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My boyfriend Jose and I went to a big box LFS and I was horrified to find out that the fish were not being taken care
of at all. There was nobody watching them or even by the tanks who works there. There
were at least 8 dead fish (maybe more) in a 5 gallon tank. All the dead fish were stuck to
the filter. There was at least 1 dead fish in each tank. I was so disgusted by this I wrote an e-mail to WSPA.
I'm hoping that you will help me figure out a way to save these fish and help ban them,
considering they don't take care of them. Dead fish in a tank causes ammonia and great stress
to fish. The water was filthy and full of dead and sick fish. Putting a fish from a tank that
has dead or sick fish to another tank will cause other fish illness or even death.
They even had bettas, which are not hard to take care of... but some were dead in
their little cups. It had looked like they had been there for days, just rotting.
They should not be able to sell these poor creatures. They don't have anyone
experienced with fish, if somebody wanted one they would just get who ever is around.
Think about a kid getting a fish from there then finding it dead the next morning just
because it came from a tank with dead and sick fish. It's sad and rediculous.
These species need help. I need help.. It angered me so much, I didn't even want to
want to be in there anymore.
jpappy789
08-17-2009, 1:23 AM
Sadly, it happens in a lot of their stores (mine included)...it also takes away from the few that are under good supervision.
My local big box are removing their tanks, so keep writing letters and filing complaints and hopefully they'll remove those tanks as well.
Lycanthropic
08-17-2009, 1:50 AM
Mine allready removed its tanks... but they are thinking of bringing them back... if so, I demand I work in that section... and that section only.... Ill probably save a bunch of cupped bettas while im at it....
Yea.. We're going to keep complaining. It's horrible. I can't stand it. I really hope they will remove them because they shouldn't have fish if they can't even take care of them. It made me so angry to see it......
Are there any fish protective angencies or services??
Lycanthropic
08-17-2009, 2:12 AM
sorry but there isnt really, unless its an endangered species.
you cant do much about it. cheap company who has no reguard for life really
rcb031
08-17-2009, 2:37 AM
all in my area are getting rid of the tanks because no one knows what they are doing
Rbishop
08-17-2009, 4:00 AM
Many big box pet stores, or even stores that sell other things than pets have issues. Please refrain from naming the stores specifically..thanks!
E's_Crab_Shack
08-17-2009, 11:47 AM
See it all the time at my local one. Thats kinda why I stopped going there, pretty depressing. Thats why I go out of my way a little to the lfs
why cant we say the store name
petluvr
08-17-2009, 1:05 PM
Lible issues with naming names. Not ALL of these stores are bad and by saying they ALL are then it could result in a legal issue for AC and Li. We all pretty much know by now that these stores tanks are usually awful so my advice would be to just not go near that section when you are doing your shopping.
Reefscape
08-17-2009, 1:14 PM
:popcorn:
That's stupid. It's all true and I think that we should all be able to save these fish.
petluvr
08-17-2009, 1:24 PM
It may be true about certain stores however I have seen stores that keep their tanks better than many LFS I also have seen the other end of the spectrum but legally you can't say every store is a certain way because in reality they aren't.
MotionInSilver
08-17-2009, 1:26 PM
Lible issues with naming names. Not ALL of these stores are bad and by saying they ALL are then it could result in a legal issue for AC and Li. We all pretty much know by now that these stores tanks are usually awful so my advice would be to just not go near that section when you are doing your shopping.
curious why its a liability issue when its clearly the user/member stating their opinions,
what happened to freedom of speech though I don't think AC should be held responsible for what their member has stated about the store- as it's an opinion forum in the first place as this site is riddled with opinions. Then we gotta censor the heck out of everything?
I understand illegal activities are not condoned, but what happened to opinions and freedom of speech though.
curious why its a liability issue when its clearly the user/member stating their opinions,
what happened to freedom of speech though I don't think AC should be held responsible for what their member has stated about the store- as it's an opinion forum in the first place as this site is riddled with opinions. Then we gotta censor the heck out of everything?
I understand illegal activities are not condoned, but what happened to opinions and freedom of speech though.
Yea seriously. Thanks.
It may be true about certain stores however I have seen stores that keep their tanks better than many LFS I also have seen the other end of the spectrum but legally you can't say every store is a certain way because in reality they aren't.
We wont name it anymore but we weren't referring to all of the stores, just the one we go to. AC should not be held responsible, especially if what we are saying is a 100% true. We have proof.
petluvr
08-17-2009, 1:48 PM
Yea seriously. Thanks.
Freedom of speech I agree with however it is still illegal to write (libel) or defame (speak) things about a peron(s) that may be damaging to their character. Back to the topic. Until the attitude of "it's just a fish" is changed unfortunately this will probably continue.
jpappy789
08-17-2009, 2:03 PM
Ever since I have been a member AC has always condoned speaking out against specific stores or chains onsite. Rather than risk a legal issue, might as well keep is anonymous.
Star_Rider
08-17-2009, 2:26 PM
why cant we say the store name
lol
A global Moderator asked you not to...nuff said ;)
if you have any real questions regarding this you can take it up with a Mod. we will be happy to point you in the right direction. (or give you our whys/why not's.)
Reefscape
08-17-2009, 2:55 PM
curious why its a liability issue when its clearly the user/member stating their opinions,
what happened to freedom of speech though I don't think AC should be held responsible for what their member has stated about the store- as it's an opinion forum in the first place as this site is riddled with opinions. Then we gotta censor the heck out of everything?
I understand illegal activities are not condoned, but what happened to opinions and freedom of speech though.
This is not a public forum, its a registration member based forum ( remember, you signed up? ) hence its down to the members and staff to respect what the administration request..So, yes, you could say freedom of speech is limited, but thats soley to protect the site administration who "owns" the forum....
Store bashing is not allowed, as its not the members who bear the brunt of anything when the store itself comes on to the forum and lodges a complaint, which has happened in the past. This action is what lead to Aquariacentral.com not allowing store bashing..
If you have the "proof" you say, then take it up with the store directly or the respective animal welfare groups, and not use Aquariacentral.com as a means to bash the stores name and reputation.
Lets leave this aspect of this topic now, and keep to the topic at hand.
Thanks in advance.
sumthin fishy
08-17-2009, 2:57 PM
There will always be these kinds of posts, stores that do not know how to take care of fish. Posting here will do little to help the fish. If you had billions of dollars to buy all the fish to "save" them, the store would buy more and do the same thing. The only way to help would be to write a government office and ask for action. IF enough people do, something might happen. Then people would have to buy at LFS shops, and prices would rise due to lack of compitition. Then those who get fish at boxstoreWorldofCheapfIsh would not seek help on the forums, etcetera etcetera. BEtter to write the store, ask for a manager or get a job there to help out. You have to realise that some fish will die in the trades.
As for legality, there is no law against saying anything here, buit that does not mean what you say does not carry a penalty. I could say I am going to do X to Y person and be arrested for a threat. Technically the courts oppinion as of now holds the poster, and not the forum or it's owner liable, but the law is fluid, and I would hate to see AC be the new example.
excuzzzeme
08-17-2009, 5:03 PM
As for legality, there is no law against saying anything here, buit that does not mean what you say does not carry a penalty. I could say I am going to do X to Y person and be arrested for a threat. Technically the courts oppinion as of now holds the poster, and not the forum or it's owner liable, but the law is fluid, and I would hate to see AC be the new example.
No Names will be used - end of story.
As for your thoughts on freedom of speech, that holds in some countries but not all. There are certain liberties a privately owned forum does not have to grant you. You either accept the rules or you go elsewhere unfortunately. The site owner/owners try to keep as few rules as possible and allow as much freedom as they can but sometimes other rules have to apply for the benefit of all.
Going back a couple of years there was a aquarium site that got bashed on a forum. The store sued on basis of defamation (libel) and for lost business. They were awarded a couple of million dollars in damages and the site was forced to close down.
We share your concerns and are as angry at the offending stores as anyone else might be. Just keep the name out as most of us know well enough when you say Box Store, Corporate Store, or any other euphemism, that way we can continue our small community with no problems...
(It would set fish-keeping back years if this site closed down.)
sumthin fishy
08-17-2009, 8:13 PM
(It would set fish-keeping back years if this site closed down.)
LMAO!!!
Understatement of the year award :)