A bit of a mess up - 1st week with fish

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Okay, I think I have made a chain of mistakes:

1. I used Ammo Lock as my conditioner since using fish
2. I may have overfed a bit (2 thumb nails worth a day for 3 non-adult platies)
3. I performed a bunch of water changes

Okay the details:

I have completed fishless cycling of my 20 gallon tank and after my final water change I started using Ammo Lock as a conditioner, only because I thought it would work similar to Prime (Actually, have a bottle of Prime now). The ammonia test high at 1.0 ppm before the end of my 1st weekly water change. So, it appears the Ammo Lock is not allowing the bacteria to get the locked ammonia. Go figure, duh on my part.

I didn't really realize that the ammonia was locked for good and the ammonia started to spike after the water change and the water clouded up 24 hours after the change. So, I panic and start doing 25% water changes over the next day and today (about 10, but my ammonia reading was a scary 6 ppm - probably all locked with the water changes, which also had Ammo-Lock). So, I probably have pulled a bunch of floating bacteria out of the tank even if the established media is in tacked.

I have stopped using Ammo Lock. I have stopped any water changes by recommendation of a Petsmart employee/friend. I added 1 dose of prime to the existing water as a precaution due to possible lack of bacteria in the water. My fish had less than a thumb nails worth of food today and none yesterday. I am planning on not feeding tomorrow due to the cloudiness.

The fish look fine. They have been hanging out towards the surface a little more, but all the water changes was stressing them some, but they seem to be use to it now. Even though it probably was excessive and bad for the bacteria.

The road forward:

Do I just wait and see and let the locked ammonia work itself out in time with water changes? Though, I will be clueless into how good or bad my ammonia reading is, since the trapped ammonia shows on the reading. Foodwise, I plan to feed much less and watch more closely - I think I can figure it out.

Appreciate any suggestions.

 
What are your parameters now? Doing water changes will help bring the ammonia level down so the fish are not harmed. Just be sure to use Prime to detoxify the new water. Prime does not add bacteria, it neutralizes the chlorine and chloramine in your tap water. The fish at the surface could be a sign that the ammonia levels are high and it's depleting the oxygen in the water column. Your parameters (ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels) would be very helpful in any attemps to assist you....

*edit* doing water changes will not prohibit your "cycle", it will help keep the toxin levels down for your fish's health...
 
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Also, Bacteria is not "floating" in your water column; it will establish itself in/on the substrate, decor and your filter/filter media....hence, water changes do not diminish your bacteria colony.
 
Thanks Noodles.

I have been using a water conditioner every time, Ammo Lock is a conditioner to, but Jeez, not very practical for water conditioning if the bacteria can't do the job.

I am testing at 4.0+ ppm ammonia (no idea how much is locked, so don't really know how dangerous the water is. But the fish are more at the top at the moment. I will take that as an indication that I need a water change.

I will do a 25% change and test everything else before hand. Back in about 15 min.
 
A water change sounds like a very good idea! I am no expert but with my first tank, I also had a fish store employee tell me that water changes would stop my bacteria from growing; then I came here and "saw the light" LOL Water changes are your best friend (your fish's too!) until you get the ammonia and then the nitrite levels down and then start seeing nitrates....
 
pH: 7.8 down from 8.0 when I first started with fish, probably no issue unless I crash below 7.0, ehh?

Nitrites: closest to 0 ppm
Nitrates: not tested, but they were real low last I seen from all the water changes.

Changing water now.

I have to be gone for 12 hours tomorrow for work. Poor fish. =(
 
after the water change, test your ammonia levels. also check it when you return tomorrow....
 
pH: 7.8 down from 8.0 when I first started with fish, probably no issue unless I crash below 7.0, ehh?

Nitrites: closest to 0 ppm
Nitrates: not tested, but they were real low last I seen from all the water changes.

Changing water now.

I have to be gone for 12 hours tomorrow for work. Poor fish. =(

PH of 8.0 is pretty high in my opinion. What kind of substrate are you using? My PH typically sits around 6.2 and my fish are fine. PH below 7.0 is not a bad thing unless it is a rapid change.....
anybody else care to chime in and offer advice? I still consider myself a bit of a noob and do not wish to give anyone bad advice...:help:
 
My source is 8.0, so not much I can do there. I have bog wood but I boiled the hell out of it, so I doubt it does much, lol. I was assured the fish would adapt introduced properly - and, they were. Though Platies actually like slightly higher pH. I think you can find the thread I started about pH. I have had many questions.

Okay did a 25% water change with Prime. Is there any guidline on how much is too much for water changes in an emergency situation such as this? Should I wait x minutes, hours or just do a bunch of 25% changes over till I remove the ammonia (even if locked)?

At least can feel the right temperature now, been less than degree difference almost every time now.
 
how do you do your water changes? with a syphon/python or a bucket? How much Prime do you add each time?

That's good on the temp issue as a drastic change can be bad as well....

What is your ammonia reading now? From what I have read/heard you can not do too many water changes. If you need to do more to bring the ammonia down, then so be it. Someone else, please chime in if I am wrong!
 
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