Tired of Maracyn treatment cost per gallon

[CWO4GUNNER]

Tired of Maracyn treatment cost per gallon when its easier to treat a large 60/80/120/244 tank rather then HT multiple fish into a small tank to save dosing cost. So I bought this for the best price on Amazon for $10 plus $5.50 shipping total $16. for 20 treatment tabs (1000ga). Each Fizz Tab treats 50 gallons and only requires 1 treatment in 4 days, if not cured 1 repeat.
"Cures fungus, tail, fin and mouth rot, hemorrhagic septicemia, clamped fins, dropsy, furunculosis (open red sores), eye cloud (white hazy film over eyes), pop eye (enlarged eyes), swim bladder disease (fish swims on side or upside down). Specially formulated to protect fish from secondary infections – fish experience the soothing effects of allantoin, a natural protectant, as it helps heal."
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[kj5kb]

Interesting...I have often found that "pond" versions can be way cheaper per dose. However...in this case it's not the same thing.

Jungle fizz tabs active ingredients: metronidazole, praziquantel, trichlorfon, diflubenzuron. It's a parasite med. Good deal tho, I will have to get some of that.

However...
Maracyn is erythromycin (antibiotic)...erythromycin is available cheap on ebay. Or get your vet to write you a scrip and buy it at a discount pharmacy...way cheaper than maracyn brand.

Wal Mart sells 84 250mg erythromycin for $10...just need a scrip for it.

[CWO4GUNNER]

I think maybe you got the active ingredient mixed up with Jungle Pond Parasite, another product altogether I was thinking of getting but haven't had any issues with parasites ever mostly becasue I use plastic plants never live.

Here is the active ingredients for Jungle Pond Fungus. Active Ingredients:
Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone, Potassium Dichromate, Methylene Blue, Acriflavine.

[kj5kb]

I think maybe you got the active ingredient mixed up with Jungle Pond Parasite, another product altogether I was thinking of getting but haven't had any issues with parasites ever mostly becasue I use plastic plants never live.

Here is the active ingredients for Jungle Pond Fungus. Active Ingredients:
Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone, Potassium Dichromate, Methylene Blue, Acriflavine.

I did...Thanks for the correction. Sounds like good cheap fungus meds.

I still don't see this as a substitute for maracyn tho. Different weapon for a different target...

[CWO4GUNNER]

Yeah I know antibiotics are more effective at least until they become misused and not longer work. But for me its really about convenience, practicality and affordability. Iv done the multiple powder packets that when torn spew antibiotic dust into the air, your lugs, and all over your hands. 1 packet for every 10 gallons, repeated for 5 days. That means that for a 100G tank it takes a total of 50 pack at a retail cost of $1 a pack or $50 to cure a 100G tank

No "been there done that", time for some simple fizz tabs that require only 2 for 100G tank at a total cost of $1 per cure. Now that is what I call an easily decided alternative. Back to the old adage "take two of these and call me in the morning" LOL

[kj5kb]

FWIW, The e-mycin I got on ebay was pills, I just added them to the HOB and let 'em dissolve. Still had to dose 1 per 10/20G tho. The binder in the pills left some residue, but way better than doing powder..yuk.

Hey, if the Pond fungus fizzies fix the problems...great! I've had reasonable luck with triple sulfa for fin fungus, perhaps I'll try those next time.

E-mycin is really only good for gram-positive bacteria anyway.

[fishorama]

These are antibiotics: Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone. What are you treating?

[CWO4GUNNER]

These are antibiotics: Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone. What are you treating?

Great, I diden't know that, guess I'm getting the best of both world in an clean easy to use and inexpensive tablet.

I'm not treating anything right now but occasionally probubly because I hate going through the agony of QT for single new or later discovered sick fish, occasionally a little bout of fin fungus pops up. So for the foreseeable future I have a choice, I can be prepared and have something clean cheap and easy to use, or at the last minute jump through hoops spending the big bucks at the LFS to treat a 100 or 244 tank.

I'm just being a typical career Coast Guardsman "Semper Paratus" (Always ready)

[kj5kb]

These are antibiotics: Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone. What are you treating?

good point...I guess i should have researched further...I always think of those as antifungal since they seem to be included in fungus meds...

[CWO4GUNNER]

Found some info on it:
NITROFURAZONE is bactericidal for many gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria causing disease in fresh water and marine fishes. Nitrofurazone is particularly useful for control of minor topical skin infections.

FURAZOLIDONE is an antibiotic used to treat fungal infectious a broad antibacterial spectrum covering the majority of gastrointestinal tract pathogens.

[pacpac2]

I have used nitrofurazone alone which I bought from an online pharmacy. (not cheap, but reasonable) and have found that it does not work very well for columnaris. I have found great success with kanamycin though. I have a 150g tank and meds can be expensive. I, like you gunner seem to take risks with quarantine, so I like to be prepared for the occasional calamity. Nice find!

[CWO4GUNNER]

I know what you mean, last night I bought two 1.5 inch bright red/orange zebra African cichlids with a slightly blue cast for $5 each to add to my 244 AC community tank. All I did was place them in the drip bucket for an hour and a half and in they went with the lights out. They are looking good this morning.

[bushwhacker]

i wonder what that would do for BGA? after my first battle with that stuff it hasnt come back but it practically wiped out my tank getting rid of it

[CWO4GUNNER]

My Green Killing Machines in each tank on timers 12 hours a day have always~always taken care of any slime or algae even on my tanks that face an outside window with the light shining on them 4-6 hours a day.

[CWO4GUNNER]

Finally got my Jungle broad spectrum Fungal / Bacterial Fizz tabs. A big bottle with 20 tablets the size of a pill box. 1 tab treats 50 US gallons so in the aquarium it went and it fizzed pretty slowly taking about 20 minutes to dissolve making its own column of bubbles like a big slow alkasultzer. Not that much blue came out just a faint tint. Hopefully it will take care of whatever bug has been bothering my goldies. Now I wish I would have bought the sister bottle of broad spectrum parasitic Fizz Tabs for $16.

It definitely worth the try at this price as 1 of bottles of 20 tablets is equivalent to 20 box's of Maracyn 24 dose for the same price.
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[Cerianthus]

How many tanks do you now, Gunner? it seems you definitely have caught MTS. LOL!

As far as medications, I think you guy are going way overboard as most meds does have other factors which will influence their effectiveness such as pH/GH, temp, etc?

Stick to Ideal Condition for fish being kept, proper diet and routine maintenance Cocept, to avoid unnecessary complication/problem.

[CWO4GUNNER]

I only have five, one 60, two 80's, a 100, and my 244 which has satisfied my in house MTS. What I want next is a pond under a gazebo 12'X12' in the back yard.

[CWO4GUNNER]

As you know already bought used the Jungle Fizz Tab broad spectrum fungus & bacteria cure, worked great.

Now the sister cure is on sale for $10 for broad spectrum external and internal parasites from fish including flukes, internal worms, lice, anchor worms and flagellates such as hexamita or spironucleus associated with hole-in-the-head disease.
Again each tab of twenty does 50 gallons for a total of 20 tank cures or 1000 gallons. Ten dollars is not bad at all for whole tank cures compared to what you usually have to pay per gallon.
https://www.petsolutions.com/Pond-Fizz-Tabs-Parasite-Treatment+I47066504+C104314.aspx
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[nc0gnet0]

You can buy tetracycline and e-mycin in the injectable form at Tractor supply (for livestock). You can use these to make your own medicated foods using fish oil. CWO do your goldies have a fungus or a bacterial problem. If bacterial have you ever used tricide-neo? Great stuff! Not sure how it would be on other tropicals but for goldies and koi it works wonders for fin rot........use as a dip or a spray.

[CWO4GUNNER]

You can buy tetracycline and e-mycin in the injectable form at Tractor supply (for livestock). You can use these to make your own medicated foods using fish oil. CWO do your goldies have a fungus or a bacterial problem. If bacterial have you ever used tricide-neo? Great stuff! Not sure how it would be on other tropicals but for goldies and koi it works wonders for fin rot........use as a dip or a spray.

When I had big dogs, Selcata Tortoises, Giant iguanas, and box turtles I use to buy my pet meds at farm supply companies, mostly penicillin and the oral paste they sold (forgot chem name) to rid all parasites from live stock and dogs (hard worm), and I used to preform minor surgeries on my kids friends pets as well, simple stuff like apses infections.

But now Im too fat, old and lazy to alchemist those remedies anymore and for the price of $0.03 per gallon dose is cheap enough for now, plus these tabs are kind of fun and provides free entertainment in the form of a clean handling dose complete with bubble show and some cool colors LOL.

But I truly appreciate the heads up and will be taking you up on that great tip maybe for my own meds if this health care bill passes, Ill have to do my own doctoring rather then standing in line at the GOV run system, you know like the DMV.

[Cerianthus]

I only have five, one 60, two 80's, a 100, and my 244 which has satisfied my in house MTS. What I want next is a pond under a gazebo 12'X12' in the back yard.

I bet these tank occupy good amount of your time. Who needs TV when you have MTS.

Pond in the back yeard, Huh?

At least you can jump in during summer to swim with fish as I have. Well least waist high.

I had built 12 ' x 18' x 2' indoor pond using either 5 x 5 or 8 x 8 treated lumber and 1" dowels to hold lumber stacked at each corner (required core drilling and lots pounding to drive the dowels..
It looked like Ranch fence from outside and but lined with plywood and pond liner inside. One corner of the pond i build platform to build DIY water fall using cement mix and lathe with epoxy coating. My original plan was to somehow incorporate enclosure to stock amphibians on this water fall and platform which I could not complete but end up installing water mill which was also beautiful. Added diy plant box at the perimeter of the 4 x 4 frame where I can dump some pond water which was a great ferlizer.

Good Luck with new project(s).

[nc0gnet0]

But I truly appreciate the heads up and will be taking you up on that great tip maybe for my own meds if this health care bill passes, Ill have to do my own doctoring rather then standing in line at the GOV run system, you know like the DMV.


LOL, aint that the truth, but don't get me started there. But, if you ever are in a situation where you need to treat a large tank (200g+) with tetracycline, it can be quite an expensive treatment using the treatments I have seen at the LPS.

I have had great success with the tricide neo dip followed up with medicated food for fin disease which is usually bacterial and not a fungus (or the fungus is secondary). A fellow koi enthusiest passed on this recipe to me for medicated koi food:

To one pound of fish food mix as follows...
To 10 ml of LA-200 (tetracycline purchased at a tractor supply) I add 10 ml of fish oil (from GNC) and mix well.
I put one pound of fish food in a plastic baggie and add the oil/LA-200 mix and shake well to mix.
I feed as the sole ration for not less than 10 days.
Works well as a systemic antibiotic for external and internal bacterial infections.

The problem with a lot of anti-biotic treatments is they are not effective if introduced into tank/pond water with a ph above 7.5. This leaves you with two options, injections and or medicated food.



As for the mode of action for the tricide-neo:

The antibiotic potentiator in Tricide-Neo has a rather interesting mode of activity that facilitates its spectrum of activity. Tricide-Neo creates holes (Figure 2) in the bacterial cell wall which in-turn allows antibiotics to the organism, destroys the effectiveness of the bacteria's efflux pump and facilitates osmotic collapse of the bacterium. Because the potentiator causes direct physical damage to the bacteria, one is able to use less antibiotic than would normally be necessary and exposed bacteria are less likely to develop resistance to the chosen antibiotic."




*taken from koi-vet: http://www.koivet.com/koivet/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=108:tricide-neo-antibacterial-dip-or-spray-on-medication-for-koi&catid=36:medicine-treatments&Itemid=57

[CWO4GUNNER]

Wow haven't given ingestion much thought makes allot of sense though. I can tell you that those tablets did the trick for my goldfish/Koi tank and the unexplained deaths have completely halted like magic, and in my angle and silver dollar tank it has really clearing up the ROT and the fosh are responding better even the listless one. However for some reason the two tanks I used it in has caused a slight bloom, maybe in antibiotics, so I quickly turned on my UV sterilzer 24/7 vice 12/7 until its gone.

Maybe in the interim of using your recipe I can try crushing part of these tablet to make food the same way, Oh but since they are effervescent that might not work.

[Cerianthus]

I dont know if this helps or if anyone need in suck bulk but try www.fishchemical.com (http://www.fishchemical.com).

Dont know if they sell to individuals but worth trying.

[CWO4GUNNER]

I dont know if this helps or if anyone need in suck bulk but try www.fishchemical.com (http://www.fishchemical.com).

Dont know if they sell to individuals but worth trying.

"WE CURRENTLY STOCK OVER 65 TROPICAL FISH PHARMACEUTICALS FOR WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION, AND ALWAYS WELCOME SPECIAL ORDERS. "

[Cerianthus]

"WE CURRENTLY STOCK OVER 65 TROPICAL FISH PHARMACEUTICALS FOR WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION, AND ALWAYS WELCOME SPECIAL ORDERS. "

Like I said, wasnt sure since I had no problems as fish/fish diseases were my profession. I dealt mostly with other manufacturers/laboratories which are def. on wholesale level.

Although i never dealt with the following Co. (www.nationalfishpharm.com (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com)) they seemd have products which are not commonly found in pet fish industry plus same or similar products which are readily available to hobbyist.
They seemed to do both wholesale/retail and plus they say they have staffs who can assit or may have literatures which one can learn from and/or broaden one's scope thus try when thing dont go as planned.

"I am really concerned over incorrect use or overuse of med on hobby level". Try the Pros who may assist in narrowing down the possibilities and assist in choosing better choices of meds.

Just a thought!

[CWO4GUNNER]

They seemed to do both wholesale/retail and plus they say they have staffs who can assit or may have literatures which one can learn from and/or broaden one's scope thus try when thing dont go as planned.

"I am really concerned over incorrect use or overuse of med on hobby level". Try the Pros who may assist in narrowing down the possibilities and assist in choosing better choices of meds.

Just a thought!

Well since you've checked them out Ill have to also and see if I can stock up on some meds without prescription for my fish and other animals. If I do Ill let you know how it went. Thanks!

[excuzzzeme]

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