Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

[IceH2O]

Now he's confused? No offense intended to the new member/new player here, but I'm not buying this now at this stage of the game. For Agass to wait all this time to post this after being killed off instead of way back when he showed up to place a vote tells me that the mafia deliberately kept him hidden and protected by inactivity. As long as we kept overlooking him, he could easily have shown up again any time the mafia wanted him to. Even if he didn't know to get in contact with his teammates, Jpappy and Fire would certainly have iniated contact on their own and told him what to post and when to stay quiet.



And?........

So who does that point to in your opinion?

There are other questions posted to you Kash that I'd love to see answered.

[The Red Severum]

I am going to vote for JL, why because he is mafia. And right now, I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone else. Its time for him to go.

Kash why are you still dwelling on AG? IMO he is a dead end, a mafia player is not going to come out and say they coached him? Maybe try focusing on finding the remaining players.

[Dopehand]

I forgot about her. I dont see her as mafia at all. She is innocent the silliness the other day showed me that without a doubt.

I am sorry I dont think as deep as you do.

It's kind of odd to "forget" about a player at this stage. A desperate player has a tendency to get suddenly very believable when they are willing to make a noble "sacrifice" to help the town. I don't think all of the silliness rules Kash out at all.

I don't think her defense made her look scummier, but I think it's important not to discount a suspect due to a seemingly sincere plea. While I'm unlikely to throw my vote on her without further discussion, I don't think at this stage anyone should be counted out, aside from JM and Noodles.

[rich311k]

It's kind of odd to "forget" about a player at this stage. A desperate player has a tendency to get suddenly very believable when they are willing to make a noble "sacrifice" to help the town. I don't think all of the silliness rules Kash out at all.

I don't think her defense made her look scummier, but I think it's important not to discount a suspect due to a seemingly sincere plea. While I'm unlikely to throw my vote on her without further discussion, I don't think at this stage anyone should be counted out, aside from JM and Noodles.

Well by that measure how do you know JM was truthful? You are ready to believe him.

[noodles62]

Well by that measure how do you know JM was truthful? You are ready to believe him.

Have you seen anyone else disputing him?

[rich311k]

Have you seen anyone else disputing him?

No I was just making a point.

[Dopehand]

It would be very unusual indeed for someone to successfully claim to be the doctor without dispute of any kind.

Actually, clarification please: If we accidentally lynched the doctor, it would tell us right? Or would he/she just show up as "a citizen?"

[rich311k]

We would be told just like we were told it was the SK.

[Dopehand]

In that case I see absolutely no reason not to believe JM.

[rich311k]

Neither do I. it was just a point.

[Dopehand]

I don't see why you'd doubt me trusting Jm, exactly. What point were you making?

[IceH2O]

The only way both could be compared would be if 2 players claimed Dr.
Then you'd need to chose who you believed.

I don't trust Kashs drama queen excuses. The plead to vote her out did exactly what she wanted it to do, got the heat off her and even turned others to move her to innocent.

Then add in the "plan" that she claims JL had knowing she was innocent.

Its to much, she over did it imo.

Then she hasn't done anything to help since night fall, not that she helped much before hand. Has Kash ever voted for a known mafia?

[rich311k]

I don't see why you'd doubt me trusting Jm, exactly. What point were you making?

That you can believe some one is being truthful. Granted it was a rotten example but it was all I had. I don't believe anyone else in this game.

[johnlarson66]

Forget it Dopey. I misread disinclined.

until today I never knoew disinclined was a word...

[Dopehand]

Then add in the "plan" that she claims JL had knowing she was innocent.

Its to much, she over did it imo.

Then she hasn't done anything to help since night fall, not that she helped much before hand. Has Kash ever voted for a known mafia?

It's not like everyone we've considered lynching hasn't made some sort of appeal. I would say Kash's voting record is a bit cheesy, but almost on a sufficiently garish level where I wouldn't immediately assume it was premeditated.

[johnlarson66]

I like how JL just ignores whatever I say, what are you not sticking up for yourself because you will hit me next nightfall?

TRS, I am not even sure what you are saying.

What are you saying?

[IceH2O]

until today I never knoew disinclined was a word...


Neither did I. I looked it up after I read it again and realized dis had to be another prefix for not.

[noodles62]

The only way both could be compared would be if 2 players claimed Dr.
Then you'd need to chose who you believed.

I don't trust Kashs drama queen excuses. The plead to vote her out did exactly what she wanted it to do, got the heat off her and even turned others to move her to innocent.

Then add in the "plan" that she claims JL had knowing she was innocent.

Its to much, she over did it imo.

Then she hasn't done anything to help since night fall, not that she helped much before hand. Has Kash ever voted for a known mafia?

Not to my knowledge. The only vote she had a player that got lynched was MC the SK. Of course she would have known he was not mafia so it was a safe vote anyway....I think I am happy with my vote right now.

[The Red Severum]

John I have brought up your name multiple times, and you never defended yourself. Why?

[Dopehand]

Neither did I. I looked it up after I read it again and realized dis had to be another prefix for not.

That made me curious about whether I was just making up words, so I just now looked it up. It's in my dictionary. :P

[johnlarson66]

I vote to lynch Kashata

Other suspects are:

TRS
Dope

I think we need to clear up Kash's status (as well as mine and TRS).

[The Red Severum]

There is another post, not defending yourself. Why? Are you ignoring me until you get a hit at nightfall?
I vote to lynch JohnLarson

[johnlarson66]

John I have brought up your name multiple times, and you never defended yourself. Why?

Of the multiple times you have brought me up, you have had me as innocent and mafia.

From what I can tell you are not even reading the thread and playing based on past games.

I really have no defense for you. The best I can tell is that you are trying to put heat on me to take it off of you.

I just hope the town lynches you before me.

[The Red Severum]

Have you read the thread? I said you were innocent then reread the whole thread and came to you. If I am mafia then why are you voting for kash? Are you trying to push her now, instead of dope? Your only reason is to clear it up? How about you vote for yourself, and then things will clear up some more.

[johnlarson66]

There is another post, not defending yourself. Why? Are you ignoring me until you get a hit at nightfall?
I vote to lynch JohnLarson

TRS, I doubt you will get hit. I just don't see someone hitting themselves.

If the game is still going on tomorrow, I will lead the charge against you.

[Dopehand]

lol, and you guys thought the stuff I said was confusing?

[johnlarson66]

Have you read the thread? I said you were innocent then reread the whole thread and came to you. If I am mafia then why are you voting for kash? Are you trying to push her now, instead of dope? Your only reason is to clear it up? How about you vote for yourself, and then things will clear up some more.

TRS, I am not trying to push anything.

I am not trying to ignore you. I just don't really take your posts as coming from someone that is even playing. You bounce around with the wind. Maybe if you had something of value to add, backed up with some quotes or votes then maybe I would care what you say.

Why play now, when you haven't played most of the game? I think it is odd that you have now come to play.

[johnlarson66]

lol, and you guys thought the stuff I said was confusing?

The stuff you say is disunconfusing.

[Dopehand]

lawl, that totally reminded me of newspeak!

[noodles62]

I vote to lynch Kashata

Other suspects are:

TRS
Dope

I think we need to clear up Kash's status (as well as mine and TRS).

Hey John, I hear this Mod is really picky. You might wanna fix that typo! :)

[johnlarson66]

I retract my vote on Kashata and vote to lynch Kashta.

[noodles62]

I retract my vote on Kashata and vote to lynch Kashta.

;) It did have a nice Japanese flair to it though! "kashata!" :lipssealedsmilie:

[IceH2O]

Wow its quiet.

I guess since everyone knows who their main suspect is they all have their votes in?

Wait no they don't.

I suggest all that don't think Kash is mafia build a case for your suspects and show us why Kash is innocent IYO. Sitting back and letting us lynch someone you consider innocent and not going after your own suspect is just as scummy as mafia taking down an innocent.

[Dopehand]

I vote to lynch Kashta.

[The Red Severum]

Why dope?

[Dopehand]

I voted for her two votes ago, then switched to ag when I felt that the least damage to the group would be done if he turned up citizen. Which, as I suspected, he did not. Since we're back down to folks who can no longer be considered a strongly "safe" vote, I'm going with my previous thinking and voting for Kash.

Also, quite frankly, the group is unlikely to lynch anyone besides either myself or Kash.

[The Red Severum]

I am still staying with my vote for JL, still think he is mafia. I am not 100% sure on kash being mafia.

[rich311k]

I vote to lynch Dope.

In the beginning he barely played and was stumbling around. Now he is playing and talking like he is Sherlock Holmes. That makes me think some one told him to be himself and play normally. Not an open and shut case but it works for me.

[noodles62]

Wow! Thought I would check this before I went back to work....it sure is slow....
I am happy with my vote, and I hope I am right. The only one that has not posted yet is Kashta....(& of course JM who is out of town)

[rich311k]

It is amazing how slow it is. Maybe we are all talked out?

[noodles62]

Wow! Thought I would check this before I went back to work....it sure is slow....
I am happy with my vote, and I hope I am right. The only one that has not posted yet is Kashta....(& of course JM who is out of town)

I meant "voted yet"

[ZSandmann]

Kash: Ice(1215) Nood(1229) JL(1271/1281) Dope(1284)
JL: Red(1272)
Dope: Rich(1288)

[johnlarson66]

I think we should go to 24 hours.

Well I think the mafia should conceed, but since they won't I will settle for 24 hour days.

Even though I would have UD'ed the first day, I like the UD rule. I think people that weren't really even playing have made this game last longer that it should have.

I would rather the game was cut short by UD's then extended by people that are not playing.

[noodles62]

I think we should go to 24 hours.

Well I think the mafia should conceed, but since they won't I will settle for 24 hour days.

Even though I would have UD'ed the first day, I like the UD rule. I think people that weren't really even playing have made this game last longer that it should have.

I would rather the game was cut short by UD's then extended by people that are not playing.

:iagree: With so few players left actually posting and playing, 48 hours is totally dragging by........or a total drag, however you want to look at it.... :cool2:

[rich311k]

I think we should go to 24 hours.

Well I think the mafia should conceed, but since they won't I will settle for 24 hour days.

Even though I would have UD'ed the first day, I like the UD rule. I think people that weren't really even playing have made this game last longer that it should have.

I would rather the game was cut short by UD's then extended by people that are not playing.

I think we should go to 24 hours. Maybe a 1 vote miss then UD rule.

[noodles62]

or maybe a UD pass on the first nightfall and then after that you are toast if you do not vote.

[Dopehand]

24 hours would add a sense of urgency lacking with so few contributors

[johnlarson66]

24 hours would add a sense of urgency lacking with so few contributors

:werd:

[The Red Severum]

Where has kash been? I still think she is innocent, but we will find out.

[IceH2O]

Well if she is she isn't trying to hard to help the town.

How about instead of 24 hrs we do hourly night falls lol.

I ran a game around this time last year that had the 2 non votes = UD rule

[johnlarson66]

I think the original games had 2 no-votes = UD.

I like that.

[noodles62]

sounds good. who is modding the next game? is it Jpap?

[jpappy789]

go////

'tis me!

I like that rule and will reinstate it for #53.

go////

[noodles62]

hush you evil little man! :lipssealedsmilie:

[jpappy789]

:silly:

You're still jealous that we wouldn't let you into our mafia chat room...you're too much of a liability :lipssealedsmilie:

[The Red Severum]

I ran a game around this time last year that had the 2 non votes = UD rule

agreed, thats how I did it when I ran my games over on other site.

[noodles62]

:silly:

You're still jealous that we wouldn't let you into our mafia chat room...you're too much of a liability :lipssealedsmilie:


LOL You are just jealous cuz I outlasted you this game!

[rich311k]

Well if she is she isn't trying to hard to help the town.

How about instead of 24 hrs we do hourly night falls lol.

I ran a game around this time last year that had the 2 non votes = UD rule


Thats a great idea. more than fair all the way around.

[jpappy789]

LOL You are just jealous cuz I outlasted you this game!
Key word being "this"...:evil_lol:

[Dopehand]

What does "UD" mean?

[jpappy789]

Z, feel free to tell me to shut up again at some point...:D

UD = untimely death.

[rich311k]

Z, feel free to tell me to shut up again at some point...:D

UD = untimely death.

You do talk a lot for a ghost.

[johnlarson66]

What does "UD" mean?

Dope, that is way too normal of a question from you.

Care to ask in a more flowery way?

This post is just too vanilla for you.

[IceH2O]

What does "UD" mean?


Most normal games had the UD ( untimely death) rule. If you didn't vote you automatically died no ifs ands or buts about it.

[noodles62]

Z, feel free to tell me to shut up again at some point...:D

UD = untimely death.


Dope, that is way too normal of a question from you.

Care to ask in a more flowery way?

This post is just too vanilla for you.

:rofl:

Dope, typically if you fail to vote within the given time period you die (UD- untimely death) and it is usually an embarrassing death....

[noodles62]

so, I type slow, K?!

[Dopehand]

If it is at all possible, I'd be obliged if you were to kindly inform me of the exact meaning for the colloquial term "UD," that I may machinate a proper response in light of it's proper use in regards to this thread. Um.........OBFUSCATE, NEUROTRANSMITTER.............FANNY!

Erg, I short circuited there.

[Dopehand]

Just for you, John.

[noodles62]

If it is at all possible, I'd be obliged if you were to kindly inform me of the exact meaning for the colloquial term "UD," that I may machinate a proper response in light of it's proper use in regards to this thread. Um.........OBFUSCATE, NEUROTRANSMITTER.............FANNY!

Erg, I short circuited there.


:lol: Perfect! :rofl:

[noodles62]

and I do not even want to know what the word "OBFUSCATE" means!

[The Red Severum]

LOL, we are really trying to hunt the mafia right now :rofl:

[jpappy789]

:D



Main Entry ob·fus·cate http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate#)Pronunciation: \ˈäb-fə-ˌskāt; äb-ˈfəs-ˌkāt, əb-\ Function:verb Inflected Form(s)ob·fus·cat·ed; ob·fus·cat·ingEtymology:Late Latin obfuscatus, past participle of obfuscare, from Latin ob- in the way + fuscus dark brown — more at ob- (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ob-), dusk (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dusk)Date:1577 transitive verb1 a: darken (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/darken) b: to make obscure <obfuscate the issue>2: confuse (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/confuse) <obfuscate the reader>intransitive verb: to be evasive, unclear, or confusing
— ob·fus·ca·tion http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate#) \ˌäb-(ˌ)fəs-ˈkā-shən\ noun
— ob·fus·ca·to·ry http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate#) \äb-ˈfəs-kə-ˌtȯr-ē, əb-\ adjective

[johnlarson66]

Just for you, John.

Please accept my appreciativeness.

[noodles62]

LOL, we are really trying to hunt the mafia right now :rofl:

Our little minds tend to wander towards the end of the game.....


:D

Leave it to you to post the definition. *heavy sigh* Just what are we to do with you?

[IceH2O]

Kash isn't going to show. I looked at her profile and Agi visted her page just like he did Jpaps.

[noodles62]

Kash isn't going to show. I looked at her profile and Agi visted her page just like he did Jpaps.

He visited mine too. Maybe he was just checking us all out. :huh:

[IceH2O]

I didn't think of looking at yours. He didn't look at JLs Richs or Dopeys.

[noodles62]

He visited DD's too. :huh:

[johnlarson66]

is there a night fall tonight?

[noodles62]

Yes, thank goodness. The suspense is killing me!

[johnlarson66]

Yes, thank goodness. The suspense is killing me!

My guess is that the mafia will be killing you!

[johnlarson66]

That was the best joke I had.

[IceH2O]

My guess is that the mafia will be killing you!


If Kash isn't the last one I hope they kill me instead. I don't think I can stand another day of no posts.

[noodles62]

My guess is that the mafia will be killing you! :silly:


That was the best joke I had. :banhim:


If Kash isn't the last one I hope they kill me instead. I don't think I can stand another day of no posts.

:thud:

Smilies is all I've got......:evil_lol:

[rich311k]

Hopefully we will have lots to talk about. We wouldn't want Ice to be bored. :)

[noodles62]

I'm bored too............

[jpappy789]

Same here :lipssealedsmilie:

[johnlarson66]

I am working...

[rich311k]

Maybe we should start a sing along.

[jpappy789]

If it wasn't so quiet in here I wouldn't be posting....so talk and I'll go away :grinyes:

[ZSandmann]

Shhhhhh foul dead thing.

[jpappy789]

fine, evil mod bala :silly:

[noodles62]

Maybe we should start a sing along.

OK, I'll start - "row, row, row your boat"...now you. :girl:

[ZSandmann]

Night Falls.... Hard

[ZSandmann]

The Town is bored and out of tune. Kashta has avoided lynching several days in a row, but her time has come at last. The Townies are convinced her lynching will answer all the questions hanging over ACville. They hang her like a pinata from Bala's tail, when the twitching stops they cut her down and inspect the body.

Kashta was a Citizen.

[ZSandmann]

The Mafia laugh hysterically to themselves as they slip away in the Night. They stop by the pharmacy to pay the Doc a visit but find he is gone on vacation. Perplexed at what to do they call up the local travel agency and find JM's itenerary. A carefully wrapped mail bomb is shipped express mail to their next port of call.

JM is dead. Well will be when they arrive at the docks. They were the Doctor.

[Full Disclosure: JM asked me to protect them every night till they return, however I am not comfortable doing that as it is really unfair to the MAfia team and I'm trying to be fair here. Probably no way to make everyone happy here but hope you all are ok with this.]

[ZSandmann]

Game On
24 Hour Days begin now.
Night will be tomorrow at 8PM CST

[noodles62]

:rant:

[noodles62]

:rant:


ok then - :swear:

[IceH2O]

[Full Disclosure: JM asked me to protect them every night till they return, however I am not comfortable doing that as it is really unfair to the MAfia team and I'm trying to be fair here. Probably no way to make everyone happy here but hope you all are ok with this.]


I think its a bit unfair as he isn't around to send in protections due to being out of town and not just because he is not sending them in. Its almost like you UD'd him.


I vote to lynch Rich the only way he could be so sure Kash was innocent was to be mafia, also his name was the only one not on the poster that we don't already know is innocent. But I wouldn't blame anyone for voting me as I was very much pushing Kash.

[noodles62]

I think its a bit unfair as he isn't around to send in protections due to being out of town and not just because he is not sending them in. Its almost like you UD'd him.


I vote to lynch Rich the only way he could be so sure Kash was innocent was to be mafia, also his name was the only one not on the poster that we don't already know is innocent. But I wouldn't blame anyone for voting me as I was very much pushing Kash.

I can see case for Rich but I am not so sure the other names on the poster are ALL innocents......this sucks! :bs:

[noodles62]

TRS is not on the poster either.....

[rich311k]

So I am guilty because I was able to read the truth in kashta's posts? As far as I am concerned she was more the realistically upset about things and really thought her sacrifice would help us all out. I was thinking JL but since ice immediately looked to point out a scape goat. i am seriously leaning his way now.

[johnlarson66]

TRS didn't vote for Agas either.

For whatever reason, TRS has been hot and heavy on me.

I vote to lynch TRS.

Until the three of us that didn't vote for Agas are gone, then I see no reason to vote for someone that voted Agas.

I expect TRS to vote for me, so it really won't be an OMGUS vote.

[IceH2O]

How did I miss that..

Eh I could vote either way. I really thought she was the last one. I have no clue now.

[IceH2O]

So I am guilty because I was able to read the truth in kashta's posts? As far as I am concerned she was more the realistically upset about things and really thought her sacrifice would help us all out. I was thinking JL but since ice immediately looked to point out a scape goat. i am seriously leaning his way now.

Of course I'm looking for someone to vote and you seemed the most logical but JL has a point.

Do me a favor and vote me, I'm sure there is only 1 left and its not going to hurt the town to take me out. I said I wouldn't blame anyone since I pushed so hard.


TRS didn't vote for Agas either.

For whatever reason, TRS has been hot and heavy on me.

I vote to lynch TRS.

Until the three of us that didn't vote for Agas are gone, then I see no reason to vote for someone that voted Agas.

I expect TRS to vote for me, so it really won't be an OMGUS vote.


I'll roll with you, half because I trust you and half because I don't care, the games dragged on to long.

I retract my vote for Rich and vote to lynch TRS

[noodles62]

I cannot believe that I am still here. Have the mafia no mercy! LOL I think I am done for the day. it has dragged on long enough. night boys........

[IceH2O]

Here's a vote count since I've been out all day.

Kash: --Ice(956) --Luv(966) --JL(986) --Nood(1002) --Kash(1017)
Agas: Dope(1028) Jm(1046) Ice(1152) Nood(1159) Rich(1182) Luv(1183)
Dope: JL(1050) --Nood(1151) --Luv(1166) Kash(1186)
JL: Red(1078)
Luv: --Nood(1106)

Through 1197


Ok well here were the Agi votes. It does clear Rich for me bc if you look at how the votes fell he could have voted Dopey and tied him up with Agi.

Red is the logical choice.

[rich311k]

I have to agree on this one. Everything points at TRS. Unless I something changes.

I vote to lynch TRS.

[The Red Severum]

You guys fail, and mafia is going to take over this town. Ice me and you are not mafia, were innocents. rich and JL are mafia. Yet I am the only one who didn't vote for kash?? I didn't vote for agas, but didn't for for a innocent either. I also said luv is a innocent, but then again no one listened. Noodles, you can vote for all JL.

I am not going to sit here and waste my time anymore, as in we lost. Good game, as in a prediction as in ice is going to get with me being lynched, which leaves mafia in charge.

[Dopehand]

I hate to say it, but I don't really think TRS is mafia. Working evenings sure makes things interesting seeing as I don't get to see the lead-in to nightfall.

TRS might be ineffectual in his voting, but guilty? I don't really think so.

[IceH2O]

I hate to say it, but I don't really think TRS is mafia. Working evenings sure makes things interesting seeing as I don't get to see the lead-in to nightfall.

TRS might be ineffectual in his voting, but guilty? I don't really think so.



So maybe you want to take the lead here give us your suspect and why then vote them?

The way you point fingers without actually pointing to someone makes me nervous.

[IceH2O]

You guys fail, and mafia is going to take over this town. Ice me and you are not mafia, were innocents. rich and JL are mafia. Yet I am the only one who didn't vote for kash?? I didn't vote for agas, but didn't for for a innocent either. I also said luv is a innocent, but then again no one listened. Noodles, you can vote for all JL.

I am not going to sit here and waste my time anymore, as in we lost. Good game, as in a prediction as in ice is going to get with me being lynched, which leaves mafia in charge.



You knowing all these people are innocent is what scares me and why I did vote your way. Show me that JL is mafia that Rich is mafia and maybe I'll lift my vote but feelings don't work. Show me the post that made you think mafia then a post that solidified your thought.

[noodles62]

I agree that TRS's "feelings" are not proof in my mind and the idea that he seems to know all, scares me a bit, but I am not so sure he is mafia. I am more inclined to look at the others on the poster; JL, Ice & Dope. Agass was on the poster and found scum, Kash was on it and found inno. I do not want to claim that TRS and Rich are innocent, I just want to look at everyone..... I have the day off so I can spend some of it reading over this HUGE thread again to see what I come up with.

[noodles62]

Want to post my thoughts while they are fresh on my mind.....
I vote to lynch Dopehand.
I have been looking over my spreadsheet of the votes and here is how Dope has been voting:
Night 1 - no vote
Night 2 - late, kill vote on DD, (known inno)
Night 3 - pulled off FD (known mafia) for lone vote on Kash
Night 4 - first vote on Agass (known mafia), did not move but posted that mafia might hit him cause he was not playing anyway. (will find quote later)
Night 5 - kill vote on Kash (known inno)

I am thinking that Dope is the last mafia, however if there is one more left I would guess it is JL....

Will post more in a bit, I need to get some things done around here.

[noodles62]

OK! I have to post these and then go! LOL


Even though we were correct about Ag, his(?) behavior mystifies me. I just don't understand why a mafia member would view the thread periodically and only throw in a couple posts. Backfired silence strategy, mayhaps? Luvbugz was my third pick..........I still don't feel rock solid about JL being mafia. TRS is still a favorite of mine, as I could see the mafia hit perhaps being orchestrated by him(?). Covering, distancing himself from Agass, maybe?

Conversation between JL & I:
Isn't it possible that a mafia member hid among the votes for Agas? I personally do not think you not voting Agas makes you suspicious - you were not here to make any moves or comments regarding your vote.....


Since Agas was mafia, I think the numbers favor us. I can't see there being more than two left. I am guessing there is just one.

If there is just one, I can't see a mafia member voting for a teamate. Maybe if there were two left. If we are still going after me, TRS and Kash are gone then that will mean that a mafia member voted for Agas.

If JL is involved, he was not around to tell Dope to move off of Agass....plus Dope works evenings and is not around at nightfall....just a thought


If agas' explanation is to be held as completely sincere, I would think that a mafia member would hold no compunctions about voting for them since they were largely inactive anyway and didn't understand how the game works. I don't think you could definitively say that the folks who voted ag aren't mafia themselves. While it would be nice to have the extra person, you could certainly gain credibility by lynching ag as well.

I'm pretty neutral on the ag lynch, I don't think a whole lot of conclusions can be drawn from it due to his inactivity.

This is the quote I was referring to in my last post....Dope does not seem to think it is a prob for mafia to vote for agass due to his inactivity....things that make ya go hhhmmmmm.

Not sure on JL, but I am pretty sure about Dope. Just wanted to put it out there to see what others think.

[noodles62]

OK! I have to post these and then go! LOL

Covering, distancing himself from Agass, maybe?

Conversation between JL & I:



If JL is involved, he was not around to tell Dope to move off of Agass....plus Dope works evenings and is not around at nightfall....just a thought



This is the quote I was referring to in my last post....Dope does not seem to think it is a prob for mafia to vote for agass due to his inactivity....things that make ya go hhhmmmmm.

Not sure on JL, but I am pretty sure about Dope. Just wanted to put it out there to see what others think.


Correction - the last 2 quotes from Dope are the ones I was referring to. My red highlight did not catch both.

[rich311k]

Some pretty good points Noodles. Both TRS and Dope have pretty interesting voting patterns. So TRS was a prime suspect of his but now he is not mafia.

Dope do you have a reason for that or a necessity now since it is crunch time?

[Dopehand]

Do I have a reason for my voting pattern?

Prior to night 1, swamped at work.
Night 2, thought I was far more clever than I actually was.
Night 3, after my rather in-your-face failure with the DD tiebreaker, I just didn't want to tie it up or again have my vote be instrumental in the lynching death of a citizen. Who turned out to be mafia, which made me look shady.
Night 4, I really wanted Ag gone as I figured regardless of his citizen/mafia status, the damage to the team would not be significant.
Night 5, By this time I figured that Kash was mafia, along with Ag and FD, and thought it probable a more experienced player was guiding them.

I said a mafia member would have no problem voting for ag due to his inactivity. I was merely pointing out that maybe a free pass for us was not in order. I wasn't trying to implicate myself. I certainly wouldn't have pointed out something for you if i were mafia.

[Dopehand]

So maybe you want to take the lead here give us your suspect and why then vote them?

The way you point fingers without actually pointing to someone makes me nervous.

I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, I just find out of the remaining players, that TRS is an odd choice to go for so quickly when it's just as likely it's one of you crafty, experienced types.

It's hard to say that TRS "knew" things when it happened that his impulses lucked out and he happened to be right a few times. I just find it less likely that unless he's being coached he would point out innocents and then hit them or something.

[noodles62]

I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, I just find out of the remaining players, that TRS is an odd choice to go for so quickly when it's just as likely it's one of you crafty, experienced types.

It's hard to say that TRS "knew" things when it happened that his impulses lucked out and he happened to be right a few times. I just find it less likely that unless he's being coached he would point out innocents and then hit them or something.

Can you see or find anything from the experienced players that lead you to believe they are mafia? If you can quote instances for us all to look at it is helpful. You may see something that we have not seen.....anything that pops out as suspicious to you?

[johnlarson66]

I can't see a mafia member voting for Agas when there was a good run at Kash going. Unless it was to save themselves. So maybe Dope voted Agas to save himself and look good. I can sorta see it.

I feel good about my vote on TRS and think that they are just trying to stir up things to save themselves.

If this game goes on, then I expect to go next. I don't expect the game to go on.

[The Red Severum]

I can't see a mafia member voting for Agas when there was a good run at Kash going. Unless it was to save themselves. So maybe Dope voted Agas to save himself and look good. I can sorta see it.

I feel good about my vote on TRS and think that they are just trying to stir up things to save themselves.

If this game goes on, then I expect to go next. I don't expect the game to go on.

Why? There is three innocents left, me dope and noodles, then there is two mafia left, rich and you. How do you think this game is going to end? Tonight is going to go down, lynching a innocent, and then a innocent getting hit.

[noodles62]

Why? There is three innocents left, me dope and noodles, then there is two mafia left, rich and you. How do you think this game is going to end? Tonight is going to go down, lynching a innocent, and then a innocent getting hit.

TRS, how can you be so sure that Rich and JL are mafia? How? Why?

[The Red Severum]

Well its down from process of elimination, because you are not mafia. I am not mafia, and I am pretty sure dope is not mafia, and JL is mafia, so that leaves rich, and I figure he is mafia. Right now I am pretty sure JL is mafia, by he is always distancing himself from the other suspected mafia, but never ended up voting for them.

[rich311k]

You forgot Ice.

[Dopehand]

Eek, I only have a few hours to decide..........we're doing 24 hour days now, right?

[rich311k]

Night fall is this evening at 9.

[noodles62]

Well its down from process of elimination, because you are not mafia. I am not mafia, and I am pretty sure dope is not mafia, and JL is mafia, so that leaves rich, and I figure he is mafia. Right now I am pretty sure JL is mafia, by he is always distancing himself from the other suspected mafia, but never ended up voting for them.

Just saying that you know "he is" and "he is not" or "you figure" is not sufficient to convince others to follow you. You need to back it up with quotes or something that shows why you think these things.

[noodles62]

right now my vote is a useless lone vote. I do not want to help take out another citizen. my batting average really sucks and that is probably why the mafia has left me in so long; I am helping them take us all out. Crap!!!

[IceH2O]

Why? There is three innocents left, me dope and noodles, then there is two mafia left, rich and you. How do you think this game is going to end? Tonight is going to go down, lynching a innocent, and then a innocent getting hit.


Well its down from process of elimination, because you are not mafia. I am not mafia, and I am pretty sure dope is not mafia, and JL is mafia, so that leaves rich, and I figure he is mafia. Right now I am pretty sure JL is mafia, by he is always distancing himself from the other suspected mafia, but never ended up voting for them.


Did you forget me because I'm tonights hit?

[noodles62]

well, I retract my vote for Dopehand and vote to lynch TRS. Lord help us all if I am wrong again!

[johnlarson66]

Why? There is three innocents left, me dope and noodles, then there is two mafia left, rich and you. How do you think this game is going to end? Tonight is going to go down, lynching a innocent, and then a innocent getting hit.

How about Ice?

My guess is that if the game is not over that noods will get hit.

That will leave me, Ice, rich and dope.

[noodles62]

How about Ice?

My guess is that if the game is not over that noods will get hit.

That will leave me, Ice, rich and dope.

You have been promising me that for days and I am still here helping to kill off fellow citizens.

[johnlarson66]

I am not as slow as it appears, I am at work.

[Dopehand]

Erk, this vote is difficult. I think that JL or Ice are mafia, myself (the problem is, I can't see either getting rid of fire at that stage in the game). I think TRS is possibly as well (though I obviously wouldn't be overly shocked, there's only a few of us left after all). Of the other mafia members we have unveiled, TRS did not vote for any confirmed mafia. That's pretty cheesy, especially when doing so would have ultimately probably brought less suspicion on you.

The problem is, time is winding down and we can't afford to make those kinds of mistakes. However, on the other hand, things are pretty hit or miss at this point. I think we need to break out of our pattern of lynching passive players and non-posters, and look at who we have left.

I vote to lynch TRS.

[Dopehand]

I have to go to work in roughly an hour, so I'd love to see all your thoughts prior.

[noodles62]

personally, I am at a loss. I have not trusted TRS with his feelings, premonitions and lack of posting any evidence or quotes to back anything up....but then again I am not sure he is mafia; then again, without communication innocents how can we be sure of anyone.....he is my best bet right now. The game will prob be over tonight if we are wrong.

[noodles62]

"communication innocents" - should say communicating innocents

[johnlarson66]

I think the game will be over if we are right.

I just don't see there being 3 mafia left, 2 at the most, but I am leaning 1.

[IceH2O]

Can't imagine there is more then 1.

I'm almost willing to lynch Dopey over TRS.

Dopey pulling off Fire didn't change the outcome but what if being the 4th on would have been the deciding vote? What if by moving he hoped to pull others off Fire?

He was the 1st on Agi though but like Noods said,what if it was to cement his innocence?

Eh I guess if its not TRS then tomorrow I vote Dopey. Just find it strange he doesn't think TRS is mafia but he voted him anyway.

[noodles62]

I agree, Ice. I stick by my argument against Dope. But the masses seem to think it is TRS so I will follow. (the little lemming that I am!)

[IceH2O]

I retract my vote on TRS and vote to lynch Dope


The more I think about it the less I think its TRS. Would mafia continually harp on it being JL when they know we won't vote that way? Wouldn't they just let us decide who is the bad guy and follow? Why lead the confused into a bad choice?

[IceH2O]

Screw it

I retract my vote for Dopey and vote to lynch TRS

why risk it when we can get them tomorrow anyway. A lone vote on Dopey doesn't work anyway.

[Dopehand]

I'm off to work, I eagerly await nightfall!

[noodles62]

I'm looking at the order of the hits and who it possibly was that ordered them:

1- Coler; JPap and/or FD
2- Dawg; FD
3- Mav; FD
4- Bugz; Agass??
5- JM; ??

something does not seem right....any thoughts?

[rich311k]

Why couldn't Dope or TRS send in the hits? I must be missing something.

[noodles62]

well, they have not been proven mafia yet and I am just looking at who was hit and if Dope or TRS would have carried them as they were....I guess JP or FD could have left an order of hits.....just something to look at. :huh: not sure if it matters or not.

[johnlarson66]

I think TRS slipped when he didn't mention Ice.

I am okay with following noods on Dope as I felt Dope was mafia before, I have not liked their voting or posts from the start.

I voted Dope when Agas was lynched and saw a much better case for Dope than I did Agas at that time.

If Dope is mafia, then there has to be at least one other. It also throws out the whole idea that votes on Agas clears someone.

I see the case for both TRS and Dope. With that said, I see the case for me, Ice and rich. The only one that is confirmed innocent is noods.

[noodles62]

:uhoh:

[noodles62]

so what is the general consensus for tonite? Lynch TRS or Dope? I am ok with either but we need at least 3 to make the move to Dope.

[ZSandmann]

Rich: --Ice
Red: JL Ice Rich Nood Dope
Dope: --Nood

[noodles62]

meh! I say let it ride.......

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noods, you still managed to beat us all at posting. I really tried, even Ice beat me.

[noodles62]

I have even been fairly quiet the past few days. I dont know how the heck I do it! :lipssealedsmilie:

[rich311k]

Wow I have a 100 already. I talked a lot.

[noodles62]

Wow I have a 100 already. I talked a lot.

you must be mafia then!

[rich311k]

you must be mafia then!

No just confidant in who I am.

[noodles62]

:barf:

[ZSandmann]

It is... the Final Night!

[ZSandmann]

So.... the Town has met there match in .... Red!?! As he loudly proclaims his Innocence and curses JL and Rich, he is led to the gallows. Appears the Town should have listened to him...

He is lynched and found to be a Citizen.

[ZSandmann]

The Mafia laugh out loud and rush Ice. There is no need to be bashful any longer.

Ice is dead. He was a Citizen.

A personal note, the Mafia wish to convey their thanks to Ice for helping them indirectly.

With the Mafia being tied in numbers to the Townies, this game is over. The Mafia win!1! I personally thought for certain this was going the other way with the early lynches of the SK and several Mafia. Also, with the SK's Hit, it wasn't all luck, they had a good hunch JPappy was scum. It's been a pleasure. I hate JM had to leave on vaca, but that's the way it goes sometimes. I had a blast hosting again, I hope I didn't make anyone too angry and can't wait to be on the player side again.

Now discuss amongst yourselves.

[ZSandmann]

GAME OVER

Mafia Win

[johnlarson66]

I vote to lynch Dope

[ZSandmann]

Ah Sh&& I botched my own flipping game didn't I? I changed the rules to Mafia being > Town... sometimes I amaze myself.

[noodles62]

TRS - the guy is a friggin psychic! JL/Rich you are the scunniest of scum! :raspberry:

[Dangerdoll]

man oh man

[ZSandmann]

:face palm:

I suck. Sorry Townies, sorry Mafia... I originally had it Mafia equal to or greater than Town. But I see my post at the beginning of the thread says otherwise.

[noodles62]

Thanks Z. It was a good game!

[Luvbugz]

Default townie win due to mod screw up!

[rich311k]

:headbang2::headbang2:

Good game guys!

[ZSandmann]

Yeah I tried to rush this end bit because I have to go to the gym, and this is what I get for it. In my Mod notes I have my original draft of the rules apparently, that still say = or >

Ah well, good game all. I was shocked at how well the Town did and how well the Mob did distancing themselves. I tried to talk Jm from coming ou as Doc before going on vaca, but understand why he wanted to since he had the investigation results.

Off to the gym, I'll check in later tonight to see how much I'm cursed :D

[johnlarson66]

I think you are correct -

Here is the rule:


8) The Mafia wins if they equal or outnumber the Town + SK.

It is 2 v 2.

I think the mafia earned this one...

[johnlarson66]

Good game everyone.

Thanks ZS for modding.

[IceH2O]

Eh at least the Mets won.

I hate I got snowed. I wish others had read my case against JL and backed up my suspicion. I had a feeling about Rich at nightfall but it wasn't concrete and then a look back did not work for a case.

Well played guys.You deserved the win.

Thanks for Modding Z.

[The Red Severum]

Darn I knew JL was mafia, and I guessed on rich. Good game guys. see you next one

[johnlarson66]

Ice, I can honestly tell you that having you have me as innocent was the highlight of the game.

The note from us was supposed to read: "the mafia no longer needs your services, thank you".

This game had it's ups and downs.

[Dopehand]

Sorry for my late appearance, folks. I'll be more timely next time I sign up for a game.

[Coler]

Thanks for modding Z - looked like a a good game.

Ice - durn close to pulling a coler there :D

Well played all.

[Agassizii]

interesting

[ZSandmann]

Ok I feel better. I was sure it was = or > apparently I wasn't internally consistent in the rules. I was laughing my butt off at all the proclamations that JL was innocent, the man has no problem throwing his teammates under the bus to save face. :D

And poor Kash, she can't catch a break.

[ZSandmann]

I have a question for the Mafia. Did ya'll ask Agas to be so quiet?

Oh and by the way shopuld of looked at the Wanted Poster more closely :P

[rich311k]

I have a question for the Mafia. Did ya'll ask Agas to be so quiet?

Oh and by the way shopuld of looked at the Wanted Poster more closely :P

No that just happened.

[Dangerdoll]

I have to say, this was a good game, I was watching it to the end and that is a rare thing. It definitely kept me interested. Good game Mafio's

[mostlycichlids]

Well folks another mafia win...that makes the last three games....scummy suckers...From the eyes of the serial killer (me) I was pro town all the way...all I wanted to do was sk all the mafia, At least I took one out early!

[Madcrawdad]

I ran a game around this time last year that had the 2 non votes = UD ruleagreed, thats how I did it when I ran my games over on other site.

TRS, where are these games that you've been running? I see on mafiascum you mention that you've been running games over here, and here you mention that you've been running games over there. Where are these games? I'd really be interested in reading them. :bs:

;)

.

[Luvbugz]

Good game all. At least the townies had a chance this time ;) Rich you had me completely baffled. JL, I knew you were mafia. No one was listening to me though. Was that whole FD thing planned?? That was soo mean y'all!

[The Red Severum]

TRS, where are these games that you've been running? I see on mafiascum you mention that you've been running games over here, and here you mention that you've been running games over there. Where are these games? I'd really be interested in reading them. :bs:

;)

.

lol no, on here-
aquaticcommunity.com
I have been running games, look at forum games. Rich and agaisizii have both played in them :)

[ZSandmann]

I played one game on mafiascum, they are too slow for me with games lasting for months. I can't keep track of what's going on on that scale.

[dirtydawg10]

Good game guys! I was totally lost on who was mafia this game.

Was I hit so that people might go after Ice? Nicely played Mafia Scum ;)

[jpappy789]

Woot!

Finally on a winning mafia team even though I didn't do much :D

We didn't tell Ag to be quiet but eventually we decided that it would be best not for him to post. It got him through far enough LOL But jumping on to him and FD was planned.

Have to say I laughed my butt off every time someone dismissed TRS's posts about JL/rich being mafia. It was too good to be true...

Btw, #53 sign up will be coming within a week or so. Wanna give people time to rest ;)

[ZSandmann]

Good time for someone to round up Ogre, LG, HN, Charlie, Mee-Mee, NeonJulie...

[jpappy789]

Well Ogre is back and LG checked in a couple days ago...

As for the others :huh:

[IceH2O]

Oh and by the way shopuld of looked at the Wanted Poster more closely :P


I looked again and I still don't see anything except maybe that it was hinting at 2 being on there.

I'm surprised there were 5 mafia, seems like a lot especially since the SK could hit anyone and had a better chance at hitting innocents.

Even tied 2-2 Dopey would have been the hit bc we were totally snowed.Even if they hadn't taken me out.

[jpappy789]

Same here...$0.02 = 2 mafia on the list.

[ZSandmann]

I just played the percentages. The Town had the advantage for quite a while, but yeah Rich and JL did one of the best jobs of covering their tracks I've seen.

[johnlarson66]

I looked again and I still don't see anything except maybe that it was hinting at 2 being on there.

I'm surprised there were 5 mafia, seems like a lot especially since the SK could hit anyone and had a better chance at hitting innocents.

Even tied 2-2 Dopey would have been the hit bc we were totally snowed.Even if they hadn't taken me out.

We were pretty sure noods would join me on Dope and then rich would switch before nightfall.

FD had a forum, maybe she will make it public. We were afraid TRS had found it!

[jm1212]

we lost? aw...

next game= rematch

oh it looks like i died too.

[Dangerdoll]

poor jm :)

[noodles62]

We were pretty sure noods would join me on Dope and then rich would switch before nightfall.

FD had a forum, maybe she will make it public. We were afraid TRS had found it!

I probably would have! LOL I was at a total loss. I had feeling you were scum but I did not want to believe it. I kept giving you the benefit of the doubt....That'll teach me to be nice!! ha ha!

[rich311k]

I guess this means no will trust me anymore. I became a bad guy.

Every one would look at JL but it never stuck.

[Dangerdoll]

I'll never be able to look at your pics the same again, rich LOL

[noodles62]

I'll never be able to look at your pics the same again, rich LOL

:naughty: :rofl:

I know, he was trying to lure children to his panel van with candy!!! :omg:

[rich311k]

LOL I forgot all about that.

[Coler]

Thanks for killing me.

You shower of cowards. I mean c'mon night 1 ?????

[jpappy789]

You're just bitter cuz you lost

[Coler]

You're just bitter cuz you lost

Naw not really :screwy:

I din't even git to play :nilly:

[mostlycichlids]

Yeah I feel ya Coler

[jm1212]

Yeah I feel ya Coler
lmao you voted yourself off

i vote for UD's next time though.

[jpappy789]

Going to be a UD after two failed votes.

[Kashta]

Letting you all know where I disappeared to this week. I'd just posted that message in reply to the one from Agass after his lynching. The power went out as I was writing my next post.. It was on and off a few times. When I booted up again later, my connection was gone. I just got back online last night.

For what it's worth... I was posting to say that I'd added Ice to my "good" guys list (finally) because of that hit on Luvbugz... I had Rich (instead of Ice) and Dopehand (still) as my leading mafia suspects then. So, as far off as I was compared to how this turned out, my getting back to the game wouldn't have helped us any. JL had me totally fooled. I fell for that nonsense before he left completely. You did that very well, John. I didn't stand a chance this time around.

I can't even describe how frustrating that was wondering what was going on with this and not being able to do anything about it. Reading since that point through the ending was quite shocking.. lmao. We were so close at one point but still didnt' have a chance as badly misdirected this turned out to be.

All I can say about being innocent for the first time in these games is... being evil is a LOT easier.

:evil_lol:

[jpappy789]

#53 sign up is posted and stickied!