Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

[IceH2O]

Mafia 54: Vampires Return

1) use thread information only.

2) You can't use my PMs as evidence

3) Be polite... yes, you're trying to eliminate other players, but you don't have to call them a doofus to do so.

3a) If you feel someone is violating rule number 3... don't quit. PM me and I will discuss the situation with the offender.

3b) don't say your going to quit as a tactic... YOU WILL BE KILLED OFF AND YOUR ROLE REVEALED.

4) Role rules are posted below. I've made an effort to keep things simple, yet entertaining,

5) If you have any questions, PM me.

6) Have fun and participate

7) IF YOU DO NOT VOTE IN THE DAY/NIGHT CYCLE YOU DIE NO EXCEPTIONS. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU WILL BE MISSING THAT MUCH TIME THEN DON'T JOIN. YOU CAN NOT VOTE NO ONE AT ANYTIME

8) Game ends when the villagers kill the lead vampire or the vampires outnumber the villagers.



You are a Villager. You are afraid of the vampires, but realize that you, as a group can overcome them. They are vulnerable in their human form and the town, each day will vote to lynch someone. Hopefully, you lynch a vampire.

You are the Priest. Each night, you may pray for the safe delivery of a fellow villager. Your faith is such that the saints will prevent that villager from being killed or turned by the forces of darkness. You can stop the hunters shot. You are selfless and will not be able to pray for yourself. Your power isn't stronger then the Lead Vampires though so you can't stop the 1st 2 turns of the 1st 2 nights, if they are the ones protected they still become vampires.You may be turned in the 1st 2 nights but you will keep your role and work for the Vampires.

You are the Seer. Each night you may use candles, the bones of small animals, and various rituals to consult with the spirits to find evil in your village. The information you are provided only indicates the presence or absence of evil. Nothing more specific. You may communicate with the HUNTER if you find them through investigations.

You are the Hunter. Long ago, your grandfather told tales of a similar event in this very same village. After the villagers' victory, he crafted a single silver arrow. You may fire this arrow one time. It is however still an arrow and your skill will ensure the death of whomever it hits,unless the Priest has that person under protection. You may communicate with the SEER if they find you through investigations.



You are a Vampire. You are a force of darkness that delights in the stalk and the kill. Your fellow vampires are XXX, etc. You may communicate outside of the thread with these individuals. Each night, you will decide on a villager to stalk and kill/ try to turn.The game starts off with just 2 Vampires the Lead and 1 person of his choosing then the LV will choose a person to turn for the 1st 2 nights of which nothing can stop this choice except a lynching.

You are the Lead Vampire. You are the leader of this group of vampires. Your fellow vampires are XXX, etc. You may communicate outside of the thread with these individuals. Each day start, you will decide on a villager to stalk and kill.The 1st 2 nights are automatic turns nothing can stop this,except a lynching, from that point on it becomes a 50/50 chance at death or a turn(who now works for you and may not communicate this fact to anyone else). If you are killed the game ends and all the vampires you turned are returned to innocence. You will start out with YOU and 1 person of your choice at game start. IF you choose the HUNTER,SEER or PRIEST in the 1st 2 days they keep their roles but work for the Vampires.

The Lead Vampire will show as innocent the 1st 2 days/nights. He also has the ability to switch 1 time positions with someone on his team.

The LV needs to send in his choice for a turn at day start, if the Villagers lynch this person the LV loses a chance at a free Lesser vampire.

If the top vote getter is protected by the Priest the 2nd vote getter is lynched instead.


Here's my order of events:



Lynching

Vampire Bite

Hunter

Seer

So if the vampires BITE the hunter... no shot. The priests protection ONLY blocks vampire bites after the 2nd day.

[B]**on Day 4 a random player gets a list of players previously investigated that have been turned. It will only show evil, not the role. This could include the Lead Vamp if he is investigated in the 1st 2 days



Took out the 1st vote with 1st post. To much work lol.

Do NOT Post till I saw Game on. PMs will go out periodically thru the day.

[IceH2O]

Players:

Jpap
RB
Coler
JLZsand
Jm
Annie
Kash
Ogre
Zaffy
Noodles
Dawg
Rocker
Wycco
DD
Phoenixn7g
Lanimret
Rich
Paperdragon

[IceH2O]

Game ON

Nightfall Mon 8/17 9 PM EST

[Kashta]

Yay! Good game everyone - except you nasty bloodsuckers!

Hey Ice...... what about JL + Zsand together on the player list?


Players:

Jpap
RB
Coler
JLZsand
Jm
Annie
Kash
Ogre
Zaffy
Noodles
Dawg
Rocker
Wycco
DD
Phoenixn7g
Lanimret
Rich
Paperdragon

[paperdragon]

Obviously JL is a vampire and controlling Zsand!

(woo, my first mafia game has started!)

[IceH2O]

Jpap
RB
Coler
JL
Zsand
Jm
Annie
Kash
Ogre
Zaffy
Noodles
Dawg
Rocker
Wycco
DD
Phoenixn7g
Lanimret
Rich
Paperdragon


Fixed

[OgreMkV]

Ogre sits on his front porch with a large pile of hickory branches and a knife for whittling.

Actually, I kind of liked the vote first thing, I was hoping you would use it this time around.

[noodles62]

This should be fun! :woot:

[Wycco]

Are we allowed to talk during the night? Shouldn't we all be fast asleep in our beds?

[noodles62]

Question Mod - Are Phoenixn7g and Lanimret aliases or new players? Did not see them in the sign up thread.....just curious.

[Kashta]

Obviously JL is a vampire and controlling Zsand!

(woo, my first mafia game has started!)

LOL. I checked the sign up thread to see if they signed up back-to-back... just in case. And they did, so I guess it doesn't mean anything.


Are we allowed to talk during the night? Shouldn't we all be fast asleep in our beds?

We can talk. It's daytime until the mod says it is night.


Question Mod - Are Phoenixn7g and Lanimret aliases or new players? Did not see them in the sign up thread.....just curious.

Phoenix is a member. Lanimret spells Terminal backwards...... don't know who that is or if it means anything either.

[Rbishop]

Strings garlic necklaces for the Townies....

[Lycanthropic]

yes noodles, I am. and i was in the sign up thread.

[paperdragon]

Who wants extra garlic bread with their dinner?

[Lycanthropic]

IRL, I used to have an allergy to garlic.:sick:

[noodles62]

yes noodles, I am. and i was in the sign up thread.

aaahh, now I recognize you. Thanks.

[noodles62]

Strings garlic necklaces for the Townies....

I will buy one, peddler....


Who wants extra garlic bread with their dinner?

I love garlic; **** the bad breathe!

[Rbishop]

No charge noodles....if you put it on and fizzle...I got ya!

[noodles62]

No charge noodles....if you put it on and fizzle...I got ya!


LOL Thanks! No fizzles here. :p:

[OgreMkV]

LOL. I checked the sign up thread to see if they signed up back-to-back... just in case. And they did, so I guess it doesn't mean anything.

We can talk. It's daytime until the mod says it is night.

Phoenix is a member. Lanimret spells Terminal backwards...... don't know who that is or if it means anything either.

Aquariacentral require that alias accounts have 'AC' in front of them. So it's a real account.


LOL Thanks! No fizzles here. :p:

Too much info...

[Wycco]

Game ON

Nightfall Mon 8/17 9 PM EST



Doh! I'm an idiot...

I saw "Nightfall" and thought "Oh it's night" - Somehow must have overlooked the "Mon" saw a date and thought he was listing the date he posted... of course Mon and Saturday are two different days...

:uhoh:

[Rbishop]

Doh! I'm an idiot...

I saw "Nightfall" and thought "Oh it's night" - Somehow must have overlooked the "Mon" saw a date and thought he was listing the date he posted... of course Mon and Saturday are two different days...

:uhoh:


SKIMMER.

[rocker92]

lol

[OgreMkV]

OK, we're just blathering now.

I vote to stick a stake in John. He expects it and maybe he'll show up to defend his honor...

[Zaffy]

My suspect list is pretty long right now, any vampires care to come out and make this interesting?

[noodles62]

Doh! I'm an idiot...

I saw "Nightfall" and thought "Oh it's night" - Somehow must have overlooked the "Mon" saw a date and thought he was listing the date he posted... of course Mon and Saturday are two different days...

:uhoh:

I.....must.....refrain.....:lipssealedsmilie:

[Rbishop]

hmmm...are we sticking a stake or lynching...or does it matter?

[Dangerdoll]

woohoo!! I forgot the game was starting today... I am gonna miss the Must Vote on First Post rule too.... and where is the voting directions? I vote and I retract...

[jpappy789]

I'm pumped that the game ended up being this format!

I vote to lynch Dangerdoll

Just because :silly:

[jpappy789]

Or I vote to stick a stake in Dangerdoll

whichever is correct :huh:

[Coler]

Hi boys and girls.

I vant to velcome you all to *ahemcoff* I mean eh yup them vampires sure do suck...or bite rather.

[IceH2O]

hmmm...are we sticking a stake or lynching...or does it matter?


Both are acceptable

[Dangerdoll]

I'm pumped that the game ended up being this format!

I vote to lynch Dangerdoll

Just because :silly:

:eek:

[noodles62]

Hi boys and girls.

I vant to velcome you all to *ahemcoff* I mean eh yup them vampires sure do suck...or bite rather.


If you whisper that Irish accent into my ear, you can bite my neck anytime! :naughty:

*ahem* I mean death to all vampires...:o

[Kashta]

Strings garlic necklaces for the Townies....

Love some of these.. I got some already, but one never knows how much is enough with this crowd.


Who wants extra garlic bread with their dinner?

Finally... a game where it's safe to admit we actually like garlic!!


Doh! I'm an idiot...

I saw "Nightfall" and thought "Oh it's night" - Somehow must have overlooked the "Mon" saw a date and thought he was listing the date he posted... of course Mon and Saturday are two different days...

:uhoh:

Good to know our villiage has an idiot. ;) (I've often suspected as much.)

Okay, that's all fun but on with the game.... I basically suspect everyone at this point... of course. But I did look back at that previous vampire game Ice modded since he gave us the link and suggested it. I found it noteworthy to learn that he's known for hand-picking PR roles (of course that time he said it was random). Still with this in mind, I'm thinking he's chosen someone specific for the leading vamp role in this game. That person then gets to pick the second vampire..... then those two get to turn 2 more villagers into vampires over the first 2 days.

As I don't see this progression would really involve new or inexperienced players very much, I'm going to pay more attention and probably be more suspicious of the vets among us.

This is subject to change because a lot is bound to happen before nightfall, but for now...

I vote to drive a stake into Zsandman.

[jpappy789]

How did you not see that coming DD? LOL

[johnlarson66]

Ogre sits on his front porch with a large pile of hickory branches and a knife for whittling.

Actually, I kind of liked the vote first thing, I was hoping you would use it this time around.

Just because it is not required, you can still post a vote with your first vote, which you chose not to.


OK, we're just blathering now.

I vote to stick a stake in John. He expects it and maybe he'll show up to defend his honor...

I am not sure if I expected it or not, but I do appreciated it. I would not want to be forgotten. I am not too concerned about my honor, but I have showed up to kill some vampires.

Speaking of vampires, I vote to stick a stake into Kashta, as promised.

Feel free to use any of the following reasons for my vote on her -

a) she is playing differently than she has in the past.
b) she is playing the same as she has in the past.
c) something just doesn't seem right with her.
d) just a gut feeling
e) she was reading peoples profiles
f) she was reading PM's
g) she is a distration to the town
h) she is skimming
i) there is no train on her

I have thought hard about this. I am so sure that Kashta is evil that I am willing to risk a life on it, not my life, but wycco's. If Kashta is not evil, then wycco should just kill themselves. That is how sure I am of Kashta.

[jpappy789]

:rofl:

[noodles62]

:rofl: Too funny JL!

[Rbishop]

I just "staked" some cucumber.....the LF albinos are loving it....

[Kashta]

OMG JL.. that's the funniest vote I've ever gotten! That even beats Mad voting me twice (if he could).

Touche, mutt!

[Zaffy]

Just because it is not required, you can still post a vote with your first vote, which you chose not to.



I am not sure if I expected it or not, but I do appreciated it. I would not want to be forgotten. I am not too concerned about my honor, but I have showed up to kill some vampires.

Speaking of vampires, I vote to stick a stake into Kashta, as promised.

Feel free to use any of the following reasons for my vote on her -

a) she is playing differently than she has in the past.
b) she is playing the same as she has in the past.
c) something just doesn't seem right with her.
d) just a gut feeling
e) she was reading peoples profiles
f) she was reading PM's
g) she is a distration to the town
h) she is skimming
i) there is no train on her

I have thought hard about this. I am so sure that Kashta is evil that I am willing to risk a life on it, not my life, but wycco's. If Kashta is not evil, then wycco should just kill themselves. That is how sure I am of Kashta.


Based on the last game, he just may. No hard feelings Wycco, you made it fun. :nutkick:

I vote to stick a stake in Jpappy

I choose reason "i" from above, but would change the wording to "him" rather than "her"

[Lady G]

Well, I can't play (boo-whoo-whoo), but I wanted to say to Coler.....I believe vamps both suck AND bite!!!

[Lady G]

HAHAHHAAH....LMAO, sorry everyone didn't realize this was the actual game, thought it was the sign up.

Feel free to delete my posts plz!

[lanimret]

Lanimret spells Terminal backwards...... don't know who that is or if it means anything either.

Would only mean something if I knew what I was before I signed up right?

;)

I of course choose to lynch Zaffy, cause he is a sneaky ******* and I don't trust him from the get-go. You should take my word for it.

[Zaffy]

Would only mean something if I knew what I was before I signed up right?

;)

I of course choose to lynch Zaffy, cause he is a sneaky ******* and I don't trust him from the get-go. You should take my word for it.


Fair enough, put your vote in bold though :P And I'm never helping you move again.

[lanimret]

Would only mean something if I knew what I was before I signed up right?

;)

I of course choose to lynch Zaffy, cause he is a sneaky ******* and I don't trust him from the get-go. You should take my word for it.

Forgot to bold the above!

[OgreMkV]

Would only mean something if I knew what I was before I signed up right?

;)

I of course choose to lynch Zaffy, cause he is a sneaky ******* and I don't trust him from the get-go. You should take my word for it.


Fair enough, put your vote in bold though :P And I'm never helping you move again.

Teammates already? hmmm....

[OgreMkV]

Love some of these.. I got some already, but one never knows how much is enough with this crowd.



Finally... a game where it's safe to admit we actually like garlic!!



Good to know our villiage has an idiot. ;) (I've often suspected as much.)

Okay, that's all fun but on with the game.... I basically suspect everyone at this point... of course. But I did look back at that previous vampire game Ice modded since he gave us the link and suggested it. I found it noteworthy to learn that he's known for hand-picking PR roles (of course that time he said it was random). Still with this in mind, I'm thinking he's chosen someone specific for the leading vamp role in this game. That person then gets to pick the second vampire..... then those two get to turn 2 more villagers into vampires over the first 2 days.

As I don't see this progression would really involve new or inexperienced players very much, I'm going to pay more attention and probably be more suspicious of the vets among us.

This is subject to change because a lot is bound to happen before nightfall, but for now...

I vote to drive a stake into Zsandman.

You know, I could actually see this. There's always been some concern ever since the 'dreamteam' game... which didn't work out so well at all.

There's a few players in this game who would be good candidates for this.

[paperdragon]

I vote to stake Wycco... Just because. :p

[rich311k]

I vote to stick a stake in Zaffy

No particular reason but I like the first vote thing.

[IceH2O]

Vote Tally

JL- Ogre(24)
DD-Jpap(29)
Zsand-Kash(35)
Kash-JL(37)
Jpap-Zaffy(42)
Zaffy- Lani(47) Rich(51)
Wycco PD(50)

[Wycco]

I am willing to risk a life on it

Shouldn't that be willing to "stake" a life on it?


, not my life, but wycco's

:(




:)

[jm1212]

i vote to stick a stake in wycco

that joke was just too bad not to get one on day one ;)

[Kashta]

Hi boys and girls.

I vant to velcome you all to *ahemcoff* I mean eh yup them vampires sure do suck...or bite rather.

Agree with this one.. lol. (Just don't have a "bite" graphic yet though.)


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You know, I could actually see this. There's always been some concern ever since the 'dreamteam' game... which didn't work out so well at all.

There's a few players in this game who would be good candidates for this.

I don't get the reference since I don't know all those games. Curious what you mean about there being some concern about it still...... do you remember which game the "dreamteam" one was? Is that one Ice modded too?

[jpappy789]

Based on the last game, he just may. No hard feelings Wycco, you made it fun. :nutkick:

I vote to stick a stake in Jpappy

I choose reason "i" from above, but would change the wording to "him" rather than "her"
I would sooooooo OMGUS vote you for the same reason but you technically might have a train forming on you which would make me a hypocrit. I'm not a hypocrit. Why do you taunt me so? ;)

[Zaffy]

[/B]

Shouldn't that be willing to "stake" a life on it?

[/B]

:(




:)


I just want to say, "Our Glorious Vampire" avatar needs more love, that is hilarious.

[jpappy789]

<snip>

I don't get the reference since I don't know all those games. Curious what you mean about there being some concern about it still...... do you remember which game the "dreamteam" one was? Is that one Ice modded too?
I think what Ogre means is that there may have been a game (I dont remember exactly which) where the entire mafia team is made up of vets...granted, seeing as this is a team building format the only hand picking done by the mod would be the LV. Not sure why Ogre would bring this up though.

[Lycanthropic]

Now to wait... gosh this is going to kill me!

[rocker92]

if you are going to vote please put it in BOLD


like this...I vote to stick a stake into Kash

just for the hell of it ;)

[jpappy789]

Now to wait... gosh this is going to kill me!
Now why would anyone be waiting at this point unless they were a vampire who has just picked their first night's victim?

[Kashta]

I don't get the reference since I don't know all those games. Curious what you mean about there being some concern about it still...... do you remember which game the "dreamteam" one was? Is that one Ice modded too?


I think what Ogre means is that there may have been a game (I dont remember exactly which) where the entire mafia team is made up of vets...granted, seeing as this is a team building format the only hand picking done by the mod would be the LV. Not sure why Ogre would bring this up though.

Let's see, Ogre said that in reply to my theory that the 2 vamps we're dealing with (so far) are probably both vets at playing this game. So I guess that reminded him of this "dream" mafia team game that was made up of vets... where the game fell apart. And yes, I would like to find that game eventually and at least browse through it. I also wish I had time to browse through a lot of old game threads. It would be interesting and helpful, I'm sure.

Anyway, if that's what we're facing in this vampire team-building format, then I hope we either catch on soon enough to stop them, or that something happens and they fall apart too.


Now to wait... gosh this is going to kill me!

Phoenix... what are you waiting for? Some of us have made early votes, but you haven't. (Not that there's a rush to vote either, of course.) From that it just sounds like the suspense is getting to you already. lol.. we've got such a long way to go!!


if you are going to vote please put it in BOLD


like this...I vote to stick a stake into Kash

just for the hell of it ;)

Nice example there, Rocker, on how to vote someone. Now.. pick someone out (someone else, preferrably) to make a "real" vote. I wouldn't want Ice to accidentally count this one by mistake. ;)

:rofl:

[johnlarson66]

I don't like this talk of a dream team or hand picked roles.

I also don't like how being a veteran player somehow makes someone more of a suspect. Kash was evil her first game. Come to think of it I think I was evil my first time (which for the record I was very bad at and get lynched big time).

It is best for me to assume the roles are random and to learn from who voted for who and who has died and not focus on a bunch of what ifs.

I think the next game I mod I will make every newb mafia. I will also give them extra investigations! :p:

[johnlarson66]

Following are Ogre's only five post to date -


Ogre sits on his front porch with a large pile of hickory branches and a knife for whittling.

Actually, I kind of liked the vote first thing, I was hoping you would use it this time around.


Aquariacentral require that alias accounts have 'AC' in front of them. So it's a real account.



Too much info...


OK, we're just blathering now.

I vote to stick a stake in John. He expects it and maybe he'll show up to defend his honor...


Teammates already? hmmm....


You know, I could actually see this. There's always been some concern ever since the 'dreamteam' game... which didn't work out so well at all.

There's a few players in this game who would be good candidates for this.

Now here is Kashta's last post -


Let's see, Ogre said that in reply to my theory that the 2 vamps we're dealing with (so far) are probably both vets at playing this game. So I guess that reminded him of this "dream" mafia team game that was made up of vets... where the game fell apart. And yes, I would like to find that game eventually and at least browse through it. I also wish I had time to browse through a lot of old game threads. It would be interesting and helpful, I'm sure.

Anyway, if that's what we're facing in this vampire team-building format, then I hope we either catch on soon enough to stop them, or that something happens and they fall apart too.



Phoenix... what are you waiting for? Some of us have made early votes, but you haven't. (Not that there's a rush to vote either, of course.) From that it just sounds like the suspense is getting to you already. lol.. we've got such a long way to go!!



Nice example there, Rocker, on how to vote someone. Now.. pick someone out (someone else, preferrably) to make a "real" vote. I wouldn't want Ice to accidentally count this one by mistake. ;)

:rofl:

Here is the part that bothers me - "Let's see, Ogre said that in reply to my theory that the 2 vamps we're dealing with (so far) are probably both vets at playing this game."

Now maybe I missed and maybe I am skimming, but I just don't see Ogre making that reply. This really looks like Kash putting words in Ogre's mouth.

This really bothers me and I would like to know why Kash put this back on Ogre when all he said (in response to her) was "You know, I could actually see this."

This really bothers me and I feel much better about my vote on Kash. My joke vote on noods from game 53 proved to be on evil and I think this joke vote is also on evil.

[johnlarson66]

Here is the post that Ogre "agreed" with -


Love some of these.. I got some already, but one never knows how much is enough with this crowd.



Finally... a game where it's safe to admit we actually like garlic!!



Good to know our villiage has an idiot. ;) (I've often suspected as much.)

Okay, that's all fun but on with the game.... I basically suspect everyone at this point... of course. But I did look back at that previous vampire game Ice modded since he gave us the link and suggested it. I found it noteworthy to learn that he's known for hand-picking PR roles (of course that time he said it was random). Still with this in mind, I'm thinking he's chosen someone specific for the leading vamp role in this game. That person then gets to pick the second vampire..... then those two get to turn 2 more villagers into vampires over the first 2 days.

As I don't see this progression would really involve new or inexperienced players very much, I'm going to pay more attention and probably be more suspicious of the vets among us.

This is subject to change because a lot is bound to happen before nightfall, but for now...

I vote to drive a stake into Zsandman.

Also here is a quote from Ice at the end of the vampires 17 -


I want add that all roles were random this time.

I would like to know where Kash "found it noteworthy to learn that he's known for hand-picking PR roles."? I know mods are accused of this, but Ice clearly stated after the game that is was random. She made it look like she found her new found knowledge in vampires 17, but I am not sure how when she even states that Ice claimed that is was random. I don't think Ice would lie about this.

This misdirection and misinformation from Kash is fairly blatent. I hope others see this.

Now the vampires are hand picked, by the Lead Vampire. If you go back to vampires 17, the LV, clown-lover, was not an overly experienced veteran, but his turns were very good players. That game also had plenty of new players, but the LV picked strong experinced players.

So let's not worry if who Ice picked for LV was random or not, I am fairly confident that it was random. What is more important is who would the LV want to turn first?

[AnniesNotOK]

I vote to stake Dawg.
Subject to change without notice.

[paperdragon]

Y'all are all vampires. Every one o' y'all.

*strings up more garlic*

[Coler]

There is no 'train' possible in this first day (if we understand 'train' as being a whole load of mafia jumping on an innocent who has accrued a couple of votes). There are only two scum voters in the town. Talk of trains forming etc. is pure stupid.

[OgreMkV]

I read the rules page and I didn't see anything about random roles. I did see a townie will get a random list of investigations on night four.

John: I agree that the LV would probably pick experienced players first... hence you. But do you think an experienced LV would picked relative newbies first just cause we would concentrate on the vets?

[Coler]

If I was the LV I would want either one of the best player in the game, or a complete newb who I would (try and) coach.

[noodles62]

I vote to stick a stake into Annie; just a fairly random vote at this point, altho she (?) again seems to be just popping in to make a vote and that is all the contribution we get. This vote is subject to change as the day progresses.

[ZSandmann]

Darn a Villager again. :y220d:


Yay! Good game everyone - except you nasty bloodsuckers!

Hey Ice...... what about JL + Zsand together on the player list?

Apart we are good players, but together we become a superplayer, kind of like Transformers with people but less flame paint job.


Love some of these.. I got some already, but one never knows how much is enough with this crowd.



Finally... a game where it's safe to admit we actually like garlic!!



Good to know our villiage has an idiot. ;) (I've often suspected as much.)

Okay, that's all fun but on with the game.... I basically suspect everyone at this point... of course. But I did look back at that previous vampire game Ice modded since he gave us the link and suggested it. I found it noteworthy to learn that he's known for hand-picking PR roles (of course that time he said it was random). Still with this in mind, I'm thinking he's chosen someone specific for the leading vamp role in this game. That person then gets to pick the second vampire..... then those two get to turn 2 more villagers into vampires over the first 2 days.

As I don't see this progression would really involve new or inexperienced players very much, I'm going to pay more attention and probably be more suspicious of the vets among us.

This is subject to change because a lot is bound to happen before nightfall, but for now...

I vote to drive a stake into Zsandman.

OMGUS WIFOM and some other acronyms
I vote to stick a stake in Kashta!

No reason other than I have to suspect someone who would vote for me so early when I am great Vamp fodder. AB+ by the way Kash if you have a taste for a certain vintage.

[OgreMkV]

Darn a Villager again. :y220d:

Apart we are good players, but together we become a superplayer, kind of like Transformers with people but less flame paint job.

OMGUS WIFOM and some other acronyms
I vote to stick a stake in Kashta!

No reason other than I have to suspect someone who would vote for me so early when I am great Vamp fodder. AB+ by the way Kash if you have a taste for a certain vintage.

Why would someone vote for you if they're going to turn you? So, is this distancing already?

[ZSandmann]

Why would someone vote for you if they're going to turn you? So, is this distancing already?

Yes.

[Rbishop]

I vote to stake Zsand......

Don't care for any blood, but AB+ just really irks my sensibilities.....and stains my angel wings.

[Kashta]

I don't like this talk of a dream team or hand picked roles.

I also don't like how being a veteran player somehow makes someone more of a suspect. Kash was evil her first game. Come to think of it I think I was evil my first time (which for the record I was very bad at and get lynched big time).

It is best for me to assume the roles are random and to learn from who voted for who and who has died and not focus on a bunch of what ifs.

I think the next game I mod I will make every newb mafia. I will also give them extra investigations! :p:

John doesn't like my theory. Correction: John doesn't like my theory A LOT! In fact, John doesn't like my theory so much that he's using it to portray me as EVIL -- for simply suggesting it.

[Kashta]

Following are Ogre's only five post to date

Skipping that. There's nothing there that relates to my theory and it wasn't the point I made. This didn't come from Ogre and I haven't attributed it to Ogre.


Now here is Kashta's last post -

Skipping that too. They've seen it... they've read it. No need to re-quote the parts John quoted already.


Here is the part that bothers me - "Let's see, Ogre said that in reply to my theory that the 2 vamps we're dealing with (so far) are probably both vets at playing this game."

Here it is. This is the "twist" or point of misunderstanding where John went off on his merry way to another whole direction.

Since this is the part that bothers John so much, I'll break it down:

1. "Ogre said that" <-- The "that" part is what Ogre said. I used the word "that" in reference to the statement Ogre posted.

2. "in reply to my theory" <-- The "my theory" part is what I continued to restate using the remaining words in that sentence.

3. What was my theory? <-- The rest of that sentence highlighted in red, which reads: "...that the 2 vamps we're dealing with (so far) are probably both vets at playing this game."

So... I told Jpappy that Ogre said (what he posted) in reply to my theory (see #3 above).

[Kashta]

Now maybe I missed and maybe I am skimming, but I just don't see Ogre making that reply. This really looks like Kash putting words in Ogre's mouth.

This really bothers me and I would like to know why Kash put this back on Ogre when all he said (in response to her) was "You know, I could actually see this."

This really bothers me and I feel much better about my vote on Kash. My joke vote on noods from game 53 proved to be on evil and I think this joke vote is also on evil.

"I just don't see Ogre making that reply" <-- That statement is correct. Ogre didn't say those words... I did. I wasn't putting those words in his mouth, I was stating my own idea.


Here is the post that Ogre "agreed" with -

Also here is a quote from Ice at the end of the vampires 17 -

No need for these posts again. That's not John's question. And yes.. Ice told people after Game 17 was over that the roles were assigned randomly. No point of disagreement there, John.

[Kashta]

I would like to know where Kash "found it noteworthy to learn that he's known for hand-picking PR roles."? I know mods are accused of this, but Ice clearly stated after the game that is was random. She made it look like she found her new found knowledge in vampires 17, but I am not sure how when she even states that Ice claimed that is was random. I don't think Ice would lie about this.

Okay, John. You want to know where I found out that Ice is well known for picking PR roles....... so I'll show you (see below). First, here's a summary.

1. Vampire 17 was not the first vampire game Ice modded using the same format they had then and that we have now. This was something I didn't know before I read about it in the game 17 thread.

2. In a game previous to vampire #17 (which was also modded by Ice).. Ice did in fact hand-pick the Lead Vampire's role himself. Rbishop was the Lead Vampire in that game and he was chosen (by Ice) for the role because Rbishop had modded previous mafia games before. This turned out to be a problem, apparently, because Rbishop was also the first person who was investigated by the Seer. Ice admitted afterward that he hand-picked the Lead Vampire role himself. It was not assigned to Rbishop randomly.

3. When Ice modded vampire 17, the players all knew that Ice was known for hand-picking roles instead of assigning them at random. For this reason, they talked a lot about this fact. They also wondered if their roles were random or hand-picked in that game.

4. After game 17 was over... Ice posted that message (finally) to let those players know that their role assignments were done randomly..... "this time."


This misdirection and misinformation from Kash is fairly blatent. I hope others see this.

Now the vampires are hand picked, by the Lead Vampire. If you go back to vampires 17, the LV, clown-lover, was not an overly experienced veteran, but his turns were very good players. That game also had plenty of new players, but the LV picked strong experinced players.

You're not looking in the right places, John. The game 17 vampire was random, but in the previous game before that... it wasn't random. Ice chose the Lead Vampire role himself. It was while reading about this that I learned of this and yes.. I consider that "noteworthy."


Post 153: "In the Vampire game Ice Mod'ed last time I was the Seer. He later admitted he hand hand picked RB as the LV" ....went on to explain "RB was my first investigation."

Post 286: "I was kinda curious about Ice possibly picking a Mod as LV."

Post 308: "Hmmm, wouldn't that be kinda ironic if Ice made Jmax the LV of this game??"

You're really going to like this one, John. You were an innocent villager in vampire game 17.. this quote is one you posted yourself.


Post 347: "Something I have thought about, and I think about it almost every game, is how the roles were handed out. If the LV role was handpicked, would Ice give it to rbishop?"

These are real easy to paste in, so I'll continue. For anyone who doesn't want to go through them all..... just read the blue ones.


Post 352: "I am having doubts because of this defense and about my vote on rb because of what has already been said and agree that it would be something if roles were hand picked..."

Post 372: "I would just like to mention though, I don't think Ice would make RB, LV again this game so IF this theory is true I would have to say HN is the LV."

Post 377: "I simply agreed w/you that Ice might have made her lead vampire."

Post 378: "I don't think Ice would make RB lead vamp again, though."

Post 393: "If HN wasn't the LV, that would make it RB and I don't see Ice as making RB the LV again."

Post 438: "While I had started to believe Ice chose a newb for LV, it would not suprise me if he selected RB again as LV. He often employs reverse psychology and may have believed we would think it too obvious."

Post 441: "Was the role setting up done by random, or did ice pick? I think its usually done randomly, but whos to say it ACTUALLY is random? Know what i mean?"

Post 442: "Ice has stated several times he "hand picks" his roles, can't be sure about this game...but he has said that on several occasions."

Post 450: "If you weren't always skimming, you might have read about how Ice has hand picked the roles in the past."

Post 513: "On the issue of a hand picked LV, i dont believe Ice would give it to a newbie who has only play one, or no previous games, as its a role that i think is complex and needs some gaming experience to carry out...so, i shall be looking to someone with a little more experience for this role... "

Post 515: "And by the same token, if Ice chose a more experienced player as LV, then the LV is equally unlikely to choose a newb as an acomplice"

Post 518: "I do believe her to be Vamp..possible LV. She is for sure one I could see Ice "hand" picking."

Post 534: "I'm back and forth on RB being the LV. I can see Ice chosing him, but on the other hand I can see Ice selecting a newb for the role as well. I think the game was easier for me when I believed the roles were selected at random. "

Post 539: "And if the roles were hand picked I can only think of a couple of other choices that would fit into that mold.. "

Post 572: "I keep having Charlie's statement go through my head that ICE likes to hand pick rolls.. "


This comes from end of game post made by Ice.


Post 1466: "I want add that all roles were random this time."

Almost done, here's where John left off.


So let's not worry if who Ice picked for LV was random or not, I am fairly confident that it was random. What is more important is who would the LV want to turn first?

Again, I feel there's good reason to believe our roles THIS TIME were not all assigned randomly. Ice has done it before... several times, in fact. It's a reasonable possibility IMO that Ice picked the LV role himself.

I also believe it's possible that that he didn't. So it's important for us all to consider both theories.... whether veterans like JL likes it or not.

[Coler]

Kashta you would pretty much count as a veteran anyway.

[Rbishop]

Rbishop has a priest over....blessing all 28 tanks so he has plenty of Holy Water....

[jm1212]

kash, you are doing it again.

[OgreMkV]

Kashta you would pretty much count as a veteran anyway.

Agree with that.

OK, so we've (weel, Kash) established that the LV could be picked or not. I think it's safe to assume at this point that all this doesn't really matter.

Personally, I think it's more important that we look at the potential victims (the two automatic turns). Those are the ones that it should be easier to pick out. The seer can investigate them and could get lucky, even on night one (seer investigates last).

Do you guys think we should post a list of the ones we would turn if we were the LV? We've done it in the past, but I'm not sure if there was a lot of value to it. On the other hand, it might give the seer a goot list of possibles.

Thoughts?

[OgreMkV]

Rbishop has a priest over....blessing all 28 tanks so he has plenty of Holy Water....

Heck with that, I want my super soaker blessed!


kash, you are doing it again.

doing what again?

[Rbishop]

Don't see how it can hurt Ogre....but it could also show the LV who not to pick....

[rich311k]

So would you turn if you were the head Vamp? I would think JL, DD, Noods lots of choices.

[Kashta]

Kashta you would pretty much count as a veteran anyway.

Me?? lmao.. that's cute. No Coler.... I highly doubt Ice would hand pick me for a critical role.

For that matter... the players who know me and who've watched me play would rank me quite high on their Most Likely to Get Herself Lynched list. That's my impression of myself anyway... (so far still) based on some really stupid mistakes I've made in the last several games that put me on the hotseat or got me lynched right away.

In that last game, I had the Doc's role (assigned randomly by the mod). That turned out to be a disaster for me (and it hurt the town) because I didn't know how to approach that role yet. I couldn't figure out who to protect and I misunderstood the instructions JL sent me about investigations. I also managed to get myself lynched on Day 1.

Would you hand me a much more complex Lead Vampire role in this game? I doubt that very much. However.. I can see why you would make this suggestion. I've played 4 games (and a 1/2)... while you've been doing this for a lot longer. Game 17 happened a year and half ago. And I believe you were listed on that game's player list.

[ZSandmann]

I'd turn Zaffy, Rocker, or some of the new folks that I thought wouldn't UD but that I think the Seer wouldn't waste an invest on. The big names draw too much attention.

[AnniesNotOK]

I vote to stick a stake into Annie; just a fairly random vote at this point, altho she (?) again seems to be just popping in to make a vote and that is all the contribution we get. This vote is subject to change as the day progresses.

Yes Noods, because there must be thousands of clues I missed, with two pages of posts. I probably should have it all figured out by now. Last game, you and your scummy friends tried to start a train on me a couple times using this very same reasoning....Hmmmmmmm......

If I were LV, I think I would select a noob to turn. The vets have wayyyyyyyyy to much heat on them, and the Seer is more likely to investigate the veterans first.

If the roles were handpicked, I think Ice would have been careful to select players who will be fairly active and not UD.

[Kashta]

I agree we need to think about what the Lead Vampire + 2nd Vampire would be doing and how they'd approach this. But I'm concerned about us throwing out names to suggest who we think are innocent, who any of the village PRs might be, or who might be the most useful or least risky choice for the vampires to turn. Doing that, we're just setting each other up by helping to do the vampires' thinking for them.

Instead of posting names, I thought about the tactics they might use. First, we know they'll work as a team... everything's coordinated so it won't look like they're working together. The LV will pick a partner they can rely on to survive (not get themselves staked/lynched early in the game) and one who can influence other people in the thread. For lynching, they'd probably push for someone expendable.... someone they're not interested in recruiting for their team. For turning, I think they'd target someone who's innocent AND most likely to be a PR. That would get them one less body on the opposing team, a vicious/crafty vampire working on their side, and eliminates a (powerful) village PR who's trying to ID them and kill them.

[Coler]

Me?? lmao.. that's cute. No Coler.... I highly doubt Ice would hand pick me for a critical role.

For that matter... the players who know me and who've watched me play would rank me quite high on their Most Likely to Get Herself Lynched list. That's my impression of myself anyway... (so far still) based on some really stupid mistakes I've made in the last several games that put me on the hotseat or got me lynched right away.

In that last game, I had the Doc's role (assigned randomly by the mod). That turned out to be a disaster for me (and it hurt the town) because I didn't know how to approach that role yet. I couldn't figure out who to protect and I misunderstood the instructions JL sent me about investigations. I also managed to get myself lynched on Day 1.

Would you hand me a much more complex Lead Vampire role in this game? I doubt that very much. However.. I can see why you would make this suggestion. I've played 4 games (and a 1/2)... while you've been doing this for a lot longer. Game 17 happened a year and half ago. And I believe you were listed on that game's player list.

You are very defensive. And btw I was in game 1.

[paperdragon]

Is it wrong of me to only vaguely skim over all these long rambley accusatory posts? :)

[jm1212]

Is it wrong of me to only vaguely skim over all these long rambley accusatory posts? :)
well you wont have to if you are a vamp ;)

[jpappy789]

TBH I pretty much skimmed Kashta's posts to get the idea...normal day one rambling from her. blah blah blah blah...

[jpappy789]

Agree with that.

OK, so we've (weel, Kash) established that the LV could be picked or not. I think it's safe to assume at this point that all this doesn't really matter.

Personally, I think it's more important that we look at the potential victims (the two automatic turns). Those are the ones that it should be easier to pick out. The seer can investigate them and could get lucky, even on night one (seer investigates last).

Do you guys think we should post a list of the ones we would turn if we were the LV? We've done it in the past, but I'm not sure if there was a lot of value to it. On the other hand, it might give the seer a goot list of possibles.

Thoughts?
I don't think there is a single player in the game who I would have second thoughts about turning.

I hate thinking like scum...it just seems to mess things up rather than go after people for what they actually posted. The seer is really the only one who should be trying to think like the LV at this point IMO.

[paperdragon]

well you wont have to if you are a vamp ;)

I can assure you, I am 100% innocent in each and every way. :p:

[jpappy789]

I can assure you, I am 100% innocent in each and every way. :p:
:rolleyes:

[Zaffy]

I can assure you, I am 100% innocent in each and every way. :p:

That's one off the list, surely scum would never lie. :screwy:

[Dangerdoll]

How did you not see that coming DD? LOL


Heck with that, I want my super soaker blessed!



doing what again?
ok, didn't have much time to post up to now and wont for a little while at the very least but I did want to say who I am leaning on voting for (and going ahead with it)....

I vote to stick a stake into Kash....

I will be keeping eyes on the vets... but I really think it's kind of a foolish idea to think IOce made the entire team vets... just doesn't make sense because I would think that would be too simple for Ice to throw together... just my thoughts...

[Rbishop]

ok, didn't have much time to post up to now and wont for a little while at the very least but I did want to say who I am leaning on voting for (and going ahead with it)....

I vote to stick a stake into Kash....

I will be keeping eyes on the vets... but I really think it's kind of a foolish idea to think IOce made the entire team vets... just doesn't make sense because I would think that would be too simple for Ice to throw together... just my thoughts...


hmmm...Ice would only have to make one person as an LV.....per the rules for this game.....

[jpappy789]

DD...been skimming any rules lately?

[OgreMkV]

That's what, 4 for Kash?

[Dangerdoll]

I was talking about the team of vampires, not just the Lead.

[paperdragon]

I was talking about the team of vampires, not just the Lead.

And that's why you're being accused of skimming. There is no team yet. Just the lead and whoever the lead turned at the start of the game. :)

(and to keep in the spirit of the game...)


This uncertainty of the rules seems feigned. You must be trying to throw us off with the ol' "vampires would know the rules better than I do" trick.

[Dangerdoll]

ah.... I see now....

I am not well known for thoroughly tearing apart the rules in the game, so this is no exception, paper... trust me... as I said, I didn't have a lot of time to read through the thread so was going by posts. I do find it interesting how quick you are to jump on a common error like that... you know, you being a newbie and all... go ahead... go ask the Lead if you should keep your mouth shut for now.

[paperdragon]

Hehehe, newbies aren't supposed to actually get involved in the game then? lol

Nice try Vampira.

[jpappy789]

Interesting excuse DD seeing as you played the last Vamp game...I like my vote for now.

[jm1212]

the LV and one other player is kindof a team

[jpappy789]

Except only one had their role chosen by the mod.

Why is that such a hard concept to comprehend? :shakehead:

[rich311k]

Except only one had their role chosen by the mod.

Why is that such a hard concept to comprehend? :shakehead:

We are slow? So no teams to base the early vote on, pretty much shear chance.

[Dangerdoll]

Except only one had their role chosen by the mod.

Why is that such a hard concept to comprehend? :shakehead:
what part of this means that the 2 are not a team?? Regardless if the mod chose the roll or the LV did.... the two of them together are still a team.

[Kashta]

ok, didn't have much time to post up to now and wont for a little while at the very least but I did want to say who I am leaning on voting for (and going ahead with it)....

I vote to stick a stake into Kash....

I will be keeping eyes on the vets... but I really think it's kind of a foolish idea to think IOce made the entire team vets... just doesn't make sense because I would think that would be too simple for Ice to throw together... just my thoughts...


Boy, oh boy, did this catch my interest. This isn't even remotely believable, DD. By all means, go ahead make your usual claims that you're oh-so-busy you don't have time to post or read or pay any attention to the game, to the posts, to the rules, or to the format that you actually know very well. We'll all just attribute this confusion to you being vague and disconnected..... like always.... when, in reality, you are nothing of sort.

You know exactly how this exact same vampire format was played before and it's real simple for you to jump right in again because the all the roles are the same as they were when you've did this before.



hmmm...Ice would only have to make one person as an LV.....per the rules for this game.....


Exactly, Bob. DD knows this just as well as anybody else who's even glanced at the sign up thread, the first page of the game.... beginners and veterans, alike.



DD...been skimming any rules lately?


That's really good. Jpappy knows better. Bishop and Pappy both played this version of the game with DD before.



That's what, 4 for Kash?


Yep, it sure is. DD doesn't have a clue what the basic game format is or how the mafia, erm... how the VAMPIRE team builds up from one to two to many more as this game unfolds. Even so, her bewilderment doesn't stop her from jumping in real quick to cast her vote on someone for reasons she claims that she doesn't understand and won't have time to figure out.



I was talking about the team of vampires, not just the Lead.


DD does a poor job here of explaining herself. She could have said something about all the role assignments made in this game... if she really hadn't been paying attention, that is. They're not all vampires. Only one person was given that role.

This also contradicts her statement in the first text I quoted... "to think Ice made the entire team vets" up there has now become "about the team of vampires" in this post.

Why don't you explain that again, DD? This might be interesting....... How many roles do YOU think there are? And do you think they're ALL vampires?

:rofl:

Oh... I know. DD's playing some other vampire-themed-mafia-game somewhere else and she hasn't bothered to notice that she's posting in the wrong thread. LMAO.



And that's why you're being accused of skimming. There is no team yet. Just the lead and whoever the lead turned at the start of the game.

(and to keep in the spirit of the game...)


This uncertainty of the rules seems feigned. You must be trying to throw us off with the ol' "vampires would know the rules better than I do" trick.

Absolutely right, paperdragon.



ah.... I see now....

I am not well known for thoroughly tearing apart the rules in the game, so this is no exception, paper... trust me... as I said, I didn't have a lot of time to read through the thread so was going by posts. I do find it interesting how quick you are to jump on a common error like that... you know, you being a newbie and all... go ahead... go ask the Lead if you should keep your mouth shut for now.

This keeps getting even better. Tearing apart the rules.. nothing. Try just reading them. Weak, filmsy attempt here DD.



Hehehe, newbies aren't supposed to actually get involved in the game then? lol

Nice try Vampira.


LMAO. It's really very simple isn't it, paper?



Interesting excuse DD seeing as you played the last Vamp game...I like my vote for now.


I'm with this too.



Except only one had their role chosen by the mod.

Why is that such a hard concept to comprehend? :shakehead:


I don't believe that it is and I'm not buying this load of bs DD has posted today.

I retract my vote on Zsandman and vote to stick a stake into Dangerdoll.

[dirtydawg10]

Well sorry I'm late to the game. This is the last post I saw in the sign up thread before I went out of town for the weekend...


Ok John I'll send out PMs Sunday evening instead that way nightfall is Tues night and you have all day Monday and Tuesday to post.

15 players so far.

Well I have some reading to do now...:)

[dirtydawg10]

Well, I can't play (boo-whoo-whoo), but I wanted to say to Coler.....I believe vamps both suck AND bite!!!

LMAO! I vote to stick a stake in LG...;)

[Kashta]

Lmao Dawg.. Someone needs to show that to Lady G. She'll love it!!

[Dangerdoll]

holy crap, very nice work, Kash.... what's the matter, getting a little panicky?? how many times do I have to say I didn't have time to be thorough in reading the game. Looks like someone is pushing a little hard to sway votes.... what's the matter, getting a little hot? Do me a favor and relax a little, and realize, not everyone is taking this quite as serious as you are.

and yes, I was in the first vamp game but how many games ago is that and how many different rules have their been?? You really expect for me to remember every die-hard moment of every mafia game?? OR that everyone has the loads of tiems you do to sit and write novels out for the game?? Sorry, it's Sunday in my world and for everything I cannot get to through the week because of work, I do it on the weekend.

[Dangerdoll]

OR was your post to convince everyone that your vote wasn't an OMGUS vote afterall... ? Yeah, a little wordy to be an OMGUS, but when in the world have you ever not been wordy??

[Kashta]

OR was your post to convince everyone that your vote wasn't an OMGUS vote afterall... ? Yeah, a little wordy to be an OMGUS, but when in the world have you ever not been wordy??

Not in your case, DD. Make that OMGUS(blood) .

[paperdragon]

Excuse the newbieish question, but what is an OMGUS?

[dirtydawg10]

So I figured I would post my favorite vampire mafia game...

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156549&highlight=mafia+vampire

;)

I retract my vote for LG

I need a bit more time to make a decision on my vote for night 1. I will say that the votes for Kash and DD are the most interesting to me right now.

[Dangerdoll]

Oh My Gosh, You Suck, for voting for me so I will vote for you.... basically

[Kashta]

Excuse the newbieish question, but what is an OMGUS?

OMGUS = oh my god you suck.

That's when someone places a retaliation vote for no other reason than because the person voted them.

Clearly not the case here, of course.

[dirtydawg10]

I don't like this talk of a dream team or hand picked roles.

I also don't like how being a veteran player somehow makes someone more of a suspect. Kash was evil her first game. Come to think of it I think I was evil my first time (which for the record I was very bad at and get lynched big time).

It is best for me to assume the roles are random and to learn from who voted for who and who has died and not focus on a bunch of what ifs.

I think the next game I mod I will make every newb mafia. I will also give them extra investigations! :p:

:rofl:


I vote to stake Dawg.
Subject to change without notice.

Nice vote. Care to state why?


Excuse the newbieish question, but what is an OMGUS?

Oh My God yoU Suck! A retaliatory vote.

[paperdragon]

Ah, ok then. lol

[OgreMkV]

You know something just occurred to me. Kash has brought up her role in the last game and how she didn't play it well.

I'm wondering if that was a subtle attempt to A) slip us some info B) slip us some WRONG info and protect herself.

[AnniesNotOK]

:rofl:



Nice vote. Care to state why?



Oh My God yoU Suck! A retaliatory vote.

random number generator.

[Kashta]

You know something just occurred to me. Kash has brought up her role in the last game and how she didn't play it well.

I'm wondering if that was a subtle attempt to A) slip us some info B) slip us some WRONG info and protect herself.

No attempt on my part to slip in anything, Ogre. Coler said he considered me a "veteran" player and you responded to that in agreement. So yes, I addressed that because you're both wrong.

(You're also both veterans who... like JohnLarson... probably aren't thrilled that I suspect all the best players this early in the game, instead of the newbies who trip themselves up making little mistakes.) So you both have some reason to discredit me on one basis or another.

Coler would also think it's fun to take some theory I came up with and throw it right back at me just to see me squirm. He'd really like that kind of irony.

I really don't think the Lead Vamp was picked at random and I don't think Ice gave such an important role to a beginner. Coler (clearly a veteran/highly skilled player) implied that my theory could be equally be applied to me. That's absurd..

If I couldn't play a very basic Doc role last time more effectively, then what would make Ice think this game wouldn't fall apart if he made me the Lead Vampire (by choosing or by random)? He'd put the whole game at risk if I messed it up and got myself killed right off the bat (again).

Furthermore, I don't think Ice has the patience to watch someone struggle with a role like that who's got themselves in over their head. From what I can tell about Ice, that would just annoy the crap out him while he mods this game.

[jpappy789]

ok, didn't have much time to post up to now and wont for a little while at the very least but I did want to say who I am leaning on voting for (and going ahead with it)....

I vote to stick a stake into Kash....

I will be keeping eyes on the vets... but I really think it's kind of a foolish idea to think IOce made the entire team vets... just doesn't make sense because I would think that would be too simple for Ice to throw together... just my thoughts...


Except only one had their role chosen by the mod.

Why is that such a hard concept to comprehend? :shakehead:


what part of this means that the 2 are not a team?? Regardless if the mod chose the roll or the LV did.... the two of them together are still a team.

That is not even the point DD...you said it would be and I quote "kind of a foolish idea to think Ice made the entire team vets"....Ice picked/assigned ONE vamp role. Somehow you missed that...I think you slipped up.

[jpappy789]

Kashta, you're trying to base your innocence off the unlikelihood that Ice hand picked the roles...that is absurd.

[jpappy789]

edit: unlikelihood that he DID NOT hand pick roles is what it should read

[rich311k]

I do have to agree. Kash you are really pushing this and I cannot see why.

[noodles62]

I only have a few minutes as I have company but I really do not like the Kashta is pushing the "ice hand picked the LV role"; I myself have been selected as a Don in a much earlier game and I doubt that experience or charactor plays a role in the selection. To continue to push the idea and not look for other avenues to find the lead vamp is useless and distracting.
JMO. more later when I have more time....

[Kashta]

Kashta, you're trying to base your innocence off the unlikelihood that Ice hand picked the roles...that is absurd.

Nope, that isn't the point. This isn't about my innocence or guilt. And I didn't start this to target a specific player. I'm also aware that my talking and posting a lot today might get me killed again. I know it's a risky way to play this game..... I'd be safer to just coast along and keep my mouth shut. But I still think it's important, so I'm taking that risk.

What matters more to me is to get these possibilities out there in case I don't survive the first nightfall. I'm not in a power role this time so lynching/staking me isn't a big deal. I am expendable. And you guys already know it doesn't matter to me if I get killed off.

[Kashta]

I do have to agree. Kash you are really pushing this and I cannot see why.

I know, Rich. I'm pushing this too hard, probably. But here's why.

I read that game Ice posted a link to. And I saw all those players piling their votes on two newbies the first day. That's the exact same thing we keep doing over and over. Then when their "staking" victim turned up innocent, they all turned against each other. Meanwhile, the vampires kept collecting the best/most advanced players on their side.

Day 2 came along and it was more of the same. As a group, the innocents really don't put themselves at risk to vote against top players. This is the same thing we keep doing over and over again in these games. And the bad guys usually win those games.

In most formats, there's been a mafia team that makes hits... so the better players (innocents) get killed off as it goes. But in this format, those players become vampires instead.

Right now, we have 19 players on the list. Only 2 of them are vampires. If it's all random, we've got about a 1 in 10 shot at taking out a vampire tonight. But if it's not random and we can logically narrow down the list of credible possibilities... we could really get one of them.

[IceH2O]

So I figured I would post my favorite vampire mafia game...

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156549&highlight=mafia+vampire

;)

I retract my vote for LG

I need a bit more time to make a decision on my vote for night 1. I will say that the votes for Kash and DD are the most interesting to me right now.


That game rocked. We had so much fun running the town in circles lol.

[IceH2O]

25 hrs till Night Fall

PMs can be sent in anytime.



Vote Tally

JL- Ogre(24)

DD-Jpap(29)Kash(112)

Zsand-Kash(35) RB(75)

Kash-JL(37)Rocker(60) Zsand(72)DD(99)

Jpap-Zaffy(42)

Zaffy- Lani(47) Rich(51)

Wycco PD(50)Jm(54)

Dawg-Annie(66)

Annie-Noods(71)



No votes:Coler,Dawg,Wycco,Phoenix

[rich311k]

I know, Rich. I'm pushing this too hard, probably. But here's why.

I read that game Ice posted a link to. And I saw all those players piling their votes on two newbies the first day. That's the exact same thing we keep doing over and over. Then when their "staking" victim turned up innocent, they all turned against each other. Meanwhile, the vampires kept collecting the best/most advanced players on their side.

Day 2 came along and it was more of the same. As a group, the innocents really don't put themselves at risk to vote against top players. This is the same thing we keep doing over and over again in these games. And the bad guys usually win those games.

In most formats, there's been a mafia team that makes hits... so the better players (innocents) get killed off as it goes. But in this format, those players become vampires instead.

Right now, we have 19 players on the list. Only 2 of them are vampires. If it's all random, we've got about a 1 in 10 shot at taking out a vampire tonight. But if it's not random and we can logically narrow down the list of credible possibilities... we could really get one of them.

So you are thinking we should look at the old vets, thinking they would be the likely candidates for turning, so if we don't find a vamp at least we got rid of a potentially dangerous player.

[Dangerdoll]

That is not even the point DD...you said it would be and I quote "kind of a foolish idea to think Ice made the entire team vets"....Ice picked/assigned ONE vamp role. Somehow you missed that...I think you slipped up.

Paps, you of all people should know that I wouldn't make such a slip up. Truth of the matter is I didn't read through the rules, I read through the thread due to my lack of time and coming in so late... I do see the trend in where you are riding on Kash's coattails trying to drag this one on though...

[OgreMkV]

Looking at the vote tally. I really don't want this to be a one horse race on Kash. I really think she's playing like she did last game. I'll add her to the 'hyper-aggressive" category.

Unfortunately, the only choice to even get close to Kash is DD and she's never a certain vote for me. Zaffy is another one, but he's got like what, 3 posts? (No, I haven't looked them up.)

Just to try to make it even:
I retract my vote to stake John and vote to stake Zaffy

This is really subject to change and is really based on nothing but trying to make it even.

[Kashta]

So you are thinking we should look at the old vets, thinking they would be the likely candidates for turning, so if we don't find a vamp at least we got rid of a potentially dangerous player.

Yes and no, Rich. I agree with the reasoning you just said, but I'm not just looking at old vets. We have other logical suspects who didn't play the old game(s). Here's what I had and how it's been updated.

I've included the old vets on my original suspect list (5 names). Then I added 4 more names to the list who I felt were also advanced and, therefore, most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights. Through a process of elimination, I took off 4 of the names after that (reasons were either lack of participation or someone who I've guessed their role correctly in other games we've played).

Looking at my list today I've made more changes now that are based solely on the game underway in this thread...

I've dropped 2 names who were there before (Jpappy and Ogre) and I've added back 2 names I'd had already removed before (Coler and Dangerdoll) because of what they've posted today.

You've seen I've switched my vote from Zsand to DD already. My four suspects now are: Dangerdoll (who has my vote), Zsandman, Johnlarson, and Coler.

[OgreMkV]

Yes and no, Rich. I agree with the reasoning you just said, but I'm not just looking at old vets. We have other logical suspects who didn't play the old game(s). Here's what I had and how it's been updated.

I've included the old vets on my original suspect list (5 names). Then I added 4 more names to the list who I felt were also advanced and, therefore, most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights. Through a process of elimination, I took off 4 of the names after that (reasons were either lack of participation or someone who I've guessed their role correctly in other games we've played).

Looking at my list today I've made more changes now that are based solely on the game underway in this thread...

I've dropped 2 names who were there before (Jpappy and Ogre) and I've added back 2 names I'd had already removed before (Coler and Dangerdoll) because of what they've posted today.

You've seen I've switched my vote from Zsand to DD already. My four suspects now are: Dangerdoll (who has my vote), Zsandman, Johnlarson, and Coler.

Is Rich on your list?

[ZSandmann]

I retract my vote for Kashta.

It was mainly a joke vote and an OMGUS for her vote on me. Truth is this Day 1 is going to be worse than most for us lowly Villagers since there are so few scum. Trains are antiproductive in my opinion, and anyone calling people out for protecting or communicating are diluting themselves. And knowing my luck I'll just end up finding a PR instead of he LV.

[Kashta]

Is Rich on your list?

No he's not. He wasn't included with the old vets and I didn't count him among the top 4 others I added. Rich is still a great player so maybe I should add him too... but I haven't so far. I don't see a reason for that yet just looking at 2 current vampires + 2 most likely recruited spots or by anything he's posted in the thread thus far.

[jpappy789]

DD you've played a vamp game before...strike that, you've played TWO (which I realized after Dawg posted the link for #36) yet you still forget how the game is run...

not only that but you used it as a reason to vote Kash, which makes no sense at all even though I do not agree with most of what Kash has been saying recently. She originally said in post #35 that she suspects Ice might have given a vet the LV role yet you said when you voted for her that there is no way Ice picked the entire team...when obviously the mod had only one role to assign.

And please explain how I am 'riding on Kash's coattails'...

[jpappy789]

Nope, that isn't the point. This isn't about my innocence or guilt. And I didn't start this to target a specific player. I'm also aware that my talking and posting a lot today might get me killed again. I know it's a risky way to play this game..... I'd be safer to just coast along and keep my mouth shut. But I still think it's important, so I'm taking that risk.

What matters more to me is to get these possibilities out there in case I don't survive the first nightfall. I'm not in a power role this time so lynching/staking me isn't a big deal. I am expendable. And you guys already know it doesn't matter to me if I get killed off.
You've made it into that.

So far you have said that since you could not play a simple doc role no way Ice would make you the LV...and since you are so lynch prone no way the LV would choose you as a turn. I'd say that would pretty much make you innocent then.

Correct me if I am wrong on any of that.

I really don't think you are the lesser vamp because of your history. But I am keeping open the possibility of you being the LV per the randomly assigned role...or handpicked...I don't know what Ice knows...he's a twisted mod.

[jpappy789]

Kash here's some posts I was referring to...


No attempt on my part to slip in anything, Ogre. Coler said he considered me a "veteran" player and you responded to that in agreement. So yes, I addressed that because you're both wrong.

(You're also both veterans who... like JohnLarson... probably aren't thrilled that I suspect all the best players this early in the game, instead of the newbies who trip themselves up making little mistakes.) So you both have some reason to discredit me on one basis or another.

Coler would also think it's fun to take some theory I came up with and throw it right back at me just to see me squirm. He'd really like that kind of irony.

I really don't think the Lead Vamp was picked at random and I don't think Ice gave such an important role to a beginner. Coler (clearly a veteran/highly skilled player) implied that my theory could be equally be applied to me. That's absurd..

If I couldn't play a very basic Doc role last time more effectively, then what would make Ice think this game wouldn't fall apart if he made me the Lead Vampire (by choosing or by random)? He'd put the whole game at risk if I messed it up and got myself killed right off the bat (again).

Furthermore, I don't think Ice has the patience to watch someone struggle with a role like that who's got themselves in over their head. From what I can tell about Ice, that would just annoy the crap out him while he mods this game.


Me?? lmao.. that's cute. No Coler.... I highly doubt Ice would hand pick me for a critical role.

For that matter... the players who know me and who've watched me play would rank me quite high on their Most Likely to Get Herself Lynched list. That's my impression of myself anyway... (so far still) based on some really stupid mistakes I've made in the last several games that put me on the hotseat or got me lynched right away.

In that last game, I had the Doc's role (assigned randomly by the mod). That turned out to be a disaster for me (and it hurt the town) because I didn't know how to approach that role yet. I couldn't figure out who to protect and I misunderstood the instructions JL sent me about investigations. I also managed to get myself lynched on Day 1.

Would you hand me a much more complex Lead Vampire role in this game? I doubt that very much. However.. I can see why you would make this suggestion. I've played 4 games (and a 1/2)... while you've been doing this for a lot longer. Game 17 happened a year and half ago. And I believe you were listed on that game's player list.

[Kashta]

Almost forgot to go back for this quote. This is something that made me suspicious about Coler and why I moved him back on my suspect list.



If I was the LV I would want either one of the best player in the game, or a complete newb who I would (try and) coach.


This last statement, I don't believe at all. When there's a whole mafia team working together, it's easy enough to coach along a newbie. There's also enough of you (say, 4-8 mafia in a game) that each of them can switch off to cover for any mistakes made by the rookie. They work together as a team and they cover for each other in the game.

If Coler is the Lead Vamp right now and he's sitting there planning this out with only one person on his side who he picked himself.... against 17 other players (which include at least 7-8 players who are as sharp at this game as he is), I don't believe he'd have time to babysit, cover, advise, or coach along newbie vampire who lacks the game experience needed to hold their own at this... as he states in this post.

What seems more plausible to me, is it's his attempt to counter my push today for us to look hard at the more advanced players. It's his way of redirecting our attention back to those who are least likely to get recruited/turned to the vampire team.

[rocker92]

i retract my vote on kash and vote to stick a stake in JPAPPY

the vote on kash was just a joke since we were all talking after the last game and we said we would vote to lynch kash the this game.

[jpappy789]

HUH?

So why the vote on me then?

[rocker92]

it was just a joke vote, not many of us were realy going to follow through with it...


and i always suspect you pappy!

[jpappy789]

Thanks, I guess...

[Dangerdoll]

DD you've played a vamp game before...strike that, you've played TWO (which I realized after Dawg posted the link for #36) yet you still forget how the game is run...

not only that but you used it as a reason to vote Kash, which makes no sense at all even though I do not agree with most of what Kash has been saying recently. She originally said in post #35 that she suspects Ice might have given a vet the LV role yet you said when you voted for her that there is no way Ice picked the entire team...when obviously the mod had only one role to assign.

And please explain how I am 'riding on Kash's coattails'...
ummm.... ok, so what Pappy. I admitted that I didn't read through the rules at least one time before... why do you feel the need to drag it on? I voted Kash because I find her most suspicious, especially now with this posting you've done in her regard, if not for her mile long posts. Ans there you have it, you are riding on her coattails by this protection of her that you seem to do... and the posts where you quoted her... doesn't change my mind... nice way to make it seem like you are not on a team... guess what though, I'm not buying it.

[jpappy789]

LOL

Me and Kash are a team...you caught us...

Your reasoning was wrong. End of story.

[Kashta]

You've made it into that.

So far you have said that since you could not play a simple doc role no way Ice would make you the LV...and since you are so lynch prone no way the LV would choose you as a turn. I'd say that would pretty much make you innocent then.

Correct me if I am wrong on any of that.


Pappy, putting this in those terms, you're right. I wouldn't consider myself a leading suspect for the LV role. I also don't imagine Ice would rank me high on his list of go-to players if this wasn't random. But it's still possble, if random, that me or you or anyone else could be.

Whether or not the LV would pick me as a turn? That may vary a lot depending on who the LV would be. Let's put it this way... if I was the LV, I wouldn't pick me as their first or second turn... and probably not as their third or fourth one either. I think he/she/they would have better targets in mind from a game strategy point of view.



I really don't think you are the lesser vamp because of your history. But I am keeping open the possibility of you being the LV per the randomly assigned role...or handpicked...I don't know what Ice knows...he's a twisted mod.

LOL.. he is twisted, you're right about that. And I'm not saying to count me out completely. I should be suspected along with everyone else. We don't know who's who and would shouldn't overlook anyone.

[Wycco]

Been waiting to vote until I see a reason to vote.


I didn't have a lot of time to read through the thread so was going by posts. I do find it interesting how quick you are to jump on a common error like that... you know, you being a newbie and all... go ahead... go ask the Lead if you should keep your mouth shut for now.

Last time someone claimed a newbie was too new to be able to notice something logical that dear lady was a mafioso.

Not much to go on but for now,

I vote to stick a stake in DangerDoll.

[noodles62]

I retract my vote for Annie and vote to stick a stake into Kashta
Yes, I know that ties it up again and I am perfectly ok with that. There is not a whole lot to go on on night one and the fact that Kashta continually brings up past games and who played what role, holds no presidence in the present game and I find it a bit distracting to the task at hand. My vote may change if I see anything that sticks out more than this.....it's all I got to go on right now....:huh:

[Coler]

Almost forgot to go back for this quote. This is something that made me suspicious about Coler and why I moved him back on my suspect list.



This last statement, I don't believe at all. When there's a whole mafia team working together, it's easy enough to coach along a newbie. There's also enough of you (say, 4-8 mafia in a game) that each of them can switch off to cover for any mistakes made by the rookie. They work together as a team and they cover for each other in the game.

If Coler is the Lead Vamp right now and he's sitting there planning this out with only one person on his side who he picked himself.... against 17 other players (which include at least 7-8 players who are as sharp at this game as he is), I don't believe he'd have time to babysit, cover, advise, or coach along newbie vampire who lacks the game experience needed to hold their own at this... as he states in this post.

What seems more plausible to me, is it's his attempt to counter my push today for us to look hard at the more advanced players. It's his way of redirecting our attention back to those who are least likely to get recruited/turned to the vampire team.

I said I would either take the best player in the game (at least in my opinion) or a newb (under the radar). This can't really be spun as an attempt to 'counter (your) push'.

If I was voting right now I would probably vote for Kashta but I'm cautious as the vote is tired and I want to consider the thread further. I had this niggling suspicion of her, and lets face it night 1 is tough. The basis of the suspicion is her defensive mode from pretty early on in the game, which really reminds me of a game I played with her as mafia (the one where she posted too early in the thread). Her responses have a similar sort of tone to me. That's about the height of it though. I will think on it further.

Kashta - if you genuinely think of me as candidate for the lynch tonight I absolutely welcome your vote on me.

[Coler]

Yes and no, Rich. I agree with the reasoning you just said, but I'm not just looking at old vets. We have other logical suspects who didn't play the old game(s). Here's what I had and how it's been updated.

I've included the old vets on my original suspect list (5 names). Then I added 4 more names to the list who I felt were also advanced and, therefore, most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights. Through a process of elimination, I took off 4 of the names after that (reasons were either lack of participation or someone who I've guessed their role correctly in other games we've played).

Looking at my list today I've made more changes now that are based solely on the game underway in this thread...

I've dropped 2 names who were there before (Jpappy and Ogre) and I've added back 2 names I'd had already removed before (Coler and Dangerdoll) because of what they've posted today.

You've seen I've switched my vote from Zsand to DD already. My four suspects now are: Dangerdoll (who has my vote), Zsandman, Johnlarson, and Coler.

You might just explain to me why a lack of participation is a reason to drop people off your list of suspects - truth be told I'm guilty of a lack of participation somewhat myself in this game.

[ZSandmann]

I vote to stick a stake in Rocker.

Call it a hunch. Over defensive of a joke vote and someone I would consider for a turn if I were the LV.

Also Mr. Munster (what was his name?) wasn't a vampire he was Frankenstein. (And that is a joke part of this vote :P)

[Dangerdoll]

Been waiting to vote until I see a reason to vote.



Last time someone claimed a newbie was too new to be able to notice something logical that dear lady was a mafioso.

Not much to go on but for now,

I vote to stick a stake in DangerDoll.
how very weak and opportunistic of you..... care to give a better reason than thwat? Surely there are oplenty of other clues being left out there....

[rich311k]

I vote to stick a stake in Rocker.

Call it a hunch. Over defensive of a joke vote and someone I would consider for a turn if I were the LV.

Also Mr. Munster (what was his name?) wasn't a vampire he was Frankenstein. (And that is a joke part of this vote :P)

Herman. I thought the same thing when I saw it.

[Wycco]

how very weak and opportunistic of you..... care to give a better reason than thwat? Surely there are oplenty of other clues being left out there....

"Weak and opportunistic?"

No reason to be defensive- it wasn't personal and I agree it's not very conclusive evidence- but I have to vote for someone and you look the most likely to me. I may yet change my vote if I see something more striking. I disagree with clues "oplenty"- it's day one.

Kash and Coler seem to be the two names I'm seeing bandied the most (with "evidence") but the case for either of them seem even weaker to me. I'm not ruling anyone out yet (except Ogre... /joke) but I'm not confident of any individual being guilty yet either.

Going on gut feeling- your defensiveness against Paper (and now from me) is the only thing semi-substantial I see. You may be innocent, but someone is guilty and I can't vote no-one...

My mind is still very open and available to be swayed.

[Kashta]

You might just explain to me why a lack of participation is a reason to drop people off your list of suspects - truth be told I'm guilty of a lack of participation somewhat myself in this game.

You went on to give the reason as it applies in your case, Coler. Participation/availability is a factor when looking for someone... "most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights."

I added you to my suspect list with the old vets I started with. I expanded that list... then took you off because your schedule and time difference interferes so often and you've dropped out or UD'd before because of it. That makes you less likely to get picked as a vampire right off the bat either by Ice or the Lead Vamp. You still could be the Lead Vamp yourself, of course, if that was done randomly. That's why I added you back as a suspect (as previously stated) because of what you've done in this game.

[paperdragon]

Going on gut feeling- your defensiveness against Paper (and now from me) is the only thing semi-substantial I see.


Ya know, I almost feel bad about voting for you. But, ya know, lead vampires have to have cool accents (meaning anything other than american or canadian), so it's gotta be either you or Coler (I am remembering right that you're not originally from the US, right?).


:D

[Wycco]

LOL... thanks... I think!

I'm English... which according to many vampire films would actually make me a good guy. (in vampire films at least- just about every other American film an Englishman is usually the bad guy)

Vampire's always have German accents (which is odd considering Transylvania is in Romania and their accent is quite different).

[paperdragon]

LOL... thanks... I think!

I'm English... which according to many vampire films would actually make me a good guy. (in vampire films at least- just about every other American film an Englishman is usually the bad guy)

Vampire's always have German accents (which is odd considering Transylvania is in Romania and their accent is quite different).

Well, we don't have anyone with German accents, or Romanian for that matter, and you did mention your family having roots in the Transylvanian nobility. Plus the only other option is Coler, and how often do you see Irish vampires?

[Coler]

"Weak and opportunistic?"

No reason to be defensive- it wasn't personal and I agree it's not very conclusive evidence- but I have to vote for someone and you look the most likely to me. I may yet change my vote if I see something more striking. I disagree with clues "oplenty"- it's day one.

Kash and Coler seem to be the two names I'm seeing bandied the most (with "evidence") but the case for either of them seem even weaker to me. I'm not ruling anyone out yet (except Ogre... /joke) but I'm not confident of any individual being guilty yet either.

Going on gut feeling- your defensiveness against Paper (and now from me) is the only thing semi-substantial I see. You may be innocent, but someone is guilty and I can't vote no-one...

My mind is still very open and available to be swayed.

Appreciating that you consider it a weak case so I'm not directing this at anyone but I would really love to see the evidence against me presented.

[jpappy789]

"Weak and opportunistic?"

No reason to be defensive- it wasn't personal and I agree it's not very conclusive evidence- but I have to vote for someone and you look the most likely to me. I may yet change my vote if I see something more striking. I disagree with clues "oplenty"- it's day one.

Kash and Coler seem to be the two names I'm seeing bandied the most (with "evidence") but the case for either of them seem even weaker to me. I'm not ruling anyone out yet (except Ogre... /joke) but I'm not confident of any individual being guilty yet either.

Going on gut feeling- your defensiveness against Paper (and now from me) is the only thing semi-substantial I see. You may be innocent, but someone is guilty and I can't vote no-one...

My mind is still very open and available to be swayed.

Should I assume that I am "Paper"?

[paperdragon]

Should I assume that I am "Paper"?

Um... What? :hitting:

[Coler]

You went on to give the reason as it applies in your case, Coler. Participation/availability is a factor when looking for someone... "most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights."

I added you to my suspect list with the old vets I started with. I expanded that list... then took you off because your schedule and time difference interferes so often and you've dropped out or UD'd before because of it. That makes you less likely to get picked as a vampire right off the bat either by Ice or the Lead Vamp. You still could be the Lead Vamp yourself, of course, if that was done randomly. That's why I added you back as a suspect (as previously stated) because of what you've done in this game.

Its just all very confused Kashta. I thought your whole premise was that Ice was at least somewhat likely to pick the lead vampire. Using this as a basis to suspect generate you'd proceed on the basis that he in fact did so. Now, lets see your thought process

Coler = vet therefore suspect
Coler = off the suspect list because time difference/potential UD makes me unlikely to get LV from Ice.
Coler = off the suspect list as turn victim for same reason as directly above
Coler added back to suspect list in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice.
Coler also added because of 'what you've done in this game'.

You might like to talk me through what I have done in this game to make me a suspect - is this the fact that I said if I was LV I would either pick the 'imo best player' or a newb under the radar as my turn which is supposed to have had the agenda according to you Kashta of distracting attention away from the veteran players, including myself ?

Hmmm...if the LV is a veteran player, whether or not Ice handpicked them (and my gut instinct is actually that it was random but that's just a hunch) I guess they would not be delighted with a focus on the perceived veterans on Day 1. They might therefore panic and send out their turn victim to bat on it. Only if they were really really worried about getting fingered though - no good veteran player would be, so early in the day when this topic came up. It would in any event seem even more unlikely/really bad play that they would themselves come out and swing at a fairly vague look at the 'veterans'.

If all that held water it would either mean :-

a) I am not LV - Kashta picks me as the one seeking to distract attention from veteran players.

b) I am not turned by LV - sending out a veteran to distract attention from veterans ? nah.

c) I am LV or turn and playing like rully badly.

I'm not concerned unduly or seeking to slam anyone's thoughts in their face - no need - but Kashta's reasoning on all of this interests me a lot. The danger is that she is just gathering heat & attracting attention (not to mention spreading it on e.g. me) but innocent, and the bad guys are cruising through the day.

[Coler]

So...8 and a half hours to nightfall...

Jpap - sort of seems to be just butting in with questions more than thoughts but that's a very glib analysis which I don't place much stock in right now.
RB - not participating one bt.
Coler - make your own mind up.
JL - I don't know
Zsand - I never know
Jm - I don't know
Annie - I don't know
Kash - becoming the focus of my attention perhaps too much, but she started it etc. etc. etc.
Ogre - I don't know
Zaffy - I don't know
Noodles - I don't know
Dawg - I don't know
Rocker - I don't know
Wycco - I don't know
DD - sorta defensive...says there are lots of clues out there...should go find some for us.
Phoenixn7g - I don't know
Lanimret - I don't know


NB there could be others with as low a post count as RB but I just particularly noted that he is lying low.

I am going to pick out the voting posts and see if there is anything in em.
Rich
Paperdragon

[Coler]

OK, we're just blathering now.

I vote to stick a stake in John. He expects it and maybe he'll show up to defend his honor...

So basically buddy/joke vote


I'm pumped that the game ended up being this format!

I vote to lynch Dangerdoll

Just because :silly:

Likewise


Love some of these.. I got some already, but one never knows how much is enough with this crowd.



Finally... a game where it's safe to admit we actually like garlic!!



Good to know our villiage has an idiot. ;) (I've often suspected as much.)

Okay, that's all fun but on with the game.... I basically suspect everyone at this point... of course. But I did look back at that previous vampire game Ice modded since he gave us the link and suggested it. I found it noteworthy to learn that he's known for hand-picking PR roles (of course that time he said it was random). Still with this in mind, I'm thinking he's chosen someone specific for the leading vamp role in this game. That person then gets to pick the second vampire..... then those two get to turn 2 more villagers into vampires over the first 2 days.

As I don't see this progression would really involve new or inexperienced players very much, I'm going to pay more attention and probably be more suspicious of the vets among us.

This is subject to change because a lot is bound to happen before nightfall, but for now...

I vote to drive a stake into Zsandman.

First person to reason a vote - too early for this, a vote, whatever about making an argument/setting out a principal she thinks may hold water. Albeit subject to change.


Just because it is not required, you can still post a vote with your first vote, which you chose not to.



I am not sure if I expected it or not, but I do appreciated it. I would not want to be forgotten. I am not too concerned about my honor, but I have showed up to kill some vampires.

Speaking of vampires, I vote to stick a stake into Kashta, as promised.

Feel free to use any of the following reasons for my vote on her -

a) she is playing differently than she has in the past.
b) she is playing the same as she has in the past.
c) something just doesn't seem right with her.
d) just a gut feeling
e) she was reading peoples profiles
f) she was reading PM's
g) she is a distration to the town
h) she is skimming
i) there is no train on her

I have thought hard about this. I am so sure that Kashta is evil that I am willing to risk a life on it, not my life, but wycco's. If Kashta is not evil, then wycco should just kill themselves. That is how sure I am of Kashta.

Take as random


I vote to stake Wycco... Just because. :p

Take as random


I vote to stick a stake in Zaffy

No particular reason but I like the first vote thing.

Take as random


i vote to stick a stake in wycco

that joke was just too bad not to get one on day one ;)

Second vote on wycco but so what...take as random


if you are going to vote please put it in BOLD


like this...I vote to stick a stake into Kash

just for the hell of it ;)

Second vote for Kashta...take as random probably.


I vote to stake Dawg.
Subject to change without notice.

I'm willing to take as random.

Darn a Villager again. :y220d:



Apart we are good players, but together we become a superplayer, kind of like Transformers with people but less flame paint job.



OMGUS WIFOM and some other acronyms
I vote to stick a stake in Kashta!

No reason other than I have to suspect someone who would vote for me so early when I am great Vamp fodder. AB+ by the way Kash if you have a taste for a certain vintage.

Third vote on Kashta. Not really serious though.



I vote to stake Zsand......

Don't care for any blood, but AB+ just really irks my sensibilities.....and stains my angel wings.

RB...saying what ? But the vote is to be taken as random I guess.


ok, didn't have much time to post up to now and wont for a little while at the very least but I did want to say who I am leaning on voting for (and going ahead with it)....

I vote to stick a stake into Kash....

I will be keeping eyes on the vets... but I really think it's kind of a foolish idea to think IOce made the entire team vets... just doesn't make sense because I would think that would be too simple for Ice to throw together... just my thoughts...

Second person really to reason a vote. Fourth vote on Kashta


Boy, oh boy, did this catch my interest. This isn't even remotely believable, DD. By all means, go ahead make your usual claims that you're oh-so-busy you don't have time to post or read or pay any attention to the game, to the posts, to the rules, or to the format that you actually know very well. We'll all just attribute this confusion to you being vague and disconnected..... like always.... when, in reality, you are nothing of sort.

You know exactly how this exact same vampire format was played before and it's real simple for you to jump right in again because the all the roles are the same as they were when you've did this before.



Exactly, Bob. DD knows this just as well as anybody else who's even glanced at the sign up thread, the first page of the game.... beginners and veterans, alike.



That's really good. Jpappy knows better. Bishop and Pappy both played this version of the game with DD before.



Yep, it sure is. DD doesn't have a clue what the basic game format is or how the mafia, erm... how the VAMPIRE team builds up from one to two to many more as this game unfolds. Even so, her bewilderment doesn't stop her from jumping in real quick to cast her vote on someone for reasons she claims that she doesn't understand and won't have time to figure out.



DD does a poor job here of explaining herself. She could have said something about all the role assignments made in this game... if she really hadn't been paying attention, that is. They're not all vampires. Only one person was given that role.

This also contradicts her statement in the first text I quoted... "to think Ice made the entire team vets" up there has now become "about the team of vampires" in this post.

Why don't you explain that again, DD? This might be interesting....... How many roles do YOU think there are? And do you think they're ALL vampires?

:rofl:

Oh... I know. DD's playing some other vampire-themed-mafia-game somewhere else and she hasn't bothered to notice that she's posting in the wrong thread. LMAO.



Absolutely right, paperdragon.



This keeps getting even better. Tearing apart the rules.. nothing. Try just reading them. Weak, filmsy attempt here DD.



LMAO. It's really very simple isn't it, paper?



I'm with this too.



I don't believe that it is and I'm not buying this load of bs DD has posted today.

I retract my vote on Zsandman and vote to stick a stake into Dangerdoll.

Immediate reaction from Kashta on getting four votes. And decides the fourth vote, DD, is scum. I think that is an unlikely or bad position for a scum to take up but never second guess bad play I guess.

The four vote haul is still not serious though.


Looking at the vote tally. I really don't want this to be a one horse race on Kash. I really think she's playing like she did last game. I'll add her to the 'hyper-aggressive" category.

Unfortunately, the only choice to even get close to Kash is DD and she's never a certain vote for me. Zaffy is another one, but he's got like what, 3 posts? (No, I haven't looked them up.)

Just to try to make it even:
I retract my vote to stake John and vote to stake Zaffy

This is really subject to change and is really based on nothing but trying to make it even.

Reasoned vote...putting up another candidate....basing it on how many votes that one has so as to run somebody against Kash.

Remember there can be no real train tonight - two scum votes only.

I don't like this post by Ogre partly for that reason.


I retract my vote for Kashta.

It was mainly a joke vote and an OMGUS for her vote on me. Truth is this Day 1 is going to be worse than most for us lowly Villagers since there are so few scum. Trains are antiproductive in my opinion, and anyone calling people out for protecting or communicating are diluting themselves. And knowing my luck I'll just end up finding a PR instead of he LV.

Reasonably worded retraction - the ZS Kashta vote was indeed looking random/jokey/whatever


i retract my vote on kash and vote to stick a stake in JPAPPY

the vote on kash was just a joke since we were all talking after the last game and we said we would vote to lynch kash the this game.

Rocker follows suit - can't see why he doesn't just retract and instead lobs a vote on pappy.


Been waiting to vote until I see a reason to vote.



Last time someone claimed a newbie was too new to be able to notice something logical that dear lady was a mafioso.

Not much to go on but for now,

I vote to stick a stake in DangerDoll.

Genuinely not much of a reason especially if you were waiting for one to vote.


I retract my vote for Annie and vote to stick a stake into Kashta
Yes, I know that ties it up again and I am perfectly ok with that. There is not a whole lot to go on on night one and the fact that Kashta continually brings up past games and who played what role, holds no presidence in the present game and I find it a bit distracting to the task at hand. My vote may change if I see anything that sticks out more than this.....it's all I got to go on right now....:huh:

Not really a very well argued vote to be honest. Seems almost disappointed that votes are coming off kashta.


I vote to stick a stake in Rocker.

Call it a hunch. Over defensive of a joke vote and someone I would consider for a turn if I were the LV.

Also Mr. Munster (what was his name?) wasn't a vampire he was Frankenstein. (And that is a joke part of this vote :P)

Light on content.

Those are sort of some of the things I am thinking. That and that Zaffy stayed very cool & collected when picking up a couple of votes.

[johnlarson66]

Coler's vampire avatar is freaking me out - I have never seen a vampire that pale. :lipssealedsmilie:

I have done my best to get caught up on the thread as I was away from the computer all day yesterday.

I see where Kash cleared up what she had stated. When she stated "that" she was referencing a quote from jpappy who was trying to explain what Ogre meant. The way it was written, to me, made it appear she as saying Ogre said something he didn't say. It is odd that Ogre didn't come and try to explain what he was saying also, but jpap did.

My top three are Kash, Ogre, and Jpap. Just the way they are interacting has me concerned. I could see any of them turning the other.

As far as who I would turn if I was the LV, it is hard to say. I would find players that communicate often and that are willing to work together. My top three picks for turning in this game would be dawg, rich and rocker. I would most likely want to turn DD and Kash, because they are fun to talk to and each have a bit of an evil streak. Also, if I was the LV, I would be voting for my turn. If my turn was staked, then I would turn others that voted for the player I had turned.

If I was turned, I would take direction from the LV.

[Wycco]

Pappy,

Nope: Paper isn't you.

Paper = PaperDragon

[ZSandmann]

lol Pappy you crack me up

[Wycco]

Those are sort of some of the things I am thinking. That and that Zaffy stayed very cool & collected when picking up a couple of votes.

I don't think that that necessarily means anything. Zaffy did last game too.

When I grow up I want to be Zaffy! ;)

[jpappy789]

:rofl:

Forgot there was a paper this game

[Zaffy]

I don't think that that necessarily means anything. Zaffy did last game too.

When I grow up I want to be Zaffy! ;)

Eat your veggies and listen to your mom! In the last game I reacted more than this one, but I think it was for a statistically justifiable reason then. I can understand Ogres want to make it a 3-horse race, I'd rather I wasn't a horse of course. Because no one can talk to a horse of course, unless of course the name of the horse... Sorry for that tangent.

Anyway, now to meaningful content.

I think it's impossible to know who the LV is at this point, but I think there are several players who would make great teammates for the LV. That's where I'm going to put my vote.

and finally....

Vote Tally

0 JL - Ogre(24)

3 DD - Jpap(29) Kash(112) Wycco(155)

1 Zsand - Kash(35) RB(75)

3 Kash - JL(37) Rocker(60) Zsand(72) DD(99) Noodles(156)

2 Jpap - Zaffy(42) Rocker(148)

3 Zaffy - Lani(47) Rich(51) Ogre(139)

2 Wycco - PD(50)Jm(54)

1 Dawg - Annie(66)

0 Annie - Noods(71)

1 Rocker - Zsand (159)

No votes:Coler,Dawg,Phoenix

[Wycco]

Y'know... thinking about the name... Paper Dragon doesn't "Dracula" translate as meaning Dragon.

Hmmmmmmmmmm... interesting... ;)

[jpappy789]

Hmmmm...in Romanian it does...

[paperdragon]

Y'know... thinking about the name... Paper Dragon doesn't "Dracula" translate as meaning Dragon.

Hmmmmmmmmmm... interesting... ;)

I just looked it up. It's actually "son of the dragon", and I know I ain't Vlad Dracula's mom. :silly:

[Zaffy]

Y'know... thinking about the name... Paper Dragon doesn't "Dracula" translate as meaning Dragon.

Hmmmmmmmmmm... interesting... ;)

Strictly speaking, Dracula actually would translate as "Son of the Dragon." Vlad the imalers father was Known as Vlad Dracul or "the Dragon."

[dirtydawg10]

I vote to stick a stake in Noods

I think Noods would make a great LV and/or turn candidate that is why my vote is with her. She also seems to be taking it easy with her posting this time around and I think that points to her being the LV or turn.

I'm not seeing the Kash thing. She does seem to be trying a bit too hard but IMO she is smart enough that if she were the LV and had only 1 teammate at this point she wouldn't be drawing so much attention to herself. I can see a better case for DD at this point...but again I have a feeling about Noods.

[OgreMkV]

1) Wycco: please don't do that!

2) Has Zaffy even posted since he got several votes.

3) John: to be honest, I really haven't followed the Kash thing (and I, ahem, skim her posts mostly). She goofed up or someone didn't follow what she said or whatever.

4) Coler: Why don't you like my reasoning behind my vote. I seriously doubt that Kash is a vamp. Do you really think one of the two vamps out there at this point would be this obvious? The only thing that I could see would be if someone randomlly voted for the LV and Kash jumped up to make a fuss and distract everyone for that. But I really don't see that happening, unless we have Kash as a turn and a newbie LV.

Guys, I'll say this again, I think I've said it almost every game I've played in the last year. "The Big Fight" on day one is almost always two innocents who jump on each other for something misquoted or misunderstood. Usually it's me and Ice, or me and Coler, or me and Mad.

I think that the LV is laughing his/her tail off right now watching this going on and not having to say a blasted thing to get everyone either on Coler's side or on Kash's side. Personally, I don't think anyone pushing this hard on day one is a bad guy.

At this point, I'm betting that the LV is someone who is very quietly watching and just making the occasional comment and the random, day 1 vote. Someone like Wycco or rocker... or those who are really silent, RB, JM, Lamerint, etc.

So, I'm actually pretty happy with my current vote.

[Zaffy]

1) Wycco: please don't do that!

2) Has Zaffy even posted since he got several votes.

3) John: to be honest, I really haven't followed the Kash thing (and I, ahem, skim her posts mostly). She goofed up or someone didn't follow what she said or whatever.

4) Coler: Why don't you like my reasoning behind my vote. I seriously doubt that Kash is a vamp. Do you really think one of the two vamps out there at this point would be this obvious? The only thing that I could see would be if someone randomlly voted for the LV and Kash jumped up to make a fuss and distract everyone for that. But I really don't see that happening, unless we have Kash as a turn and a newbie LV.

Guys, I'll say this again, I think I've said it almost every game I've played in the last year. "The Big Fight" on day one is almost always two innocents who jump on each other for something misquoted or misunderstood. Usually it's me and Ice, or me and Coler, or me and Mad.

I think that the LV is laughing his/her tail off right now watching this going on and not having to say a blasted thing to get everyone either on Coler's side or on Kash's side. Personally, I don't think anyone pushing this hard on day one is a bad guy.

At this point, I'm betting that the LV is someone who is very quietly watching and just making the occasional comment and the random, day 1 vote. Someone like Wycco or rocker... or those who are really silent, RB, JM, Lamerint, etc.

So, I'm actually pretty happy with my current vote.

Is there any context to your list?

[OgreMkV]

Well, you made two posts while I was typing mine up.

Otherwise, it's just in reference to comments the listed people made.

[dirtydawg10]

1) Wycco: please don't do that!

2) Has Zaffy even posted since he got several votes.

3) John: to be honest, I really haven't followed the Kash thing (and I, ahem, skim her posts mostly). She goofed up or someone didn't follow what she said or whatever.

4) Coler: Why don't you like my reasoning behind my vote. I seriously doubt that Kash is a vamp. Do you really think one of the two vamps out there at this point would be this obvious? The only thing that I could see would be if someone randomlly voted for the LV and Kash jumped up to make a fuss and distract everyone for that. But I really don't see that happening, unless we have Kash as a turn and a newbie LV.

Guys, I'll say this again, I think I've said it almost every game I've played in the last year. "The Big Fight" on day one is almost always two innocents who jump on each other for something misquoted or misunderstood. Usually it's me and Ice, or me and Coler, or me and Mad.

I think that the LV is laughing his/her tail off right now watching this going on and not having to say a blasted thing to get everyone either on Coler's side or on Kash's side. Personally, I don't think anyone pushing this hard on day one is a bad guy.

At this point, I'm betting that the LV is someone who is very quietly watching and just making the occasional comment and the random, day 1 vote. Someone like Wycco or rocker... or those who are really silent, RB, JM, Lamerint, etc.

So, I'm actually pretty happy with my current vote.

I am in agreement with most of this. However...even if the LV was one of the top vote getters in the day 1 lynching how does protesting and calling attention to yourself work to save you. It would be a much better strategy to use the LV's capability to switch roles with one of the turns to keep the LV alive. Just a thought.

[dirtydawg10]

I was meaning to show that the best course of action for the LV at this point is shutting up...and why I have a hard time believing it is Kash.

[Zaffy]

I was meaning to show that the best course of action for the LV at this point is shutting up...and why I have a hard time believing it is Kash.

I agree 100%


Well, you made two posts while I was typing mine up.

Otherwise, it's just in reference to comments the listed people made.


What should Wycco not be doing? Is he not getting your pms?

[OgreMkV]

"Weak and opportunistic?"

No reason to be defensive- it wasn't personal and I agree it's not very conclusive evidence- but I have to vote for someone and you look the most likely to me. I may yet change my vote if I see something more striking. I disagree with clues "oplenty"- it's day one.

Kash and Coler seem to be the two names I'm seeing bandied the most (with "evidence") but the case for either of them seem even weaker to me. I'm not ruling anyone out yet (except Ogre... /joke) but I'm not confident of any individual being guilty yet either.

Going on gut feeling- your defensiveness against Paper (and now from me) is the only thing semi-substantial I see. You may be innocent, but someone is guilty and I can't vote no-one...

My mind is still very open and available to be swayed.

quote in red. I know it's a joke, but see what it's started?

[jpappy789]

1) Wycco: please don't do that!

2) Has Zaffy even posted since he got several votes.

3) John: to be honest, I really haven't followed the Kash thing (and I, ahem, skim her posts mostly). She goofed up or someone didn't follow what she said or whatever.

4) Coler: Why don't you like my reasoning behind my vote. I seriously doubt that Kash is a vamp. Do you really think one of the two vamps out there at this point would be this obvious? The only thing that I could see would be if someone randomlly voted for the LV and Kash jumped up to make a fuss and distract everyone for that. But I really don't see that happening, unless we have Kash as a turn and a newbie LV.

Guys, I'll say this again, I think I've said it almost every game I've played in the last year. "The Big Fight" on day one is almost always two innocents who jump on each other for something misquoted or misunderstood. Usually it's me and Ice, or me and Coler, or me and Mad.

I think that the LV is laughing his/her tail off right now watching this going on and not having to say a blasted thing to get everyone either on Coler's side or on Kash's side. Personally, I don't think anyone pushing this hard on day one is a bad guy.

At this point, I'm betting that the LV is someone who is very quietly watching and just making the occasional comment and the random, day 1 vote. Someone like Wycco or rocker... or those who are really silent, RB, JM, Lamerint, etc.

So, I'm actually pretty happy with my current vote.

Ogre, I'm confused because I don't see any hint of this being a Kash vs. Coler day...most, if not all of the bickering is jsut between the two of them...why are you making this so dramatic?

[jm1212]

I vote to stick a stake in Noods

I think Noods would make a great LV and/or turn candidate that is why my vote is with her. She also seems to be taking it easy with her posting this time around and I think that points to her being the LV or turn.

I'm not seeing the Kash thing. She does seem to be trying a bit too hard but IMO she is smart enough that if she were the LV and had only 1 teammate at this point she wouldn't be drawing so much attention to herself. I can see a better case for DD at this point...but again I have a feeling about Noods.
i think its this right here that is going to get us in trouble for the first few nights. thinking someone "would make a great LV" is more than likely going to get us into trouble.

[OgreMkV]

OK, so maybe it was kind of dramatic, but that's what it is. Two people who are both probably innocent 'bickering' and letting the vamps have a free ride.

There's a chance that one of them is a vamp, yes, I'm not saying to ignore them or not think them suspicious. Just as far as it goes back, this kind of 'bickering' on day 1 is between two innocents who both want to find the bad guy.

[jpappy789]

I do agree that most of the time big day one fights are between innocents...heck, 9 times out of 10 when me and DD fight we are both innocent. And usually it is over the same things...misquotes and mistunderstandings. I think it's worth a day 1 vote but I could see that changing by tomorrow. I'd rather not leave my vote to be completely random.

[jm1212]

OK, so maybe it was kind of dramatic, but that's what it is. Two people who are both probably innocent 'bickering' and letting the vamps have a free ride.

There's a chance that one of them is a vamp, yes, I'm not saying to ignore them or not think them suspicious. Just as far as it goes back, this kind of 'bickering' on day 1 is between two innocents who both want to find the bad guy.
i can see this happening. it is only day 1 and there is only one vampire other than the LV. the bickering going on may or may not be distracting us from the real vampires.

[Kashta]

Long post from Coler so I'll split it up to respond.



Its just all very confused Kashta. I thought your whole premise was that Ice was at least somewhat likely to pick the lead vampire. Using this as a basis to suspect generate you'd proceed on the basis that he in fact did so. Now, lets see your thought process

My thinking that Ice was likely to hand-pick the Lead Vamp role was sort of a starting point... yes. I wouldn't make it my "whole premise" though because he might not have done it that way and went random instead. Either way, yes I do lean vets as more likely to be suspicious, as a given, in this game.... all else being equal.



Coler = vet therefore suspect
Coler = off the suspect list because time difference/potential UD makes me unlikely to get LV from Ice.
Coler = off the suspect list as turn victim for same reason as directly above
Coler added back to suspect list in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice.
Coler also added because of 'what you've done in this game'.

That's about right. I'll paste this part in again with clarification.

1. Coler = vet therefore suspect Yes.

2. Coler = off the suspect list because time difference/potential UD makes me unlikely to get LV from Ice. Yes.

3. Coler = off the suspect list as turn victim for same reason as directly above Yes, but not entirely accurate, technically... I'm using one suspect list for both, not keeping two separate lists. Essentially the same thing... we just don't have turn-victim/vamps yet.

4. Coler added back to suspect list in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice. No. This wasn't a separate step by itself. (see #5)

5. Coler also added because of 'what you've done in this game'. --and-- in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice. Both #4 and #5 together.

I'm not just blindly suspecting vets to the exclusion of everything else. Who I suspect most at any time and where my vote goes is a combination of factors.. mostly depends on what happens in the game.


You might like to talk me through what I have done in this game to make me a suspect - is this the fact that I said if I was LV I would either pick the 'imo best player' or a newb under the radar as my turn which is supposed to have had the agenda according to you Kashta of distracting attention away from the veteran players, including myself ?

Yes, I didn't believe the statement. So that combined with your previous posts beforehand is the reason I'm suspecting you. For the rest of the prior stuff, it was the following posts too. (See below.)

After reading what I'd said about suspecting vets/top players over the others... you were quick to turn that around on me and confuse the issue. That's what you did here.


Kashta you would pretty much count as a veteran anyway.

We've got players in this game who've been in probably 30-40 of the 54 mafia games that have been run. You trying to equate me (with my 4 games) at the same experience level as the real veterans among us made me suspicious. Why would someone do that? So I wondered.

In your next post you went on to cast suspicion on me with this.


You are very defensive. And btw I was in game 1.

That isn't the case. If anything, I've been aggressive or distracting (maybe even annoying)... depending on how this gets perceived by different people. That's just how this game is when someone's vocal or active.

Given the trend you seemed to show already, plus the fact that I thought you picking a newbie as a #2 vampire over someone who wouldn't need so much assistance... that's what put you back on my list of suspects.



Hmmm...if the LV is a veteran player, whether or not Ice handpicked them (and my gut instinct is actually that it was random but that's just a hunch) I guess they would not be delighted with a focus on the perceived veterans on Day 1. They might therefore panic and send out their turn victim to bat on it. Only if they were really really worried about getting fingered though - no good veteran player would be, so early in the day when this topic came up. It would in any event seem even more unlikely/really bad play that they would themselves come out and swing at a fairly vague look at the 'veterans'.

Exactly right.. this part in red. I was looking for some reaction as well to what I was saying. I believe that's what happened with DD and that's why I'm voting her for it.


If all that held water it would either mean :-

a) I am not LV - Kashta picks me as the one seeking to distract attention from veteran players.

b) I am not turned by LV - sending out a veteran to distract attention from veterans ? nah.

c) I am LV or turn and playing like rully badly.

I'm not concerned unduly or seeking to slam anyone's thoughts in their face - no need - but Kashta's reasoning on all of this interests me a lot. The danger is that she is just gathering heat & attracting attention (not to mention spreading it on e.g. me) but innocent, and the bad guys are cruising through the day.

We'll see how it plays out Coler. You're just on my suspect list... and it seems reasonable to me to keep you there for all the reasons we've been over.

For now, I see DD as most suspicious because of her game play and she fits very well as a possible vampire in either the Lead Vamp or as the secondary.

[johnlarson66]

From what I have gathered, Kash thinks, based on Ice's hand picking roles or randomly picking roles and the fact that Coler is a veteran player that Coler could be a vampire or could be innocent.

Does this sum up these long day one posts?

[Zaffy]

From what I have gathered, Kash thinks, based on Ice's hand picking roles or randomly picking roles and the fact that Coler is a veteran player that Coler could be a vampire or could be innocent.

Does this sum up these long day one posts?

Astonishing, Mr. Holmes.

[Kashta]

From what I have gathered, Kash thinks, based on Ice's hand picking roles or randomly picking roles and the fact that Coler is a veteran player that Coler could be a vampire or could be innocent.

Does this sum up these long day one posts?

Yes John. Coler was picking apart my thought process and trying to decide if I'm suspicious or not. The fact is from my standpoint, he's just one of several names on my suspect list. I'm not even voting him. I'm also not expecting others to vote him. My vote and my top suspect is still DD.

[dirtydawg10]

From what I have gathered, Kash thinks, based on Ice's hand picking roles or randomly picking roles and the fact that Coler is a veteran player that Coler could be a vampire or could be innocent.

Does this sum up these long day one posts?

:rofl:

Yes that about sums it up.

[dirtydawg10]

i think its this right here that is going to get us in trouble for the first few nights. thinking someone "would make a great LV" is more than likely going to get us into trouble.

If you read my post again that's not the only reason I'm voting for her. She is the most suspicious to me right now. And if she comes up as a vamp you will be next on my list. This is not the first time someone has said someone would make a great LV and/or turn yet you chose to call it out when a vote was placed on Noods. Very interesting IMO.

[IceH2O]

0 JL - Ogre(24)

3 DD - Jpap(29) Kash(112) Wycco(155)

1 Zsand - Kash(35) RB(75)

3 Kash - JL(37) Rocker(60) Zsand(72) DD(99) Noodles(156)

2 Jpap - Zaffy(42) Rocker(148)

3 Zaffy - Lani(47) Rich(51) Ogre(139)

2 Wycco - PD(50)Jm(54)

1 Dawg - Annie(66)

0 Annie - Noods(71)

1 Rocker - Zsand (159)

1 Noods- Dawg(183)

No votes (danger of UD): Coler ,Phoenix

Nightfall in 4 + hrs. PMs as required

[Kashta]

Phoenix looks likely to UD on us.

[jm1212]

From what I have gathered, Kash thinks, based on Ice's hand picking roles or randomly picking roles and the fact that Coler is a veteran player that Coler could be a vampire or could be innocent.

Does this sum up these long day one posts?
so Coler may, or he may not. ice may have, or he may have not.

this whole time she was talking in circles trying to justify claims, and she herself doesnt even really know what is going on?

[Kashta]

so Coler may, or he may not. ice may have, or he may have not.

this whole time she was talking in circles trying to justify claims, and she herself doesnt even really know what is going on?

That's the strangest post I've ever seen from you.

Coler's on my suspect list. Don't assume Ice made random assignments. And DD has my vote. This isn't that hard to follow.

If you're more certain about everything, you tell us then who the 1st and 2nd vampires are.

[Rbishop]

So...8 and a half hours to nightfall...

Jpap - sort of seems to be just butting in with questions more than thoughts but that's a very glib analysis which I don't place much stock in right now.
RB - not participating one bt.
Coler - make your own mind up.
JL - I don't know
Zsand - I never know
Jm - I don't know
Annie - I don't know
Kash - becoming the focus of my attention perhaps too much, but she started it etc. etc. etc.
Ogre - I don't know
Zaffy - I don't know
Noodles - I don't know
Dawg - I don't know
Rocker - I don't know
Wycco - I don't know
DD - sorta defensive...says there are lots of clues out there...should go find some for us.
Phoenixn7g - I don't know
Lanimret - I don't know


NB there could be others with as low a post count as RB but I just particularly noted that he is lying low.

I am going to pick out the voting posts and see if there is anything in em.
Rich
Paperdragon

Not lying low..just extremely bored with the Kash?Coler/Wycco crap.

[noodles62]

I vote to stick a stake in Noods

I think Noods would make a great LV and/or turn candidate that is why my vote is with her. She also seems to be taking it easy with her posting this time around and I think that points to her being the LV or turn.

I'm not seeing the Kash thing. She does seem to be trying a bit too hard but IMO she is smart enough that if she were the LV and had only 1 teammate at this point she wouldn't be drawing so much attention to herself. I can see a better case for DD at this point...but again I have a feeling about Noods.

Yea! A vote for me. I was beginning to feel neglected around here. I just got home from a very long day at work and tried to catch up quickly. Our internet at work went down right before lunchtime so I did not get my usual play time at lunch or in slack times throughout the day. Dawg, you saying that my slack in posts is an indicator of me being scum is ridiculous! You have played enough games with me, to know that my posting quantity is not effected by the role I have. I have played quite a few games with a scum role and have been the lead poster. This is a far stretch to find a reason to vote for me. But I can live with it.

I am beginning to second guess my vote on Kashta, but not sure where I want it yet.... her posts still bother me but I am not sure that is an indicator of her role, merely that her long posts bother me. (no offense Kash)

need to read over a bit more and see if I can come up with where my vote should be.....

[Kashta]

I am beginning to second guess my vote on Kashta, but not sure where I want it yet.... her posts still bother me but I am not sure that is an indicator of her role, merely that her long posts bother me. (no offense Kash)

No offense taken, Noods. Your short, frequent posts bother me sometimes too. lol.

[jpappy789]

So basically nothing's happened since my last post.

I wonder who Coler will vote for, if at all...is he going to put the nail in the coffin (pun intended) on Kash? The only other people I can see he might vote for, based on his list, are DD or me.

[Rbishop]

In all honesty....i am worrying about Coler..he seems to have been bitten by the "Kash-itis" bug....extremely long repetitive post that doesn't mean crap on a worse than a stab in the dark night one....

Right now...they are both on my favorites list...and no..you don't get to see it yet...

[jpappy789]

In all honesty....i am worrying about Coler..he seems to have been bitten by the "Kash-itis" bug....extremely long repetitive post that doesn't mean crap on a worse than a stab in the dark night one....

Right now...they are both on my favorites list...and no..you don't get to see it yet...

Darn...

[rich311k]

Wow all that posting and really do see anything that makes me think a vote change is in order. A very typical first day. I guess we shall see how it goes down until nightfall.

[dirtydawg10]

Yea! A vote for me. I was beginning to feel neglected around here. I just got home from a very long day at work and tried to catch up quickly. Our internet at work went down right before lunchtime so I did not get my usual play time at lunch or in slack times throughout the day. Dawg, you saying that my slack in posts is an indicator of me being scum is ridiculous! You have played enough games with me, to know that my posting quantity is not effected by the role I have. I have played quite a few games with a scum role and have been the lead poster. This is a far stretch to find a reason to vote for me. But I can live with it.

I am beginning to second guess my vote on Kashta, but not sure where I want it yet.... her posts still bother me but I am not sure that is an indicator of her role, merely that her long posts bother me. (no offense Kash)

need to read over a bit more and see if I can come up with where my vote should be.....

You're welcome Noods. I'm not only voting you for your low post count but that is part of it. Of your 12 posts thus far here's what you have...

8 nothing posts...


This should be fun! :woot:


Question Mod - Are Phoenixn7g and Lanimret aliases or new players? Did not see them in the sign up thread.....just curious.


aaahh, now I recognize you. Thanks.


I will buy one, peddler....



I love garlic; **** the bad breathe!


LOL Thanks! No fizzles here. :p:


I.....must.....refrain.....:lipssealedsmilie:


If you whisper that Irish accent into my ear, you can bite my neck anytime! :naughty:

*ahem* I mean death to all vampires...:o


:rofl: Too funny JL!

Your first real post is a random vote post...


I vote to stick a stake into Annie; just a fairly random vote at this point, altho she (?) again seems to be just popping in to make a vote and that is all the contribution we get. This vote is subject to change as the day progresses.

Two posts talking about Kash and why she is evil and a vote switch...


I only have a few minutes as I have company but I really do not like the Kashta is pushing the "ice hand picked the LV role"; I myself have been selected as a Don in a much earlier game and I doubt that experience or charactor plays a role in the selection. To continue to push the idea and not look for other avenues to find the lead vamp is useless and distracting.
JMO. more later when I have more time....


I retract my vote for Annie and vote to stick a stake into Kashta
Yes, I know that ties it up again and I am perfectly ok with that. There is not a whole lot to go on on night one and the fact that Kashta continually brings up past games and who played what role, holds no presidence in the present game and I find it a bit distracting to the task at hand. My vote may change if I see anything that sticks out more than this.....it's all I got to go on right now....:huh:

Then your last post (the top quote) which questions your own vote on Kash. Only 4 posts relating to the game and you are almost on to your 3rd vote suspect. Not very Nood-like if you ask me. That's why you are getting my vote.

[johnlarson66]

I have been thinking about this game format.

This format is all about the LV. If the LV is killed the game is over. The LV builds a team that they think will help keep them alive.

I am also not sure if the innocents have ever won a vampire format game. Maybe Kash can research that for us.

I am not real sure what Kash's thoughts really are about the LV. She has made a point to point out that Ice could have hand picked the roles, but is this what she thinks.

So Kash, do you think Ice hand picked the LV or was it random? I really only care what Kash says, since it was her posts about this that got my attention, but if others want to chime in feel free. Also my vote is on Kash and I might want to switch. I wonder why Coler hasn't voted...

I think it was random.

[noodles62]

Well, ok Dawg. Ya got me. First day and I do not have a strong suspect list. *gasp*
I think my vote will stay on Kashta. Of course I have no way to know if she is indeed part of the two man team or not but her posts have peaked my interest the most. (I often doubt my judgement, Dawg) I still think she pushed her thoughts just a bit too much, and made such a big deal out of whether the LV role was random or hand picked........I for one, have no plan to even attempt to get inside Ice's head and for the record, I think it was a random selection.

[Dangerdoll]

Yes and no, Rich. I agree with the reasoning you just said, but I'm not just looking at old vets. We have other logical suspects who didn't play the old game(s). Here's what I had and how it's been updated.

I've included the old vets on my original suspect list (5 names). Then I added 4 more names to the list who I felt were also advanced and, therefore, most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights. Through a process of elimination, I took off 4 of the names after that (reasons were either lack of participation or someone who I've guessed their role correctly in other games we've played).

Looking at my list today I've made more changes now that are based solely on the game underway in this thread...

I've dropped 2 names who were there before (Jpappy and Ogre) and I've added back 2 names I'd had already removed before (Coler and Dangerdoll) because of what they've posted today.

You've seen I've switched my vote from Zsand to DD already. My four suspects now are: Dangerdoll (who has my vote), Zsandman, Johnlarson, and Coler.


Yes John. Coler was picking apart my thought process and trying to decide if I'm suspicious or not. The fact is from my standpoint, he's just one of several names on my suspect list. I'm not even voting him. I'm also not expecting others to vote him. My vote and my top suspect is still DD.


That's the strangest post I've ever seen from you.

Coler's on my suspect list. Don't assume Ice made random assignments. And DD has my vote. This isn't that hard to follow.

If you're more certain about everything, you tell us then who the 1st and 2nd vampires are.
I dunno Kash... I dunno if it's because it's me who you voted for that I can see this but it looks like your continuous repeating of "your vote being on me" is somewhat telling me that you are trying to form a train on me by pounding it into people's heads. So tell me, what exactly is my game play like that bothers you so much? or wait, was it because of a "hand-pick" thing from Ice (which I find ridiculous, I highly doubt I would be Ice's first choice or even 2nd for the matter).... or wait is it because I didn't read the rules or I should have recalled out of 50+ mafia games, the 2 or 3 that were vampire games... you know, being I'm a genious and all...

[Coler]

Bah D1 is what it is.

Hunch....I vote to lynch John Larsson

[Kashta]

I have been thinking about this game format.

This format is all about the LV. If the LV is killed the game is over. The LV builds a team that they think will help keep them alive.

I am also not sure if the innocents have ever won a vampire format game. Maybe Kash can research that for us.

I am not real sure what Kash's thoughts really are about the LV. She has made a point to point out that Ice could have hand picked the roles, but is this what she thinks.

So Kash, do you think Ice hand picked the LV or was it random? I really only care what Kash says, since it was her posts about this that got my attention, but if others want to chime in feel free. Also my vote is on Kash and I might want to switch. I wonder why Coler hasn't voted...

I think it was random.

In this game, yes. I think he did pick the LV role. The first few games I played, I assumed mods didn't do that. That they were all supposed to be randomly assigned and there'd be some agreed upon understanding that it's a hands-off thing except where a "blue mist" device gets written into the rules.

In some vamp game before #17 Ice picked the LV role. He left it random then in game 17. You described the LV player as being experienced or competent.. something like that. So the random thing worked out fine. Had that role popped up randomly onto a newbie... I imagine Ice would have swapped out that role for someone else.

Now that I know Ice does pick and choose sometimes, it makes sense for him to select someone specific for that role. The mafia games stopped for a long time and so many of those old vets don't play now. Ice (and many other players) miss those good old days.

Ice got killed off the last game and joined us at the "dead innocents" board. Even there, he reminisced about those fun games/players from the past. He also asked us if we could have an all star mafia team, which players would we choose? You and Zsand participated in that conversation as well. I didn't because I don't even know the old vets who used to play. My frame of reference doesn't go that deep.

Ice's reference just a few days earlier to making an all-star mafia team is the reason I questioned Ogre for more info when he posted what he said about some other mafia "dream team" game that was played.

When Ice signed up shortly after to mod this game, he dug up this old format and got it going. Maybe it presumes too much for me to speculate what might be going on in Ice's head... but for him to choose one person to be the Lead Vampire here and make everything else random doesn't seem like a bad idea from a game mod's position.

[Kashta]

I dunno Kash... I dunno if it's because it's me who you voted for that I can see this but it looks like your continuous repeating of "your vote being on me" is somewhat telling me that you are trying to form a train on me by pounding it into people's heads. So tell me, what exactly is my game play like that bothers you so much? or wait, was it because of a "hand-pick" thing from Ice (which I find ridiculous, I highly doubt I would be Ice's first choice or even 2nd for the matter).... or wait is it because I didn't read the rules or I should have recalled out of 50+ mafia games, the 2 or 3 that were vampire games... you know, being I'm a genious and all...

I voted for you for claiming you didn't understand this game format when it's not only a classic that you've played at least twice before (that we know of) and then you basically stumbled again trying to explain it away in the responses you posted. You've been in every game I've played and I've never seen you do something like that before.

If anyone here understands the basic setup of a "team building" format vs. the usual mafia elimination format.... IMO that would be you. Given your experience level in these 50+ games, there's no question in my mind that you're more than up for the role whether Ice made you the Lead Vampire by choice or at random.

The fact that your vote was on me at the time wasn't the deciding factor in my mind. But when you threw an OMGUS at me for voting you was (again IMO) a very weak defensive position for you to take.

[IceH2O]

1 JL - Ogre(24) Coler(217)

3 DD - Jpap(29) Kash(112) Wycco(155)

1 Zsand - Kash(35) RB(75)

3 Kash - JL(37) Rocker(60) Zsand(72) DD(99) Noodles(156)

2 Jpap - Zaffy(42) Rocker(148)

3 Zaffy - Lani(47) Rich(51) Ogre(139)

2 Wycco - PD(50)Jm(54)

1 Dawg - Annie(66)

0 Annie - Noods(71)

1 Rocker - Zsand (159)

1 Noods- Dawg(183)

No votes (danger of UD): Phoenix


Night Fall in 10 mins+/_

[noodles62]

wow. A 3 way tie... this should be interesting.

[Zaffy]

wow. A 3 way tie... this should be interesting.

I think so too, but seeing as I have the power to take myself out of the running at this point, I feel that I must.

I retract my vote to lynch Jpappy and vote to lynch Dangerdoll.

As chosen by a fair coin toss.

[IceH2O]

IT IS NIGHT

[ZSandmann]

Oh Zaffy that doesn't bode well for you with the late switch

[IceH2O]

As Zaffy,DD and Kashta are led to Bala one decides to speak up.

Zaffy proclaims DD a vampire and the crowd hoists her high upon Balas pedestal.

Bala looks down on DD with a look of disgust.

[IceH2O]

Bala lifts DD high unto the sky and sticks her with his newly silver tipped tail.












DD dies












a Villager

[IceH2O]

The vampires take wing in search of their next victim. High above they circle......

Their victim in sight they swoop in and lay a perfect bite, they now number 3.

[IceH2O]

Phoenix scared by all the talk of vampires and an allergy to garlic decides its better to disappear then become a living dead person. The taste of blood doesn't suit her anyway.

Phoenix was a villager

[IceH2O]

Game on

Next Night Fall Wed 9 PM EST

[noodles62]

Bad form Zaffy. Bad form....I vote to stick a stake into Zaffy

This vote may change but I plan on looking hard and long at Zaffy.

[Zaffy]

Oh Zaffy that doesn't bode well for you with the late switch

I totally agree, but when faced with the choice between a 33% chance of being killed, and a 0% chance. I think any reasonable person would do the same.

[dirtydawg10]

OK...that wasn't a good nightfall. We lost 3 villagers tonight.

[noodles62]

This was a really sucky nightfall. I gotta go. Hopefully I will have internet at work tomorrow.

[jm1212]

Zaffy, this isnt looking good for you.

[ZSandmann]

I vote to stake Zaffy as well. I understand you didn't want to die, but a three way tie tells the Town a bit more I believe than railing an unknown. I'm not sure this vote will stick but I want you to think about the ramifications of a late save like that without giving everyone time to expound upon it.

[jm1212]

still though, i think it was a contest between three innocents

[Dangerdoll]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/179412.jpg

[Zaffy]

I vote to stake Zaffy as well. I understand you didn't want to die, but a three way tie tells the Town a bit more I believe than railing an unknown. I'm not sure this vote will stick but I want you to think about the ramifications of a late save like that without giving everyone time to expound upon it.

How does Bala going to a random number generator tell us more? Please explain that.

[paperdragon]

That certainly didn't go well.

[lanimret]

God I hope Zaffy is a vampire or I feel like a total Jerk!

If he is, I will have a hearty laugh at his expense.

[OgreMkV]

I guess it's obvious that Zaffy saved his own arse that time.

The ones I find more interesting are COler, RB, Zsand, Annie, and Dawg as they all voted singleton... especially Coler and Dawg who voted pretty late in the day.

[Kashta]

I totally agree, but when faced with the choice between a 33% chance of being killed, and a 0% chance. I think any reasonable person would do the same.

Not an innocent one, Zaffy. With votes on each other, DD and I were both in the same position you were. Either her or I could have done what you did at the last minute to save ourselves.


How does Bala going to a random number generator tell us more? Please explain that.

It's real simple, dude... you flinched.

I vote to stick a stake into Zaffy.

[ZSandmann]

How does Bala going to a random number generator tell us more? Please explain that.

1.) Ice may not use a random number generator.
2.) Vote changes show motive and connection.
3.) Your late save only tells us you wanted to save your own buns.
4.) With so few vamps, they will probably fight pretty hard to save theirselves.


I guess it's obvious that Zaffy saved his own arse that time.

The ones I find more interesting are COler, RB, Zsand, Annie, and Dawg as they all voted singleton... especially Coler and Dawg who voted pretty late in the day.

I didn't like any of the candidates in the majority for vamps up until Zaffy's move so I put my vote I someone I had some suspicion of and left the others to the wolves.

[Zaffy]

Not an innocent one, Zaffy. With votes on each other, DD and I were both in the same position you were. Either her or I could have done what you did at the last minute to save ourselves.



It's real simple, dude... you flinched.

I vote to stick a stake into Zaffy.

Rather, an innocent person should certainly change the vote to have a 100% chance to save someone they know to be innocent.

I didn't think either you or DD were vampires. But, knowing 100% that I am not, I would have to do what is best for the village to save a villager. I think the vampires are keeping their mouths shut, and enjoying every second of this.

[Zaffy]

1.) Ice may not use a random number generator.
2.) Vote changes show motive and connection.
3.) Your late save only tells us you wanted to save your own buns.
4.) With so few vamps, they will probably fight pretty hard to save theirselves.



I didn't like any of the candidates in the majority for vamps up until Zaffy's move so I put my vote I someone I had some suspicion of and left the others to the wolves.

Your list only shows what we've learned by me saving myself. Which I would do again.
1) We don't know his method, he's not sharing. We have no way to tell if he is using random or choosing. Thus it's a moot point.

2) I think motive is pretty clear, I saved my own hind-end.
3) See #2,
4) They sure would, unless all 3 names were innocents, then they could sit back and watch us tear ourselves apart.


I asked you to show me how sending 3 names to Bala tells the town anything more than sending 1 name. You've failed to do that. So I ask again. Explain to us how sending 3 names to be chosen from tells the town more than someone saving himself?

[jpappy789]

Well I was wrong on DD. I sort of half-expected that because of our history.

On Zaffy, I dunno....

Right now I find it more interesting that Coler voted late on a singleton for no reason other than a hunch rather than seal the deal on someone (notabley Kash) who seemed to be at least a "suspect" on his list.

Rich did the exact same thing last game and I called him out for it...ironically it was also about Kash. No matter how weak a case he saw he did not want to commit. I think Coler was worried about looking bad.

I vote to stick a stake in Coler

for now.

[johnlarson66]

I think so too, but seeing as I have the power to take myself out of the running at this point, I feel that I must.

I retract my vote to lynch Jpappy and vote to lynch Dangerdoll.

As chosen by a fair coin toss.

I am okay with giving Zaffy a break on this and don't like all the people jumping on Zaffy about them saving their own neck. I sure wish the coin toss went the other way.

I have been evil with DD and even communicating innocent with her and most of the times she skims the rules worse than me.

Now if Kash comes up as a vamp, then I will be all over Zaffy.

I vote to stick a steak into Kashta

[rich311k]

Well I was wrong on DD. I sort of half-expected that because of our history.

On Zaffy, I dunno....

Right now I find it more interesting that Coler voted late on a singleton for no reason other than a hunch rather than seal the deal on someone (notabley Kash) who seemed to be at least a "suspect" on his list.

Rich did the exact same thing last game and I called him out for it...ironically it was also about Kash. No matter how weak a case he saw he did not want to commit. I think Coler was worried about looking bad.

I vote to stick a stake in Coler

for now.

I was actually the first vote and did not change to take out my suspect but same idea.

I do not see Zaffy except as a Scent of a Women moral issue kind of thing. Not sure what to think right now.

[OgreMkV]

1.) Ice may not use a random number generator.
2.) Vote changes show motive and connection.
3.) Your late save only tells us you wanted to save your own buns.
4.) With so few vamps, they will probably fight pretty hard to save theirselves.


I didn't like any of the candidates in the majority for vamps up until Zaffy's move so I put my vote I someone I had some suspicion of and left the others to the wolves.

My comments about the singletons were more about people to really look out for today. They hid in plain sight.

One thing, this also really doesn't help Kash's case either. If Zaffy turns (get it, turns?) out to be a vamp, then it won't look very good for Kash either. He could easily have been protecting Kash... though I still don't see her as the LV. The LV doesn't need to fight that hard on day one... She was awfully specific about how poor a PR she was too.

Right now, I've Coler and Dawg at the top of my list.

[jpappy789]

I am okay with giving Zaffy a break on this and don't like all the people jumping on Zaffy about them saving their own neck. I sure wish the coin toss went the other way.

I have been evil with DD and even communicating innocent with her and most of the times she skims the rules worse than me.

Now if Kash comes up as a vamp, then I will be all over Zaffy.

I vote to stick a steak into Kashta
:duh: