Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

[noodles62]

Tony Stewart.\\

Tony's good. love his attitude!

[Dangerdoll]

What are you a Gordo fan...;) "Rainbow Warrier"

The pics can't come from any time...but think what you want. No need for any magnification to see you are scummy. I guess a majority agrees with that as well.
to me they can...

I just want to say for everyone, stop focusing on single things and try to broaden your views... this not voting thing took out precious time for what could have been spent well looking for mafia.... instead of focusing on one incident and killing off a townie... try looking at several people and then coming to a good decision... this one went bad,... but I got hopes for next night call...

[ZSandmann]

NIGHT FALLS

[Dangerdoll]

hopes meaning that the good citizens will win this

[dirtydawg10]

Tony Stewart.
I like Tony too. He's having a great year.


g/o I prefer the Busch brothers myself....Looks like you had fun Dawg. too bad it got rained out... g/o
Yeah the rain stunk but we only missed 28 laps at the end of the race so it could have been worse.

[ZSandmann]

The Lynch

Slightly fewer Townies gather at Bala to try and decide who the garlic-breathed Mafia are among them. There has been much finger pointing and deliberating today, and two suspects were raised above all others. Luvbugz and DangerDoll are directed to the call of "Ladies First!" and placed in front of Bala. A scale has been balanced from his upturned fin. Luv and DD are each seated on opposing sides of the scales. There is much swaying as one rises and the other falls. From the back of the crowd a single pebble flies in and lands in DD's lap. You never ask a lady her age or weight they say but the scales of justice are tipped. DD is quickly dispatched as Luv runs back into the crowd.....

[ZSandmann]

DangerDoll is dead. She was a Citizen.

[ZSandmann]

The Hit

Some people in ACville root for Jr. some for Stewart. Some root for the Mafia. The Mob silently slips away from the Townies, who are busy scratching their heads over poor DD, and contemplating the Monty Python references. They find a loner sleeping on the curb, seems there was a bit of drinkin' and racin' and he is whooped. A 1/24 scale diecast NASCAR is easily fitted in a person's mouth if they aren't expecting it. The poor chap falls over gasping but he will get no help from the crowd masking his struggle for breath...

[ZSandmann]

DirtyDawg is dead. He was a Citizen.

--GAME ON--

Night 3 will be Thursday at 8PM CST.

[Dangerdoll]

http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/muede/o055.gif

[noodles62]

:swear: Sorry DD. Now why was Bugs begging us to take her and not DD? Obviously DD was innocent but would Bugs have known that? Unlikely.

[Kashta]

I vote to lynch IceH20.

[dirtydawg10]

:footinmouth:

[Luvbugz]

Or I figured out that someone was putting us up against each other.... I need to go back and reread, but right now I am looking at JL because he started the whole DD thing. I am gonna relook at Kash because FD brought up a good point. Ice still hasn't come off my list. Noods you still never gave me a good reason why you didn't vote for me.

[Luvbugz]

I would have rather have had DD in the game than myself. She is better at this than I am.

[IceH2O]

:swear: Sorry DD. Now why was Bugs begging us to take her and not DD? Obviously DD was innocent but would Bugs have known that? Unlikely.


She didn't think DD was innocent because she voted DD.

I don't know why she was begging for votes though.




I vote to lynch IceH20.

Why?



I thought for sure JL or myself would be hit.

Don't think I won't OMGUS vote you Kash. You've been a suspect of mine so its not out of the question that I'd vote you after looking back over the thread.

[johnlarson66]

It was the out of character OMGUS vote for me that had me thinking DD was mafia. I still don't understand why she had Luv as a suspect and didn't vote.

I think if DD could have brought more to the table, she could have saved herself.

There are a couple of things that have me concerned, the drive by vote by Dope and FD's lone vote fo Kash (why bother). I also don't like how Dope put me and Ice together. I will find that post and quote it.

The hit on Dawg was unsuspected.

I expect to be blamed for DD's death, I was the first vote and pretty firm. My other suspects are JM, FD, & Kash. Dope has peaked my interest and Luv is kinda freaking me out.

Not a good nightfall at all.

[IceH2O]

What are the possibilities that FD saved Noodles. She was the one not mentioned of the 3 up for vote day 1. She didn't vote for either of the 2 up tonight instead placing a safe vote.

For now I vote to lynch Fire

[jm1212]

I vote to lynch LuvBugz

[rich311k]

I have to think this over. Bugz begging for votes was strange but not mafia like. Why would a mafia do that.

Jm is of great interest to me now. I need to review his posts about DD.

[jm1212]

I vote to lynch IceH20.
what is your reasoning behind this?

[johnlarson66]

Dopehand's contribution -
I vote to lynch DangerDoll


I read the thread, thank you very much. Also, bolded the vote(I apologize, I intended to the first time.). I'm afraid I don't have any infinite wisdom, only wholly finite deductions.


I Vote To Lynch Danger Doll. Happy now?

I'll be around as my job and family allow. I've been following the thread. I'm new to the mafia game in forum form.


As noodles stated previously, there seems to be an undue amount of concern for DD from a particular few. When coupled with previous incongruent accusations and votes from DD, I feel like it's reasonable to deduce that she is far from innocent. However, feel free to change my mind. :)


I do indeed. I feel Luvbugz is clearly acting highly suspicious, and so besides Danger Doll I would place her? next on my suspicion list. I don't particularly trust any of the rest of you either, but I'd say I'm feeling Least suspicious of John Larson and Ice. Their posts have been highly consistent, and not protective of any individual in particular in a way that I can recognize. I don't have a strong opinion on Rich or Kashta, but I don't trust Noodles or Jm. With low posters, it's difficult to assess their intentions but with the serial killer out of the way I would generally presume innocence of them.


I'm off to work, I'll read up on developments when I return late this evening.

The bold part has me bothered. Ice and I should be the most suspicious and the more that Ice and I are on the same page, the more I worry. I am fairly sure Ice didn't vote for DD, but had her as a suspect.

I don't like what Kash and Luv have said about if Ice is not hit then he must be mafia. I could also see Ice being mafia WITH Kash and this be part of some plan. I will keep an eye on Ice, but so far we seem to be on the same track.

I don't like this Dopeland. It would have been better to wait until after nightfall before voting. They seem to be very clued into the game for a noob.

I vote to lynch Dopeland

This is subject to change, but this player has some explaining to do.

[johnlarson66]

I would have rather have had DD in the game than myself. She is better at this than I am.

You voted for DD, you could have retracted or even voted for yourself.

I think your drama was a bunch of BS, but I think there are bigger fish to fry.

[Kashta]

Why?



I thought for sure JL or myself would be hit.

Don't think I won't OMGUS vote you Kash. You've been a suspect of mine so its not out of the question that I'd vote you after looking back over the thread.

Ice, everything I was counting on to be accurate and reasonable has just been proved wrong. Tonight has been a total disaster. And there's nothing I can do to change that. While I do all I can to read through everything looking for clues and evaluating strategy from every angle I can think of, there's obviously a lot going on that I miss. It's still easy enough for me to be mislead or for me to just misread things all by myself. But one thing is certain...

There is no way under the sun that ANY mafia team in this game would hit both Coler and then DirtyDawg while still leaving you active and alive to continue playing... UNLESS you had a chair at that mafia table.

[jm1212]

Ice, everything I was counting on to be accurate and reasonable has just been proved wrong. Tonight has been a total disaster. And there's nothing I can do to change that. While I do all I can to read through everything looking for clues and evaluating strategy from every angle I can think of, there's obviously a lot going on that I miss. It's still easy enough for me to be mislead or for me to just misread things all by myself. But one thing is certain...

There is no way under the sun that ANY mafia team in this game would hit both Coler and then DirtyDawg while still leaving you active and alive to continue playing... UNLESS you had a chair at that mafia table.
this is a very valid point...all three are veterans. but then again, only two night have gone by

[johnlarson66]

Also, if I am still alive this weekend, I will be AFK Friday, Saturday, Sunday. My wife has made plans for us to go out of town.

I didn't know about this when I signed up.

[rich311k]

I vote to lynch LuvBugz

Why so quick? What makes you so sure?

I have been on her for two days but now I do not know. That begging thing was just plan strange not scummy, as far as I can see.

Dope did come through like a whirl wind. Either he is someone to watch or just went with consensus as a new player not sure what to do.

I guess AG is not playing.

Ice and JL seems to be hard at work trying to save the town.

Kashta makes me nervous.

FD has not much to say and that late pointless vote was kind of strange, almost as if she didn't want to get involved just like DD on night one.

[johnlarson66]

Why so quick? What makes you so sure?

I have been on her for two days but now I do not know. That begging thing was just plan strange not scummy, as far as I can see.

Dope did come through like a whirl wind. Either he is someone to watch or just went with consensus as a new player not sure what to do.

I guess AG is not playing.

Ice and JL seems to be hard at work trying to save the town.

Kashta makes me nervous.

FD has not much to say and that late pointless vote was kind of strange, almost as if she didn't want to get involved just like DD on night one.

rich, looks to me like two things are going on. 1) you are giving Dope a pass and B) teaming me and Ice up (anyone that trust me or Ice without proof of our roles is a fool)

I don't like either one. Really I don't like this whole post.

[johnlarson66]

Add rich to leaning mafia, the kissing up bothers me.

[rich311k]

rich, looks to me like two things are going on. 1) you are giving Dope a pass and B) teaming me and Ice up (anyone that trust me or Ice without proof of our roles is a fool)

I don't like either one. Really I don't like this whole post.

That brings a tear to my eye. :)

I said Dope could be scum, lets see if he shows up again.

I would never trust either of you. You burned me once a few games ago.

[Kashta]

what is your reasoning behind this?

JM.. I was on the communicating mafia team in both the two other games I've played before. So from the beginning, I had to learn how to look at this game from the mafia's viewpoint. I had the benefit of being able to learn a lot while working alongside vets who were extremely well skilled in this game.. primarily Madcrawdad (who played under an alias) and Coler.

I remember Blueiz noticed Ice was following the first game even though he didn't participate in that one. She made a comment back then how glad she was that we (mafia) didn't have to deal with him on the opposing side. Ice really is that good at this.

Then in the game that followed, Coler's very first suggestion to that mafia team was to make Ice our #1 hit. A decision that Coler playfully denied making later on.. lol. That's what the mafia needs to do with their hits is take out the players most likely to spoil their plans.

Coler made reference to that same likelihood himself on the first day in this game... and Ice has admitted as much himself, more than once. Neither of them expected to last very long before being hit by the mafia. Coler was innocent and, sure enough, he was hit the first night. If Ice was also innocent, there's just no way he'd still be here to see Day #3.

[johnlarson66]

That brings a tear to my eye. :)

I said Dope could be scum, lets see if he shows up again.

I would never trust either of you. You burned me once a few games ago.

I missed the part when you said he could be scum.

Here is what I did read - "Dope did come through like a whirl wind. Either he is someone to watch or just went with consensus as a new player not sure what to do."

I am not even sure if a new player could have read that much of the thread.

[rich311k]

i said he could be someone who should be watched, seems plain enough to me.

[Luvbugz]

I am not buying the Ice thing. I think that is EXACTLY what the mafia would want us to think at this point. I think that is probably why they put a hit on Dawgs INSTEAD of Ice. So they could come here claiming Ice must be mafia. Not gonna fall for it. Kash, I know you are smarter than this. I am not buying it and I can't believe you are trying to get all of us to buy it. Starting to look really suspicious in my book.

Dopehand?? Really?? We have major mafia in our mists and you are gonna waste your vote on Dopehand who made a one vote one time?? We don't even have enough to go on other than lack of participation. Does that really scream scumminess?? Maybe, but I think there are bigger fish to fry. I am really starting to not trust you JL.

Please townies go reread up on JM. He has followed Kash from the beginning. I don't trust him either.

[IceH2O]

Ice, everything I was counting on to be accurate and reasonable has just been proved wrong. Tonight has been a total disaster. And there's nothing I can do to change that. While I do all I can to read through everything looking for clues and evaluating strategy from every angle I can think of, there's obviously a lot going on that I miss. It's still easy enough for me to be mislead or for me to just misread things all by myself. But one thing is certain...

There is no way under the sun that ANY mafia team in this game would hit both Coler and then DirtyDawg while still leaving you active and alive to continue playing... UNLESS you had a chair at that mafia table.


JM.. I was on the communicating mafia team in both the two other games I've played before. So from the beginning, I had to learn how to look at this game from the mafia's viewpoint. I had the benefit of being able to learn a lot while working alongside vets who were extremely well skilled in this game.. primarily Madcrawdad (who played under an alias) and Coler.

I remember Blueiz noticed Ice was following the first game even though he didn't participate in that one. She made a comment back then how glad she was that we (mafia) didn't have to deal with him on the opposing side. Ice really is that good at this.

Then in the game that followed, Coler's very first suggestion to that mafia team was to make Ice our #1 hit. A decision that Coler playfully denied making later on.. lol. That's what the mafia needs to do with their hits is take out the players most likely to spoil their plans.

Coler made reference to that same likelihood himself on the first day in this game... and Ice has admitted as much himself, more than once. Neither of them expected to last very long before being hit by the mafia. Coler was innocent and, sure enough, he was hit the first night. If Ice was also innocent, there's just no way he'd still be here to see Day #3.

I'm flattered, really I am. But if you read through enough games I make a target of myself enough that I easily am lynched instead, partly because I am very active and people seem to follow me easily.

I'm not against being lynched if it helps the town. Just make sure you're not a townie voting for me.I'm still going to dig around, I'm not going to waste time defending bad choices.

The posts pushing how good I am at this seems to me to be a scare tactic to the other players to push them into a vote for me.

[Kashta]

I thought for sure JL or myself would be hit.

Don't think I won't OMGUS vote you Kash. You've been a suspect of mine so its not out of the question that I'd vote you after looking back over the thread.

On JL being hit tonight... No Ice, you know much better than that. JL was not going to be hit tonight because the mafia had to submit the name for that hit before nightfall yesterday. The mafia wasn't going to target JL (if he's even innocent) because JL was a no-show the whole day. He didn't start playing until AFTER today's hit had been already been submitted.. there's no way the mafia could have anticipated him showing up when he did out of thin air like that - two (real) days in advance.

As for you coming after me, Ice... yes I fully expect that. I also know that with you gunning for me for two whole days before nightfall comes again that I won't stand a chance. Against you and whoever else sides with you, I won't be able to fight off suspicion well enough to avoid being lynched tomorrow. But that's okay... because the town will see what you're doing. And once you succeed at getting me lynched, they'll also find out that I'm innocent. That alone will be enough to prove to them that I'm right about you as mafia now.

[Luvbugz]

I am also not clearing Ice. He still has acted weird to me.

Ice: Why are you going after Fire instead of Noods??

[IceH2O]

I am not buying the Ice thing. I think that is EXACTLY what the mafia would want us to think at this point. I think that is probably why they put a hit on Dawgs INSTEAD of Ice. So they could come here claiming Ice must be mafia. Not gonna fall for it. Kash, I know you are smarter than this. I am not buying it and I can't believe you are trying to get all of us to buy it. Starting to look really suspicious in my book.

Dopehand?? Really?? We have major mafia in our mists and you are gonna waste your vote on Dopehand who made a one vote one time?? We don't even have enough to go on other than lack of participation. Does that really scream scumminess?? Maybe, but I think there are bigger fish to fry. I am really starting to not trust you JL.

Please townies go reread up on JM. He has followed Kash from the beginning. I don't trust him either.


Really?
Didn't you claim the same thing earlier?

As for Dopey, they might not be a major player in the game but what does it hurt to put pressure via votes on them? Votes aren't cast in stone and can always be changed.

[johnlarson66]

i said he could be someone who should be watched, seems plain enough to me.

EVERYONE should be watched. Who should we not watch?

[Luvbugz]

Yeah I claimed the same thing earlier, but isn't that exactly what I am saying??!? Isn't that EXACTLY what they would want me to think??

[IceH2O]

On JL being hit tonight... No Ice, you know much better than that. JL was not going to be hit tonight because the mafia had to submit the name for that hit before nightfall yesterday. The mafia wasn't going to target JL (if he's even innocent) because JL was a no-show the whole day. He didn't start playing until AFTER today's hit had been already been submitted.. there's no way the mafia could have anticipated him showing up when he did out of thin air like that - two (real) days in advance.



Hits can go in anytime after night fall, they aren't made the day before.


I am also not clearing Ice. He still has acted weird to me.

Ice: Why are you going after Fire instead of Noods??

Still not sure Noods is mafia, the Jpap vote bothers me. Fire with her voting lends more detail to her scumminess. A kill vote then a safe vote feels more scummy.

[rich311k]

EVERYONE should be watched. Who should we not watch?

When I say watched I mean they could be scummy. I look at folks I am not sure of.

[johnlarson66]

I am not buying the Ice thing. I think that is EXACTLY what the mafia would want us to think at this point. I think that is probably why they put a hit on Dawgs INSTEAD of Ice. So they could come here claiming Ice must be mafia. Not gonna fall for it. Kash, I know you are smarter than this. I am not buying it and I can't believe you are trying to get all of us to buy it. Starting to look really suspicious in my book.

Dopehand?? Really?? We have major mafia in our mists and you are gonna waste your vote on Dopehand who made a one vote one time?? We don't even have enough to go on other than lack of participation. Does that really scream scumminess?? Maybe, but I think there are bigger fish to fry. I am really starting to not trust you JL.

Please townies go reread up on JM. He has followed Kash from the beginning. I don't trust him either.

I agree with the reasons for the non-hit on Ice. You at one point reinforced Kash's statement about if Ice is still around.

My vote on Dopehand is good and I want people to talk about Dopeland. I think his actions are scummy. I agree with the bigger fish to fry statement (seems like I read that somewhere). I don't want or need you to trust me.

I see the case for both JM and Kash. The whole doctor thing with JM is hard to forget.

You also stated that you felt you were set up, want to give some details?

[johnlarson66]

When I say watched I mean they could be scummy. I look at folks I am not sure of.

So which folks are you not sure of and which ones are you sure of?

[IceH2O]

:swear: Sorry DD. Now why was Bugs begging us to take her and not DD? Obviously DD was innocent but would Bugs have known that? Unlikely.


Don't want this to get lost in the thread.

I am justified in assuming that you now think Luv is innocent Noodles?

[IceH2O]

Am I justified**

[IceH2O]

I'd like to see votes put out earlier. Gives us time to question them and pick the brains of those that made them. These late votes are killing us.

[johnlarson66]

Really?
Didn't you claim the same thing earlier?

As for Dopey, they might not be a major player in the game but what does it hurt to put pressure via votes on them? Votes aren't cast in stone and can always be changed.

Dopehand's vote was major, it broke the tie.

Ice defending me scares the crap out of me.

[Luvbugz]

Things started to dawn on me about 2 hours before nightfall. The thing that really struck me was DD saying I was playing a good game. Wha??? All the sudden it started to dawn on me. Maybe I have been set up. Maybe I have been made to look like I am on a team with the whole FD thing on purpose. Maybe DD was just and innocent bystander in all of this. She wasn't putting up much of a fight for herself. Course, I couldn't say for sure, but it started me thinking. Who was the first to start throwing the FD and Luv connection? Who took it to the next level of DD, Luv and FD? They probably would have known that DD and I were both innocents. They got everyone to put us up against each other. I know I had been gunning for DD all day and it would have been easy to vote DD off and then turn right to me. Pretty much making nightfall 3 as a probably mafia win. I didn't want the vote to split again and magically get "saved" again by FD. I wanted to everyone to vote for me and screw up their plans. I think that that is why some of you are really fishing for votes right now. I think I threw a wrench in your plans and now you are back to square one. Now the accusations and scum flinging has to start all over.

[IceH2O]

Dopehand's vote was major, it broke the tie.

Ice defending me scares the crap out of me.


Not defending you at all, defending the vote.

[Luvbugz]

My top suspects are Kash, JM, JL, and Ice. Townies need to go back and reread from the beginning. Watch for who follows who, who agrees with who, and who points a finger one way but then votes another. I am not surprised there was a split first day. I think it was intentional. I think it was intentional tonight as well.

[IceH2O]

Things started to dawn on me about 2 hours before nightfall. The thing that really struck me was DD saying I was playing a good game. Wha??? All the sudden it started to dawn on me. Maybe I have been set up. Maybe I have been made to look like I am on a team with the whole FD thing on purpose. Maybe DD was just and innocent bystander in all of this. She wasn't putting up much of a fight for herself. Course, I couldn't say for sure, but it started me thinking. Who was the first to start throwing the FD and Luv connection? Who took it to the next level of DD, Luv and FD? They probably would have known that DD and I were both innocents. They got everyone to put us up against each other. I know I had been gunning for DD all day and it would have been easy to vote DD off and then turn right to me. Pretty much making nightfall 3 as a probably mafia win. I didn't want the vote to split again and magically get "saved" again by FD. I wanted to everyone to vote for me and screw up their plans. I think that that is why some of you are really fishing for votes right now. I think I threw a wrench in your plans and now you are back to square one. Now the accusations and scum flinging has to start all over.

The logic here is flawed. If the entire attempt was to make you 3 look like a team then when DD was found innocent logic dictates you are also innocent. So you wouldn't be voted off. Now if DD was mafia then your situation above would absolutely be something to look at.

[Luvbugz]

Kash and JM are high on my list.

JL and Ice are a little lower, but still not off of my list.

[Luvbugz]

I have to go dig up the post Ice, but you already tried to implement me before the vote was cast. If DD comes up innocent then it musta been yadda yadda.. Lemme go find it.

[johnlarson66]

Some of jm1212 input -

Before nightfall asking someone about their vote -


any reasoning behind this?

Then after nightfall (where we lost two citiznes) this is his first post -


I vote to lynch LuvBugz

Now he gave no reason for his vote, but has the nerve to ask someone about their vote -


what is your reasoning behind this?

Kash, ignores jm1212 request for reasoning but answers Ice -


Ice, everything I was counting on to be accurate and reasonable has just been proved wrong. Tonight has been a total disaster. And there's nothing I can do to change that. While I do all I can to read through everything looking for clues and evaluating strategy from every angle I can think of, there's obviously a lot going on that I miss. It's still easy enough for me to be mislead or for me to just misread things all by myself. But one thing is certain...

There is no way under the sun that ANY mafia team in this game would hit both Coler and then DirtyDawg while still leaving you active and alive to continue playing... UNLESS you had a chair at that mafia table.

jm1212 seems to agree with Kash -


this is a very valid point...all three are veterans. but then again, only two night have gone by

I can't see how jm1212 can't be towards the top of anyones mafia list.

Besides talking about Dopehand I would like to talk about jm1212.

[IceH2O]

Well it doesn't dictate absolute innocent.

You still could be mafia with FD.

Depending on who grouped the 3 together you could have been grouped with DD so when she showed innocent we'd think you were also.

I know I had thoughts of you 3 being together. Not sure if I was the 1st to let that thought be known or not though

[IceH2O]

I have to go dig up the post Ice, but you already tried to implement me before the vote was cast. If DD comes up innocent then it musta been yadda yadda.. Lemme go find it.


I said something to the effect of you trying to pull votes because DD is more valuable to mafia team then you.

[johnlarson66]

Things started to dawn on me about 2 hours before nightfall. The thing that really struck me was DD saying I was playing a good game. Wha??? All the sudden it started to dawn on me. Maybe I have been set up. Maybe I have been made to look like I am on a team with the whole FD thing on purpose. Maybe DD was just and innocent bystander in all of this. She wasn't putting up much of a fight for herself. Course, I couldn't say for sure, but it started me thinking. Who was the first to start throwing the FD and Luv connection? Who took it to the next level of DD, Luv and FD? They probably would have known that DD and I were both innocents. They got everyone to put us up against each other. I know I had been gunning for DD all day and it would have been easy to vote DD off and then turn right to me. Pretty much making nightfall 3 as a probably mafia win. I didn't want the vote to split again and magically get "saved" again by FD. I wanted to everyone to vote for me and screw up their plans. I think that that is why some of you are really fishing for votes right now. I think I threw a wrench in your plans and now you are back to square one. Now the accusations and scum flinging has to start all over.

I stated the Luv, DD and FD connection. I didn't create it, it is (was) there. I do think there might have been some sort of angle there, for what reason I am not sure.

[Luvbugz]

You are right it was JL who was linking DD, me and FD together.

[Luvbugz]

Wow it got quiet all the sudden here...

[johnlarson66]

What is your reasoning for thinking I am mafia Ice? Is it still over the pizza comment? Truly the only reason I said you (Ice) and DD only got it is because no one else referred to the joke directly. Everyone else seemed to just be chiming in with what they liked on their pizzas. I wasn't even sure if Kash got it. Maybe I didn't give everyone else enough credit.

Here is my list:

DD: Didn't vote at all last night, but kept pointing towards me all day yesterday saying she would probably vote for me. I think that DD is mafia. She knew Noods, me , and MC weren't mafia (she couldn't have known MC was the SK) and therefore didn't wanna draw too much attention to herself by making a tie breaking vote. None of them were mafia, so she wasn't gonna lose any buddies, so she didn't care.

Kash: Very quiet this time around. Don't know if that is just because she isn't having to defend herself from the get go or not. Still up in the air.

Rich: Looks like he is defending DD today. Hmmmm.

JM: Hmmmmm...

Noods: Has totally fooled me before. I thought for sure she was mafia my first game, but she was communicating innocent. I don't know what to think, but does seem like she is trying to help the town; more so then some.

Ice: The whole Coler/Ice thing yesterday was weird. Don't know if he is riding Coler's innocent coat tails or is truly trying to help the townies. So far, has been makin some great points and been somewhat helpful.. Dunno..

JL: Doesn't post or vote first day. Comes in outta the blue on the second day, votes DD first thing. Gives what I think is a decent reason for not being on the first day. Up in the air.

TRS: Usually comes in guns a blazin' to every game. Where is he?

Dopehand: ?????

I was reading back looking into the whole DD/FD/Luv connection and found this post.

Now this is not a list of all of the players. As a matter of fact the bottom two had not even posted yet. I think there were 3 all together that hadn't posted. Does anyone else think her bringing up Dopehand at this time was odd? I understand TRS, there is some past playing - but why Dopehand? It would be different if it was a list of all of the players. There are players that signed up that I don't even remember their names.

[Luvbugz]

Now you are gunning for me JL when you wouldn't vote for me when I asked you to earlier?? Wha?? I love how you are lobbying for Ice's vote.

[IceH2O]

Sorry was looking into Jm, So far really only the Dr thing bothers me.


From the quote JL pulled from Luv.

Here she ties herself to MC and Noods saying all 3 innocent and DD mafia. Do we assume Noods is innocent now that we know DD and MC were?

Rich got a defending DD hmmm.... should we assume innocence here also?

I do see the point about naming only 2 of the new players. Why not name Agi and Mav also which are new and pretty new to the game?

[IceH2O]

Now you are gunning for me JL when you wouldn't vote for me when I asked you to earlier?? Wha?? I love how you are lobbying for Ice's vote.


Right now I'm more concerned with FDs voting. With the limited posts its hard to build any case.

You've been a suspect of mine since Day 1, don't think anyone needs to lobby a vote for you from me.

I'm to the point where I need to try and see innocence to narrow the field, just been hard with the voting patterns to do that without lynching mafia yet.

But thats why we need early votes and reasons for those votes. That way we can see a trend of protection or scum moves.

[johnlarson66]

There are a bunch of quotes, this was also in the middle of jm1212 wanting to know who I thought the doctor was.

Here Luv states about DD not voting for her and placed her vote for her and is okay with the excuse from FD (noods was not btw) -


No one more than me is shocked that DD did not vote for me. I waited all night for her vote. I truly did not think I would be here today hence my vote for her.

Where does that put FD then? I dunno. I truly think she is busy with her baby and didn't get to vote until the last second. At least she did vote.

Here I point out the defense of FD -


Hmmm, FD saves you from a coin flip and you defend her.

Was a last second vote better than a no vote? Since it was your rear she was saving, I can't see you having an abjective comment.

What also has me concerned is that FD clearly stated that she did not like the votes on Luvz. If you look at the votes on MC, they are even weaker than the ones on Luvz. Really when is there a real good reason for voting someone on Day One. There was no good reason to save Luvz or lynch MC.

This Luvz and FD connection needs watched.

Here is when I add DD into the mix -


I agree that MC's post and vote switch was just a way of saying good-bye.

The tie was over. When there was a tie, DD and FD both were non-voters who had posted in the thread. DD had a suspect. I am not sure of FD. FD did save Luvz and stated that she was doing so. (no save for noods - but she saved noods also from a coin toss)

Since I was not playing at the time, and I know that MC was the SK, it is hard for me to be too abjective about the votes on MC.

Hindsight is 20/20.

mav makes some points -


I vote to lynch Luvbugz

not only has luv looked scummy to me from near the beginning but i think knowing her role will give us insite into FD and DD voting/nonvoting. I know noods was in the same position as luv was but the fact she had jpaps vote makes me hesitant to vote on her and i don't think she looks a scummy as luv does

Here is where I connect the three -


I see this also. Luvbugz is no longer leaning innocent for me. I do have noods more innocent and think it is strange that FD spoke to save Luvbugz and not noods. There was no reason to even mention Luvbugz. FD's vote was more of a save than a lynch. Maybe this was to win Luvbugz over or protect them.

I am more for getting to the bottom of DD first, then looking into Luvbuz. I think all three of them (DD, FD, and Luvbugz) are somehow connected.

Now we know that DD was innocent and was in a close lynch with Luv. FD comes in and posts a worthless vote for Kash being unwilling to vote for either.

[Luvbugz]

I ask again JL if you think I was mafia from the beginning why not go ahead and vote me out when I asked??

[johnlarson66]

Now you are gunning for me JL when you wouldn't vote for me when I asked you to earlier?? Wha?? I love how you are lobbying for Ice's vote.

Luv, how I am gunning for you?

Seems like I am voting for Dopeland and think jm1212 is a good suspect.

If you want to explain you post, then explain it. Asking questions is not "gunning". Your defensiveness and drama is quite tiring. You are not a noob.

How in the world am I lobbying for Ice's vote. I am fairly sure me voting for someone will be a good enough reason for Ice not voting for them.

[IceH2O]

If I were to take that list and pull off every name as innocent

DD:
MC
Kash:
Rich:
JM:
Noods:
Ice:
JL:
TRS:
Dopehand:


That leaves mafia as

Luv
maverickbr77
Agassizii
FireDancer7905
Jpap who we know was.

Agi as I said was on earlier but decided to not post or vote.

[johnlarson66]

I ask again JL if you think I was mafia from the beginning why not go ahead and vote me out when I asked??

Luv, in the beginning I had you leaning innocent.

Why would I vote for someone when they ask? If you wanted to die so bad, then vote for yourself or quit for that matter.

[IceH2O]

Wonder what happens if we match up Fires list with Luvs. I'll have to see if she even made one yet but she is usually good for one. We know the others haven't.

[Luvbugz]

Townies: I feel like we are getting lead around by certain people. I feel that the whole FD thing is almost a mute point. I feel like that is playing into the whole thing that JL and Kash have been pushing at us from the beginning. It even seems like JL is going down my suspect list and throwing those names out there again to see if I will jump at any. He pulled the whole JM doc thing again. Also, if anyone hasn't noticed both Ice and JL are now pulling out low participators outta their hats for votes. Easy to stick a vote on someone who isn't around much to defend themselves. Why isn't JL looking at Kash? Why isn't Ice looking at Kash? Why isn't JL looking at Ice? Why isn't Ice looking at JL? Seems like they are pointing fingers at everyone but themselves. Thoughts??

[Luvbugz]

I would totally right now lynch myself if it wouldn't hurt the townies. I feel like if I did though I would be handing the game right over to the mafia. I am trying really hard to get a win for the townies this time around. It is about darn time we won.

[johnlarson66]

Here are my first three posts -


I never liked day one anyway!

All in all, from my skimming, it looked like MC put themselves into a three way tie and died from it. I need to soak that in.

From what I have seen, it looks like there are lots of posts, but I am catching up.

Does anyone want to hear my reasons for not posting?

Here I vote for DD with my second post.


Here is DD's first post, the fourth post of the game!



Then some pertty good input, even for day one.







I looked these up, because it was stated that DD didn't vote. I have not seen where she stated she would not be voting. Maybe she did, I am still reading. I read (skimmed) from start to finish and now I am kinda going backwards.

I think DD was plenty active. Her no-vote is strange.

I vote to lynch DangerDoll

Here is where I state I have noods and Luv leaning innocent.


Kash, so if Ice lives, he is mafia and the town should lynch him? Is this the seed you wish to plant?

Did you post before nightfall that if you were mafia you would hit Coler or Ice? Looks to me you waited until after nightfall with this great insight.

Looks to me like you are setting Ice up. There are some good players this round and there are lots of good choices for the mafia to hit. The mafia will want to take out a power role and they will want to keep possible mafia suspects (that aren't mafia) in the game.

I am looking into jpaps posts, but nothing really jumped out as mafia. I wonder is the SK was thinking. Was the SK trying to hit an innocent or a mafia? What side were they on? MC' vote on themselves was odd.

Also, if DD comes up as mafia, I think that would clear noodles and luvbugs. Really, I have them leaning innocent as I would think that the mafia would not let one of their own go into a three way tie on day one.

Man, I have lots of catching up to do!

Want me to find the ones where I had you no longer leaning innocent. I am not even sure if I have ever stated that I had you leaning mafia, just no longer leaning innocent.

[Luvbugz]

I kinda don't know why I am fighting so hard for the town though. No one else seems to care or have any real input.

[IceH2O]

I dislike being a final vote on day 1. That being said, I don't feel quite right about Mostly, and I really don't like the vote on Luv right now. Especially as it is the first vote on.

I vote to lynch MostlyChiclids.


I hate to admit it, but I can kinda empathize with DDoll not posting. With the votes being so close, it almost seemed like a better idea to let the dice decide who was going home. But, it does seem out of character for her to not vote.

I think that it was a good thing that the SK is gone. Thanks for taking out a goon, but it was really a wild shot. What if jpap had been innocent? We would have lost 2 townies. Ouch!

Don't even pretend to askcwho the Dr is! We can't afford to lose them, and asking about is only going to cuase someone to slip up. You should know this jm (and yes, I understand that you said you were only joking, but still).

Why am I being linked to Luv? Yes, I "saved" her by voting MC, but it was mostly because I didn't think that the pizza fiasco was a good enough reason to vote her. I wish she would have given the rest of us enough credit to understand her joke, after all, we are playing a pretty intense thinking game, but that was it.

Maverick is worrying me with the run in, post something that sounds definitive and then disappearing. I think he is worth watching.

Ice always worries me. I get the urge to lynch him, just to be sure he's really a townie. I'm not totally feeling the mafia vibe, but maybe it'll come. ;)

JL, wth?!?! I am not gonna get on your case too badly, but man! You're usually more on top of your game than this! I know you've caught up and all, but missing day 1 is pretty icky.



Well, stupid though you may feel it to be, a late vote is better than no vote. I think DDoll might be mafia, I don't think that LBug is and no matter how I vote now it looks scummy. That being said,

I vote to lynch Kashta.


She spent way more time making a case against me, DDoll and Lbug than could possibly hold water. It looks good, keeps the heat where she wants it and names enough people to keep suspicion from her for a couple days while the list is lynched. I'm not involved enough to be in such a conspiracy. Sorry.


Okay no typical list from her but some names being thrown around.


Comparing with Luvs list you see she has Mav as possible mafia along with Kash. Fire is known to name some mafia within her innocent list. Mav though has voted for Luv.
I can't shake the thought that Fires vote on Kash wasn't a distancing/safe vote though.

[Luvbugz]

If that is true JL then why arent you looking at Kash?? Or Ice??

[IceH2O]

What is your reasoning for thinking I am mafia Ice? Is it still over the pizza comment? Truly the only reason I said you (Ice) and DD only got it is because no one else referred to the joke directly. Everyone else seemed to just be chiming in with what they liked on their pizzas. I wasn't even sure if Kash got it. Maybe I didn't give everyone else enough credit.

Here is my list:

DD: Didn't vote at all last night, but kept pointing towards me all day yesterday saying she would probably vote for me. I think that DD is mafia. She knew Noods, me , and MC weren't mafia (she couldn't have known MC was the SK) and therefore didn't wanna draw too much attention to herself by making a tie breaking vote. None of them were mafia, so she wasn't gonna lose any buddies, so she didn't care.

Kash: Very quiet this time around. Don't know if that is just because she isn't having to defend herself from the get go or not. Still up in the air.

Rich: Looks like he is defending DD today. Hmmmm.

JM: Hmmmmm...

Noods: Has totally fooled me before. I thought for sure she was mafia my first game, but she was communicating innocent. I don't know what to think, but does seem like she is trying to help the town; more so then some.

Ice: The whole Coler/Ice thing yesterday was weird. Don't know if he is riding Coler's innocent coat tails or is truly trying to help the townies. So far, has been makin some great points and been somewhat helpful.. Dunno..

JL: Doesn't post or vote first day. Comes in outta the blue on the second day, votes DD first thing. Gives what I think is a decent reason for not being on the first day. Up in the air.

TRS: Usually comes in guns a blazin' to every game. Where is he?

Dopehand: ?????


If I were to take that list and pull off every name as innocent

DD:
MC
Kash:
Rich:
JM:
Noods:
Ice:
JL:
TRS:
Dopehand:


That leaves mafia as

Luv
maverickbr77
Agassizii
FireDancer7905
Jpap who we know was.

Agi as I said was on earlier but decided to not post or vote.

I'm going to go with this list of possible mafia.


Luv
maverickbr77
Agassizii
FireDancer7905
Kash

Jpap who we know was.

Its more people then I'd think Z would put in. I have to look back but I think Mav was on Luv both days and I don't think mafia would that.

[johnlarson66]

Townies: I feel like we are getting lead around by certain people. I feel that the whole FD thing is almost a mute point. I feel like that is playing into the whole thing that JL and Kash have been pushing at us from the beginning. It even seems like JL is going down my suspect list and throwing those names out there again to see if I will jump at any. He pulled the whole JM doc thing again. Also, if anyone hasn't noticed both Ice and JL are now pulling out low participators outta their hats for votes. Easy to stick a vote on someone who isn't around much to defend themselves. Why isn't JL looking at Kash? Why isn't Ice looking at Kash? Why isn't JL looking at Ice? Why isn't Ice looking at JL? Seems like they are pointing fingers at everyone but themselves. Thoughts??

So FD shouldn't be a suspect or jm1212 or even Dopeland? I had jm1212 as a suspect long before you did, it was me who was kicking him. Did you forget that? I am not trying to get you to jump at anything. I am trying to get people talking.

Now I am on a team with Ice and Kash? Want to explain that?

Can you stop the drama? It is really getting old. You have no thoughts about Dopelands tie breaking vote out of nowhere with no real reason? I think it should be discussed. FD's worthless vote for Kash is something that should be talked about.

You and your drama are getting to be a distraction.

[Luvbugz]

Going off my list now Ice?? What you don't have any thoughts of your own??

[IceH2O]

Day 1 votes





Mostly: Dawg(93) Luv(127) Kashta(156) Agass(161) Fire
Red: --Noodles(100)--
Coler: --Ice(106)--
Noodles: Jpappy(108) Ice(173) Coler(195) Jm(203)
Dopehand: --Mostly(118)--
Luv: Mostly(136) Noodles(154) Rich(191) Mav(202)


Day 2





DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Nood(320) Dawg(339) Kash(390) Nood(421) Dope(442)
JL: DD(276) Jm(338)
Luv: Mav(350) Ice(356) Jm(383) Rich(395) DD(406)
Jm: Nood(379)
Kash - Fire


These are the past 2 days of voting

[IceH2O]

Day 1 votes





Mostly: Dawg(93) Luv(127) Kashta(156) Agass(161) Fire
Red: --Noodles(100)--
Coler: --Ice(106)--
Noodles: Jpappy(108) Ice(173) Coler(195) Jm(203)
Dopehand: --Mostly(118)--
Luv: Mostly(136) Noodles(154) Rich(191) Mav(202)


Day 2





DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Nood(320) Dawg(339) Kash(390) Nood(421) Dope(442)
JL: DD(276) Jm(338)
Luv: Mav(350) Ice(356) Jm(383) Rich(395) DD(406)
Jm: Nood(379)
Kash - Fire


These are the past 2 days of voting

[Luvbugz]

Never said I completely dismissed JM, but you don't seem to want to implement Ice or Kash at all. I find that weird. As for the whole Dopehand thing, I don't know what to think about it. I would rather put a vote on someone that is here and present now not just comes in and runs out. Someone that has purposely led the town astray. You still are avoiding me. You haven't at all said any thoughts on Kash or Ice.

[johnlarson66]

It was the out of character OMGUS vote for me that had me thinking DD was mafia. I still don't understand why she had Luv as a suspect and didn't vote.

I think if DD could have brought more to the table, she could have saved herself.

There are a couple of things that have me concerned, the drive by vote by Dope and FD's lone vote fo Kash (why bother). I also don't like how Dope put me and Ice together. I will find that post and quote it.

The hit on Dawg was unsuspected.

I expect to be blamed for DD's death, I was the first vote and pretty firm. My other suspects are JM, FD, & Kash. Dope has peaked my interest and Luv is kinda freaking me out.

Not a good nightfall at all.

Luv, can you atleast READ my posts!

I have Kash as a suspect. I also don't trust Ice, but until I see him do something that rubs me wrong, he is neutral. I saw a post from dawg about Ice that I want to quote, but I have to find it again, I was doing other quoting.

And yes Luv, you are still freaking me out.

[IceH2O]

Going off my list now Ice?? What you don't have any thoughts of your own??


My list is the opposite of yours lol. I took who you named and determined who I think is on your team from it. Probably not exact but close.

[johnlarson66]

This was a post that dawg had made with lots of quotes, it might be best to go to the OP to see the quotes -


After reading back through here's what I saw...


In the posts below you see JPap wanted the SK killed no matter what. That seems odd to me as I have said before. If the SK was helping the Town why get rid of them?




More who state they want the SK killed...maybe coincidence maybe not.





Is JPap protecting DD or JM here? or both?



IRONY



DD casting suspicion but not casting a vote...



Just thought I'd point this out because it doesn't seem like the usual Ice.


Then here he says he doesn't have a vote tally again...just seems strange.



I really don't like DD's excuse for not voting.





This post from Z should explain your findings Noods...



Right now DD is tops on my suspect list. Kash is up there too as is Ice. However if DD comes up mafia then Ice drops down the list. If she comes up innocent...Ice goes up on my list.

This ending statement is interesting.

[IceH2O]

I'm done for the night. I feel as though enough info has been put out for others to pursue. I'd like to hear from them before passing final judgment.

My list for now I removed Mav for voting Luv 2 days in a row

Luv
Agassizii
FireDancer7905
Kash

Jpap who we know was.

Still think its to many for a mafia team. I think 4 would be the norm.

[IceH2O]

This was a post that dawg had made with lots of quotes, it might be best to go to the OP to see the quotes -



This ending statement is interesting.


How so? I should be near the top of all lists being as great a players as I am according to Kash.

[Luvbugz]

I feel like I am being run around in circles. Since no one else is on helping to make heads or tails of any of this, I think I am gonna head to bed. I would like to hear others thoughts on all this tomorrow.

[Dopehand]

Danger Doll turning up innocent really messed up my hypothesis. It's difficult to see Luvs as a mafia lock as I had assumed previously, in light of the fact it's less likely that they were not (ostensibly) "protecting" one another. I'd like to see further discussion before I cast a precursory vote that could get me in trouble. ;)

[FireDancer7905]

Wow. We really need to come together. lol, I know that I've not been the greatest help, but dagnabbit, we're playing a really poor game. I'm going to try to contribute something worthwhile (though that is an entirely subjective judgment) before the inexplicably (possibly early teething?) babe reawakens...

Immediate concerns go out about Kash and JM, with the wierd Dopehand vote coming a close third. Ice always scares me, as do the Rockin Pandas. They're good.

i believe that my reason for voting Kash is valid. The lateness of it sucked, but it was the same vote I would've made earlier in the day. I think it's crazy to put me in the middle of a plot that involved. I think she's trying to deflect attenion away from herself. Getting DDoll lynched was a good start with LB and I next up, you're safe for a few days. Blech!

I can't shake JM asking about the Dr. It's just begging for someone to trip up and reveal their hand. That's scummy, and I have more faith in the Dr than that.

S**t, she's up. I'll finish this post later.

[noodles62]

OMG there was a lot of posting last night! I have a lot of reading to do before I summarize my thoughts.....(in between my work) :thud:

[rich311k]

Well jl and ice were busy over the evening. I don't trust either of them. They are both experts at this. Be very careful of them. I think at least one of them is scum.

Kashta I see as on the mafia. I think she is being told exactly what to do.

JM has added no real content and the DR thing still nags at me. Her posts just enough to try and make people think he is an active towns person.

Dope's drive by vote is worrisome but he has been around so little I just cant figure him.

Noodles I see as innocent right now. She has been awfully quiet though.

maverick I think is just feeling out the ropes I see nothing worrisome about him yet.

Bugz - the whinning is killing me. Please stop. if you want to get a disscusion going about other players then start one, stop telling us how all alone you are.

FD very odd play. Watch her.

I am not sure about anyone else are they even playing?

[noodles62]

She spent way more time making a case against me, DDoll and Lbug than could possibly hold water. It looks good, keeps the heat where she wants it and names enough people to keep suspicion from her for a couple days while the list is lynched. I'm not involved enough to be in such a conspiracy. Sorry.

While I tend to agree on the issue of involvement, the roles are typically picked at random. When you sign up to play, you do not get to pick which side you are on based on your RL schedule....JMO

[noodles62]

Or I figured out that someone was putting us up against each other.... I need to go back and reread, but right now I am looking at JL because he started the whole DD thing. I am gonna relook at Kash because FD brought up a good point. Ice still hasn't come off my list. Noods you still never gave me a good reason why you didn't vote for me.

Oh for God's sake! I had both you and DD on my list of suspects, DD seemed a bit more scummy due to her actions or lack there of. I had my vote where I thought it should it be. I made a wrong choice, as many of us did. Besides, you screaming to be lynched did/does not sit well with me.
Sorry if you do not agree with my decision, next time I will check with you first. Now can you stop asking me why I voted DD instead of you? Should I vote you today? Is that what you asking for? Get over it and start looking at all the options.

I personally would like to follow DD's advice and not focus on the little things such as "Pizza", but to evaluate everyone and try to come up with the best viable option.

[noodles62]

Don't want this to get lost in the thread.

I am justified in assuming that you now think Luv is innocent Noodles?

Last night I would have ssaid yes, the begging to be lynched is certainly not mafia like especially to save a townie....tho the more she posted after nightfall the more my suspicions surfaced again.....

[Luvbugz]

Well jl and ice were busy over the evening. I don't trust either of them. They are both experts at this. Be very careful of them. I think at least one of them is scum.

Kashta I see as on the mafia. I think she is being told exactly what to do.

JM has added no real content and the DR thing still nags at me. Her posts just enough to try and make people think he is an active towns person.

Dope's drive by vote is worrisome but he has been around so little I just cant figure him.

Noodles I see as innocent right now. She has been awfully quiet though.

maverick I think is just feeling out the ropes I see nothing worrisome about him yet.

Bugz - the whinning is killing me. Please stop. if you want to get a disscusion going about other players then start one, stop telling us how all alone you are.

FD very odd play. Watch her.

I am not sure about anyone else are they even playing?


How can I not whine a little when people who signed up aren't even voting or contributing? The run in and vote then disappear thing really isn't helping flush out mafia. In fact, it is pretty distracting.

I went and reread everything over again from last night. I feel totally like a mouse being played with by two cats. I am not trusting Ice, JL, or Kash.

I agree with the Kash statement. I think JL said awhile ago he felt she was being coached by someone more experienced. I have watched her follow Jpap and then follow JL. The Ice thing is too obvious. She herself even knows that. If she were to go up for lynch tomorrow and turn up mafia, I still don't think that would clear Ice for me.

JM is still on my list.

FD is still on my list. As much as I do believe her little one is taking up her time, her waiting until nightfall two nights in a row is just :P :P :P I think she might very well be mafia and being coached when and where to place votes.

Dopehand: I don't even have enough info to make a judgement here. Likes to use big words I think to confuse people.

[noodles62]

Well, let's see.....

Kashta - very possible mafia
Jm1212- leaning mafia, but all I really have is the doc question and posts not containing much content...
Dopehand - completely distrust the pop in and vote - almost like he was told where to vote....
Mav - not sure
TRS - not sure - not playing?
Agass - not sure - not playing?
FD- possible mafia, absolutely do not like the late votes on both nights and the lone vote on Kash when it obviously did not make a hill of beans. not buying the "not involved enough to be in a plot" excuse
Ice - ???
Rich - middle of the road but leaning mafia ATM
JL - ????

Of Ice and JL, I would venture to guess that one of them is mafia; which one? I have no idea...but I hope I can figure it out!

Today my vote will most likely go to FD or Kashta....with a possibility of Dopehand. Just cause he has not been playing much does not mean he was not given a mafia role.....we need to take out the mafia regardless of their participation level.
It really hurt losing both Dawg and DD in one night. With the mafia getting a hit each night our lynches need to be accurate.

[noodles62]

will check back in later. I have to get payroll done or my staff wont get paid!

[noodles62]

Well, let's see.....

Kashta - very possible mafia
Jm1212- leaning mafia, but all I really have is the doc question and posts not containing much content...
Dopehand - completely distrust the pop in and vote - almost like he was told where to vote....
Mav - not sure
TRS - not sure - not playing?
Agass - not sure - not playing?
FD- possible mafia, absolutely do not like the late votes on both nights and the lone vote on Kash when it obviously did not make a hill of beans. not buying the "not involved enough to be in a plot" excuse
Ice - ???
Rich - middle of the road but leaning mafia ATM
JL - ????

Of Ice and JL, I would venture to guess that one of them is mafia; which one? I have no idea...but I hope I can figure it out!

Today my vote will most likely go to FD or Kashta....with a possibility of Dopehand. Just cause he has not been playing much does not mean he was not given a mafia role.....we need to take out the mafia regardless of their participation level.
It really hurt losing both Dawg and DD in one night. With the mafia getting a hit each night our lynches need to be accurate.


I forgot Bugz on my list......leary but leaning innocent.
There! Now back to work.

[Kashta]

I'll admit that I'm still rattled from what happened last night. And now having just read through a barrage of posts from Ice and JL that filled 5 full pages (wtf is with those two?)... good God, I can hardly think straight anymore after all that.

Anyway.. I'm still trying to sort it all out. So for now, this is where my impressions fall. I'll continue trying to reevaluate things as today goes on. If I notice something that changes, I'll point that out too.

Day 3 votes so far...

Ice - Kashta
Fire - Ice
Luv - JM
Dopehand - JL
Main players...

IceH2O - Mafia without a doubt in my mind.

Johnlarson - Leaning mafia the way he steers the boat so capably, but so far in the wrong direction. Having doubts about so many others, I trusted in his logic/judgement way too much.... beware.

Ice and JL work extremely well with each other to influence the town while appearing to be very separate at the same time. Need to keep watching how well they continue doing this... as I'm not the only one who's noticed it or been influenced by their lead. We are being led in certain ways by both of them and it's worked out badly for the town this far.

Both Ice and JL planted a few lukewarm suspicions my way until they both saw I agreed with them about DD.. also Luv and FD. Then they both backed down and left me alone.... neither of them pursuing me again, until I first suggested Ice might be mafia IF the mafia doesn't take him out of the game. That got a strong reaction from both of them at the time and I've been "highly suspected" by them ever since.

Other comments...

rich311k - Leaning mafia but not sure. Rich has defended Luvbugz twice already since nightfall last night and raised JL's suspicion over Dopehand up a notch... right after Dope pointed at Luvbugz. If Luv is mafia, then she's got a real strong ally in Rich. Rich and JL are also closely aligned. Still need to decide whether that's good or bad.

Luvbugz - Very suspicious, but too flaky to pin her down. She acted a lot like that while innocent in the first game we played. Wasn't bouncing around like this in the next game when she was connected with the mafia team. Her meltdown in this game may be annoying, but it's also the best argument in her favor as not being scum this time around.

FireDancer - Suspicious, and overly certain of herself for someone who's not really playing. Ironically, it's Ice's vote against her now that's the best reason for not suspecting her. Keep an eye on what Ice does in this regard as this could be a passing thing to distance them. DirtyDawg did warn us that if DD turns out innocent... then Ice is most likely mafia. Not ready to lean innocent with FD yet but it's possible. Keep watching this.

Dopehand - very suspicious.. in and out like a flash but yet not playing.

jm1212 - Rookie player still who tries to cover his butt over Dr. question but handled it poorly. Would have benefited a lot from coaching at that time if he'd had that from a mafia team. Hard to believe the Mafia team would be stupid enough to send in one of their own to ask about the Dr. like that. Leaning innocent for the moment for that reason, but he bears watching to see what he does next.

noodles62 - Extremely vocal as always but quite neutral, likely innocent. I don't see anything off at all. She's just very good at this, so it isn't really safe to take her without a grain of salt. Still not getting a read either way.... wish I could tell. Would really be nice to know for sure.

maverickbr77 - So completely neutral.... it's enough to forget he's even here. Mav is extremely good at this as I remember now from the last game.. makes him a little less than innocent than he may appear to be.

The Red Severum - disinterested, most likely innocent again.... He doesn't bother getting into this since nothing involves him this time.

Agassizii - Who the hell knows or even cares at this point.. wait and see. Will get to him later.

[Kashta]

Mod question -- Zsandman, would you answer this so we'll know which is true?

Is the mafia hit placed before nightfall of the previous day, or can they submit their hit whenever they want to?

Related quotes:


On JL being hit tonight... No Ice, you know much better than that. JL was not going to be hit tonight because the mafia had to submit the name for that hit before nightfall yesterday. The mafia wasn't going to target JL (if he's even innocent) because JL was a no-show the whole day. He didn't start playing until AFTER today's hit had been already been submitted.. there's no way the mafia could have anticipated him showing up when he did out of thin air like that - two (real) days in advance.


Hits can go in anytime after night fall, they aren't made the day before.

[jm1212]

I am not buying the Ice thing. I think that is EXACTLY what the mafia would want us to think at this point. I think that is probably why they put a hit on Dawgs INSTEAD of Ice. So they could come here claiming Ice must be mafia. Not gonna fall for it. Kash, I know you are smarter than this. I am not buying it and I can't believe you are trying to get all of us to buy it. Starting to look really suspicious in my book.

Dopehand?? Really?? We have major mafia in our mists and you are gonna waste your vote on Dopehand who made a one vote one time?? We don't even have enough to go on other than lack of participation. Does that really scream scumminess?? Maybe, but I think there are bigger fish to fry. I am really starting to not trust you JL.

Please townies go reread up on JM. He has followed Kash from the beginning. I don't trust him either.
this those post just screams mafia to me. everything about it is just shifty. my vote is staying where it is this time.

[jm1212]

Some of jm1212 input -

Before nightfall asking someone about their vote -



Then after nightfall (where we lost two citiznes) this is his first post -



Now he gave no reason for his vote, but has the nerve to ask someone about their vote -



Kash, ignores jm1212 request for reasoning but answers Ice -



jm1212 seems to agree with Kash -



I can't see how jm1212 can't be towards the top of anyones mafia list.

Besides talking about Dopehand I would like to talk about jm1212.

considering the fact that i voted for her as well yesterday, i didnt think i would have to explain myself again.

[jm1212]

oh and about not posting much since nightfall- sorry about that. i like to sleep more than 3 hours a night.

and about not posting much content- have you not read the thread? obviously not, especially considering people like noodles and LuvBugz just jump on everyone else's train to ride along and say "yeah, yeah! you're right" and agree with whoever last spoke, like the animals of Animal Farm. also, there are people that dont even contribute, "lurkers" or not.

[maverickbr77]

I just read everything since night fall i need to take a while to process then reread i will try to get something together in a couple hours (wow it was busy last night)

[johnlarson66]

How so? I should be near the top of all lists being as great a players as I am according to Kash.

I find it interesting because Dawg is dead.

I am growing more uncomfortable with the references of Ice and I being together. I think we have both been active and have been researching the thread. I wish other players would do that. Stop playing by your hunches and feelings and get some facts. Ice and I might agree on some things (as do I with others), but we also disagree on things (as I do with others).

[Dopehand]

What sort of facts exactly are you referring to?

[noodles62]

Well, I would like to go ahead and place my vote, for discussion sake. I vote to lynch Firedancer. Based on the fact that I do not like the way she swoops in at the last minute to make a vote two nights in a row. Last night's vote is especially concerning to me as it was a "safe vote" that kept her from making a decision about the two players on the chopping block. That vote was worthless and I see it as scummy. I believe and understand that a baby keeps you busy however the game does not take RL into account when roles are decided upon. The excuse "I'm not involved enough to be in such a conspiracy. Sorry." is not gonna work for me....you very well could be mafia as well as one of the MIA players......they all gotta go either way.

[rich311k]

Jl I don't think you and ice are a team, I think you are both quite opposite I just have no feeling who is who. I also think which ever one of you is scum is telling Kashta and maybe mav what to do.

This is my current working theory. I would not be surprised if Jm is some how involveed as well.

I do not really have a clue which one of the two of you is not trust worthy but I am sure of Kashta.

[Kashta]

Well jl and ice were busy over the evening. I don't trust either of them. They are both experts at this. Be very careful of them. I think at least one of them is scum.

Kashta I see as on the mafia. I think she is being told exactly what to do.

JM has added no real content and the DR thing still nags at me. Her posts just enough to try and make people think he is an active towns person.

Dope's drive by vote is worrisome but he has been around so little I just cant figure him.

Noodles I see as innocent right now. She has been awfully quiet though.

maverick I think is just feeling out the ropes I see nothing worrisome about him yet.

Bugz - the whinning is killing me. Please stop. if you want to get a disscusion going about other players then start one, stop telling us how all alone you are.

FD very odd play. Watch her.

I am not sure about anyone else are they even playing?

To clear up this point from both Rich (above) and Luvbugz (below)... I've been on the mafia team twice in a row now before this game. And neither time was I told what to do. You don't need to pin a mafia label on me to decide whether I'm capable of thinking for myself in this game. Granted, I make a lot of mistakes as well, but I take full blame for those too.


How can I not whine a little when people who signed up aren't even voting or contributing? The run in and vote then disappear thing really isn't helping flush out mafia. In fact, it is pretty distracting.

I went and reread everything over again from last night. I feel totally like a mouse being played with by two cats. I am not trusting Ice, JL, or Kash.

I agree with the Kash statement. I think JL said awhile ago he felt she was being coached by someone more experienced. I have watched her follow Jpap and then follow JL. The Ice thing is too obvious. She herself even knows that. If she were to go up for lynch tomorrow and turn up mafia, I still don't think that would clear Ice for me.

JM is still on my list.

FD is still on my list. As much as I do believe her little one is taking up her time, her waiting until nightfall two nights in a row is just :P :P :P I think she might very well be mafia and being coached when and where to place votes.

Dopehand: I don't even have enough info to make a judgement here. Likes to use big words I think to confuse people.

Luv, you make reference to 2 cats there playing you like a mouse. Then go on to list 3 names. Guess you meant to say 3 cats then instead of two, since you didn't go on to differentiate between them.. lol.

Now, where you said if I go up for lynching today and turn up mafia... etc. etc... What would you say if I am lynched and I turn up citizen? For every possibility that you (or we) consider, don't just look at one side and not the other. We all need to think about both sides of every coin.

The thing about this isn't only looking for ways to read people as scum or to even focus solely on what's being said to us. We also need to recognize the truth when we read it from different people, to remember that most of our town is still innocent and not scum, and to keep looking for facts that are being covered up or left out completely.

This is what we've failed to do thus far in the game. First with Luvbugz about that pizza joke and then with DD for not voting at all. Noodles has reminded us already that DD told us not to focus on the little details we find but take an overall view instead. The mafia is working real hard to sway us off their track with all those little details that have gotten in our way.

[johnlarson66]

What sort of facts exactly are you referring to?

Like who said what, who voted for who. What people's roles were.

[The Red Severum]

Just reading up again, can't complain about most people not posting, its pretty awesome. But anyways, after reading, I think noodles is mafia, because of the way she thinks EVERYONE else is mafia. Don't you think there should be some innocents? Or do you want to put the blame on everyone else and not on you. I think kashta is a innocent for first time this game, and I have never been wrong on her. I also think ice knows this, and is why he voted for her, because he wants her out.

[noodles62]

Just reading up again, can't complain about most people not posting, its pretty awesome. But anyways, after reading, I think noodles is mafia, because of the way she thinks EVERYONE else is mafia. Don't you think there should be some innocents? Or do you want to put the blame on everyone else and not on you. I think kashta is a innocent for first time this game, and I have never been wrong on her. I also think ice knows this, and is why he voted for her, because he wants her out.

if you would care to go back and actually read my posts you would see that I do not think EVERYONE is mafia. I believe I named a possible 4-5 which is probly a pretty close number based on the fact that we have only managed to take one mafia out so far.

[rich311k]

I have been thinking on the ice or jl thing. JL missed the first day, he then starts on DD and leads the attack. We all no that she was innocent. he has been pushing people randomly to try and get a bite or two. Right now he seems to be fixed on Dope who has hardly been in at all. I think we know who our mafia mastermind is.

Any opinions on my theory?

[noodles62]

Just reading up again, can't complain about most people not posting, its pretty awesome. But anyways, after reading, I think noodles is mafia, because of the way she thinks EVERYONE else is mafia. Don't you think there should be some innocents? Or do you want to put the blame on everyone else and not on you. I think kashta is a innocent for first time this game, and I have never been wrong on her. I also think ice knows this, and is why he voted for her, because he wants her out.

Well, we could and I think have complained about you not posting. this is the fifth day into the game and what, your second insightful post?

And just how many games have you played that would justify your accurate instincts of kashta's role?

[rich311k]

Sorry about the horrible typing and grammar.

[Kashta]

Also meant to add to my post above the point that mafia players don't take a direct route when going after townies they hope to lynch. What they do is more subtle than that.

For example... imagine now that I'm innocent and after sticking my neck out last night to vote Ice as mafia, see what has Ice done in response? I expected Ice to tear me to pieces after putting myself at risk like that (when I could've kept a low profile instead), but he didn't. Aside from merely including my name on his list of mafia suspects (thus far), Ice spent a good amount of time last night ignoring me and virtually all the other active players in the game. I can see why Ice didn't come after me directly.. why would he do that? It wouldn't make sense. But what he's doing now doesn't make any sense either.

Since last night, Ice has directed his focus exclusively on people who are are much less involved in the game. Surely there's ONE prominent player left who's on the mafia side. We know the role assignments made were done randomly. Are we really expected to believe the mafia's efforts are being orchestrated largely by no-shows, beginners, and a few who don't have time to post much? I'm very sure there's someone else out there who's active and scummy that Ice is deliberately overlooking. If we can figure out who that is... there's a great target for our next lynching.

If I am right about Ice now and he is on the mafia team... then there are a few other things to watch for as this day unfolds. I'm saying all this now because I know it's very likely that I'm on my way out. What I've done has probably caused some trouble with the mafia's game plan... (if Ice is mafia). So look very closely at who comes after me hard... instead of Ice himself. Ice isn't going to do this himself, but you can be sure that someone else associated with him on the mafia team will. Wait to see who that turns out to be and then look for a connection between them.

Also pay attention after nightfall tonight to who does NOT get hit by the mafia. And ask yourselves why.

[IceH2O]

Just reading up again, can't complain about most people not posting, its pretty awesome. But anyways, after reading, I think noodles is mafia, because of the way she thinks EVERYONE else is mafia. Don't you think there should be some innocents? Or do you want to put the blame on everyone else and not on you. I think kashta is a innocent for first time this game, and I have never been wrong on her. I also think ice knows this, and is why he voted for her, because he wants her out.


Thanks for your presence to the game. Now go back and re read the thread because I haven't voted for Kash. I voted for Fire. Kash voted for me.

People need to place votes. Suspicion is nice but we need to get a feel for commitment. Votes can be changed.But to see who you really feel is mafia will help the town determine what is what.

I do agree with JL that just because him and I seem to be the most active isn't a reason to vote us. I know my role, I don't know JLs but I'm hoping since we agree on most things we are both innocent otherwise I'm on the wrong trail.

My vote stays on Fire. Not sure how much we learn from her lynching but I'm pretty sure she is mafia and I'd rather get their numbers down any way possible.

For now I'm sticking to my list of

Luv
Agassizii
FireDancer7905
Kash

Jpap who we know was.

[IceH2O]

Also pay attention after nightfall tonight to who does NOT get hit by the mafia. And ask yourselves why.


Again you're going to pull this?

I don't need to come after you Kash. You do a great job of outing yourself. I try to root out mafia. I try different tactics, some work some make me look scummy. In either case if lynched it leaves a nice trail for the innocents to follow.

You seem nervous that we might have a firm grip on your team and the end is near. I call the look who didn't get hit your Hail Mary pass.

Rich, your idea is possible of course. Wouldn't be the 1st time JL has fooled me but for now I have to believe him and I are on the same team. I don't agree that Dopey is mafia and not so sure on Jm either but I do agree with his suspect list of Kash and Fire.

[johnlarson66]

I have been thinking on the ice or jl thing. JL missed the first day, he then starts on DD and leads the attack. We all no that she was innocent. he has been pushing people randomly to try and get a bite or two. Right now he seems to be fixed on Dope who has hardly been in at all. I think we know who our mafia mastermind is.

Any opinions on my theory?

I think the mafia mastermind is Dopehand. :)

I am not fixed on Dope, but it seems no one wants to even talk about the way he popped in and broke the tie.

That is twice that Luv has been saved.

Can people at least acknowledge that Dope's actions are suspect?

[noodles62]

I think the mafia mastermind is Dopehand. :)

I am not fixed on Dope, but it seems no one wants to even talk about the way he popped in and broke the tie.

That is twice that Luv has been saved.

Can people at least acknowledge that Dope's actions are suspect?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=noodles62;2029443]Well, let's see.....

Kashta - very possible mafia
Jm1212- leaning mafia, but all I really have is the doc question and posts not containing much content...
Dopehand - completely distrust the pop in and vote - almost like he was told where to vote....
Mav - not sure
TRS - not sure - not playing?
Agass - not sure - not playing?
FD- possible mafia, absolutely do not like the late votes on both nights and the lone vote on Kash when it obviously did not make a hill of beans. not buying the "not involved enough to be in a plot" excuse
Ice - ???
Rich - middle of the road but leaning mafia ATM
JL - ????

Of Ice and JL, I would venture to guess that one of them is mafia; which one? I have no idea...but I hope I can figure it out!

Today my vote will most likely go to FD or Kashta....with a possibility of Dopehand. Just cause he has not been playing much does not mean he was not given a mafia role.....we need to take out the mafia regardless of their participation level.
It really hurt losing both Dawg and DD in one night. With the mafia getting a hit each night our lynches need to be accurate.

Note the bolded portions of the two quotes....

What am I, chopped liver? :confused:

[noodles62]

oh, and also not the last paragraph in my quoted post. You are not alone in thinking Dope's 'vote swoop" is fishy.....

[rich311k]

So JL is LUV lucky or are you and the boys looking after her? Is that the idea. I think she just got lucky.

I think dope skimmed real quick and picked the first name he saw more than once in bold. he is not helpful but I don't think scummy.

I have to go look at who kashta voted for. I cant find my notes.

[IceH2O]

I think the mafia mastermind is Dopehand. :)

I am not fixed on Dope, but it seems no one wants to even talk about the way he popped in and broke the tie.

That is twice that Luv has been saved.

Can people at least acknowledge that Dope's actions are suspect?



Note the bolded portions of the two quotes....

What am I, chopped liver? :confused:

:lol:


I think Dopey didn't read as much as they want us to think and just went with the majority of what was being pointed out. Its possible he was protecting Luv but I have my reservations. Most of the day was directed at DD. I have a bigger problem with Fires throw away vote then Dopeys vote.

[IceH2O]

So JL is LUV lucky or are you and the boys looking after her? Is that the idea. I think she just got lucky.

I think dope skimmed real quick and picked the first name he saw more than once in bold. he is not helpful but I don't think scummy.

I have to go look at who kashta voted for. I cant find my notes.


Day 1 votes


Quote:
Originally Posted by ZSandmann http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2026171#post2026171)

Mostly: Dawg(93) Luv(127) Kashta(156) Agass(161) Fire
Red: --Noodles(100)--
Coler: --Ice(106)--
Noodles: Jpappy(108) Ice(173) Coler(195) Jm(203)
Dopehand: --Mostly(118)--
Luv: Mostly(136) Noodles(154) Rich(191) Mav(202)


Day 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZSandmann http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2028745#post2028745)


DD: JL(254) Luv(285) Nood(320) Dawg(339) Kash(390) Nood(421) Dope(442)
JL: DD(276) Jm(338)
Luv: Mav(350) Ice(356) Jm(383) Rich(395) DD(406)
Jm: Nood(379)
Kash - Fire

[noodles62]

[QUOTE=noodles62;2029828]

:lol:


I think Dopey didn't read as much as they want us to think and just went with the majority of what was being pointed out. Its possible he was protecting Luv but I have my reservations. Most of the day was directed at DD. I have a bigger problem with Fires throw away vote then Dopeys vote.

I completely agree (uh-oh!) that is why my vote is on Firedancer right now. Things are getting pretty weird; too many odd things going on.

[noodles62]

[QUOTE=IceH2O;2029839]

I completely agree (uh-oh!) that is why my vote is on Firedancer right now. Things are getting pretty weird; too many odd things going on.


Meaning I agree that FD seems a better supsect right now.

[rich311k]

Thanks Ice. She was on DD. Just like the boss?

[johnlarson66]

I retract my vote for Dopehand and vote to lynch Firedancer.

This will most likely look like Ice and I are on the same team, but I the FD stuff has been bothering me.

[Dopehand]

I think dope skimmed real quick and picked the first name he saw more than once in bold. he is not helpful but I don't think scummy.



I read the thread thoroughly, and came to the same misguided conclusion as the majority. Of course, you're entitled to continue to imply that I did not. No knee-jerk decision was made, just a wrong one.

[rich311k]

I read the thread thoroughly, and came to the same misguided conclusion as the majority. Of course, you're entitled to continue to imply that I did not. No knee-jerk decision was made, just a wrong one.

So what do you think is going on. See any kind of team developing out there?

[The Red Severum]

Noodles, I have played two games in a row with kashta, both time her resulting being mafia scum. I have also played with you two game too, and have never you seen you snap so much when someone pushes out your name.

My bad ice, read that wrong.

The way noodles is acting, I think she is scum. And for the random vote for me first round, what a useless vote.
I vote to lynch noodles

[noodles62]

Noodles, I have played two games in a row with kashta, both time her resulting being mafia scum. I have also played with you two game too, and have never you seen you snap so much when someone pushes out your name.

My bad ice, read that wrong.

The way noodles is acting, I think she is scum. And for the random vote for me first round, what a useless vote.
I vote to lynch noodles

Try reading other games; I am always "mouthy"...but ok, Vote where ever you want. :huh:

[johnlarson66]

I read the thread thoroughly, and came to the same misguided conclusion as the majority. Of course, you're entitled to continue to imply that I did not. No knee-jerk decision was made, just a wrong one.

It was a tie.

Keep on talking, I can unvote.

[maverickbr77]

Ok here is the list

my picks for mafia:
Luv - Has been saved twice now both times with votes that i think are suspicious. I think the rant last night doesn't play expressly either way with me.
FD - one of Luvs saviors and a random vote on Kashta that she defends as being better than a no vote but in the end means the same thing (distancing maybe)
Dope - Luvs other savior comes in to say nothing with a lot of big words hasn’t realy contributed anything helpful with his posts that sound important because of the wording.
Kashta - her reasoning behind Ice being a good hit is very much against some of the ideas she had while we were teamed up as Rebels (bad guys last game) Ice is an obvious good player and a great place for the doctor to put protection which makes him a bad hit. It was a good idea to take a shot at a good player (coler) first day as there were more obvious choices for the hit so the likely hood of the protection being on them was lower.

I don’t really have much either way on:
TRS, Agassizii, Rich

I am thinking noodles is an innocent
Jm is a concern but not enough for me to say he is mafia
Ice and JL I think are trying to help and are town I don’t trust them they are too experienced to trust and if I become convinced my other picks are wrong I would be looking at these two as top suspects

[Dopehand]

I have concern about JL, as well as Kashta. However, these concerns seem inconsistent seeing as I don't really see any sort of cooperation between the two.

Regardless, I'm quite intrigued by the sudden vote for noodles. Care to elaborate at all on your suspicions TRS, or is this based on the behavior from previous games?

[The Red Severum]

Like I said dope, she is very mouthy and if anyone says her name she goes nuts. Now all the sudden she doesn't care, and trying to get the attention of herself.

[noodles62]

Like I said dope, she is very mouthy and if anyone says her name she goes nuts. Now all the sudden she doesn't care, and trying to get the attention of herself.

I never said I dont care - I just dont agree with you..(and have a sarcastic personality)....trust me, I never am able to get the attention off of myself... just me I guess - high maintenance!

[Dopehand]

It was a tie.

Keep on talking, I can unvote.

I'm merely attempting to defend that my vote wasn't a spontaneous action. I understand the suspicion due to my late activity, but it's unfounded.

[ZSandmann]

Mod question -- Zsandman, would you answer this so we'll know which is true?

Is the mafia hit placed before nightfall of the previous day, or can they submit their hit whenever they want to?

The Hit can be placed anytime during the Day leading to the Night the Hit will be made.

Night 1 Hit was placed during Day 1, etc.

[Luvbugz]

I have been thinking on the ice or jl thing. JL missed the first day, he then starts on DD and leads the attack. We all no that she was innocent. he has been pushing people randomly to try and get a bite or two. Right now he seems to be fixed on Dope who has hardly been in at all. I think we know who our mafia mastermind is.

Any opinions on my theory?

This is what I was trying to say last night. He kept coming at me with the but Luv I have always thought you were innocent. blah blah blah Sounding like I should be following what he was spewing. I also wanna point out the fact that he jumped in and with the whole DD thing after Ice and I have already talked about it right after the vote. I took the bait. Obviously Ice was way too smart to. Then Kash shows up and reiterates what JL said and all you know what breaks loose.

Love how outta the blue TRS now shows up. DId your buddies send you in for damage control there TRS. Mav can vouch for me on this. TRS was seen as a liability last game by Kash. She said if he was every on any mafia team that she was on she would put a gag order on him. I find it funny he just shows up now saying that she has to be innocent and he has always been right.

[jm1212]

I never said I dont care - I just dont agree with you..(and have a sarcastic personality)....trust me, I never am able to get the attention off of myself... just me I guess - high maintenance!
it seems to be a reoccurring theme here with you then. i noticed it on the first day, and was wary of you. LuvBugz is exhibiting similar behavior, and for all i know both of you could be in on it. your behavior mirrors one another pretty well; in fact, both of you were hostile towards DD. both of you have been very defensive when confronted or even mentioned since the first day, especially after the while "Pizza" thing and the whole situation with Coler. the only thing that is holding me back on voting for Noodles is the fact that Jpap also voted for her, and he was mafia.

[The Red Severum]

I also think us as a whole mafia or not, should start to look at the inactive, and start to try to get them to post.

[noodles62]

it seems to be a reoccurring theme here with you then. i noticed it on the first day, and was wary of you. LuvBugz is exhibiting similar behavior, and for all i know both of you could be in on it. your behavior mirrors one another pretty well; in fact, both of you were hostile towards DD. both of you have been very defensive when confronted or even mentioned since the first day, especially after the while "Pizza" thing and the whole situation with Coler. the only thing that is holding me back on voting for Noodles is the fact that Jpap also voted for her, and he was mafia.


Not a recurring theme, just who I am and how I play the game....I do not change my "style" based on the role. and as for being "hostile" towards DD, puleeze. a little on the sensitive side, huh?

[The Red Severum]

luvbugs did you read any of my posts? I lost power and couldn't post. Then I was behind on 30 tanks water changes. Way to go, read posts.

[Luvbugz]

Ok here is the list

my picks for mafia:
Luv - Has been saved twice now both times with votes that i think are suspicious. I think the rant last night doesn't play expressly either way with me.
FD - one of Luvs saviors and a random vote on Kashta that she defends as being better than a no vote but in the end means the same thing (distancing maybe)
Dope - Luvs other savior comes in to say nothing with a lot of big words hasn’t realy contributed anything helpful with his posts that sound important because of the wording.
Kashta - her reasoning behind Ice being a good hit is very much against some of the ideas she had while we were teamed up as Rebels (bad guys last game) Ice is an obvious good player and a great place for the doctor to put protection which makes him a bad hit. It was a good idea to take a shot at a good player (coler) first day as there were more obvious choices for the hit so the likely hood of the protection being on them was lower.

I don’t really have much either way on:
TRS, Agassizii, Rich

I am thinking noodles is an innocent
Jm is a concern but not enough for me to say he is mafia
Ice and JL I think are trying to help and are town I don’t trust them they are too experienced to trust and if I become convinced my other picks are wrong I would be looking at these two as top suspects

I don't remeber how it played out exactly last game. Please refresh my memory. I know Ice was taken out first thing because he was seen as a threat. I know there was alot of talk by both Kash and Coler about Ice being protected.

[johnlarson66]

It is odd that Luvbugz defends FD's lack of posting due to RL, but TRS is a suspect for not posting due to RL.

Who are your suspects Luvbugz, seems like you are all over the place and want to blame that on 2 or 3 people leading you around.

I will say this, if the mafia team were me, Ice and Kash - I think we would be distancing ourselves better. For the record, Kash is on my suspect list and I don't trust Ice, but until he does something radical, I have to judge him on how has played this game, not in past games. I can agree with him and not trust him.

[Luvbugz]

The more I think abou the Kash thing the more it just doesn't sit right. She knows as well as anyone that the role assignments are random. Just because Coler was innocent doesn't magically make Ice mafia. Just because Kash has been mafia two times already doesn't magically make her innocent this time.

[jm1212]

The more I think abou the Kash thing the more it just doesn't sit right. She knows as well as anyone that the role assignments are random. Just because Coler was innocent doesn't magically make Ice mafia. Just because Kash has been mafia two times already doesn't magically make her innocent this time.
unless ice knew that Coler was going to be hit...just something to think about.

[Luvbugz]

As a extended bfing mom, I could totally understand and sympathize with FD's troubles. That said, I did say that her last minute voting and such is just :P :P :P and she is on my list of suspects. I have 3 babies myself. One of which is one and fighting off an ear infection. I have still managed to be active in the game even if I am sitting at the computer, holding a screaming baby, and trying to read all at the same time. The last minute swoop ins are just scummy.

JL are you now defending TRS??

[The Red Severum]

Can we get a post count please?
Lubbugs and Noodles are on the top of my list.

[maverickbr77]

I don't remeber how it played out exactly last game. Please refresh my memory. I know Ice was taken out first thing because he was seen as a threat. I know there was alot of talk by both Kash and Coler about Ice being protected.

last time the protections were for lynches but we didn't try to take out the most obvious player as it was likely they were being protected by the other side and would come back against us. we didn't protect the most obvious choice for lynch every time either for much the same reason. why kill someone if it likely they will come back on the other sides team

[johnlarson66]

As a extended bfing mom, I could totally understand and sympathize with FD's troubles. That said, I did say that her last minute voting and such is just :P :P :P and she is on my list of suspects. I have 3 babies myself. One of which is one and fighting off an ear infection. I have still managed to be active in the game even if I am sitting at the computer, holding a screaming baby, and trying to read all at the same time. The last minute swoop ins are just scummy.

JL are you now defending TRS??

I am calling your acts as questionalble. I don't see how I was defending TRS. You have defended FD for her posting, but don't want to give the same benefit to TRS.

I am not defending FD and I am voting to lynch her. If TRS gets up to speed then I will judge him from that, the same with Dopehand. You didn't like the fact that I was after Dopehand, because they weren't a major player, but now you think I am defending TRS?

I am not even sure what TRS has done as far as votes. Why not build some sort of case against TRS unstead of letting others do all the work.

I am calling YOU out on YOUR actions.

[johnlarson66]

Luv,

Who are your suspects? You don't even need to give reasons, just some names...

[Luvbugz]

Kash
FD
JM
Dope
TRS

I am leaning towards either JL or Ice being on that list. But, it could very possibly be Ice, Kash and JL working together. (which would make sense of why I am so confused). The role assignments are random, so anything can happen.

[Luvbugz]

The other no shows I have nothing to go on Agazzi or whatever the name is voted once. I can't really say. Yes, no participation in scummy, but does it make you insta mafia, no.

[Luvbugz]

I am calling your acts as questionalble. I don't see how I was defending TRS. You have defended FD for her posting, but don't want to give the same benefit to TRS.

I am not defending FD and I am voting to lynch her. If TRS gets up to speed then I will judge him from that, the same with Dopehand. You didn't like the fact that I was after Dopehand, because they weren't a major player, but now you think I am defending TRS?

I am not even sure what TRS has done as far as votes. Why not build some sort of case against TRS unstead of letting others do all the work.

I am calling YOU out on YOUR actions.

Not gonna be bullied into to voting for someone just because you have.

[Luvbugz]

I am also not gonna jump aboard a train with JL, Ice, and Noods all sitting on it. While FD looks scummy to me, all three of you voting for her makes me wanna run the other way.

[johnlarson66]

It was the out of character OMGUS vote for me that had me thinking DD was mafia. I still don't understand why she had Luv as a suspect and didn't vote.

I think if DD could have brought more to the table, she could have saved herself.

There are a couple of things that have me concerned, the drive by vote by Dope and FD's lone vote fo Kash (why bother). I also don't like how Dope put me and Ice together. I will find that post and quote it.

The hit on Dawg was unsuspected.

I expect to be blamed for DD's death, I was the first vote and pretty firm. My other suspects are JM, FD, & Kash. Dope has peaked my interest and Luv is kinda freaking me out.

Not a good nightfall at all.

Here is my first post after nightfall.

My suspects are:

JM
FD
Kash

Dope - peaking my interest
Luv - freaking me out

I voted for Dope and then changed to FD.

So Luv then posts this -


Kash
FD
JM
Dope
TRS

I am leaning towards either JL or Ice being on that list. But, it could very possibly be Ice, Kash and JL working together. (which would make sense of why I am so confused). The role assignments are random, so anything can happen.

Just my list, but listed backwards and adding TRS who just joined.

You want to claim you are being led around, but you are just following and passing the blame.

[johnlarson66]

I am also not gonna jump aboard a train with JL, Ice, and Noods all sitting on it. While FD looks scummy to me, all three of you voting for her makes me wanna run the other way.

Besides TRS, who I have not really looked into, I am 100% okay with anyone you vote for on your list.

Why not place a vote now, you can always change it. I am sure their are others that don't trust me, Ice and Noods.

[IceH2O]

unless ice knew that Coler was going to be hit...just something to think about.


Huh?




I read the thread thoroughly, and came to the same misguided conclusion as the majority. Of course, you're entitled to continue to imply that I did not. No knee-jerk decision was made, just a wrong one.

Huh guess I was wrong. Looking forward to more activity from you then.


Can we get a post count please?
Lubbugs and Noodles are on the top of my list.

Can we get a better reasoning for the suspects? If both are mafia then why would Noodles stay on Luv on Day 1 when it was a 3 way tie?
We've determined its possible Jpap got stuck on Luv because the hit froze him but there is no reason for Noods to stay on a team mate.

[IceH2O]

Part of me wants to vote Luv just to see what Fire does again lol.

What if we put Fire Kash and Luv all up for vote and see where the chips fall?

All 3 seem to be on one anothers list.

[maverickbr77]

thought a vote count would be good as i had lost track

Ice: Kashta(512)
FireDancer: Ice(518), Noodles (608), JL(629)
LuvBugz: jm(519)
Dopehand: -JL(522)-
Noodles: TRS(632)

[Luvbugz]

I haven't voted at all.

[Dopehand]

JM voted for you.

[Luvbugz]

It has been a long day. Sorry. I read that backwards.

[johnlarson66]

Part of me wants to vote Luv just to see what Fire does again lol.

What if we put Fire Kash and Luv all up for vote and see where the chips fall?

All 3 seem to be on one anothers list.

I am for lynching FD.

I would be okay with lynching Kash or JM.

The fact that JM wants to lynch Luv wants me to lynch JM first. I am also curious if JM would stay on Luv if it was close.

[maverickbr77]

On JL being hit tonight... No Ice, you know much better than that. JL was not going to be hit tonight because the mafia had to submit the name for that hit before nightfall yesterday. The mafia wasn't going to target JL (if he's even innocent) because JL was a no-show the whole day. He didn't start playing until AFTER today's hit had been already been submitted.. there's no way the mafia could have anticipated him showing up when he did out of thin air like that - two (real) days in advance.


Hits can go in anytime after night fall, they aren't made the day before.


Ice how did you know that? It isnt how it was last game and i don't see it stated in the rules when the hit has to be in. Last game it was as Kashta described.

This is only my second game so it might have been the way Ice described before and he didn't play much of last game but i'd still like clarification on this.

[IceH2O]

Ice how did you know that? It isnt how it was last game and i don't see it stated in the rules when the hit has to be in. Last game it was as Kashta described.

This is only my second game so it might have been the way Ice described before and he didn't play much of last game but i'd still like clarification on this.


Its the normal game play. 99% of them have been that way unless otherwise directed by the Mod.

[maverickbr77]

Ok i'll accept that as long as no one refutes it.

[IceH2O]

I am for lynching FD.

I would be okay with lynching Kash or JM.

The fact that JM wants to lynch Luv wants me to lynch JM first. I am also curious if JM would stay on Luv if it was close.


Its actually a bad idea. It would prove nothing except that we'd have a better chance at getting mafia. Having all 3 up at once gives their team a place to hide.

I'm actually a bit surprised not to be called on it.

[Luvbugz]

Explain this to me really slow because my brain isn't working today. Anytime today the hit can be made for tomorrow right?? Can it even be made tomorrow?? Or is it just a day before thing??

(My daughter came home from her special needs summer school complaining of an ear ache. I just got back from the docs not to long ago. She has a torn eardrum. I don't know how. The docs don't know how. She doesn't have an ear infection, but does have a sinus infection. First we have to clear that up before they know what they wanna do about the ear drum. As usual, mommy is freaking out.)

[maverickbr77]

the hit can be placed anytime up till nightfall of the day that it occurs so a hit for today's nightfall can be placed any time up till nightfalls.

I believe that is correct

[IceH2O]

Explain this to me really slow because my brain isn't working today. Anytime today the hit can be made for tomorrow right?? Can it even be made tomorrow?? Or is it just a day before thing??

(My daughter came home from her special needs summer school complaining of an ear ache. I just got back from the docs not to long ago. She has a torn eardrum. I don't know how. The docs don't know how. She doesn't have an ear infection, but does have a sinus infection. First we have to clear that up before they know what they wanna do about the ear drum. As usual, mommy is freaking out.)


That sucks Luv, maybe she stuck a pencil in her ear?

The hit can be sent in anytime up until nightfall as long as its put in before night fall. It can even be changed last minute.

[The Red Severum]

"quick off subject, she doesn't have a ipod does she? She could have done that with ipod headphones or any put in ear headphones, have done it before, very painful"

[Luvbugz]

"quick off subject, she doesn't have a ipod does she? She could have done that with ipod headphones or any put in ear headphones, have done it before, very painful"

(No, she doesn't have an ipod :) Thanks though, Red. Thanks for the concern Ice. I don't *think* she would to that, but it is possible. Kids do crazy things. ;) )

[Luvbugz]

Well, that pretty much blows Kash's whole theory on to why JL hasn't been hit outta the water. Now the question is would she have known that? Was she thinking it was like last game where the hits did have to be put in first thing? Or did she know better and was trying to purposely lead us astray?

[johnlarson66]

Its actually a bad idea. It would prove nothing except that we'd have a better chance at getting mafia. Having all 3 up at once gives their team a place to hide.

I'm actually a bit surprised not to be called on it.

The idea was put up less than an hour ago.

I don't see having a better chance at getting mafia is a bad idea.

I really am 100% okay with lynching FD, Kash and JM.

I am not sure who you expected to call you on it? Luv?

Luv was for her own lynching to prove something, what I am unsure. From what I can tell she liked your idea before. I think JM is already voting for Luv. I think JM is mafia so I won't be voting Luv (no matter how much she begs me.)

I posted my thoughts and I did not call your idea bad, I did not jump on it either. If you want to vote on Luv, feel free. I don't think it was that bad of an idea.

If the whole town votes FD we learn nothing. I am glad Luv is not following the group on FD and I am curious of who she is going to vote for. The mafia have plenty of places to hide and I don't see how your vote effects that. They can just not vote. If it was a tie between Luv and FD then I think it would be interesting.

[johnlarson66]

g/off

sorry about your daughter, I hope she gets well soon.

g/on

[The Red Severum]

Wait why is everyone on FD?

[maverickbr77]

This is starting to look alot like last game where Kashta caught everyones attention and we kept killing off other people we (the rebels) could find something to point at when the whole time Kashta actually was one of the bad guys.
I realy think we need to know Luvs role

I vote to lunch Luvbugz

Feel free to change my mind

[maverickbr77]

lunch her :wall:

I vote to lynch Luvbugz

[noodles62]

the hit can be placed anytime up till nightfall of the day that it occurs so a hit for today's nightfall can be placed any time up till nightfalls.

I believe that is correct

Hits can be placed anytime after the Mod says "Game on" until he says Pm's due, typically due a an hour or two before nightfall.

[noodles62]

That sucks Luv, maybe she stuck a pencil in her ear?

The hit can be sent in anytime up until nightfall as long as its put in before night fall. It can even be changed last minute.


Ice is right; mine was a bit off.....

g/o Bugz, sorry about your daughter. How old is she? g/o

[Luvbugz]

Ice is right; mine was a bit off.....

g/o Bugz, sorry about your daughter. How old is she? g/o


( She is eight, but at the cognitive level of a 5 - 6 year old right now.)

[noodles62]

she could have stuck something in her ear. poor thing, I am sure it hurts....

[maverickbr77]

g/o you can also pop an eardrum from concussion (slap a cupped hand over the ear) is anyone in her class a slapper I've seen it happen and it takes less force than you would think g/o

[IceH2O]

The idea was put up less than an hour ago.

I don't see having a better chance at getting mafia is a bad idea.

I really am 100% okay with lynching FD, Kash and JM.

I am not sure who you expected to call you on it? Luv?

Luv was for her own lynching to prove something, what I am unsure. From what I can tell she liked your idea before. I think JM is already voting for Luv. I think JM is mafia so I won't be voting Luv (no matter how much she begs me.)

I posted my thoughts and I did not call your idea bad, I did not jump on it either. If you want to vote on Luv, feel free. I don't think it was that bad of an idea.

If the whole town votes FD we learn nothing. I am glad Luv is not following the group on FD and I am curious of who she is going to vote for. The mafia have plenty of places to hide and I don't see how your vote effects that. They can just not vote. If it was a tie between Luv and FD then I think it would be interesting.

I don't think everyone will vote FD. There are a number of players with votes right now thou I wish everyone would cast a vote before we get close to night tomorrow.

I keep forgetting that a vote doesn't have to be placed. Though I think anyone not placing a vote now realizes it will get them lynched.

My vote is staying on FD. We can use whoever is on the table now including myself as bait IMO.



Wait why is everyone on FD?


Seriously? And you have read the thread?
Still waiting on an answer to this question TRS

Can we get a better reasoning for the suspects? If both are mafia then why would Noodles stay on Luv on Day 1 when it was a 3 way tie?
We've determined its possible Jpap got stuck on Luv because the hit froze him but there is no reason for Noods to stay on a team mate.

[Luvbugz]

Part of me wants to vote Luv just to see what Fire does again lol.

What if we put Fire Kash and Luv all up for vote and see where the chips fall?

All 3 seem to be on one anothers list.

My question is this: If we lynch FD and Kash, and they turn up mafia. Where does that leave me? If they turn up innocent, where does that leave me? This sounds like Kash's theory on why we should vote for you. If Coler was innocent, then Ice most def must be mafia! I have already shown the flaws in that thinking. I am not so sure it will show a darn thing.

Mav I am all for voting me out. I have nothing to hide. What are the counts though? When I flip up innocent, and the mafia go ahead and make their hit, how many townies vs. mafia will be left??

I don't wanna leave this to a toss up. I think that is exactly what the mafia have been relying on and have been easily picking us off because of.

[IceH2O]

My question is this: If we lynch FD and Kash, and they turn up mafia. Where does that leave me? If they turn up innocent, where does that leave me? This sounds like Kash's theory on why we should vote for you. If Coler was innocent, then Ice most def must be mafia! I have already shown the flaws in that thinking. I am not so sure it will show a darn thing.

Mav I am all for voting me out. I have nothing to hide. What are the counts though? When I flip up innocent, and the mafia go ahead and make their hit, how many townies vs. mafia will be left??

I don't wanna leave this to a toss up. I think that is exactly what the mafia have been relying on and have been easily picking us off because of.


If FD shows mafia then it strengthens the case against you as she protected you from possible lynch 2 times. If she turns up innocent I have no case against you.

Kash doesn't really help me either way in determining your role.

[Luvbugz]

Question: If I vote to lynch myself does that make me auto dead?

[noodles62]

Question: If I vote to lynch myself does that make me auto dead?

no, but why woudl you want to do this? if you are indeed a townie we need you to help us win. If your heart is really not in the game anymore you can PM Zsand and he will take you out. Again, if you are indeed innocent, which I am inclined to think you are, why would you sacrifice yourself and the town?

[Luvbugz]

no, but why woudl you want to do this? if you are indeed a townie we need you to help us win. If your heart is really not in the game anymore you can PM Zsand and he will take you out. Again, if you are indeed innocent, which I am inclined to think you are, why would you sacrifice yourself and the town?

To show the flaws in JL and Ice's thinking. I am really really getting weirded that they both are now on a Luv/FD train. I would like to see either of them lynched. If JL is innocent, would that make you mafia Ice?? If Ice is mafia, would that make JL innocent?? This is the same crap pulled on us yesterday and it ended in a townie lynch. Who's to say FD isn't really innocent and a victim of bad timing and circumstance? Whose to say that isn't what the mafia is using to their advantage?? Putting two townies up against each other each night and saying whelp one turned up innocent other musta be mafia!

[johnlarson66]

Luv,

How come this is all about you?

If you are innocent, then it would not help the town for you to lynch yourself.

Why note focus on lynching mafia?

So you are afraid of lynching FD and Kash because if they come up mafia you are afraid you will be deemed mafia?

Let's take it one at a time. If FD comes up mafia, it will mean FD was mafia. NOTHING ELSE. If FD comes up innocent, it will mean FD was innocent. NOTHING ELSE.

Now let's look at Kash, if Kash comes up mafia, it will mean Kash was mafia. NOTHING ELSE. If Kash comes up innocent, it will mean Kash was innocent. NOTHING ELSE.

We might have some thoughts and ideas, but they will be just that. Thoughts and ideas! The whole "if this then this" logic is flawed in mafia.

Quit being so dramatic and focused on yourself. Yes, you have been on the hot seat for the last two days. You put yourself there, but you are still here.

There is no way that an innocent lynching themselves helps the town.

[Luvbugz]

I am not in anyway saying FD IS innocent. I am saying the whole idea of setting up one against another to see who flips what is VERY flawed.

[Luvbugz]

JL: Go read what Ice and Mav have posted. Thanks.

[johnlarson66]

To show the flaws in JL and Ice's thinking. I am really really getting weirded that they both are now on a Luv/FD train. I would like to see either of them lynched. If JL is innocent, would that make you mafia Ice?? If Ice is mafia, would that make JL innocent?? This is the same crap pulled on us yesterday and it ended in a townie lynch. Who's to say FD isn't really innocent and a victim of bad timing and circumstance? Whose to say that isn't what the mafia is using to their advantage?? Putting two townies up against each other each night and saying whelp one turned up innocent other musta be mafia!

This not the same as yesterday.

If you are uncomfortable with voting for FD, then don't. If you want to vote for me, then do.

There can be more than two people up for vote. By waiting to vote, you are limiting the canidates. Place a vote and see what happens, you can always change.

[noodles62]

I am not in anyway saying FD IS innocent. I am saying the whole idea of setting up one against another to see who flips what is VERY flawed.

I understand this but that is the way it goes in this game. Nightfalls either come down to a tie, a close call or votes scattered all over the place (rare) which does not good at all. You just have to pick who you think is the most suspicious and place your vote. Quit worrying about all the what ifs. this is a guessing game, and you hope that your vote is right.. if not, oh well. better luck next time.

g/o now calm down mommy. take a deep breathe, maybe have a glass of wine g/o

And then make a "best guess" vote......its just a game.

[IceH2O]

I am not in anyway saying FD IS innocent. I am saying the whole idea of setting up one against another to see who flips what is VERY flawed.


There really isn't any other way to do it Luv. Its not always about ifs its also about whats.

If you leave the game on your own accord and are innocent we learn nothing. You help the town more by being lynched.

You don't think its suspicious that Fire twice had the chance to take you out and didn't? If I was on the block and JL saved me twice by voting out another innocent wouldn't you wonder if he was protecting me?

[Luvbugz]

If I remember correctly JL, you have been ramming the if this person is X then this person must be Y down our throats for a little bit. Started with the DD, Luv, FD. Now that DD is outta the way, it is FD and Luv.

[Luvbugz]

There really isn't any other way to do it Luv. Its not always about ifs its also about whats.

If you leave the game on your own accord and are innocent we learn nothing. You help the town more by being lynched.

You don't think its suspicious that Fire twice had the chance to take you out and didn't? If I was on the block and JL saved me twice by voting out another innocent wouldn't you wonder if he was protecting me?


Oh, I totally see what you are saying Ice and yes, it does look bad. But come on, in my boots would you jump aboard a train with you, Noods, and JL on it??

[johnlarson66]

JL: Go read what Ice and Mav have posted. Thanks.

Why don't you quote them.

I also don't worry about what Ice says he will do or might do, he often says things to get a rise out of someone.

No matter how you look at it 1 + 1 does not equal 3.

[IceH2O]

Luv you think I'm mafia right? Kash has already voted me. Place your vote on me if you trust Kashs judgment. Obviously you don't trust the 3 on Fire right now.

[johnlarson66]

If I remember correctly JL, you have been ramming the if this person is X then this person must be Y down our throats for a little bit. Started with the DD, Luv, FD. Now that DD is outta the way, it is FD and Luv.

I would like to see where you get your information. Maybe quote something.

I think there is a BIG difference in what is being posted and what you read.

[IceH2O]

Oh, I totally see what you are saying Ice and yes, it does look bad. But come on, in my boots would you jump aboard a train with you, Noods, and JL on it??

If I were innocent and thought Fire was mafia I would in a heart beat.I wouldn't think it cleared me though as I could be mafia and sacrificing Fire to look good but I'd still do it.

[Luvbugz]

Hmmm, FD saves you from a coin flip and you defend her.

Was a last second vote better than a no vote? Since it was your rear she was saving, I can't see you having an abjective comment.

What also has me concerned is that FD clearly stated that she did not like the votes on Luvz. If you look at the votes on MC, they are even weaker than the ones on Luvz. Really when is there a real good reason for voting someone on Day One. There was no good reason to save Luvz or lynch MC.

This Luvz and FD connection needs watched.


I forgot you were still alive! I hadn't see you post much. Figured you just hung yourself.

I even quoted you saying you were not going to place a vote at that time. I really am unsure of what your reason is. I kinda have you and FD lumped together along with Luvbugz in some wierd way. Your OMGUS vote kinda did it for me.

Poor DD, she really did seem scummy. I miss her.


I see this also. Luvbugz is no longer leaning innocent for me. I do have noods more innocent and think it is strange that FD spoke to save Luvbugz and not noods. There was no reason to even mention Luvbugz. FD's vote was more of a save than a lynch. Maybe this was to win Luvbugz over or protect them.

I am more for getting to the bottom of DD first, then looking into Luvbuz. I think all three of them (DD, FD, and Luvbugz) are somehow connected.

Want me to dig up more???

[johnlarson66]

If I were innocent and thought Fire was mafia I would in a heart beat.I wouldn't think it cleared me though as I could be mafia and sacrificing Fire to look good but I'd still do it.

I might need to back this up, but I thought Ice had DD as a suspect, but did not vote for her because of the people on DD.

But you did say, "If you were innocent"...

Gonna make me look this up?

[johnlarson66]

Want me to dig up more???

Do you even read or just look for your name?

I never have said if _________ is mafia then Luv is.

Look at this part, "Maybe this was to win Luvbugz over or protect them."

I have corrected you over and over and have asked you to read my posts. I think you have missed the point on most of them because you have been worried about getting lynched.

[johnlarson66]

If I remember correctly JL, you have been ramming the if this person is X then this person must be Y down our throats for a little bit. Started with the DD, Luv, FD. Now that DD is outta the way, it is FD and Luv.

I have rammed nothing down anyones throat. I started with the FD saved Luv (but not noods) and then noticed that DD had Luv as a suspect and did not vote for her. These are important facts and should be talked about.

You had no problem agreeing with Kash that since Ice was not hit by the mafia, he must be mafia. Which is flawed logic and a straight out lie.

You over and over have accussed me of leading you around someway. I have not done anything, but asked for your thoughts (AFTER I have posted mine) and have asked you to vote.

[johnlarson66]

Have I passed noods on posts yet?

See what working at an Internet Lounge does?

noods sure has been quiet.... lol

[Luvbugz]

The more I think abou the Kash thing the more it just doesn't sit right. She knows as well as anyone that the role assignments are random. Just because Coler was innocent doesn't magically make Ice mafia. Just because Kash has been mafia two times already doesn't magically make her innocent this time.

How does this make me agreeing with Kash??

[Luvbugz]

I vote to lynch JL.

[jpappy789]

I never really got an after-death post...

GO MAFIA!

...that is all.

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[noodles62]

Have I passed noods on posts yet?

See what working at an Internet Lounge does?

noods sure has been quiet.... lol

:rofl: FYI I have been enjoying my dinner, cleaning the kitchen and thought I would check the game before I hit the shower. Never fear tho - I shall return! :)

[jm1212]

I never really got an after-death post...

GO MAFIA!

...that is all.

Posted on mobile.aquariacentral.com
gosh...what does it take to kill one of you?

[noodles62]

Boy it got quiet... gonna go watch a movie. maybe we will have some more votes by the time I check back????

[IceH2O]

I might need to back this up, but I thought Ice had DD as a suspect, but did not vote for her because of the people on DD.

But you did say, "If you were innocent"...

Gonna make me look this up?


I didn't vote DD because at the time I didn't want a runaway on her and wanted people to also look at Luv.


I can pull the post if you'd like.

[Dopehand]

I vote to lynch Fire.

[maverickbr77]

I vote to lynch Fire.
want to give us some reasoning and thoughts on other players

[johnlarson66]

I didn't vote DD because at the time I didn't want a runaway on her and wanted people to also look at Luv.


I can pull the post if you'd like.

nope, that is what I was referring to...

[IceH2O]

I vote to lynch Fire.


want to give us some reasoning and thoughts on other players


I'm guessing he'll just reiterate my posts.

[Dopehand]

I'm guessing he'll just reiterate my posts.

You folks have your mind made up about why I make my decisions, thusly there is no value in me sharing them with you. Just assume it's random, or poorly informed, or copied.

That way, you don't have to entertain the notion that I have any original thought. I'm not going to waste my time beating my head against the wall with you. Certainly a warm environment for newer players!

[IceH2O]

You folks have your mind made up about why I make my decisions, thusly there is no value in me sharing them with you. Just assume it's random, or poorly informed, or copied.

That way, you don't have to entertain the notion that I have any original thought. I'm not going to waste my time beating my head against the wall with you. Certainly a warm environment for newer players!


Dopey, give your reasons. Sometimes things are said to get reaction from other players.

No one has any opinion of why you voted the way you did since we don't know why you did.

I have you leaning innocent if you've read my posts so theres no reason for you to think I'm attacking you. But if you had posted your reason with your vote this would all be mute.

Your reaction to my post does make me wonder if you didn't post a reason with the vote so you could react this way and not give a real reason.

[noodles62]

Well, I would like to hear your thougths......

[maverickbr77]

pretty sure i didn't attack you. everyones opinion is needed to help us out by holding back you hurt the town. No they don't make concessions for new players (I was one last game) you just have to jump in and swim or sink.

[Dopehand]

I retract my vote for Fire, and Vote to lynch Kashta.

I find the interest in my reasoning for my ploy vote with the current bandwagon was questioned far more thoroughly than the others who helped solidify the vote in the first place. So if I voted for the same reasons and stated them as such, that would certainly be "re-iterating your posts" and I certainly don't want to force that indignity upon you.

[IceH2O]

I retract my vote for Fire, and Vote to lynch Kashta.

I find the interest in my reasoning for my ploy vote with the current bandwagon was questioned far more thoroughly than the others who helped solidify the vote in the first place. So if I voted for the same reasons and stated them as such, that would certainly be "re-iterating your posts" and I certainly don't want to force that indignity upon you.


Huh???

Ok then why Kash? You still aren't giving reasons for your vote. Just reasons to why you changed it.

[maverickbr77]

I retract my vote for Fire, and Vote to lynch Kashta.

I find the interest in my reasoning for my ploy vote with the current bandwagon was questioned far more thoroughly than the others who helped solidify the vote in the first place. So if I voted for the same reasons and stated them as such, that would certainly be "re-iterating your posts" and I certainly don't want to force that indignity upon you.

take it easy on the big words I can barely understand your post that in the end says pretty much nothing at all.
And i don't realy care if it is reiteration or not I would still like your argument and thoughts on other players as well

[maverickbr77]

Dopehands posts reminds me of circular arguments I use to get in with a friend of mine if this than that because of the first reason that didn't make sense but that is ok because i said it to quickly and with to many big words for you to understand anyway so nod and smile

[IceH2O]

take it easy on the big words I can barely understand your post that in the end says pretty much nothing at all.
And i don't realy care if it is reiteration or not I would still like your argument and thoughts on other players as well


I figured out what he is saying.

JL and Noods weren't questioned on why they voted Fire but he was and thinks its unfair.

Difference is that JL and Noods have reasons and other suspects that they are watching plus they very active and have put themselves out there. Dopey on the other hand is a newer player that pops in with a vote and no explanation.

[maverickbr77]

ya i understood him its just that he could have done it without all the flair

[jm1212]

take it easy on the big words I can barely understand your post that in the end says pretty much nothing at all.
And i don't realy care if it is reiteration or not I would still like your argument and thoughts on other players as well
:laugh: there are no big words in there really. if you can't understand "indignity" then...

"pretty much says nothing at all."

actually, they're saying quite a bit. basically what they are saying, for those that are untrained in the language of bigwordenglish, is that what they do is just up for grabs because they seem to be voting with the "bandwagon" or because they seem to be going "along with" some other player. they're fed up with offering their opinion because all it does is get a finger pointed at them and a person that says "OMG, you're just going along with ---------, so you two MUST be a team!!"

[jm1212]

it really seems to me that you're just making a ruckus over this whole formality thing

[maverickbr77]

I would just like his thoughts on everyone and everytime he is asked for it he kind of sidesteps so poking with a pointier stick

[johnlarson66]

please type slower so I can understand your posts...

[maverickbr77]

who me??? i tend to forget punctuation when i type fast

[johnlarson66]

Dopehand, welcome to the game.

I wanted to lynch you, but you weren't "major" or a "big enough fish" to waste time with.

Thank you for playing.

[johnlarson66]

nope jm1212 and dopehand, they need to slow down so I can understand them.

Maybe if they posted bigger.

[maverickbr77]

Maybe if they posted bigger.

:rofl:

[Dopehand]

(disclaimer: I'm not changing my syntax, if you find it confusing I'll do what I can to clarify, it's the way I am =/)

Here is a frank outline of my thoughts at this time(i haven't updated them since I was utterly wrong about DD): While Firedancer certainly has had some markedly inconsistent actions, if she really is so busy, and most everybody agrees that kashta is in cahoots with her (who seems to be the most consistently mentioned co-conspirator), why Firedancer before Kashta? Perhaps I've misunderstood why somewhere along the line. I personally find Kashta a more lucrative lynch target.

Alternately, if we were AGAIN to lynch a civilian and I didn't wind up hit, I'd certainly be looking in the direction of Ice and JL(unless one of them is hit). I find many of their points logical at this time, but it's certainly possible I've made a mistake in assuming this. So, while I DO share some opinions, it's for my own reasons and from my own deductions. That being said, knock yourselves out if you'd like to state otherwise.

I'm certainly not the poster who has had the least explaining done for their actions. So there's a brief summary, let me know if you need any clarification.

[johnlarson66]

:laugh: there are no big words in there really. if you can't understand "indignity" then...

Then what?

I had to look it up, maybe because I have been out of school for over 20 yrs and when in school was living it up and barely squeeked by.

Here is what it means:



Main Entry: in·dig·ni·ty http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?indign04.wav=indignity') Pronunciation: \in-ˈdig-nə-tē\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural in·dig·ni·ties Etymology: Latin indignitat-, indignitas, from indignus Date: 1581 1 a: an act that offends against a person's dignity or self-respect : insult (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insult) b: humiliating treatment2obsolete : lack or loss of dignity or honor

[jm1212]

Then what?

I had to look it up, maybe because I have been out of school for over 20 yrs and when in school was living it up and barely squeeked by.

Here is what it means:
that would be the proper definition...not so abstruse anymore?

[rich311k]

I vote to lynch Fire.

Thanks for the insight again. is that your whole thought.

[Dopehand]

I believe it was JM who made the "animal farm" reference earlier. Outstanding!

[maverickbr77]

any thoughts on the other players what way do you have some of the less spotlighted players leaning
I agree that Kash is the better vote than FD at this time although i am still voting Luvbugz as I think we need to straighten out what she and that knowing might be insightful into the other players.

thanks for being frank

[maverickbr77]

hate to leave in the middle of this but i need at least a couple hours sleep before work

[jm1212]

I believe it was JM who made the "animal farm" reference earlier. Outstanding!
why thank you, its one of my favorite books.

[johnlarson66]

(disclaimer: I'm not changing my syntax, if you find it confusing I'll do what I can to clarify, it's the way I am =/)

Here is a frank outline of my thoughts at this time(i haven't updated them since I was utterly wrong about DD): While Firedancer certainly has had some markedly inconsistent actions, if she really is so busy, and most everybody agrees that kashta is in cahoots with her (who seems to be the most consistently mentioned co-conspirator), why Firedancer before Kashta? Perhaps I've misunderstood why somewhere along the line. I personally find Kashta a more lucrative lynch target.

Alternately, if we were AGAIN to lynch a civilian and I didn't wind up hit, I'd certainly be looking in the direction of Ice and JL(unless one of them is hit). I find many of their points logical at this time, but it's certainly possible I've made a mistake in assuming this. So, while I DO share some opinions, it's for my own reasons and from my own deductions. That being said, knock yourselves out if you'd like to state otherwise.

I'm certainly not the poster who has had the least explaining done for their actions. So there's a brief summary, let me know if you need any clarification.

Well, I don't know who Frank is, but I will take your word on it. Why in the world is Kash a better lynch than FD if you think they are both mafia? Maybe you can explain why you are making such a statement.

Why in the world would the mafia hit you? Don't worry, you will be here tomorrow.

So if Ice gets hit, you are going to look at me? If I get hit, you are going to look at Ice. If neither of us gets hit you are going to look at us both?

How about noods, she is on our two person team of three. She should be looked at.

[rich311k]

So the idea is lynch FD for some questionable voting practices. We did that with DD and that did not turn out all that well. I am not saying she is not guilty just that I would like more. I definitely could vote that way.

I think that we are being led around by the nose. I just cant figure if Ice and Jl are on the same side or not.

The two of them are directing this whole game. I think we need to take step back and think about this before doing what they think. I am quite sure one (JL) and maybe both are mafia.

[Dopehand]

Thanks for the insight again. is that your whole thought.

Re-read the last couple pages.