Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

[ZSandmann]

Mafia #52 - Killer Comes A Courtin'

There will be a group of Mafia that may communicate outside the thread. Each night they can submit a person to be Hit. Mafia win when they are greater in numbers than the Citizens + Serial Killer.

There will be a single Serial Killer. The SK is in it for themselves, they can align themselves with the Mafia or the Citizens or kill willy-nilly as they like. They do not have to kill someone every night, but they can if they so choose. The SK wins if they survive till either the Mafia or Town win the game.

There will be a Doctor that can protect one person nightly. This person protected will be immune to Hits from the Mafia or the SK. The Doctor can protect themselves, but can not protect anyone from a lynch.

The Citizens will vote to Lynch someone each day in an attempt to strike down the Mafia and a rampant SK. They can win the game by eliminating all the Mafia. They do not have to eliminate the SK to win.

THERE WILL BE NO UDs, so if there are lurkers they will need to be flushed by the town or the mob. I think the UDs are really killing the game, and this may encourage them to publish or perish so to speak.

Also, at least once during the game Bala will release a Most Wanted List, that will contain the name of the SK and perhaps a Mafia or two. There will be One Investigation given to the Mafia and One to the Doctor that can be used during any Day, the results will be sent after the next Nightfall. If the person to be investigated is killed during that Night, the Investigation is Null.

Game Mechanics

1) Each game day, everyone in the town has to vote to lynch someone. You vote by saying (in bold)… I vote to lynch so and so.

a. If you do not vote or decide to vote No One no ill will come of you... from Bala, the Town however may have their own plans.

b. If you decide to switch your vote, state in bold you are doing so and the new vote. (I retract my vote on XXXX, and vote to lynch XXX)

c. Do not put your vote in your signature.

2) Whoever has the most votes gets lynched. If you have two and everyone else has one vote… you get lynched.

a. The priority of night time happenings is:

Towns Lynch
Mafia Hit

The Serial Killers Hit may occur at any time during the day, when I recieve the Hit request the person to be Hit will be contacted and they may no longer post. Bala will announce the Hit at Nightfall.

b. If multiple people have the same number of votes, I will use the random generator to decide which of those gets lynched.

3) Everything stays in the game, no PMing people and setting up deals or alliances, or discussing issues in this game on other sites. The sole exception to this is the authorization by me for special role players to do so.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT AUTHORIZED PEOPLE COMMUNICATE VIA AN OFF SITE MESSAGING BOARD LIKE MSN/AIM/ICQ.

5) You can say whatever you want in the game, but you can't 'prove it' with my PM to you.

7) The Town wins, when they kill all of the Mafia.

7b) The Serial Killer wins, if they survive until either the Town or Mafia win.

8) The Mafia wins if they equal or outnumber the Town + SK.

9) If you have any questions, PM me. If it's important to all, I'll post it.

10) No one, unless authorized to do so, are to discuss the game outside of the thread. That's kind of the point. If you are discussing things, then everyone else doesn't get the benefit of your deliberations. Think town hall rather than Internet chat room.

11) Do not edit your posts!

12) NO AFTER DEATH POSTS

Roles:

The Mafia: These pizza munching gambinos are always around it seems. The Mafia may Hit one person each Day. They have one investigation that can be used at any time as they please.

The Serial Killer: The creepy underbelly of ACville crawls with Mafia, but even the underbelly seems to have an underbelly as a new threat has emerged. The Serial Killer may kill a person each day if they choose. That person will be contacted when the hit is made and are immediately dead.

The Doctor: Can choose one person to protect from the Mafia and SK each Day. They may not protect people from the lynch. The Doc can protect themself. The Doc also has one investigation that can be used at any time.

The Citizens: The Innocent townies of ACville. They always seem to end up as Mafia bullet fodder, but hopefully with their powers of deduction and some luck they can once again rid the town of evildoers.



If for any reason you need to leave the game, please PM me, do not post it in the thread. IF YOU POST THAT YOU QUIT YOU DIE AS SOON AS I SEE THE POST. NO EXCEPTIONS. YOUR ROLE WILL BE REVEALED. I don't care if you recant the quit you will still die.

"In the game you will get accused, grilled, made to look like an idiot, and a hundred other things. IN THE GAME. Do not take anything personally or make ANY personal attacks."

Sending PMs, please wait until I say game on.

The Players:
noodles62
Luvbugz
Kashta
jpappy789
jm1212
Dopehand
maverickbr77
The Red Severum
Agassizii
dirtydawg10
FireDancer7905
mostlycichlids
Coler
IceH2O
rich311k
johnlarson66
Dangerdoll

[ZSandmann]

Okie Doke, EVERYONE ;) should have gotten a PM now. So...

GAME ON!

Edit: To say Night 1 will be 8PM Central Time (GMT -6 I believe) on Sunday.

[maverickbr77]

hey no one jumped the gun this game. lets do this!!

[Dangerdoll]

alrighty, let's get rolling!

[Luvbugz]

Woooohoooo!

[noodles62]

:nilly: yea!!!

[Kashta]

Hooray!

[Luvbugz]

My first question: What toppings do you like on your pizza Kash?? ;)

[Dangerdoll]

LOL Bugz, already got your list??

[Kashta]

My first question: What toppings do you like on your pizza Kash?? ;)

I suppose I'd pick pepperoni, mushrooms, and black olives.

Why do you ask, LuvBugz?

[maverickbr77]

:iagree: in fact a had one of those a couple days ago mmmmm

[Luvbugz]

Ewww no olives! :P

[jm1212]

i like pepperoni :p:

[noodles62]

Ewww no olives! :P

:iagree: olives = :yuck:

I prefer sausage w/ mushrooms

[noodles62]

well, not much is going on yet, so I am gonna finish watching my movie.....

[rich311k]

Pepperoni for me as well.

[Dangerdoll]

we usually have onions and mushrooms.... never tried olives before but might be worth a try

[IceH2O]

Wasn't expecting the game to start already.

So Z, basically just 2 investigations in the entire game?

Anyone that likes veggies on a pizza is mafia scum in hiding. Its their way to throw us off as all Italians know veggies don't belong on pizza. They go in the salad next to the pizza.

[mostlycichlids]

Wasn't expecting the game to start already.

So Z, basically just 2 investigations in the entire game?

Anyone that likes veggies on a pizza is mafia scum in hiding. Its their way to throw us off as all Italians know veggies don't belong on pizza. They go in the salad next to the pizza.

Lol I agree....What is all the pizza talk about?

"The Mafia: These pizza munching gambinos are always around it seems. The Mafia may Hit one person each Day. They have one investigation that can be used at any time as they please."

Fishy way for the game to start!

[ZSandmann]

Wasn't expecting the game to start already.

So Z, basically just 2 investigations in the entire game?


Correct.

[FireDancer7905]

It's good to be back in ACville, it's been too long!
and I prefer ham and pineapple. :)

[Kashta]

Anyone that likes veggies on a pizza is mafia scum in hiding. Its their way to throw us off as all Italians know veggies don't belong on pizza. They go in the salad next to the pizza.

Ice, are you Italian?

[Kashta]

I suppose I'd pick pepperoni, mushrooms, and black olives.

Why do you ask, LuvBugz?

Ewww no olives! :P

LuvBugz.. you've been back but didn't answer. Would you?

[Luvbugz]

OMG. I started it as a joke. DD and Ice I think are the only ones who got it. No one else has been talking. Least it got some discussion right? LOL

[rich311k]

It is as good a first topic as any. We need to hear what people think. Hard to think about nothing.

[noodles62]

off to a slow start as usual.........time to read over the rules and figure out how to flush out the scum and the SK. this should be an interesting game.

[dirtydawg10]

Off to a good start already...lol.

Meatball and onion pizza for me.

[IceH2O]

Ice, are you Italian?


I'm better than Italian I'm Sicilian.


Pretty simple rules Noodles. The Dr better investigate the person they distrust the most since they only get 1 try to see if that person is good or bad.
The good news is the mafia only get 1 invest so they only have 1 chance to find the Dr.

I'm on the fence about the SK. Not sure that if I was the Dr and found them that I would protect them or out them.

So for discussion sake.....

If you knew who the SK was would you save them or lynch them?

[Coler]

SK is odd...they don't apparently have to kill anyone...they win by staying alive...per the rules they don't apparently care if the mafia or town win as they win either way. So unless they are an altruistic pro-town by choice sort...meh

Lessee...I reckon the mafia are emmmmmmmmm...Noodles for sure, Ice most likely...possibly Coler. Nah not Coler actually I read him innocent.

[IceH2O]

My first question: What toppings do you like on your pizza Kash?? ;)


I know you stated the question was just to get discussion started but WHY was it directed to Kash and not the group?

[IceH2O]

OMG. I started it as a joke. DD and Ice I think are the only ones who got it. No one else has been talking. Least it got some discussion right? LOL


Another thing that bothers me. You say and DD and I got the joke. Seems everyone pretty much went along with it, MC and Kash being the only ones that somewhat questioned it. So WHY point out the only DD and I got it?

[Dangerdoll]

yeah, that is a bit interesting.... I can understand you saying I got it, Bugz because I was posting around the same time you were and figured you were just picking on Kash and then everyone got involved........ but Ice.... what gives on saying he got it?

[jpappy789]

I LOVE sausage, onions, and peppers on my pizza.


Anywho, on the whole why Luvbugz asked Kashta it's odd that it was only directed at her but I'm not sure why that would be scummy. I guess at this point in the game it is something, but I'm not seeing it.

[Coler]

Another one ! Jpappy ! Definitely Mafia ! 100%er

[jpappy789]

I'm better than Italian I'm Sicilian.


Pretty simple rules Noodles. The Dr better investigate the person they distrust the most since they only get 1 try to see if that person is good or bad.
The good news is the mafia only get 1 invest so they only have 1 chance to find the Dr.

I'm on the fence about the SK. Not sure that if I was the Dr and found them that I would protect them or out them.

So for discussion sake.....

If you knew who the SK was would you save them or lynch them?

I should probably answer this...

I would try to lynch them.

Why? Well there is only a 50% chance they are with the town in the first place, well sort of as really they can waver and switch sides at their liking. There is no way to tell for sure which side they are on at the time as the SK can randomly hit anybody they choose: scum or not scum. And they don't know who is who, so they might be going for scum and hit a townie, or vice versa. I hope this makes sense. Therefore, I think it is best to get them out of the way as 1) they dont count towards the town's numbers and 2) they can easily kill townies night after night.

I don't know about other people, but thats what I would do.

[jpappy789]

Another one ! Jpappy ! Definitely Mafia ! 100%er
Darn.....:evil_lol:

[jpappy789]

One thing too...it seems that the rules say the Sk can kill at any point during the game, not just at night. Is that true Z?

[IceH2O]

Anywho, on the whole why Luvbugz asked Kashta it's odd that it was only directed at her but I'm not sure why that would be scummy. I guess at this point in the game it is something, but I'm not seeing it.

Who said anything about it being scummy?

Its an observation I'd like an answer to.

[jpappy789]

Who said anything about it being scummy?

Its an observation I'd like an answer to.
I don't know...where exactly do you draw the line between "interesting behavior" and "scummy"...sorry for confusing the two :rolleyes:

[Luvbugz]

Kash has been mafia and mucs in two games in a row now. Since the game rules said something about mafia eating pizza, I thought it would be funny to ask what Kash liked on her pizza kinda poking fun.
My question is: Ice: Why wouldn't you if you were the doctor and found out who the SK was try and take him out?? You said you didn't know if you would. The SK seems pretty anti-town to me.

[IceH2O]

Kash has been mafia and mucs in two games in a row now. Since the game rules said something about mafia eating pizza, I thought it would be funny to ask what Kash liked on her pizza kinda poking fun.
My question is: Ice: Why wouldn't you if you were the doctor and found out who the SK was try and take him out?? You said you didn't know if you would. The SK seems pretty anti-town to me.


How do we know what the SK is? Only the SK knows which way they want to roll. If pro town he is an asset as if we have 2 mafia in view we can lynch one and he can take the other out.

If they want to be anti town they can do some damage. A possible hit everyday could end the game quickly.

I'm on a wait and see scenario. If hits come quickly then its best to take the SK down.


So explain to me why you perceive them to be anti town from the outset? The rules say he can be whichever he wants.



I accept the answer to why you asked Kash. Now answer why DD and I are the only ones to have gotten the joke when everyone played along?

[jpappy789]

How do we know what the SK is? Only the SK knows which way they want to roll. If pro town he is an asset as if we have 2 mafia in view we can lynch one and he can take the other out.

If they want to be anti town they can do some damage. A possible hit everyday could end the game quickly.

I'm on a wait and see scenario. If hits come quickly then its best to take the SK down.


So explain to me why you perceive them to be anti town from the outset? The rules say he can be whichever he wants.



I accept the answer to why you asked Kash. Now answer why DD and I are the only ones to have gotten the joke when everyone played along?
IMO it doesn't matter how pro-town the SK is they still have a good chance of hitting townies. One person's gut instinct is no different really than the collective votes of the town in this situation. On the flip side if they are with the mafia they have a chance of hitting mafia too, but even less so than townies given a normal split of more innocents/less evils.

In this game the SK can choose whatever "side" they want but the outcome of the hits are not going to follow those lines 100% of the time.

[Luvbugz]

The way I look at it is: The SK can kill all willy nilly whomever he/she wants and whenever they want. I highly doubt they are really gonna pick sides to "help" because they are totally in it for their self preservation. The way I look at it we already have the mafia picking us off one by one, why take a chance at getting picked off by the SK too??

[Kashta]

I'm better than Italian I'm Sicilian.


Pretty simple rules Noodles. The Dr better investigate the person they distrust the most since they only get 1 try to see if that person is good or bad.
The good news is the mafia only get 1 invest so they only have 1 chance to find the Dr.

I'm on the fence about the SK. Not sure that if I was the Dr and found them that I would protect them or out them.

So for discussion sake.....

If you knew who the SK was would you save them or lynch them?

That got me thinking... Few reasons come to mind which lead me to decide that I would take out the SK if I knew who it was. The SK has no allegiance to one side or the other so nothing they do or say is going to help us root out scum... if ongoing participation doesn't benefit any of us (isn't particularly pro-town), then there's no reason (so far) to protect them or keep that person in the game.

At best, they'll just add to the confusion which also doesn't help us... that would help the mafia more than anyone else. At worst, they'll be able to kill at random instead of selectively..... where the population of potential victims is something around 3/4 townies to 1/4 scum. So lacking any reason to target scum over citizens those random deaths will more likely kill innocents.

I see more ways in which the SK will likely hurt us more than help us, so that's more reason to remove them.

[dirtydawg10]

I think the taking out the SK deal will depend on who the SK hits. If they have bad judgment and/or are purposely hitting townies they need to go down. If the hits fall on the mafia they stay. The SK could also take the place of the UD's if they are so inclined. I think it all depends on the actions of the SK.

[noodles62]

Interesting thoughts about the SK. I am not sure at this early point in the game if I would take them out or not, if I figured out who it was.... The rules state that the Mafia wins when they out number the town + the SK; so in that respect keeping him around helps the towns numbers. However if the SK is picking off the townies right and left, he has got to go.....I am a little confused (yea, I know - here she goes!) where the rules state that the SK wins if they survive till either the mafia or the town win the game. So does the SK's win supercede a town or mafia win? does that mean both sides lose and the SK wins? If that is the case then it would be in the towns best interest to take him out for the win...kind of a damned if you do, damned if you dont.

[noodles62]

SK is odd...they don't apparently have to kill anyone...they win by staying alive...per the rules they don't apparently care if the mafia or town win as they win either way. So unless they are an altruistic pro-town by choice sort...meh

Lessee...I reckon the mafia are emmmmmmmmm...Noodles for sure, Ice most likely...possibly Coler. Nah not Coler actually I read him innocent.

:silly:

[IceH2O]

I think the taking out the SK deal will depend on who the SK hits. If they have bad judgment and/or are purposely hitting townies they need to go down. If the hits fall on the mafia they stay. The SK could also take the place of the UD's if they are so inclined. I think it all depends on the actions of the SK.


This is my thinking also. Why waste votes for lynching on low posters when the SK can just knock them off, if we as a whole determine its a useful proposition.

If the SK just starts sending in daily hits then yes he needs to be removed. If they are taking down mafia then he stays.

He does count towards our numbers so in my mind he is a townie until actions prove otherwise.

Noodles, the SK wins if alive at the end of the game no matter which side wins. As long as they survive.

[mostlycichlids]

Well, just checking in, I just woke up and caught up on threads....going to look at a new dog so will be out for a bit but I will be back later.

I'm better than Italian I'm Sicilian.


Pretty simple rules Noodles. The Dr better investigate the person they distrust the most since they only get 1 try to see if that person is good or bad.
The good news is the mafia only get 1 invest so they only have 1 chance to find the Dr.

I'm on the fence about the SK. Not sure that if I was the Dr and found them that I would protect them or out them.

So for discussion sake.....

If you knew who the SK was would you save them or lynch them? I don't know, after reading through everyone elses opinions on the SK I am really on the fence if I would out him/her or not. As I think ddawg had stated the SK could be helpful at taking out UD's, as the rules read they can pick a side but can't communicate with anyone. If they decide to kill someone it is going to be totally random and who knows if ti would be mafia or innocent. Also there is possibility of them playing both sides of the fence. I would lean more towards getting rid of such player first.

Another thing that bothers me. You say and DD and I got the joke. Seems everyone pretty much went along with it, MC and Kash being the only ones that somewhat questioned it. So WHY point out the only DD and I got it? That does seem strange, and still has not been answered...correct me if I am wrong.

Kash has been mafia and mucs in two games in a row now. Since the game rules said something about mafia eating pizza, I thought it would be funny to ask what Kash liked on her pizza kinda poking fun.
My question is: Ice: Why wouldn't you if you were the doctor and found out who the SK was try and take him out?? You said you didn't know if you would. The SK seems pretty anti-town to me. How is the SK totally anti-town, why do you say this? The rules are pretty specific as to the SK being able to play both roles or choose. The SK also does not have to kill anyone, but can kill anytime if they so choose. I am just curious to know your thinking on this?

The way I look at it is: The SK can kill all willy nilly whomever he/she wants and whenever they want. I highly doubt they are really gonna pick sides to "help" because they are totally in it for their self preservation. The way I look at it we already have the mafia picking us off one by one, why take a chance at getting picked off by the SK too??...lol looks like you answered the Q above already. I still don't know yeah SK are scum but in this game there is a real twist to the SK role IMO which can help the townies...esp if they try and hit someone and find them to be mafia. Also what if the SK is killing for a vengence to get rid of mafia...I guess only the SK knows his true role?

[ZSandmann]

One thing too...it seems that the rules say the Sk can kill at any point during the game, not just at night. Is that true Z?

Correct

[noodles62]

This is my thinking also. Why waste votes for lynching on low posters when the SK can just knock them off, if we as a whole determine its a useful proposition.

If the SK just starts sending in daily hits then yes he needs to be removed. If they are taking down mafia then he stays.

He does count towards our numbers so in my mind he is a townie until actions prove otherwise.

Noodles, the SK wins if alive at the end of the game no matter which side wins. As long as they survive.

Very logical and valid points..... We just have to wait and see how the SK plays it out.

[maverickbr77]

Z if the SK and mafia both call in a hit will we know who hit who?

I think Ice is right on the SK we need to see how they act before we decide if we should take them out or not

[ZSandmann]

Z if the SK and mafia both call in a hit will we know who hit who?

I think Ice is right on the SK we need to see how they act before we decide if we should take them out or not

The SK's Hit is instant, but I won't announce it till Nightfall. But you will know who killed who.

[jm1212]

The SK's Hit is instant, but I won't announce it till Nightfall. But you will know who killed who.
so we will eventually know the identity of the SK?

[maverickbr77]

i dont think so we will just know the serial killer hit player X and the mafia hit player Y so its no more than what we normally learn from a hit

[mostlycichlids]

so we will eventually know the identity of the SK?
I think Z means that the player the SK hits will die instantly and wont be able to post anymore and will be notified but won't be announced till nightfall...Is this the case Z?

[mostlycichlids]

Haven't heard anything from:
Dopehand, The Red Severum, Agassizii, rich311k, johnlarson66 yet to this point, come on people you signed up now get ta posting...I may go get tattooed tonight so I may not be back till later....hoping there are a lot more posts by then.

[noodles62]

The Serial Killers Hit may occur at any time during the day, when I recieve the Hit request the person to be Hit will be contacted and they may no longer post. Bala will announce the Hit at Nightfall.b

I think Z means that the player the SK hits will die instantly and wont be able to post anymore and will be notified but won't be announced till nightfall...Is this the case Z?

Sounds right.....

[rich311k]

Sorry I was out all day. The SK could be a help or a bane. He could also look at this as a lot of fun and kill people just because he can. The biggest argument to keep him around is that he counts as a towny. Of course if he starts knocking off townys then that is a mute point.

He also could switch whenver he wanted as he just needs to stick around for a decision, one way or the other.

[Dangerdoll]

god points all around.... however, I will say that although Bugz has answered a couple things... or rather, has posted a couple things, not answered..... she has yet to answer the single one thing Ice has asked... and that peaks my interest considerably. Bugz... how about it? Are you gonna ansswer it or hope that it just goes away?

[Luvbugz]

Anyone that likes veggies on a pizza is mafia scum in hiding. Its their way to throw us off as all Italians know veggies don't belong on pizza. They go in the salad next to the pizza.

I think this pretty much easily answers why I thought Ice got the joke. He was being just as sarcastic as I was. Not understanding the big deal. In fact, wondering why some of you are trying to make mountains outta molehills. I don't think there is much more to say about it. It was a joke poking a little fun at Kash and how she always seems to get the mafia roles. The mafia were discribed as "pizza - eating", so I asked Kash what she liked on her pizza. Guess I shoulda added the *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* at the end.

[mostlycichlids]

Wink wink....hmm only mafia can communicate as the rules read....The pizza question the winking, nudging is a sign of some sort of communication with Kash, maybe that needs to be questioned...hmmm.

[jpappy789]

I must have missed the point about the mafia needing to out number the town+SK so I guess it does give them some legitimacy. So for now we wait and see what happens.

Nothing really else to talk about.


So how about that darn economy?

[IceH2O]

Dopehand, The Red Severum, Agassizii, johnlarson66 of the 3 JL has the most experience. Red has played a few games and Dope and Ag are 1st timers.

If I decide to vote for a non poster it will be JL or Red as the others don't worry me,yet.

Seeing as I have nothing at the moment I think its a safer vote for me.

I think I might check to see who has been on the site out of these players and not posted here. That would definitely get my vote.

Thanks for answering Luv, I get the jist but still don't understand why you pointed us 2 out when most of the group seemed to know you were joking around. Why not name the others also?

[rich311k]

If we want go random, what the hack are the Mets doing? Man are the Yanks spanking them.

[IceH2O]

I must have missed the point about the mafia needing to out number the town+SK so I guess it does give them some legitimacy. So for now we wait and see what happens.

Nothing really else to talk about.


So how about that darn economy?


Find something to talk about. I still have no idea which way to vote and need bush kicking help.

[rich311k]

I guess we have run the pizza thing into the ground. I see you are your usual go getem self, Ice.

[IceH2O]

If we want go random, what the hack are the Mets doing? Man are the Yanks spanking them.


No Reyes, No Delgado, No Beltran should I keep going?

The entire Mets lineup right now as a whole has 10 less HRs then Puljos alone.

[IceH2O]

I guess we have run the pizza thing into the ground. I see you are your usual go getem self, Ice.


Exhaust all avenues I always say.

[jpappy789]

Dopehand- was online today at 5:14 pm (CST)
JL- last post was yesterday morning in the sign up thread
Agassizii- on today at 4:13 pm (CST)
TRS- was on the site yesterday

(I think the times are correct)

So out of all of them only the total newbs were on AC today but have not posted...what are the chances that both pulled a 3L? LOL

[IceH2O]

So out of all of them only the total newbs were on AC today but have not posted...what are the chances that both pulled a 3L? LOL


Wouldn't doubt it...

[jpappy789]

*sigh*

Guess I'm all alone...must be time for bed then.

[Luvbugz]

what does 3l mean??

[jpappy789]

3L was a player in the past who's first game, I think it was, showed up to the game within hours of the first nightfall and voted. His excuse was that he got the PM but didn't know that there was a separate game thread from the sign up one or didn't know it was stickied or something to that effect. He received a lot of crap, got voted off, and I believe ended up innocent.

Anyways, I was thinking maybe the newbies missed the game thread since they should have gotten their pm's.

[FireDancer7905]

I think that it would be best to take out the SK, because they have no more information than the rest of us. It would be just as likely that they take one of us, as taking out a baddy.

I'm also confused as to why Kashta's post was considered odd? I've answered much weirder questions on Day 1.

And... I'm in Cali, what time does that make nightfall out here?

[FireDancer7905]

*edit* not Kashta, Luvbugz.

[FireDancer7905]

3L was a player in the past who's first game, I think it was, showed up to the game within hours of the first nightfall and voted. His excuse was that he got the PM but didn't know that there was a separate game thread from the sign up one or didn't know it was stickied or something to that effect. He received a lot of crap, got voted off, and I believe ended up innocent.

Anyways, I was thinking maybe the newbies missed the game thread since they should have gotten their pm's.

lol, I remember that. funny stuff. :)

[jpappy789]

Yeah he was all over the place...I have to admit that even though he was innocent it was funny to read his excuses.

[FireDancer7905]

At least it was something to talk about on day 1.

[jpappy789]

I think that it would be best to take out the SK, because they have no more information than the rest of us. It would be just as likely that they take one of us, as taking out a baddy.

I'm also confused as to why Kashta's post was considered odd? I've answered much weirder questions on Day 1.

And... I'm in Cali, what time does that make nightfall out here?

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think the jist of it was the Luv specified DD and Ice getting the joke when other people did too?

[Kashta]

I'm here and catching up. Gee, not a lot to catch up on and so many who haven't posted. Seems like a waste of town votes having to lynch the ones who would otherwise UD. They've alway turned up innocent from what I've seen so far. Prolongs the game, I guess. There just is no solution when someone doesn't participate.

[Kashta]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think the jist of it was the Luv specified DD and Ice getting the joke when other people did too?

That was my take on it too, jpappy. Then when I repeated my question she'd ignored before she still didn't answer. Took a 3rd time when Ice brought it up again. Could be a fluke though, I probably wouldn't question this so hard if we had more dialogue from others at this point.

[jpappy789]

I'm here and catching up. Gee, not a lot to catch up on and so many who haven't posted. Seems like a waste of town votes having to lynch the ones who would otherwise UD. They've alway turned up innocent from what I've seen so far. Prolongs the game, I guess. There just is no solution when someone doesn't participate.
True, I think it worked well in the past without UDs. Kept the game going without random innocents (or PRs for that matter) dieing.

Granted, it worked much better when everyone participated...guess those days are gone.

[mostlycichlids]

I think that it would be best to take out the SK, because they have no more information than the rest of us. It would be just as likely that they take one of us, as taking out a baddy.

I'm also confused as to why Kashta's post was considered odd? I've answered much weirder questions on Day 1.

And... I'm in Cali, what time does that make nightfall out here?
Three hours earlier FD
Well a lot of random talk and not a lot of posting. Why do you think it would be best to take out the SK...your explanation needs clairification. The new players need to get over here and play.

[mostlycichlids]

Dopehand- was online today at 5:14 pm (CST)
JL- last post was yesterday morning in the sign up thread
Agassizii- on today at 4:13 pm (CST)
TRS- was on the site yesterday

(I think the times are correct)

So out of all of them only the total newbs were on AC today but have not posted...what are the chances that both pulled a 3L? LOL


To add to the list Dirtydawg, Dangerdoll and Coler have been pretty quiet as well.

[mostlycichlids]

Well not really adding to the list as I said above.....just wanted to note their lack of participation to this point.

[jpappy789]

To add to the list Dirtydawg, Dangerdoll and Coler have been pretty quiet as well.
Why DD? She has been in the mix and is more vocal than usual with the quesitoning of Luv...if anyone jm has only 2 posts so far. But with there being just over 24 hours of gameplay so far I would be more worried about who is a no show vs. who exactly is talking.

[mostlycichlids]

True, dd is talking a lot more than usual. I am not to "worried about the ones who havent posted as much as I am a bit disgusted they havent made an attempt to even post or log in. Really makes the game drab. Oh well all we have to go on so far is Pizza....

[jpappy789]

Again, it's been just over 24 hours now. Day one is day one.

[Agassizii]

hmmmm......Been gone all day and there is already 9 pages of posts to read. Time to review what I have missed.

[noodles62]

Dopehand- was online today at 5:14 pm (CST)
JL- last post was yesterday morning in the sign up thread
Agassizii- on today at 4:13 pm (CST)
TRS- was on the site yesterday

(I think the times are correct)

So out of all of them only the total newbs were on AC today but have not posted...what are the chances that both pulled a 3L? LOL

Agassizii finally showed up - for one post; I am surprised nothing from JL yet...TRS too...my vote will most likely go to one of them unless they show up and start to participate.

To add to the list Dirtydawg, Dangerdoll and Coler have been pretty quiet as well.

DD has been here, more than usual. Dawg and Coler seem to be same as always....

Not sure where my thoughts/suspicions are otherwise...need more coffee. :coffee:

[noodles62]

Find something to talk about. I still have no idea which way to vote and need bush kicking help.

I'm with you but not have no idea what bushes to kick. will read/think more after I take care of my morning chores and see what I can come up with.

[dirtydawg10]

To add to the list Dirtydawg, Dangerdoll and Coler have been pretty quiet as well.

I usually do start the games off a bit quiet until the ball starts rolling and we can get more info. However this weekend I will be especially quiet because I am heading to NH for the NASCAR race today. This will probably be my last post before nightfall unless it happens in the next half hour or so. I don't have a lot to go on but MC you do have me thinking about you as mafia. So...I vote to lynch MC.

I don't have a lot to go on since it is day one but I just have a feeling he is scum. I will most likely be leaving my vote where it is.

[dirtydawg10]

...and I'm gone. I will be back to full play tomorrow and for the remainder of the game.

[Coler]

Nuthin. Flat out nuthin. Some of y'all look scummy though.

[IceH2O]

I think that it would be best to take out the SK, because they have no more information than the rest of us. It would be just as likely that they take one of us, as taking out a baddy.

I'm also confused as to why Kashta's post was considered odd? I've answered much weirder questions on Day 1.

And... I'm in Cali, what time does that make nightfall out here?



6 Pacific...Thought you were a teacher?


You all act like the SK HAS to take a daily shot. The SK could never take a shot if they so chose. If the SK is smart they won't take any shots today at all. If they start killing all willy nilly we are in trouble. There are no avenues to track them down unless the Dr gets lucky.

If they take a shot today then I agree they need to be removed, even if it hits mafia just bc it was a luck shot. There are no for sure tell tale signs of mafia yet so if they did hit one it wasn't planned.

The Dr needs to hold their invest as long as possible, don't waste it early since you only get one.

[Dangerdoll]

I think this pretty much easily answers why I thought Ice got the joke. He was being just as sarcastic as I was. Not understanding the big deal. In fact, wondering why some of you are trying to make mountains outta molehills. I don't think there is much more to say about it. It was a joke poking a little fun at Kash and how she always seems to get the mafia roles. The mafia were discribed as "pizza - eating", so I asked Kash what she liked on her pizza. Guess I shoulda added the *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* at the end.
eh, I still have a problem with this explanation (I am trying to guess that that's what this is....) The issue I have with it is not so much as you have said I got the joke but there was a lot of posting in between my post and Ice's post... where all involved seemed to carry in the joke... yet you still single us two out.

So then I read today that MC also has a problem with my posting level. Ok, I can see if we were talking days into the game, MC but come on, there is not much going on. So, actually, looking at the numbers, when you made this post, you only had 1 or 2 posts more than I did.... so what gives? would that be an error in judgement? If you are merely a townie trying to look for early clues.... I think you should look a little further than post count at this point....

[Dangerdoll]

guys, I have a family picnic to go to today and will be gone from 12-6 (Eastern).... so MC, just so you know, I will be quiet during this time.

[noodles62]

Well, I dont have a lot of time; going to the city pool to beat this nasty heat.....

I am gonna go ahead and throw my vote out there, but I should be back before nightfall. I vote to lynch The Red Severum. TRS has played enough games to know the importance of participation, yet he has not posted at all yet. I think he is using the no UD rule as a safety net to hide for a while.....just my thoughts. (of course this could also apply to JL but JL is not known for hiding or being quiet. I suspect RL is a factor. therefore TRS gets my vote for now)
there really is not much else to go on at this point although I do agree with a couple other points that others have made about Bugz and MC.

[noodles62]

Correction: I vote to lynch The Red Severum

[Coler]

You guys all need to cop on a bit and think about the benefits of this UD thang. You don't have to vote. Now, how many times does anyone nail a mafia on day 1 vote ? Exactly. How do mafia win games ? usually quickly, by getting 2 at a time each nightfall.

I am highly suspicious of anyone who has cast a vote and not called it out as basically random, i.e. tried to put any whiff of a genuine suspicion on it at all.

[Coler]

Oh yeah, and the non-participating people - who would be possible UD's under different rules - are far more likely innocent than mafia. Mafia play the game.

Oh yeah, and calling out the non-participating people, tagging votes on them etc, is a scum tell.

[Coler]

Well, I dont have a lot of time; going to the city pool to beat this nasty heat.....

I am gonna go ahead and throw my vote out there, but I should be back before nightfall. I vote to lynch The Red Severum. TRS has played enough games to know the importance of participation, yet he has not posted at all yet. I think he is using the no UD rule as a safety net to hide for a while.....just my thoughts. (of course this could also apply to JL but JL is not known for hiding or being quiet. I suspect RL is a factor. therefore TRS gets my vote for now)
there really is not much else to go on at this point although I do agree with a couple other points that others have made about Bugz and MC.


Do you ? What points ?

[mostlycichlids]

eh, I still have a problem with this explanation (I am trying to guess that that's what this is....) The issue I have with it is not so much as you have said I got the joke but there was a lot of posting in between my post and Ice's post... where all involved seemed to carry in the joke... yet you still single us two out.

So then I read today that MC also has a problem with my posting level. Ok, I can see if we were talking days into the game, MC but come on, there is not much going on. So, actually, looking at the numbers, when you made this post, you only had 1 or 2 posts more than I did.... so what gives? would that be an error in judgement? If you are merely a townie trying to look for early clues.... I think you should look a little further than post count at this point.... I guess you have posted more than I thought and more in the first day than in some games I have played with you....I guess it was a bad judgement call....My main reason for the concern was meerly just to get people talking....talking about something. I guess it worked.

I usually do start the games off a bit quiet until the ball starts rolling and we can get more info. However this weekend I will be especially quiet because I am heading to NH for the NASCAR race today. This will probably be my last post before nightfall unless it happens in the next half hour or so. I don't have a lot to go on but MC you do have me thinking about you as mafia. So...I vote to lynch MC.

I don't have a lot to go on since it is day one but I just have a feeling he is scum. I will most likely be leaving my vote where it is. Why the random vote for me? There are UD's and you put your vote on me because you say I seem scummy, why is this, just because the last few games I was picked to be scum....is that what you are basing your opinion on?

Well, I dont have a lot of time; going to the city pool to beat this nasty heat.....

I am gonna go ahead and throw my vote out there, but I should be back before nightfall. I vote to lynch The Red Severum. TRS has played enough games to know the importance of participation, yet he has not posted at all yet. I think he is using the no UD rule as a safety net to hide for a while.....just my thoughts. (of course this could also apply to JL but JL is not known for hiding or being quiet. I suspect RL is a factor. therefore TRS gets my vote for now)
there really is not much else to go on at this point although I do agree with a couple other points that others have made about Bugz and MC. What exact points do you agree on about me?

I wish I had something to go do today...lol I have no life I guess, the pool sounds good so does a picnic!

[mostlycichlids]

You guys all need to cop on a bit and think about the benefits of this UD thang. You don't have to vote. Now, how many times does anyone nail a mafia on day 1 vote ? Exactly. How do mafia win games ? usually quickly, by getting 2 at a time each nightfall.

I am highly suspicious of anyone who has cast a vote and not called it out as basically random, i.e. tried to put any whiff of a genuine suspicion on it at all.

Well, I dont have a lot of time; going to the city pool to beat this nasty heat.....

I am gonna go ahead and throw my vote out there, but I should be back before nightfall. I vote to lynch The Red Severum. TRS has played enough games to know the importance of participation, yet he has not posted at all yet. I think he is using the no UD rule as a safety net to hide for a while.....just my thoughts. (of course this could also apply to JL but JL is not known for hiding or being quiet. I suspect RL is a factor. therefore TRS gets my vote for now)
there really is not much else to go on at this point although I do agree with a couple other points that others have made about Bugz and MC.


Do you ? What points ?

Exactly what I was thinking.

[IceH2O]

You guys all need to cop on a bit and think about the benefits of this UD thang. You don't have to vote. Now, how many times does anyone nail a mafia on day 1 vote ? Exactly. How do mafia win games ? usually quickly, by getting 2 at a time each nightfall.

I am highly suspicious of anyone who has cast a vote and not called it out as basically random, i.e. tried to put any whiff of a genuine suspicion on it at all.

Oh yeah, and the non-participating people - who would be possible UD's under different rules - are far more likely innocent than mafia. Mafia play the game.

Oh yeah, and calling out the non-participating people, tagging votes on them etc, is a scum tell.


I couldn't disagree more.

If we all sit back and vote no one then how do we track down mafia? Mafia don't need to vote which in turn doesn't leave a trail to follow. But letting non participants alone we also have no clues.

The only thing I do agree with above is the bolded statement. Except that I do have a genuine explanation.



I vote to lynch Coler




In this setup its a high probability that the mafia does just sit back and do nothing. Why do anything when there is no reason too? No lynches just means the game lasts longer because the only deaths are by hits. With no voting pattern they can't be tracked and it leaves the SK to guessing and pretty much forces them to place hits increasing the chance of hitting townies. Or the SK decides since they can't track mafia might as well help the mafia and take out 2 players per night. They have a better chance at hitting townies so again why should the mafia show themselves at all.

This setup lends itself to hiding as a covering thyself aspect.

I don't agree with the TRS vote by Noodles atm just bc most games have started the 1st of the month or soon after, not before so I'm not sure they even know the game has started.

[mostlycichlids]

In this setup its a high probability that the mafia does just sit back and do nothing. Why do anything when there is no reason too? No lynches just means the game lasts longer because the only deaths are by hits. With no voting pattern they can't be tracked and it leaves the SK to guessing and pretty much forces them to place hits increasing the chance of hitting townies. Or the SK decides since they can't track mafia might as well help the mafia and take out 2 players per night. They have a better chance at hitting townies so again why should the mafia show themselves at all.

This setup lends itself to hiding as a covering thyself aspect.

I don't agree with the TRS vote by Noodles atm just bc most games have started the 1st of the month or soon after, not before so I'm not sure they even know the game has started. You have a good point in the top paragraph...I disagree with the people who havent showed up not knowing the game has started...everyone has got a PM.

[jpappy789]

Well, I dont have a lot of time; going to the city pool to beat this nasty heat.....

I am gonna go ahead and throw my vote out there, but I should be back before nightfall. I vote to lynch The Red Severum. TRS has played enough games to know the importance of participation, yet he has not posted at all yet. I think he is using the no UD rule as a safety net to hide for a while.....just my thoughts. (of course this could also apply to JL but JL is not known for hiding or being quiet. I suspect RL is a factor. therefore TRS gets my vote for now)
there really is not much else to go on at this point although I do agree with a couple other points that others have made about Bugz and MC.
Noods, there is a difference between hiding and not being on the site at all.

TRS was last logged on at 12:53 pm CST on Friday. The game started at 6:15 PM that same day. There is no way that TRS got his PM then, unless I am missing something here. TRS does not know his role therefore there is no way to say for sure that he is a mafia hiding.

And I am curious as to why you are giving JL a pass. He is in the same situation, and actually knows more about the game than TRS. It makes more sense to vote JL because he should be posting. But same thing, JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have a PM. If anyone should be questioned it is Dopehand who was online yesterday but stil hasn't posted. Yet you go after TRS?

I vote to lynch Noodles

Best I got so far.

[IceH2O]

You have a good point in the top paragraph...I disagree with the people who havent showed up not knowing the game has started...everyone has got a PM.


They only know if they've been to the site. Nothing points to that being the case except for as Jpap pointed out the Dopehead.

[mostlycichlids]

Well most likely true but not necessarily...He could have email notification of PM as I do. That is how I know the game had started...ya never know do you. One would assume that is not the case.

[jpappy789]

Noods, there is a difference between hiding and not being on the site at all.

TRS was last logged on at 12:53 pm CST on Friday. The game started at 6:15 PM that same day. There is no way that TRS got his PM then, unless I am missing something here. TRS does not know his role therefore there is no way to say for sure that he is a mafia hiding.

And I am curious as to why you are giving JL a pass. He is in the same situation, and actually knows more about the game than TRS. It makes more sense to vote JL because he should be posting. But same thing, JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have a PM. If anyone should be questioned it is Dopehand who was online yesterday but stil hasn't posted. Yet you go after TRS?

I vote to lynch Noodles

Best I got so far.

should be "JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have seen a PM." Just for perfections sake...

[jpappy789]

hmmmm......Been gone all day and there is already 9 pages of posts to read. Time to review what I have missed.
Interesting. Posted once about reading but nothing after that?

[mostlycichlids]

Hmm jpapp, that does raise some suspicion.

[jpappy789]

Oh yeah, and the non-participating people - who would be possible UD's under different rules - are far more likely innocent than mafia. Mafia play the game.

Oh yeah, and calling out the non-participating people, tagging votes on them etc, is a scum tell.

I would be interested in seeing the avg number of posts per game for mafia/scum players compared to the avg for innocents. Also, the drop in posts per game for each player when comparing games when they are evil and innocent.

9 times out of 10 a scum player is a mid to low poster. You may get one outlier from a vet who is normally talkative but usually the others tend to blend in.

Take last game.

mav- middle
Kashta- middle
coler- very high post count
mc- middle

These players were rebels from the start. No doubt that if more players lasted the full game the scum with middle posts would have been lower in the ranking. So saying that all mafia "play the game" is not going to be true. And as Ice pointed out, this game play is different than the last chunk we have played.

[noodles62]

Noods, there is a difference between hiding and not being on the site at all.

TRS was last logged on at 12:53 pm CST on Friday. The game started at 6:15 PM that same day. There is no way that TRS got his PM then, unless I am missing something here. TRS does not know his role therefore there is no way to say for sure that he is a mafia hiding.

And I am curious as to why you are giving JL a pass. He is in the same situation, and actually knows more about the game than TRS. It makes more sense to vote JL because he should be posting. But same thing, JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have a PM. If anyone should be questioned it is Dopehand who was online yesterday but stil hasn't posted. Yet you go after TRS?

I vote to lynch Noodles

Best I got so far.


They only know if they've been to the site. Nothing points to that being the case except for as Jpap pointed out the Dopehead.

I did not check to see if TRS had been on the sight at all, so was giving JL the benefit of the doubt. If you ahd mentioned it earlier I apparently missed it.
Very good point about Dopehand, altho a noob, has been on the site but not the game. could be nervous about a "baddie" role and laying low.

I need to do a little more thinking on this. I hate night one. I will be leaving for the pool in a while (waiting for the crowd to thin out- I hope) so in the meantime; I retract my vote for The Red Severum.

And thanks for the vote Jpap; would not be the same if I did not get a vote (or many!) from the get go! will answer other questions asked of me later. I need to go now.

[mostlycichlids]

Oh yeah, and calling out the non-participating people, tagging votes on them etc, is a scum tell. Explain?




I don't believe post count has anything much to do with one being innocent or Mafia...maybe late in the game but not early on. jpapp I think what Coler means by "mafia play the game" is sometimes they have to play both sides to make them look innocent. This would make them post more therefore have a higher post count. Like I said though people play different in different situations and roles....In the last game there were many players with low to mid post counts that were innocent...and many with similar post counts that were rebels.

Now that being said the ones with low post counts that have checked into the forum and the thread that haven't posted in a few pages that log in and don't post are suspicious.

[jpappy789]

LOL noodles you quoted my post about this in your post #91. so how could you not see that TRS had not been on when I said that in the same post you quoted? You even mentioned JL and TRS so there had to be some sort of connection...

And your welcome for the vote.

[mostlycichlids]

I am going to throw my vote in now...

I VOTE TO LYNCH DOPEHAND

He has not checked in, I am sure he knows the game has started, even if he does end up showing he likely won't be much for participation or much help. Sense I really have no suspects and not much to go on he gets my random vote for lack of participation.

[mostlycichlids]

Well, looking back now I guess I do have a suspicion about Luvbugs with her pizza Q asking Kash and then her singling out DD and Ice with saying they were the only ones to get the joke. I got some thinking to do.

[Coler]

I couldn't disagree more.

If we all sit back and vote no one then how do we track down mafia? Mafia don't need to vote which in turn doesn't leave a trail to follow. But letting non participants alone we also have no clues.

The only thing I do agree with above is the bolded statement. Except that I do have a genuine explanation.



I vote to lynch Coler




In this setup its a high probability that the mafia does just sit back and do nothing. Why do anything when there is no reason too? No lynches just means the game lasts longer because the only deaths are by hits. With no voting pattern they can't be tracked and it leaves the SK to guessing and pretty much forces them to place hits increasing the chance of hitting townies. Or the SK decides since they can't track mafia might as well help the mafia and take out 2 players per night. They have a better chance at hitting townies so again why should the mafia show themselves at all.

This setup lends itself to hiding as a covering thyself aspect.

I don't agree with the TRS vote by Noodles atm just bc most games have started the 1st of the month or soon after, not before so I'm not sure they even know the game has started.

Ice...you don't need to be told to go back and read other games as you've played enough of them. The most straightforward mafia vote on day 1 is either one of a) a player who has made a howler and then defends themselves poorly or b) a non-participating player who isn't defending themselves anyway, and indeed who can be explained away on D2 by saying 'well they wern't playing anyway and wern't helping the town' etc etc.

In the absence of howlers...so far...settling on non-participating players for votes is a solid scum tell at this time in the game.

As regards whether the UD rule in this game is of assistance to the town or not - it is clearly of assistance as it will take that bit longer necessarily for the numbers to turn in the mafia's failure.

Your suggestion that the mafia are likely to sit back and do literally nothing might of course be correct. That is not entirely consistent with your voting me who is a) participating and b) not doing nothing but meh so be it.

Otherwise the way I see it, if you (ice) are for instance in the mafia then you are reasonably likely to go kill me early in the game anyway and if you're not mafia, then neither you or I are likely to be long for the game either because they will hit us both just as soon as they can :D

[jpappy789]

Ice...you don't need to be told to go back and read other games as you've played enough of them. The most straightforward mafia vote on day 1 is either one of a) a player who has made a howler and then defends themselves poorly or b) a non-participating player who isn't defending themselves anyway, and indeed who can be explained away on D2 by saying 'well they wern't playing anyway and wern't helping the town' etc etc.

In the absence of howlers...so far...settling on non-participating players for votes is a solid scum tell at this time in the game.

As regards whether the UD rule in this game is of assistance to the town or not - it is clearly of assistance as it will take that bit longer necessarily for the numbers to turn in the mafia's failure.

Your suggestion that the mafia are likely to sit back and do literally nothing might of course be correct. That is not entirely consistent with your voting me who is a) participating and b) not doing nothing but meh so be it.

Otherwise the way I see it, if you (ice) are for instance in the mafia then you are reasonably likely to go kill me early in the game anyway and if you're not mafia, then neither you or I are likely to be long for the game either because they will hit us both just as soon as they can :D

I suppose that since there are no UDs the mafia would want to get non-participating players out of the way early, but that is assuming those players are still innocent.

[mostlycichlids]

I suppose that since there are no UDs the mafia would want to get non-participating players out of the way early, but that is assuming those players are still innocent.

I don't agree with that logic. Why would you want someone around not contributing...I mean on day one there is a 50/50 chance they are either mafia or innocent right? Yes in a lot of the games the UD's are innocent but you never really know till balla reveals their identity.

[jpappy789]

I don't agree with that logic. Why would you want someone around not contributing...I mean on day one there is a 50/50 chance they are either mafia or innocent right? Yes in a lot of the games the UD's are innocent but you never really know till balla reveals their identity.

How did what I say not make sense? A lot of the time (almost every game) the UDs hurt the town's numbers. This time around the mafia have to get rid of them. They know who is who, so they can target lynch the possible players who would otherwise UD rather than waste a hit on them which could be put to better use, like ousting a vet.

Even if they are not participating, if they are innocent they still keep us in the game longer. I don't know, I tend to lean to Coler's side on this argument.

Basically it comes down to this: are you willing to take a chance if they are not scum?

[jpappy789]

I forgot to add...

Like coler said, its a lot easier for a scum player to justify a vote on someone not here rather than a player who is around to defend themselves.

Just a thought

[FireDancer7905]

Three hours earlier FD
Well a lot of random talk and not a lot of posting. Why do you think it would be best to take out the SK...your explanation needs clairification. The new players need to get over here and play.

I'm not sure what is unclear about my reason. I think the sk is a wild card who is just as likely to take out a townie as mafia. We have no way of knowing which side they will choose, so they are a liability.

True, dd is talking a lot more than usual. I am not to "worried about the ones who havent posted as much as I am a bit disgusted they havent made an attempt to even post or log in. Really makes the game drab. Oh well all we have to go on so far is Pizza....

Bit harsh, dontcha think?

6 Pacific...Thought you were a teacher?


You all act like the SK HAS to take a daily shot. The SK could never take a shot if they so chose. If the SK is smart they won't take any shots today at all. If they start killing all willy nilly we are in trouble. There are no avenues to track them down unless the Dr gets lucky.

If they take a shot today then I agree they need to be removed, even if it hits mafia just bc it was a luck shot. There are no for sure tell tale signs of mafia yet so if they did hit one it wasn't planned.

The Dr needs to hold their invest as long as possible, don't waste it early since you only get one.

lol, Wasn't sure where Z is. Thanks.

I see where you're coming from with the non-requisite hit. If we got a newb though, I don't see them not taking a hit. Couldn't this (a hit) explain one of the non-posters? If they're hit, hey immediately lose posting ability, right? I'll rule check to be sure....

Also, Doc should heed this advice.

I suppose that since there are no UDs the mafia would want to get non-participating players out of the way early, but that is assuming those players are still innocent.

Why? I would think the opposite.

[FireDancer7905]

The Serial Killers Hit may occur at any time during the day, when I recieve the Hit request the person to be Hit will be contacted and they may no longer post. Bala will announce the Hit at Nightfall.

From the rules. Could explain some non-poster.

[Luvbugz]

Wink wink....hmm only mafia can communicate as the rules read....The pizza question the winking, nudging is a sign of some sort of communication with Kash, maybe that needs to be questioned...hmmm.

Ice...you don't need to be told to go back and read other games as you've played enough of them. The most straightforward mafia vote on day 1 is either one of a) a player who has made a howler and then defends themselves poorly or b) a non-participating player who isn't defending themselves anyway, and indeed who can be explained away on D2 by saying 'well they wern't playing anyway and wern't helping the town' etc etc.

In the absence of howlers...so far...settling on non-participating players for votes is a solid scum tell at this time in the game.

As regards whether the UD rule in this game is of assistance to the town or not - it is clearly of assistance as it will take that bit longer necessarily for the numbers to turn in the mafia's failure.

Your suggestion that the mafia are likely to sit back and do literally nothing might of course be correct. That is not entirely consistent with your voting me who is a) participating and b) not doing nothing but meh so be it.

Otherwise the way I see it, if you (ice) are for instance in the mafia then you are reasonably likely to go kill me early in the game anyway and if you're not mafia, then neither you or I are likely to be long for the game either because they will hit us both just as soon as they can :D


I have to disagree with "the absense of howlers so far.." Coler. I totally think my pizza comment is trying to be used against me by some mafia members. I think that is the reason why it keeps being brought up eventhough I have explained myself fairly well. The one person who keeps bringing it up the most is MC. So, hence my vote. He has done both of what I consider scum tells. He tried to call me out as scummy first thing and now has also voted for a UD, but has left himself open to go back after me. I VOTE TO LYNCH MC.

Wink wink....hmm only mafia can communicate as the rules read....The pizza question the winking, nudging is a sign of some sort of communication with Kash, maybe that needs to be questioned...hmmm.

[jpappy789]

The mafia cannot rely on UDs to get rid of some innocents so they actually need to take out those people or more likely than not, play a part in their lynching somehow as it doesn't make sense for them to waste a hit on one of those players. Since its easier to justify a vote on someone like this earlier when there are just a bunch of willy-nilly votes anyways, they would want to do it as soon as possible. Once the game gets rolling people expect actual suspects.

[jpappy789]

^That was a response to FD

[jpappy789]

From the rules. Could explain some non-poster.
I don't think the SK would be so stupid as to hit someone this early. Harsh, but it would be royally stupid no matter what side they are on to pick a random hit early. Plus, it's already been explained (exhausted really) that 2/3 of the remaining players to post have not even been on AC yet. And I don't think the SK would want to hit a newb. Just doesn't seem plausible at this point.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the SK is going to wait until he/she sees the game tip to one side's favor and then use their hits. No sense in randomly hitting people only to even up the score. They want the game to be as quick as possible so they do not have to survive longer than needed. I could be entirely wrong, as I cannot know what the SK is thinking. Just my thoughts again...

[Luvbugz]

FD: I do think the mafia would vote out UDs early. For one, they would know whether or not they were innocent or not. Two: they could play it off as "well they weren't participating, probably mafia hiding, yadda yadda.." It would be an easy first day vote that wouldn't bring too much attention to themselves.

[FireDancer7905]

I can see that. My thinking was that they don't pose a threat to the mafia, as they're not actively case-building.

[maverickbr77]

as far as the Mafia going for a participating player or a quiet one. i would think that the mafia would watch for a participating player that has made a questionable post to go after and if they can't find someone they would then look to the quiet ones as a way to still get a innocent out of the game. If i was mafia rather get rid of as many vet/participating players as fast as possible as long as i didn't have to go out on a limb to do it.

I do think i need to look at the whole Pizza thing again. I think there is something in that whole interaction im just not sure what yet.

[noodles62]

Well, the pool was packed so we skipped it and came home....maybe hubby will leave me alone long enough for me to concetrate fora little while!

LOL noodles you quoted my post about this in your post #91. so how could you not see that TRS had not been on when I said that in the same post you quoted? You even mentioned JL and TRS so there had to be some sort of connection...

And your welcome for the vote.

You are correct. Sorry, I made that post early this morning and I guess did not retain it correctly - note that I also said I needed more coffee. LOL Sorry for my memory lapse. Not trying to make a lame excuse, just telling it like it is, lame or not.

Now to go back & read and see what I can come up, if anything.

[ZSandmann]

A little more than five hours till Nightfall. The town is stirring as it tries to decide who could be stalking the shadows of their little sleepy town.

There's a chance I may be a bit late getting on tonight, if that is the case then votes will be cut off at 8PM CST. Also, any PMs to be sent should be in by that time.

[mostlycichlids]

I have to disagree with "the absense of howlers so far.." Coler. I totally think my pizza comment is trying to be used against me by some mafia members. I think that is the reason why it keeps being brought up eventhough I have explained myself fairly well. The one person who keeps bringing it up the most is MC. So, hence my vote. He has done both of what I consider scum tells. He tried to call me out as scummy first thing and now has also voted for a UD, but has left himself open to go back after me. I VOTE TO LYNCH MC.

Why did you quote my text twice and then replied only to Colers quoted text? I explained my vote and it is really not set in stone as I had followed it up a post stating I was suspicious of you. I am not the only one questioning you as scum so why just vote for me. You seem really defensive about the situation so defensive that you vote to lynch me and state that I seem to be bringing it up more than anyone else. I have only said something about it twice the entire game how is that bringing it up more than anyone else?

I did call you out as scummy because of what you posted...it was not random in any way. You asked Kash in the 4th post of the game what kind of pizza she liked. Later your defense was that she was mafia in the last couple of games. By asking this question to me it would seem you are trying to call someone else out a scummy to make it appear you are innocent.

I don't know I feel your explanation of Kash being scummy in previous games is a way to make you look innocent.

I retract my vote on Dopehand and I VOTE TO LYNCH LUVBUGZ

[noodles62]

there really is not much else to go on at this point although I do agree with a couple other points that others have made about Bugz and MC.


Do you ? What points ?


eh, I still have a problem with this explanation (I am trying to guess that that's what this is....) The issue I have with it is not so much as you have said I got the joke but there was a lot of posting in between my post and Ice's post... where all involved seemed to carry in the joke... yet you still single us two out.

So then I read today that MC also has a problem with my posting level. Ok, I can see if we were talking days into the game, MC but come on, there is not much going on. So, actually, looking at the numbers, when you made this post, you only had 1 or 2 posts more than I did.... so what gives? would that be an error in judgement? If you are merely a townie trying to look for early clues.... I think you should look a little further than post count at this point....

How do we know what the SK is? Only the SK knows which way they want to roll. If pro town he is an asset as if we have 2 mafia in view we can lynch one and he can take the other out.

If they want to be anti town they can do some damage. A possible hit everyday could end the game quickly.

I'm on a wait and see scenario. If hits come quickly then its best to take the SK down.


So explain to me why you perceive them to be anti town from the outset? The rules say he can be whichever he wants.



I accept the answer to why you asked Kash. Now answer why DD and I are the only ones to have gotten the joke when everyone played along?

Well, I messed up the first quote from Coler a bit, but I thought I better his question.
I am inclined to agree with several players, (DD, Ice & MC) in regards to the way Bugz called out Ice and DD for their response to her "pizza" post but none of the others, when we all played along. However I am not convinced; I do not want to be led around by the nose.....not sure the whole scenario is not just being blown out of proportion...

As for MC, I find the way he called out DD for not posting much when he only had 1 or 2 more posts than she did.....seems odd.

Day one often comes down to a random vote and I hate it.

[mostlycichlids]

FD: I do think the mafia would vote out UDs early. For one, they would know whether or not they were innocent or not. Two: they could play it off as "well they weren't participating, probably mafia hiding, yadda yadda.." It would be an easy first day vote that wouldn't bring too much attention to themselves.

If that is the case then how would that not bring attention to themselves...Don't ya think if someone sees two or three people jump on a UD vote that would bring attention. I mean you say it is a good move for mafia to do this then say it wouldn't bring too much attention....I would think the opposite. The mafia know who is not mafia but it would be stupid to take out a UD when they can take out an innocent who is putting pressure on another mafia member right, but play the innocent role in doing so.

[mostlycichlids]

[QUOTE=Coler;2025515]







Well, I messed up the first quote from Coler a bit, but I thought I better his question.
I am inclined to agree with several players, (DD, Ice & MC) in regards to the way Bugz called out Ice and DD for their response to her "pizza" post but none of the others, when we all played along. However I am not convinced; I do not want to be led around by the nose.....not sure the whole scenario is not just being blown out of proportion...

As for MC, I find the way he called out DD for not posting much when he only had 1 or 2 more posts than she did.....seems odd.

Day one often comes down to a random vote and I hate it. Well, I started talking too fast....I didn't realize DD had posted that much and did realize she had posted more than previous games. My reasoning was to get people talking!

[mostlycichlids]

Post 136 should read:

I don't know; I feel your explanation of Kash being scummy in previous games is a way to make you look innocent.

[jm1212]

I am going to throw my vote in now...

I VOTE TO LYNCH DOPEHAND

He has not checked in, I am sure he knows the game has started, even if he does end up showing he likely won't be much for participation or much help. Sense I really have no suspects and not much to go on he gets my random vote for lack of participation.
why would you be so willing to just get rid of someone that hasnt posted yet?

Besides the fact that there really hasnt been much going on except idle chit chat, some like to play the game as observers. it seems pretty suspicious to me that you are wanting to get rid of them so quickly.

[mostlycichlids]

why would you be so willing to just get rid of someone that hasnt posted yet?

Besides the fact that there really hasnt been much going on except idle chit chat, some like to play the game as observers. it seems pretty suspicious to me that you are wanting to get rid of them so quickly. Why do you ask? I think I answered this in the text you quoted, in case you missed it here it is "he gets my random vote for lack of participation" Also you may want to go back to post #136, you will see that I have retracted my vote on dopehand.

[noodles62]

why would you be so willing to just get rid of someone that hasnt posted yet?

Besides the fact that there really hasnt been much going on except idle chit chat, some like to play the game as observers. it seems pretty suspicious to me that you are wanting to get rid of them so quickly.

JM, observers do nothing to help the town. it is best to participate and try to deduce who is scum and to put your thoughts out there as you may be onto something that others dont see.

[jm1212]

Why do you ask? I think I answered this in the text you quoted, in case you missed it here it is "he gets my random vote for lack of participation" Also you may want to go back to post #136, you will see that I have retracted my vote on dopehand.
yes, i just saw that actually.

[rich311k]

I have read all of this and and really have no feel of who is what yet. I would think an early hit by the SK would not really do them any good.

[rich311k]

Does anyone have a vote tally?

[Luvbugz]

Why are you sooooo defensive MC and now voting for me?? Dawg also voted for you, but you didn't even comment on that? Interesting...

[noodles62]

Does anyone have a vote tally?


without getting as technical as a mod....

Noodles - 1 vote
Bugz - 1 vote
MC - 2 votes
Coler - 1 vote

thats what i have anyway.

[mostlycichlids]

Why are you sooooo defensive MC and now voting for me?? Dawg also voted for you, but you didn't even comment on that? Interesting... Go back and read the threads, In post #104 I asked dawg why he "randomly" voted for me, so yes Luv I did question that...but you must of missed it. Also I have already explained why I voted for you go back and read post #136.

[jm1212]

Why are you sooooo defensive MC and now voting for me?? Dawg also voted for you, but you didn't even comment on that? Interesting...
Its because of behavior such as this. you seem to be very defensive for no apparent reason, and it has caught my eye as well.

[mostlycichlids]

How am I being defensive....I got one random vote and one vote from Luv who seems to be targeting me just because I asked her about the pizza question. Now she is calling me defensive for no apparent reason and has not answered my last two questions.

[mostlycichlids]

I am going out to eat I am hoping to be back before nightfall.

[Coler]

Of everyone right now I am inclined towards Noodles...and kinda JM as well...sorta feeling it for MC...and Kashta actually - but these are basically so weak as ought to be considered random and not based on anything useful. Insofar as its D1, unless anything better presents itself that's sorta where I will be putting a vote ultimately...if I do vote.

[noodles62]

It is highly possible that this little dialogue that is going on between Bugz and MC is a ploy, distancing, so to speak. There truly is not much else to go on yet, so based on that assumption I vote to lynch Luvbugz. She has peaked my curiousoity a tad more than MC at this point. Granted it is not a solid reason but it's what I've got at this point in the game......this is open to change if people actually start playing more (or at all for some!) and give me something else to go off of.

[noodles62]

Coler, you are starting to make me uneasy, and not because I am at the top of your list. Not sure what it is yet.....instinct? intuition? dunno.....

[Kashta]

hmmmm......Been gone all day and there is already 9 pages of posts to read. Time to review what I have missed.Interesting. Posted once about reading but nothing after that?Hmm jpapp, that does raise some suspicion.
This sequence seems suspicious to me.

1. Agassizii shows up, makes one post, (presumably reads 9 pages), then doesn't follow that up with post after all.
2. Jpappy calls this "interesting."
3. MC suggested it does raise suspicion.

Is that interesting? Not really. Is that suspicious? No, I don't believe so. Not only is this Agassizii first mafia game here... it's a newly registered member to the site who doesn't know any of us (presumably). Perhap's this is someone familiar with mafia games elsewhere... there's no way of knowing that. Perhaps, they've been a lurker at the site for a long while before registering... can't guess much on that either. So the only impression I get from this (after discounting both of those) is I don't feel it particularly interesting OR suspicious that a new member AND a new player would take one look at the first 9 pages and not feel compelled to post again right away.

For MC to take a truly non-commital/unremarkable thing like Jpapp's comment and raise it up a notch from interesting to suspicious is..... well, suspicious. MC is trying too hard, IMO.



9 times out of 10 a scum player is a mid to low poster. You may get one outlier from a vet who is normally talkative but usually the others tend to blend in.

Take last game.

mav- middle
Kashta- middle
coler- very high post count
mc- middle

These players were rebels from the start. No doubt that if more players lasted the full game the scum with middle posts would have been lower in the ranking. So saying that all mafia "play the game" is not going to be true. And as Ice pointed out, this game play is different than the last chunk we have played.

Quoting this not as anything significant, just noting that Coler's very high post count was well compressed into a very narrow period of time just before nightfall #3 when he already knew that game was won by the mafia.

Well, looking back now I guess I do have a suspicion about Luvbugs with her pizza Q asking Kash and then her singling out DD and Ice with saying they were the only ones to get the joke. I got some thinking to do.
I'm fairly suspcious about Luvbugs hoping to place a defacto scum association on me. Not because I think she was actually trying to get people after me.. but because she was trying to drum up interest against someone (anyone) instead of seeing if anyone actually DOES something suspicious first.

I don't agree with that logic. Why would you want someone around not contributing...I mean on day one there is a 50/50 chance they are either mafia or innocent right? Yes in a lot of the games the UD's are innocent but you never really know till balla reveals their identity.
Nope.. it's not a 50-50 split in this game. It's either more like 75-25 or maybe 66-33. MC isn't trying to actually root out scum... he seems to be trying to throw out a LOT of noise that makes him appear to be helping the town when he's really just adding to our general confusion instead.

I have to disagree with "the absense of howlers so far.." Coler. I totally think my pizza comment is trying to be used against me by some mafia members. I think that is the reason why it keeps being brought up eventhough I have explained myself fairly well. The one person who keeps bringing it up the most is MC. So, hence my vote. He has done both of what I consider scum tells. He tried to call me out as scummy first thing and now has also voted for a UD, but has left himself open to go back after me. I VOTE TO LYNCH MC.

Luvbugz protests too much about mafia (really, the mafia?) trying to use her pizza comment against her. She did get everyone to glance at her because of it... but seriously, who's actually gone after her about it? Some valid questions were raised by several people.. but no one has bothered making that much of it. So... for Luvbugz to use this reason to justify voting MC doesn't seem to measure up to what she claims this to be. Ice (who voted Coler) and DD (who hasn't voted yet) both raised more of a thing over this than MC (who voted Dopehand) did. I think Luvbugz is looking for a safe place to throw her vote, more hoping to appear innocent for her own reasons than to actually help us ID the scum with just over 3 hours left to go before nightfall.

While I am leaning toward Luvbugz as well at this point, based on what I've pointed out here plus what Ice did, as well....

I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids.

MC seems to be working real hard to cast suspicion all over the place. So for now, he gets my vote. But I may also switch to Luvbugz after a while as I continue to keep tabs on this to see what develops (if anything).

[IceH2O]

I suppose that since there are no UDs the mafia would want to get non-participating players out of the way early, but that is assuming those players are still innocent.


I wanted to give my opinion on this real fast then I'll return to read the rest of the thread.

Why would the mafia want to get rid of non participants?

Lets say we have 4 non participants, 4 mafia and 2 innocents left. The mafia know who are what but the innocents still have 9 players to choose from as possible mafia. Well since the 4 nons were quiet there is no case to build except non participation where with the other 2 innocents the mafia knows and just votes them out.




I wish I had thought of this earlier as it becomes a problem with the game.
Z, what happens when the mafia out numbers participating players? You going to make them lynch and hit them hoping that after a week they reappear or will you just call the game? I think this is really why the UD was put in place.

[Dangerdoll]

actually, if I werer to vote anyone today, it would be bugz... not ready to just yet though... so far bugz has claimed something odd in the beginning of the game and again here, bugz... your reason for voting MC is because he is the only one continuoulsy bringing up the whole Ice and DD joke thing..... I think O have been bringing it up and I believe Ice has too now... so now what? Nothing else looks as shady to me as this...

[IceH2O]

Coler while those things might be true again I say this is a completely different strategy game then most.

I see you trying to lead the town away from being able to pull evidence. If there is no trail we have no leads.

As stated above having non participants near games end is a nice cover for the mafia.

[noodles62]

Coler while those things might be true again I say this is a completely different strategy game then most.

I see you trying to lead the town away from being able to pull evidence. If there is no trail we have no leads.

As stated above having non participants near games end is a nice cover for the mafia.


I agree with the bolded statement above. In the rules it states that there are no UD's so the lurkers need to be flushed out. Hence my initial vote for a non poster. BUT it has been the case more times than not that the non/low posters were townies so this is shaky ground.

[Agassizii]

This sequence seems suspicious to me.

1. Agassizii shows up, makes one post, (presumably reads 9 pages), then doesn't follow that up with post after all.
2. Jpappy calls this "interesting."
3. MC suggested it does raise suspicion.

Is that interesting? Not really. Is that suspicious? No, I don't believe so. Not only is this Agassizii first mafia game here... it's a newly registered member to the site who doesn't know any of us (presumably). Perhap's this is someone familiar with mafia games elsewhere... there's no way of knowing that. Perhaps, they've been a lurker at the site for a long while before registering... can't guess much on that either. So the only impression I get from this (after discounting both of those) is I don't feel it particularly interesting OR suspicious that a new member AND a new player would take one look at the first 9 pages and not feel compelled to post again right away.

For MC to take a truly non-commital/unremarkable thing like Jpapp's comment and raise it up a notch from interesting to suspicious is..... well, suspicious. MC is trying too hard, IMO.



Quoting this not as anything significant, just noting that Coler's very high post count was well compressed into a very narrow period of time just before nightfall #3 when he already knew that game was won by the mafia.


I'm fairly suspcious about Luvbugs hoping to place a defacto scum association on me. Not because I think she was actually trying to get people after me.. but because she was trying to drum up interest against someone (anyone) instead of seeing if anyone actually DOES something suspicious first.


Nope.. it's not a 50-50 split in this game. It's either more like 75-25 or maybe 66-33. MC isn't trying to actually root out scum... he seems to be trying to throw out a LOT of noise that makes him appear to be helping the town when he's really just adding to our general confusion instead.



Luvbugz protests too much about mafia (really, the mafia?) trying to use her pizza comment against her. She did get everyone to glance at her because of it... but seriously, who's actually gone after her about it? Some valid questions were raised by several people.. but no one has bothered making that much of it. So... for Luvbugz to use this reason to justify voting MC doesn't seem to measure up to what she claims this to be. Ice (who voted Coler) and DD (who hasn't voted yet) both raised more of a thing over this than MC (who voted Dopehand) did. I think Luvbugz is looking for a safe place to throw her vote, more hoping to appear innocent for her own reasons than to actually help us ID the scum with just over 3 hours left to go before nightfall.

While I am leaning toward Luvbugz as well at this point, based on what I've pointed out here plus what Ice did, as well....

I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids.

MC seems to be working real hard to cast suspicion all over the place. So for now, he gets my vote. But I may also switch to Luvbugz after a while as I continue to keep tabs on this to see what develops (if anything).

I am gonna agree with this. MC does seem to be trying to make much noise and get others put in the spotlight. If it is not split 50-50 then he is most likley putting more innocents in the spotlight then mafias.

I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids!

Sorry that I have not been around much. I have been getting more hours at work lately and I'm taking whatever hours I can get.

[IceH2O]

I agree with the bolded statement above. In the rules it states that there are no UD's so the lurkers need to be flushed out. Hence my initial vote for a non poster. BUT it has been the case more times than not that the non/low posters were townies so this is shaky ground.


I think the plan of action needs to be play the game tracking down mafia while keeping track of the number of non participants. The SK can take out the non participants later in the game if needed and they want to be on the towns side. Or by keeping track of no shows we can vote them off in a few days kind of in the middle of the game. By then we hopefully have some leads.

[Coler]

Coler while those things might be true again I say this is a completely different strategy game then most.

I see you trying to lead the town away from being able to pull evidence. If there is no trail we have no leads.

As stated above having non participants near games end is a nice cover for the mafia.

There will be plenty of info out there. I'm not trying to lead the town away from anything - this was largely generating from my very valid comment that sticking one on non-participating players especially early in the game is a scum tell.

[Coler]

I think the plan of action needs to be play the game tracking down mafia while keeping track of the number of non participants. The SK can take out the non participants later in the game if needed and they want to be on the towns side. Or by keeping track of no shows we can vote them off in a few days kind of in the middle of the game. By then we hopefully have some leads.

I broadly agree.

Note, that the fact that there are not UD's does prevent instant quick mafia wins in the manner of the last game (three nights ?). This actually is of some assistance.

[noodles62]

I think the plan of action needs to be play the game tracking down mafia while keeping track of the number of non participants. The SK can take out the non participants later in the game if needed and they want to be on the towns side. Or by keeping track of no shows we can vote them off in a few days kind of in the middle of the game. By then we hopefully have some leads.

makes sense. easy enough to track with the post count.

[Coler]

Coler, you are starting to make me uneasy, and not because I am at the top of your list. Not sure what it is yet.....instinct? intuition? dunno.....


Heheh. 'uneasy' is such a scum-tell word to use.

Anyway I said all my suspects were basically so weak as ought be considered random Noodles. Y'all continue being 'uneasy' though if you feel you have a reason to be.

[Coler]

Question for Ice; you don't by any chance get a sense of Noodles cosying up to you a bit do you ? I'm not suggesting you're on a team - the opposite in fact.

[IceH2O]

There will be plenty of info out there. I'm not trying to lead the town away from anything - this was largely generating from my very valid comment that sticking one on non-participating players especially early in the game is a scum tell.


I had to go back and re read the post that got this all started and I guess I interpreted it wrong. I see what you mean now and as you see by my past comments on the subject we are thinking along the same lines.


I retract my vote on Coler

Question for Ice; you don't by any chance get a sense of Noodles cosying up to you a bit do you ? I'm not suggesting you're on a team - the opposite in fact.

Wouldn't be the 1st time would it?

[rich311k]

I always find myself leaning towards the big talkers. Every time or just about every time that is wrong.

We really have nothing but a slightly suspicious sequence over the pizza joke. Not much to go on but that is what we have. i will think on it a bit and be back with my vote shortly.

[noodles62]

Heheh. 'uneasy' is such a scum-tell word to use.

Anyway I said all my suspects were basically so weak as ought be considered random Noodles. Y'all continue being 'uneasy' though if you feel you have a reason to be.

LOL - I will do my best to choose my words from the townie dictionary next time.

Question for Ice; you don't by any chance get a sense of Noodles cosying up to you a bit do you ? I'm not suggesting you're on a team - the opposite in fact.

Cozy?! You are grasping at straws arent you? Trying to gain alliance with the one who voted against you? Just because I agree with some comments that Ice has made - which make perfect sense if you are the side of the town - does not make me get all cozy...nor does it mean I am declaring him innocent. He is far too good of a player for me to be so trusting.

[noodles62]

hhhmmm, interesting happenings while I was typing my post.....

[Coler]

What's that supposed to mean Noodles ? What was so interesting ? Are you attempting to put myself and Ice on a team ?

[IceH2O]

eh, I still have a problem with this explanation (I am trying to guess that that's what this is....) The issue I have with it is not so much as you have said I got the joke but there was a lot of posting in between my post and Ice's post... where all involved seemed to carry in the joke... yet you still single us two out.

So then I read today that MC also has a problem with my posting level. Ok, I can see if we were talking days into the game, MC but come on, there is not much going on. So, actually, looking at the numbers, when you made this post, you only had 1 or 2 posts more than I did.... so what gives? would that be an error in judgement? If you are merely a townie trying to look for early clues.... I think you should look a little further than post count at this point....








Well, I messed up the first quote from Coler a bit, but I thought I better his question.
I am inclined to agree with several players, (DD, Ice & MC) in regards to the way Bugz called out Ice and DD for their response to her "pizza" post but none of the others, when we all played along. However I am not convinced; I do not want to be led around by the nose.....not sure the whole scenario is not just being blown out of proportion...

As for MC, I find the way he called out DD for not posting much when he only had 1 or 2 more posts than she did.....seems odd.

Day one often comes down to a random vote and I hate it.

It is highly possible that this little dialogue that is going on between Bugz and MC is a ploy, distancing, so to speak. There truly is not much else to go on yet, so based on that assumption I vote to lynch Luvbugz. She has peaked my curiousoity a tad more than MC at this point. Granted it is not a solid reason but it's what I've got at this point in the game......this is open to change if people actually start playing more (or at all for some!) and give me something else to go off of.

actually, if I werer to vote anyone today, it would be bugz... not ready to just yet though... so far bugz has claimed something odd in the beginning of the game and again here, bugz... your reason for voting MC is because he is the only one continuoulsy bringing up the whole Ice and DD joke thing..... I think O have been bringing it up and I believe Ice has too now... so now what? Nothing else looks as shady to me as this...


I vote to lynch Noodles

Also willing to vote DD at this time. Look at the way they follow one another. Read the posts above. I dropped the Luv pizza thing because it was really nothing. DD dragged it on and then Noodles uses it. But I quote from Noodles
However I am not convinced; I do not want to be led around by the nose.....not sure the whole scenario is not just being blown out of proportion.

But then she ends up voting that way anyway. Whats changed?
Noodles also follows DD about MCs post about not having that high of a post count.

DD also says she'd vote Luv, eventually. I don't really trust people that point fingers then don't vote but make sure you know they want to vote that way. I'm not saying DD is scum but I'd lean her that way. DD who is O?

[noodles62]

I think I will just wait and watch......

[noodles62]

I think I will just wait and watch......

that was in response to Coler.

[noodles62]

wanna bet Coler votes for me too?

[IceH2O]

Last line should read


I'm not saying DD is scum but I'd lean her heavily that way atm.

[noodles62]

I vote to lynch Noodles

Also willing to vote DD at this time. Look at the way they follow one another. Read the posts above. I dropped the Luv pizza thing because it was really nothing. DD dragged it on and then Noodles uses it. But I quote from Noodles
However I am not convinced; I do not want to be led around by the nose.....not sure the whole scenario is not just being blown out of proportion.

But then she ends up voting that way anyway. Whats changed?
Noodles also follows DD about MCs post about not having that high of a post count.

DD also says she'd vote Luv, eventually. I don't really trust people that point fingers then don't vote but make sure you know they want to vote that way. I'm not saying DD is scum but I'd lean her that way. DD who is O?


I find it funny how both you and Coler point fingers at me "following" and "cozying up" just because I agreed with vaild points some have made. Perhaps I should just lurk in the shadows like others and not say anything at all. Day one is difficulty to come up with a synopsis of who is who but the fog does seem to be clearing a bit.

[IceH2O]

Anyone have a vote tally? Haven't kept up really. Shouldn't have to do the Mods work lol.

[noodles62]

further more I am not voting Bugz because of the Pizza issue, I am voting her because I think her and MC are using it to distance eachother. however as things progress I am more and more inclined to move my vote elsewhere.

[Coler]

wanna bet Coler votes for me too?

I already said I likely would. You're not exactly predicting the future here Noodles. Weak.

[jm1212]

I think I will just wait and watch......
it may not be much, but you seem really on-edge to me; the way you are making statements and judgments is very jumpy, like you're watching your back and ready to point a finger

[noodles62]

I already said I likely would. You're not exactly predicting the future here Noodles. Weak.

Heheh. 'uneasy' is such a scum-tell word to use.

Anyway I said all my suspects were basically so weak as ought be considered random Noodles. Y'all continue being 'uneasy' though if you feel you have a reason to be.


uummm. ok!

[noodles62]

it may not be much, but you seem really on-edge to me; the way you are making statements and judgments is very jumpy, like you're watching your back and ready to point a finger

cause I said I would wait and watch? that seems patient to me, not jumpy. not really watching my back, just watching the game. I fully expect to be taken to tonight. nothin new....:huh:

[IceH2O]

I find it funny how both you and Coler point fingers at me "following" and "cozying up" just because I agreed with vaild points some have made. Perhaps I should just lurk in the shadows like others and not say anything at all. Day one is difficulty to come up with a synopsis of who is who but the fog does seem to be clearing a bit.


None of those points were valid.

So MC called DD out on post count on Day 1. The pizza thing was old the 1st day.

My points were valid yes I agree.


I am a bit split on MC and thought about voting that way but with you and DD pointing fingers that way I wasn't sure if I should.
Then again you guys aren't voting that way so it could be distancing, which still makes you mafia.

I only was watching Coler bc I never trust him but once I understood we were speaking of the same thing I needed to look elsewhere. If I had been paying attention earlier you or DD probably would have gotten the vote. Since a vote on DD is wasted atm you are the only choice.

[IceH2O]

further more I am not voting Bugz because of the Pizza issue, I am voting her because I think her and MC are using it to distance eachother. however as things progress I am more and more inclined to move my vote elsewhere.


So then why Luv over MC? I don't have a vote tally in front of me but I'm pretty sure MC had more then Luv.

[Coler]

Yah Noodles. I said something like if I voted it would be in that general direction. You then appointed yourself as being 'top of my list'. ...and you edited what I actually said. Hang on til I go and find the full quote.

[Coler]

Of everyone right now I am inclined towards Noodles...and kinda JM as well...sorta feeling it for MC...and Kashta actually - but these are basically so weak as ought to be considered random and not based on anything useful. Insofar as its D1, unless anything better presents itself that's sorta where I will be putting a vote ultimately...if I do vote.

What I actually said.

What Noodles quoted me as saying :

"Heheh. 'uneasy' is such a scum-tell word to use.

Anyway I said all my suspects were basically so weak as ought be considered random Noodles. Y'all continue being 'uneasy' though if you feel you have a reason to be."



To be fair its not that Noodles actually failed to quote a full actual post I made. Its more that she failed to quote where I in fact did say I would likely vote in her general direction, or another of some named people.

[Coler]

Being clear. Noodles did not edit/shorten a quote of mine. She just quoted me selectively.

[mostlycichlids]

This sequence seems suspicious to me.

1. Agassizii shows up, makes one post, (presumably reads 9 pages), then doesn't follow that up with post after all.
2. Jpappy calls this "interesting."
3. MC suggested it does raise suspicion.

Is that interesting? Not really. Is that suspicious? No, I don't believe so. Not only is this Agassizii first mafia game here... it's a newly registered member to the site who doesn't know any of us (presumably). Perhap's this is someone familiar with mafia games elsewhere... there's no way of knowing that. Perhaps, they've been a lurker at the site for a long while before registering... can't guess much on that either. So the only impression I get from this (after discounting both of those) is I don't feel it particularly interesting OR suspicious that a new member AND a new player would take one look at the first 9 pages and not feel compelled to post again right away.

For MC to take a truly non-commital/unremarkable thing like Jpapp's comment and raise it up a notch from interesting to suspicious is..... well, suspicious. MC is trying too hard, IMO.



Quoting this not as anything significant, just noting that Coler's very high post count was well compressed into a very narrow period of time just before nightfall #3 when he already knew that game was won by the mafia.


I'm fairly suspcious about Luvbugs hoping to place a defacto scum association on me. Not because I think she was actually trying to get people after me.. but because she was trying to drum up interest against someone (anyone) instead of seeing if anyone actually DOES something suspicious first.


Nope.. it's not a 50-50 split in this game. It's either more like 75-25 or maybe 66-33. MC isn't trying to actually root out scum... he seems to be trying to throw out a LOT of noise that makes him appear to be helping the town when he's really just adding to our general confusion instead.



Luvbugz protests too much about mafia (really, the mafia?) trying to use her pizza comment against her. She did get everyone to glance at her because of it... but seriously, who's actually gone after her about it? Some valid questions were raised by several people.. but no one has bothered making that much of it. So... for Luvbugz to use this reason to justify voting MC doesn't seem to measure up to what she claims this to be. Ice (who voted Coler) and DD (who hasn't voted yet) both raised more of a thing over this than MC (who voted Dopehand) did. I think Luvbugz is looking for a safe place to throw her vote, more hoping to appear innocent for her own reasons than to actually help us ID the scum with just over 3 hours left to go before nightfall.

While I am leaning toward Luvbugz as well at this point, based on what I've pointed out here plus what Ice did, as well....

I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids.

MC seems to be working real hard to cast suspicion all over the place. So for now, he gets my vote. But I may also switch to Luvbugz after a while as I continue to keep tabs on this to see what develops (if anything). Come on Kash, even with your explanation it seems you are voting to lynch me just because I am posting a lot more than most people. All I have been doing all game is just keep the discussion going, not to mention I have the next three days of work and am bored as hell. I would like a refrence of where I have been casting suspicion everywhere? I have only suspected Luvbugs and for the pizza comment...to this point that is prob the only comment that has raised any suspicion for me. As far as the 50/50 thing I should of thought it through better...maybe 75/25 or 66/33 Idk...anyway I thought it through and retracted my vote on dope because it was not logiacl to vote a UD...rather go after someone I have a little suspicion on.

I am gonna agree with this. MC does seem to be trying to make much noise and get others put in the spotlight. If it is not split 50-50 then he is most likley putting more innocents in the spotlight then mafias.

I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids!

Sorry that I have not been around much. I have been getting more hours at work lately and I'm taking whatever hours I can get. Really? Who am I trying to put in the spotlight besides Luvbugs? This is the second time I have heard this? Not to mention Agassizii you havent contributed much to the thread at all then you come in and vote me, without much explanation except you agree with someones elses logic. I fell like I am being singled out because I have contributed to the thread more.

[rich311k]

As I said before bush beaters are usually innocents on day one. Bugz seemed off to me.

I vote to lynch Bugz.

[mostlycichlids]

Anyone have a vote tally? Haven't kept up really. Shouldn't have to do the Mods work lol.

Unofficial but here is what I got:

Noodles (2 votes)
Bugs (2 votes)
Me- MC (4 votes)

[noodles62]

As I said before bush beaters are usually innocents on day one. Bugz seemed off to me.

I vote to lynch Bugz.

Unofficial but here is what I got:

Noodles (2 votes)
Bugs (2 votes)
Me- MC (4 votes)

Bugz = 3

[mostlycichlids]

Woops must of been postin while I was typing.

[Coler]

Well I'll make a vote. I have MC and Noodles both in my suspects. I prefer Noodles by enough of a margin to vote that way presently. I vote to lynch Noodles.

[IceH2O]

So basically only half the players have voted.

If the game is going to be this slow, not the posting but the voting or lack of, I beg the SK to send in a hit on me.

[mostlycichlids]

Anyone have a vote tally? Haven't kept up really. Shouldn't have to do the Mods work lol.

So basically only half the players have voted.

If the game is going to be this slow, not the posting but the voting or lack of, I beg the SK to send in a hit on me.

No doubt, that is why I have been posting so much, to get folks talking...seems to be working against me but I was hoping to spark some interest in the game.

[rich311k]

It is getting to crunch time. I hope some people get playing.

[IceH2O]

Met game starts at 8 so I'll be scarce from then to the end of the game.

[jm1212]

Heheh. 'uneasy' is such a scum-tell word to use.

Anyway I said all my suspects were basically so weak as ought be considered random Noodles. Y'all continue being 'uneasy' though if you feel you have a reason to be.

Anyway I said all my suspects were basically so weak as ought be considered random Noodles. Y'all continue being 'uneasy' though if you feel you have a reason to be.both seem to match up to me, besides the bold, which many players have done so far.

still the manner in which noodles is acting is raising a flag for me.

[rich311k]

Met game starts at 8 so I'll be scarce from then to the end of the game.

I hope they can manage to score a few runs tonight.

[maverickbr77]

alright im going to have to put in a vote I am realy not sure on this there just isn't anything that great for evidence and im not going to reiterate everything that has been said today. For mee its coming down to gut feelings and Luvbugz has just been peeking my interest the whole time so

I vote to lynch Luvbugz

[jm1212]

Noodle's behavior has shown plenty of reasons to watch her, and therefore, I vote to lynch Noodles.

[noodles62]

Well, I have been busy but I see that MC and I are tied with 4 votes each. I am through defending myself, besides when I do it is interpreted as being jumpy or defensive (?!) I could take my vote off Bugz and place it on MC to save my own neck but that never goes over very well with the popular kids.....(yes I am being sarcastic) besides there are still plenty of players that have not voted for me yet so it would be in vain anyway.
It is pretty quiet considering less than an hour until nightfall.

[noodles62]

oh wait! looks like a 3 way tie, unless I counted wrong....

[Coler]

Well, I have been busy but I see that MC and I are tied with 4 votes each. I am through defending myself, besides when I do it is interpreted as being jumpy or defensive (?!) I could take my vote off Bugz and place it on MC to save my own neck but that never goes over very well with the popular kids.....(yes I am being sarcastic) besides there are still plenty of players that have not voted for me yet so it would be in vain anyway.
It is pretty quiet considering less than an hour until nightfall.
What are you presuming that everyone yet to vote will vote for you and is mafia ?

[maverickbr77]

ya 3 way tie by my count as well

[mostlycichlids]

Well, I have been busy but I see that MC and I are tied with 4 votes each. I am through defending myself, besides when I do it is interpreted as being jumpy or defensive (?!) I could take my vote off Bugz and place it on MC to save my own neck but that never goes over very well with the popular kids.....(yes I am being sarcastic) besides there are still plenty of players that have not voted for me yet so it would be in vain anyway.
It is pretty quiet considering less than an hour until nightfall. That may or may not work in your favor though...

[noodles62]

What are you presuming that everyone yet to vote will vote for you and is mafia ?


No, not at all, I am just getting accustomed to being voted out on night one and nothing would surprise me at this point. :lipssealedsmilie:

[ZSandmann]

I wish I had thought of this earlier as it becomes a problem with the game.
Z, what happens when the mafia out numbers participating players? You going to make them lynch and hit them hoping that after a week they reappear or will you just call the game? I think this is really why the UD was put in place.

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it, but right now it will be as it reads.

[Coler]

Well I'm out for the night. I have seen nothing to change my vote, for good or ill. Later all.

[ZSandmann]

Mostly: Dawg(93) Luv(127) Kashta(156) Agass(161)
Red: --Noodles(100)--
Coler: --Ice(106)--
Noodles: Jpappy(108) Ice(173) Coler(195) Jm(203)
Dopehand: --Mostly(118)--
Luv: Mostly(136) Noodles(154) Rich(191) Mav(202)

[mostlycichlids]

I would still like the answers on why the votes for me from Kash and Agass...hopefully before night.

[FireDancer7905]

Sorry for the late vote. Baby FD got hungry and my whole world had to stop to nurse. Reading now, will vote momentarily.

[Kashta]

I would still like the answers on why the votes for me from Kash and Agass...hopefully before night.

You seem the most suspicious to me, MC. I gave some examples in my post that weren't already mentioned. I didn't feel you were trying to stimulate conversation or unravel anything as much as looking to place scum labels wherever you could. There isn't a lot more than that to go on this day so that's how I voted.

[mostlycichlids]

You seem the most suspicious to me, MC. I gave some examples in my post that weren't already mentioned. I didn't feel you were trying to stimulate conversation or unravel anything as much as looking to place scum labels wherever you could. There isn't a lot more than that to go on this day so that's how I voted.
I still don't see who you are talking about me placing labels on. I only had one suspect and an early random vote?

[FireDancer7905]

I dislike being a final vote on day 1. That being said, I don't feel quite right about Mostly, and I really don't like the vote on Luv right now. Especially as it is the first vote on.

I vote to lynch MostlyChiclids.

[Kashta]

I still don't see who you are talking about me placing labels on. I only had one suspect and an early random vote?

None if it is that conrete this time.. not placing labels in that sense or even voting yet. It's too soon for that and this is more subtle. But you stood out you've drawing suspicions and raising doubts in many directions.

[mostlycichlids]

Well it looks as if I am done....this game kinda sucked anyway with only a little more than half the players playing......

I retract my vote on LuvBugs and I VOTE TO MYSELF (MC)

[ZSandmann]

NIGHT

[ZSandmann]

ACville buzzes with activity as Night falls over the Town. SOme come to Bala dragging todays chosen lynch while others only peak from their windows.

Noodles, Luvbugz, and MostlyCichlids are lined up blind folded in firing squad fashion.

The Citizens raise their weapons and fire, but Noodles and Luvbugz quickly jump aside as the lead flies. Mostly is a bit slow on their feet, seems they were rather busy today and were too tired to react.

[ZSandmann]

MostlyCichlids is dead. They were...

The Serial Killer!!!

And it seems they did a bit of work today.

[ZSandmann]

The Mafia are deeply pleased to see the competition is out of the game. There is only room for one group of killers in this Town. They slip away from the celebration that has ensued at the Bala statue. It seems their victim turned in early, afterall the eastern side of town is so far away its almost its own timezone...

Coler is dead. He was a Citizen.

[ZSandmann]

The Mafia are very pleased with themselves. The Serial Killer is gone and a Townie lies dead. They secretly make their way back to the Drycleaners they run as a front. As they pass into the back room it becomes apparent their man on watch is not at his post. One of them flip the lights and are shocked to see Jpappy cleaned and pressed, fitted neatly into a plastic laundry bag and hanging from the racks. But at least he smells fresh! On the ground is a tub of Oxyclean... RIP Billy Mays :(

Jpappy was drycleaned by the Serial Killer and is dead. He was Mafia.

[ZSandmann]

GAME ON!

Night 2 will be at 8PM CST Tuesday.

[IceH2O]

Took a peak to see if night had run and the game is going better then the Met game.

No need to worry about the SK and he also took out a mafia. Colers death sucks and I'm sure I'm next but with Jpap being mafia I think that clears Noodles for me.

After the game I'll go back over and read the thread to see which direction I want to go. Knowing Jpap was mafia could help.

[Luvbugz]

I am sad to see Coler go. I think he was hit because he was onto something. When do the hits have to be submitted??

Ice: Might Jpap just been distancing himself??

[jm1212]

jpap being mafia doesnt entirely clear noodles in my mind, but they have a much better standing. the mafia may have been trying to make sure that the townspeople did not associate them with one another.

[Luvbugz]

I have another question: DD you spent all day trying to throw suspicion at me, but yet when it came down to the wire, you didn't vote at all? Why?

[Luvbugz]

Coler (a townie) first started suspecting Noods and voted for her. Right after Jpap (mafia) votes for Noods. Doesn't completely clear Noods for me, but gets me thinking.

[Luvbugz]

Oops I take that back, Coler didn't vote right away. Hmmm.

[rich311k]

Not the worst nightfall. we got the SK and a mafia, well the SK got that one. I need to look at the votes and see if I can deduce anything from it.

[IceH2O]

I guess without knowing when the hit was sent in on Jpap its possible the vote was for distancing and when the vote got tight Jpap couldn't pull off. But I wouldn't bet the barn on it.

The fact that DD didn't vote at all surprises me and is of great interest. I'd like to hear here reasoning for not voting.

Its to late to read and I'm pissed that the Mets lost so I'll be back tomorrow.

[Coler]

Cowards. Utterly predictable cowards.

[rich311k]

So does anyone have any ideas? I have no real great thoughts now but I still on my first cup of coffee.

[noodles62]

I am at work but wanted to check in really quick. I got unexpected company last night so was not on at nightfall. I fully expected to get hit or lynched last night. I am thrilled and amazed that the SK is gone, as well as one mafia! It was a good night compared to how night one typically goes, even though we lost on townie. I am at a total loss where to look now. I thought (altho it was weak) that MC and Bugz were distancing, but that cannot be true. I am not saying that Bugz is innocent, as neither side knew who the SK was, just that she was obviously not communicating with him. With the lack of participation of many players this makes the game even more difficult. I am a bit busy today at work but I will do my best to get on from time to time to read........

[Dangerdoll]

I have another question: DD you spent all day trying to throw suspicion at me, but yet when it came down to the wire, you didn't vote at all? Why?

I guess without knowing when the hit was sent in on Jpap its possible the vote was for distancing and when the vote got tight Jpap couldn't pull off. But I wouldn't bet the barn on it.

The fact that DD didn't vote at all surprises me and is of great interest. I'd like to hear here reasoning for not voting.

Its to late to read and I'm pissed that the Mets lost so I'll be back tomorrow.
umm, I didn't spend "all day" throwing suspicion at you and you should really be a little more careful throwing your weight around. It's often times that the coc kiest if players turn out to be Mafia. Especially young ones. (Young meaning not having very many games under their belts).

so to answer the common question of "why I didn't vote" is simply because I didn't need to. Aside from not being around right up to night call, I wasn't really solid in my suspicion on those that had their necks on the line and knowing that I didn't really have to voted, I figured it would go as it would...

[dirtydawg10]

Wow! Interesting night. Sorry we took you out MC but thanks for the hit on JPap. Nice work! I knew you were some type of PR but wasn't quite sure what. I need to catch up on my reading before I post again.

[rich311k]

Wow! Interesting night. Sorry we took you out MC but thanks for the hit on JPap. Nice work! I knew you were some type of PR but wasn't quite sure what. I need to catch up on my reading before I post again.

You are sorry the SK was taken out? Why?

[jm1212]

Wow! Interesting night. Sorry we took you out MC but thanks for the hit on JPap. Nice work! I knew you were some type of PR but wasn't quite sure what. I need to catch up on my reading before I post again.
if anything, this is a good thing that he's gone. personally, i dont think that there was any planning to the hit. the SK just chose someone, but it just happened to be a mafia.

[Kashta]

Looking through D1 posts again still doesn't help me very much even with the knowledge that Jpappy was mafia. I'll have to go through it all again, I suppose, at some point today to see if there's something I'm missing. So far in this game, the main thing that stands out for me is how little really stands out at all. The thoughts I have still seem thin and I'm not sure they're even worth pursuing, but I'll share what I can just in case it helps get some ideas out here.

First, it was my expectation that the mafia would hit either Ice or Coler the first 2 nightfalls because of their experience/game style. So that presumption lead me to think whichever of the two avoids mafia hits on N1 and N2 would more likely be on the mafia team himself. The mafia isn't going to hit one of their own. Since Coler was hit and revealed as a citizen, it's seems more likely that Ice is mafia. Going back through the posts last night looking for clues along this line, however, I don't actually see anything from his posting that backs up a mafia suspicion.

The other supposition I have is generally anyone who doesn't vote is acting more out of self-preservation than in the best interests of the town. But the same is true for those who don't post (who are actually here) and those who post now and then but who don't actually say anything. As DD didn't vote, I'll watch her more closely now.

Hope I can find more to go on than this fairly soon. This is a real slow thing with so many people either not playing or holding back because they can.

[rich311k]

Looking through D1 posts again still doesn't help me very much even with the knowledge that Jpappy was mafia. I'll have to go through it all again, I suppose, at some point today to see if there's something I'm missing. So far in this game, the main thing that stands out for me is how little really stands out at all. The thoughts I have still seem thin and I'm not sure they're even worth pursuing, but I'll share what I can just in case it helps get some ideas out here.

It is amazing how little is going on. i am not a big poster but this is crazy.

First, it was my expectation that the mafia would hit either Ice or Coler the first 2 nightfalls because of their experience/game style. So that presumption lead me to think whichever of the two avoids mafia hits on N1 and N2 would more likely be on the mafia team himself. The mafia isn't going to hit one of their own. Since Coler was hit and revealed as a citizen, it's seems more likely that Ice is mafia. Going back through the posts last night looking for clues along this line, however, I don't actually see anything from his posting that backs up a mafia suspicion.

That is good logic but i would think Noodles would fall in the hit list. So she should be in your suspect list with that logic.

The other supposition I have is generally anyone who doesn't vote is acting more out of self-preservation than in the best interests of the town. But the same is true for those who don't post (who are actually here) and those who post now and then but who don't actually say anything. As DD didn't vote, I'll watch her more closely now.

DD gave a fair reason for not voting. I still think it is a crappy thing to do though.

Hope I can find more to go on than this fairly soon. This is a real slow thing with so many people either not playing or holding back because they can.

My thoughts are above.

[noodles62]

Rich, I can see why you lumped me in that list (as I have played a few games) but there are others that are far more experienced than me that are not on that list. Is there a reason you are avoiding naming them yet you feel so included to throw my name out there?

[rich311k]

Rich, I can see why you lumped me in that list (as I have played a few games) but there are others that are far more experienced than me that are not on that list. Is there a reason you are avoiding naming them yet you feel so included to throw my name out there?

You are the only other one that came to mind as a veteran bush beater.

[noodles62]

hhhhhmmmmm.......

[rich311k]

hhhhhmmmmm.......

Didn't want me to draw attention to you maybe?

[noodles62]

no, I just dont agree with your line of thinking, but you are entitled to it none the less. I just know that there are quite a few vets playing that dont seem to make your (or Kashta's) list and it makes me curious. (hhhhmmm - was all I felt like saying at that moment - just curious....)

[noodles62]

and BTW, I dont ever seem to need assistance drawing attention, but thank you anyway! LOL

[IceH2O]

DD and Rich are high on my list of suspects from their last posts.

Not voting because you didn't need to is a weak reason. It doesn't help the town track scum. The only reason to not vote is to not have a trail.

Rich protecting her reason as a good one also makes no sense at all.

So from what DD is saying is that if we aren't sure we shouldn't vote. So since know one is ever sure we should never vote. No lynching. Lets just let the mafia pick us off nightly.

So what about that is a good reason Rich?

[Kashta]

You are the only other one that came to mind as a veteran bush beater.

Noodles is hard for me to read, but I'll agree with Rich about her skill level/accomplishment at this. She wasn't there for me to watch in the last game, but she was quite effective with what she did in the one before that. In that case, though... she was communicating innocent and her bush beating was a great help to the town. So if she's innocent now that would also be true here.

no, I just dont agree with your line of thinking, but you are entitled to it none the less. I just know that there are quite a few vets playing that dont seem to make your (or Kashta's) list and it makes me curious. (hhhhmmm - was all I felt like saying at that moment - just curious....)

Noodles, who else would you look at now just as a matter of game play... since we're lacking so much participation?

I don't have actual suspects yet and that bugs me. The other vets I would be watching would be Dirtydawg, JohnLarson (where on earth is he btw?), and Rich.