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Lupin
05-12-2009, 4:08 AM
Excuzzzeme, while in the chatroom, asked me if eggshells can be pound as fine as powder. My reply is yes as it is indeed possible thus allowing the eggshells to dissolve quickly assuming the water is quite soft and acidic. He asked an interesting question about the calcium carbonate mass between white eggs and brown eggs which really intrigued me so I made a research and came up with these excerpts. You learn something new everyday.:)

Calcium carbonate, CaCO3, is found in nature giving hardness and strength to things such as seashells, rocks, and eggshells.

A good quality eggshell will contain, on average, 2.2 grams of calcium in the form of calcium carbonate. Approximately 94% of a dry eggshell is calcium carbonate and has a typical mass of 5.5 grams, although these values can differ depending on sources. Amounts as low as 78% have been published. The remaining mass is composed largely of phosphorus and magnesium, and trace amounts of sodium, potassium, zinc, manganese, iron, and copper.

In the case of brown versus white eggs, a definitive difference in calcium carbonate amounts may be hard to uncover. However, consider this. The color of the eggs is nothing more than a result of a different breed. The quality, nutritional value, and taste are identical between white and brown eggs, though two notable differences are size and price. Brown eggs are usually larger and slightly more expensive. The reason for the price increase is because brown eggs come from larger hens, which need to be fed more food daily. With a larger intake of calcium each day, one might expect the produced egg to have a higher calcium carbonate content. However, since the eggs are larger, it must be kept in mind that the calcium is spread over a larger surface area during egg formation. A brown eggshell’s increased tendency to break, when compared to white, is often attributed to this “thinning out” of calcium during deposition.

Reference:
http://74.6.146.127/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=brown+egg-calcium+content&fr=yfp-t-501&fp_ip=PH&u=www.sas.upenn.edu/%7Ekushnert/webport/teacheregginquiry.pdf&w=brown+egg+calcium+content&d=QGldTExISn00&icp=1&.intl=us

Conclusion:
Both eggs despite the color difference, still have the same calcium carbonate mass.

My Thoughts:
Having raised and bred chickens before, it occured to me the last statement is very true. I raised broiler chickens and native chickens wherein they lay white and brown eggs respectively. The brown eggs seem to break at the slightest squeeze of the egg whereas white ones need your pressure exerted.

excuzzzeme
05-12-2009, 4:11 AM
Nice answer! Thanks alot!

bettabrat
05-12-2009, 5:57 AM
Awesome info Lupin! :clap:

fishorama
05-12-2009, 6:04 PM
Neat. I had a friend who's chickens laid little pastel colored eggs, natural Easter eggs.

kyryah
05-12-2009, 6:21 PM
Very nice research. I would like to add that when using egg shells as a calcium source, you should remove the inner lining of the shell. It will rot and foul the water quite quickly, and serves no purpose.

I prefer to use either pure calcium carbonate (usually derived from powdered coral) purchased at a Natural Food store, or cuttlebone. Cuttlebone is easier to powder, it can be done by simply scraping it with a serrated knife, and pieces can be added to the tank for free choice calcium supplementation. My snails and rcs graze the cuttlebone all the time, and they also recieve powdered calcium carbonate mixed into their snello. The calcium carbonate content of cuttlebone is approximately 85%.

I shy away from using commercial products for herptiles such as RepCal and Reptocal, because of the added Vitamin D3 and the phosphorus content. Phosphorus blocks the absorption of calcium. You must have a Ca: P ratio of 2:1 or more for calcium to be properly assimilated by the body.

Kristina

kyryah
05-12-2009, 6:23 PM
Neat. I had a friend who's chickens laid little pastel colored eggs, natural Easter eggs.

Those would be either Americaunas or Auracanas, which come in both standard and bantam varieties. The Americauna is derived from the Auracana, the difference being that while Americaunas have tails, Auracanas are rumpless.

I have Americaunas :D

Kristina

Bubbles2112
05-12-2009, 6:34 PM
Awesome info for the calcium challenged aquarists among us ****face turns red**** like me!!! I am learning sooooo much about KH and Gh and pH and .....well you get the picture. I (and keep this a secret...shhhh!) may do a write up about what I have learned and what I am still learning and how some of us (like me) go terribly wrong with respect to this subject.

excuzzzeme
05-12-2009, 7:31 PM
My interest about using chicken eggs for a source of calcium carbonate has nothing to do with cost nor does it have anything to do with mistrust of manufactured products. I am simply pursuing further information about it.

I feed wild birds and have been feeding them crushed egg shells at times and became curious about their viability as a source of calcium and other uses. Along with what Lupin gave us, further information indicates that any bird egg can be used and that the chemical make-up among bird eggs is fairly consistent.

Birds not only glean some calcium from them but also use pieces in their gizzard just like small gravel for grinding foods.