Ethics of supporting the trade in wild L46

Inka4040

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Recent threads in other sections got me thinking a bit more about this aspect of the aquarium hobby. It is unfortunately not that rare for fish that really should not be on the market for various legal or ethical reasons to come up for sale, and usually I find it hard to support such endeavors, but the issues with L46 are quite a bit more complex. Though it is true that it is illegal to export wild caught specimens from Brazil, these laws may be more to the detriment of the species than their benefit. The Rio Xingu, where they are found, is slated for a damming project which could seriously affect the survival of the species in the wild. Given that these are fish that are facing large scale habitat destruction in the wild, and are being bred by a handful of hobbyists, it seems that it might behoove the species for us to establish as wide a possible captive gene pool if extinction in the wild is a possibility. In the US, endangered plants can sometimes be legally collected when they are facing destruction from building projects, however in those cases selling them for profit is illegal (i think). I personally am not entirely sure how I feel on the issue yet. What does everyone else think?
 
I agree with you.

collection of the fish is not the issue at least when impacting the population of the fish.
more so it is the destruction of the habitat that is the true culprit.

I guess the only issue I have is the profit portion or how is it determined profit.
selling some of the little beasties off spring may actually help reduce the cost of keeping them.

;)
 
There is no way making it legal to trap and sell these fish would do anything more than dwindle their numbers faster than destroying their habitat would. Whats going on now is working as well as it can I guess. Hopefully its only private people that are breeding them in captivity and selling them through legal channels. I'm not sure what type of fines/jail time are out there for people that get caught, but it probably isn't enough to deter everyone.

I guess that raises another dilemma, how can a buyer know for sure their fish is from a legal source.

I suppose if you outlawed them entirely, trading/shipping/breeding, then people wouldn't take them from their habitat. Then again if they don't take them from their habitat they will probably die sooner or later anyway.

This sucks.
 
I think these issues need to be raised more, and vendors accredited and labelled as domestic breeders or sustainable harvesters.
 
Many good points raised, but something else that hasn't been discussed. Though pulling these fish from the wild may possibly have positive benefits for the survival of their species, it does not change the fact that since they are wild caught (coming only from one place where they're illegal to collect) they are most certainly at some point during the supply chain, breaking laws. The issue with this, despite the validity of the intentions behind it, is that it undermines a set of laws that are largely in place to protect the wildlife resources of Brazil and the Amazon river system. If we continue to flout the policies of the Brazilian Government and support the poaching of fish out of waters they control, then they have every right to clamp down on the export trade, and attempt to complicate things for the smugglers, with the unintended consequence being that legitimate fish traders/dealers also have to deal with the greater cost and complication of getting a fish out of the country, ultimately affecting us at the consumption end of the trade. I understand that people who are in a business need to cover their own costs, but it hardly seems fair to make a business out of such a threatened species. If one's intentions were truly to support the preservation of the species, wouldn't it be better to distribute the fish amongst hobbyists with a body of experience already rather than selling them to any old joe on the open market? I don't agree with the argument that the exorbitant price limits the purchasing pool to those who know what they're doing. There are plenty of people who don't know their butts from their elbows who have money to burn on a pretty looking exotic fish.
 
I'm against the trade in these wild fish until the time comes that they can not survive in their natural habitat. When that time comes then a proper plan of action should be made to remove them and sancturies be set up to house and breed them.
 
I don't understand what the issue is really. I mean recently there was a thread dealing with the harvesting of Tangs in Africa and what about neon tetras? IMO there really isn't any difference between collecting ANY wild animal for the trade.
 
Well, that's a bit of a gross oversimplification. Wild collecting in many parts of the world supports local economies and gives impetus for the protection of wildlife. Things like the MAC council and Project Piaba teach sustainable harvesting practices while allowing may people access to the world economy they wouldn't normally have. By allowing local populations to profit from the ecosystems they inhabit, it gives them impetus to protect said ecosystems and thus protect their resources and economic stability. Its alot easier to convince people to protect something when it gets them fed in the process. Additionally, there are plenty of fish that no longer exist in the wild, and if not for the intervention of hobbyists would no longer exist in any capacity. There is no single issue that we are dealing with, which is why the situation is so complex. There are just as many pros to be had from wild collection as there are cons. Sorry, but I don't believe it's nearly as black and white as you see it.
 
Plus Inka's point before- part of the problem is that they're currently illegal to export. So if they're exported illegally, that certainly could make Brazil more likely to clamp down on exports of their fish altogether.
 
It takes a pair of great big shiny brass ones for the Brazilian govt to ban the export of fish for ecological reasons while supporting ecological catastrophes like dams, deforestation,etc. I would rather support the preservation of the species than a govt which feigns concern for a specific tree while cutting down the forest.
 
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