TAKE THE VOW WITH ME...

[sushiray]

Facing up 2reality 2day this Tuesday the 15th of September in the year 2009 - thinking I cannot keep cheating life forever!


I HAVE VOWED 2STOP [TEXTING EMAILING TALKING ON MY CELL WHILE DRIVING, RUNNING STOP SIGNS & RED LIGHTS & NEVER DRINK-n-DRIVE or DRUGS-N-DRIVE.

That UK PSA showing gals texting ending up in nasty smash up & also reading/hearing so many crash-n-kill news AS WELL AS SOME VERY CLOSE CALLS FOR ME!! :22_yikes:

(most recent 3generations of women run stop sign smashed by another car with right of way all die in verbank-ny & of course the infamous early morning wrong way taconic pkwy drunken mother tragedy), et al, etc. etc. etc. :shakehead:

How many instances/incidents have you seen in recent times or in your lifetime & think to one self - that will never happen to me - can't happen to me - I am a safe & cautious driver & I only do it when there's no traffic & I only do it when I'm alone w/o the family/kids & I only .,.,., BANG! CRASH! CRUNCH!) Whoops! too late!

This is just one video - I'm sure we all can find more tragic videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0LCmStIw9E

CAN'T SAY "WOULDA SHOULDA COULDA" ONCE IT HAPPENS TO YOU!

IT'S NEVER TOO LATE!

no matter how old or young you are, no matter how good a safe driver you are, no matter how short a distance you're going...

TAKE THE SAME VOW WITH ME!

& as in life there are only 3 things that are certain to be forever true - MUST PAY TAXES, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY & THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE TRAGIC DEATHS WHILE DRIVING!

SAVE A LIFE! IT COULD BE YOUR OWN, YOUR SPOUSE, YOUR PARENTS, YOUR KIDS, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS!

I'm 50+ & guilty of all counts (except never did drugs at all) but I realize I want to live (or not be seriously injured & disabled) to see my kids have kids & have their kids have kids. & I want my kids & my wife to live to see the same also!!

HOW ABOUT YOU?!

;) :idea:

[montanafish gal]

I have always thought it very foolish to talk or text on a cell phone while driving. In fact, I wish they would make it illegal with a first time fine of taking your license away for 6 months, second offense, for a lifetime. I have 3 small children and would never take their lives into harms way by doing something so dangerous and whenever I see another driver who shares the road messing with the cell phone, it makes me angry. I have almost been hit a couple of times by such people.

Drinking and driving is THE STUPIDIST THING a person can do. The law is far too lenient on this. FIRST OFFENSE NO LICENSE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE and JAIL TIME. There is no one single person out there who is not educated on the dangers of this issue therefore there is absolutely no excuse for doing it.

Sure, I'll take that vow with you. Glad to. I hope others will too and stick to that vow.

[Sammysaddiction]

In regards to texting in driving here is something stupid, the YORK PA public transportation bus (Rabbit) has just got rid of their radio system to replace it with a texting system!!! Now if theres an issue that the drivers need to radio for they instead TEXT it while DRIVING!!!

I thought texting while driving was illegal but I guess not. How confusing!

[sushiray]

yep, agree with you both. (& I am surely guilty & foolish to have done so myself!)

what does make sense to save on lives, debilitating injuries, medical & emergency costs, loss of work, accidents & repairs & insurance costs - our lawmakers don't feel it necessary to address these issues. & yet more people do it, more get seriously hurt, more will die.

& it's not you who may be the safest driver around, it's the other drivers we must watch out for!!

[Cheech]

yep, I think a lot of it has to do with common sense. While the province (Quebec) made it illegal to talk and text on your phone, it's still not illegal to change songs on your mp3 player, fool around with the GPS while driving, reading the paper while driving, eating while driving, etc etc etc etc...

People need to realize that they're handling big machines that need concentration, and it should be common sense not to do stupid things when you should be concentrating on the road.

[sushiray]

yep, I think a lot of it has to do with common sense. While the province (Quebec) made it illegal to talk and text on your phone, it's still not illegal to change songs on your mp3 player, fool around with the GPS while driving, reading the paper while driving, eating while driving, etc etc etc etc...

People need to realize that they're handling big machines that need concentration, and it should be common sense not to do stupid things when you should be concentrating on the road.

so true so true! lord knows I am guilty of that. I use to shave in the car with my electric shaver, eat big macs or breakfast, constantly chg stations/cd player, etc. I am guilty but have learn my lessons!

[E's_Crab_Shack]

I understand the text and driving but why would you run stop lights and drink and drive?

[petluvr]

I have always thought it very foolish to talk or text on a cell phone while driving. In fact, I wish they would make it illegal with a first time fine of taking your license away for 6 months, second offense, for a lifetime. I have 3 small children and would never take their lives into harms way by doing something so dangerous and whenever I see another driver who shares the road messing with the cell phone, it makes me angry. I have almost been hit a couple of times by such people.

Drinking and driving is THE STUPIDIST THING a person can do. The law is far too lenient on this. FIRST OFFENSE NO LICENSE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE and JAIL TIME. There is no one single person out there who is not educated on the dangers of this issue therefore there is absolutely no excuse for doing it.

Sure, I'll take that vow with you. Glad to. I hope others will too and stick to that vow.
Just so you know I have been convicted of D.U.I. three times in the last 15 years with the last being in 2003. I spent a total of 5 years in prison and have been without a license since 1997, so the fact that you say the law is too lenient is out the window with me. Before anyone can even hope to stop the problem of texting and driving the people who are supppose to be enforcing the no texting while driving law, yes it is law in Va., should stop texting and driving. Just in case anyone was wondering I haven't taken a drink since 2003 so yes I have learned my lesson, the hard way, but lesson learned.

[montanafish gal]

[QUOTE=petluvr;2118554]Just so you know I have been convicted of D.U.I. three times in the last 15 years with the last being in 2003. I spent a total of 5 years in prison and have been without a license since 1997, so the fact that you say the law is too lenient is out the window with me. Before anyone can even hope to stop the problem of texting and driving the people who are supppose to be enforcing the no texting while driving law, yes it is law in Va., should stop texting and driving. Just in case anyone was wondering I haven't taken a drink since 2003 so yes I have learned my lesson, the hard way, but lesson learned.[/QUOTE

I'm sorry if this offends, but the law is too lenient. There should have never been an opportunity for the second or third drunk driving and conviction. How many people have received that second or third opportunity and as a result, drove drunk and injured or killed innocent people.
Petlvr, I am very happy that you have been sober for 6 years; I think that is a wonderful accomplishment and you should be very proud of yourself. It is just impossible for me to look at the precious innocent faces of my babies and think that their lives could be taken away in an instant because someone chose to drive drunk. I have absolutely zero tolerance for the act.

[FISHSHROD]

I don't know what all the talk is about, maybe it's really that important , but here in south Florida I swear to Chryst every other car on the road is someone on a got deam phone ???????
I have never been on a phone while driving, I don't own a cell phone :)
Red light runners and stop sign runners ??? LO FREEKIN L, it doesn't matter what intersection I come to I will see someone break the law. It used to be if it's a yellow light you are supposed to try and stop for the oncoming red light . I thought it was right on red after stop , NOT right on red is yield on red and there is no stopping required , just cruise on through!!!!!!!!!! Now it's more like I don't give a freek even if it's red "I'm in to much of a hurry and I'm not going to get caught anyway because that cop over there is on his cell phone anyway and wont bother with me for running the light "(YES , I HAVE SEEN THIS)
I must be old school but I come to a complete stop and then turn. If the light goes yellow I will stop in time if possible instead of gassing it and know it 's gonna be red before I get through. It's a friggin free for all out there and everyone wants to be a part of it :(

Sorry, I may not have spelled it out very well , you know I was ready to rant about this subject :swear:

[petluvr]

[QUOTE=petluvr;2118554]Just so you know I have been convicted of D.U.I. three times in the last 15 years with the last being in 2003. I spent a total of 5 years in prison and have been without a license since 1997, so the fact that you say the law is too lenient is out the window with me. Before anyone can even hope to stop the problem of texting and driving the people who are supppose to be enforcing the no texting while driving law, yes it is law in Va., should stop texting and driving. Just in case anyone was wondering I haven't taken a drink since 2003 so yes I have learned my lesson, the hard way, but lesson learned.[/QUOTE


I'm sorry if this offends, but the law is too lenient. There should have never been an opportunity for the second or third drunk driving and conviction. How many people have received that second or third opportunity and as a result, drove drunk and injured or killed innocent people.
Petlvr, I am very happy that you have been sober for 6 years; I think that is a wonderful accomplishment and you should be very proud of yourself. It is just impossible for me to look at the precious innocent faces of my babies and think that their lives could be taken away in an instant because someone chose to drive drunk. I have absolutely zero tolerance for the act.
I understand your concern however the first D.U.I. I will admit I was drunk the second and third however I was simply sitting behind the wheel of a car that was not running and had not been driving, just the fact that I was behind the wheel of a car was enough in the state of Virginia. Maybe the laws are too lenient where you are but in Va. they are STRICT. I also while in jail seen people who came in with molestation charges or major drug charges and were released due to overpopulation of the prison system while I sat there. Now i may be wrong but I would think that molestation is a little more serious of a crime than DUI. Please don't get me wrong I am not condoning drunk driving I just feel as though the answer is not to simply lock-em-up, our prison systems are needed for much worse offenses.

[S&T]

funny this should come up, a 17 yr old girl was rear ended by a drunk driver here only 2 days ago. Her car burst into flames and killed her.
In a place where we experience community loss due to far too many deaths in foreign countries, a local teens death due to an irresponsible careless person is one that could have been easily avoided. And pain the family didnt need..
The laws are not too lenient. The community as a whole is.

[sushiray]

I understand the text and driving but why would you run stop lights and drink and drive?

why do a lot of drivers run it? cuz we think we can make it faster to where we're going, going no where fast.

I don't drink n drive tho. I did it once when I was 17 & scared the living crappola out of me that back then had already vowed to never do it again.

so it was just added to the vow.

[sushiray]

Just so you know I have been convicted of D.U.I. three times in the last 15 years with the last being in 2003. I spent a total of 5 years in prison and have been without a license since 1997, so the fact that you say the law is too lenient is out the window with me. Before anyone can even hope to stop the problem of texting and driving the people who are supppose to be enforcing the no texting while driving law, yes it is law in Va., should stop texting and driving. Just in case anyone was wondering I haven't taken a drink since 2003 so yes I have learned my lesson, the hard way, but lesson learned.

glad you're alive to tell your story! stay sober our friend! you have lived to see better days & live on to see more!

[sushiray]

I don't know what all the talk is about, maybe it's really that important , but here in south Florida I swear to Chryst every other car on the road is someone on a got deam phone ???????
I have never been on a phone while driving, I don't own a cell phone :)
Red light runners and stop sign runners ??? LO FREEKIN L, it doesn't matter what intersection I come to I will see someone break the law. It used to be if it's a yellow light you are supposed to try and stop for the oncoming red light . I thought it was right on red after stop , NOT right on red is yield on red and there is no stopping required , just cruise on through!!!!!!!!!! Now it's more like I don't give a freek even if it's red "I'm in to much of a hurry and I'm not going to get caught anyway because that cop over there is on his cell phone anyway and wont bother with me for running the light "(YES , I HAVE SEEN THIS)
I must be old school but I come to a complete stop and then turn. If the light goes yellow I will stop in time if possible instead of gassing it and know it 's gonna be red before I get through. It's a friggin free for all out there and everyone wants to be a part of it :(

Sorry, I may not have spelled it out very well , you know I was ready to rant about this subject :swear:

that's cool - better to express one self - don't we call it 'sharing'?!

well, red lights no more for me, got caught on camera & tkt just came in the mail! sucker I am!

[sushiray]

[QUOTE=montanafish gal;2118566]
I understand your concern however the first D.U.I. I will admit I was drunk the second and third however I was simply sitting behind the wheel of a car that was not running and had not been driving, just the fact that I was behind the wheel of a car was enough in the state of Virginia. Maybe the laws are too lenient where you are but in Va. they are STRICT. I also while in jail seen people who came in with molestation charges or major drug charges and were released due to overpopulation of the prison system while I sat there. Now i may be wrong but I would think that molestation is a little more serious of a crime than DUI. Please don't get me wrong I am not condoning drunk driving I just feel as though the answer is not to simply lock-em-up, our prison systems are needed for much worse offenses.

so true! so true! many will agree with you!

[sushiray]

funny this should come up, a 17 yr old girl was rear ended by a drunk driver here only 2 days ago. Her car burst into flames and killed her.
In a place where we experience community loss due to far too many deaths in foreign countries, a local teens death due to an irresponsible careless person is one that could have been easily avoided. And pain the family didnt need..
The laws are not too lenient. The community as a whole is.

and sad it is! so here's another to add fuel to the fire. I say young drivers shouldn't get their license till they are 21. so should they not be drinking, smoking, having sex, right to vote, right to fight for our country, etc. I say pass the 21 only law!

yes I was under 21 once & seeing the behaviour of so many my friends & not so friends were - make 21 the limit for adult hood.

[S&T]

and sad it is! so here's another to add fuel to the fire. I say young drivers shouldn't get their license till they are 21. so should they not be drinking, smoking, having sex, right to vote, right to fight for our country, etc. I say pass the 21 only law!

yes I was under 21 once & seeing the behaviour of so many my friends & not so friends were - make 21 the limit for adult hood.



The young driver wasnt the problem, she was coming to a stop for a stop sign (go figure). The drunk driver hit her and hit her so hard, as I said, her car burst into flames and that is what killed her. The young lady who was killed was an employee at a local grocery store where she was said to have been a great kid. (read "obviously more responsible than the adult who killer her")
Preventing her from driving may have saved her life, but if she had been walking or biking instead of driving, she may have still been killed by the drunk driver. Or maybe he/she would have hit someone with even smaller kids in the car.

[Cheech]

You think you guys have lenient laws on DUI's, chech out this winner, and how the law worked in his favor.

it took 19 convictions for drinking and driving... 19 !!! And the last one finally led to someone getting killed. The way I see it, it was only a matter of time, and had they locked him up earlier, a life would have been saved.

People screw up, it's normal, and they deserve a second, 3d, 4th, heck, 5th chance... but 19 times?

he's now serving a life sentence. They wanted to label him a dangerous offender, (which would have been the first time in Canada that someone be labeled a dangerous offender for killing someone due to drinking and driving), but the judge decided against it.

Here's the story for whoever is interested:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090909/drunk_driver_090909/20090909?hub=TopStories

[petluvr]

I agree Cheech 19 times is a bit to much, but like you said people do screw up, it's in our nature, and I don't think that locking someone away or branding them a bad person for their mess up's after the first time for something like a D.U.I. is necessarily the right thing to do.

[jpappy789]

and sad it is! so here's another to add fuel to the fire. I say young drivers shouldn't get their license till they are 21. so should they not be drinking, smoking, having sex, right to vote, right to fight for our country, etc. I say pass the 21 only law!

yes I was under 21 once & seeing the behaviour of so many my friends & not so friends were - make 21 the limit for adult hood.
Do wanna pay then when they have to increase taxes to provide busing for all the kids who would normally drive to school? Maybe its just my hometown but buses were packed to begin with even when the majority of upperclassmen (and some with older siblings) were driving or carpooling to school. Not to mention the people who depend on having cars to get home from after school activities, to a job, etc. You cannot put their entire load on the parents/guardians either. It would be a logistical nightmare.

And I'm not sure why you would want anyone snooping into your private life by putting a legal limit on what age people can have consensual sex. I understand laws regarding adults and minors, ect. but thats way too much government intervention. By then, I believe you should know well enough what is acceptable in your own mind to do with your body. Who wants someone spying on what they do in the bedroom? Seriously.

As for voting age, I'm not sure what the justification is for that. Plenty of 18, 19, and 20 year olds have enough common sense to be able to pick a candidate who they feel, for whatever reasons, is fit to govern them best.

Whether you condone the behavior or not, its not right to limit what people can and cannot do based on a select few who make bad decisions with drastic consequences.

[S&T]

Do wanna pay then when they have to increase taxes to provide busing for all the kids who would normally drive to school? Maybe its just my hometown but buses were packed to begin with even when the majority of upperclassmen (and some with older siblings) were driving or carpooling to school. Not to mention the people who depend on having cars to get home from after school activities, to a job, etc. You cannot put their entire load on the parents/guardians either. It would be a logistical nightmare.

And I'm not sure why you would want anyone snooping into your private life by putting a legal limit on what age people can have consensual sex. I understand laws regarding adults and minors, ect. but thats way too much government intervention. By then, I believe you should know well enough what is acceptable in your own mind to do with your body. Who wants someone spying on what they do in the bedroom? Seriously.

As for voting age, I'm not sure what the justification is for that. Plenty of 18, 19, and 20 year olds have enough common sense to be able to pick a candidate who they feel, for whatever reasons, is fit to govern them best.

Whether you condone the behavior or not, its not right to limit what people can and cannot do based on a select few who make bad decisions with drastic consequences.


And it seems that the ones doing harm have already reached the so called age of maturity (ie legally purchasing alcohol). There is no way to put an age limit on responsibility. I have seen 12yr old kids more responsible than some 40yr old people.

[S&T]

You think you guys have lenient laws on DUI's, chech out this winner, and how the law worked in his favor.

it took 19 convictions for drinking and driving... 19 !!! And the last one finally led to someone getting killed. The way I see it, it was only a matter of time, and had they locked him up earlier, a life would have been saved.

People screw up, it's normal, and they deserve a second, 3d, 4th, heck, 5th chance... but 19 times?

he's now serving a life sentence. They wanted to label him a dangerous offender, (which would have been the first time in Canada that someone be labeled a dangerous offender for killing someone due to drinking and driving), but the judge decided against it.

Here's the story for whoever is interested:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090909/drunk_driver_090909/20090909?hub=TopStories


read that one and heard about it on the news. That one absolutely should have been branded as a dangerous offender!! Not on the 19th conviction as he had to kill someone before he was stopped. Apparently, he didnt learn a lesson the first time as he should have. Sad isnt it?

[Star_Rider]

this is really about distracted driving.
whether a cell phone, texting, DUI, reading etc.
I have seen it too many times.

I use to drive 100 mi round trip every weekday. during rush hour.

I also spent 2 years driving patrol as a Police Officer.

I cannot tell you how many times I have had to work a scene where an auto accident victims were sent to hospitals (even kids) due to one form of distraction..the major one DUI/DWI.
these laws are lenient.. but it's more about the choices the drunk driver makes..they take their drivers license away.. they still drive.. a poor choice? probably.

I wonder.. if you got in trouble on the second offense behind the wheel...why did you do it for the third offense? btw I'm not picking on anyone here.. I just want to point out the choices made.
they can be affected by the alcohol.



the latest laws are directed to the newest distraction. cell phones/pda's etc.

me, I don't dive if I have had any drinks with alcohol. I do not text and I don't use a cell phone unless I pull off the road.

I don't change radio stations either.

oh, most of the miles I rode a motorcycle...I drive defensively.

[Coler]

I just can't believe anyone would text/email while driving - good call.

[jpappy789]

I will make/take calls on the road but its never more than a minute. Yeah, I know all it takes is a little distraction at an instant to cause problems but generally its urgent...I hate people who drive and chit-chat.

I've tried texting and driving and will never do it again. Not only is it darn near impossible to do, it's very distracting.

[S&T]

As I have to answer my cell a good portion of the time, I spend a lot of time on the side of the road rather than driving with it.
A simple "hang on a sec I have to pull over" works well, and if not? they have to suck it up and wait. lol

[jm1212]

taking your license away for 6 months because you are talking on the phone is a little extreme to me. no, i would never text or talk on the phone and drive, but thats just to extreme for me. that equates to suspending your license for six months for running a red light and then forever if you ever do it again.

if you move to say that you should be punished for texting or talking on the phone even if the vehicle is stopped, then that will end up as a complete disaster. then, by going along the lines of the DUI law, even having a cell phone in the car equates intent and then people can be forbidden from the legal privilege to drive. that's just ridiculous IMO.

texting and driving needs to stop. it will be illegal in IL starting Jan. 1st punishable by a fine i believe, and i think that will be enough to stop people for texting while the vehicle is moving.

in reference to the DUI thing...i think people need to realize that even if that little piece of plastic is taken away, people will still drive. that little piece of plastic doesnt mean anything until you get pulled over or if you need ID.

if we do end up totally outlawing texting and talking on the phone while driving, then i think we should get rid of everything else that causes distractions as well. obviously, we will have to outlaw navigation systems and cameras that allow you to see behind the vehicle while backing up. anything that has to do with music, radio, etc. should be next to go, so count on one quite ride. all air conditioning systems and heating systems should be taken out as well, since people often change those around while driving. maybe even power windows and the glove box. tilt and telescoping steering columns and adjustable seats should go after them too. cupholders as well. kids can be pretty distracting too, but thats another issue...no more DVD systems for sure though.

in short, we should all drive metal boxes with plastic chairs bolted to the floor and a metal rod sticking out of the floor with a wheel attached for steering and nothing else.

i in no way mean to make fun of the whole texting/talking on the phone while driving, but i think we need to be careful what we start outlawing and labeling as distractions.

[jm1212]

and sad it is! so here's another to add fuel to the fire. I say young drivers shouldn't get their license till they are 21. so should they not be drinking, smoking, having sex, right to vote, right to fight for our country, etc. I say pass the 21 only law!

yes I was under 21 once & seeing the behaviour of so many my friends & not so friends were - make 21 the limit for adult hood.
sorry, but that would be a huge travesty in itself. by your logic, teenagers shouldnt be able to get jobs at all. no college until 21 either, since many teens need to apply for loans and support their college careers when they are 18 since their parents can't afford to. besides the fact that every single form and such will likely have to be shipped across the country for their parents to sign.

so maybe, under your legislation, kids will be able to get jobs. do YOU want to be the person that drives all of your kids around to their jobs from when they are 16 to when they are 21? didnt think so. and, in a family of five or six, it is completely impractical.

[jpappy789]

sorry, but that would be a huge travesty in itself. by your logic, teenagers shouldnt be able to get jobs at all. no college until 21 either, since many teens need to apply for loans and support their college careers when they are 18 since their parents can't afford to. besides the fact that every single form and such will likely have to be shipped across the country for their parents to sign.

so maybe, under your legislation, kids will be able to get jobs. do YOU want to be the person that drives all of your kids around to their jobs from when they are 16 to when they are 21? didnt think so. and, in a family of five or six, it is completely impractical.
agreed.

[sushiray]

well the pass the 21 law spurred some thinking!

[sushiray]

still walking the dog par normal. still bagging. still carrying it back to my house if no bins are out (but now will only deposit nite b-4 pick up).

[jpappy789]

well the pass the 21 law spurred some thinking!
Even though it would never work...

still walking the dog par normal. still bagging. still carrying it back to my house if no bins are out (but now will only deposit nite b-4 pick up).
I think you posted in the wrong thread...

[theredchaser]

Its supposedly illegal to text/talk on a cellphone here in California without a headset, but I see drivers everyday doing the same 'ol thing before the law was passed. The punishment is way too minimal for drivers and police officers to care it seems. However, I'm somewhat of a hyprocrite in that I text once in a full moon on a stoplight if its urgent. I'd be too scared to text and drive (move) though since this is tailgate city and sudden braking is the norm.

I think the problem with cellphones is that we are all too arrogant in our driving abilities and believe that we are better skilled than we actually are, thus start ignoring common sense. I know a person that caused permanent damage to a victim when she was driving in her teens, yet still talks on her cellphone while driving to this day because she feels confident in her abilities.

Personally, I think they should rack up the punitive charges for these kinds of violations to $1000 for the first violation. To say that we should get a free warning is ridiculous; unless you've been living under a rock, you've been bombarded by the "stop texting" ads in California. I wonder if the government can make auto manufacturers implement a signal jammer for when the ignition is on for all new cars...

[sushiray]

Even though it would never work...

I think you posted in the wrong thread...

oops! you're right!!

[sushiray]

I agree, tougher laws to punish those who take it for granted (this included myself!) - cuz once you have an accident no matter how serious, can't turn the clock on that. serious injuries, death! no excuse.

[sushiray]

so latest news here in NYS, another drunken driver (3x's the legal limit) drives 6mi. in the wrong direction on the taconic pkwy! same pkwy of that drunken mom that destroyed so many lives! this time it was an illegal immigrant w/o a driver's license. T.G this time no tragedies, no accidents! managed to avoid hitting someone!

this guy will be jailed if not deported. but here goes another example of drinking n driving just don't mix!

[RodInCALIFORNIA]

Everything is illegal here in calif even a large percentage of the states population and no one obey's the laws here, I dont know why they keep passing laws in calif since they are just ignored.

[sushiray]

Everything is illegal here in calif even a large percentage of the states population and no one obey's the laws here, I dont know why they keep passing laws in calif since they are just ignored.

California is no exception. Many states I am sure have so many laws - but some laws don't have much "bite" to them - people still flaunt them cuz it's not as severe as what it could be.

like in singapore! chew gum & spit it out on the subways - you get arrested jailed & caned!

like in the middle east - eye for an eye!