasnt really clear. i did not want to get rid of all of the preditors. rather target them OVER the food IF the opertunity arises

[BreezeRuehls]

LOL


Only on weekends!

[ABATTLEDONKEY]

well I am happy to be on the top of the food chain, and am well aware that nature is not some illusive entity. I am well aware that "nature" is not playing a mind game, or whatever you took away from my one sentence, but however, that being said, IF your that confident, I ask you to take a hike in the desert with no shoes on? Or go swimming in shark infested waters? When you think about it, ,that's all the stray dog is doing..... We make our own monsters, and cry about them hiding under the bed..And yeah, I do love animals, but I love them more on my children's plate. Next time you read that one sentence, maybe you can look at it from more than one angel, without putting your actions on my motives? Sound fair?

?????????

HA HA HA. i am afraid that this attitude shifting might be the other way around. i was not trying to assume you were a hippy or unmindfull of the humanity of people over animals. but that sentance lends a LOT. when i hear people say crazy things like that, 99% of the time they are hippy vegetarians advotacing a decimation of the human race to save a dang mouse. usually that sentance is followed up by a suggestion to UNDO civilization in an effort to advinace natures natural course(assuming humanity is not natural.)


as to you suggestions, i dont have to do those thing because i would wet the desert and bomb the waters. thats the wonderful thing about humans, we can use the environment against itself. taking intelligence out of humanity to compare us to nature is like claiming the USA does not have a great army if we took out the technology. its just kind of.....well mute.

and though we make our own monsters, the only thing holding us back from fixing the problems is the softies with hearts a wee to big. this post is a great example. OP suggested a solution, then weenies without a pair think the solution is a bad one, and the problem becomes bigger. not fair huh?

[McLendon]

Hippies.unless you are over the age of say 45,You have never seen a Real hippie you have only seen Gen X and Gen Y wanna be's. If back in the day you were on the right ,then you don't know what your talking about either cause You never went to the meetings.Oh and BTW the word is YIPPIE=Youthful INDEDENT PEOPLE'S PARTY

[BreezeRuehls]

wow, lol this is almost as bad as religious or political arguments!;)

[Reefscape]

Lets keep to the thread OP's topic folks...

[kuhliloach]

treat other species with respect and they will respect you...

[jpappy789]

so far we're doing a pretty good job! hell, isnt our victory against nature the very reason for all of these envoromental groups? nature is a tool, not an entity. it cannot play back as it has no coordination within itself. that saying is a load......with respect.

I say nix the pooches, and the wolfs, and the boars,(in America) and the bear, and all of these preditory animals. the less of them there are the better, but we better keep a small amount around for good measure. too much deer can always be solved by fat people. to many preditors make them skinny and thier children bleed.

EDIT: I am a HUGE nature Lover and I love Dogs to death. but i Love humans more, and this notion that other animals are more inportant than us is absurd enough for me to take on a lunitics stand point just to counter the hippies.


Many fat people? I wasnt really clear. i did not want to get rid of all of the preditors. rather target them OVER the food IF the opertunity arises


?????????

HA HA HA. i am afraid that this attitude shifting might be the other way around. i was not trying to assume you were a hippy or unmindfull of the humanity of people over animals. but that sentance lends a LOT. when i hear people say crazy things like that, 99% of the time they are hippy vegetarians advotacing a decimation of the human race to save a dang mouse. usually that sentance is followed up by a suggestion to UNDO civilization in an effort to advinace natures natural course(assuming humanity is not natural.)


as to you suggestions, i dont have to do those thing because i would wet the desert and bomb the waters. thats the wonderful thing about humans, we can use the environment against itself. taking intelligence out of humanity to compare us to nature is like claiming the USA does not have a great army if we took out the technology. its just kind of.....well mute.

and though we make our own monsters, the only thing holding us back from fixing the problems is the softies with hearts a wee to big. this post is a great example. OP suggested a solution, then weenies without a pair think the solution is a bad one, and the problem becomes bigger. not fair huh?

Worst argument yet.

Taking out the predators is exactly what we are already doing. Urbanization has caused many of the top species in the food chain such as mountain lions, bears, and wolves to move out of the states because of people. Thus, deer populations are out of control. Hunting can only do so much without any natural predators. Deer cause thousands of vehicle accidents every year, destroy understory plant life and new tree seedlings, as well as our own crops. They also carry Lyme disease into populated areas as well as damage gardens and shrubbery.

I suggest you look into the word "ecology" as you might learn a lot from it...or not. Humans cannot control nature without repercussions that will come around and bite us in the butt sooner or later. The environment is limited in theory but only when used at a fixed rate, something humans have not been doing since the Industrial Revolution. Nobody said animals are any better than humans, and I think our accomplishments in such a short geological period attest to that. But to say that anyone who considers the environmental impact we are having on our world is a "wuss" or a "hippie" is downright ignorant and offensive.

[excuzzzeme]

. . . to say that anyone who considers the environmental impact we are having on our world is a "wuss" or a "hippie" is downright ignorant and offensive.

Can't agree more. Those that do not consider the fragility of our environment are indeed ignorant.

All this has nothing to do with the topic which is that many countries have a problem with coy dogs as well as feral cats on the loose. It is disturbing that as a higher intellect we do not take responsibility for those animals in our care and control. We use and abuse them and then wonder why they attack.

[McLendon]

Let's see. We keep fish in tanks by maintaining a perfect balance in their enviornment. Hummm can we learn anything from this. Nawww it's all just a Commie plot to take over the world and destroy the american way of life!!

[jpappy789]

Can't agree more. Those that do not consider the fragility of our environment are indeed ignorant.

All this has nothing to do with the topic which is that many countries have a problem with coy dogs as well as feral cats on the loose. It is disturbing that as a higher intellect we do not take responsibility for those animals in our care and control. We use and abuse them and then wonder why they attack.

Agreed on the second part there.

Sorry, ahead of time, for getting off topic mods...

[kuhliloach]

But to say that anyone who considers the environmental impact we are having on our world is a "wuss" or a "hippie" is downright ignorant and offensive.

Thank you for posting this, i couldnt agree more:). just because some one has a kind and caring heart thats concerned for the earth and its inhabitants doesnt mean they have to be lumped into a stereotype.

[Reefscape]

Lets keep to the thread OP's topic folks...


:popcorn: Just checking that the post above is not invisable ;)