View Full Version : H1N1 vaccine out in 3 weeks
debaric
09-15-2009, 4:51 PM
Who is excited for this? What I want to know is how many human subjects has this vaccine been tested with and what were the side effects? Any Public Health people here have a link?
This is good for the upcoming flu season for the elderly, young, and immunocomprimised. I doubt I will get the shot, I would rather healthy people stay away from it.
Thoughts?
dixienut
09-15-2009, 5:07 PM
no sure, all i know last week my daughter had a check up and the dr. said they can't get the flu vaccine,.. but yet the drug stores have them? wonder whats up with that,..lol and that is just the regular flu shot.
seems like id rather have a shot from my dr. not the local corporate drug stores,..
BreezeRuehls
09-15-2009, 5:38 PM
My family had it. We all were sick for 2 weeks. Sucked, but we didnt die. I allso had meningitis! All at the same time.
jpappy789
09-15-2009, 5:39 PM
I just found out that one of my good friends had it while he was home over Labor Day weekend...
E's_Crab_Shack
09-15-2009, 6:20 PM
That looks like it should be pronouncd hiney lol
petluvr
09-15-2009, 7:13 PM
My family had it. We all were sick for 2 weeks. Sucked, but we didnt die. I allso had meningitis! All at the same time.
Not to argue with you but I will never believe one can get truly sick from the flu shot without already having a weakened immuned system. You say you had meningitis at the same time, I don't believe the doctor or whomever should have given you the shot.
daphilster08
09-15-2009, 8:13 PM
My whole college may be quarantined soon if the rates dont stop. We are a small college and already have close to 30 cases! EEK
red_wall
09-15-2009, 8:19 PM
Ahhh, as a Publix employee, I get it for free!
But I'm not going to get it, I don't see any reason to go through that stupid pain in my arm for like 5 days.
Not to argue with you but I will never believe one can get truly sick from the flu shot without already having a weakened immuned system. You say you had meningitis at the same time, I don't believe the doctor or whomever should have given you the shot.
Erm, I think that she meant she actually had H1N1, not that she got it from the vaccine.
froglover007
09-15-2009, 8:19 PM
I think i got swine flu right now.
petluvr
09-15-2009, 8:21 PM
Oh I miss read I apologize Breeze.
From what I understand, the H1N1 vaccine is the Tamiflu vaccine. And the virus has been attacking otherwise healthy adults, not the immunocompromised. As a health care worker, you better believe I will be getting the shot. The normal flu vaccine is the worst three influenza A and B strains predicted to hit the general public. Also, dont forget, the flu is respiratory, not gastrointestinal. So wash your hands and dont bloody sneeze and cough on people!
The vaccine does not make a person sick, if you have a reaction, A--you already had a virus, B--you are allergic to the egg it is grown in, or, C-- its psychosomatic (yep, people can make themselves sick if they believe they are).
better to be safe than dead right? but thats just my opinion.
Lycanthropic
09-15-2009, 10:34 PM
Ugh Tamiflu. Lats year I had to take it for a new strain of flu that swooped through our seniors lodge. The pill made me throw up agood few times, made me nauseous as heck, but hey, it worked. I didnt die.... however taking the pills for 10 days did suck
Ugh Tamiflu. Lats year I had to take it for a new strain of flu that swooped through our seniors lodge. The pill made me throw up agood few times, made me nauseous as heck, but hey, it worked. I didnt die.... however taking the pills for 10 days did suck
Lol, I can just imagine! Pretty hard to convince people sometimes though isnt it? And its frustrating to have to explain how researchers and doctors with massive amounts of education can possibly be just a wee bit smarter than john q public.
I know I am very offended by others who feel it is ok to expose people to contagious diseases because they dont want to or claim its harmful to have simple inoculations. But then they run and demand to be 'cured' of virus and blame the health system when they cant because its too late.
Meh, then again, that is just my opinion. lol
tekonus
09-16-2009, 7:58 AM
Who is excited for this? What I want to know is how many human subjects has this vaccine been tested with and ....
Yo yo yo debaric hold up for a minute. Yo props on your post and all that and I'ma let you finish, but the ebola virus was one of the greatest illnesses of all time... of all time.
Vicious_Fish
09-16-2009, 9:36 AM
I'll pass on the shot.
pinkertd
09-16-2009, 9:42 AM
I got the first swine flu virus innoculation in 1976 when there was an outbreak of swine flu at Fort Dix in New Jersey when the government was all panicked about it.
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html
They were giving it out at work for free. Then they abruptly halted it due to side effects like Guillain-Barre syndrome. This time I will not be in line for the shot. It's a gamble for me either way since my immune system has been compromised from 4 lyme disease infections.
psyche
09-16-2009, 10:39 AM
I'll take the shot. It is based on the standard flu shot and the minor changes made to target a new strain are not going to be harmful. What us harmful is the way inniculation rates are dropping to the point where babies are getting measles and other preventable, life-threatening diseases--because people are lazy and have fallen for ridiculous scare stories.
Death Pony
09-16-2009, 11:32 AM
I was supposed to get it yesterday on campus, but I had class during the two time slots they were administering it.
debaric
09-16-2009, 2:30 PM
Yo yo yo debaric hold up for a minute. Yo props on your post and all that and I'ma let you finish, but the ebola virus was one of the greatest illnesses of all time... of all time.
lol
I'll take the shot. It is based on the standard flu shot and the minor changes made to target a new strain are not going to be harmful. What us harmful is the way inniculation rates are dropping to the point where babies are getting measles and other preventable, life-threatening diseases--because people are lazy and have fallen for ridiculous scare stories.
Thats exactly what I was talking about. We had an outbreak of measles in Toronto and it was preventable. With the fairly new chicken pox vaccine, a lot of kids dont have to go through the pain of that either. I dont know if it will in the long run decrease shingles for these kids as they get older too, but that would be awesome too.
Also, vaccines are what all but eliminated polio as well.
BreezeRuehls
09-16-2009, 3:00 PM
Not to argue with you but I will never believe one can get truly sick from the flu shot without already having a weakened immuned system. You say you had meningitis at the same time, I don't believe the doctor or whomever should have given you the shot.
No, we had the flu, not the shot. The flu wasn't as bad as the news plays it up to be. The meningitis was the worst.
BreezeRuehls
09-16-2009, 3:02 PM
Yo yo yo debaric hold up for a minute. Yo props on your post and all that and I'ma let you finish, but the ebola virus was one of the greatest illnesses of all time... of all time.
ROTFLAMO
tekonus
09-16-2009, 5:17 PM
ROTFLAMO
Had to do it after his post about the Kanye thing got locked. :grinyes:
LifelessForm
09-16-2009, 5:23 PM
You won't be seeing me in line for this so called "pandemic" vaccine. Total crock IMO.
mmm_unit
09-16-2009, 5:23 PM
the thing about the H1N1 virus is that is can infect healthy individuals with healthy immune systems. That is what is troubling about this virus. I also remember hearing that there is an abnormally large amount of people getting sick for this time of the year.
Flu vaccines usually have to go through a very strict policy before they are publicly announced. From what I know, very few people have extreme reactions to them, the usually side effect would probably be feeling a little under the next day since your body is adjusting to it.
if you live in a area where there is known h1n1 around of in a dense population (or work closely with a lot of people in an enclosed area), i don't think the vaccine is a bad idea.
debaric
09-16-2009, 5:32 PM
sure it can and will affect healthy individuals but you are certainly capable of fighting it off. I know that nobody wants to go through the pain and suffering of having the flu but I think the population of people that NEED it should have access to the shot first.
sure it can and will affect healthy individuals but you are certainly capable of fighting it off. I know that nobody wants to go through the pain and suffering of having the flu but I think the population of people that NEED it should have access to the shot first.
There was a news story posted just today stating that here in Canada that they are going to prioritize availability of the vaccine. Anyone with or working with children under 6 months of age, health care workers, immunocompromised, etc etc.
So, again, yay! I get mine! We have had a couple of deaths in the Ottawa area. Since we are about 1.5hrs away and the majority of the people I work with receive treatment in Ottawa, I am very happy to get it.
mmm_unit
09-16-2009, 8:45 PM
sure it can and will affect healthy individuals but you are certainly capable of fighting it off. I know that nobody wants to go through the pain and suffering of having the flu but I think the population of people that NEED it should have access to the shot first.
i never touched on the subject of who should get the vaccine.
But in any case, unlike certain other vaccines (such as the one from last year) there is NOT expected to be a shortage of vaccines so everybody who wants it should be able to get it without a problem.
DrgRcr
09-16-2009, 10:39 PM
I'd love to see the statistical numbers on this H1N1 strain vs. the other flu strains. It's my belief that probably as many if not more people die from the others as they do from the swine version. I also think that there is alot of hype. I wonder how much info is coming from the pharmaceutical companies? Unless I feel I need to, I really don't like to put anything else in my body that doesn't need to be there. It's almost ironic if you compare much of the advice about adding salt to our tank vs. this subject. Doing it constantly REDUCES the immune systems ability to fight off illness when it does happen. Make sense? Think about it.
I'd love to see the statistical numbers on this H1N1 strain vs. the other flu strains. It's my belief that probably as many if not more people die from the others as they do from the swine version. I also think that there is alot of hype. I wonder how much info is coming from the pharmaceutical companies? Unless I feel I need to, I really don't like to put anything else in my body that doesn't need to be there. It's almost ironic if you compare much of the advice about adding salt to our tank vs. this subject. Doing it constantly REDUCES the immune systems ability to fight off illness when it does happen. Make sense? Think about it.
There likely are more who die from the 'regular' strain of influenza, however, H1N1 does not seem to attack the 'regular' victims. Normally, influenza is a killer for elderly and those with reduced immune systems. The rest of us just have a crappy week or so. What is different is this strain did not originate in swine and is attacking (even killing) young healthy people. It's virulence is also the concern.
The statistics are determined by the World Health Organization and are based on several factors when determining pandemic levels. The concern relates back to the influenza of the early 19th century which killed millions at a time when international travel was not so readily had. Now that we can get halfway around the world in such a short time, the spread of disease has increased tremendously. This first wave of the virus was like a wake up call, the second wave (which will by all accounts happen) could be a worse pandemic or could be a routine epidemic as we see every year.
Vaccines are not meant to protect from all strains of virus. It simply gives your body the ability to produce your own protection. After a shot, your body works to destroy the virus by building antibodies to recognize and isolate that form of a virus.
It is hard to eliminate or destroy it rapidly as all viruses are inert. Once a portal of entry to the body is found (mouth, nose, etc) the 'dead' virus invades a healthy cell, regenerates, reproduces and explodes the host cell sending trillions more out to invade other healthy cells. Point? you can't kill what is already dead and once it is alive, its already doing damage in the body.
Education is the best form of prevention against epidemics/pandemics. It may sound goofy, but check out the site for your local health department. The WHO also has a site which further explains criteria for declaration of global health. It is not governed by companies, but by health officials representing all the countries.
When this virus was declared pandemic, there were a couple of companies in the U.S. who claimed they had reported to WHO and 'were ignored'. Of course this would sound horrible as 'it may have helped'. ... But then the companies would have influenced officials and THAT would be something to be concerned about.
Oh ya, I love working in the community and having to repeat this prescribed speech a hundred times a day......lol
LifelessForm
09-17-2009, 11:26 AM
IMO, you are all too worried about nothing. IT'S THE FLU! Quick, everyone go into a panic and get all worked up over the flu!
debaric
09-17-2009, 2:29 PM
i agree, some people are ridculous with this.. going to ER's acting like they are going to die if they start sneezing or get a runny nose.
i agree, some people are ridculous with this.. going to ER's acting like they are going to die if they start sneezing or get a runny nose.
Biggest reason for public awareness. Got a cold? rest up and get better. Got the flu? Could be reason for concern, but just the same, STAY HOME and quit spreading it.
IMO, you are all too worried about nothing. IT'S THE FLU! Quick, everyone go into a panic and get all worked up over the flu!
Hmmm, they said almost the same thing about SARS
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090917/bodybags_day2_090917/20090917?hub=TopStories
check out this story....now this is over-reacting and forgetting that supplies are slow in arriving in remote areas. A few months ago, they demanded prevention and cure.... think they want the vaccine?