View Full Version : 6th grade girl brings her father to court... and wins...
Cheech
04-14-2009, 3:25 PM
A young girl brought her father to court because he wouldn't allow her to go on a school trip. She disobeyed his orders by going on questionable websites that he told her not to go on. She apparently also posted questionable photos of herself on these websites.
In any case, he grounded her, telling her she wasn't allowed to go on her 6th grade school trip. ... She contacted the lawyer that represented her mom during their divorce, and they went to court.
THE FATHER LOST!!! She went on her trip...
he appealed to the quebec superior court, THE APPEAL WAS DENIED!!!
Full story here: (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/04/07/mtl-quebecgirl-sues-dad-0407.html#socialcomments)
Un-freaken believable ...
smokin
04-14-2009, 3:33 PM
thats great. why didnt i ever think to sue my parents.
BreezeRuehls
04-14-2009, 3:36 PM
And folks, this is another milestone for the self destruction of man kind,,,,
Sounguru
04-14-2009, 3:36 PM
Not surprised .. Saw it coming in a fuzzy feel good world where no one wants to stand up and take responsibilty for their own actions and the courts allow that practice to continue it will only get worse.
If my kid had taken me to court I would have counter sued to make her her own person, responsible for her own actions... Good luck at finding a job at 12 not to mention a place to live or food .... if she wants to do what she wants to do to heck with the consequences then let her fend for herself.
Oh I'm sorry you wanted to go to college well since you sued me I took a 3 month vacation to a 5 star island resort.... guess you are on your own by the way thanks for the vacation.
Cheech
04-14-2009, 3:43 PM
what's sad is that this little girl wanted to stay with her dad, and now that all this happened, while she may have won the lawsuit, she now lives with her mom and hardly has any contact with her dad.
All this over a school trip.
BreezeRuehls
04-14-2009, 3:46 PM
She dug her own grave, Her selfishness is her own fault. I feel no pity for her. Maybe now she will have some understanding on how her actions with bite her in the......
Deanthoreu
04-14-2009, 3:46 PM
I think the judges that make these rulings should be required to have the darling child live with them for 6 months.
Then he would understand like all parents do, why in the animal kingdom some parents eat their young!
dixienut
04-14-2009, 3:46 PM
this is why the kids today are exactly the way they are!!!!!!!!:headshake2:
they really need their you know what beat.....
my kids know,....... I'M THE ULTIMATE LAW AROUND HERE or else, and i have hardly ever had to touch them but they know, from years of me being around farm animals, that i can and will do what i say i will,.
evelyn80
04-14-2009, 3:50 PM
she obviously hasnt heard of international law...
petluvr
04-14-2009, 4:13 PM
She dug her own grave, Her selfishness is her own fault. I feel no pity for her. Maybe now she will have some understanding on how her actions with bite her in the......
The child is in the 6th grade did you when you were that age think beyond tomorrow??
Deanthoreu
04-14-2009, 4:16 PM
6th graders can not think beyond 45 minutes into the future....they are children
debaric
04-14-2009, 4:21 PM
yea sue your parents, thats brilliant. Hmm, they put food on the table and save for your college tuition. While you cant blame her due to her own immaturity at such a young age, I still feel like she should know better. How did she afford legal counsel at 12 years old? Doing chores?
Inka4040
04-14-2009, 4:36 PM
IMO, the dad caught a lucky break getting that lil punk out of his life. Your first kid sucked tremendously, think hard before making another one, in the mean time, get a dog.
LOL
As regards the story...meh...I don't comment on these things until I've read a copy of the judgment...looking around for it now...also I don't comment until somebody emptys a barrow load of money somewhere nearby...who's up...don't say Niko...he still owes me from his 'am I guilty' fiasco.
Mgamer20o0
04-14-2009, 6:35 PM
lol what kind of trip was it worth suing over?
jpappy789
04-14-2009, 6:43 PM
Wow.
tekonus
04-14-2009, 6:46 PM
Looks to me like mommy was still bitter over something after the divorce and used the opportunity for a lawsuit. What a shame the kid had to be a part of that bitterness and ruined her relationship with her father because of it.
biggdadyapisto
04-14-2009, 6:57 PM
i dont blame the kid at that age if the parents knew how to raise the kid she more than likely wouldnt have done that the blame is on both parents.
crimsonmoon
04-14-2009, 6:59 PM
How did she afford legal counsel at 12 years old? Doing chores?
i was thinking the same thing...prolly swiped dad's credit card and visited an atm..?
stephstar
04-14-2009, 6:59 PM
As regards the story...meh...I don't comment on these things until I've read a copy of the judgment..
What a good boy you are keeping your opinion hidden until you have all the facts.
But not me. I think that the legal system has gone to the birds. Why would the courts allow such a case to be heard? Shame on the lawyer too. Unless there was abuse (of any kind) in the mix, parents should have the right to discipline their children without interference from a third party.
cam191919
04-14-2009, 11:28 PM
at that age you cant blame a child for their actions. her mom sued her father, and being an impressionable 12 year old she wanted to do the same...
BreezeRuehls
04-14-2009, 11:30 PM
Yeah I did, But I also had a good mother, and my head was not jammed up my bum.
The child is in the 6th grade did you when you were that age think beyond tomorrow??
FISHSHROD
04-15-2009, 8:04 AM
:iagree:
And folks, this is another milestone for the self destruction of man kind,,,,
coach_z
04-15-2009, 9:01 AM
i would have received the beating of a lifetime if i did that....wow....
Hard to believe a daughter won over her father in court.:screwy:
Cheech
04-15-2009, 9:21 AM
Looks to me like mommy was still bitter over something after the divorce and used the opportunity for a lawsuit. What a shame the kid had to be a part of that bitterness and ruined her relationship with her father because of it.
What a good boy you are keeping your opinion hidden until you have all the facts.
But not me. I think that the legal system has gone to the birds. Why would the courts allow such a case to be heard? Shame on the lawyer too. Unless there was abuse (of any kind) in the mix, parents should have the right to discipline their children without interference from a third party.
Agree with both of you . .
What a good boy you are keeping your opinion hidden until you have all the facts.
It's a crazy plan but it might just work.
But not me. I think that the legal system has gone to the birds. Why would the courts allow such a case to be heard? Shame on the lawyer too. Unless there was abuse (of any kind) in the mix, parents should have the right to discipline their children without interference from a third party.
the courts would allow such a case to be heard because everybody, in a properly run system, has a right of access to the courts.
Shame on the lawyer ? Not at all - it was not his/her case. The parties to a case might well be open to criticism; its not a lawyers role to decide which cases should and should not be brought to court. That's for a judge.
Unless there was abuse (of any kind)...well...we'll not know that without knowing eh the full facts.
Parents do have the right to discipline their children. The right is not unlimited.
In a vacuum, should a kid successfully sue a parent for not being allowed go on a school trip ? No...of course not...that would be crazy. In a vacuum.
Still hunting around for the full facts of this one myself.
r0adk1ll88
04-15-2009, 9:41 AM
It's a crazy plan but it might just work.
the courts would allow such a case to be heard because everybody, in a properly run system, has a right of access to the courts.
So I can take the guy who cut in front of me in line to court? This case is about a spoiled rotten girl who went crying to a lawyer (assuming paid by the mother) and a judge who should have thrown out the case the second he read the thing. This is another case of the over litigation of the US and apparently Canada.
"I dumped coffee on my lap, I'm gonna sue for 13 MILLION DOLLARS!"
I can't stand the stuff that makes it into a courtroom now. As the father of a newborn, I want to know that I have the RIGHT to discipline my child as I see fit (provided there is no abuse). My child, not the court system's, not the governments, MINE. There was ABSOLUTELY NO harm by not letting her go on that trip. She didn't follow his rules so she needs to face the consequences.
:devil::::END RANT::::devil:
So I can take the guy who cut in front of me in line to court? This case is about a spoiled rotten girl who went crying to a lawyer (assuming paid by the mother) and a judge who should have thrown out the case the second he read the thing. This is another case of the over litigation of the US and apparently Canada.
Coler is a lawyer and stated facts about the right of access to courts.:)
"I dumped coffee on my lap, I'm gonna sue for 13 MILLION DOLLARS!"
Funny you'd say that..A woman in US sued a McDonalds employee over her hot coffee that burned her lips.:screwy:
r0adk1ll88
04-15-2009, 9:51 AM
I know about the McDonald's suit, it is what I was refering too. It's just crazy what makes it to the system. I don't really challenge the lawyer he was doing his job, the judge is the one I challenge. There is no basis for this case and it does set a precidence that children can take their parents to court over trivial matters. The court has stripped the father of his parental rights by overturning his punishments. I just don't believe that the authority to make such judgements when it comes to parenting. He was not chaining her to a post, he told her she couldn't go on a trip after she broke the rules of his home presumeably to protect her. "Inappropriate pictures" has some dangerous implications.
:devil:Devils advocate If a predator saw the 'innapropriate pics" on the website and tracked her down. We would all be talking about a parent who didn't monitor his daughter's internet usage.
I know about the McDonald's suit, it is what I was refering too. It's just crazy what makes it to the system. I don't really challenge the lawyer he was doing his job, the judge is the one I challenge. There is no basis for this case and it does set a precidence that children can take their parents to court over trivial matters. The court has stripped the father of his parental rights by overturning his punishments. I just don't believe that the authority to make such judgements when it comes to parenting. He was not chaining her to a post, he told her she couldn't go on a trip after she broke the rules of his home presumeably to protect her. "Inappropriate pictures" has some dangerous implications.
:devil:Devils advocate If a predator saw the 'innapropriate pics" on the website and tracked her down. We would all be talking about a parent who didn't monitor his daughter's internet usage.
I see great minds think alike.:D
r0adk1ll88
04-15-2009, 9:57 AM
:) Sorry about the rant. I feel pretty strong on some of the frivelous lawsuits that I hear about. Kinda dilutes the courts and spends resources that could be used to go after the "real" criminals.
Cheech
04-15-2009, 10:00 AM
What would REALLY be funny is if (just to teach them a lesson) the dad brings it up to the Canadian supreme court, a judge decides to listen to the case, and he wins!
Lupin
04-15-2009, 10:03 AM
:) Sorry about the rant. I feel pretty strong on some of the frivelous lawsuits that I hear about. Kinda dilutes the courts and spends resources that could be used to go after the "real" criminals.
No need to apologize for stating your opinions. I do agree with your strong and valid points. The courts are meant for real criminals with serious criminal cases, not the silly spats or minor incidents which shouldn't take beyond reconciliation.:rolleyes:
caitylee
04-15-2009, 10:35 AM
Maybe this should have been aired on Judge Judy :)
That show drives me nuts haha
Cheech
04-15-2009, 11:09 AM
Maybe this should have been aired on Judge Judy :)
That show drives me nuts haha
for some reason I love watching judge shows on my rare days off during the week. I'm almost embarrassed to admit it, but I can watch'em all day... Some of the judges, not all. My favorites are:
Judge Judy,
Judge Milian,
Joe Brown...
I don't like Judge Alex, Judge Karen's alright.
how sad is this. lol
Dopehand
04-15-2009, 11:18 AM
The United States and Canada could both use an overhaul for their justice systems.
caitylee
04-15-2009, 12:06 PM
for some reason I love watching judge shows on my rare days off during the week. I'm almost embarrassed to admit it, but I can watch'em all day... Some of the judges, not all. My favorites are:
Judge Judy,
Judge Milian,
Joe Brown...
I don't like Judge Alex, Judge Karen's alright.
how sad is this. lol
Haha its not that sad :)
I know a few people who like them
The real problem is there's just not enough lawyers in today's world.
*smothersgiggle*
r0adk1ll88
04-15-2009, 1:53 PM
for some reason I love watching judge shows on my rare days off during the week. I'm almost embarrassed to admit it, but I can watch'em all day... Some of the judges, not all. My favorites are:
Judge Judy, Good
Judge Milian, Better
Joe Brown... BEST!!! (I watch when I'm off)
I don't like Judge Alex, Judge Karen's alright.
how sad is this. lol
What would REALLY be funny is if (just to teach them a lesson) the dad brings it up to the Canadian supreme court, a judge decides to listen to the case, and he wins!
:iagree:
jpappy789
04-15-2009, 4:19 PM
So I can take the guy who cut in front of me in line to court? This case is about a spoiled rotten girl who went crying to a lawyer (assuming paid by the mother) and a judge who should have thrown out the case the second he read the thing. This is another case of the over litigation of the US and apparently Canada.
"I dumped coffee on my lap, I'm gonna sue for 13 MILLION DOLLARS!"
I can't stand the stuff that makes it into a courtroom now. As the father of a newborn, I want to know that I have the RIGHT to discipline my child as I see fit (provided there is no abuse). My child, not the court system's, not the governments, MINE. There was ABSOLUTELY NO harm by not letting her go on that trip. She didn't follow his rules so she needs to face the consequences.
:devil::::END RANT::::devil:
The poem "On Children" by Kahlil Gibran comes to mind...
stephstar
04-15-2009, 6:15 PM
The real problem is there's just not enough lawyers in today's world.
*smothersgiggle*
Oh I was just about to give it to you until I read your giggle :). Do not get me wrong, one of my closest friend is a lawyer and her and I sometimes go head to head in these discussions (this goes well with a good red wine).
You are right, having all the facts would be to our benefit, but we do not (unless there is some data base that you can access to get this information, but are you not in the UK?). And because we do not have all the facts, we have to go off of the reporting of the newspapers, which are bias in their own way.
As a lawyer, are you not not appalled at these trivial law suites, where people are not taking responsibility for their own actions, where honesty and humility are put first?
I am saddened by this law suite, with the limited facts that I have; I might have a change in tune if there is something that is missing in the information that was presented, but in the mean time......:headshake2:
Kashta
04-15-2009, 6:24 PM
On the surface, this case sounds even more ridiculous than most frivolous lawsuits we hear about. And we can't tell anything objective from media reports... they love stirring up stuff like this. What I wonder about is the basis used to allow this to go to trial and what the judge gave as his (her) reason for the decision.
jpappy789
04-15-2009, 6:37 PM
Oh I was just about to give it to you until I read your giggle :). Do not get me wrong, one of my closest friend is a lawyer and her and I sometimes go head to head in these discussions (this goes well with a good red wine).
You are right, having all the facts would be to our benefit, but we do not (unless there is some data base that you can access to get this information, but are you not in the UK?). And because we do not have all the facts, we have to go off of the reporting of the newspapers, which are bias in their own way.
As a lawyer, are you not not appalled at these trivial law suites, where people are not taking responsibility for their own actions, where honesty and humility are put first?
I am saddened by this law suite, with the limited facts that I have; I might have a change in tune if there is something that is missing in the information that was presented, but in the mean time......:headshake2:
*gasp*
Slappy*McFish
04-15-2009, 8:47 PM
I'm sure the kid's mother put her up to it.
r0adk1ll88
04-16-2009, 8:25 AM
The poem "On Children" by Kahlil Gibran comes to mind...
Gibran's Poem:
http://www.katsandogz.com/onchildren.html
:mad2:
I think you misunderstood my point. I don't OWN my daughter but it is my responsibilty to raise her properly and not the governements. The goverment is essentially "taking the bow away from the parents" to use the analogy from your poem. I am under no impression that I can control every movement of my child nor would I want too. Children need to learn that there are limits in place to protect them and when the pass those limits there needs are consequences!
If your child starts to hang over a balcony would you let them keep doing it because "they are with you yet they belong not to you." Your response twists my argument. I am not as possesive as you probably think (far from it) but I do believe that boundries are made for a reason.
excuzzzeme
04-16-2009, 11:19 AM
That is beyond being absurd! If a court wished to tell me how to raise my child, they can then provide monetary support as well. You don't want to live by the house rules - GET OUT while you still know everything.
All this does is reaffirm selfishness, self-gratification, me-first mentality. The court over-stepped it's authority.
I do not own my children either, but they need to learn boundaries and respect of authority. Ownership is of material things - not children, wives, or any living thing. We are their caretakers not their owners.
yhbae
04-16-2009, 12:31 PM
Sigh... This is pretty sad... 6th grader is still a child, still requiring parents' care and love.
As a parent, it is very sad to hear stories like this. I hope mine doesn't end up doing this when she hits grade 6!