Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

[johnlarson66]

I never liked day one anyway!

All in all, from my skimming, it looked like MC put themselves into a three way tie and died from it. I need to soak that in.

From what I have seen, it looks like there are lots of posts, but I am catching up.

Does anyone want to hear my reasons for not posting?

[rich311k]

DD and Rich are high on my list of suspects from their last posts.

Not voting because you didn't need to is a weak reason. It doesn't help the town track scum. The only reason to not vote is to not have a trail.

Rich protecting her reason as a good one also makes no sense at all.

So from what DD is saying is that if we aren't sure we shouldn't vote. So since know one is ever sure we should never vote. No lynching. Lets just let the mafia pick us off nightly.

So what about that is a good reason Rich?

I actually did not think of it that way and I do believe I said it was scummy. She said it would not matter not that she did not know, though in retrospect it did keep her from d4eciding a tied up vote.

[rich311k]

Keep any suspicions or resentments off of her.

[johnlarson66]

Here is DD's first post, the fourth post of the game!


alrighty, let's get rolling!

Then some pertty good input, even for day one.


yeah, that is a bit interesting.... I can understand you saying I got it, Bugz because I was posting around the same time you were and figured you were just picking on Kash and then everyone got involved........ but Ice.... what gives on saying he got it?


god points all around.... however, I will say that although Bugz has answered a couple things... or rather, has posted a couple things, not answered..... she has yet to answer the single one thing Ice has asked... and that peaks my interest considerably. Bugz... how about it? Are you gonna ansswer it or hope that it just goes away?


eh, I still have a problem with this explanation (I am trying to guess that that's what this is....) The issue I have with it is not so much as you have said I got the joke but there was a lot of posting in between my post and Ice's post... where all involved seemed to carry in the joke... yet you still single us two out.

So then I read today that MC also has a problem with my posting level. Ok, I can see if we were talking days into the game, MC but come on, there is not much going on. So, actually, looking at the numbers, when you made this post, you only had 1 or 2 posts more than I did.... so what gives? would that be an error in judgement? If you are merely a townie trying to look for early clues.... I think you should look a little further than post count at this point....

I looked these up, because it was stated that DD didn't vote. I have not seen where she stated she would not be voting. Maybe she did, I am still reading. I read (skimmed) from start to finish and now I am kinda going backwards.

I think DD was plenty active. Her no-vote is strange.

I vote to lynch DangerDoll

[johnlarson66]

Looking through D1 posts again still doesn't help me very much even with the knowledge that Jpappy was mafia. I'll have to go through it all again, I suppose, at some point today to see if there's something I'm missing. So far in this game, the main thing that stands out for me is how little really stands out at all. The thoughts I have still seem thin and I'm not sure they're even worth pursuing, but I'll share what I can just in case it helps get some ideas out here.

First, it was my expectation that the mafia would hit either Ice or Coler the first 2 nightfalls because of their experience/game style. So that presumption lead me to think whichever of the two avoids mafia hits on N1 and N2 would more likely be on the mafia team himself. The mafia isn't going to hit one of their own. Since Coler was hit and revealed as a citizen, it's seems more likely that Ice is mafia. Going back through the posts last night looking for clues along this line, however, I don't actually see anything from his posting that backs up a mafia suspicion.

The other supposition I have is generally anyone who doesn't vote is acting more out of self-preservation than in the best interests of the town. But the same is true for those who don't post (who are actually here) and those who post now and then but who don't actually say anything. As DD didn't vote, I'll watch her more closely now.

Hope I can find more to go on than this fairly soon. This is a real slow thing with so many people either not playing or holding back because they can.

Kash, so if Ice lives, he is mafia and the town should lynch him? Is this the seed you wish to plant?

Did you post before nightfall that if you were mafia you would hit Coler or Ice? Looks to me you waited until after nightfall with this great insight.

Looks to me like you are setting Ice up. There are some good players this round and there are lots of good choices for the mafia to hit. The mafia will want to take out a power role and they will want to keep possible mafia suspects (that aren't mafia) in the game.

I am looking into jpaps posts, but nothing really jumped out as mafia. I wonder is the SK was thinking. Was the SK trying to hit an innocent or a mafia? What side were they on? MC' vote on themselves was odd.

Also, if DD comes up as mafia, I think that would clear noodles and luvbugs. Really, I have them leaning innocent as I would think that the mafia would not let one of their own go into a three way tie on day one.

Man, I have lots of catching up to do!

[Dangerdoll]

DD and Rich are high on my list of suspects from their last posts.

Not voting because you didn't need to is a weak reason. It doesn't help the town track scum. The only reason to not vote is to not have a trail.

Rich protecting her reason as a good one also makes no sense at all.

So from what DD is saying is that if we aren't sure we shouldn't vote. So since know one is ever sure we should never vote. No lynching. Lets just let the mafia pick us off nightly.

So what about that is a good reason Rich?
not what I am saying at all Ice, I wasn't suggesting that everyone follow my reasoning, I was giving my own reasoning for not voting. I never said everyone should do it this way.... because it's the right way, I chose to this way because it's how I thought best to do it, so be it.... but I will tell you this, I didn't "not vote" simply to "hide a trail" or whatever odd "logic" you might think I used. Just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean there were underlying reasons. I gave my reasons for it and that's all there is.

and so where was Rich "protecting" me??


Here is DD's first post, the fourth post of the game!

Then some pertty good input, even for day one.

I looked these up, because it was stated that DD didn't vote. I have not seen where she stated she would not be voting. Maybe she did, I am still reading. I read (skimmed) from start to finish and now I am kinda going backwards.

I think DD was plenty active. Her no-vote is strange.

I vote to lynch DangerDoll

you mean to tell me there is nothing more interesting for your attention to be focused? I never said before night call that I would not be voting... I explained afterwards after being questioned about it.... if I do recall, you also didn't vote... but neither here nor there... I'm flattered by the attention John but concerned as well...

and so if I go tonight, my thoughts are that Noods and Bugz should be a focus as well as Ice and JL.

[johnlarson66]

not what I am saying at all Ice, I wasn't suggesting that everyone follow my reasoning, I was giving my own reasoning for not voting. I never said everyone should do it this way.... because it's the right way, I chose to this way because it's how I thought best to do it, so be it.... but I will tell you this, I didn't "not vote" simply to "hide a trail" or whatever odd "logic" you might think I used. Just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean there were underlying reasons. I gave my reasons for it and that's all there is.

and so where was Rich "protecting" me??



you mean to tell me there is nothing more interesting for your attention to be focused? I never said before night call that I would not be voting... I explained afterwards after being questioned about it.... if I do recall, you also didn't vote... but neither here nor there... I'm flattered by the attention John but concerned as well...

and so if I go tonight, my thoughts are that Noods and Bugz should be a focus as well as Ice and JL.

There are lots of things that have my attention. You and Kash seem to have gotten it. I am glad you are flattered. You lumping me with Ice, well that just hurts.

So if you go, why should Noods and Bugz be a focus? I have them cleared because there was no attempt to save them. If anything MC, saved them and he was the SK. Which still baffles me.

So of your 4 suspects (me, Ice, Noods and Bugz) which one are you going to vote for or are you just going to not vote again?

[johnlarson66]

I am still reading, but so far my top two are DD and Kash. My bottom two are noods and Luvbugz.

Also MC not only only voted to kill themselves, but saved Luvbugz from being in the lead.

The more I think about the more baffled I am.

[noodles62]

Hey John! Glad you could join us. We need more bush neaters around here! I am sure you are dying for someone to ask, so I will, far be it for me to keep my mouth shut! LOL Where the heck were you?
I only have a few minutes (well about 15) before I have a meeting with my unruly staff, whom have succeded in putting me in a really pissy mood :angryfire: .....but here are my thoughts, what few I have in the short time I have been able to review today;late yesterday I was concerned at what I belived to be Coler and Ice aligned themselves after what I thought as a little bit of distancing; but with Coler turning up innocent Ice is no is no longer a concern in that respect. (altho I would be stupid to just assume Ice's innocence)

I am gonna do this in bits so I can post my thoughts and read more, post, read, blah, blah, blah.....

[noodles62]

not what I am saying at all Ice, I wasn't suggesting that everyone follow my reasoning, I was giving my own reasoning for not voting. I never said everyone should do it this way.... because it's the right way, I chose to this way because it's how I thought best to do it, so be it.... but I will tell you this, I didn't "not vote" simply to "hide a trail" or whatever odd "logic" you might think I used. Just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean there were underlying reasons. I gave my reasons for it and that's all there is.

and so where was Rich "protecting" me??

you mean to tell me there is nothing more interesting for your attention to be focused? I never said before night call that I would not be voting... I explained afterwards after being questioned about it.... if I do recall, you also didn't vote... but neither here nor there... I'm flattered by the attention John but concerned as well...

and so if I go tonight, my thoughts are that Noods and Bugz should be a focus as well as Ice and JL.

This just kinda jumps out at me. Why me, why Ice and why JL? So far Ice is looking pretty pro town. JL has not been here long enough to do anything suspicious in my mind. If his absence is suspicious than so is your lack of vote. Me? Well, ok, I am always on somebody's list - whatever....Bugz, I get - she was on your radar yesterday as well as mine; altho I am not so sure she is still on mine. Need time to process more before I make that decision....

[Kashta]

Kash, so if Ice lives, he is mafia and the town should lynch him? Is this the seed you wish to plant?

Did you post before nightfall that if you were mafia you would hit Coler or Ice? Looks to me you waited until after nightfall with this great insight.

Looks to me like you are setting Ice up. There are some good players this round and there are lots of good choices for the mafia to hit. The mafia will want to take out a power role and they will want to keep possible mafia suspects (that aren't mafia) in the game.

No John, which is why I also made it clear I was falling back on general/default strategy ideas given a lack of anything more specific to go on in such a low-participation game. I've also pointed out already that I don't have any suspects yet. Ice would have made an obvious suspect (for me) had I found something re-reading his posts last night that sounded scummy.

I'm glad to see that you're in the game now because you do participate and you're good at stirring things up. Now kindly let us know which side you're on... :)

....so we can decide what you're up to jumping in so hard and fast with definitive accusations and a vote already.


Does anyone want to hear my reasons for not posting?

Going back to your previous post... Yes, you might as well give your reasons for missing the first day and the first vote. That's something we would ask of anyone else so you should answer that.

[noodles62]

I guess without knowing when the hit was sent in on Jpap its possible the vote was for distancing and when the vote got tight Jpap couldn't pull off. But I wouldn't bet the barn on it.

The fact that DD didn't vote at all surprises me and is of great interest. I'd like to hear here reasoning for not voting.

Its to late to read and I'm pissed that the Mets lost so I'll be back tomorrow.


Jpap stopped posting in this thread around 3:30 yesterday, but was still posting all over the forum.....not sure that helps any, but there you have it.

[Dangerdoll]

There are lots of things that have my attention. You and Kash seem to have gotten it. I am glad you are flattered. You lumping me with Ice, well that just hurts.

So if you go, why should Noods and Bugz be a focus? I have them cleared because there was no attempt to save them. If anything MC, saved them and he was the SK. Which still baffles me.

So of your 4 suspects (me, Ice, Noods and Bugz) which one are you going to vote for or are you just going to not vote again?
ok, I might have missed why Kash has your attention.... why is it?
I have been suspecting of Bugz from day 1 where she implicated Ice and me in understanding her joke but no one else.... yet everyone else was in on it... Noods, well, she's always on my list and since you have said she is pretty cleared for you if I come back as Mafia, well, that tells me you are trying to clear a path for them both. In addition, she is also on my list because you have implicated her as townie... you and Ice, please JL... I am not lumping you together with Ice (no offense Ice), only suspecting you both because you both have come out with some heavy gloves since the day started and for what I would guess Ice would call "a weak reason".


I am still reading, but so far my top two are DD and Kash. My bottom two are noods and Luvbugz.

Also MC not only only voted to kill themselves, but saved Luvbugz from being in the lead.

The more I think about the more baffled I am.
why would you think the SK would save Bugz from being in the lead?

[noodles62]

It would be great if Dawg and Firedancer picked up their pace and participated a little more. Maverick too......

[maverickbr77]

I am still reading, but so far my top two are DD and Kash. My bottom two are noods and Luvbugz.

Also MC not only only voted to kill themselves, but saved Luvbugz from being in the lead.

The more I think about the more baffled I am.


Not true mostly was in the lead with 5 and Luvbugz and noodles were tied at 4 before MC switched votes
There were 6 miniutes between Firedancers vote and MCs vote so mc probaly knew they were going before swithing votes

final was

Mostly: Dawg(93) Luv(127) Kashta(156) Agass(161) firedancer(217) Mostly(219)
Red: Noodles(100)
Coler: Ice(106)
Noodles: Jpappy(108) Ice(173) Coler(195) Jm(203)
Dopehand: Mostly(118)
Luv: Mostly(136) Noodles(154) Rich(191) Mav(202)

(not actually sure MCs swithe counted because the retraction wasn't in bold but doesn't realy matter that much)

[Dangerdoll]

nice fine, Mav

[Dangerdoll]

I mean, nice "find" mav!

[maverickbr77]

i saw that earlier and didn't think it could be right i just got the time to go look into it

[johnlarson66]

ACville buzzes with activity as Night falls over the Town. SOme come to Bala dragging todays chosen lynch while others only peak from their windows.

Noodles, Luvbugz, and MostlyCichlids are lined up blind folded in firing squad fashion.

The Citizens raise their weapons and fire, but Noodles and Luvbugz quickly jump aside as the lead flies. Mostly is a bit slow on their feet, seems they were rather busy today and were too tired to react.

I thought this meant that there was a 3 way tie.

[jm1212]

Here is DD's first post, the fourth post of the game!



Then some pertty good input, even for day one.







I looked these up, because it was stated that DD didn't vote. I have not seen where she stated she would not be voting. Maybe she did, I am still reading. I read (skimmed) from start to finish and now I am kinda going backwards.

I think DD was plenty active. Her no-vote is strange.

I vote to lynch DangerDoll
after only actually being involved for a few hours, you'll commit so quickly after only "skimming" over all 20-some pages of this thread? that seems odd to me, especially after you really have not been interacting with anyone else. DD has done some suspicious things in my eyes, but so has LuvBugz and Noodles, who you say are on the bottom of your list.

I would also like to hear your explanation for not posting.

[johnlarson66]

Where was John?

Some of you know that I left my job and opened up my own business.

My old job required lots of travel and even though I was part owner and "President" I had little real control over anything - including where I was at. I moved back to NC.

I took the money I have saved during that time and found a friend with some money saved up and we opened an Internet Gaming Lounge. ELITE ZONE.

Our website is just a banner picture (www.elitezonenc.com (http://www.elitezonenc.com))

We are on myspace (myspace.com/elite_zone (http://www.myspace.com/elite_zone))

Sunday night we had our second tournament (COD4) and all of my attention has been on getting this going.

I didn't visit this forum or really know for sure if the game was going to start. I also did not do my normal Saturday WC.

If you are a gamer on xbox live, add L33T Z0N3 1 (thru 22) to your friends list.

So I was totally consumed with my new business and choose not to visit this forum.

[johnlarson66]

after only actually being involved for a few hours, you'll commit so quickly after only "skimming" over all 20-some pages of this thread? that seems odd to me, especially after you really have not been interacting with anyone else. DD has done some suspicious things in my eyes, but so has LuvBugz and Noodles, who you say are on the bottom of your list.

I would also like to hear your explanation for not posting.

In my skimming, I didn't notice jm1212 playing. Welcome.

I was under the impression (wrong that is) that there was a 3 way tie of MC, noods and LuvBugz and that MC had created the tie by switching their vote from Luvbugz to themselves. That was wrong, I have stated how I came to that conclusion.

I also am looking at the thread from the back. There are two things that caught my attention right off the bat. One DD (who I did notice posting while I was skimming) did not vote and Kash planting the seeds of Ice being mafia if he is not hit by the mafia.

I do have lots of catching up to do. I also have some work to do today, the end of the month is near and I have plenty work to do.

I also think voting early is good for the town.

[Dangerdoll]

In my skimming, I didn't notice jm1212 playing. Welcome.

I was under the impression (wrong that is) that there was a 3 way tie of MC, noods and LuvBugz and that MC had created the tie by switching their vote from Luvbugz to themselves. That was wrong, I have stated how I came to that conclusion.

I also am looking at the thread from the back. There are two things that caught my attention right off the bat. One DD (who I did notice posting while I was skimming) did not vote and Kash planting the seeds of Ice being mafia if he is not hit by the mafia.

I do have lots of catching up to do. I also have some work to do today, the end of the month is near and I have plenty work to do.

I also think voting early is good for the town.

what??

[johnlarson66]

ok, I might have missed why Kash has your attention.... why is it?
I have been suspecting of Bugz from day 1 where she implicated Ice and me in understanding her joke but no one else.... yet everyone else was in on it... Noods, well, she's always on my list and since you have said she is pretty cleared for you if I come back as Mafia, well, that tells me you are trying to clear a path for them both. In addition, she is also on my list because you have implicated her as townie... you and Ice, please JL... I am not lumping you together with Ice (no offense Ice), only suspecting you both because you both have come out with some heavy gloves since the day started and for what I would guess Ice would call "a weak reason".


why would you think the SK would save Bugz from being in the lead?

DD, I hope I have cleared this up. I find this part of your post, well strange - "Noods, well, she's always on my list and since you have said she is pretty cleared for you if I come back as Mafia, well, that tells me you are trying to clear a path for them both." Your post makes no sense to me. I think if you are mafia, you would have attempted to save one of them with your vote. I am guessing you held back on your vote and if one of your teamates got into trouble you could cast a vote to save them.

You had suspects, stirred up all sorts of stuff, but let others do the dirty work.

I think you should vote this time and vote soon.

[johnlarson66]

what??

I meant that I saw lots of your posts while I was skimming the thread and I didn't really see many of jm1212's.

Maybe your bright red mod name caught my attention more than his fish avatar.

[Dangerdoll]

DD, I hope I have cleared this up. I find this part of your post, well strange - "Noods, well, she's always on my list and since you have said she is pretty cleared for you if I come back as Mafia, well, that tells me you are trying to clear a path for them both."

Your post makes no sense to me. I think if you are mafia, you would have attempted to save one of them with your vote. I am guessing you held back on your vote and if one of your teamates got into trouble you could cast a vote to save them.

You had suspects, stirred up all sorts of stuff, but let others do the dirty work.

I think you should vote this time and vote soon.

I will try to clear this up for you. My first and foremost reason to have noods on my list is because I always find her suspicious, she plays a good game. Then, you have come out today with your guns so obviously blaring for me, and for what I consider weak reasoning.... this being the case, you have already claimed that you believe Noods to be more innocent. You said this:
"Also, if DD comes up as mafia, I think that would clear noodles and luvbugs. I have them cleared because there was no attempt to save them." So, if I am out tonight, I just want to be sure that the townies all see this... thank you for having me bring it up again...

you want a vote, here you are... I vote to lynch johnLarson66.... and of course this is subject to change to either of the other 3 I have mentioned.

[IceH2O]

not what I am saying at all Ice, I wasn't suggesting that everyone follow my reasoning, I was giving my own reasoning for not voting. I never said everyone should do it this way.... because it's the right way, I chose to this way because it's how I thought best to do it, so be it.... but I will tell you this, I didn't "not vote" simply to "hide a trail" or whatever odd "logic" you might think I used. Just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean there were underlying reasons. I gave my reasons for it and that's all there is.

and so where was Rich "protecting" me??





I'm not saying you said we should all act that way. I'm saying using your logic we shouldn't vote for anyone if we aren't sure and without trails no one can be sure of anything

Rich protected your reason for the no vote, not you directly. Then he says he claimed it was scummy but his exact words were a crummy thing to do,implying he didn't like it but he didn't call you out on it either.


I am still reading, but so far my top two are DD and Kash. My bottom two are noods and Luvbugz.

Also MC not only only voted to kill themselves, but saved Luvbugz from being in the lead.

The more I think about the more baffled I am.

FDs vote was the kill vote but in this game of no voting that means either nothing at all or Luv is also mafia and Noodles at a lesser extent a possible mafia and she saved them. I'm just not sure that Jpap would park on Noodles and move at a later time. So Noodles is pretty cleared to me. So its possible that Luv is mafia. If Luv is mafia it doesn't clear DD thou. DD might be pointing fingers in that direction but not voting her when they were tied is scummy imo.

13 players voted out of 17

No votes from

JL
Dopey
TRS
DD, the only 1 that was active at the time.

[IceH2O]

I don't agree with JL that DD being mafia clears Luv as stated above by me.

I still don't like the way Luv came out and put my name in with DD as getting the joke. Its almost like if DD and Luv were lynched and mafia that by tracking posts you'd see she also named me and I'd be the other mafia of the group.

I'm willing to vote Luv DD or Rich though I think we learn more from Luv and DD. Kash I might could be talked into I did see her plant that seed as you put it but I wanted to see what came of it before I pulled out anything on it.

[johnlarson66]

Is that a OMGUS from DD???

I am hurt.

[rich311k]

Now we are slinging. Something to read. I think all logic at this point must be based on thin arguments right now, of course that is the point of the game too.

DD you did not think your vote would matter? as of course it surely would have or just did not want get in the middle of it all?

[Luvbugz]

FDs vote was the kill vote but in this game of no voting that means either nothing at all or Luv is also mafia and Noodles at a lesser extent a possible mafia and she saved them. I'm just not sure that Jpap would park on Noodles and move at a later time. So Noodles is pretty cleared to me. So its possible that Luv is mafia. If Luv is mafia it doesn't clear DD thou. DD might be pointing fingers in that direction but not voting her when they were tied is scummy imo.

13 players voted out of 17

No votes from

JL
Dopey
TRS
DD, the only 1 that was active at the time.


What is your reasoning for thinking I am mafia Ice? Is it still over the pizza comment? Truly the only reason I said you (Ice) and DD only got it is because no one else referred to the joke directly. Everyone else seemed to just be chiming in with what they liked on their pizzas. I wasn't even sure if Kash got it. Maybe I didn't give everyone else enough credit.

Here is my list:

DD: Didn't vote at all last night, but kept pointing towards me all day yesterday saying she would probably vote for me. I think that DD is mafia. She knew Noods, me , and MC weren't mafia (she couldn't have known MC was the SK) and therefore didn't wanna draw too much attention to herself by making a tie breaking vote. None of them were mafia, so she wasn't gonna lose any buddies, so she didn't care.

Kash: Very quiet this time around. Don't know if that is just because she isn't having to defend herself from the get go or not. Still up in the air.

Rich: Looks like he is defending DD today. Hmmmm.

JM: Hmmmmm...

Noods: Has totally fooled me before. I thought for sure she was mafia my first game, but she was communicating innocent. I don't know what to think, but does seem like she is trying to help the town; more so then some.

Ice: The whole Coler/Ice thing yesterday was weird. Don't know if he is riding Coler's innocent coat tails or is truly trying to help the townies. So far, has been makin some great points and been somewhat helpful.. Dunno..

JL: Doesn't post or vote first day. Comes in outta the blue on the second day, votes DD first thing. Gives what I think is a decent reason for not being on the first day. Up in the air.

TRS: Usually comes in guns a blazin' to every game. Where is he?

Dopehand: ?????

[jm1212]

i do also think that it is pretty suspicious that all of a sudden JL came out of nowhere out of left field and voted.

honestly, both of you could be mafia at this time, but i am actually leaning more towards JL...the way they just came out and started pointing fingers at DD in such a small time frame is almost screaming ulterior motive to me. it just seems like someone is behind the scenes telling you what to do; your vote is just to sporadic for my liking and is just too all-of-a-sudden. still, i think it would be very unwise for the mafia to just start out like this after jpap got tagged by the MC.

DD has had her share of strange activities as well. not voting yesterday may raise some flags, but then again most votes yesterday were totally random and based on little to nothing. still, she's not really any higher on my list than noddles and luvbugz, who i had some mediocre suspicions for yesterday.

i really think it just happened by chance that MC ended up dying right at the end, and voted for himself to get someone else to think he was an innocent and save him.

[jm1212]

What is your reasoning for thinking I am mafia Ice? Is it still over the pizza comment? Truly the only reason I said you (Ice) and DD only got it is because no one else referred to the joke directly. Everyone else seemed to just be chiming in with what they liked on their pizzas. I wasn't even sure if Kash got it. Maybe I didn't give everyone else enough credit.

Here is my list:

DD: Didn't vote at all last night, but kept pointing towards me all day yesterday saying she would probably vote for me. I think that DD is mafia. She knew Noods, me , and MC weren't mafia (she couldn't have known MC was the SK) and therefore didn't wanna draw too much attention to herself by making a tie breaking vote. None of them were mafia, so she wasn't gonna lose any buddies, so she didn't care.


this is actually a very good point, although it is a bit of speculation. i'll have to go through the thread to find and good evidence to back it up...

[Dangerdoll]

Is that a OMGUS from DD???

I am hurt.
it'll be ok... only stings for a minute

[Luvbugz]

I might as well put my vote out here: I VOTE TO LYNCH DANGERDOLL for the reasons I have listed above.

[jm1212]

it'll be ok... only stings for a minute
woa...getting a little sinister there?

[Dangerdoll]

Now we are slinging. Something to read. I think all logic at this point must be based on thin arguments right now, of course that is the point of the game too.

DD you did not think your vote would matter? as of course it surely would have or just did not want get in the middle of it all?
show me where it would have mattered, rich


What is your reasoning for thinking I am mafia Ice? Is it still over the pizza comment? Truly the only reason I said you (Ice) and DD only got it is because no one else referred to the joke directly. Everyone else seemed to just be chiming in with what they liked on their pizzas. I wasn't even sure if Kash got it. Maybe I didn't give everyone else enough credit.

Here is my list:

DD: Didn't vote at all last night, but kept pointing towards me all day yesterday saying she would probably vote for me. I think that DD is mafia. She knew Noods, me , and MC weren't mafia (she couldn't have known MC was the SK) and therefore didn't wanna draw too much attention to herself by making a tie breaking vote. None of them were mafia, so she wasn't gonna lose any buddies, so she didn't care.

Kash: Very quiet this time around. Don't know if that is just because she isn't having to defend herself from the get go or not. Still up in the air.

Rich: Looks like he is defending DD today. Hmmmm.

JM: Hmmmmm...

Noods: Has totally fooled me before. I thought for sure she was mafia my first game, but she was communicating innocent. I don't know what to think, but does seem like she is trying to help the town; more so then some.

Ice: The whole Coler/Ice thing yesterday was weird. Don't know if he is riding Coler's innocent coat tails or is truly trying to help the townies. So far, has been makin some great points and been somewhat helpful.. Dunno..

JL: Doesn't post or vote first day. Comes in outta the blue on the second day, votes DD first thing. Gives what I think is a decent reason for not being on the first day. Up in the air.

TRS: Usually comes in guns a blazin' to every game. Where is he?

Dopehand: ?????
you are crazy, there was no tie last night.... did you miss that post?


i do also think that it is pretty suspicious that all of a sudden JL came out of nowhere out of left field and voted.

honestly, both of you could be mafia at this time, but i am actually leaning more towards JL...the way they just came out and started pointing fingers at DD in such a small time frame is almost screaming ulterior motive to me. it just seems like someone is behind the scenes telling you what to do; your vote is just to sporadic for my liking and is just too all-of-a-sudden. still, i think it would be very unwise for the mafia to just start out like this after jpap got tagged by the MC.

DD has had her share of strange activities as well. not voting yesterday may raise some flags, but then again most votes yesterday were totally random and based on little to nothing. still, she's not really any higher on my list than noddles and luvbugz, who i had some mediocre suspicions for yesterday.

i really think it just happened by chance that MC ended up dying right at the end, and voted for himself to get someone else to think he was an innocent and save him.

I wouldn't say that anyone is actually behind the sidelines telling JL what to do, he's a big boy... can handle himself rather well... BUT you have something there. He came out rather strong with lots of assumptions for having "so much to read" in such a little time frame... that is where I find most of my suspicion for him.


I might as well put my vote out here: I VOTE TO LYNCH DANGERDOLL for the reasons I have listed above.
LOL you kill me, girl

[Dangerdoll]

woa...getting a little sinister there?


so everyone else is allowed to use sarcasm for simple ol' DD?

[Dangerdoll]

I mean that to say "except" for simple ol' DD

[maverickbr77]

you are crazy, there was no tie last night.... did you miss that post?


thats not really that great of a defense there was a tie for an hour and it was only broken with 5 minutes remaining untill night. im not saying you are mafia because you didn't vote, it could be you thought they were all good suspects and were just going to let it play out, however if bugz or noodles turn out innocent i would be highly suspicious that you were mafia

[johnlarson66]

i do also think that it is pretty suspicious that all of a sudden JL came out of nowhere out of left field and voted.

honestly, both of you could be mafia at this time, but i am actually leaning more towards JL...the way they just came out and started pointing fingers at DD in such a small time frame is almost screaming ulterior motive to me. it just seems like someone is behind the scenes telling you what to do; your vote is just to sporadic for my liking and is just too all-of-a-sudden. still, i think it would be very unwise for the mafia to just start out like this after jpap got tagged by the MC.

DD has had her share of strange activities as well. not voting yesterday may raise some flags, but then again most votes yesterday were totally random and based on little to nothing. still, she's not really any higher on my list than noddles and luvbugz, who i had some mediocre suspicions for yesterday.

i really think it just happened by chance that MC ended up dying right at the end, and voted for himself to get someone else to think he was an innocent and save him.

jm1212, you think my quick vote on DD is suspect and then in the NEXT paragraph you help make the case for voting DD. Her lack of a vote, when she was active in the game and had suspects is a very good reason to vote for her.

Me jumping in and voting for someone is pretty normal. Votes can be changed. If you think for a moment someone is telling me how to vote, then you need to go back and read some older games. I am sure if I had teamates they would be telling me not to jump in and start a fight with DD. Well maybe DD and I are teamates and I am doing it for distancing. The whole sidelines comment is classic noobatard. People on the sideline would tell me to do the exact oppisite. The mafia WILL hide in the shadows.


show me where it would have mattered, rich


you are crazy, there was no tie last night.... did you miss that post?



I wouldn't say that anyone is actually behind the sidelines telling JL what to do, he's a big boy... can handle himself rather well... BUT you have something there. He came out rather strong with lots of assumptions for having "so much to read" in such a little time frame... that is where I find most of my suspicion for him.


LOL you kill me, girl

I thought it was a tie. I was wrong. I still think DD's lack of voting is a bad thing. Top that with an OMGUS and I think we got one.

I still have so much to read. Everytime I click "unread posts" it brings me to the first one. I skimmed big time and the posts after nightfall have gotten most of my attention.

[Dangerdoll]

so why would an OMGUS vote justify being scummy?

[dirtydawg10]

You are sorry the SK was taken out? Why?


if anything, this is a good thing that he's gone. personally, i dont think that there was any planning to the hit. the SK just chose someone, but it just happened to be a mafia.

UMMM...in case you guys missed it the SK is the only person playing who took out any mafia so far. Granted it was probably random but it helped the Town none the less. I don't see why it wouldn't have been a benefit for the town to have the SK hitting more scum for us.



It would be great if Dawg and Firedancer picked up their pace and participated a little more. Maverick too......

The pace will be picking up tonight I assure you. I have a lot of reading to do and will be posting my comments. I was gone to NH Sunday and had a busy Monday back at work so I couldn't post from here. I'll be on at home quite a bit tonight looking into connections with JPap.

[IceH2O]

What is your reasoning for thinking I am mafia Ice? Is it still over the pizza comment? Truly the only reason I said you (Ice) and DD only got it is because no one else referred to the joke directly. Everyone else seemed to just be chiming in with what they liked on their pizzas. I wasn't even sure if Kash got it. Maybe I didn't give everyone else enough credit.



Its part the Pizza comment and part the possibility of you being team mates with DD and grouping me in as a third of your party plus the fact that while in a 3 way tie DD who pointed your way all day decided not to place a vote in your direction which in the end saved you.




show me where it would have mattered, rich


you are crazy, there was no tie last night.... did you miss that post?






You are joking right? It was 4-4-4 until FD came in and voted MC then he voted himself.

As for JL, I think his excuse is the truth. Doesn't mean I think he is innocent though I do like the thought process. I find its easier to figure the good from bad when you haven't been in the middle of it.



Still not sure who to vote for, maybe I'll take a page from DD and not vote since I'm not 100% sure of anyone.

[johnlarson66]

Okay, I have done some reading up to nightfall.

I am sure I skimmed some. Also knowing that MC was the SK and that Coler was innocent and jpap was mafia also put things in a different way than when I first read it.


Of everyone right now I am inclined towards Noodles...and kinda JM as well...sorta feeling it for MC...and Kashta actually - but these are basically so weak as ought to be considered random and not based on anything useful. Insofar as its D1, unless anything better presents itself that's sorta where I will be putting a vote ultimately...if I do vote.

Coler (innocent - killed by mafia) had the following suspects: Noods, JM, MC and Kash. He states that they are weak and basicly random. Coler has good instincts (when he is playing) and we now know he was innocent.


actually, if I werer to vote anyone today, it would be bugz... not ready to just yet though... so far bugz has claimed something odd in the beginning of the game and again here, bugz... your reason for voting MC is because he is the only one continuoulsy bringing up the whole Ice and DD joke thing..... I think O have been bringing it up and I believe Ice has too now... so now what? Nothing else looks as shady to me as this...

Here DD states that if she were to vote it would be for bugz, but not ready yet.


oh wait! looks like a 3 way tie, unless I counted wrong....

Here it is mentioned it is a tie (I think there is less than an hour left)


ya 3 way tie by my count as well

Confirmed it is a tie.


Mostly: Dawg(93) Luv(127) Kashta(156) Agass(161)
Red: --Noodles(100)--
Coler: --Ice(106)--
Noodles: Jpappy(108) Ice(173) Coler(195) Jm(203)
Dopehand: --Mostly(118)--
Luv: Mostly(136) Noodles(154) Rich(191) Mav(202)

Mod confirms the tie


I would still like the answers on why the votes for me from Kash and Agass...hopefully before night.

MC wants to know why Agass and Kash voted for him. Kash explained, looked like Agass just followed Kash


You seem the most suspicious to me, MC. I gave some examples in my post that weren't already mentioned. I didn't feel you were trying to stimulate conversation or unravel anything as much as looking to place scum labels wherever you could. There isn't a lot more than that to go on this day so that's how I voted.

Kash explains her vote, not real firmly, but at least she answered.


I dislike being a final vote on day 1. That being said, I don't feel quite right about Mostly, and I really don't like the vote on Luv right now. Especially as it is the first vote on.

I vote to lynch MostlyChiclids.

FD, out of no where, with not much time left, breaks the tie. Highly suspect. Admits to saving Luv (saved noods also). While I think no voting would have been suspect also, it should be noted that FD did decide MC's fate.


Well it looks as if I am done....this game kinda sucked anyway with only a little more than half the players playing......

I retract my vote on LuvBugs and I VOTE TO MYSELF (MC)

Seems like MC was kinda down in the dumps with the slow start and wanted to just off himself. I am not sure if he knew that FD had already killed him.

I think for day one, there was plenty of posts, keep in mind this is from someone that did not post at all. I think MC was excited about having such a cool power role and disappointed about it being a slow start.

[Luvbugz]

Its part the Pizza comment and part the possibility of you being team mates with DD and grouping me in as a third of your party plus the fact that while in a 3 way tie DD who pointed your way all day decided not to place a vote in your direction which in the end saved you.






You are joking right? It was 4-4-4 until FD came in and voted MC then he voted himself.

As for JL, I think his excuse is the truth. Doesn't mean I think he is innocent though I do like the thought process. I find its easier to figure the good from bad when you haven't been in the middle of it.



Still not sure who to vote for, maybe I'll take a page from DD and not vote since I'm not 100% sure of anyone.

No one more than me is shocked that DD did not vote for me. I waited all night for her vote. I truly did not think I would be here today hence my vote for her.

Where does that put FD then? I dunno. I truly think she is busy with her baby and didn't get to vote until the last second. At least she did vote.

[Luvbugz]

Also Ice, why would I point right to that fact minutes after the game was back on?? Don't you think I would be trying to help cover my buddies' backside??

[johnlarson66]

Its part the Pizza comment and part the possibility of you being team mates with DD and grouping me in as a third of your party plus the fact that while in a 3 way tie DD who pointed your way all day decided not to place a vote in your direction which in the end saved you.






You are joking right? It was 4-4-4 until FD came in and voted MC then he voted himself.

As for JL, I think his excuse is the truth. Doesn't mean I think he is innocent though I do like the thought process. I find its easier to figure the good from bad when you haven't been in the middle of it.



Still not sure who to vote for, maybe I'll take a page from DD and not vote since I'm not 100% sure of anyone.

I was doubting myself (mostly because I had skimmed) about the tie towards nightfall.

I quoted what went down in my last post. I am feeling better about my vote on DD. I also am concerned with FD, with her late minute vote. I also am a little concerned about a few comments Kash has made.

I think all of the people left on Colers list need some sort of look into.

I am also unsure why MC choose to hit jpap. Now that we know that jpap was mafia and that Coler was innocent. I think the votes on noods should be looked at first:


Noodles: Jpappy(108) Ice(173) Coler(195) Jm(203)


jpappy was mafia, Coler was hit by the mafia. That leaves Ice and Jm. I doubt if the mafia would double up on a player on day one back to back. maybe be the third vote, but that would be Coler who they hit.

Now jpap could have been voting for one of his teamates for distancing, but from my experience with jpap, I think that would be more agressive than he plays.

Ice, I just don't see him being the second vote with a teamate, not on day one and not with much reason.

Coler, mafia hit him - was this to sick people on Nods?

JM - not sure if they would vote with a teamate, but could see them doing it, mafia had no reason to think that jpap would be hit by the SK and his role known. It is better for the mafia to blend in than being a lone vote somewhere else. If noods is mafia, then this would clear JM. Besides that I would have JM slightly leaning mafia.

So with Colers list (Noods, JM, MC and Kash) I have the following thoughts:

Noods - leaning innocent, can't see jpap voting a teamate on day one.

JM - look above (slightly mafia)

MC - dead SK, not sure if he was hunting mafia or innocents.

Kash - I don't think she would have offed Coler after being named. I do think she would go after Ice or Dawg as far as hits (and maybe me - but I was not around) if she is mafia a stronger person is running things.

[johnlarson66]

As far as my excuse, I welcome you all to look at the pictures from myspace that I posted. We had a blast.

Ice, we will be having a Madden 10 tournament...

[jm1212]

I was doubting myself (mostly because I had skimmed) about the tie towards nightfall.

I quoted what went down in my last post. I am feeling better about my vote on DD. I also am concerned with FD, with her late minute vote. I also am a little concerned about a few comments Kash has made.

I think all of the people left on Colers list need some sort of look into.

I am also unsure why MC choose to hit jpap. Now that we know that jpap was mafia and that Coler was innocent. I think the votes on noods should be looked at first:



jpappy was mafia, Coler was hit by the mafia. That leaves Ice and Jm. I doubt if the mafia would double up on a player on day one back to back. maybe be the third vote, but that would be Coler who they hit.

Now jpap could have been voting for one of his teamates for distancing, but from my experience with jpap, I think that would be more agressive than he plays.

Ice, I just don't see him being the second vote with a teamate, not on day one and not with much reason.

Coler, mafia hit him - was this to sick people on Nods?

JM - not sure if they would vote with a teamate, but could see them doing it, mafia had no reason to think that jpap would be hit by the SK and his role known. It is better for the mafia to blend in than being a lone vote somewhere else. If noods is mafia, then this would clear JM. Besides that I would have JM slightly leaning mafia.

So with Colers list (Noods, JM, MC and Kash) I have the following thoughts:

Noods - leaning innocent, can't see jpap voting a teamate on day one.

JM - look above (slightly mafia)

MC - dead SK, not sure if he was hunting mafia or innocents.

Kash - I don't think she would have offed Coler after being named. I do think she would go after Ice or Dawg as far as hits (and maybe me - but I was not around) if she is mafia a stronger person is running things. it is unfortunate that you feel this way...day one votes are usually made on tiny suspicions or totally random. yesterday, noodle's behavior cught my eye a few times, but so did LuvBugz. those suspicions were just little things and proved not to be worth anything.

today is a different story. both you and DD have brought up pretty vailid points about one another, and LuvBugz also brought up some pretty good points about DD that i also agree with.

[johnlarson66]

No one more than me is shocked that DD did not vote for me. I waited all night for her vote. I truly did not think I would be here today hence my vote for her.

Where does that put FD then? I dunno. I truly think she is busy with her baby and didn't get to vote until the last second. At least she did vote.

Hmmm, FD saves you from a coin flip and you defend her.

Was a last second vote better than a no vote? Since it was your rear she was saving, I can't see you having an abjective comment.

What also has me concerned is that FD clearly stated that she did not like the votes on Luvz. If you look at the votes on MC, they are even weaker than the ones on Luvz. Really when is there a real good reason for voting someone on Day One. There was no good reason to save Luvz or lynch MC.

This Luvz and FD connection needs watched.

[rich311k]

This is odd we have people who talked a lot, some who have said little and not many in the middle. JL seems to be making up for yesterday, cant shut him up now.

DD is playing her normal self. Noodles too if a bit quiet today.

JM is on and talking now.

I still think bugz is fishy.

Too hot in may basement to think. Maybe I need a stroll and a smoke to get the juices flowing.

[Kashta]

i do also think that it is pretty suspicious that all of a sudden JL came out of nowhere out of left field and voted.

honestly, both of you could be mafia at this time, but i am actually leaning more towards JL...the way they just came out and started pointing fingers at DD in such a small time frame is almost screaming ulterior motive to me. it just seems like someone is behind the scenes telling you what to do; your vote is just to sporadic for my liking and is just too all-of-a-sudden. still, i think it would be very unwise for the mafia to just start out like this after jpap got tagged by the MC.

DD has had her share of strange activities as well. not voting yesterday may raise some flags, but then again most votes yesterday were totally random and based on little to nothing. still, she's not really any higher on my list than noddles and luvbugz, who i had some mediocre suspicions for yesterday.

i really think it just happened by chance that MC ended up dying right at the end, and voted for himself to get someone else to think he was an innocent and save him.

This I disagree with completely. MC was already leading the votes a good 10 min or so before nightfall (once FD voted him). He did switch his vote from Luvbugz to himself but he couldn't have expected anyone else to change their vote one way or another based on that move (trying to appear innocent) because he waited until the very last minute to do it.

Check back to his post and you'll see it hit the thread at one minute after the server clock hit nightfall and one minute later (at 2 min past the hour), JL posted that was nightfall.

As the SK, MC wasn't tied to anyone... and his vote on Luvbugz didn't carry her to get lynched anyway so he also didn't switch to save her. MC was going out already and he knew it... which is what he said as well. His last-minute switch had no effect on anyone so, while I think it was a pointless gesture, all I can read into that was that it was his way of saying his game is over and... farewell.


UMMM...in case you guys missed it the SK is the only person playing who took out any mafia so far. Granted it was probably random but it helped the Town none the less. I don't see why it wouldn't have been a benefit for the town to have the SK hitting more scum for us.

The pace will be picking up tonight I assure you. I have a lot of reading to do and will be posting my comments. I was gone to NH Sunday and had a busy Monday back at work so I couldn't post from here. I'll be on at home quite a bit tonight looking into connections with JPap.

Dawg, I have trouble with your explanation here. If MC's hit on Jpappy was random (which you stated above) and that's the only reason he killed off a mafia player, why would we presume at all that he would have been "hitting more scum for us" had he stayed in the game?


Okay, I have done some reading up to nightfall.

I am sure I skimmed some. Also knowing that MC was the SK and that Coler was innocent and jpap was mafia also put things in a different way than when I first read it.

Coler (innocent - killed by mafia) had the following suspects: Noods, JM, MC and Kash. He states that they are weak and basicly random. Coler has good instincts (when he is playing) and we now know he was innocent.

Here DD states that if she were to vote it would be for bugz, but not ready yet.

Here it is mentioned it is a tie (I think there is less than an hour left)

Confirmed it is a tie.

Mod confirms the tie

MC wants to know why Agass and Kash voted for him. Kash explained, looked like Agass just followed Kash

Kash explains her vote, not real firmly, but at least she answered.

FD, out of no where, with not much time left, breaks the tie. Highly suspect. Admits to saving Luv (saved noods also). While I think no voting would have been suspect also, it should be noted that FD did decide MC's fate.

Seems like MC was kinda down in the dumps with the slow start and wanted to just off himself. I am not sure if he knew that FD had already killed him.

I think for day one, there was plenty of posts, keep in mind this is from someone that did not post at all. I think MC was excited about having such a cool power role and disappointed about it being a slow start.

On Coler: Yes he has terrific instincts, that's very true. But he also blows a LOT of smoke deliberately both early in the game to get people rattled... just before nightfall to see if he can get someone else to switch... or just because he's playing around and it's a fun way to do this. From what I saw from him in the last game, I decided not to read very much into his read of the suspects he posted on D1 (despite the fact that he flipped innocent at the end) because the whole day was painfully slow and I know he points at people sometimes that he doesn't really suspect. He did that last time when it wasn't intended to benefit his mafia connection or even distance himself from it. I'm not saying for us to disregard what Coler said about others from his role as an innocent... just that I'm reluctant to give it very much weight.

On DD: That I agree with. She really did lean a certain way and had every chance to follow through with it and vote for the person she claimed to suspect... which she decided not to do.

On MC: As I mentioned here already, I don't think MC was confused or trying anything.. so I doubt that he offed himself either. I was waiting to see what would happen that last hour before nightfall and it wasn't very eventful. We had a three-way tie going for quite some time and I'm sure everyone was waiting to see which way the non-voters/non-participants would go to decide the outcome. The tally was posted and nothing really happened... FD cast a deciding vote.. and nobody switched. Then nobody else showed up to vote either.

[johnlarson66]

it is unfortunate that you feel this way...day one votes are usually made on tiny suspicions or totally random. yesterday, noodle's behavior cught my eye a few times, but so did LuvBugz. those suspicions were just little things and proved not to be worth anything.

today is a different story. both you and DD have brought up pretty vailid points about one another, and LuvBugz also brought up some pretty good points about DD that i also agree with.

I think it is very fortunate that I feel this way and that I am sharing my feelings. You felt that I was being coached on the side and being told what to say. I think I am your top suspect based on me being coached or launching a quick vote. I am not sure if you have voted yet, but I am curious of where your vote ends up today.

Being slightly mafia on my list is not such a bad thing!

[johnlarson66]

I agree that MC's post and vote switch was just a way of saying good-bye.

The tie was over. When there was a tie, DD and FD both were non-voters who had posted in the thread. DD had a suspect. I am not sure of FD. FD did save Luvz and stated that she was doing so. (no save for noods - but she saved noods also from a coin toss)

Since I was not playing at the time, and I know that MC was the SK, it is hard for me to be too abjective about the votes on MC.

Hindsight is 20/20.

[jm1212]

I agree that MC's post and vote switch was just a way of saying good-bye.

The tie was over. When there was a tie, DD and FD both were non-voters who had posted in the thread. DD had a suspect. I am not sure of FD. FD did save Luvz and stated that she was doing so. (no save for noods - but she saved noods also from a coin toss)

Since I was not playing at the time, and I know that MC was the SK, it is hard for me to be too abjective about the votes on MC.

Hindsight is 20/20.
just for record's sake...what would your opinion of the doctor be?

[noodles62]

Well, I just got back from my water aerobics class and now I hope to have a few minutes to think without my tipsy hubby bugging me!!! Arg!

I too am concerned with FD's last minute vote (exactly 5 minutes before nightfall) to seal the deal for MC, saving both Bugz and myself. I know she has a baby but having had 3 myself, I feel that there would be a little more free time to play...:huh: JMO

DD's absence of a vote also concerns me. Seems odd that one would make strong accusations and then not bother to vote at all, not even to sway the outcome of a 3 way tie.....seems kinda strange for her....

Bugz also remains as someone to watch....more later after I try to catch up and collect my thoughts.

[The Red Severum]

Woo Sev is back, been uber busy, with loosing power for 3 days, loosing all my food, and keeping 30 tanks from loosing oxygen so doing constant water changes..
Sorry, I got 31 pages to read, and thanks for voting for me noodles, shows how much your vote is worth.

[johnlarson66]

just for record's sake...what would your opinion of the doctor be?

Here is my opinion of the doctor -


The Doctor: Can choose one person to protect from the Mafia and SK each Day. They may not protect people from the lynch. The Doc can protect themself. The Doc also has one investigation that can be used at any time.

I think the mafia would love to know who the Doctor is. The Doctor is the main enmy of the Mafia as they can protect against their hit plus they have one investigation.

Are you wanting to know who I think the Doctor is?

[rich311k]

If you knew who Dr was that would be impressive.

Red finally showed up. How is the catching up going? You must have a thought or two by now.

[rich311k]

Dawg you have had time, lets here your words of wisdom.

[jm1212]

Here is my opinion of the doctor -



I think the mafia would love to know who the Doctor is. The Doctor is the main enmy of the Mafia as they can protect against their hit plus they have one investigation.

Are you wanting to know who I think the Doctor is?
go ahead, take a guess

[dirtydawg10]

After reading back through here's what I saw...


In the posts below you see JPap wanted the SK killed no matter what. That seems odd to me as I have said before. If the SK was helping the Town why get rid of them?

I should probably answer this...

I would try to lynch them.

Why? Well there is only a 50% chance they are with the town in the first place, well sort of as really they can waver and switch sides at their liking. There is no way to tell for sure which side they are on at the time as the SK can randomly hit anybody they choose: scum or not scum. And they don't know who is who, so they might be going for scum and hit a townie, or vice versa. I hope this makes sense. Therefore, I think it is best to get them out of the way as 1) they dont count towards the town's numbers and 2) they can easily kill townies night after night.

I don't know about other people, but thats what I would do.


IMO it doesn't matter how pro-town the SK is they still have a good chance of hitting townies. One person's gut instinct is no different really than the collective votes of the town in this situation. On the flip side if they are with the mafia they have a chance of hitting mafia too, but even less so than townies given a normal split of more innocents/less evils.

In this game the SK can choose whatever "side" they want but the outcome of the hits are not going to follow those lines 100% of the time.

More who state they want the SK killed...maybe coincidence maybe not.

The way I look at it is: The SK can kill all willy nilly whomever he/she wants and whenever they want. I highly doubt they are really gonna pick sides to "help" because they are totally in it for their self preservation. The way I look at it we already have the mafia picking us off one by one, why take a chance at getting picked off by the SK too??


That got me thinking... Few reasons come to mind which lead me to decide that I would take out the SK if I knew who it was. The SK has no allegiance to one side or the other so nothing they do or say is going to help us root out scum... if ongoing participation doesn't benefit any of us (isn't particularly pro-town), then there's no reason (so far) to protect them or keep that person in the game.

At best, they'll just add to the confusion which also doesn't help us... that would help the mafia more than anyone else. At worst, they'll be able to kill at random instead of selectively..... where the population of potential victims is something around 3/4 townies to 1/4 scum. So lacking any reason to target scum over citizens those random deaths will more likely kill innocents.

I see more ways in which the SK will likely hurt us more than help us, so that's more reason to remove them.


Is JPap protecting DD or JM here? or both?

Why DD? She has been in the mix and is more vocal than usual with the quesitoning of Luv...if anyone jm has only 2 posts so far. But with there being just over 24 hours of gameplay so far I would be more worried about who is a no show vs. who exactly is talking.


IRONY

I don't think the SK would be so stupid as to hit someone this early. Harsh, but it would be royally stupid no matter what side they are on to pick a random hit early. Plus, it's already been explained (exhausted really) that 2/3 of the remaining players to post have not even been on AC yet. And I don't think the SK would want to hit a newb. Just doesn't seem plausible at this point.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the SK is going to wait until he/she sees the game tip to one side's favor and then use their hits. No sense in randomly hitting people only to even up the score. They want the game to be as quick as possible so they do not have to survive longer than needed. I could be entirely wrong, as I cannot know what the SK is thinking. Just my thoughts again...


DD casting suspicion but not casting a vote...

actually, if I werer to vote anyone today, it would be bugz... not ready to just yet though... so far bugz has claimed something odd in the beginning of the game and again here, bugz... your reason for voting MC is because he is the only one continuoulsy bringing up the whole Ice and DD joke thing..... I think O have been bringing it up and I believe Ice has too now... so now what? Nothing else looks as shady to me as this...


Just thought I'd point this out because it doesn't seem like the usual Ice.

Anyone have a vote tally? Haven't kept up really. Shouldn't have to do the Mods work lol.

Then here he says he doesn't have a vote tally again...just seems strange.

So then why Luv over MC? I don't have a vote tally in front of me but I'm pretty sure MC had more then Luv.


I really don't like DD's excuse for not voting.

umm, I didn't spend "all day" throwing suspicion at you and you should really be a little more careful throwing your weight around. It's often times that the coc kiest if players turn out to be Mafia. Especially young ones. (Young meaning not having very many games under their belts).

so to answer the common question of "why I didn't vote" is simply because I didn't need to. Aside from not being around right up to night call, I wasn't really solid in my suspicion on those that had their necks on the line and knowing that I didn't really have to voted, I figured it would go as it would...



Jpap stopped posting in this thread around 3:30 yesterday, but was still posting all over the forum.....not sure that helps any, but there you have it.

This post from Z should explain your findings Noods...

The SK's Hit is instant, but I won't announce it till Nightfall. But you will know who killed who.


Right now DD is tops on my suspect list. Kash is up there too as is Ice. However if DD comes up mafia then Ice drops down the list. If she comes up innocent...Ice goes up on my list.

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg you have had time, lets here your words of wisdom.

You got it...:)

[dirtydawg10]

This I disagree with completely. MC was already leading the votes a good 10 min or so before nightfall (once FD voted him). He did switch his vote from Luvbugz to himself but he couldn't have expected anyone else to change their vote one way or another based on that move (trying to appear innocent) because he waited until the very last minute to do it.

Check back to his post and you'll see it hit the thread at one minute after the server clock hit nightfall and one minute later (at 2 min past the hour), JL posted that was nightfall.

As the SK, MC wasn't tied to anyone... and his vote on Luvbugz didn't carry her to get lynched anyway so he also didn't switch to save her. MC was going out already and he knew it... which is what he said as well. His last-minute switch had no effect on anyone so, while I think it was a pointless gesture, all I can read into that was that it was his way of saying his game is over and... farewell.



Dawg, I have trouble with your explanation here. If MC's hit on Jpappy was random (which you stated above) and that's the only reason he killed off a mafia player, why would we presume at all that he would have been "hitting more scum for us" had he stayed in the game?



On Coler: Yes he has terrific instincts, that's very true. But he also blows a LOT of smoke deliberately both early in the game to get people rattled... just before nightfall to see if he can get someone else to switch... or just because he's playing around and it's a fun way to do this. From what I saw from him in the last game, I decided not to read very much into his read of the suspects he posted on D1 (despite the fact that he flipped innocent at the end) because the whole day was painfully slow and I know he points at people sometimes that he doesn't really suspect. He did that last time when it wasn't intended to benefit his mafia connection or even distance himself from it. I'm not saying for us to disregard what Coler said about others from his role as an innocent... just that I'm reluctant to give it very much weight.

On DD: That I agree with. She really did lean a certain way and had every chance to follow through with it and vote for the person she claimed to suspect... which she decided not to do.

On MC: As I mentioned here already, I don't think MC was confused or trying anything.. so I doubt that he offed himself either. I was waiting to see what would happen that last hour before nightfall and it wasn't very eventful. We had a three-way tie going for quite some time and I'm sure everyone was waiting to see which way the non-voters/non-participants would go to decide the outcome. The tally was posted and nothing really happened... FD cast a deciding vote.. and nobody switched. Then nobody else showed up to vote either.

Why would we presume that he wouldn't try to hit more scum?

[dirtydawg10]

^^ Oh yeah and read the part JPap wrote under my post where it says "IRONY"

It is interesting that you have the same logic as the mafia scum did.

[johnlarson66]

go ahead, take a guess

jm1212, I am hoping that you are just messing with me and not really wanting my thoughts on who the doctor is.

I am pretty sure you have played before and I was pretty sure you were of normal inteligence, so I am going to take your request as some strange way of messing with me.

I doubt if you will find anyone willing to tell you who they think the doctor is. Good Luck.

[johnlarson66]

It was almost as if jpap talked MC into hitting him.

I wonder if MC thought jpap was mafia or was just thinning the heard.

[IceH2O]

just for record's sake...what would your opinion of the doctor be?


Huh???


Dawg,

If the SK had a clue that Jpap was mafia I could see that he was helping us out but I don't see a single piece of evidence pointing to Jpap as mafia.

The reason I asked what others thought about the SK was to see if it lent credence to mafia not wanting the distraction of another PR to find. I'm guessing that he took the shot due to them wanting to get rid of him. Could help us now that we know Jpap was mafia.

I haven't kept a vote tally since the mid 30s of these games so its not really out of the norm for me. Any tallies I kept during game was just going back through the thread that day. Not that into now as I think the Mod should handle that aspect.

So a team of Jpap DD Kash Luv Jm? 5 seems like a lot but its possible. Really I wouldn't even have considered Jm till the Dr question.

[noodles62]

go ahead, take a guess

Fishing for your mafia friends? :headshake2: Who in their right mind would out the Doc if they thought they knew who it was?!?!

I am gonna go ahead and place a vote and then I have to go for the evening. I will be back on in the morning. I vote to lynch Dangerdoll. She is one of several suspects and at this point she tops the list. My reasons have been previously stated.
Right now the others on my list are JM, Kashta, FD and possibly Bugz, not in any particular order....


Dawg, you have some very interesting points. Good to have your input.

[Luvbugz]

JM why are you hunting for the doctor??

[jm1212]

Huh???


Dawg,

If the SK had a clue that Jpap was mafia I could see that he was helping us out but I don't see a single piece of evidence pointing to Jpap as mafia.

The reason I asked what others thought about the SK was to see if it lent credence to mafia not wanting the distraction of another PR to find. I'm guessing that he took the shot due to them wanting to get rid of him. Could help us now that we know Jpap was mafia.

I haven't kept a vote tally since the mid 30s of these games so its not really out of the norm for me. Any tallies I kept during game was just going back through the thread that day. Not that into now as I think the Mod should handle that aspect.

So a team of Jpap DD Kash Luv Jm? 5 seems like a lot but its possible. Really I wouldn't even have considered Jm till the Dr question.
he seemed to have some pretty strong views about the SK, so i thought it would be fitting to mention the doctor...noone really has taken the doctor into account lately.

[jm1212]

JM why are you hunting for the doctor??
i would just like to know people's opinions of the Dr, thats all, besides the fact that i was just messing with JL

[johnlarson66]

jm1212, were you really hunting for the Doctor???

Place a vote, let us know where you stand.

Can anyone verify if jm1212 has played before or has suffered a head injury recently?

[jm1212]

jm1212, were you really hunting for the Doctor???

Place a vote, let us know where you stand.

Can anyone verify if jm1212 has played before or has suffered a head injury recently?
really, im not hunting for the doctor, considering i cant look for him.

[Luvbugz]

It sure sounded like you were phishing for the doc to me. You were asking other people's opinion's of who they thought it could be. You are now right up there on my list with DD.

[jm1212]

It sure sounded like you were phishing for the doc to me. You were asking other people's opinion's of who they thought it could be. You are now right up there on my list with DD.
thats pretty commical, considering how quickly you swooped in to try to place blame. actually, i was just jokingly asking what JL thought of the doctor, especially since he has had such a prominent role all of a sudden. you should know about jokes, especially since its one of the main reasons you are on my watch list. your defensive behavior and this right here are very scumy to me.

im telling you, Im not looking for The Doctor.

[johnlarson66]

i would just like to know people's opinions of the Dr, thats all, besides the fact that i was just messing with JL

You should have said -


No, I don't want to know who the doctor is, I am messing with JL trying to get him to slip - only an idiot (or mafia) would want to know about the doctor - and I am no idiot!

You sure had the chance. Why would you want my thoughts (or anyone thoughts on the idenity of the Doctor? What reason do you have for wanting people's opinion of the Doctor?

Here is some news to cheer you up, you are no longer slightly leaning mafia...

[johnlarson66]

really, im not hunting for the doctor, considering i cant look for him.

I have skimmed the game, but is there something in the rules that stops you for looking for the doctor? Are you able to hunt for mafia?

[jm1212]

You should have said -



You sure had the chance. Why would you want my thoughts (or anyone thoughts on the idenity of the Doctor? What reason do you have for wanting people's opinion of the Doctor?

Here is some news to cheer you up, you are no longer slightly leaning mafia...
thats too bad, because you're no longer slightly leaning mafia for me either.

again, just joking. both you and Luvbugz are blowing this out of proportion.

[johnlarson66]

i would just like to know people's opinions of the Dr, thats all, besides the fact that i was just messing with JL


really, im not hunting for the doctor, considering i cant look for him.


thats pretty commical, considering how quickly you swooped in to try to place blame. actually, i was just jokingly asking what JL thought of the doctor, especially since he has had such a prominent role all of a sudden. you should know about jokes, especially since its one of the main reasons you are on my watch list. your defensive behavior and this right here are very scumy to me.

im telling you, Im not looking for The Doctor.

OIC, you "would just like to know people's opinions of the Dr, thats all".

Not hunting or looking for the Doctor, just "would just like to know people's opinions of the Dr, thats all".

Thanks for clearing this up.

Want to go with the head injury excuse? It might be easier.

[johnlarson66]

thats too bad, because you're no longer slightly leaning mafia for me either.

again, just joking. both you and Luvbugz are blowing this out of proportion.

I am just doing what Luvbugz tells me to do. :)

Remember I am getting help on the side.

[Dangerdoll]

you guys are seriously putting way too much effort into the fact that I didn't vote last night.... what a shame too.... then I guess the next argument will be "well my excuse isn't or wasn't good enough".... and I am guessing that's what will happen if I am voted off and everyone including the mafia are saying, poor DD, she really did seem scummy... but that was my reason, like it or not... was it in bad judgement, I guess so... lesson learned...

[dirtydawg10]

Huh???


Dawg,

If the SK had a clue that Jpap was mafia I could see that he was helping us out but I don't see a single piece of evidence pointing to Jpap as mafia.

The reason I asked what others thought about the SK was to see if it lent credence to mafia not wanting the distraction of another PR to find. I'm guessing that he took the shot due to them wanting to get rid of him. Could help us now that we know Jpap was mafia.

I haven't kept a vote tally since the mid 30s of these games so its not really out of the norm for me. Any tallies I kept during game was just going back through the thread that day. Not that into now as I think the Mod should handle that aspect.

So a team of Jpap DD Kash Luv Jm? 5 seems like a lot but its possible. Really I wouldn't even have considered Jm till the Dr question.
I would agree with why MC took a shot at JPap.

As far as your vote tallies I just thought you kept up with the game more then you are letting on JMO. I especially thought it was interesting that you stated it twice like you were trying to make a point.

I'm not saying it's 5 and not saying I'm right on all of them. Just giving my suspicions. You forgot Ice is on the list too...;)



Fishing for your mafia friends? :headshake2: Who in their right mind would out the Doc if they thought they knew who it was?!?!

I am gonna go ahead and place a vote and then I have to go for the evening. I will be back on in the morning. I vote to lynch Dangerdoll. She is one of several suspects and at this point she tops the list. My reasons have been previously stated.
Right now the others on my list are JM, Kashta, FD and possibly Bugz, not in any particular order....


Dawg, you have some very interesting points. Good to have your input.
Glad to be playing finally.:lipssealedsmilie:

[johnlarson66]

jm1212,

You know what would cheer me up, besides your very funny jokes, is to see who you are voting for as mafia. Any suspects you feel to vote for?

Take your time, this is important.

[johnlarson66]

you guys are seriously putting way too much effort into the fact that I didn't vote last night.... what a shame too.... then I guess the next argument will be "well my excuse isn't or wasn't good enough".... and I am guessing that's what will happen if I am voted off and everyone including the mafia are saying, poor DD, she really did seem scummy... but that was my reason, like it or not... was it in bad judgement, I guess so... lesson learned...

I forgot you were still alive! I hadn't see you post much. Figured you just hung yourself.

I even quoted you saying you were not going to place a vote at that time. I really am unsure of what your reason is. I kinda have you and FD lumped together along with Luvbugz in some wierd way. Your OMGUS vote kinda did it for me.

Poor DD, she really did seem scummy. I miss her.

[Luvbugz]

I am just doing what Luvbugz tells me to do. :)

Remember I am getting help on the side.


I am a little hurt by this.. *sniff*

[jm1212]

jm1212,

You know what would cheer me up, besides your very funny jokes, is to see who you are voting for as mafia. Any suspects you feel to vote for?

Take your time, this is important.
your jokes are pretty funny as well. in fact, they've made me laugh a couple of times.

like the fact that you jump in in the middle of the game with no real suspicions and then go vote to lynch DD. sure, you "read" what was there, but how much can you really get from skimming?

you also sit there and twist my words and make jokes that make you believe that you are more intelligent than me, but you've failed to pickup on some that i have left for you that will explain my case a little better if you understood them. another side effect of "skimming"

then, you go and make nothing into some huge scandal, and LuvBugz just rides along on your tidal wave, twisting my words as well. its pretty funny to watch.

I vote to lynch johnlarson66.

nothing personal JL, but i just cant seem to take your higher intellectual level and more. my gut told me from the moment you voted for DD, and you've done nothing but make even more trouble since.

[dirtydawg10]

DD, here's your excuse and why it doesn't seem to hold water...

Here around 11:30am you say you will be gone from 12-6pm. Ok...no prob.

guys, I have a family picnic to go to today and will be gone from 12-6 (Eastern).... so MC, just so you know, I will be quiet during this time.

Here just before 6pm you make a post casting some suspicions but not voting. Ok so you got out of the party early. No big deal.

actually, if I werer to vote anyone today, it would be bugz... not ready to just yet though... so far bugz has claimed something odd in the beginning of the game and again here, bugz... your reason for voting MC is because he is the only one continuoulsy bringing up the whole Ice and DD joke thing..... I think O have been bringing it up and I believe Ice has too now... so now what? Nothing else looks as shady to me as this...

Then this morning you say you weren't around before night call. You were on a few hours before night and never mentioned you wouldn't be voting. It may have had more merit if you stated your intentions prior to not voting. This group of posts is scummy IMO.

umm, I didn't spend "all day" throwing suspicion at you and you should really be a little more careful throwing your weight around. It's often times that the coc kiest if players turn out to be Mafia. Especially young ones. (Young meaning not having very many games under their belts).

so to answer the common question of "why I didn't vote" is simply because I didn't need to. Aside from not being around right up to night call, I wasn't really solid in my suspicion on those that had their necks on the line and knowing that I didn't really have to voted, I figured it would go as it would...

I vote to lynch DD

[johnlarson66]

Thank you for placing your vote jm1212.

[Dangerdoll]

Its part the Pizza comment and part the possibility of you being team mates with DD and grouping me in as a third of your party plus the fact that while in a 3 way tie DD who pointed your way all day decided not to place a vote in your direction which in the end saved you.

You are joking right? It was 4-4-4 until FD came in and voted MC then he voted himself.

As for JL, I think his excuse is the truth. Doesn't mean I think he is innocent though I do like the thought process. I find its easier to figure the good from bad when you haven't been in the middle of it.


Still not sure who to vote for, maybe I'll take a page from DD and not vote since I'm not 100% sure of anyone.
brilliant Ice... :silly:


I forgot you were still alive! I hadn't see you post much. Figured you just hung yourself.

I even quoted you saying you were not going to place a vote at that time. I really am unsure of what your reason is. I kinda have you and FD lumped together along with Luvbugz in some wierd way. Your OMGUS vote kinda did it for me.

Poor DD, she really did seem scummy. I miss her.
:silly:

DD, here's your excuse and why it doesn't seem to hold water...

Here around 11:30am you say you will be gone from 12-6pm. Ok...no prob.

Here just before 6pm you make a post casting some suspicions but not voting. Ok so you got out of the party early. No big deal.

Then this morning you say you weren't around before night call. You were on a few hours before night and never mentioned you wouldn't be voting. It may have had more merit if you stated your intentions prior to not voting. This group of posts is scummy IMO.


I vote to lynch DD
Wow Dawg, now you're scrambling for reasons too.... whatever... I am just hoping everyone is paying attention to all this

[ZSandmann]

DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Nood(320) Dawg(339)
JL: DD(276) Jm(338)

[johnlarson66]

I don't remember Ice asking for a vote count.

[johnlarson66]

"In the game you will get accused, grilled, made to look like an idiot, and a hundred other things. IN THE GAME. Do not take anything personally or make ANY personal attacks."


FYI

[jm1212]

FYI
oh yes, i know :D

[johnlarson66]

I posted that for Ice...

:)

[rich311k]

Interesting. Everyone has been busy. I was off taking pictures.

It seems to me every game DD gets this and usually it is wrong, but she is being quiet and only reacting to attacks on herself.

Jl has been digging for sure and he has not been entirely without suspicion that is for sure. Definitely need to keep an eye on him.

Jim's interest in the Dr could be telling or maybe it is a joke. Most players would like to keep the DR well hidden.

Where have fire and maverick been? No opinions on anything?

[dirtydawg10]

brilliant Ice... :silly:


:silly:

Wow Dawg, now you're scrambling for reasons too.... whatever... I am just hoping everyone is paying attention to all this

No scrambling going on here. Just commenting on what I see. Isn't that what the town is supposed to do?

See my earlier post where I said you were my top suspect and why.

[Dangerdoll]

Interesting. Everyone has been busy. I was off taking pictures.

It seems to me every game DD gets this and usually it is wrong, but she is being quiet and only reacting to attacks on herself.

Jl has been digging for sure and he has not been entirely without suspicion that is for sure. Definitely need to keep an eye on him.

Jim's interest in the Dr could be telling or maybe it is a joke. Most players would like to keep the DR well hidden.

Where have fire and maverick been? No opinions on anything?
Rich, you really think I have time to do much else than to try to defend myself and yet still to no avail? Everyone has pretty much made up their mind about me... JL is already missing me for Pete's sake...

[maverickbr77]

I vote to lynch Luvbugz

not only has luv looked scummy to me from near the beginning but i think knowing her role will give us insite into FD and DD voting/nonvoting. I know noods was in the same position as luv was but the fact she had jpaps vote makes me hesitant to vote on her and i don't think she looks a scummy as luv does

[johnlarson66]

Besides DD, Kash and JM; I am curious about TRS, they popped in and now they are gone.

[johnlarson66]

I vote to lynch Luvbugz

not only has luv looked scummy to me from near the beginning but i think knowing her role will give us insite into FD and DD voting/nonvoting. I know noods was in the same position as luv was but the fact she had jpaps vote makes me hesitant to vote on her and i don't think she looks a scummy as luv does

I see this also. Luvbugz is no longer leaning innocent for me. I do have noods more innocent and think it is strange that FD spoke to save Luvbugz and not noods. There was no reason to even mention Luvbugz. FD's vote was more of a save than a lynch. Maybe this was to win Luvbugz over or protect them.

I am more for getting to the bottom of DD first, then looking into Luvbuz. I think all three of them (DD, FD, and Luvbugz) are somehow connected.

[johnlarson66]

DD, now that you are back, do you have any suspects you wish to tell us about?

I am guessing it is the people voting for you, but humor me. (jm1212 is gone)

[jm1212]

DD, now that you are back, do you have any suspects you wish to tell us about?

I am guessing it is the people voting for you, but humor me. (jm1212 is gone)
:thud:

[johnlarson66]

No more monsters for me...


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And I missed the whole first day. I must have drank after noods. :lipssealedsmilie:

[IceH2O]

Just to not have a runaway and lose any possible information to be gained.

I vote to lynch Luv

[IceH2O]

I see this also. Luvbugz is no longer leaning innocent for me. I do have noods more innocent and think it is strange that FD spoke to save Luvbugz and not noods. There was no reason to even mention Luvbugz. FD's vote was more of a save than a lynch. Maybe this was to win Luvbugz over or protect them.

I am more for getting to the bottom of DD first, then looking into Luvbuz. I think all three of them (DD, FD, and Luvbugz) are somehow connected.


Totally agree with this.

[FireDancer7905]

*g/o* Ok, first. Noods, I really am that busy. I thought I had more time before she was hungry, but we jsut got a walker and she practiced standing for almost 45 minutes and became ravenous. Sue to milk production issues it takes me 1-1 1/2 hours to feed her (she nurses, then takes a formula bottle and then I pump for 20 minutes on each side), and she eats 6-7 times a day. It's killing me, but I want her to have "mommy milk" for as long as I can retain my sanity. We also just moved into a new house, and are trying to get boxes unpacked and settled. The only reason I signed on for this game is because of the no ud rule. I would hate to hurt my team (even more than not posting) by uding. As it was, I cut the session short (don'y worry, she was well fed) to jump on and post. *g/o*

[FireDancer7905]

I hate to admit it, but I can kinda empathize with DDoll not posting. With the votes being so close, it almost seemed like a better idea to let the dice decide who was going home. But, it does seem out of character for her to not vote.

I think that it was a good thing that the SK is gone. Thanks for taking out a goon, but it was really a wild shot. What if jpap had been innocent? We would have lost 2 townies. Ouch!

Don't even pretend to askcwho the Dr is! We can't afford to lose them, and asking about is only going to cuase someone to slip up. You should know this jm (and yes, I understand that you said you were only joking, but still).

Why am I being linked to Luv? Yes, I "saved" her by voting MC, but it was mostly because I didn't think that the pizza fiasco was a good enough reason to vote her. I wish she would have given the rest of us enough credit to understand her joke, after all, we are playing a pretty intense thinking game, but that was it.

Maverick is worrying me with the run in, post something that sounds definitive and then disappearing. I think he is worth watching.

Ice always worries me. I get the urge to lynch him, just to be sure he's really a townie. I'm not totally feeling the mafia vibe, but maybe it'll come. ;)

JL, wth?!?! I am not gonna get on your case too badly, but man! You're usually more on top of your game than this! I know you've caught up and all, but missing day 1 is pretty icky.

[noodles62]

*g/o* Ok, first. Noods, I really am that busy. I thought I had more time before she was hungry, but we jsut got a walker and she practiced standing for almost 45 minutes and became ravenous. Sue to milk production issues it takes me 1-1 1/2 hours to feed her (she nurses, then takes a formula bottle and then I pump for 20 minutes on each side), and she eats 6-7 times a day. It's killing me, but I want her to have "mommy milk" for as long as I can retain my sanity. We also just moved into a new house, and are trying to get boxes unpacked and settled. The only reason I signed on for this game is because of the no ud rule. I would hate to hurt my team (even more than not posting) by uding. As it was, I cut the session short (don'y worry, she was well fed) to jump on and post. *g/o*


g//o No offense intended FD. I guess I am just getting testy about the lack of participation and your vote at the last five minutes seems a bit conspicuous. Enjoy your little one, it goes fast! g//o

[noodles62]

No more monsters for me...



And I missed the whole first day. I must have drank after noods. :lipssealedsmilie:


LMAO! And I think I have been a bit quiet this game! Yesterday was bad for me but I full intend on focusing on the game a bit more today.....

[noodles62]

Anyway, I retract my vote for Dangerdoll. My vote may well wind up back on her before nightfall however I wanted more time to sum up my own thoughts. In no way is she off my short list but I almost feel like I am letting myself get convinced by others.....Her non vote is very odd and not seeing a lot of input other than self defense...
Bugz still bugs me (no pun intended) and a few others peak my interest at this point. more details after I have had the time to read and evaulate my thoughts....

[noodles62]

Woo Sev is back, been uber busy, with loosing power for 3 days, loosing all my food, and keeping 30 tanks from loosing oxygen so doing constant water changes..
Sorry, I got 31 pages to read, and thanks for voting for me noodles, shows how much your vote is worth.

Sorry about your food and tank problems. What is that bolded part supposed to mean? So I voted for you? Might do it again too! :silly:

You have had one post in this entire game; now that you have had time to read, any thoughts? Woudl love to hear your input......

[Dangerdoll]

DD, now that you are back, do you have any suspects you wish to tell us about?

I am guessing it is the people voting for you, but humor me. (jm1212 is gone) I never left! :pc: anyway, no.... not everyone who is voting me do I think is mafia, still only the ones I have spoken about... and my reasons have been given.... through your thorough perusing, did you somehow skim those explanations? I mean you even had me explain my reasons further at one point...


Anyway, I retract my vote for Dangerdoll. My vote may well wind up back on her before nightfall however I wanted more time to sum up my own thoughts. In no way is she off my short list but I almost feel like I am letting myself get convinced by others.....Her non vote is very odd and not seeing a lot of input other than self defense...
Bugz still bugs me (no pun intended) and a few others peak my interest at this point. more details after I have had the time to read and evaulate my thoughts....
be careful Noodas.... make sure you vote before Ice and JL takes the non vote and runs with it causing the whole town to fall in an uproar.

[Dangerdoll]

LMAO! And I think I have been a bit quiet this game! Yesterday was bad for me but I full intend on focusing on the game a bit more today.....

ok, just to keep tabs, Dawg and TRS have also made claims to be more involved in the game.... we'll see...

[noodles62]

I am inclinded to place my vote on Bugz right now. I had my vote on her night one and I am still leary of her. I would really love to hear from some of the other players (the quiet or non existant ones) before placing my vote tho. Their lack of participation is really bothering me and would love to try to get a read on them and hear their opinions.......Agassizii; TRS; Dopehand.......

[dirtydawg10]

ok, just to keep tabs, Dawg and TRS have also made claims to be more involved in the game.... we'll see...

What's that supposed to mean?

[Kashta]

Here's my input this morning. I feel DD and Luv are both mafia. I also highly suspect FD being part of this but she still may be innocent... yet after reading FD's more recent posts, they fit in well having a connection to both DD and Luv. Reviewing the thread more has cleared Noodles, Ice, JL, and Rich in my mind. JM made a huge mistake calling for speculation about the Dr. which was really bad but may have been done out of inexperience, not realizing such a discussion would tip off the mafia as to who they'd want to hit next.

DD is not playing the same as she did when she was noncommunicating mafia or a noncommunicating wiseguy. This time, she was more active and connected in the game. When she is noncommunicating, she tends to float in and out more sporadically. I think she is communicating this time because her activity was a lot more connected/purposeful before she later had to defend herself for not voting.

In this game, DD has been posting more suspects and was quick to stir up interest over Luvbugz early on... which she failed to follow through on to vote Luvbugz for the lynch. I suspect Luv is her teammate and DD started that to distance them from each other while nothing else was going on yet, intending to switch off as soon as someone else flubbed up or a new suspicion developed elsewhere once the inactive players showed up. That just didn't happen through the first day.

I don't believe for a moment that DD decided not to vote out of indecision. The DD I've seen before would've played her best hunch to vote somewhere else, except she'd already committed herself to vote Luvbugz over anyone else. So she stayed out of the voting completely.

FD cast a late vote to save Luv by taking MC out instead. That was how they resolved the problem to save Luvbugz. FD voted MC with 5 minutes to spare with DD's vote held in reserve in case somebody switched from MC back to Luv. When nobody did, DD didn't vote for Luv (her #1 suspect) because that would've put Luv back in tied with MC with her fate decided by a coin toss. DD didn't vote Noodles or MC because she'd not built up a convincing case against them and it would've been obvious that she was only saving her teammate Luv.

As a vet, DD knew she'd end up taking flack over not voting but she also knows she can talk herself out of a tight spot fairly well. She tried to blow that off at first with her explanation to Ice... which isn't very solid at all. But Ice wasn't buying it... and that's when JL came into this. DD's now having to defend herself more intently. I just don't see it as being very convincing.

Jpappy (mafia) voted Noodles because he knew she wasn't on the scum team. He doesn't strike me as a vote switcher, hoping to distance himself with that vote. And I seriously doubt Ice would've followed Jpap's vote if both Jpap and Ice were mafia.

[Luvbugz]

My vote is on DD. It will stay on DD. I am not gonna sit here all day and defend myself. If I do get hit or lynched tonight townies and turn up innocent, what are you all gonna do then?? I hope you will take a hard long look at DD, JM, Rich, Ice and Mav. Maybe throw TRS on that list because he usually is a very active player. I have a feeling he is being coached to be quiet. Rich and Mav seem to be just running in and voting when it is convient and then disappearing again. DD tried to pin a pizza joke on me first day as scummy ( classic day one mafia tactics and was called on it by me) but then didn't back it up with a vote. Ice, I think is riding Coler's innocent coat tails. Plus, notice how he retracted his vote on Coler real fast?? That was probably because he knew Coler was the hit target that night. JM seems to be following DD's lead plus there was that whole "joke" about the doc. I dunno if it was a joke or not, but why even joke about it?? JM needs to be looked at a little more.

I would just like to point out that I have gone and done as much bush beating as I can. There are alot of people who are just sitting back and letting others do the work for them. I really want the townies to win this one, so please don't get so easily lead by their distracting techs.

[Luvbugz]

I totally expect the above post to be twisted and used against me. That is okay. I have done what I can for the town. I really hope when I do turn up innoncent you guys will come back and review what I have said. My playstyle is to come out all guns blazing and actually draw heat upon myself. It usually works really well to start sorting scum from nonscum. Usually the scummy are the first to point fingers and try to twist things like a pizza comment. Of course, a few townies get caught up in the madness, but those usually are easily picked out because they don't keep pushing the fact. The ones who keep pushing the fact after everyone else has let it go are the ones I can usually rely on being mafia. I really don't mind taking one for the team. I don't think it is hurtful to play this way. I just hope that the townies will heed my warnings and listen to who my suspects are in my wake. Please

[Luvbugz]

dagit hit reply too fast. last part was to read: please townies don't let them keep leading you astray this time.

[jm1212]

My vote is on DD. It will stay on DD. I am not gonna sit here all day and defend myself. If I do get hit or lynched tonight townies and turn up innocent, what are you all gonna do then?? I hope you will take a hard long look at DD, JM, Rich, Ice and Mav. Maybe throw TRS on that list because he usually is a very active player. I have a feeling he is being coached to be quiet. Rich and Mav seem to be just running in and voting when it is convient and then disappearing again. DD tried to pin a pizza joke on me first day as scummy ( classic day one mafia tactics and was called on it by me) but then didn't back it up with a vote. Ice, I think is riding Coler's innocent coat tails. Plus, notice how he retracted his vote on Coler real fast?? That was probably because he knew Coler was the hit target that night. JM seems to be following DD's lead plus there was that whole "joke" about the doc. I dunno if it was a joke or not, but why even joke about it?? JM needs to be looked at a little more.

I would just like to point out that I have gone and done as much bush beating as I can. There are alot of people who are just sitting back and letting others do the work for them. I really want the townies to win this one, so please don't get so easily lead by their distracting techs.
so everyone is part of the mafia except for you? of course thats how it works. just another thing to add to my list of things to watch you for.

its a funny thing you should mention any "jokes" considering its what almost got you lynched the first day.

im still evaluating my vote as it is, because some have made their case for mafia a bit better than JL.

[Luvbugz]

There a few who aren't on that list if you do notice. Also, a joke about pizza and a joke about finding out the doc is ; not even in the same ballpark.

[maverickbr77]

Maverick is worrying me with the run in, post something that sounds definitive and then disappearing. I think he is worth watching.



Rich and Mav seem to be just running in and voting when it is convient and then disappearing again.

I find it interesting you both think im "running in then disappearing" all the time. Ya I don't post a ton but Luv at least should know that's how i play. And i haven't really disappeared at any point im in here all the time when im not at work or sleeping.

Do you have something you would like my thought on or did someone say that it would be a good idea to point out that im not a top poster to the both of you?

[jm1212]

There a few who aren't on that list if you do notice. Also, a joke about pizza and a joke about finding out the doc is ; not even in the same ballpark.
why is it not? you basically called out a few other players. with my joke, you used the opportunity to point your finger and say ""look at him, look what he's doing, get him, get him now!" so people wouldnt focus on you.

[rich311k]

I have to say right now my top is Bugz, I worry about red, maverick, agassizi as the none participation has gotten ridiculous now.

Bugz if you check I have posted regularly, as much as you i suspect, I did not go and count.

You were my number one yesterday and I see no reason to change that now.

DD is on my list as well but she always is.

JL is a bit worrisome and I will keep my eye on him.

Fire finally posted something but a bit more would be nice. I am not sure of her at all.

I don't even no know who dope i,. certainly not playing so a waste of a vote.

[noodles62]

OK! I feel completely lost and confused and I think that is because there are no votes on me! What is wrong with that picture?! LOL

gonna put my list out there - 1 being inno, 10 being scum

Bugz - 6; not trusting but not convinced
Kashta - 5;not sure but something does not feel right
JM1212 - 6; that "doc joke" was really scary, so leaning scum
Dopehand - whatever!
Maverick - 5;not a good feeling here either
TRS - not sure but leaning scum; lack of posting!!!!
Agassizii - 3; leaning innocent but lack of posting makes it hard to tell
Dawg - 4; leaning innocent but has fooled me many times before
Fire - 5; leaning mafia - that last minute vote for the kill and to save bugz is weird!
Ice - 3; seems to be leaning inno, but again, I have been fooled before
Rich - 5; playing middle of the road as usual
JL - 3; kicking (er, beating the hell out of) bushes as usual but leaning inno right now
DD - 7; that non vote just does not sit right with me and she is always on my list, unfortunately I am not always right about her.....

not sure where my vote will go yet. :wall:

[johnlarson66]

Just some thoughts on jm1212 and to see if it was a joke or not. I don't think it was a joke and that he wanted to know who I thought the doctor was. I will be bolding some parts of quotes.


I agree that MC's post and vote switch was just a way of saying good-bye.

The tie was over. When there was a tie, DD and FD both were non-voters who had posted in the thread. DD had a suspect. I am not sure of FD. FD did save Luvz and stated that she was doing so. (no save for noods - but she saved noods also from a coin toss)

Since I was not playing at the time, and I know that MC was the SK, it is hard for me to be too abjective about the votes on MC.

Hindsight is 20/20.


just for record's sake...what would your opinion of the doctor be?


Here is my opinion of the doctor -



I think the mafia would love to know who the Doctor is. The Doctor is the main enmy of the Mafia as they can protect against their hit plus they have one investigation.

Are you wanting to know who I think the Doctor is?


go ahead, take a guess


jm1212, I am hoping that you are just messing with me and not really wanting my thoughts on who the doctor is.

I am pretty sure you have played before and I was pretty sure you were of normal inteligence, so I am going to take your request as some strange way of messing with me.

I doubt if you will find anyone willing to tell you who they think the doctor is. Good Luck.


Huh???


Dawg,

If the SK had a clue that Jpap was mafia I could see that he was helping us out but I don't see a single piece of evidence pointing to Jpap as mafia.

The reason I asked what others thought about the SK was to see if it lent credence to mafia not wanting the distraction of another PR to find. I'm guessing that he took the shot due to them wanting to get rid of him. Could help us now that we know Jpap was mafia.

I haven't kept a vote tally since the mid 30s of these games so its not really out of the norm for me. Any tallies I kept during game was just going back through the thread that day. Not that into now as I think the Mod should handle that aspect.

So a team of Jpap DD Kash Luv Jm? 5 seems like a lot but its possible. Really I wouldn't even have considered Jm till the Dr question.

This response right here to the above post -


he seemed to have some pretty strong views about the SK, so i thought it would be fitting to mention the doctor...noone really has taken the doctor into account lately.

Then this one -


i would just like to know people's opinions of the Dr, thats all, besides the fact that i was just messing with JL

I think it is pretty clear that jm1212 was not joking.

[noodles62]

Just some thoughts on jm1212 and to see if it was a joke or not. I don't think it was a joke and that he wanted to know who I thought the doctor was. I will be bolding some parts of quotes.

This response right here to the above post -

Then this one -

I think it is pretty clear that jm1212 was not joking.

This is pretty much what I have been thinking as well. Why would even bring it up unless you were hopeing someone would slip and say "I think the doc is blah blah, cause...."? We can all speculate who we think it is and the mafia have an advantage since they have communicating group, giving them simple deduction. why ask for someone to vocalize it?

I vote to lynch JM1212 on the basis of that sick joke as well as the fact that he seems to not be really trying to root out any scum. the majority of his posts are self defense, pointing fingers or "jokes". I realize this is not a concrete reason but the reasons I have for DD and Bugz are of comparable caliber and I do not wish to "not vote". we shall what it boils down to as the day progresses. If I need to change my vote to one of my other top supsects that is fine as I do not wish to be a lone, useless vote at nightfall.

[noodles62]

:swear: i hate typos! :swear:

[jm1212]

This is pretty much what I have been thinking as well. Why would even bring it up unless you were hopeing someone would slip and say "I think the doc is blah blah, cause...."? We can all speculate who we think it is and the mafia have an advantage since they have communicating group, giving them simple deduction. why ask for someone to vocalize it?

I vote to lynch JM1212 on the basis of that sick joke as well as the fact that he seems to not be really trying to root out any scum. the majority of his posts are self defense, pointing fingers or "jokes". I realize this is not a concrete reason but the reasons I have for DD and Bugz are of comparable caliber and I do not wish to "not vote". we shall what it boils down to as the day progresses. If I need to change my vote to one of my other top supsects that is fine as I do not wish to be a lone, useless vote at nightfall.
sweet a vote!

[rich311k]

Mr mod can we have a vote tally?

[jm1212]

after considering the events at hand, and giving it some more time to think, i have come to this conclusion.

while JL just appeared out of left field yesterday and voted for DD, he's been to "out in the open" to be mafia. in fact, its really Luvbugz that deserves my vote.

therefore, I retract my vote for johnlarson66. I vote to lynch LuvBugz.taking advantage of my little situation was classic mafia style. she's pointing fingers at everyone, trying to cause unrest all over the place. she's been on my watch list from the beginning, so there's no reason to stop watching now.

Noodles, you're not off the hook either. you've also been on my watch list for some time, and both of you have taken advantage of my situation. granted, i probably shouldnt have asked JL about the doctor, but you saying its "really scary" with your cute underlining is just another "OMG look what he's doing, never mind what im doing, kill him quick" type of thing. besides the fact that i voted for you yesterday, my suspicions have been strengthened

[noodles62]

after considering the events at hand, and giving it some more time to think, i have come to this conclusion.

while JL just appeared out of left field yesterday and voted for DD, he's been to "out in the open" to be mafia. in fact, its really Luvbugz that deserves my vote.

therefore, I retract my vote for johnlarson66. I vote to lynch LuvBugz.taking advantage of my little situation was classic mafia style. she's pointing fingers at everyone, trying to cause unrest all over the place. she's been on my watch list from the beginning, so there's no reason to stop watching now.

Noodles, you're not off the hook either. you've also been on my watch list for some time, and both of you have taken advantage of my situation. granted, i probably shouldnt have asked JL about the doctor, but you saying its "really scary" with your cute underlining is just another "OMG look what he's doing, never mind what im doing, kill him quick" type of thing. besides the fact that i voted for you yesterday, my suspicions have been strengthened

and just what is it that I am doing JM? Trying to figure out who is scum? Unlike you, all you can manage to do is say people are on your list and vote for them because they call you out for your scummy behavior.....At this point in the game i am really unsure of anyone's role but you are sticking out the most right now, even more so with your last post which consists of nothing but "look at everyone that's picking on me!" :cry:

[Luvbugz]

I find it interesting you both think im "running in then disappearing" all the time. Ya I don't post a ton but Luv at least should know that's how i play. And i haven't really disappeared at any point im in here all the time when im not at work or sleeping.

Do you have something you would like my thought on or did someone say that it would be a good idea to point out that im not a top poster to the both of you?

I was on the same team as you last time Mav, so yes I do kinda know your play style (We were mucs) . Coler or Kash would stir the pot and then you would jump in with a vote when it was convient. It does kinda look like you are doing the same.....

What are your thoughts on JM and DD then Mav? How about Ice? How about JL?

[jm1212]

and just what is it that I am doing JM? Trying to figure out who is scum? Unlike you, all you can manage to do is say people are on your list and vote for them because they call you out for your scummy behavior.....At this point in the game i am really unsure of anyone's role but you are sticking out the most right now, even more so with your last post which consists of nothing but "look at everyone that's picking on me!" :cry:
of all the controversial figures in the game you seem to be going after me the most.

and if you havent seen where i have been talking about behavior in previous posts to me voting ones, then you have been "skimming" or not reading at all, but then again you might not need to read through the thread to find out who is scum.

[jm1212]

and if im not mistaken noodles, you had plenty of those in the beginning of the game as well.

[maverickbr77]

I vote to lynch Luvbugz

not only has luv looked scummy to me from near the beginning but i think knowing her role will give us insite into FD and DD voting/nonvoting. I know noods was in the same position as luv was but the fact she had jpaps vote makes me hesitant to vote on her and i don't think she looks a scummy as luv does


I was on the same team as you last time Mav, so yes I do kinda know your play style (We were mucs) . Coler or Kash would stir the pot and then you would jump in with a vote when it was convient. It does kinda look like you are doing the same.....

What are your thoughts on JM and DD then Mav? How about Ice? How about JL?

I have DD leaning mafia but i think your role could shed more light on it

JM im not sure slightly scummy has he played before? could be a newbie dumb move but im not sure nothing else on him that comes to mind so i think he can wait

Ice i have no read on

JL I have as a townie I believe his reason for missing day one we knew he hadn't been on AC at all so i see nothing scummy in that and he has been hitting on alot of good points about some of the more suspect players

Yes i was a rebel(scum) last time but im not going to change my style no matter the role its just the way i am, i like to observe and only realy talk when i think it is necessary.

[Dangerdoll]

What's that supposed to mean?
meaning you all have excuses for your absences and promise and claim you will be more available and helpful.... well, all that did was up your post count in the thread a couple times and let everyone know you are aware you havent been so "in the game".... kind of like a subliminal thing easing attention off of you because you had the excuse.... so now where's all the work?

I expect that to be "confused" or misunderstood.


Here's my input this morning. I feel DD and Luv are both mafia. I also highly suspect FD being part of this but she still may be innocent... yet after reading FD's more recent posts, they fit in well having a connection to both DD and Luv. Reviewing the thread more has cleared Noodles, Ice, JL, and Rich in my mind. JM made a huge mistake calling for speculation about the Dr. which was really bad but may have been done out of inexperience, not realizing such a discussion would tip off the mafia as to who they'd want to hit next.

DD is not playing the same as she did when she was noncommunicating mafia or a noncommunicating wiseguy. This time, she was more active and connected in the game. When she is noncommunicating, she tends to float in and out more sporadically. I think she is communicating this time because her activity was a lot more connected/purposeful before she later had to defend herself for not voting.

In this game, DD has been posting more suspects and was quick to stir up interest over Luvbugz early on... which she failed to follow through on to vote Luvbugz for the lynch. I suspect Luv is her teammate and DD started that to distance them from each other while nothing else was going on yet, intending to switch off as soon as someone else flubbed up or a new suspicion developed elsewhere once the inactive players showed up. That just didn't happen through the first day.

I don't believe for a moment that DD decided not to vote out of indecision. The DD I've seen before would've played her best hunch to vote somewhere else, except she'd already committed herself to vote Luvbugz over anyone else. So she stayed out of the voting completely.

FD cast a late vote to save Luv by taking MC out instead. That was how they resolved the problem to save Luvbugz. FD voted MC with 5 minutes to spare with DD's vote held in reserve in case somebody switched from MC back to Luv. When nobody did, DD didn't vote for Luv (her #1 suspect) because that would've put Luv back in tied with MC with her fate decided by a coin toss. DD didn't vote Noodles or MC because she'd not built up a convincing case against them and it would've been obvious that she was only saving her teammate Luv.

As a vet, DD knew she'd end up taking flack over not voting but she also knows she can talk herself out of a tight spot fairly well. She tried to blow that off at first with her explanation to Ice... which isn't very solid at all. But Ice wasn't buying it... and that's when JL came into this. DD's now having to defend herself more intently. I just don't see it as being very convincing.

Jpappy (mafia) voted Noodles because he knew she wasn't on the scum team. He doesn't strike me as a vote switcher, hoping to distance himself with that vote. And I seriously doubt Ice would've followed Jpap's vote if both Jpap and Ice were mafia.

Kash, really, you are giving me way too much credit. There are folks here in this game that can vouch for that as well, trust me....


My vote is on DD. It will stay on DD. I am not gonna sit here all day and defend myself. If I do get hit or lynched tonight townies and turn up innocent, what are you all gonna do then?? I hope you will take a hard long look at DD, JM, Rich, Ice and Mav. Maybe throw TRS on that list because he usually is a very active player. I have a feeling he is being coached to be quiet. Rich and Mav seem to be just running in and voting when it is convient and then disappearing again. DD tried to pin a pizza joke on me first day as scummy ( classic day one mafia tactics and was called on it by me) but then didn't back it up with a vote. Ice, I think is riding Coler's innocent coat tails. Plus, notice how he retracted his vote on Coler real fast?? That was probably because he knew Coler was the hit target that night. JM seems to be following DD's lead plus there was that whole "joke" about the doc. I dunno if it was a joke or not, but why even joke about it?? JM needs to be looked at a little more.

I would just like to point out that I have gone and done as much bush beating as I can. There are alot of people who are just sitting back and letting others do the work for them. I really want the townies to win this one, so please don't get so easily lead by their distracting techs.
you have it so thought out, bugz... you really are doing well this game. You seem to have really stepped up your game comparing the first mafia game you played in to this one... you have help with this one?


I was on the same team as you last time Mav, so yes I do kinda know your play style (We were mucs) . Coler or Kash would stir the pot and then you would jump in with a vote when it was convient. It does kinda look like you are doing the same.....

What are your thoughts on JM and DD then Mav? How about Ice? How about JL?
What I would like to know, Bugz, is your opinion on JL and Ice...

[Kashta]

I'm comfortable with my two leading suspects.. DD and Luvbugz. My vote could go either way between them, so I'll place the vote now...

I vote to lynch DangerDoll.

That gets this in for the day and I intend to vote Luvbugz tomorrow. (Or vice versa.) My reasons for both stated earlier this morning.

JM1212.. The only remaining question I have is this.... how many mafia games have you played before?

FireDancer was a question for me over her vote to save Luvbugz or not. With this question in mind, it's this post from her that's made that call for me. I've broken up FD's single post into multiple quotes to add comments between the paragraphs. Reading this with the notion these three are mafia teammates, I can see FD defending or being helpfully sympathetic toward both DD and Luvbugz while remaining carefully neutral about the others she names.

Here, FD defends DD:


I hate to admit it, but I can kinda empathize with DDoll not posting. With the votes being so close, it almost seemed like a better idea to let the dice decide who was going home. But, it does seem out of character for her to not vote.

Here, general comments. Then somewhat scolds JM but staying neutral about that too:


I think that it was a good thing that the SK is gone. Thanks for taking out a goon, but it was really a wild shot. What if jpap had been innocent? We would have lost 2 townies. Ouch!

Don't even pretend to askcwho the Dr is! We can't afford to lose them, and asking about is only going to cuase someone to slip up. You should know this jm (and yes, I understand that you said you were only joking, but still).

Here, defends Luvbugz again while explaining herself:


Why am I being linked to Luv? Yes, I "saved" her by voting MC, but it was mostly because I didn't think that the pizza fiasco was a good enough reason to vote her. I wish she would have given the rest of us enough credit to understand her joke, after all, we are playing a pretty intense thinking game, but that was it.

The rest is noncomittal... Mav, Ice, and JL:


Maverick is worrying me with the run in, post something that sounds definitive and then disappearing. I think he is worth watching.

Ice always worries me. I get the urge to lynch him, just to be sure he's really a townie. I'm not totally feeling the mafia vibe, but maybe it'll come. ;)

JL, wth?!?! I am not gonna get on your case too badly, but man! You're usually more on top of your game than this! I know you've caught up and all, but missing day 1 is pretty icky.

[jm1212]

I'm comfortable with my two leading suspects.. DD and Luvbugz. My vote could go either way between them, so I'll place the vote now...

I vote to lynch DangerDoll.

That gets this in for the day and I intend to vote Luvbugz tomorrow. (Or vice versa.) My reasons for both stated earlier this morning.

JM1212.. The only remaining question I have is this.... how many mafia games have you played before?

FireDancer was a question for me over her vote to save Luvbugz or not. With this question in mind, it's this post from her that's made that call for me. I've broken up FD's single post into multiple quotes to add comments between the paragraphs. Reading this with the notion these three are mafia teammates, I can see FD defending or being helpfully sympathetic toward both DD and Luvbugz while remaining carefully neutral about the others she names.

Here, FD defends DD:



Here, general comments. Then somewhat scolds JM but staying neutral about that too:



Here, defends Luvbugz again while explaining herself:



The rest is noncomittal... Mav, Ice, and JL:
1 :D mafia 40 i believe...would've done more but then we had the whole volleyball season...

[ZSandmann]

Through 391

4 DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Nood(320) Dawg(339) Kash(390)
1 JL: DD(276) Jm(338)
3 Luv: Mav(350) Ice(356) Jm(383)
1 Jm: Nood(379)

[Luvbugz]

What I would like to know, Bugz, is your opinion on JL and Ice...

I have suspicions on both. JL I keep flip flopping on. At first, I totally had him on the townie side. Now, I am not so sure, but still trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Reason being: It would be a great mafia tatic to send in a player to stir up a bunch of stuff the second day. Point a bunch of fingers in the wrong direction. Act like they are actually kicking bushes for the mafia, but really trying to stir up the place to make it easier to pick off townies. It what Kash was beautiful at doing in the previous games.

Ice: Came in guns a blazing, but has been hiding in the background kinda since. The whole Coler thing is what is making me REALLY suspicious of Ice. Ice knows Coler's play style much better than the rest of us. He could have easily picked up on that Coler was a townie. The change of his vote from Coler to Noods is what is really waving a big red flag for me. I think he maybe using Coler's innocence. The "look he was innocent and I agreed with him therefore I must be innocent" thing. He would have known Coler was gonna get hit. Maybe that is why he changed his vote so quick? Also, last game Ice was a townie. He did a REALLY good job of beating around the bushes. As mucs, we took him out first thing because it woulda been too hard for us to fight against his logic. Remember the whole Kash pm thing??!? He had that sniffed out in a second! If he doesn't get hit tonight, I think he should really be looked at.

[Kashta]

Looks like these are the votes still to be made:

Agass
Dopehand
FD
Rich
TRS

[rich311k]

As I said before i suspected Bugz all along and i see no reason that I should change that.

I vote to lynch Bugz.

[noodles62]

Wonder if FD will come in and vote at the last minute again?

[Luvbugz]

Also, I forgot to add Ice isn't gunning for you DD. To me that really really kinda seals the deal for me on both of you. If you DD were innocent and Ice was mafia, I would expect him to be all over you for the lack of vote. He said eh looks kinda suspicious and then threw his vote my way. Pretty much tells me you both are probably working on the same team.

[rich311k]

Agass, Dopehand, TRS any of you guys planning on even offering an opinion before night fall? We would all love to hear your thoughts.

[IceH2O]

You know Luv you are the 2nd person to say if I don't get hit tonight I must be mafia. In doing so don't you think the mafia would in turn hit someone else so the town can lynch me instead? Do us all a favor and have your team man up and take me out themselves.

I'm liking my vote. Of the 5 no votes I'd guess only 2 will vote as the other 3 seem distracted.

DD will move to Luv to force a tie, Noodles will move to 1 or the other to put them ahead, then it'll be up to Rich and FD who goes next or make it tie again.

Luv thinks I'm not kicking bushes. As you pointed out the Kash pm from last game I grasped the DD no vote. As the no vote saved you and I had my reservations about you grouping me in with DD on that joke I am voting you. I think you're both scum.


List

DD
Luv

possible

FD- the vote to save Luv and kill MC, as pointed out by Kash the subtle protection of DD and Luv.

Jm- the whole Dr thing

Rich- not liking the accepting of DDs no vote

Kash- not really liking the thought that if I'm not hit I'm mafia, if FD is innocent Kash is mafia or vice versa

[Kashta]

Agass, Dopehand, TRS any of you guys planning on even offering an opinion before night fall? We would all love to hear your thoughts.

And FireDancer.

[Luvbugz]

3rd person Ice. You said it yourself two seconds after the game came back on.

[Luvbugz]

(Which BTW I just think it was a ploy. More of the "I agreed with Coler, so I must be innocent thing)

[johnlarson66]

Wonder if FD will come in and vote at the last minute again?

I was wondering the same thing.

[Luvbugz]

DD: I am at the top of your list as a suspect. Why not throw your vote on me as well?? Why still on JL? All the cool kids are doing it.

[Luvbugz]

JL: since you think that FD and I are a team, why not vote for me???

Noods: Feel free to vote for me. I won't take it personally.

[Dangerdoll]

Also, I forgot to add Ice isn't gunning for you DD. To me that really really kinda seals the deal for me on both of you. If you DD were innocent and Ice was mafia, I would expect him to be all over you for the lack of vote. He said eh looks kinda suspicious and then threw his vote my way. Pretty much tells me you both are probably working on the same team.
really, you guys are giving me way too much credit, I ask again, that you folks talk to your people There's got to be one or two that wouldn't think I could be playing so calculating.


......

DD will move to Luv to force a tie, Noodles will move to 1 or the other to put them ahead, then it'll be up to Rich and FD who goes next or make it tie again......



DD: I am at the top of your list as a suspect. Why not throw your vote on me as well?? Why still on JL? All the cool kids are doing it.
.... I was calculating some really cool off the wall kind of tactics to get everyone to not suspect me anymore and suspect yolou Luv but since you guys insist...
I unvote johnlarson66 and vote to lynch Bugz

[Luvbugz]

DD: besides lil ol lucky me, who is at the tops of your lists and why??

[Luvbugz]

JL??? Noods???

[Luvbugz]

Where are you two??

[Luvbugz]

Kash: Might as well change your vote to me. Wouldn't wanna leave this up to a toss up. You said you were gonna vote for me anyways tomorrow. Why not go ahead and do it tonight???

[johnlarson66]

I see this also. Luvbugz is no longer leaning innocent for me. I do have noods more innocent and think it is strange that FD spoke to save Luvbugz and not noods. There was no reason to even mention Luvbugz. FD's vote was more of a save than a lynch. Maybe this was to win Luvbugz over or protect them.

I am more for getting to the bottom of DD first, then looking into Luvbuz. I think all three of them (DD, FD, and Luvbugz) are somehow connected.


JL: since you think that FD and I are a team, why not vote for me???

Noods: Feel free to vote for me. I won't take it personally.

Luv, I think you, DD and FD are somehow connected. I started the day having you more innocent, but the more you post and the more I read your prior posts the less innocent you seem.

Here is what seems odd to me at the end of day one:

It was a three way tie (you, noods, MC).

FD places a vote and basically states she is saving you.

DD states that you are her top suspect, but fails to vote for you or anyone at all.

Now you come out asking people to vote for you. Which makes no sense at all.

[johnlarson66]

My vote is on DD. It will stay on DD. I am not gonna sit here all day and defend myself. If I do get hit or lynched tonight townies and turn up innocent, what are you all gonna do then?? I hope you will take a hard long look at DD, JM, Rich, Ice and Mav. Maybe throw TRS on that list because he usually is a very active player. I have a feeling he is being coached to be quiet. Rich and Mav seem to be just running in and voting when it is convient and then disappearing again. DD tried to pin a pizza joke on me first day as scummy ( classic day one mafia tactics and was called on it by me) but then didn't back it up with a vote. Ice, I think is riding Coler's innocent coat tails. Plus, notice how he retracted his vote on Coler real fast?? That was probably because he knew Coler was the hit target that night. JM seems to be following DD's lead plus there was that whole "joke" about the doc. I dunno if it was a joke or not, but why even joke about it?? JM needs to be looked at a little more.

I would just like to point out that I have gone and done as much bush beating as I can. There are alot of people who are just sitting back and letting others do the work for them. I really want the townies to win this one, so please don't get so easily lead by their distracting techs.

So why not keep beating the bushes instead of your last wave of posts. Are you now wanting to get lynched instead of DD and JM. Both of them are suspects of most everyone. Why not build some sort of case against them if you are not going to defend yourself?

[Luvbugz]

It makes total sense. I am calling the mafia on their BS. . So why aren't YOU voting for me JL?? You are pointing huge fingers my way... Gonna back it up with a vote??

[johnlarson66]

Luv, I think you need to read my posts. At this point it looks like you are wanting people NOT to vote for DD and vote for you instead.

I want to know what HUGE fingers I am pointing your way?

[johnlarson66]

What mafia are you calling on their BS?

Your list is:

"DD, JM, Rich, Ice and Mav. Maybe throw TRS on that list because he usually is a very active player."

Besides DD, you have not called out any of these players. I also see almost no evidence that you even acknowledge that FD is even playing or that she saved you. Ever wonder why?

Why not got after those you think are mafia?

Your dramatics are disturbing.

[Luvbugz]

JL: You think that DD, FD, and I are all in cohoots. Why not vote for me and see what I turn up as?? Wouldn't that give you a clear pic of DD and FD? I already have the lead in votes. It only makes sense.

[Luvbugz]

It makes total sense here to me JL. I know I am innocent. I have gotten pegged as being on a team with DD and FD. When I get lynched tonight and turn up innocent, maybe then the town will see reason. I am more than willing to take one for the team here.

I also am pretty sure I got set up with the whole FD thing last night. It seems the biggest thing the mafia has been able to stick on me. So, why not call their bluff??

[Luvbugz]

I find your hesitation in voting for me JL kinda weird...

[johnlarson66]

Luv, I think you, DD and FD are somehow connected. I started the day having you more innocent, but the more you post and the more I read your prior posts the less innocent you seem.

Here is what seems odd to me at the end of day one:

It was a three way tie (you, noods, MC).

FD places a vote and basically states she is saving you.

DD states that you are her top suspect, but fails to vote for you or anyone at all.

Now you come out asking people to vote for you. Which makes no sense at all.


JL: You think that DD, FD, and I are all in cohoots. Why not vote for me and see what I turn up as?? Wouldn't that give you a clear pic of DD and FD? I already have the lead in votes. It only makes sense.

Maybe if I quote myself, you will READ what I have wrote instead of what you THINK I wrote. Also read some of the other posts also.

So let's say you are lynched at you turn up as mafia, does that mean that DD and FD are? If you turn up as innocent, does that mean that DD and FD are? What will we learn from your death?

[johnlarson66]

I find your hesitation in voting for me JL kinda weird...

I like my vote on DD.

[noodles62]

boy you all have been busy since i left work! So it seems that my vote is totally useless on JM right now as no one seems to see it like I do. So do I move to DD and tie up or move to Bugz and seal the deal? i hate decisions! wonder where FD will place her vote?

I retract my vote on JM1212 and vote to lynch Dangerdoll

Looks like I am the tying vote.....lets see how this pans out. Should be an interesting and most likely informative nightfall.

[jm1212]

boy you all have been busy since i left work! So it seems that my vote is totally useless on JM right now as no one seems to see it like I do. So do I move to DD and tie up or move to Bugz and seal the deal? i hate decisions! wonder where FD will place her vote?

I retract my vote on JM1212 and vote to lynch Dangerdoll

Looks like I am the tying vote.....lets see how this pans out. Should be an interesting and most likely informative nightfall.
odd that you would put your confidence in her again, for another seemingly random vote.

[noodles62]

odd that you would put your confidence in her again, for another seemingly random vote.


confidence in who?

[Luvbugz]

Why do I get the feeling I am getting set up??? Lemme guess FD or maybe they will switch it up with TRS this time will come in last minute to switch the vote.

[Kashta]

I unvote johnlarson66 and vote to lynch Bugz

Oh no... the "unvote." :rofl:


Kash: Might as well change your vote to me. Wouldn't wanna leave this up to a toss up. You said you were gonna vote for me anyways tomorrow. Why not go ahead and do it tonight???

All in due time, bugz. I've stated my suspicions and where they lie, gave the reasons for them, and specified what my intentions are for my next votes as well.

Why don't you do the same?

If you ARE innocent and pro-town, then leave behind something useful for everyone to consider as you "take one for the team" tonight if you do get lynched at nightfall.


It makes total sense. I am calling the mafia on their BS. . So why aren't YOU voting for me JL?? You are pointing huge fingers my way... Gonna back it up with a vote??


It makes total sense here to me JL. I know I am innocent. I have gotten pegged as being on a team with DD and FD. When I get lynched tonight and turn up innocent, maybe then the town will see reason. I am more than willing to take one for the team here.

I also am pretty sure I got set up with the whole FD thing last night. It seems the biggest thing the mafia has been able to stick on me. So, why not call their bluff??

Who exactly is this mafia you are calling out? The people voting you today? The ones who voted you yesterday? The ones who suspect you but are voting DD so far?

And who set you up with the whole FD thing? The ones who voted you that night? Or maybe.... DD and FD got together and arranged for 3 others to put you into a tie on purpose so FD and DD could pull off such an elaborate (but subtle) rescue?

I'm really confused about who you are trying to implicate as mafia here. And why.

[maverickbr77]

i missed the unvote this could get interesting

[noodles62]

OK! I feel completely lost and confused and I think that is because there are no votes on me! What is wrong with that picture?! LOL

gonna put my list out there - 1 being inno, 10 being scum

Bugz - 6; not trusting but not convinced
Kashta - 5;not sure but something does not feel right
JM1212 - 6; that "doc joke" was really scary, so leaning scum
Dopehand - whatever!
Maverick - 5;not a good feeling here either
TRS - not sure but leaning scum; lack of posting!!!!
Agassizii - 3; leaning innocent but lack of posting makes it hard to tell
Dawg - 4; leaning innocent but has fooled me many times before
Fire - 5; leaning mafia - that last minute vote for the kill and to save bugz is weird!
Ice - 3; seems to be leaning inno, but again, I have been fooled before
Rich - 5; playing middle of the road as usual
JL - 3; kicking (er, beating the hell out of) bushes as usual but leaning inno right now
DD - 7; that non vote just does not sit right with me and she is always on my list, unfortunately I am not always right about her.....

not sure where my vote will go yet. :wall:

My earlier post may explain my current vote. I am suspicious of both DD and Bugz however DD has the lead. I am not thrilled that my vote tied it up, but not distraught over it either. I think we will learn something from either. We still have 3 possible votes before nightfall.

[Luvbugz]

I am trying Kash. I have posted about 5 times, but can't get what I am thinking into words. I would be suspicious of the ones I have called out, but who aren't voting for me. JL, Noods, FD, DD, JM, Rich would be who I would go looking at first. I don't see any good reasons NOT to vote for me right now. JL and Noods seem to be trying to sidestep the whole thing. Don't know why.

[jm1212]

confidence in who?
confidence in FD.

i also find it totally strange that you were set on voting for me, until everyone started voting for LuvBugz. then you quickly switched to DD. you even said yourself...

So do I move to DD and tie up or move to Bugz and seal the deal? i hate decisions! wonder where FD will place her vote?
then you chose to tie up the vote and cause more controversy with the whole "FD deciding vote" thing from yesterday and today. your vote for DD may seem "warranted" from what you said yesterday, but if you really wanted to vote for her you wouldve done so long ago.

[jm1212]

I am trying Kash. I have posted about 5 times, but can't get what I am thinking into words. I would be suspicious of the ones I have called out, but who aren't voting for me. JL, Noods, FD, DD, JM, Rich would be who I would go looking at first. I don't see any good reasons NOT to vote for me right now. JL and Noods seem to be trying to sidestep the whole thing. Don't know why.
so again, everyone is suspicious except for you?

[Luvbugz]

I am starting to feel like the mafia WANT it to come down to a toss up again.

[Dangerdoll]

DD: besides lil ol lucky me, who is at the tops of your lists and why??
how many times do I habe to post who I am suspicious of and my reasons, Bugz? You, JL, Ice, and Noods... reasons have been stated plenty of times... feel free to peruse the thread.

JL: You think that DD, FD, and I are all in cohoots. Why not vote for me and see what I turn up as?? Wouldn't that give you a clear pic of DD and FD? I already have the lead in votes. It only makes sense.?? what?


Oh no... the "unvote." :rofl:



All in due time, bugz. I've stated my suspicions and where they lie, gave the reasons for them, and specified what my intentions are for my next votes as well.

Why don't you do the same?

If you ARE innocent and pro-town, then leave behind something useful for everyone to consider as you "take one for the team" tonight if you do get lynched at nightfall.





Who exactly is this mafia you are calling out? The people voting you today? The ones who voted you yesterday? The ones who suspect you but are voting DD so far?

And who set you up with the whole FD thing? The ones who voted you that night? Or maybe.... DD and FD got together and arranged for 3 others to put you into a tie on purpose so FD and DD could pull off such an elaborate (but subtle) rescue?

I'm really confused about who you are trying to implicate as mafia here. And why.
you lost me at the laugh, Kash... what is so funny?

[Dangerdoll]

I am starting to feel like the mafia WANT it to come down to a toss up again.
the only one making it seem that way, is you Bugz.... you are basically "daring" people to vote for you from where I stand

[noodles62]

confidence in FD.

i also find it totally strange that you were set on voting for me, until everyone started voting for LuvBugz. then you quickly switched to DD. you even said yourself...

then you chose to tie up the vote and cause more controversy with the whole "FD deciding vote" thing from yesterday and today. your vote for DD may seem "warranted" from what you said yesterday, but if you really wanted to vote for her you wouldve done so long ago.


If you would take the time to stop skimming you would see that I did have my vote on DD earlier in the "day". I am still content to vote for you but a lone vote is pretty stupid and does no good what so ever...

as for tying it up, I have already addressed that too. Why does it seem like you and Bugz are worried about DD getting lynched tonight? Seems kind of odd since their is no mafia don with special powers....

[noodles62]

I am trying Kash. I have posted about 5 times, but can't get what I am thinking into words. I would be suspicious of the ones I have called out, but who aren't voting for me. JL, Noods, FD, DD, JM, Rich would be who I would go looking at first. I don't see any good reasons NOT to vote for me right now. JL and Noods seem to be trying to sidestep the whole thing. Don't know why.

This is really odd. why are you begging people to vote for you? Are you trying to save DD fore some reason?
I am not sidestepping at all....see my earlier post as to why I voter DD. Does anyone really READ or is skimming a pre requisite class to playing this game?

[noodles62]

how many times do I habe to post who I am suspicious of and my reasons, Bugz? You, JL, Ice, and Noods... reasons have been stated plenty of times... feel free to peruse the thread.
?? what?


you lost me at the laugh, Kash... what is so funny?


psst, she is laughing at your "choice of words" in your vote change post....;)

[Kashta]

how many times do I habe to post who I am suspicious of and my reasons, Bugz? You, JL, Ice, and Noods... reasons have been stated plenty of times... feel free to peruse the thread.
?? what?


you lost me at the laugh, Kash... what is so funny?

That unvote thing cracked me up. Something TRS did 2 games ago and repeated in the last game. The phrasing may or may not be accepted by the mod since it's not the format specified.

[noodles62]

I am starting to feel like the mafia WANT it to come down to a toss up again.


It often, extremely often, comes down to a tie or toss up at night fall. everone has their own opinion and scattered votes are useless....

[maverickbr77]

ya the TRS unvote was hilarious just to be sure DD it should read like this

I retract my vote on XXXX, and vote to lynch XXX

[Luvbugz]

Can you please change your wording then DD??

[noodles62]

DD how many games have you played, yet you mis worded your "unvote"? :lipssealedsmilie:

[Dopehand]

I vote to lynch DangerDoll

[IceH2O]

Noods you might want to use the word retract in place of unvote.

Jm I like that Noods decided to tie it up. I'd like to see how the next votes fall, though of those remaining I think on FD will place 1.

The only reason I can think of for Luv to be trying to pull votes would be that DD is more experienced than Luv and would help the Mafia team more in the long run.

[IceH2O]

My bad I mean DD, Noods was the last vote I saw and retained while reading.

[rich311k]

I vote to lynch DangerDoll

You need to bold that.

Care to explain why?

[noodles62]

boy you all have been busy since i left work! So it seems that my vote is totally useless on JM right now as no one seems to see it like I do. So do I move to DD and tie up or move to Bugz and seal the deal? i hate decisions! wonder where FD will place her vote?

I retract my vote on JM1212 and vote to lynch Dangerdoll

Looks like I am the tying vote.....lets see how this pans out. Should be an interesting and most likely informative nightfall.


Noods you might want to use the word retract in place of unvote.

Jm I like that Noods decided to tie it up. I'd like to see how the next votes fall, though of those remaining I think on FD will place 1.

The only reason I can think of for Luv to be trying to pull votes would be that DD is more experienced than Luv and would help the Mafia team more in the long run.

Shall i assume you meant to direct this to DD?

[maverickbr77]

dope votes need to be in bold

[rich311k]

This going to be interesting. I will stay on Bugz. I think she is scum.

[noodles62]

I vote to lynch DangerDoll


:omg: It lives! It speaks!....care to enlighten us with your infinite wisdom?

[IceH2O]

Hey Dopey made it to the game.

Dopey did you read the thread or were you told to vote DD?


Either case it needs to be bolded.

[noodles62]

My bad I mean DD, Noods was the last vote I saw and retained while reading.

oops! beat me to it!

[noodles62]

well, as much as I hate to leave; this is really getting fun!; i have to take care of dinner, etc....be back later.

[johnlarson66]

I vote to lynch DangerDoll

Don't edit your post, just post again.

Odd frist post. Welcome to the game.

I don't expect you will be around much. I hope you are mafia... Good Luck.

[Dopehand]

I read the thread, thank you very much. Also, bolded the vote(I apologize, I intended to the first time.). I'm afraid I don't have any infinite wisdom, only wholly finite deductions.

[Dopehand]

I Vote To Lynch Danger Doll. Happy now?

I'll be around as my job and family allow. I've been following the thread. I'm new to the mafia game in forum form.

[IceH2O]

I read the thread, thank you very much. Also, bolded the vote(I apologize, I intended to the first time.). I'm afraid I don't have any infinite wisdom, only wholly finite deductions.


May we ask you for a flow chart aspect of how you came to this infinite decision?

[Dopehand]

As noodles stated previously, there seems to be an undue amount of concern for DD from a particular few. When coupled with previous incongruent accusations and votes from DD, I feel like it's reasonable to deduce that she is far from innocent. However, feel free to change my mind. :)

[rich311k]

Dope do you have opinions about the rest of us?

[IceH2O]

As noodles stated previously, there seems to be an undue amount of concern for DD from a particular few. When coupled with previous incongruent accusations and votes from DD, I feel like it's reasonable to deduce that she is far from innocent. However, feel free to change my mind. :)


No need, she is also a suspect of mine. Just wanted to be sure that having her as a suspect was still viable based on your answer.



So it was

4 DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Nood(320) Dawg(339) Kash(390)
1 JL: DD(276) Jm(338)
3 Luv: Mav(350) Ice(356) Jm(383)
1 Jm: Nood(379)

and now should read ,assuming DD retraction is accepted

6 DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Dawg(339) Kash(390) Noodles Dopey

5 Luv: Mav(350) Ice(356) Jm(383) Rich DD


No votes from

FD
Ag
TRS

[IceH2O]

Dope do you have opinions about the rest of us?


Great question

[Luvbugz]

Noods you might want to use the word retract in place of unvote.

Jm I like that Noods decided to tie it up. I'd like to see how the next votes fall, though of those remaining I think on FD will place 1.

The only reason I can think of for Luv to be trying to pull votes would be that DD is more experienced than Luv and would help the Mafia team more in the long run.

Trying to set me up already for tomorrow??

[Dopehand]

I do indeed. I feel Luvbugz is clearly acting highly suspicious, and so besides Danger Doll I would place her? next on my suspicion list. I don't particularly trust any of the rest of you either, but I'd say I'm feeling Least suspicious of John Larson and Ice. Their posts have been highly consistent, and not protective of any individual in particular in a way that I can recognize. I don't have a strong opinion on Rich or Kashta, but I don't trust Noodles or Jm. With low posters, it's difficult to assess their intentions but with the serial killer out of the way I would generally presume innocence of them.

[Dopehand]

I'm off to work, I'll read up on developments when I return late this evening.

[ZSandmann]

Just for the record I'll count DD's vote change although I ask that everyone please try to stick to format for my sanity.

DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Nood(320) Dawg(339) Kash(390) Nood(421) Dope(442)
JL: DD(276) Jm(338)
Luv: Mav(350) Ice(356) Jm(383) Rich(395) DD(406)
Jm: Nood(379)

[dirtydawg10]

meaning you all have excuses for your absences and promise and claim you will be more available and helpful.... well, all that did was up your post count in the thread a couple times and let everyone know you are aware you havent been so "in the game".... kind of like a subliminal thing easing attention off of you because you had the excuse.... so now where's all the work?

I expect that to be "confused" or misunderstood.



Kash, really, you are giving me way too much credit. There are folks here in this game that can vouch for that as well, trust me....


you have it so thought out, bugz... you really are doing well this game. You seem to have really stepped up your game comparing the first mafia game you played in to this one... you have help with this one?


What I would like to know, Bugz, is your opinion on JL and Ice...

lol...look at DD pointing fingers at people for having an excuse for not being able to play the game on one day. If I go back to past games will there be one where you haven't claimed RL conflicts with the game? You even did it already in this game. I have done the work if you care to read my posts you will easily find it. I reread the entire day 1 posts and commented on my findings. You must have skimmed that.

Since you don't believe me I assume there are others so here's some pics from the race to prove I was out of state Sunday...

That's me with the Heineken.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6845/peeps0415627.jpg

and here's one that shows the event on the sign and Tony Stewart coming down the stairs. If you look up the Lenox Industrial Tools 301 race you will see it took place in Loudon, NH this past Sunday.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2928/tonystewart0427222.jpg

[dirtydawg10]

I forgot to mention why do you think I am trying to boost my post count in one sentence and in the next you accuse me of not posting enough? Kind of confusing.

[dirtydawg10]

1hr till nightfall...where is everyone?

[noodles62]

guys, I have a family picnic to go to today and will be gone from 12-6 (Eastern).... so MC, just so you know, I will be quiet during this time.


meaning you all have excuses for your absences and promise and claim you will be more available and helpful.... well, all that did was up your post count in the thread a couple times and let everyone know you are aware you havent been so "in the game".... kind of like a subliminal thing easing attention off of you because you had the excuse.... so now where's all the work?

I expect that to be "confused" or misunderstood.

Kash, really, you are giving me way too much credit. There are folks here in this game that can vouch for that as well, trust me....

you have it so thought out, bugz... you really are doing well this game. You seem to have really stepped up your game comparing the first mafia game you played in to this one... you have help with this one?

What I would like to know, Bugz, is your opinion on JL and Ice...


Looks like there are more of us that have "excused absences" than you cared to mention DD.....

[noodles62]

1hr till nightfall...where is everyone?

I am here, but gonna hop in the shower real quick.. BRB

[Luvbugz]

I am rereading alot of stuff, but I am still here. I find it funny how I get voted on by Noods the first day, but then when I ask her to go ahead and vote for me again on the second day she doesn't. Good enough for a first day vote, but not a second day vote?? Why?

[dirtydawg10]

I am rereading alot of stuff, but I am still here. I find it funny how I get voted on by Noods the first day, but then when I ask her to go ahead and vote for me again on the second day she doesn't. Good enough for a first day vote, but not a second day vote?? Why?

Most people won't follow direction from someone they don't trust...:popcorn:

[noodles62]

I am rereading alot of stuff, but I am still here. I find it funny how I get voted on by Noods the first day, but then when I ask her to go ahead and vote for me again on the second day she doesn't. Good enough for a first day vote, but not a second day vote?? Why?

I have already explained why my vote is where it is , several times. Try reading again.....You begging for votes is....I cant even think of a good word to describe how strange it is......scummy at the least.

[rich311k]

How many non voters do we still have? 3

[noodles62]

yea, I think 3....FD should be here any time now. :lipssealedsmilie:

[Dangerdoll]

crap... I didn't realize that... sorry... I retracxt my vote on johnlarson66 and vote to lynch LuvBugz

[Dangerdoll]

darnit!!
I retract my vote on johnlarson66 and vote to lynch Luv

[dirtydawg10]

How many non voters do we still have? 3

I think you are right...3.

[Dangerdoll]

crap!!! I retract my vote on johnlarson66 and vote to lynch LuvBugz

[dirtydawg10]

crap... I didn't realize that... sorry... I retracxt my vote on johnlarson66 and vote to lynch LuvBugz


darnit!!
I retract my vote on johnlarson66 and vote to lynch Luv

Your vote was on luv from post 406 according to Z.

[noodles62]

You kill me DD! LOL ;)

[FireDancer7905]

Skimming to catch up. Will vote asap.

[noodles62]

:lipssealedsmilie: lipssealedsmilie: :rofl: :lipssealedsmilie:

[noodles62]

Crap! messed up 1 smilie.

[Luvbugz]

Really this is getting stupid.

[dirtydawg10]

:rofl: @ FD

[FireDancer7905]

Well, stupid though you may feel it to be, a late vote is better than no vote. I think DDoll might be mafia, I don't think that LBug is and no matter how I vote now it looks scummy. That being said,

I vote to lynch Kashta.

[noodles62]

Sorry! I could not help myself. sarcasm runs in my family....:o....

[jm1212]

Well, stupid though you may feel it to be, a late vote is better than no vote. I think DDoll might be mafia, I don't think that LBug is and no matter how I vote now it looks scummy. That being said,

I vote to lynch Kashta.
any reasoning behind this?

[FireDancer7905]

She spent way more time making a case against me, DDoll and Lbug than could possibly hold water. It looks good, keeps the heat where she wants it and names enough people to keep suspicion from her for a couple days while the list is lynched. I'm not involved enough to be in such a conspiracy. Sorry.

[dirtydawg10]

I don't think it's stupid. I thought it was funny as heck that you were admitting to skimming...:)

[Kashta]

Well, stupid though you may feel it to be, a late vote is better than no vote. I think DDoll might be mafia, I don't think that LBug is and no matter how I vote now it looks scummy. That being said,

I vote to lynch Kashta.


any reasoning behind this?


She spent way more time making a case against me, DDoll and Lbug than could possibly hold water. It looks good, keeps the heat where she wants it and names enough people to keep suspicion from her for a couple days while the list is lynched. I'm not involved enough to be in such a conspiracy. Sorry.

That's quite interesting, FD... you actually believe DD is mafia but you don't vote DD because you're afraid it would make you look scummy?

So tell me how does an OMGUSSY vote against me for naming you as my 3rd suspect for mafia you any less scummy?

[IceH2O]

Well, stupid though you may feel it to be, a late vote is better than no vote. I think DDoll might be mafia, I don't think that LBug is and no matter how I vote now it looks scummy. That being said,

I vote to lynch Kashta.


Its 6-5 DD in the lead

You think DD is mafia but you throw a lone vote on Kash?

Dawg....A Jr fan? Remind me to vote for you later ok?

[Dangerdoll]

DD how many games have you played, yet you mis worded your "unvote"? :lipssealedsmilie:
I know...I've been in very many but I don't recall many a game where I have ever retracted my votes in the recent past so because I was at work, I didn't have the luxury of spending a lot of time and failed to go back to read how the correct format should be and if it was explained in the rules... got a lawyer?

You need to bold that.

Care to explain why?


I vote to lynch DangerDoll
ummm... post was edited a major no no... especially from someone who I would think pays extra attention to detail... and I get that gist from this following post...


As noodles stated previously, there seems to be an undue amount of concern for DD from a particular few. When coupled with previous incongruent accusations and votes from DD, I feel like it's reasonable to deduce that she is far from innocent. However, feel free to change my mind. :) I almost got lost in this comment... it's not often we have someone as verbally high level as this... however, I will say, I don't see any reason explained herein... not any that satisfy me anyway, being new to the game and all.... Afraid of recanting your opinion and would rather tie it up in big words I guess... soemthing to watch after I am gone, folks


lol...look at DD pointing fingers at people for having an excuse for not being able to play the game on one day. If I go back to past games will there be one where you haven't claimed RL conflicts with the game? You even did it already in this game. I have done the work if you care to read my posts you will easily find it. I reread the entire day 1 posts and commented on my findings. You must have skimmed that.

Since you don't believe me I assume there are others so here's some pics from the race to prove I was out of state Sunday...

That's me with the Heineken.

and here's one that shows the event on the sign and Tony Stewart coming down the stairs. If you look up the Lenox Industrial Tools 301 race you will see it took place in Loudon, NH this past Sunday.

Please Dawg, we are not in any other game, we are here and now... besides, I don't need any proof of where you were as these pics can come from anytime. What I was saying is that there are quite a few folks out here saying I have been beusy doing such and such but I promise, I'll be here more often and posting from here on out... you included. I never asked for proof of where you were...

I forgot to mention why do you think I am trying to boost my post count in one sentence and in the next you accuse me of not posting enough? Kind of confusing.
I was not faulting you for low posting in the game or trying to boost your count. In the earlier part of the game, you were not posting a lot. And then you post a promise that you will... I never said you are at fault for not posting or whatever, just that there is a pattern of folks saying sorry I wasnt here before, but I am now blah blah blah...

Your vote was on luv from post 406 according to Z.
I see that, thanks....
I was reading Noods post on my phone when I saw what I needed to do as far as retracting my vote, reading from the phone can be a challenge because the text is so small.... so I immediately went to the PC and changed my vote correctly and then went back and read the goings on from when I left work until I got here to post....

what's the magnification on the microscope you're using?

[Kashta]

Correction to read: So tell me how does an OMGUSSY vote against me for naming you as my 3rd suspect for mafia make you any less scummy?

[IceH2O]

That's quite interesting, FD... you actually believe DD is mafia but you don't vote DD because you're afraid it would make you look scummy?

So tell me how does an OMGUSSY vote against me for naming you as my 3rd suspect for mafia you any less scummy?


Eh, could be distancing. You're pretty high on everyones list also.

[FireDancer7905]

That's quite interesting, FD... you actually believe DD is mafia but you don't vote DD because you're afraid it would make you look scummy?

So tell me how does an OMGUSSY vote against me for naming you as my 3rd suspect for mafia you any less scummy?

I've always thought that an OMGUS label was reserved for an actual vote. Anyway, it doesn't make me look any less scummy. ANY vote from me at this point looks gross. DD might be mafia. Notice the "might." I think that you are. Hence the vote.

[Dangerdoll]

You kill me DD! LOL ;)
hehehe, I know, I can't even believe I did that


Really this is getting stupid.
not sure what is getting stupid Luv... is it because you are not getting voted out? wow...suddenly I am feeling popular...


Sorry! I could not help myself. sarcasm runs in my family....:o....
g/o
that's why I love ya, Noods :)
g/o

[dirtydawg10]

Its 6-5 DD in the lead

You think DD is mafia but you throw a lone vote on Kash?

Dawg....A Jr fan? Remind me to vote for you later ok?

What are you a Gordo fan...;) "Rainbow Warrier"



I know...I've been in very many but I don't recall many a game where I have ever retracted my votes in the recent past so because I was at work, I didn't have the luxury of spending a lot of time and failed to go back to read how the correct format should be and if it was explained in the rules... got a lawyer?



ummm... post was edited a major no no... especially from someone who I would think pays extra attention to detail... and I get that gist from this following post...

I almost got lost in this comment... it's not often we have someone as verbally high level as this... however, I will say, I don't see any reason explained herein... not any that satisfy me anyway, being new to the game and all.... Afraid of recanting your opinion and would rather tie it up in big words I guess... soemthing to watch after I am gone, folks


Please Dawg, we are not in any other game, we are here and now... besides, I don't need any proof of where you were as these pics can come from anytime. What I was saying is that there are quite a few folks out here saying I have been beusy doing such and such but I promise, I'll be here more often and posting from here on out... you included. I never asked for proof of where you were...

I was not faulting you for low posting in the game or trying to boost your count. In the earlier part of the game, you were not posting a lot. And then you post a promise that you will... I never said you are at fault for not posting or whatever, just that there is a pattern of folks saying sorry I wasnt here before, but I am now blah blah blah...

I see that, thanks....
I was reading Noods post on my phone when I saw what I needed to do as far as retracting my vote, reading from the phone can be a challenge because the text is so small.... so I immediately went to the PC and changed my vote correctly and then went back and read the goings on from when I left work until I got here to post....

what's the magnification on the microscope you're using?

The pics can't come from any time...but think what you want. No need for any magnification to see you are scummy. I guess a majority agrees with that as well.

[IceH2O]

What are you a Gordo fan...;) "Rainbow Warrier"








Tony Stewart.

[noodles62]

g/o I prefer the Busch brothers myself....Looks like you had fun Dawg. too bad it got rained out... g/o