Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

[Luvbugz]

What kind of help can jpap even give him? AG is sorta screwed.

I wonder if Kash will even post.

This out to be interesting.

They should just concede.


Maybe he needed the address to the mafia chat site again ;)

[noodles62]

Well, I am gonna vote and then call it a day. Yup, vote and run.
I vote to lynch Kashta

I could be easily pursueded to switch my vote to Agass or Dope.....

Night all.............

[johnlarson66]

I am not refuting his claim. I am just surprised the mafia haven't been all over it already, but I guess what can they really say about it??

Looks to me that you are all over it.

[johnlarson66]

Maybe he needed the address to the mafia chat site again ;)

I wonder if they visited your profile.

[johnlarson66]

I have less than two hours of posting.

Is that enough to has Luvbugz spaz?

[noodles62]

I have less than two hours of posting.

Is that enough to has Luvbugz spaz?

huh? please "splain"....

[jm1212]

i wonder if i should make this three days in a row...

[johnlarson66]

huh? please "splain"....

I am sure Luvbugz will have some sort of meltdown.

[rich311k]

i wonder if i should make this three days in a row...

Make what 3 days in a row.

[johnlarson66]

i wonder if i should make this three days in a row...

I doubt the mafia will hit you, but knowing that you might protect someone else they might hit you.

Personally, I think you killed noods, but maybe they will hit someone else thinking that you might protect noods or yourself...

[Luvbugz]

I am sure Luvbugz will have some sort of meltdown.


Quit being mean. The only "meltdown" I will have is if Kash turns up innocent. Then, yes, I will have a meltdown.

[noodles62]

I am sure Luvbugz will have some sort of meltdown.

got it! sorry, i dont speak that "i haz cheezburger" language.
but i bet you are right; i see a melt down on the horizon.....

[noodles62]

I doubt the mafia will hit you, but knowing that you might protect someone else they might hit you.

Personally, I think you killed noods, but maybe they will hit someone else thinking that you might protect noods or yourself...


what??! oh god! I was doing good this game! :swear:

[jm1212]

make voting for LuvBugz three days in a row, of course.

they already know that she's innocent. yeah, we do too now, but they dont know if i really protected me, or if i protected her, or if i protected someone else. i *might* have doomed her from telling everyone she was innocent, but to be honest, i think most of us knew that.

[noodles62]

:girl:

[Kashta]

Rich, I'll address this to you because you're the one asking. I am the best target now. I drew so much suspicion because I went after Ice. And that put me in the middle of things along with JL and Ice. It's impossible for us tell whether to believe JL or Ice at this point because they're both too good and they've both been the most influential players we have. With all three of us still in the game, the town is going to keep going back and forth trying to figure out who they can listen to. But the odds that JL and Ice are BOTH mafia is extremely low. The only way the town will be able to choose between them now is if I'm gone.

Since Fire turned out to be mafia, we can afford to lose another innocent without it costing us as much. So take me out with the next lynch. My role will be revealed then as innocent then, but it won't matter as long as you make sure you also lynch either JL or Ice the very next night. (It doesn't matter which one you pick between JL or Ice, the town could flip a coin on that call.)

JM protected himself until he comes back to help us. I'll be gone from the lynch.... Noodles will get hit now... and either JL or Ice will also be gone. That leaves either JL or Ice (whichever survived) still to help you unravel this with JM still able to protect.

[Kashta]

I vote to lynch myself.

[johnlarson66]

jm1212, you are going to vote for Luv????

How about Kash or AG?

They seem about the best two. Luv was not even on the wanted poster...

[rich311k]

I vote to lynch myself.

Giving up or a ploy to get sympathy. By the logic you used, people could just lynch either JL or Ice and find out the same thing. Sacrificing yourself for the team?

[Kashta]

Quit being mean. The only "meltdown" I will have is if Kash turns up innocent. Then, yes, I will have a meltdown.

Get ready for that, Luv.. I'll be next to go but it's the only way to clear out the confusion. I'm not going to be revealed as mafia but nobody is going to find that out until you lynch me. The mafia isn't going to solve our problems by hitting either of the three of us.

[Kashta]

Giving up or a ploy to get sympathy. By the logic you used, people could just lynch either JL or Ice and find out the same thing. Sacrificing yourself for the team?

No Rich, it's not a ploy. A majority of the town suspects me. That's not going to go away unless my role is revealed.

[noodles62]

Get ready for that, Luv.. I'll be next to go but it's the only way to clear out the confusion. I'm not going to be revealed as mafia but nobody is going to find that out until you lynch me. The mafia isn't going to solve our problems by hitting either of the three of us.

what 3?

[Kashta]

Me, JL, or Ice.

[jm1212]

jm1212, you are going to vote for Luv????

How about Kash or AG?

They seem about the best two. Luv was not even on the wanted poster...
i dont think i'll vote for her.

as for Kash, i have to consider a few more factors, but to be honest she doesnt seem to be as high on the mafia list as Ice or AG.

[Kashta]

Take out two of us and that leaves only 1 behind who'll either be innocent or mafia. Let JM help solve that or the rest of you can figure it out then because they won't both be leading the way anymore.

[jm1212]

my mafia list, that is

[Kashta]

Look.. most of the town suspects me, which is fine. But no one can tell whether it's safe to listen to JL or Ice.

[Dopehand]

Until I find something jucier in the next couple evenings, I vote to Lynch Agga. Not so much as a hello, despite having viewed us specifically requesting interaction. Laying low could be a brilliant ploy, and if it isn't a ploy and they're innocent, they haven't voted anyway so we wouldn't be losing a major contributor.

[jpappy789]

JPAP RETURNS FROM THE DEAD...TO REVEAL THAT HE IS THE DOCTOR!!!!

betcha didn't sees that one comin'.

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[johnlarson66]

Look.. most of the town suspects me, which is fine. But no one can tell whether it's safe to listen to JL or Ice.

Kash, this might be impossible for you to believe, but there is a chance that Ice and I are both innocent, it has happened before and it has come to the end.

Let's say you are innocent. Can the town spare an innocent at this stage of the game?

I have an hour left before I am away for the weekend.

Let's assume there are two mafia left and atleast one is on the wanted list. I think there are two, but could be wrong.

My top two (not including you) are Dope and AG.

I am willing to vote them. I am unwilling to vote JM, noods, Luv, Ice.

What do you got?

[Kashta]

JPAP RETURNS FROM THE DEAD...TO REVEAL THAT HE IS THE DOCTOR!!!!

betcha didn't sees that one comin'.

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That's a pure BS post Jpapp because your role was already revealed as mafia. And shame on you!

[noodles62]

JPAP RETURNS FROM THE DEAD...TO REVEAL THAT HE IS THE DOCTOR!!!!

betcha didn't sees that one comin'.

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Wah?!?? then why did you show as mafia when you were lynched? why are you posting after your death? this is too much. I must call it a day....:thud:

[noodles62]

JPAP RETURNS FROM THE DEAD...TO REVEAL THAT HE IS THE DOCTOR!!!!

betcha didn't sees that one comin'.

Posted on mobile.aquariacentral.com


That's a pure BS post Jpapp because your role was already revealed as mafia. And shame on you!


Wah?!?? then why did you show as mafia when you were lynched? why are you posting after your death? this is too much. I must call it a day....:thud:

Mod?! Z?! Can we have some clarification please?

[Dopehand]

A joke, methinks?

[noodles62]

ok - I really need to call it a day. My dog wants to go out and my hubby is snoring.... make it work people!

[Kashta]

Kash, this might be impossible for you to believe, but there is a chance that Ice and I are both innocent, it has happened before and it has come to the end.

Let's say you are innocent. Can the town spare an innocent at this stage of the game?

I have an hour left before I am away for the weekend.

Let's assume there are two mafia left and atleast one is on the wanted list. I think there are two, but could be wrong.

My top two (not including you) are Dope and AG.

I am willing to vote them. I am unwilling to vote JM, noods, Luv, Ice.

What do you got?

Yes we can spare 2 innocents now and still be right where we were two hours ago.... because lynching Fire didn't cost us a life on the town side and it reduced the mafia by one. That's put us way ahead again.

[jpappy789]

The living have no sense of humor...carry on.

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[johnlarson66]

Yes we can spare 2 innocents now and still be right where we were two hours ago.... because lynching Fire didn't cost us a life on the town side and it reduced the mafia by one. That's put us way ahead again.

You want me to keep on you?

I WILL NOT be able to switch.

[Kashta]

I'll just keep going...

I can't decide whether to believe JL or not... but neither can the rest of the town. I don't trust Ice at all because I think he's mafia. But I might be wrong about that. So:

If Ice is mafia, it's safe for him to vote me now because he knows I'm innocent but enough of the town in general suspects me that I'll get lynched anyway.

If Ice is innocent, then he'd still vote me now because he's convinced I must be mafia and I was playing around to set him up.

[Kashta]

Yes John.

[johnlarson66]

Will do.

I am not sure what it proves if you come up innocent?

[ZSandmann]

JPAP RETURNS FROM THE DEAD...TO REVEAL THAT HE IS THE DOCTOR!!!!

betcha didn't sees that one comin'.

Posted on mobile.aquariacentral.com

Shush you! Ignore the angry little man behind the curtain.

[johnlarson66]

Kash, I know you are convinced that either Ice or me has to be mafia because we are still playing.

Just what if we are both innocent?

It was not like there was a bunch of votes on FD. I think it was just me, Ice and noods. I think Ice expected me to change and towards nightfall I was a little concerned that he was up to something.

If there were only three mafia left, then would anyone let their numbers get down to two? I just don't see it.

I don't think you dying proves anything.

[johnlarson66]

Until I find something jucier in the next couple evenings, I vote to Lynch Agga. Not so much as a hello, despite having viewed us specifically requesting interaction. Laying low could be a brilliant ploy, and if it isn't a ploy and they're innocent, they haven't voted anyway so we wouldn't be losing a major contributor.

This coming from such a major contributor. I swear you voted Kash last night.

[johnlarson66]

Kash,

I understand your plan, but I am afraid your math is off.

FD voted for you and then Ice.

I retract my vote for Kash

[jm1212]

i just can't see Kashta as being mafia. im getting the same feelings about her as i got with DD, who i "knew" wasnt mafia. personally, i just cant seem to vote for her.

AG, on the other hand, has just been way too sly for my liking. I've seen him watching and waiting, looking over the thread, with jpap appearing around the same time. conicidence? personally, ive seen it happen a few times too many to think they are. I vote to lynch Aggaz.

that said, this is subject to change. Ice is also on my mafia list.

[Dopehand]

I certainly did vote for kash, and I certainly don't believe her to be innocent. However, it's looking like kash is going to walk the walk and take a lynch. I'm throwing some alternate ideas out there,is all. I wouldn't be opposed to voting for her again, either. I just like to stir things up a bit.

[johnlarson66]

i just can't see Kashta as being mafia. im getting the same feelings about her as i got with DD, who i "knew" wasnt mafia. personally, i just cant seem to vote for her.

AG, on the other hand, has just been way too sly for my liking. I've seen him watching and waiting, looking over the thread, with jpap appearing around the same time. conicidence? personally, ive seen it happen a few times too many to think they are. I vote to lynch Aggaz.

that said, this is subject to change. Ice is also on my mafia list.

Since AG is not posting at all or even voting, I am guessing they are watching and are just clueless. If they are mafia, they are just a body and not much help. TRS is a body also.

[Dopehand]

What would lead you to a preference in the order that they are dispatched, then?

[johnlarson66]

I certainly did vote for kash, and I certainly don't believe her to be innocent. However, it's looking like kash is going to walk the walk and take a lynch. I'm throwing some alternate ideas out there,is all. I wouldn't be opposed to voting for her again, either. I just like to stir things up a bit.

Here's an alternate idea for you!

I vote to lynch Dopehand.

The more you talk in circles the more I think you are mafia. The more I look at the voting and how the votes have landed, I am less convienced of Kash being mafia.

I completely forgot about TRS and AG is very forgetable. I do not know when AG visited jpap's profile, but the person that pointed it out (Ice) is unwilling to vote for AG because Ice wants to see Kash squirm. I know that players of the game check out peoples profiles. I am sure the mafia would know how to talk to each other and I have NEVER used a profile as a way to communicate to other mafia.

I have too much doubt on the other players and feel strongest about Dopehand.

[Dopehand]

I think you may need a geometry refresher if you think that was a circle. Weird how you suddenly become adamant after the agg lynch votes, and suddenly start mudslinging on me. I'm thinking this is fishy indeed.

[johnlarson66]

What would lead you to a preference in the order that they are dispatched, then?

Since I am a fairly simple person, I have no clue what you are saying.

From what I am able to translate you are asking me why do I care what order the mafia are lynched.

I am concerned about being quick to jump. You were a bad vote choice before because you were not that active. Now that you are active, you are a good lynch choice.

I am limited on my time, as my day is over and I will not be back until Monday at noon, I have to really look at things.

The reasons for not voting you are gone, but the reasons for voting you are still there.

I am unable to quote anything, due to my time being up, but I hope others follow me in lynching Dope.

[johnlarson66]

Now look who is in here, jpap, TRS and Dopehand...

[Dopehand]

Enjoy your trip, and I hope for the town's sake that they do not follow your lead.

[Dopehand]

It's no stranger of a coincidence that YOU are here with them than I. Though I sincerely doubt you would implicate your own teammates, I'm now thinking maybe............JL+AGG+???? That being said, I'd be hesitant to lynch you while you are gone, though I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

[The Red Severum]

It looks to me like JL is becoming desperate to point out who is mafia. How pointless, and the more you talk JL the more you look like mafia to me..

[IceH2O]

JL, so because Fire threw a safe vote on Kash that clears Kash IYO?

I know you don't have much time, vote how you feel you need too.

I said I would vote Agi but I don't see how voting him brings anything to the table. Kash is more vocal and if mafia as I think would do more to save herself. Or a team mate might try.

I have 3 days to figure out and re read the thread to see if anything else rears its head.

I wish Jm had investigated me or you instead of Noods.

Kash, you've said a number of times as did Fire that since I haven't been hit I must be mafia. Why haven't you said that about Jl?
( I'm not positive she hadn't, I'll have to go back)

I'm starting to wonder if you and Jl aren't the last 2.

I think I'm going to stay on Kash at least till I reread the thread. Then I'll see where I stand on who is what.

[IceH2O]

Ice: Kash(512) Fire
Fire: Ice(518) Nood(608) JL(629) Dope(718)
Luv: Jm(519) Mav(682)
Dope: JL(522) Fire
Nood: Red(632)
JL: Luv(712)Rich
Kash: Dope(726)

I'm happy with my vote. No need to move it.


As Maverick's body is hauled away by the Doctor and the rest of the now sober Town, they noticed a new flyer on the pub's notice board. No one admits to placing it, but they suspect it may be useful or perhaps just a bane.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2651/wantedposterc.jpg


Yes we can spare 2 innocents now and still be right where we were two hours ago.... because lynching Fire didn't cost us a life on the town side and it reduced the mafia by one. That's put us way ahead again.



Kash I don't think we can spare a bad night of possibly losing 2 innocents as there are 10 players, which I'm gussing can only be 2 or 3 mafia left. Worst case is 7-3 right now. If we lose 2 it lowers to 5-3 and the next night could end the game.

I thought I put up pretty good thoughts on Fire, I'd like to hear why others didn't vote her? Kash,Luv,Red,Rich,Dopey?

Using I don't trust you Ice and you were there isn't an acceptable excuse. You read what I read. Why didn't you come to the same conclusion?

When I have time I think I'm going to pull all the votes and all of the lists and see what comes of it. But I'm going to visit a friend I haven't seen in a few months because our schedules clash with his new job so it'll be closer to tonight when that happens. Hopefully there will be something to read and react to from others also.

[Dopehand]

I thought the evidence against fire "seemed" solid, but after the Danger Doll lynching where I felt like a smarty pants I was extremely wary of being a tie vote or tie breaker vote. Being a latecomer who suddenly is instrumental in lynching two civilians not only looks bad, but would have been catastrophic for the team.

My vote was actually originally ON fire. Next I put a vote on Kash, who I thought was acting quite guilty, though my original intention was to switch JL towards nightfall. I couldn't justify doing this just on a hunch, so I figured I'd wait out nightfall.

[noodles62]

Now that we know that Firedancer was mafia, I wanted to look at who she was voting against and who she seemed to be protecting.
This leads me to Luvbugz again. I will admit that Luv had moved down on my list considerably but this is really bothering me.
Night one, FD throws in a late vote on MC cause she "did not like the votes on bugz". Night 2, luv is one vote down from being tied for the lynch and FD throws in a late useless vote on Kashta rather than tying up the votes w/ DD.
night 3, she votes ice.....
I am not sure if there is anything that we can glean from her votes but it is worth looking at.

Now to look at who she had on her suspect list. I know Ice was one but need to go back and see who the others were.

[IceH2O]

I think that it would be best to take out the SK, because they have no more information than the rest of us. It would be just as likely that they take one of us, as taking out a baddy.

I'm also confused as to why Kashta's post was considered odd? I've answered much weirder questions on Day 1.

And... I'm in Cali, what time does that make nightfall out here?



*edit* not Kashta, Luvbugz.

Here Fire says Kash when she means Luv, is Kash on her mind since that is who she is speaking to in chat?


I hate to admit it, but I can kinda empathize with DDoll not posting. With the votes being so close, it almost seemed like a better idea to let the dice decide who was going home. But, it does seem out of character for her to not vote.

I think that it was a good thing that the SK is gone. Thanks for taking out a goon, but it was really a wild shot. What if jpap had been innocent? We would have lost 2 townies. Ouch!

Don't even pretend to askcwho the Dr is! We can't afford to lose them, and asking about is only going to cuase someone to slip up. You should know this jm (and yes, I understand that you said you were only joking, but still).

Why am I being linked to Luv? Yes, I "saved" her by voting MC, but it was mostly because I didn't think that the pizza fiasco was a good enough reason to vote her. I wish she would have given the rest of us enough credit to understand her joke, after all, we are playing a pretty intense thinking game, but that was it.

Maverick is worrying me with the run in, post something that sounds definitive and then disappearing. I think he is worth watching.

Ice always worries me. I get the urge to lynch him, just to be sure he's really a townie. I'm not totally feeling the mafia vibe, but maybe it'll come. ;)

JL, wth?!?! I am not gonna get on your case too badly, but man! You're usually more on top of your game than this! I know you've caught up and all, but missing day 1 is pretty icky.


I think since there wa sa lot of talk about it the mafia decided to use it to hang Luv later if Fire was lynched.


Well, stupid though you may feel it to be, a late vote is better than no vote. I think DDoll might be mafia, I don't think that LBug is and no matter how I vote now it looks scummy. That being said,

I vote to lynch Kashta.


She spent way more time making a case against me, DDoll and Lbug than could possibly hold water. It looks good, keeps the heat where she wants it and names enough people to keep suspicion from her for a couple days while the list is lynched. I'm not involved enough to be in such a conspiracy. Sorry.


That's quite interesting, FD... you actually believe DD is mafia but you don't vote DD because you're afraid it would make you look scummy?

So tell me how does an OMGUSSY vote against me for naming you as my 3rd suspect for mafia you any less scummy?


Eh, could be distancing. You're pretty high on everyones list also.


I've always thought that an OMGUS label was reserved for an actual vote. Anyway, it doesn't make me look any less scummy. ANY vote from me at this point looks gross. DD might be mafia. Notice the "might." I think that you are. Hence the vote.

Those 3 posts pretty much sum up Fire wanting to vote Kash and her reasoning. I was in the middle and called it distancing.


Wow. We really need to come together. lol, I know that I've not been the greatest help, but dagnabbit, we're playing a really poor game. I'm going to try to contribute something worthwhile (though that is an entirely subjective judgment) before the inexplicably (possibly early teething?) babe reawakens...

Immediate concerns go out about Kash and JM, with the wierd Dopehand vote coming a close third. Ice always scares me, as do the Rockin Pandas. They're good.

i believe that my reason for voting Kash is valid. The lateness of it sucked, but it was the same vote I would've made earlier in the day. I think it's crazy to put me in the middle of a plot that involved. I think she's trying to deflect attenion away from herself. Getting DDoll lynched was a good start with LB and I next up, you're safe for a few days. Blech!

I can't shake JM asking about the Dr. It's just begging for someone to trip up and reveal their hand. That's scummy, and I have more faith in the Dr than that.

S**t, she's up. I'll finish this post later.




We know



Ok, lots of reading. I still don't like Kash, but others are looking scummier to me.

From the above list, Dopehand is, I think, a top suspect. He's slippery. I know that this is a rough game for a newbie, but you obviously have the ability to read and understand what is going on, so you should be able to figure out how we (myself excluded this round, I assure you, this is far from typical of me) play. Explain your votes. Someone else can explain multi-quote, if that will help you formulate answers. I'm not going to lump my vote with yours on Kash. Icky.

JL, I dont totally understand why you're voting me. I haven't really done anything scummy, and when you vote, others follow. Knock it off and look for mafia, not the low posting. You all know that this is not how I usually play.

I STILL don't think LB is mafia. Don't wanna vote her. Think it is a mistake.

I am also wondering how JM seems to have dropped off of suspect lists. I think he's fully capable of sliding under the mafia-radar and manipulating the town votes. He's voting Luv for the second day in a row.

Ice, well, I am shocked that you are still here. I wonder why? You're usually a first choice for a hit. Does someone know something the rest of us don't?

I vote to lynch Dopehand.

This vote is subject to change if he responds to queries, even if that means saying, "Such and such has good logic and I agree with them." I can totally see him being a sacrificial mafia lamb right now, to keep the heat off the real players.
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She thinks Dopey is scummier then Kash because of what. 1 come in vote vs Kash posts? Kash supposedly built a case against Fire but 1 vote on DD totally raises Dopey over Kash. Makes me think the Kash vote was a distancing vote that was never planned to be put back the next day.

Why is she joking around with JL here but comes out and says I shouldn't be here if not mafia?
She still says Luv is innocent and I started to wonder if I was wrong and they are connected. But then while throwing suspicion Jms way to states he has voted Luv 2 days in a row. I think Luv is innocent and if Luv had been lynched and shown innocent Fire could point this out.

Jl had a vote on Dopey earlier then Fire throws one there after Jl jumped off.

I'm having a hard time with JL. I want to believe him but I don't trust him. I do however wonder if they aren't trying to play us against each other.


After pulling these posts I'm not convinced Kash is innocent and my vote stays.

Though it hasn't helped me decide one way or another on JL except that he didn't jump to me when he had the chance to take me out instead of Fire.

When I get more time I want to pull Kashs posts and lists also.

Glad to see you guys are stepping up and pulling your own research to help the town make a decision.

[rich311k]

I was on JL. I thought he was a mafia. I think he still may be but hisleading the voting on Fire has to make me take a step back on that.

I believe Jm so that clears he and Noodles.

Ice was on Fire as well so again hard to pin mafia on him right now.

I think that Kashta was truthful in her little begging session last night and I think she is an innocent.

Ag is very suspicious but except for a page visit what is there to go on?

Dope had some funny votes and does not give reasons for anything he does. He is top on my list right now.

TRS I am undecided on. I certainly do not trust him at all.

Luv I read as innocent right now. A little over the top but innocent.

My list is Dope, AG, JL, Red.

Plenty of time to think on this.

[IceH2O]

Sorry I got distracted and started a post between posts then skipped to something else.

Its the We know section under Fires last purple font post.


It should say..

We know JM is innocent, your call on JL and me.
The way she switched off Kash to Dopey leans him innocent to me.

[The Red Severum]

"TRS I am undecided on. I certainly do not trust him at all."
Why? Because your mafia and you know I innocent? Care to explain more?

[rich311k]

"TRS I am undecided on. I certainly do not trust him at all."
Why? Because your mafia and you know I innocent? Care to explain more?

I have not seen you say or do anything that would help out the town. Why so defensive?

[IceH2O]

Ok this is my case on Kash



Looking through D1 posts again still doesn't help me very much even with the knowledge that Jpappy was mafia. I'll have to go through it all again, I suppose, at some point today to see if there's something I'm missing. So far in this game, the main thing that stands out for me is how little really stands out at all. The thoughts I have still seem thin and I'm not sure they're even worth pursuing, but I'll share what I can just in case it helps get some ideas out here.

First, it was my expectation that the mafia would hit either Ice or Coler the first 2 nightfalls because of their experience/game style. So that presumption lead me to think whichever of the two avoids mafia hits on N1 and N2 would more likely be on the mafia team himself. The mafia isn't going to hit one of their own. Since Coler was hit and revealed as a citizen, it's seems more likely that Ice is mafia. Going back through the posts last night looking for clues along this line, however, I don't actually see anything from his posting that backs up a mafia suspicion.

The other supposition I have is generally anyone who doesn't vote is acting more out of self-preservation than in the best interests of the town. But the same is true for those who don't post (who are actually here) and those who post now and then but who don't actually say anything. As DD didn't vote, I'll watch her more closely now.

Hope I can find more to go on than this fairly soon. This is a real slow thing with so many people either not playing or holding back because they can.

been hit on Night 1 that if I survive Night 2 I must be mafia, though she sees nothing in my posts to lead her to believe I am.


No John, which is why I also made it clear I was falling back on general/default strategy ideas given a lack of anything more specific to go on in such a low-participation game. I've also pointed out already that I don't have any suspects yet. Ice would have made an obvious suspect (for me) had I found something re-reading his posts last night that sounded scummy.

I'm glad to see that you're in the game now because you do participate and you're good at stirring things up. Now kindly let us know which side you're on... :)

....so we can decide what you're up to jumping in so hard and fast with definitive accusations and a vote already.



Going back to your previous post... Yes, you might as well give your reasons for missing the first day and the first vote. That's something we would ask of anyone else so you should answer that.


Again reiterates nothing in my posts are scummy


Here's my input this morning. I feel DD and Luv are both mafia. I also highly suspect FD being part of this but she still may be innocent... yet after reading FD's more recent posts, they fit in well having a connection to both DD and Luv. Reviewing the thread more has cleared Noodles, Ice, JL, and Rich in my mind. JM made a huge mistake calling for speculation about the Dr. which was really bad but may have been done out of inexperience, not realizing such a discussion would tip off the mafia as to who they'd want to hit next.

DD is not playing the same as she did when she was noncommunicating mafia or a noncommunicating wiseguy. This time, she was more active and connected in the game. When she is noncommunicating, she tends to float in and out more sporadically. I think she is communicating this time because her activity was a lot more connected/purposeful before she later had to defend herself for not voting.

In this game, DD has been posting more suspects and was quick to stir up interest over Luvbugz early on... which she failed to follow through on to vote Luvbugz for the lynch. I suspect Luv is her teammate and DD started that to distance them from each other while nothing else was going on yet, intending to switch off as soon as someone else flubbed up or a new suspicion developed elsewhere once the inactive players showed up. That just didn't happen through the first day.

I don't believe for a moment that DD decided not to vote out of indecision. The DD I've seen before would've played her best hunch to vote somewhere else, except she'd already committed herself to vote Luvbugz over anyone else. So she stayed out of the voting completely.

FD cast a late vote to save Luv by taking MC out instead. That was how they resolved the problem to save Luvbugz. FD voted MC with 5 minutes to spare with DD's vote held in reserve in case somebody switched from MC back to Luv. When nobody did, DD didn't vote for Luv (her #1 suspect) because that would've put Luv back in tied with MC with her fate decided by a coin toss. DD didn't vote Noodles or MC because she'd not built up a convincing case against them and it would've been obvious that she was only saving her teammate Luv.

As a vet, DD knew she'd end up taking flack over not voting but she also knows she can talk herself out of a tight spot fairly well. She tried to blow that off at first with her explanation to Ice... which isn't very solid at all. But Ice wasn't buying it... and that's when JL came into this. DD's now having to defend herself more intently. I just don't see it as being very convincing.

Jpappy (mafia) voted Noodles because he knew she wasn't on the scum team. He doesn't strike me as a vote switcher, hoping to distance himself with that vote. And I seriously doubt Ice would've followed Jpap's vote if both Jpap and Ice were mafia.

Again she says I'm cleared


I'm comfortable with my two leading suspects.. DD and Luvbugz. My vote could go either way between them, so I'll place the vote now...

I vote to lynch DangerDoll.

That gets this in for the day and I intend to vote Luvbugz tomorrow. (Or vice versa.) My reasons for both stated earlier this morning.

JM1212.. The only remaining question I have is this.... how many mafia games have you played before?

FireDancer was a question for me over her vote to save Luvbugz or not. With this question in mind, it's this post from her that's made that call for me. I've broken up FD's single post into multiple quotes to add comments between the paragraphs. Reading this with the notion these three are mafia teammates, I can see FD defending or being helpfully sympathetic toward both DD and Luvbugz while remaining carefully neutral about the others she names.

Here, FD defends DD:



Here, general comments. Then somewhat scolds JM but staying neutral about that too:



Here, defends Luvbugz again while explaining herself:



The rest is noncomittal... Mav, Ice, and JL:


Her case against Fire and somehow I went from clear to noncommital


Ice, everything I was counting on to be accurate and reasonable has just been proved wrong. Tonight has been a total disaster. And there's nothing I can do to change that. While I do all I can to read through everything looking for clues and evaluating strategy from every angle I can think of, there's obviously a lot going on that I miss. It's still easy enough for me to be mislead or for me to just misread things all by myself. But one thing is certain...

There is no way under the sun that ANY mafia team in this game would hit both Coler and then DirtyDawg while still leaving you active and alive to continue playing... UNLESS you had a chair at that mafia table.




JM.. I was on the communicating mafia team in both the two other games I've played before. So from the beginning, I had to learn how to look at this game from the mafia's viewpoint. I had the benefit of being able to learn a lot while working alongside vets who were extremely well skilled in this game.. primarily Madcrawdad (who played under an alias) and Coler.

I remember Blueiz noticed Ice was following the first game even though he didn't participate in that one. She made a comment back then how glad she was that we (mafia) didn't have to deal with him on the opposing side. Ice really is that good at this.

Then in the game that followed, Coler's very first suggestion to that mafia team was to make Ice our #1 hit. A decision that Coler playfully denied making later on.. lol. That's what the mafia needs to do with their hits is take out the players most likely to spoil their plans.

Coler made reference to that same likelihood himself on the first day in this game... and Ice has admitted as much himself, more than once. Neither of them expected to last very long before being hit by the mafia. Coler was innocent and, sure enough, he was hit the first night. If Ice was also innocent, there's just no way he'd still be here to see Day #3.


Day 3 starts and from her case against Fire she switches and votes me for not being hit. Also makes sure to tell everyone how good I am and how in another game my being hit was top priority.



I'll admit that I'm still rattled from what happened last night. And now having just read through a barrage of posts from Ice and JL that filled 5 full pages (wtf is with those two?)... good God, I can hardly think straight anymore after all that.

Anyway.. I'm still trying to sort it all out. So for now, this is where my impressions fall. I'll continue trying to reevaluate things as today goes on. If I notice something that changes, I'll point that out too.

Day 3 votes so far...
Ice - Kashta
Fire - Ice
Luv - JM
Dopehand - JL
Main players...

IceH2O - Mafia without a doubt in my mind.

Johnlarson - Leaning mafia the way he steers the boat so capably, but so far in the wrong direction. Having doubts about so many others, I trusted in his logic/judgement way too much.... beware.

Ice and JL work extremely well with each other to influence the town while appearing to be very separate at the same time. Need to keep watching how well they continue doing this... as I'm not the only one who's noticed it or been influenced by their lead. We are being led in certain ways by both of them and it's worked out badly for the town this far.

Both Ice and JL planted a few lukewarm suspicions my way until they both saw I agreed with them about DD.. also Luv and FD. Then they both backed down and left me alone.... neither of them pursuing me again, until I first suggested Ice might be mafia IF the mafia doesn't take him out of the game. That got a strong reaction from both of them at the time and I've been "highly suspected" by them ever since.

Other comments...

rich311k - Leaning mafia but not sure. Rich has defended Luvbugz twice already since nightfall last night and raised JL's suspicion over Dopehand up a notch... right after Dope pointed at Luvbugz. If Luv is mafia, then she's got a real strong ally in Rich. Rich and JL are also closely aligned. Still need to decide whether that's good or bad.

Luvbugz - Very suspicious, but too flaky to pin her down. She acted a lot like that while innocent in the first game we played. Wasn't bouncing around like this in the next game when she was connected with the mafia team. Her meltdown in this game may be annoying, but it's also the best argument in her favor as not being scum this time around.

FireDancer - Suspicious, and overly certain of herself for someone who's not really playing. Ironically, it's Ice's vote against her now that's the best reason for not suspecting her. Keep an eye on what Ice does in this regard as this could be a passing thing to distance them. DirtyDawg did warn us that if DD turns out innocent... then Ice is most likely mafia. Not ready to lean innocent with FD yet but it's possible. Keep watching this.

Dopehand - very suspicious.. in and out like a flash but yet not playing.

jm1212 - Rookie player still who tries to cover his butt over Dr. question but handled it poorly. Would have benefited a lot from coaching at that time if he'd had that from a mafia team. Hard to believe the Mafia team would be stupid enough to send in one of their own to ask about the Dr. like that. Leaning innocent for the moment for that reason, but he bears watching to see what he does next.

noodles62 - Extremely vocal as always but quite neutral, likely innocent. I don't see anything off at all. She's just very good at this, so it isn't really safe to take her without a grain of salt. Still not getting a read either way.... wish I could tell. Would really be nice to know for sure.

maverickbr77 - So completely neutral.... it's enough to forget he's even here. Mav is extremely good at this as I remember now from the last game.. makes him a little less than innocent than he may appear to be.

The Red Severum - disinterested, most likely innocent again.... He doesn't bother getting into this since nothing involves him this time.

Agassizii - Who the hell knows or even cares at this point.. wait and see. Will get to him later.


Her list. Alot of suspicion but non commital though suspicions also lead to leaning innocent on most.

Puts me and JL as a team.

Also insinuates we are leading the town. As I stated before no one leads, if you can't take accountability for your own vote its your own fault for not doing your own research. No one tells anyone how to vote.


Also meant to add to my post above the point that mafia players don't take a direct route when going after townies they hope to lynch. What they do is more subtle than that.

For example... imagine now that I'm innocent and after sticking my neck out last night to vote Ice as mafia, see what has Ice done in response? I expected Ice to tear me to pieces after putting myself at risk like that (when I could've kept a low profile instead), but he didn't. Aside from merely including my name on his list of mafia suspects (thus far), Ice spent a good amount of time last night ignoring me and virtually all the other active players in the game. I can see why Ice didn't come after me directly.. why would he do that? It wouldn't make sense. But what he's doing now doesn't make any sense either.

Since last night, Ice has directed his focus exclusively on people who are are much less involved in the game. Surely there's ONE prominent player left who's on the mafia side. We know the role assignments made were done randomly. Are we really expected to believe the mafia's efforts are being orchestrated largely by no-shows, beginners, and a few who don't have time to post much? I'm very sure there's someone else out there who's active and scummy that Ice is deliberately overlooking. If we can figure out who that is... there's a great target for our next lynching.

If I am right about Ice now and he is on the mafia team... then there are a few other things to watch for as this day unfolds. I'm saying all this now because I know it's very likely that I'm on my way out. What I've done has probably caused some trouble with the mafia's game plan... (if Ice is mafia). So look very closely at who comes after me hard... instead of Ice himself. Ice isn't going to do this himself, but you can be sure that someone else associated with him on the mafia team will. Wait to see who that turns out to be and then look for a connection between them.

Also pay attention after nightfall tonight to who does NOT get hit by the mafia. And ask yourselves why.

Again pointing fingers at me. Why does JL not get the finger for the same reason? Its post like that which make me untrusting of JL right now.


I've been through the thread which seems mostly chatter.. along with JL tutoring Luvbugz on her reading comprehension. Wish there was a way to pull out only posts in this thread that haven't already been quoted upteen times... would save some time catching up in between all the repeats for clarification.

Ice - Mafia, certain.
JohnLarson - Uncertain but wary.
Rich - Leaning mafia. Ice's glancing vote which has already been switched away was a nice touch, Ice.
Noodles - Too quiet for too long at a time.
Kashta - Too quiet for too long at a time. Oh wait.. nvm, scratch that.
Maverick - Leaning mafia.
Luvbugz - Tempted to switch my vote from Ice to Luv just to watch her come unglued again... lmao.
FireDancer - Would be nice to find out about possible protection on Luv (twice) if she gets lynched tonight.
TRS - Dude, you predicting me innocent is almost enough to make me vote myself mafia.
Dopehand and JM - Hopelessly lost but funny to read.
Agassizii - Mostly a no-show.. nothing to go on.

Think that's everyone. All the above subject to change once we learn what nightfall will bring. For the time being, I've not seen anything posted that's changed my impressions for today.


Another list. We already know that Mav who she states is mafia is innocent. That Fire will tell us what Luv is. Fire showed mafia Kash, so why isn't Luv any longer a target?


Rich, I'll address this to you because you're the one asking. I am the best target now. I drew so much suspicion because I went after Ice. And that put me in the middle of things along with JL and Ice. It's impossible for us tell whether to believe JL or Ice at this point because they're both too good and they've both been the most influential players we have. With all three of us still in the game, the town is going to keep going back and forth trying to figure out who they can listen to. But the odds that JL and Ice are BOTH mafia is extremely low. The only way the town will be able to choose between them now is if I'm gone.

Since Fire turned out to be mafia, we can afford to lose another innocent without it costing us as much. So take me out with the next lynch. My role will be revealed then as innocent then, but it won't matter as long as you make sure you also lynch either JL or Ice the very next night. (It doesn't matter which one you pick between JL or Ice, the town could flip a coin on that call.)

JM protected himself until he comes back to help us. I'll be gone from the lynch.... Noodles will get hit now... and either JL or Ice will also be gone. That leaves either JL or Ice (whichever survived) still to help you unravel this with JM still able to protect.

I don't get how if you turn up innocent that it determines JL or I are mafia. What if the town chooses the wrong one or we're both innocent? How does that help?


I vote to lynch myself.

Never liked this ploy. Why sacrifice yourself. Why not vote for who you think is mafia. There are other players besides me you and JL. Isn't Luv a suspect? What about Dopey? Think you even have Rich as one. Why lay down when you could still help the town?


Giving up or a ploy to get sympathy. By the logic you used, people could just lynch either JL or Ice and find out the same thing. Sacrificing yourself for the team?

Rich calls her on it.


I'll just keep going...

I can't decide whether to believe JL or not... but neither can the rest of the town. I don't trust Ice at all because I think he's mafia. But I might be wrong about that. So:

If Ice is mafia, it's safe for him to vote me now because he knows I'm innocent but enough of the town in general suspects me that I'll get lynched anyway.

If Ice is innocent, then he'd still vote me now because he's convinced I must be mafia and I was playing around to set him up.


So I'm either innocent or mafia. Gotcha!


My vote stays on Kash. Still haven't determined who might be a partner.

I don't like that JL pulled off of her though.

[noodles62]

The rules state that the wanted poster "may" name one or two mafia....so at least one of the names on the list is definately mafia....JL, Kash, Ice, Agass and Dope; My vote is on Kash right now, however I am not convinced that either Agass or Dope are innocent. I am leaning more Agass as mafia right now...as I said, just cause he is not posting or voting does not mean he does not count as a living mafia member....JL & Ice, I am not getting a "mafia vibe" from either but I certainly could be wrong. They are both very good players.
We know that JM and I are innocent. That leaves Bugz, TRS, and Rich that are not named on either list. I do not trust TRS at all and really could see him as mafia. Rich, possible, but not seeing it right now. Bugz, I think is innocent but that stuff with FD really bothers me.....
Help me out people. Tell us what your thoughts are so we can see if there are any correlations. This is most likely my last "day" so I would love to take out a mafia with me. There are at least 2 mafia left, if not 3. We have to eliminate them all to win......

[The Red Severum]

noodles62-Still think she is mafia, communcating with luv bugs.
Luvbugz-^ mafia
Kashta- Innocent this game, could change though
Dopehand- innocent
Agassizii- don't no, doesn't post. probably mafia but who the heck knows.
IceH2O-innocent for now, got FD
rich311k- 50/50 some things mafia, some innocent.
johnlarson66- innocent for now, helping out the town.

[IceH2O]

noodles62-Still think she is mafia, communcating with luv bugs.
Luvbugz-^ mafia
Kashta- Innocent this game, could change though
Dopehand- innocent
Agassizii- don't no, doesn't post. probably mafia but who the heck knows.
IceH2O-innocent for now, got FD
rich311k- 50/50 some things mafia, some innocent.
johnlarson66- innocent for now, helping out the town.



LOL.... Jm the Dr who had the only investigation cleared Noodles.

[The Red Severum]

What where?

[rich311k]

What where?

Go back and read a little more, last night after the nightfall I believe.

[rich311k]

So Ice you are not buying her exchange with JL? That could be telling if you are correct. I read her as truthful then.

[The Red Severum]

after thinking, yes I know I changed my mind, but I am trying to find where the doctor investigated and just reading, I am thinking JL is mafia. Why, no one has really pointed the finger at him and made him choke. I also am thinking why would luvbugs be so easy to tell she is mafia? I think she might be a innocent.

[IceH2O]

g/o well i guess this is where i make my leave. when i signed up i was hoping it would go a little faster, but hey, it happens. i'll be on a cruise for the next 7 days, but i'll get back Thursday afternoon, maybe in time to make a vote if there is one on Thursday. there better not be though....you guys need to figure this out before then. there are probably only two or three of them left. g/o

noodles is a citizen.

dont know if im going to carry over my vote, or vote for someone else.


Here.


So Kash, since Jm can only protect this last time,unless Z let them send in protections for multiple nights, I see a problem with your plan.

Since its most likely Jm protected themselves theres no guarantee Noodles was protected. They likely won't hit the Dr or Noodles in case but have JL or me to hit. Since Jl and I are the most wondered about one of us probably get hit. Then since there is no protection left,unless multiples were allowed sent in, the other one of us goes. The Dr will eventually be hit also before they can return and Noodles also hit.Now both are gone and the town has to figure out who to lynch to finish the game. Not that it will have to go that far.

So its not a worthwhile plan to lynch you then flip a coin between JL and I as one of us won't be around most likely.

That being said,if you are innocent you need to remove your vote from yourself and make a case against whoever you think is mafia and convince some of us that you aren't mafia. We don't have innocents to give up. We need to find mafia.

[IceH2O]

So Ice you are not buying her exchange with JL? That could be telling if you are correct. I read her as truthful then.


You've seen the posts I pulled.

My biggest problem is why point out that since I wasn't hit I must be mafia but that was never brought up by Kash or Fire about JL. JL is just as good as I am at mafia.

[IceH2O]

noodles62-Still think she is mafia, communcating with luv bugs.
Luvbugz-^ mafia
Kashta- Innocent this game, could change though
Dopehand- innocent
Agassizii- don't no, doesn't post. probably mafia but who the heck knows.
IceH2O-innocent for now, got FD
rich311k- 50/50 some things mafia, some innocent.
johnlarson66- innocent for now, helping out the town.


after thinking, yes I know I changed my mind, but I am trying to find where the doctor investigated and just reading, I am thinking JL is mafia. Why, no one has really pointed the finger at him and made him choke. I also am thinking why would luvbugs be so easy to tell she is mafia? I think she might be a innocent.

So in the span of 5 posts Luv goes from mafia to innocent and JL goes from innocent to mafia?

Dude seriously, read the thread, skim it if you have to just to get a feel then write down who you think is mafia. From there look into their posts to determine how you feel about them. Then get back to us.

[The Red Severum]

JL is just as good as I am at mafia.

Which is why I think he is mafia. If I get lynced or hit, I blame it on JL. He is going to say I am bad at this game etc, but he is playing this to well to be a innocent. He knows who to just point at, and he knows who to grill. I would pick out quotes, but almost every post he only hits certain people.

[The Red Severum]

Yes ice I changed, I listened and needed to go reread, and now I come back with conclusions. If you are innocent, we need to get rid of the best player/ best mafia.
I vote to lynch johnlarson

[IceH2O]

It looks to me like JL is becoming desperate to point out who is mafia. How pointless, and the more you talk JL the more you look like mafia to me..






noodles62-Still think she is mafia, communcating with luv bugs.
Luvbugz-^ mafia
Kashta- Innocent this game, could change though
Dopehand- innocent
Agassizii- don't no, doesn't post. probably mafia but who the heck knows.
IceH2O-innocent for now, got FD
rich311k- 50/50 some things mafia, some innocent.
johnlarson66- innocent for now, helping out the town.




after thinking, yes I know I changed my mind, but I am trying to find where the doctor investigated and just reading, I am thinking JL is mafia. Why, no one has really pointed the finger at him and made him choke. I also am thinking why would luvbugs be so easy to tell she is mafia? I think she might be a innocent.




So after night fall JL is mafia then this afternoon innocent then a bit later after being shown Noodles is innocent he says JL is mafia.

[rich311k]

Yes ice I changed, I listened and needed to go reread, and now I come back with conclusions. If you are innocent, we need to get rid of the best player/ best mafia.
I vote to lynch johnlarson

Is it because you think he is mafia or because you think he is the best player?

[Dopehand]

Sorry I've been out, my AC died last night and before I got it fixed my tanks got to dangerous temperatures, killing all but two of my peacock goby fry Q . Q. I worked after that. Doesn't look like I missed a whole lot, though.

[IceH2O]

Nah,its extremely quiet.

Thought others would have some ideas. Guess not. I'll be gone most of tomorrow as I assume most will so I hope Sunday has some discussion.

[Dopehand]

I still believe that AG and JL are mafia. When I voted for AG, JL went beast mode on me. I don't think AG is as passive as is surmised from his lack of posting. I think it's part of a strategy to make us lynch one another and ignore the real threats. It just makes sense to me, is all.

[IceH2O]

I still believe that AG and JL are mafia. When I voted for AG, JL went beast mode on me. I don't think AG is as passive as is surmised from his lack of posting. I think it's part of a strategy to make us lynch one another and ignore the real threats. It just makes sense to me, is all.


I don't know, I'd vote Ag before I would you but if I were mafia and Ag was on my side I'd let your vote on them slide and not bring any attention to it.
Though he did say something about Jm voting AG also.. Something to the affect he is just a body.

I think he thinks Kash is mafia and with you pulling off her that you placed a safe vote on her when it was possible and now that others will be voting her you go somewhere else.

I'd vote Ag but it doesn't lead us anywhere at all. He has left no trail at all. Kash is a better suspect IMO.

[IceH2O]

I am gonna agree with this. MC does seem to be trying to make much noise and get others put in the spotlight. If it is not split 50-50 then he is most likley putting more innocents in the spotlight then mafias.

I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids!

Sorry that I have not been around much. I have been getting more hours at work lately and I'm taking whatever hours I can get.


This is the only post/vote Ag made. He has 1 other fluff post at games start.

In his post he quoted something Kash said then placed his vote. Might do others good to look at the entire post. For those who don't know how click the little box with arrow in the quote box.

Basically he took Kashs idea and used it as an explanation for his vote. Think maybe he was directed to do so by her?

[Dopehand]

Possibly, but if Kashta was directing him, you'd think he'd vote more often. Particularly since he views the thread periodically. I have tomorrow off, so I'd love to hear some theories to kick around.

[Luvbugz]

Hi all. Sorry I haven't been around much. I won't be around at all today, but I should be back Sunday before nightfall. I have one thing that doesn't sit with me well and I want others thoughts on it. I am starting to believe that Kash isn't mafia. The reason being is this: If Kash was mafia why would she say about JL not being able to be hit the second nightfall because of the hits already being turned in. If she was mafia, she woulda known this wan't the case and been easily called on it (which she was by Ice). Why bring attention to herself and her possible partner in crime? To me, it doesn't make sense. I am starting to lean towards Kash not being mafia because of this.

I do agree with Dopehand about JL coming unglued when fingers were being pointed at Agass. I said something to the effect of the reason why Agass might have visited Jpap's profile page was to pm him to get the addy for the mafia chat board. He got very defensive about that. Seems a little odd for him to be caring so much about what others opinions are about Agass.

[Luvbugz]

Possibly, but if Kashta was directing him, you'd think he'd vote more often. Particularly since he views the thread periodically. I have tomorrow off, so I'd love to hear some theories to kick around.

I think if Agass was being coached (which I am leaning towards. Maybe/maybe not by Kash, but by someone) I don't think they woulda have him vote more. I think he was hanging around for a last minute vote last nightfall, but was called out by me and Ice. I think he was probably then coached not to even vote because it would have been too telling. What would he have done last night? Voted last minute to save FD? That woulda been too easy to pick him off this nightfall.

[Luvbugz]

I am with your thought process Ice, I would rather figure out who is pulling Agass's strings than go after Agass himself because it doesn't help much by lynching him first.

I do think it is interesting how JL got outta voting for Agass at all by throwing a vote on Dopehand. He suspected Kash, but she begged for votes and claimed her innocence so he retracted his vote. Instead of going for his next biggest suspect which was Agass, he threw a vote on Dopehand. Thoughts??

[Luvbugz]

Okay I am off for the day. Will be back tomorrow. I have put up my thoughts and hope I will have some discussion on them when I get back. I am leaving my vote on Kash for now, but it might change when I get back. I need to do more thinking and some rereading.

[IceH2O]

I wish JL was here to answer this. I'm going to post my thoughts just for discussions sake and so I can pull it for him to answer on Monday.



jm1212, you are going to vote for Luv????

How about Kash or AG?

They seem about the best two. Luv was not even on the wanted poster...


Here Ice points out that Agi visited jpaps profile page,



Seems to me that noods came to the only reasonable reason,



So why no vote for Agi?





I think Agi voted the first day,



I am on the fence, I am wondering why Ice and Luv are quick to go on Kash and give AG a pass.

I am trying to think who is (or was) the brains of the mafia. Was it jpap or FD? Is there someone else? That is two veteran players, random odds has to be that a noob is on there somewhere.


Here he asks Jm if he will vote Agi or Kash, we know he voted Kash then retreated to Dopey,while asking others why Agi. He even wondered why Luv and I voted Kash while giving Agi a pass.


g/o well i guess this is where i make my leave. when i signed up i was hoping it would go a little faster, but hey, it happens. i'll be on a cruise for the next 7 days, but i'll get back Thursday afternoon, maybe in time to make a vote if there is one on Thursday. there better not be though....you guys need to figure this out before then. there are probably only two or three of them left. g/o

noodles is a citizen.

dont know if im going to carry over my vote, or vote for someone else.


Have fun on the cruise Jm



Is jm1212 claiming to be the doctor? Is this why he was asking my thoughts on the doctor?

I am 100% okay with this claim and doubt anyone will say he isn't the doctor.

I take JM off my suspect list and have him and noods as innocent. I wish he would have investigated me. All the crap I gave him he could have at least investigated me.

For the record, power roles are often confused with mafia. I don't think this is a mafia ploy.


Jl why did you out the DR? Jm didn't come right out and say it but it was obvious from his post. I noticed it right away but didn't mention the Dr aspect.As you see I didn't even quote it as to not bring it to light he was the Dr.
I see no reason to have to have him clarify he was.


If JL and Agi were team mates I don't see why JL would bring him to the forefront, it would be easier for him to place doubt in other directions and let Agi slide back to the outer limits of town.

I need to go back and look into JL. Did he ever build a case against Kash? Kash never really did JL. She did put us as a team and it could be so if JL was lynched and mafia that the town would go after me next.

I wonder if JL didn't jump off Fire for 2 reasons. 1 if he jumped to me and I didn't jump he would have been the kill vote on an innocent.2nd if he jumped to me I would have jumped to him for the tie and if he died it would have cemented my innocence.


Just some thoughts I need to get out there and be able to reference later.

Unless Kash can convince me otherwise I'm staying put. I just don't know that given what I've looked over if JL is mafia or not. I'm hoping we're only looking for 2 but what if there are 3 and its Kash JL and Agi?

[noodles62]

Hi all. Sorry I haven't been around much. I won't be around at all today, but I should be back Sunday before nightfall. I have one thing that doesn't sit with me well and I want others thoughts on it. I am starting to believe that Kash isn't mafia. The reason being is this: If Kash was mafia why would she say about JL not being able to be hit the second nightfall because of the hits already being turned in. If she was mafia, she woulda known this wan't the case and been easily called on it (which she was by Ice). Why bring attention to herself and her possible partner in crime? To me, it doesn't make sense. I am starting to lean towards Kash not being mafia because of this.

I do agree with Dopehand about JL coming unglued when fingers were being pointed at Agass. I said something to the effect of the reason why Agass might have visited Jpap's profile page was to pm him to get the addy for the mafia chat board. He got very defensive about that. Seems a little odd for him to be caring so much about what others opinions are about Agass.

I disagree with this completely. I have not seen JL or anyone come unglued or defensive in regards to Agass. Here are John's posts regarding Agass. Not seeing any defense or "coming unglued"


jm1212, you are going to vote for Luv????

How about Kash or AG?

They seem about the best two. Luv was not even on the wanted poster... He actually seems to be defending you, Luv!


Kash, this might be impossible for you to believe, but there is a chance that Ice and I are both innocent, it has happened before and it has come to the end.

Let's say you are innocent. Can the town spare an innocent at this stage of the game?

I have an hour left before I am away for the weekend.

Let's assume there are two mafia left and atleast one is on the wanted list. I think there are two, but could be wrong.

My top two (not including you) are Dope and AG.

I am willing to vote them. I am unwilling to vote JM, noods, Luv, Ice.

What do you got? Again stating Agass is at the top of the lst...no defense or coming unglued


Since AG is not posting at all or even voting, I am guessing they are watching and are just clueless. If they are mafia, they are just a body and not much help. TRS is a body also.[/QUOTE]
Again, no defense.....:huh:

[QUOTE=johnlarson66;2032187]Here's an alternate idea for you!

I vote to lynch Dopehand.

The more you talk in circles the more I think you are mafia. The more I look at the voting and how the votes have landed, I am less convienced of Kash being mafia.

I completely forgot about TRS and AG is very forgetable. I do not know when AG visited jpap's profile, but the person that pointed it out (Ice) is unwilling to vote for AG because Ice wants to see Kash squirm. I know that players of the game check out peoples profiles. I am sure the mafia would know how to talk to each other and I have NEVER used a profile as a way to communicate to other mafia.

I have too much doubt on the other players and feel strongest about Dopehand. Again not coming unglues, but does defend the visit to Jpaps profile. However what he said is very true....


Since I am a fairly simple person, I have no clue what you are saying.

From what I am able to translate you are asking me why do I care what order the mafia are lynched.

I am concerned about being quick to jump. You were a bad vote choice before because you were not that active. Now that you are active, you are a good lynch choice.

I am limited on my time, as my day is over and I will not be back until Monday at noon, I have to really look at things.

The reasons for not voting you are gone, but the reasons for voting you are still there.

I am unable to quote anything, due to my time being up, but I hope others follow me in lynching Dope.

Here he placed his vote for Dope, with reasons.

Luv, I am not seeing any coming unglued. Please quote some posts as i obviously have missed them. It makes me a little nervous that you are working hard to get another player in the spotlight with reeally no validation.....and in the process taking the spotlight off of Kash...

[noodles62]

OK - TRS is either mafia or a HUGE liability as a citizen!


It looks to me like JL is becoming desperate to point out who is mafia. How pointless, and the more you talk JL the more you look like mafia to me.. Is that not the objective of the game? :wall:


"TRS I am undecided on. I certainly do not trust him at all."
Why? Because your mafia and you know I innocent? Care to explain more? More wisdom....


noodles62-Still think she is mafia, communcating with luv bugs.
Luvbugz-^ mafia
Kashta- Innocent this game, could change though
Dopehand- innocent
Agassizii- don't no, doesn't post. probably mafia but who the heck knows.
IceH2O-innocent for now, got FD
rich311k- 50/50 some things mafia, some innocent.
johnlarson66- innocent for now, helping out the town.

Bad mafia player or citizen without a clue? You decide.


What where?


after thinking, yes I know I changed my mind, but I am trying to find where the doctor investigated and just reading, I am thinking JL is mafia. Why, no one has really pointed the finger at him and made him choke. I also am thinking why would luvbugs be so easy to tell she is mafia? I think she might be a innocent.


Which is why I think he is mafia. If I get lynced or hit, I blame it on JL. He is going to say I am bad at this game etc, but he is playing this to well to be a innocent. He knows who to just point at, and he knows who to grill. I would pick out quotes, but almost every post he only hits certain people.

Playing too well to be innocent! Well, that sure does sound like mafia to me! Perhaps he (& toerhs) know who to point fingers at and grill, Because he actually reads the thread!!!"


Yes ice I changed, I listened and needed to go reread, and now I come back with conclusions. If you are innocent, we need to get rid of the best player/ best mafia.
I vote to lynch johnlarson
(but only if you are innocent, right?) :confused:


TRS was on the wanted poster, his playing is very erratic and seemingly clueless and uninformed. Scary no matter which way you look at it. He has definately moved up on my list.....

[noodles62]

I will most likely not be back until later this evening. Hopefully I will some feedback.

[Dopehand]

Since AG is not posting at all or even voting, I am guessing they are watching and are just clueless. If they are mafia, they are just a body and not much help. TRS is a body also.

After JM puts a vote on him, he tries to talk him out of it and starts implying "ag isn't useful if mafia" and then quickly replies to my post with a vote for me. I wouldn't say he is outright defending Ag, it's like subtle, quite possibly desparate shenanigans. That is why AG+JL top my list.

Though I will say if I'm genuinely off base with Ag, then TRS suddenly backing my opinion would lead me towards him instead. Taking into the account that I might be wrong, I'd rather be wrong about AG than JL.

[The Red Severum]

Noodles your clueless. I voted for JL because he is mafia, look how he avoids some players. Noods why are you trying to take the attention off of JL and put it on me? Right now I believe dope and ice are innocents. Kash, can you do something productive and take your vote off yourself and vote for JL. I know this is taking a big leap and some of you may think I am crazy, but usually I am right when I take a leap at someone. (as in kash the last two games)

I am mafia because I agree with your statement dope? The innocents are in huge trouble, why, because we were at a huge disadvantage in the start by not communcating.

Follow me and lynch JL. If worse comes to worse and I am hit, then you know who to hit. But then again, if I am lynced you will see I am innocent, and still not believe me.

[noodles62]

Noodles your clueless. I voted for JL because he is mafia, look how he avoids some players. Noods why are you trying to take the attention off of JL and put it on me? Right now I believe dope and ice are innocents. Kash, can you do something productive and take your vote off yourself and vote for JL. I know this is taking a big leap and some of you may think I am crazy, but usually I am right when I take a leap at someone. (as in kash the last two games)

I am mafia because I agree with your statement dope? The innocents are in huge trouble, why, because we were at a huge disadvantage in the start by not communcating.

Follow me and lynch JL. If worse comes to worse and I am hit, then you know who to hit. But then again, if I am lynced you will see I am innocent, and still not believe me.

Number one: I am not clueless.
Number two: I feel I can trust John more than I can trust you.
I am not trying to take the attention off of John, I simply do not agree with you nor trust your so called judgement. To be honest, you scare the hell out of me and there is no way I would follow your lead or advice.
I do not "know" if you are mafia or not, but I do not agree with your line of thinking and feel that you are dangerous.
" usually I am right when I take a leap at someone"; and we should be follow you because of your experience and knowledge? I don't think so....

[Dopehand]

I wouldn't say I necessarily believe you are mafia, but I could almost see you distancing yourself from JL with these comments. Perhaps knowing your input wouldn't be taken for it's word, maybe you are subtly dispersing doubt by transferring your attention to JL? This could serve to indirectly weaken the arguments against his innocence...........

[noodles62]

I wouldn't say I necessarily believe you are mafia, but I could almost see you distancing yourself from JL with these comments. Perhaps knowing your input wouldn't be taken for it's word, maybe you are subtly dispersing doubt by transferring your attention to JL? This could serve to indirectly weaken the arguments against his innocence...........

Wah?! :confused: Maybe in layman terms . I ain't got your edumacation.....

[The Red Severum]

Of coarse I am distancing myself away from JL, he is mafia! doh and I don't understand the rest of what you said.

[Dopehand]

Wah?! :confused: Maybe in layman terms . I ain't got your edumacation.....

Okee doke. Basically, I was saying this: It is possible that using the Red Severum to fling mud at JL would take popular opinion in another direction because people are tending to discount TRS' opinions for whatever reason.

I'm saying it's a possible mafia ruse, as the posting has been intermittent from him (?). If they wanted to save JL, they could do it passively by having somebody that some of the citizens tend to ignore throw out some corny arguments against him.

Pure conjecture (theory).

Sorry, I'll try to be a little more concise. :P

[noodles62]

thanks for the "smaller words". I am really not stupid, just get "befuddled' by flowery, round about talk; I prefer direct and to the point. Just me. :huh:
I agree that TRS could very possibly be a pawn in the Mafia's big plan. He is certainly taking attention away from others with his erratic posts. Hence, exactly why he is one of the top three on my list.

[Dopehand]

thanks for the "smaller words". I am really not stupid, just get "befuddled' by flowery, round about talk; I prefer direct and to the point.

Just to be clear, I'd never imply somebody is more or less intelligent because of their knowledge of words. Memorization and Intelligence are worlds apart, and I never want to come off as elitist to you guys, it's just the way I write. There's lots to be said for clear, to the point diction. Sometimes I just get off track and sound a little silly. :silly:

[noodles62]

Just to be clear, I'd never imply somebody is more or less intelligent because of their knowledge of words. Memorization and Intelligence are worlds apart, and I never want to come off as elitist to you guys, it's just the way I write. There's lots to be said for clear, to the point diction. Sometimes I just get off track and sound a little silly. :silly:

Not silly at all, but it is too easy to get confused about what you are really saying. ;)

[Dopehand]

how about some top 3 lists? mine consists of JL, Ag, and TRS+Kash in at a distant 3rd.

[noodles62]

Ya know what? just for discussion's sake - I retract my vote on Kashta and vote to lynch Luvbugz. too much seems to be falling into place for the little "Meltdown mary". Too many people are defending her. She had been on my list at the beginning. I find that my first instincts are the most likely to be correct. See my previous posts for clarification of my reason. I have made it quite clear. I know she is not on the wanted poster, but I cannot shake the feeling that she is scum.

[noodles62]

how about some top 3 lists? mine consists of JL, Ag, and TRS+Kash in at a distant 3rd.

Off the top of my head, I would guess, Luvbugz, Agass and Ice. Of course I am not certain but that is my "instant answer"........ just to be clear, I would in no way discount anyone at this point with the exception of JM (and myself, of couse). People are just too slick...

[Dopehand]

Luvbugz does behave..........oddly. Shamelessly, even. I suppose she'd kind of slipped from my mind with her recent lack of shenanigans.

[noodles62]

:omg: I just looked at the post count and even though I have been uncharistically (sp?) quiet, I am still WAY ahead in the posts! :lipssealedsmilie:

[noodles62]

Off the top of my head, I would guess, Luvbugz, Agass and Ice. Of course I am not certain but that is my "instant answer"........ just to be clear, I would in no way discount anyone at this point with the exception of JM (and myself, of couse). People are just too slick...

oops! Should say myself, of course. I might speak fairly well, but my typing stinks! LOL

[noodles62]

well, dope, I guess you and I are the only two here. I need to go shower now. Maybe tommorw there will be more participation......

[The Red Severum]

I tried, but nobody listens to me anyways LOL

[noodles62]

You tried what? To convince us that you "know all, see all"? Not buying it. You are not experienced enough or good enough to have the Mafia game instinct, therefore you scare me and I will most likely never follow your lead.



I tried, but nobody listens to me anyways LOL


Noodles your clueless. I voted for JL because he is mafia, look how he avoids some players. Noods why are you trying to take the attention off of JL and put it on me? Right now I believe dope and ice are innocents. Kash, can you do something productive and take your vote off yourself and vote for JL. I know this is taking a big leap and some of you may think I am crazy, but usually I am right when I take a leap at someone. (as in kash the last two games)

I am mafia because I agree with your statement dope? The innocents are in huge trouble, why, because we were at a huge disadvantage in the start by not communcating.

Follow me and lynch JL. If worse comes to worse and I am hit, then you know who to hit. But then again, if I am lynced you will see I am innocent, and still not believe me.


Of coarse I am distancing myself away from JL, he is mafia! doh and I don't understand the rest of what you said.


after thinking, yes I know I changed my mind, but I am trying to find where the doctor investigated and just reading, I am thinking JL is mafia. Why, no one has really pointed the finger at him and made him choke. I also am thinking why would luvbugs be so easy to tell she is mafia? I think she might be a innocent.


Which is why I think he is mafia. If I get lynced or hit, I blame it on JL. He is going to say I am bad at this game etc, but he is playing this to well to be a innocent. He knows who to just point at, and he knows who to grill. I would pick out quotes, but almost every post he only hits certain people.


Yes ice I changed, I listened and needed to go reread, and now I come back with conclusions. If you are innocent, we need to get rid of the best player/ best mafia.
I vote to lynch johnlarson

[The Red Severum]

Ha see thats your fault noodles, and after this game you will listen to me. JL is a mafia memeber. Whats the point of quoting all my posts? Dope sees what I see and how JL is mafia. You don't, and its going to kill the innocents.

[noodles62]

Ha see thats your fault noodles, and after this game you will listen to me. JL is a mafia memeber. Whats the point of quoting all my posts? Dope sees what I see and how JL is mafia. You don't, and its going to kill the innocents.


OK....I have not noticed where Dope or anyone else for that matter has agreed with your line of thinking...can you say "Dillusions of Granduer"?

[The Red Severum]

how about some top 3 lists? mine consists of JL, Ag, and TRS+Kash in at a distant 3rd.

Lets see, if someone is on the top of someones list, don't they think there mafia. Or am I wrong noodles? Do you see something I don't see?

[Dopehand]

If people fail to listen to you, you just have to keep chipping away. I had a lot of ground to make up for coming in late and being new and all that. I deserved the initial razzing, but I'm sure I'll be taken seriously by someone about something sooner or later. Unless mum was right all along. XD

Just let your conclusions and logic do the talking, do what you can. Unless your mafia, in which case I suggest you give yourself a vigorous wedgie.

[noodles62]

Lets see, if someone is on the top of someones list, don't they think there mafia. Or am I wrong noodles? Do you see something I don't see?

WTH?! You make absolutely no sense, and you do not have a grasp on the English language to pull it off! Care to list who your supsects are? Or are you not in this for the town to win?

[noodles62]

Ha see thats your fault noodles, and after this game you will listen to me. JL is a mafia memeber. Whats the point of quoting all my posts? Dope sees what I see and how JL is mafia. You don't, and its going to kill the innocents.

:lol: And for the record, I doubt I will EVER listen to you.

[The Red Severum]

look at the quote. dope said he thinks JL, which means johnlarson is on the top of his list. Are you sure you know how to read english?

[noodles62]

If people fail to listen to you, you just have to keep chipping away. I had a lot of ground to make up for coming in late and being new and all that. I deserved the initial razzing, but I'm sure I'll be taken seriously by someone about something sooner or later. Unless mum was right all along. XD

Just let your conclusions and logic do the talking, do what you can. Unless your mafia, in which case I suggest you give yourself a vigorous wedgie.

oh! that does not paint a pretty mental picture! Where in E. Wa. are you from, Dope?

[rich311k]

After reading this I am sorry i was off celebrating the day with family. I dont see any valid points made here today. Mostly name calling and issues with flowery language.

As I said earlier my list is Dope, AG, JL, Red. I will decide well before night fall who I will be voting for. For now Dope has done nothing to get off the list.

[IceH2O]

Off the top of my head, I would guess, Luvbugz, Agass and Ice. Of course I am not certain but that is my "instant answer"........ just to be clear, I would in no way discount anyone at this point with the exception of JM (and myself, of couse). People are just too slick...


Wow. Care to elaborate when I switched over to your mafia list?

[IceH2O]

Hi all. Sorry I haven't been around much. I won't be around at all today, but I should be back Sunday before nightfall. I have one thing that doesn't sit with me well and I want others thoughts on it. I am starting to believe that Kash isn't mafia. The reason being is this: If Kash was mafia why would she say about JL not being able to be hit the second nightfall because of the hits already being turned in. If she was mafia, she woulda known this wan't the case and been easily called on it (which she was by Ice). Why bring attention to herself and her possible partner in crime? To me, it doesn't make sense. I am starting to lean towards Kash not being mafia because of this.



That has already been discussed. Mafia will ask questions such as that above to appear innocent. I have done it in the past.

But I'm assuming you think this more because you think JL is mafia and there is no way this would happen if team mates.

I'm pretty sure JL isn't mafia, of course I have doubts as seen in my post. But if they are team mates why not bring JL into the picture back then? Its called distancing and there was no real distrust of JL at the time so it was safe to plant that seed. If JL had been lynched and mafia Kash looks good for bringing him down.

Don't read to much into it as I said I'm pretty sure JL is innocent but its an explanation for you to ponder.

[Dopehand]

oh! that does not paint a pretty mental picture! Where in E. Wa. are you from, Dope?

I'm from the Tri-City area.

[Dopehand]

Agass is still the most consistent mafia suspected player cross-list amongst the players. That being said, due to his inactivity a lot of people seem hesitant to throw a vote his way when there are more active mafia folk prowling. I understand that, but we're really divided on the remaining players.

[Luvbugz]

I have two things that have come to my attention when I have gone back and reread somethings. Did Dope change his vote from FD to Kash last lynch? Also FD moved her vote from Dope to Ice?? Was thre some distancing going on??

Originally Posted by IceH2O http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031860#post2031860)
Ice: Kash(512) Fire
Fire: Ice(518) Nood(608) JL(629) Dope(718)
Luv: Jm(519) Mav(682)
Dope: JL(522) Fire
Nood: Red(632)
JL: Luv(712)Rich
Kash: Dope(726)

Originally Posted by FireDancer7905 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031649#post2031649)
Alright Ice, at this point I'm happy to oblige you.

I retract my vote on Dope and vote to lynch Ice.

I know I'm NOT mafia. You're making an awfully big deal out of my "throw away" vote, when I am not the only one with a single vote out right now. Linking me to Noodles is ridiculous. Where have I even mentioned her, save my g/o post? Luv I can kinda see from day 1, but wouldn't have thought it would be dragged into day 3! And my list. Really? Do you think that if I were mafia that I would post suspicions like that? When it looks like I won't survive night? Right. I'm a much better team mate than that, when I've drawn the good fortune of communicating. This vote stays.

[IceH2O]

I have two things that have come to my attention when I have gone back and reread somethings. Did Dope change his vote from FD to Kash last lynch? Also FD moved her vote from Dope to Ice?? Was thre some distancing going on??

Originally Posted by IceH2O http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031860#post2031860)
Ice: Kash(512) Fire
Fire: Ice(518) Nood(608) JL(629) Dope(718)
Luv: Jm(519) Mav(682)
Dope: JL(522) Fire
Nood: Red(632)
JL: Luv(712)Rich
Kash: Dope(726)

Originally Posted by FireDancer7905 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031649#post2031649)
Alright Ice, at this point I'm happy to oblige you.

I retract my vote on Dope and vote to lynch Ice.

I know I'm NOT mafia. You're making an awfully big deal out of my "throw away" vote, when I am not the only one with a single vote out right now. Linking me to Noodles is ridiculous. Where have I even mentioned her, save my g/o post? Luv I can kinda see from day 1, but wouldn't have thought it would be dragged into day 3! And my list. Really? Do you think that if I were mafia that I would post suspicions like that? When it looks like I won't survive night? Right. I'm a much better team mate than that, when I've drawn the good fortune of communicating. This vote stays.




LOL...

I led the vote on Fire from the moment she placed the safe vote on Kash. Then tried to get as many players as possible to make sure she went last night.

[IceH2O]

how about some top 3 lists? mine consists of JL, Ag, and TRS+Kash in at a distant 3rd.


I guess my top 3 would be Kash Ag TRS. It would almost be a mercy killing for Kash to have these 2 as team mates . No wonder she voted herself LOL.

[IceH2O]

I know this is taking a big leap and some of you may think I am crazy, but usually I am right when I take a leap at someone. (as in kash the last two games)

.


Didn't you vote Noodles last night fall? A known innocent? Then put her on your list as mafia today till we showed you she wasn't?

I don't think you've even skimmed the thread much less read it to give us any reason to trust your judgment.

You're crazy ill informed posts are why you've moved into my suspect list above.

[IceH2O]

I have two things that have come to my attention when I have gone back and reread somethings. Did Dope change his vote from FD to Kash last lynch? Also FD moved her vote from Dope to Ice?? Was thre some distancing going on??

Originally Posted by IceH2O http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031860#post2031860)
Ice: Kash(512) Fire
Fire: Ice(518) Nood(608) JL(629) Dope(718)
Luv: Jm(519) Mav(682)
Dope: JL(522) Fire
Nood: Red(632)
JL: Luv(712)Rich
Kash: Dope(726)

Originally Posted by FireDancer7905 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2031649#post2031649)
Alright Ice, at this point I'm happy to oblige you.

I retract my vote on Dope and vote to lynch Ice.

I know I'm NOT mafia. You're making an awfully big deal out of my "throw away" vote, when I am not the only one with a single vote out right now. Linking me to Noodles is ridiculous. Where have I even mentioned her, save my g/o post? Luv I can kinda see from day 1, but wouldn't have thought it would be dragged into day 3! And my list. Really? Do you think that if I were mafia that I would post suspicions like that? When it looks like I won't survive night? Right. I'm a much better team mate than that, when I've drawn the good fortune of communicating. This vote stays.



Sorry Luv to many beers. I reread it again and I'm guessing you're talking about distancing between Dopey and Fire.

[noodles62]

Wow. Care to elaborate when I switched over to your mafia list?

I would like to retract that earlier post of mine. I named three that came immediately to my mind. I cannot trust you because of your skill, which is why your name came to mind, but I really have not seen anything that leads me to believe your mafia. I still do not trust Luv, TRS is at the very top of my list, 3rd? I have a wired feeling the way Rich is getting basically overlooked this entire game.

In regards to Luv, I wanted to lok at who voted for her. I just cannt shake the feeling I have...

Night one: MC (known SK), me, Rich and Mav (known innocent)
Night two: Mav, Ice, JM, Rich, DD (known innocnet)
Night 3: Mav & JM

Quite a few citizens have been voting for Luv all along. Night 2 when she was tied w/ DD for the lynch, no one pulled off to save her. This could clear Rich in that respect......

Right now my vote is on Luv but if no one else sees anything there, I would be willing to move to TRS. I am still not convinced on Kashta....

[noodles62]

oops, that should say wierd feeling, not wired! LOL

[Luvbugz]

Sorry Luv to many beers. I reread it again and I'm guessing you're talking about distancing between Dopey and Fire.

I am looking too much into this? What are the probablities that both voted for each other at the beginning of the day, but then found someway to switch by the end. Just coinicidence?? Here is my theory. Dope switched off of FD lastish minute. Agass was supposed to come in a put a vote on someone else to tie it up. Maybe me? Maybe JL? When we saw him and called him on it, he was then told not to vote at all. Thoughts on this??

Right now my list is Dope, Agass, Kash. I still can't let go of the Kash thing. I am really looking hard at Dope right now. We kinda have all just let him slide since he showed up. He has done a great job of not stirring the waters, so not to bring too much suspicion on himself. He has also done a great job of looking very protown.

[noodles62]

I am inclined to retract my vote for Luv.... I am still not convinced that Luv is innocent but I doubt anyone would follow me and vote her out tonite. I keep looking at Kashta but then I begin to doubt it; I keep going round and round on her.. Agass, I am unsure about altho I do have him leaning mafia; I would prefer to take out someone who is actually playing. TRS, is a radical and could easily be pursueded to vote for him.
This leads me to Dope; He did not vote at all on night one. Night 2, he placed the kill vote on DD and night three after he moved his vote off of FD, he was a lone vote on Kashta. He seems to be picking up the game very well for a first timer. makes me wonder who is coaching him.....I am almost certain I will place my vote on Dope, based on these things as well as other suspicions I have from his posts in general....

[Kashta]

Hey there folks. I'm back to the thread this morning and will continue posting again throughout the day.

g/o Hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable 4th of July. g/o

[Dopehand]

The reason I moved my vote from Fire Doll was because I did not want to be a repeat tiebreaker. Besides, the way the vote fell, fire doll was done for regardless. I just didn't want to be in on the lynching of ANOTHER innocent citizen, as I figured that would get me lynched.

As it happened, Fire WAS mafia(which I didn't completely believe at the time), so my vote happened to look that bad, when I was really just trying to keep from being implicated as instrumental in the death of another townie.

I urge you to think about whether you want to lose me, another citizen,as the game reaches it's critical point. I've certainly voted stupidly, but not in a premeditated, malicious way.

I'm not real optimistic about my chances at this point, particularly when JL gets back and most likely slaps another vote on me. I urge you to watch the patterns that emerge today. If I'm lynched, and then somebody is hit, you'll be down two more.

[The Red Severum]

I don't think dope is mafia, and i don't even think luv is mafia. I just feel like people are pushing dopehand, because of small things that IMO don't point in the direction of mafia.

[noodles62]

The reason I moved my vote from Fire Doll was because I did not want to be a repeat tiebreaker. Besides, the way the vote fell, fire doll was done for regardless. I just didn't want to be in on the lynching of ANOTHER innocent citizen, as I figured that would get me lynched.

As it happened, Fire WAS mafia(which I didn't completely believe at the time), so my vote happened to look that bad, when I was really just trying to keep from being implicated as instrumental in the death of another townie.

I urge you to think about whether you want to lose me, another citizen,as the game reaches it's critical point. I've certainly voted stupidly, but not in a premeditated, malicious way.

I'm not real optimistic about my chances at this point, particularly when JL gets back and most likely slaps another vote on me. I urge you to watch the patterns that emerge today. If I'm lynched, and then somebody is hit, you'll be down two more.

JL has already voted you. you make a good argument and your reasoning seems logical. I will try to evaluate everything before I change my vote.
For the record, i would bet money that i will be hit tonite. I really want to try to take out a mafia before I go and i am not so sure Kashta is one.....

[Luvbugz]

The reason I moved my vote from Fire Doll was because I did not want to be a repeat tiebreaker. Besides, the way the vote fell, fire doll was done for regardless. I just didn't want to be in on the lynching of ANOTHER innocent citizen, as I figured that would get me lynched.

As it happened, Fire WAS mafia(which I didn't completely believe at the time), so my vote happened to look that bad, when I was really just trying to keep from being implicated as instrumental in the death of another townie.

I urge you to think about whether you want to lose me, another citizen,as the game reaches it's critical point. I've certainly voted stupidly, but not in a premeditated, malicious way.

I'm not real optimistic about my chances at this point, particularly when JL gets back and most likely slaps another vote on me. I urge you to watch the patterns that emerge today. If I'm lynched, and then somebody is hit, you'll be down two more.


I am not understanding this. You weren't a tiebreaker on FD. FD already had 3 votes on her. You being the fourth. Everyone else had two.

[noodles62]

I don't think dope is mafia, and i don't even think luv is mafia. I just feel like people are pushing dopehand, because of small things that IMO don't point in the direction of mafia.


Can you give us any evidence to prove who is and who is not mafia? Just stating "I dont think" or " have a feeling' is not good enough. This is not a game based on psychic instincts.

[The Red Severum]

Fine, by the stuff dope has been posting, he has his own thoughts, which means he is not getting coached. Some people seem to be pushing dope for not apparent reason, where there is bigger subjects out there.

[noodles62]

Fine, by the stuff dope has been posting, he has his own thoughts, which means he is not getting coached. Some people seem to be pushing dope for not apparent reason, where there is bigger subjects out there.

Who are your top 3 suspects? I know one is JL, but who are the other 2?

[Luvbugz]

Who are the bigger people now TRS?? According to you, I was mafia. Now I am not. Noods was mafia. Now she isn't. So, who is mafia now??

I am hesistant to vote TRS. The reason being he is always erratic. Does erratic equal mafia?? I am not sure. I need more to go on with him. His behavior has been exploited by the mafia more than once, as the last games he was innocent. With that said, all of my mafia suspects have not been pointing fingers at all towards TRS. Makes me wonder why.....

[The Red Severum]

JL and AG for now, don't have a third one. I could say rich, but thats another dead end because he just flies under every ones radar. No one has brought me up, because there has been only 4 people posting the last 2 days.

[noodles62]

Who are the bigger people now TRS?? According to you, I was mafia. Now I am not. Noods was mafia. Now she isn't. So, who is mafia now??

I am hesistant to vote TRS. The reason being he is always erratic. Does erratic equal mafia?? I am not sure. I need more to go on with him. His behavior has been exploited by the mafia more than once, as the last games he was innocent. With that said, all of my mafia suspects have not been pointing fingers at all towards TRS. Makes me wonder why.....


Good points. I will think very carefully befroe I place a vote on him, if I do....I am trying to look at everyone and am getting a bit confused.....

Perhaps it is time for another list? time for another list. maybe this will help clear my mind.

Noods: innocent, of course! :)
Bugz: I am stuck on her role! Very well could be innocent but things arent sitting right for me......my vote is on her, but will most likely change.
Kashta: possibly mafia altho I am having a hard time coming up with a case against her. Would like to hear more from her today....
JM: Doc/innocent
Dope: leaning mafia for me right now.
TRS: radical play style, dangerous; possible mafia...?
Agass: not playing??? but that does not give him automatic innocence
Ice: very hard to read but has not given me any reasons to think mafia
Rich: very middle of the road - typical for Rich. Would love to hear more from him. I am concerned that no one has really "looked" at him....
JL: also hard to read, but again has not given me any reason to doubt him.

[noodles62]

Perhaps it is time for another list? time for another list. maybe this will help clear my mind.

Oops! Thought I corrected that!

[Luvbugz]

This is where my suspicions on Dope are building. He was here first day, but did not participate at all.

Originally Posted by jpappy789 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2025082#post2025082)
Dopehand- was online today at 5:14 pm (CST)
JL- last post was yesterday morning in the sign up thread
Agassizii- on today at 4:13 pm (CST)
TRS- was on the site yesterday

(I think the times are correct)

So out of all of them only the total newbs were on AC today but have not posted...what are the chances that both pulled a 3L? LOL

I went back and pulled this up. Remember this?? Agass and Dope were on the first day and probably recieved their pms where as by the timing TRS and JL did not.

MC started by voting for Dope because he was on but not posting. Jpap pretty much talked him outta it. Read below:



I suppose that since there are no UDs the mafia would want to get non-participating players out of the way early, but that is assuming those players are still innocent.


I don't agree with that logic. Why would you want someone around not contributing...I mean on day one there is a 50/50 chance they are either mafia or innocent right? Yes in a lot of the games the UD's are innocent but you never really know till balla reveals their identity.


How did what I say not make sense? A lot of the time (almost every game) the UDs hurt the town's numbers. This time around the mafia have to get rid of them. They know who is who, so they can target lynch the possible players who would otherwise UD rather than waste a hit on them which could be put to better use, like ousting a vet.

Even if they are not participating, if they are innocent they still keep us in the game longer. I don't know, I tend to lean to Coler's side on this argument.

Basically it comes down to this: are you willing to take a chance if they are not scum?


Jpap protecting Dope??? That is what it looks like to me....

[Luvbugz]

Oh, BTW this reasoning is also why he voted for Noods who first voted for TRS.

[Luvbugz]

I am really horrible at muli - quoting. It is all on page three. It looks to me that Jpap is talking MC outta voting for Dope by saying he is probably innocent.

[noodles62]

I am going to go ahead and move my vote. I was going to a few hours ago but wanted to wait.....JL has good instincts and if he is innocent, which I believe him to be, I will take his lead and vote for Dope. I see Dope as mafia more than I see Kashta...If I am wrong about JL, then I deserve to be hit tonite.

I retract my vote for Luvbugz and vote to lynch Dopehand.

[IceH2O]

This is where my suspicions on Dope are building. He was here first day, but did not participate at all.

Originally Posted by jpappy789 http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/ms_icons_blue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2025082#post2025082)
Dopehand- was online today at 5:14 pm (CST)
JL- last post was yesterday morning in the sign up thread
Agassizii- on today at 4:13 pm (CST)
TRS- was on the site yesterday

(I think the times are correct)

So out of all of them only the total newbs were on AC today but have not posted...what are the chances that both pulled a 3L? LOL

I went back and pulled this up. Remember this?? Agass and Dope were on the first day and probably recieved their pms where as by the timing TRS and JL did not.

MC started by voting for Dope because he was on but not posting. Jpap pretty much talked him outta it. Read below:









Jpap protecting Dope??? That is what it looks like to me....


See this is where you kill me.

Why is Jpap protecting Dopey and not Agi? Jpap pointed out that both of them were online to get their pms and knew the game had started.

I'm starting to think Kash is innocent and we've been right about you all this time. I also think Agi is mafia.

I retract my vote on Kash and vote to lynch Agi.

Luv saying pg 3 doesn't help me I don't know how many posts per page you use I use 40 so give me post numbers so I can check it out better.I'm going to look in the eman time but its much easier for others.


Noodles, all due respect but you're nuts. Are you buying Luvs reasoning? You were just voting her and now are voting for her latest suspect. I think you were right and Luv is mafia. I think JL is wrong about Dope. If Dopey wanted a good place to hide wouldn't it be best to have stayed on Fire and lynched a mafia?

[IceH2O]

Noods, there is a difference between hiding and not being on the site at all.

TRS was last logged on at 12:53 pm CST on Friday. The game started at 6:15 PM that same day. There is no way that TRS got his PM then, unless I am missing something here. TRS does not know his role therefore there is no way to say for sure that he is a mafia hiding.

And I am curious as to why you are giving JL a pass. He is in the same situation, and actually knows more about the game than TRS. It makes more sense to vote JL because he should be posting. But same thing, JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have a PM. If anyone should be questioned it is Dopehand who was online yesterday but stil hasn't posted. Yet you go after TRS?

I vote to lynch Noodles

Best I got so far.


You missed a very important post Luv. Jpap voted Noodles for going after TRS not Dopey. Here Jpap is protecting TRS not Dopey. He actually thinks Dopey should be looked at out of the 3 named.

[IceH2O]

Start at post 108 and basically through 130 or so to get the full effect of what Luv is saying.

[noodles62]

See this is where you kill me.

Why is Jpap protecting Dopey and not Agi? Jpap pointed out that both of them were online to get their pms and knew the game had started.

I'm starting to think Kash is innocent and we've been right about you all this time. I also think Agi is mafia.

I retract my vote on Kash and vote to lynch Agi.

Luv saying pg 3 doesn't help me I don't know how many posts per page you use I use 40 so give me post numbers so I can check it out better.I'm going to look in the eman time but its much easier for others.


Noodles, all due respect but you're nuts. Are you buying Luvs reasoning? You were just voting her and now are voting for her latest suspect. I think you were right and Luv is mafia. I think JL is wrong about Dope. If Dopey wanted a good place to hide wouldn't it be best to have stayed on Fire and lynched a mafia?

I understand what you are saying and I know it looks odd that I voted Bugz and them moved to her top suspect. To be honest tho, I was thinking about voting Dope since this morning. I have said many times that I have a bad feeling about Bugz that wont go away. The past day or two you and her have had quite a bit of dialogue which "seemed" (my interpretaion) like you had her leaning innocent. I tried to use this to quell my suspicions. No one has been looking at or questioning Bugz for a few days (RL time) so I thought maybe I was the only one thinking that way, so I must be wrong. I would be happy to change my vote back to Luvbugz if I thought others would also. I see no point in being a lone vote on what is most likely my last night...

[noodles62]

See this is where you kill me.

Why is Jpap protecting Dopey and not Agi? Jpap pointed out that both of them were online to get their pms and knew the game had started.

I'm starting to think Kash is innocent and we've been right about you all this time. I also think Agi is mafia.

I retract my vote on Kash and vote to lynch Agi.

Luv saying pg 3 doesn't help me I don't know how many posts per page you use I use 40 so give me post numbers so I can check it out better.I'm going to look in the eman time but its much easier for others.


Noodles, all due respect but you're nuts. Are you buying Luvs reasoning? You were just voting her and now are voting for her latest suspect. I think you were right and Luv is mafia. I think JL is wrong about Dope. If Dopey wanted a good place to hide wouldn't it be best to have stayed on Fire and lynched a mafia?

if you think Bugz is prob maifa then why the vote on Agass and not her? I agree that Agass is prob mafia, and has been told to lay low. easiest way to keep him from getting lynched. We cannot win unless we take them all out. With FD and Jpap gone, that leaves Bugz at the helm and Agass in the wings......heart still beating.......

[IceH2O]

I understand what you are saying and I know it looks odd that I voted Bugz and them moved to her top suspect. To be honest tho, I was thinking about voting Dope since this morning. I have said many times that I have a bad feeling about Bugz that wont go away. The past day or two you and her have had quite a bit of dialogue which "seemed" (my interpretaion) like you had her leaning innocent. I tried to use this to quell my suspicions. No one has been looking at or questioning Bugz for a few days (RL time) so I thought maybe I was the only one thinking that way, so I must be wrong. I would be happy to change my vote back to Luvbugz if I thought others would also. I see no point in being a lone vote on what is most likely my last night...


If she had shown on the wanted poster I'd jump but she wasn't.

I did have her leaning innocent but some of the posts she puts out bother the heck out of me.

I want to see more and research more before I'd vote her. If I remember correctly she wouldn't vote Fire because I was there but she had no problem following me to Kash.

[IceH2O]

if you think Bugz is prob maifa then why the vote on Agass and not her? I agree that Agass is prob mafia, and has been told to lay low. easiest way to keep him from getting lynched. We cannot win unless we take them all out. With FD and Jpap gone, that leaves Bugz at the helm and Agass in the wings......heart still beating.......


Kind of answered it before I saw your post but to add..

I would only be the 2nd vote on Luv, no one else really has her as a suspect.That would tie her with Agi but keep JL close enough to have Agi sneak in with a vote and make it a 3 way tie. We'd risk losing JL. Also Rich has JL as a top suspect and he could cause a 3 way tie. Not to mention Kash won't stay on herself and we don't really know which way she'd go.

[noodles62]

If she had shown on the wanted poster I'd jump but she wasn't.

I did have her leaning innocent but some of the posts she puts out bother the heck out of me.

I want to see more and research more before I'd vote her. If I remember correctly she wouldn't vote Fire because I was there but she had no problem following me to Kash.
Her not being on the poster was another reason I have been doubting my judgement....


Kind of answered it before I saw your post but to add..

I would only be the 2nd vote on Luv, no one else really has her as a suspect.That would tie her with Agi but keep JL close enough to have Agi sneak in with a vote and make it a 3 way tie. We'd risk losing JL. Also Rich has JL as a top suspect and he could cause a 3 way tie. Not to mention Kash won't stay on herself and we don't really know which way she'd go.

Makes perfect sense. I retract my vote on Dopehand and vote to lynch Agassizii
That puts four votes on him; JM cannot change, so we are safe there. We shall see how the others play it out.

[IceH2O]

Rich, I'll address this to you because you're the one asking. I am the best target now. I drew so much suspicion because I went after Ice. And that put me in the middle of things along with JL and Ice. It's impossible for us tell whether to believe JL or Ice at this point because they're both too good and they've both been the most influential players we have. With all three of us still in the game, the town is going to keep going back and forth trying to figure out who they can listen to. But the odds that JL and Ice are BOTH mafia is extremely low. The only way the town will be able to choose between them now is if I'm gone.

Since Fire turned out to be mafia, we can afford to lose another innocent without it costing us as much. So take me out with the next lynch. My role will be revealed then as innocent then, but it won't matter as long as you make sure you also lynch either JL or Ice the very next night. (It doesn't matter which one you pick between JL or Ice, the town could flip a coin on that call.)

JM protected himself until he comes back to help us. I'll be gone from the lynch.... Noodles will get hit now... and either JL or Ice will also be gone. That leaves either JL or Ice (whichever survived) still to help you unravel this with JM still able to protect.


One of the things thing that kills me about Kash is this post. Jm isn't going to be back till Thursday so he can't protect,unless as pointed out by me earlier Z let him send in multiple protections to cover all nights till he gets back.

If we lynch Kash tonight and she is innocent then lynch me and I'm innocent natural reaction is lynch JL and we possibly lose 3 innocents.

If Kash is mafia then no one follows her idea and if JL has ben playing us he gets off free because obviously we don't take anything she says as truthful. This scenario coupled with the pointing out I still haven't been hit but not pointing out that JL also hasn't been hit is why I kept my vote on Kash for so long.

I'm still debating if I want to go back there or not but since JL isn't around to answer questions it might be the safer route to follow thru on Agi.

[noodles62]

Good Lord, dont confuse me anymorethan necessary! Not having any investigations really sucks! We are just sitting ducks. (I made rhyme! LOL)

[Luvbugz]

See this is where you kill me.

Why is Jpap protecting Dopey and not Agi? Jpap pointed out that both of them were online to get their pms and knew the game had started.

I'm starting to think Kash is innocent and we've been right about you all this time. I also think Agi is mafia.

I retract my vote on Kash and vote to lynch Agi.

Luv saying pg 3 doesn't help me I don't know how many posts per page you use I use 40 so give me post numbers so I can check it out better.I'm going to look in the eman time but its much easier for others.


Noodles, all due respect but you're nuts. Are you buying Luvs reasoning? You were just voting her and now are voting for her latest suspect. I think you were right and Luv is mafia. I think JL is wrong about Dope. If Dopey wanted a good place to hide wouldn't it be best to have stayed on Fire and lynched a mafia?

Jpap doesn't defend Agi. Agi comes in not to much later after that and says something about having to reread everything and then disappears again. He does point to dopehand then MC votes Dope and then Jpap pretty much gets MC to switch his vote to me. It is all there, you just gotta reread it.

[Luvbugz]

Agazzi could still be mafia. Jpap leaving him outta the equation could be something. I was just pointing out that when MC pointed to Dope, Jpap seemed to talk him outta it. It was Jpap who pointed out Dope, then retracted on it. That make any sense?? My list is still Kash, Dope, Agass.

[Kashta]

One of the things thing that kills me about Kash is this post. Jm isn't going to be back till Thursday so he can't protect,unless as pointed out by me earlier Z let him send in multiple protections to cover all nights till he gets back.

If we lynch Kash tonight and she is innocent then lynch me and I'm innocent natural reaction is lynch JL and we possibly lose 3 innocents.

If Kash is mafia then no one follows her idea and if JL has ben playing us he gets off free because obviously we don't take anything she says as truthful. This scenario coupled with the pointing out I still haven't been hit but not pointing out that JL also hasn't been hit is why I kept my vote on Kash for so long.

I'm still debating if I want to go back there or not but since JL isn't around to answer questions it might be the safer route to follow thru on Agi.

I've been trying to give you more benefit of doubt today, Ice, than I have been (in case you are innocent) and I've been looking for ways to see you better in the role of citizen instead of mafia. But your last posts here with Noodles makes it very difficult not notice how persuasive you get and how effectively this approach works to sway the votes of others.

If you want to put your vote back on me, then vote me. This post sounds like you're trying to get Noodles to talk you into it first before you do it. And I can see how that would be a very good way of getting Noodles to follow along with your thinking. You've already managed to pull her vote off Dopehand and move to Agass instead in much the same way.

[Luvbugz]

You missed a very important post Luv. Jpap voted Noodles for going after TRS not Dopey. Here Jpap is protecting TRS not Dopey. He actually thinks Dopey should be looked at out of the 3 named.


This was BEFORE MC voted for Dope. Jpap pointed to Dope. MC voted for Dope. Jpap talked MC outta voting for Dope.

[Luvbugz]

I retract my vote for Kashta and vote to lynch Dopehand.

[noodles62]

Is Rich even playing? Have not had a whole lot of input from him....

[Luvbugz]

Is Rich even playing? Have not had a whole lot of input from him....

He said he would be back before nightfall. *shrug*


What is the vote count BTW??

[rich311k]

I was at my daughters welcoming her back from her honeymoon. I am doing water changes and reading the thread will post some more shortly.

[noodles62]

He said he would be back before nightfall. *shrug*


What is the vote count BTW??

I think it is---

Kash - 1 (herself!)
dope - 2
Agass - 4
JL - 1

no vote yet from Rich...........and of course Agass.

[Dopehand]

I've got to head to work now folks, so I won't be back prior to nightfall, unless I'm (un)lucky and the clients are few. Lynching me would be a grievous mistake. See you all on the otherside(maybe)!

[noodles62]

I've been trying to give you more benefit of doubt today, Ice, than I have been (in case you are innocent) and I've been looking for ways to see you better in the role of citizen instead of mafia. But your last posts here with Noodles makes it very difficult not notice how persuasive you get and how effectively this approach works to sway the votes of others.

If you want to put your vote back on me, then vote me. This post sounds like you're trying to get Noodles to talk you into it first before you do it. And I can see how that would be a very good way of getting Noodles to follow along with your thinking. You've already managed to pull her vote off Dopehand and move to Agass instead in much the same way.

For the record both Dope and Agass have been on my list for a while now. I have stated rpeviously that I could easily vote for either.....

[Kashta]

For the record both Dope and Agass have been on my list for a while now. I have stated rpeviously that I could easily vote for either.....

They're both on mine, too, Noodles. It's just that JL was voting Dope and looking for discussion about him from others and the way Ice keeps getting back now to Agass instead of Dope that gives me the feeling that JL and Ice aren't on the same team... which has been a problem for me in this for quite some time.

[noodles62]

They're both on mine, too, Noodles. It's just that JL was voting Dope and looking for discussion about him from others and the way Ice keeps getting back now to Agass instead of Dope that gives me the feeling that JL and Ice aren't on the same team... which has been a problem for me in this for quite some time.


Then how do you decide to trust JL over Ice or vice versa? eenie meenie miney moe? It is more likely to get enough votes to take out Agass right now. the way he is laying low is either a mafia tactic or he is afraid of us!

Dope is also on my short list but not as much as Agass. I still feel that Bugz is mafia, but the votes are not there to make that lynch work, so Agass is my next best bet. Ice makes sense to me, however he is not making up my mind for me. It really stinks that John is not here for this nightfall. It would be nice to hear his input as well.

Rich! Had enough time to read yet? Whatd'ya got?

[noodles62]

They're both on mine, too, Noodles. It's just that JL was voting Dope and looking for discussion about him from others and the way Ice keeps getting back now to Agass instead of Dope that gives me the feeling that JL and Ice aren't on the same team... which has been a problem for me in this for quite some time.

are you protecting Agass, kash? I had put out plenty of discussion on Dope but no one was really joining in.....your vote, of course is still on yourself.....:huh:

[IceH2O]

They're both on mine, too, Noodles. It's just that JL was voting Dope and looking for discussion about him from others and the way Ice keeps getting back now to Agass instead of Dope that gives me the feeling that JL and Ice aren't on the same team... which has been a problem for me in this for quite some time.


I've posted why I DON"T think Dopey is mafia.

I think JL is wrong about Dope. If Dopey wanted a good place to hide wouldn't it be best to have stayed on Fire and lynched a mafia?

Jpap voted Noodles for going after TRS not Dopey. Here Jpap is protecting TRS not Dopey. He actually thinks Dopey should be looked at out of the 3 named.

Nothing anyone has brought up has given me the mafia vibe. Show me a case against him besides feelings and I'll look at it. But I haven't seen anything.

[IceH2O]

Then how do you decide to trust JL over Ice or vice versa? eenie meenie miney moe?


My biggest problem with her and it keeps repeating. She doesn't trust JL but continually sides with him against me. Again I bring up the why haven't I been hit but no mention of why JL hasn't been hit.

[Luvbugz]

Kash since Agass and Dope are on your list are you going to vote for them?? Why keep a vote on yourself if you are innocent? Why not help get out the people you think are mafia??

[noodles62]

I've been trying to give you more benefit of doubt today, Ice, than I have been (in case you are innocent) and I've been looking for ways to see you better in the role of citizen instead of mafia. But your last posts here with Noodles makes it very difficult not notice how persuasive you get and how effectively this approach works to sway the votes of others.

If you want to put your vote back on me, then vote me. This post sounds like you're trying to get Noodles to talk you into it first before you do it. And I can see how that would be a very good way of getting Noodles to follow along with your thinking. You've already managed to pull her vote off Dopehand and move to Agass instead in much the same way.


They're both on mine, too, Noodles. It's just that JL was voting Dope and looking for discussion about him from others and the way Ice keeps getting back now to Agass instead of Dope that gives me the feeling that JL and Ice aren't on the same team... which has been a problem for me in this for quite some time.


My biggest problem with her and it keeps repeating. She doesn't trust JL but continually sides with him against me. Again I bring up the why haven't I been hit but no mention of why JL hasn't been hit.

In response to Kash...even "if" you are John are on the same team it does not mean that you have to agree 100%. There is not communication for the innocents in this game. I do not see how she can justify trusting one over the other. There is no basis for it.


Kash since Agass and Dope are on your list are you going to vote for them?? Why keep a vote on yourself if you are innocent? Why not help get out the people you think are mafia??

:thm: how about it Kash? You gonna leave your vote on yourself? We cannot afford a useless vote at this stage in the game.

[noodles62]

In response to Kash...even "if" you are John are on the same team it does not mean that you have to agree 100%. There is not communication for the innocents in this game. I do not see how she can justify trusting one over the other. There is no basis for it.


:thm: how about it Kash? You gonna leave your vote on yourself? We cannot afford a useless vote at this stage in the game.

* to clarify: "even if Ice and John are on the same team".....

[IceH2O]

Kash and Red.

Neither of your votes matter, going to make them count?

Rich you going to place a vote?

Placement could be interesting.

Think Agi will show and place one tonight?

Its basically 4-2 with 4 votes floating.

[rich311k]

I think Dope is mafia, I think JL is mafia and I think Ag is mafia. The most effective vote right note seems to be on Ag.

I vote lynch AG.

Sorry for the delay one of my filtes did not want to restart.

[Luvbugz]

I retract my vote for Dopehand and vote to lynch Agass.

I don't wanna leave any way that Kash and Agass can come in last moment and tie it up. I still think that Dope is mafia. I do truly think it is Kash, AG, and Dope. I think that Dope is voting for Ag as a distance tech and because a loss of Ag won't hurt their team. He got out of voting for Kash this time around by voting for AG.

[rich311k]

I vote to lynch Ag.

Typo the first time.

[noodles62]

Well, unless there is a lot of late switches, it looks like Agass is a goner. He better be mafia! :swear: LOL

Will be interesting to see where Kashta's vote winds up. Haven't seen TRS lately...

[Kashta]

Yes I'm changing my vote and I'm writing a post to go along with it...

The discussion I had with JL after the last nightfall showed me something that's finally made a difference in this for me. You all saw where I agreed to be lynched and asked the town to also take out either JL or Ice with the next lynching after that... JL told me that he could see the reasoning behind it but thought I'd gotten the math wrong and we couldn't afford to do it. I think JL was right btw, I hadn't actually worked out the math yet. But I still think we might be okay. I'm just not sure how many mafia there really are this time because the serial killer was expected to take a few hits against both sides not just innocents. But that's another question for us to find out, I guess.

I've thought a lot about John's reaction to what I did. He knew he was leaving and wouldn't be back and he had to make his final decision for this vote right then and there. He told me he wouldn't be back in time to change it and asked me if I was sure. I said yes. Then he thought it over and decided my plan wasn't going to work because we can't afford to lynch another innocent, like I was suggesting. Because of that... John decided to revoke his vote against me. He wasn't sure it would do any good and thought it would be risky in terms of numbers.. so he wouldn't do it. I thought we were sunk at the time. Then thinking about this afterward, I realized he'd just proved to me that he's not mafia.

This is the important part for me... the people on the mafia team already know my role. JL knew he was leaving that night and he couldn't switch his vote before nightfall. He had to real careful about that... he didn't have the luxury anymore of saying something one day and then doing the opposite a day later when it came time to vote.

If John was mafia he already had his vote on me with a probable majority of innocent townies already voting me (plus his mafia teammates) to guarantee that I would get lynched no matter what happened while he was gone. Then when John asked me if I was sure because it's a final vote he can't change later, I told him yes. John believed me because I'd just shown him I wasn't bluffing. (I figured that part out later btw.... If I was mafia, there's no way I'd be willing to go through with getting lynched by choice to voluntarily (1) cut down their number and (2) have my role revealed.... if I was innocent, I still wasn't bluffing or just pretending to say.. oh yea lynch me, go ahead... Because of the timing, we were both forced to make a final choice right then that we both knew neither of us could change later.) John believed me. He's not mafia and he doesn't want to lynch another innocent townie by mistake. He worked out the math further than I had and realized it was probably too risky to leave his vote on me... so he changed his mind.

Someone on the mafia team would not have done that in John's position because he would already know my role without any uncertainty and he already knew I was a sure bet to get lynched anyway. It was John's reluctance to lynch me or leave his vote on me that proved to me that he's not mafia. John took his vote off me and voted against Dopehand instead he decided must be his best suspect. Since I trust John to be a citizen (not mafia)... I also trust his skill level in the game and in his judgement. So I'm going to add my vote to his and ask everyone else in the game to do the same thing.

I retract my vote on Kashta and I vote to lynch Dopehand.

Seeing how others reacted to what went on, I also believe Rich is on the town side (we already know about Noodles). Rich wasn't certain either... he's had me listed at times as a suspect, but he questioned that as well - as did Noodles. Rich wouldn't have done that either if he was on the mafia team.

[noodles62]

Yes I'm changing my vote and I'm writing a post to go along with it...

The discussion I had with JL after the last nightfall showed me something that's finally made a difference in this for me. You all saw where I agreed to be lynched and asked the town to also take out either JL or Ice with the next lynching after that... JL told me that he could see the reasoning behind it but thought I'd gotten the math wrong and we couldn't afford to do it. I think JL was right btw, I hadn't actually worked out the math yet. But I still think we might be okay. I'm just not sure how many mafia there really are this time because the serial killer was expected to take a few hits against both sides not just innocents. But that's another question for us to find out, I guess.

I've thought a lot about John's reaction to what I did. He knew he was leaving and wouldn't be back and he had to make his final decision for this vote right then and there. He told me he wouldn't be back in time to change it and asked me if I was sure. I said yes. Then he thought it over and decided my plan wasn't going to work because we can't afford to lynch another innocent, like I was suggesting. Because of that... John decided to revoke his vote against me. He wasn't sure it would do any good and thought it would be risky in terms of numbers.. so he wouldn't do it. I thought we were sunk at the time. Then thinking about this afterward, I realized he'd just proved to me that he's not mafia.

This is the important part for me... the people on the mafia team already know my role. JL knew he was leaving that night and he couldn't switch his vote before nightfall. He had to real careful about that... he didn't have the luxury anymore of saying something one day and then doing the opposite a day later when it came time to vote.

If John was mafia he already had his vote on me with a probable majority of innocent townies already voting me (plus his mafia teammates) to guarantee that I would get lynched no matter what happened while he was gone. Then when John asked me if I was sure because it's a final vote he can't change later, I told him yes. John believed me because I'd just shown him I wasn't bluffing. (I figured that part out later btw.... If I was mafia, there's no way I'd be willing to go through with getting lynched by choice to voluntarily (1) cut down their number and (2) have my role revealed.... if I was innocent, I still wasn't bluffing or just pretending to say.. oh yea lynch me, go ahead... Because of the timing, we were both forced to make a final choice right then that we both knew neither of us could change later.) John believed me. He's not mafia and he doesn't want to lynch another innocent townie by mistake. He worked out the math further than I had and realized it was probably too risky to leave his vote on me... so he changed his mind.

Someone on the mafia team would not have done that in John's position because he would already know my role without any uncertainty and he already knew I was a sure bet to get lynched anyway. It was John's reluctance to lynch me or leave his vote on me that proved to me that he's not mafia. John took his vote off me and voted against Dopehand instead he decided must be his best suspect. Since I trust John to be a citizen (not mafia)... I also trust his skill level in the game and in his judgement. So I'm going to add my vote to his and ask everyone else in the game to do the same thing.

I retract my vote on Kashta and I vote to lynch Dopehand.

Seeing how others reacted to what went on, I also believe Rich is on the town side (we already know about Noodles). Rich wasn't certain either... he's had me listed at times as a suspect, but he questioned that as well - as did Noodles. Rich wouldn't have done that either if he was on the mafia team.

Kashta, I agree with you that John is innocent. (That may clear you in my mind)....However if John were here right now, would he still be on Dope? We do not know that. Also, just because we believe that John is innocnet, that does not automatically make Ice mafia. it is possible that they both are innocent this round. And I am sure the mafia is sitting back and having a good laugh as we pick eachother off. JM has also been proven innocent and he placed his vote on Agass. I would not be surprised at all if both Dope and Agass were mafia, however we need to take them out one at a time. right now, it looks like Agass takes the fall. I am sure there may be a select few that would move to Dope but we do not need to wind up with a dice roll again....JMO

[Kashta]

Kashta, I agree with you that John is innocent. (That may clear you in my mind)....However if John were here right now, would he still be on Dope? We do not know that. Also, just because we believe that John is innocnet, that does not automatically make Ice mafia. it is possible that they both are innocent this round. And I am sure the mafia is sitting back and having a good laugh as we pick eachother off. JM has also been proven innocent and he placed his vote on Agass. I would not be surprised at all if both Dope and Agass were mafia, however we need to take them out one at a time. right now, it looks like Agass takes the fall. I am sure there may be a select few that would move to Dope but we do not need to wind up with a dice roll again....JMO

You guys have been posting a lot. I've skimmed back a few pages to where I left off before. I'll have to go back through it all again. Maybe it doesn't matter either way between Dope and Agass. I think they're both mafia myself. My only problem with this is I'm inclined to believe JL made his choice one way before he left and Ice has been favoring the other. I'm inclined to trust JL now where I didn't before, despite the fact that I agreed with him a lot on different things. As it stands now, I still don't believe Ice is working for the town side.

I forgot to add that I also think Luvbugz is innocent. If Fire (who we know was mafia) was saving Luv (as mafia teammate), then Fire wouldn't have told us so when she voted.

Luv's game play also seems disconnected in this game. When Luv was innocent in Game 50, she seemed aggressive, somewhat confused, and she got defensive. As communicating mafia in Game 51, Luv seemed better focused, more reserved, and she didn't get defensive in that game at all.

[noodles62]

where is everyone? An hour til nightfall and this is it? wow............

[rich311k]

Either we will get a last minute flurry of activity or everyone is settled on their picks. I see no reason to change at this point.

[Kashta]

It got real quiet Noodles. A lot of people disappeared from the thread too.

[IceH2O]

I've thought a lot about John's reaction to what I did. He knew he was leaving and wouldn't be back and he had to make his final decision for this vote right then and there. He told me he wouldn't be back in time to change it and asked me if I was sure. I said yes. Then he thought it over and decided my plan wasn't going to work because we can't afford to lynch another innocent, like I was suggesting. Because of that... John decided to revoke his vote against me. He wasn't sure it would do any good and thought it would be risky in terms of numbers.. so he wouldn't do it. I thought we were sunk at the time. Then thinking about this afterward, I realized he'd just proved to me that he's not mafia.

This is the important part for me... the people on the mafia team already know my role. JL knew he was leaving that night and he couldn't switch his vote before nightfall. He had to real careful about that... he didn't have the luxury anymore of saying something one day and then doing the opposite a day later when it came time to vote.

If John was mafia he already had his vote on me with a probable majority of innocent townies already voting me (plus his mafia teammates) to guarantee that I would get lynched no matter what happened while he was gone. Then when John asked me if I was sure because it's a final vote he can't change later, I told him yes. John believed me because I'd just shown him I wasn't bluffing. (I figured that part out later btw.... If I was mafia, there's no way I'd be willing to go through with getting lynched by choice to voluntarily (1) cut down their number and (2) have my role revealed.... if I was innocent, I still wasn't bluffing or just pretending to say.. oh yea lynch me, go ahead... Because of the timing, we were both forced to make a final choice right then that we both knew neither of us could change later.) John believed me. He's not mafia and he doesn't want to lynch another innocent townie by mistake. He worked out the math further than I had and realized it was probably too risky to leave his vote on me... so he changed his mind.

Someone on the mafia team would not have done that in John's position because he would already know my role without any uncertainty and he already knew I was a sure bet to get lynched anyway. It was John's reluctance to lynch me or leave his vote on me that proved to me that he's not mafia. John took his vote off me and voted against Dopehand instead he decided must be his best suspect. Since I trust John to be a citizen (not mafia)... I also trust his skill level in the game and in his judgement. So I'm going to add my vote to his and ask everyone else in the game to do the same thing.




I'm not saying JL is mafia so take this with a grain of salt.


All this means nothing. If you are innocent and JL is mafia he doesn't need to vote you at all because as you said most the town wanted to take you down. His vote wasn't needed.

[IceH2O]

Taking it a step further.

If you're both mafia all he did was place a vote away from you onto another suspect hoping it would make the vote closer and giving you a fighting chance to survive.

If you are mafia and he is innocent then he bought your story and made a bad decision to which he can rectify when he returns.

I hope you are innocent because if not JL looks more mafia to me. But more because of your actions then his own.

[IceH2O]

Ok this wait is killing me so lets discuss what ifs.


If Agi is mafia who would be next on everyones list? I'd have to say Luv and Kash.

If Agi is innocent then I'm lost and the main reason I really didn't want to go here. Nothing really is learned from his death. Though I trust the people on Agi a ton more then the ones not on him.

[IceH2O]

Guess I should say if Agi is mafia then my top 3 would be Kash Jl and Luv I doubt its all 3, seems to be to many. I'd say 1 of those 3 at most 2 as that would be 5 mafia. But I'd want to take out Kash 1st of the 3.

[rich311k]

If Agi is innocent then I'm lost and the main reason I really didn't want to go here. Nothing really is learned from his death. Though I trust the people on Agi a ton more then the ones not on him.

That statement really sums up how you are looking at this.

I am not sure yet. Though luv seems a good choice.

[noodles62]

If Ag turns up innocent, then I am at a total loss. I would definately take another look at Bugz, Kashta, TRS and Rich........If he turns up innocent and I get hit tonite the town is in big trouble...

[Luvbugz]

If Agi is innocent, I have to look at you Ice.

If Ag is mafia, I am still looking at Dope and Kash.

I have a feeling I might get hit tonight. Kash cozying up to me last moment isn't sitting well with me. Is it to try and gain my trust so I won't vote for her next round??

[ZSandmann]

Here's a vote count since I've been out all day.

Kash: --Ice(956) --Luv(966) --JL(986) --Nood(1002) --Kash(1017)
Agas: Dope(1028) Jm(1046) Ice(1152) Nood(1159) Rich(1182) Luv(1183)
Dope: JL(1050) --Nood(1151) --Luv(1166) Kash(1186)
JL: Red(1078)
Luv: --Nood(1106)

Through 1197

[IceH2O]

If Agi is innocent, I have to look at you Ice.

If Ag is mafia, I am still looking at Dope and Kash.

I have a feeling I might get hit tonight. Kash cozying up to me last moment isn't sitting well with me. Is it to try and gain my trust so I won't vote for her next round??


Care to explain?

[Luvbugz]

Care to explain?

Well, you seemed to be really pushing the Agass thing. Also, when Noods voted for Dope you pretty much got her to pull off and vote Agass.

[IceH2O]

Well, you seemed to be really pushing the Agass thing. Also, when Noods voted for Dope you pretty much got her to pull off and vote Agass.


I can see that, its a valid reason. No right but at least its valid.

[IceH2O]

Not right*

Not right in the fact that I'm not mafia

[noodles62]

Well, you seemed to be really pushing the Agass thing. Also, when Noods voted for Dope you pretty much got her to pull off and vote Agass.


Contrary to (apparent) popular opinion, I do have a brain of my own. I was not coerced into moving my vote.

[rich311k]

If AG is innocent I will need to think on this. that would leave us in a hole.

If guilty - Luv, Dope, kash, JL all need further investigation.

[IceH2O]

But Luv why did you switch to Agass?

[ZSandmann]

Night Falls

[Luvbugz]

Agass has been one of my suspects. I thought Dope might have been more of the leader type aka better to be taken out at this time. Of course, 4 on Agass and 2 on Dope could have left it up to a toss up if Kash, TRS, or Agass came in last minute. Led me to think it would be better to move to Agass and not leave it to a toss up. What if Dope is innocent like alot of you believe? If I left it open for a toss up like that, it woulda been bad.

[ZSandmann]

Short and sweet I'm afraid.

The Town assembles before Bala after a day of celebrations in ACville. The 4th is a very popular Holiday even here. The choice for lynching has gone back and forth today but in the end Agassissizi (Bala forgets how its spelled) is tacked up to a giant bottle rocket and blasted into the atmosphere, they return with a fullfilling splat.

Agas is dead. They were Mafia!

[noodles62]

cha-ching!

[ZSandmann]

The Mafia is irked as you might imagine. One Citizen is blabbering on during the solemn quietness of Night. They grab her by the ponytail and tow her away into the shadows. Nothing is ever found of her again, although there is a sale on bulk fish food at the local pet shop for weeks.

Luvbugz is dead. She was a Citizen.

[ZSandmann]

Game On.

Night will be Tuesday at 8PM.

[Luvbugz]

:) Told ya!! Go gett'm townies! You can do it!!

[noodles62]

The Mafia is irked as you might imagine. One Citizen is blabbering on during the solemn quietness of Night. They grab her by the ponytail and tow her away into the shadows. Nothing is ever found of her again, although there is a sale on bulk fish food at the local pet shop for weeks.

Luvbugz is dead. She was a Citizen.


The plot thickens!.....sorry I doubted you Bugz.

At least we got one. :dance:

[IceH2O]

I vote to lynch Kash

The mafia are dumb. I think you'd have been better off hitting me then her. I know I wasn't protected. Jm thinks I'm mafia.

[IceH2O]

:) Told ya!! Go gett'm townies! You can do it!!


Hate to see you go but at least it lessens my suspect pool lol.

I doubt there are more then 1 mafia left, at most 2, but I still think that would be more then Z would put in especially with the SK being neutral.

[noodles62]

I vote to lynch Kash

The mafia are dumb. I think you'd have been better off hitting me then her. I know I wasn't protected. Jm thinks I'm mafia.

A kashta vote seems logical right now, but I want to go back and read again before I vote.......

I am really surprised to still be here. :)

[IceH2O]

A kashta vote seems logical right now, but I want to go back and read again before I vote.......

I am really surprised to still be here. :)


They didn't know if Jm protected himself,you or JL so they wouldn't want to waste a hit. They knew who wasn't protected and who is innocent so they had multiple other targets. I just think they chose wrong.

[noodles62]

I would say so!

[noodles62]

John will be back tomorrow right? I would love to hear what he has to say about Kashta's revelation...........

[rich311k]

Does seem like a bad idea to hit a suspect like that. I want to read before I vote but I am sure it will be Dope, Kash or JL. I am not that keen on JL. I can not see him hitting Luv tonight with better targets out there.

[IceH2O]

John will be back tomorrow right? I would love to hear what he has to say about Kashta's revelation...........


Yeah he said Mon at noon I believe.

I have to go back to work tomorrow been on vacation all last week.

[IceH2O]

Does seem like a bad idea to hit a suspect like that. I want to read before I vote but I am sure it will be Dope, Kash or JL. I am not that keen on JL. I can not see him hitting Luv tonight with better targets out there.


I agree, he had to see that Jm thought I was mafia and wouldn't be protecting me. If JL was mafia I would have been the hit.

[noodles62]

ugh! work....speaking of which, I think I am gonna call it a night. My day starts early....

[noodles62]

John!! You're back?!

[johnlarson66]

I have not read the thread, but I did skim nightfall. We just got back, but I really can't spend anytime online (I couldn't keep away). I wasn't sure if I was going to be around for another day,

Looks like there was plenty of posting.

Glad we got one, I am guessing there is just one left.

I will read and post tomorrow.

[Dopehand]

Even though we were correct about Ag, his(?) behavior mystifies me. I just don't understand why a mafia member would view the thread periodically and only throw in a couple posts. Backfired silence strategy, mayhaps? Luvbugz was my third pick..........I still don't feel rock solid about JL being mafia. TRS is still a favorite of mine, as I could see the mafia hit perhaps being orchestrated by him(?).

[Agassizii]

Sorry everyone for being inactive. As most of you know, I am new to this game and I don't know any you guys or any of your startegies, if there is any. In other words, I am somewhat confused. When I signed up, I read the rules and they didn't seem dificult. But now that I see the game being played I am confused.

It seems like it would be a great game. I think I will watch the next one and hope that that will help me better understand it.

[noodles62]

I think Kashta is the best bet right now. Dope is a close second. That being said:

I vote to lynch Kashta

Now I need my coffee :coffee:

[IceH2O]

My vote is on Kash but we need to also think if there were only 2 mafia left would Z put them both on the wanted poster.

If not then we need to look at those not on the poster, the only one not on the poster with any question to if they are mafia or not would be Rich at this time.,if I'm looking at who is left correctly.

I haven't really seen anything on Rich but I also don't want to leave that possibility out.

Yay work......:silly:

[noodles62]

I have been saying that Rich seems to be skating through without anyone looking at him, but I myself have not really seen anything......We certainly should look at everyone at this point. I am anxious to see if JL backs up Kashta's claim and does in fact think she is innocent.....

[The Red Severum]

I knew LB was a innocent, darn to bad. But I am glad that AG is gone and scum. I think everyone is starting to notice how scum JL is. He keeps pushing dope, which I think dope is a innocent, and so does JL, hence trying to get people to vote for him. I also think rich is mafia, he has been sitting in the shadows just playing it safe, and its time to exploit him.

[noodles62]

Just doing a little reading between projects at work....It is unfortunate that the Mafia hit Bugz, however based on the uncertainty some of us had about her (mainly me), they did solve that issue for us.....

Kashta, now that Ag has turned up mafia, what are your thoughts on Ice? You were concerned that he was pushing the Ag thing pretty hard......where does that put Ice then?

John, what are your thoughts on Kashta's claims of innocence? I know you have a lot of catching up to do, but I am anxiously awaiting your thoughts. LOL

TRS, you are moving down a bit on my list, but are not completey off the radar yet...

Rich, really need to hear more from you...not sure what to think.

oops! Here comes the boss with more work! Ugh. more later..........

[noodles62]

Just doing a little reading between projects at work....It is unfortunate that the Mafia hit Bugz, however based on the uncertainty some of us had about her (mainly me), they did solve that issue for us.....

Kashta, now that Ag has turned up mafia, what are your thoughts on Ice? You were concerned that he was pushing the Ag thing pretty hard......where does that put Ice then?

John, what are your thoughts on Kashta's claims of innocence? I know you have a lot of catching up to do, but I am anxiously awaiting your thoughts. LOL

TRS, you are moving down a bit on my list, but are not completey off the radar yet...

Rich, really need to hear more from you...not sure what to think.

oops! Here comes the boss with more work! Ugh. more later..........


to clarify: TRS you may have moved down the list a bit but I do not necessarily agree with your thoughts on JL.....

[johnlarson66]

Here's a vote count since I've been out all day.

Kash: --Ice(956) --Luv(966) --JL(986) --Nood(1002) --Kash(1017)
Agas: Dope(1028) Jm(1046) Ice(1152) Nood(1159) Rich(1182) Luv(1183)
Dope: JL(1050) --Nood(1151) --Luv(1166) Kash(1186)
JL: Red(1078)
Luv: --Nood(1106)

Through 1197

I am catching up.

The hit on Luv baffles me. There are only 3 of us that did not vote Agas. So I am assuming we are the top suspects. Which I understand.

I guess it matters how many mafia are even left.

I just don't see being snowed by Kash. TRS, well I have not even seen much from them.

I guess if I had to pick between the two.

I need to read more.

[noodles62]

I am catching up.

The hit on Luv baffles me. There are only 3 of us that did not vote Agas. So I am assuming we are the top suspects. Which I understand.

I guess it matters how many mafia are even left.

I just don't see being snowed by Kash. TRS, well I have not even seen much from them.

I guess if I had to pick between the two.

I need to read more.

Isn't it possible that a mafia member hid among the votes for Agas? I personally do not think you not voting Agas makes you suspicious - you were not here to make any moves or comments regarding your vote.....

[johnlarson66]

Since Agas was mafia, I think the numbers favor us. I can't see there being more than two left. I am guessing there is just one.

If there is just one, I can't see a mafia member voting for a teamate. Maybe if there were two left. If we are still going after me, TRS and Kash are gone then that will mean that a mafia member voted for Agas.

[Dopehand]

If agas' explanation is to be held as completely sincere, I would think that a mafia member would hold no compunctions about voting for them since they were largely inactive anyway and didn't understand how the game works. I don't think you could definitively say that the folks who voted ag aren't mafia themselves. While it would be nice to have the extra person, you could certainly gain credibility by lynching ag as well.

I'm pretty neutral on the ag lynch, I don't think a whole lot of conclusions can be drawn from it due to his inactivity.

[noodles62]

I would not be surprised if there are two mafia left. We started w/ 16 players (17, counting the SK) that would give us a ratio of 11/5 or 12/4. I lean towards the 11/5 (I prefer things in odd numbers!) :); but then again, I have never modded so not sure how things work best..

If we do indeed have 2 left, I could see one mafia sitting on Ag.....kinda; maybe; idunno! LOL it is possible tho.....
Regardless, we can only lynch one at a time.

Possibilities are:

Kashta
Dophand
TRS
Ice
Rich
JL

time to read some more............

[noodles62]

Sorry about the typo, Dope.....

[Dopehand]

On that list, I feel disinclined that Rich and Ice are mafia. Of the rest, I don't really favor one more than the other, as I have suspicions on all of them.

[The Red Severum]

I like how JL just ignores whatever I say, what are you not sticking up for yourself because you will hit me next nightfall?

[IceH2O]

On that list, I feel disinclined that Rich and Ice are mafia. Of the rest, I don't really favor one more than the other, as I have suspicions on all of them.


If enough of you think I'm mafia I'm more then willing to take the lynch to lower the suspect pool.

But I'm sticking to my Kash vote. I think she was trying to cuddle up to JL in hopes of him going against me and getting me lynched. Its funny she hasn't posted since night fall.

But I need to ask why do you think I'm mafia Dopey? You seem to have a really good grasp of the game so I'll be expecting a well laid out explanation.

[Kashta]

Sorry everyone for being inactive. As most of you know, I am new to this game and I don't know any you guys or any of your startegies, if there is any. In other words, I am somewhat confused. When I signed up, I read the rules and they didn't seem dificult. But now that I see the game being played I am confused.

It seems like it would be a great game. I think I will watch the next one and hope that that will help me better understand it.

Now he's confused? No offense intended to the new member/new player here, but I'm not buying this now at this stage of the game. For Agass to wait all this time to post this after being killed off instead of way back when he showed up to place a vote tells me that the mafia deliberately kept him hidden and protected by inactivity. As long as we kept overlooking him, he could easily have shown up again any time the mafia wanted him to. Even if he didn't know to get in contact with his teammates, Jpappy and Fire would certainly have iniated contact on their own and told him what to post and when to stay quiet.

[IceH2O]

If enough of you think I'm mafia I'm more then willing to take the lynch to lower the suspect pool.

But I'm sticking to my Kash vote. I think she was trying to cuddle up to JL in hopes of him going against me and getting me lynched. Its funny she hasn't posted since night fall.

But I need to ask why do you think I'm mafia Dopey? You seem to have a really good grasp of the game so I'll be expecting a well laid out explanation.


Forget it Dopey. I misread disinclined.

[rich311k]

I don't see Ice, though he could be fooling me.

Dope is still a possibility in my mind. He is playing better and better but that does not mean he is not scum.

TRS I can not figure. He just keeps pointing fingers at me.

Noodles is innocent.

Jm is innocent.

JL is still on my suspect list. After his time away he slipped out of mind but he is back now.

[The Red Severum]

I point my finger at you rich, because you never go in depth with your pointing fingers, and you just kind of scrap the surface.

"Dope is still a possibility in my mind"
"JL is still on my suspect list."
"though he could be fooling me."

All of these kind of point the finger, but not totally go after someone. You have no 100% mafia. You want to distance yourself from these people, but not say there mafia.

Why is kash not on your list?

[rich311k]

I point my finger at you rich, because you never go in depth with your pointing fingers, and you just kind of scrap the surface.

"Dope is still a possibility in my mind"
"JL is still on my suspect list."
"though he could be fooling me."

All of these kind of point the finger, but not totally go after someone. You have no 100% mafia. You want to distance yourself from these people, but not say there mafia.

Why is kash not on your list?

I forgot about her. I dont see her as mafia at all. She is innocent the silliness the other day showed me that without a doubt.

I am sorry I dont think as deep as you do.

[The Red Severum]

I am sorry I dont think as deep as you do.

Then you don't think in depth at all, because I don't either. Who are you planning on voting for?

[rich311k]

Then you don't think in depth at all, because I don't either. Who are you planning on voting for?

I have not decided yet. It will not be for you though. If the vote was now. i would vote JL.

Who are you voting for?