Mouth Rot, What next?

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oscartank

Geophagus and severums is my game
Jul 17, 2008
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hey all, first here are the stats.
Trigon 350 with 6 pieces of bogwood various rocks gravel and two types of moss about ten amazon sword and some rooting plants, 6 juvi sevs 5 juvi geo surnim a firemouth a plec and 4 orange boesemanis.

My tank is over stocked I know and am taking the sevs to my lfs soon. I buy large amounts of very young juvis and sell on stock as they grow. I cannot carry on this process as my breeding tank is full of baby geos and am moving so cannot build a bigger tank for my sevs.

THE POINT
Two of the smallest of my latessed additions the boesemanis are suffering from mouth rot. I sprang into action and did a 30 % change on last thursday when noticed and another 50% on sunday yesterday. The rot has seemed to slow as expected but has not gone. I believe this rot is from stress from an over stocked aquarium, what next QT? I think im gonna do daily 5% changes from now on until i remove the sevs! I have only had slime disease with my oscars before and a blight of ich about ten years ago in a community tank. I do a weekly change of 20% and do not over feed. I test for ammonia monthly and love my fishes very much [aawwww]

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Mouth rot is genrally from poor water but i clean and scub regular! Does anyone think that stress is the problem ?

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P.s ive just started to use plant rooting suppliments the ones u push into the gravel and adding liquid plant food also, could this be the cause of there ill health?
 
Anyone welcome to comment!!! Does anyone now an easy cure ?
 
If the cause is poor water due to elevated ammonia levels, I have had good success with AquaClear Ammonia Remover (http://www.hagen.com/usa/aquatic/product.cfm?CAT=1&SUBCAT=114&PROD_ID=01006210020101). It brings ammonia levels down quickly and keeps it down. If you can keep the ammonia levels down with Ammonia Remover (or another product like it), that would obviate the need to do water changes -- so you would be removing the stress from the ammonia and also removing the stress from water changes.

I'm curious as to what you used for slime disease for your oscars?
 
Oscartank, could you please post ammonia, nitrite and nitrate exactly? What test kit do you use? Do the rainbowfish swim listlessly? Do they gasp at all on the surface? What is the temperature of the tank? How long have you kept all your fish?
 
hey lupin, CL2 =o PH= 6.8 Kh=1.5 Gh = 8 No2=0 No3= between 50 an 100, it tested 50 but by the time id written all of the above it was darker. The tanks temp is 27 c 81f. There must be something rotting in there. They dont gasp or list and are swimming and feeding fine. ill do another change and gett behind all the rocks and bogwood woth the gravel cleaner. Stress may be the cause, what do u think bud?
 
They orange boesemanis are the new additions that are affectted by the mouth rot, theyve been in there about a month and the fungus appeared about 6days ago! Thanks for yr help
 
Ive a 1400 lph sunsun epf with a 1200 Interpet ipf, ill clean the sunsun now also, i wont scrub away all the benifical bacteria and ill add some filter aid!
 
Weekly 20% water changes isn't nearly enough. Proof of that is your high nitrates (50-100??). Before I resorted to throwing medicine at the problem I'd most certainly get those nitrates as far under 20 ppm as possible. High nitrates cause all sorts of problems-slime coat, cloudy eyes, fin rot, etc etc.
 
I've been reading about some studies that deal with Nitrate consumption.

There has been some research dealing with nitrate consumption in humans, and cattle,and because of that research the EPA has set the maximum contaminant level (MCL) at 10 ppm.

"Nitrates, when consumed by human infants and cattle, get converted into nitrite by anaerobic bacteria in the digestive tract. Nitrite in the digestive tract is absorbed by red blood cells, displacing oxygen, creating methemoglobin. Methemoglobin turns the blood brown, because it is no longer carrying oxygen. This creates a condition called Methemoglobinemia in humans and cattle. If nitrate consumption is not discontinued then the fish slowly suffocates."

Source information is at this llnk.
http://www.aquaworldaquarium.com/Articles/TonyGriffitts/AdverseAffectofNitrateontheAquarium.htm

Though the research was based on studies of nitrates in human infants and cattle, it is logical to extrapolate that it does the same thing in fish.

Some believe that high nitrate levels may be one of the underlying causes of Hole In The Head and Lateral Line disease in fish, due to inadequate O2 perfusion to the tissues of the head, especially in fish that are prone to HITHLLE.

Long winded way of saying you really need to keep the nitrates at 20ppm or less.
 
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