Mafia 59 - MAFIA WARS - The Play

[dirtydawg10]

MAFIA WARS

This game takes place in the City of ACVille. Three rival mafia families are waged in a war for control of the lucrative underworld in the City of ACVille. The New York Mafia, Cuban Mafia and Russian Mafia will each battle it out to see who claims this territory as their own. The citizens of the City are caught in the crossfire and will try to keep their Town innocent.

Game Mechanics

1) Each game day, everyone in the town can vote to lynch someone. You vote by saying (in bold)… I vote to lynch so and so.

a. You must vote each day, but you cannot vote for No One. The first night you fail to vote you will turn your vote over to a randomly chosen member of a rival mafia family or an innocent and it will double their vote that night (I will PM the person who's vote was doubled so they know). If you fail to vote a second night you will die an untimely death.

b. If you decide to switch your vote, state in bold you are doing so and the new vote.

c. Do not put your vote in your signature.

2) Whoever has the most votes gets lynched. If you have two and everyone else has one vote… you get lynched.

a. The priority of night time happenings is:

Town Lynch
Doctor's protection from a Hit
Mafia Hit
Untimely Deaths
Investigation results

b. If multiple people have the same number of votes, I will use the random generator to decide which of those gets lynched.

3) Everything stays in the game, no PMing people and setting up deals or alliances, or discussing issues in this game on other sites. The sole exception to this is the authorization by me for special role players to do so.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT AUTHORIZED PEOPLE COMMUNICATE VIA AN OFF SITE MESSAGING BOARD LIKE MSN/AIM/ICQ.

4) You can say whatever you want in the game, but you can't 'prove it' with my PM to you.

5) A team wins, when they outnumber the combined total of the other teams after night #4 or later events.

6) If you have any questions, PM me. If it's important to all, I'll post it.

7) No one, unless authorized to do so, are to discuss the game outside of the thread. That's kind of the point. If you are discussing things, then everyone else doesn't get the benefit of your deliberations. Think town hall rather than internet chat room.

8) Do not edit your posts!

9) NO AFTER DEATH POSTS!

10) UDs will not have roles revealed until game end, same with suicide pacts. I will reveal if mafia or if innocent.

The players are the Townies of the great City of ACville.

All players will vote each Game Day, to Lynch one of the Townies, in hopes of killing a Mafia or rival Mafia Member. Do not get led astray.

Roles:

Mafia Boss: There will be 1 Boss for each of the 3 Mafia Families. The Boss will be able to communicate with their mafia. Each mafia team will get 2 investigations and 2 hits which can be used on any night. One hit per night per family. The Boss must PM me with their investigation and/or hit prior to nightfall. If the Boss is taken out a member of the Family will need to send in a PM for investigations/hits.

Vigilantes: The vigilantes are innocent citizens of ACVille who have decided to take matters into their own hands. Due to the corruption present in the City the law can’t be trusted to clean up the scum. The game will begin with 2 vigilantes. They can communicate outside the thread. They will get 3 investigations and 1 hit. If they find the Doctor they will be able to communicate.

The Doctor: There will be 1 innocent Doctor. The Doctor can protect one person from a Hit each game night. The Doctor can also protect 1 time from a lynch. If the Doc protects someone from a lynch the second highest vote getter will be lynched. If they choose to protect someone from a lynch the Doc will give up their ability to protect from a hit that night and for the remainder of the game.

The remainder of the players will be innocent citizens of ACVille.

If for any reason you need to leave the game, please PM me, do not post it in the thread. IF YOU POST THAT YOU QUIT YOU DIE AS SOON AS I SEE THE POST. NO EXCEPTIONS. YOUR ROLE WILL BE REVEALED. I don't care if you recant the quit you will still die.

"In the game you will get accused, grilled, made to look like an idiot, and a hundred other things. IN THE GAME. Do not take anything personally or make ANY personal attacks".

PLEASE DON'T POST UNTIL I SAY GAME ON.

[dirtydawg10]

Here is the list of players:

JPap
RB
Kash
Noods
Ice
DD
Rich
Annie
Zaffy
Luvbugz
ZSand
Froglover007
JL66
TRS

GAME ON!!

The first nightfall will be Tuesday, Dec 1 at 9:00PM EST

[dirtydawg10]

Oh, I almost forgot...

This game is in loving memory of Zaffy's suicidal Oto.

[rich311k]

Here we go again.

[Kashta]

Thanks, Dawg.. this should be fun.

[The Red Severum]

woooo game on

[IceH2O]

Ready to rock......tomorrow after work lol


So what decides the winner?

Innocents have to outlast all the mafia teams or just the number of mafia players?

[IceH2O]

Okay I realized I missed it in the rules....really should bold these things

A team wins, when they outnumber the combined total of the other teams after night #4 or later events.



I like this :

a. You must vote each day, but you cannot vote for No One. The first night you fail to vote you will turn your vote over to a randomly chosen member of a rival mafia family or an innocent and it will double their vote that night (I will PM the person who's vote was doubled so they know). If you fail to vote a second night you will die an untimely death.

[johnlarson66]

This looks like a cool format.

Wish there was more than 14 people playing. My guess is that each mafia team is 3 players and there are 5 innocents.

There are 3 known innocents - which would leave 11 left as possible mafia with 3 teams. I doubt if a game mod would make one mafia team larger than the other.

[froglover007]

I vote to Lynch The Red Severum because I am tired of cat jokes (although I really do like it) :D

[johnlarson66]

I vote to lynch rich311k.

It is appearent that he from the cuban mafia as rich is short for ricardo.

[johnlarson66]

I vote to Lynch The Red Severum because I am tired of cat jokes (although I really do like it) :D

Are the cat jokes from your mafia chat?

[froglover007]

Are the cat jokes from your mafia chat?
Nope it was his avatar ;)

[rich311k]

I vote to lynch rich311k.

It is appearent that he from the cuban mafia as rich is short for ricardo.

That may be your best first vote reasoning yet. :)

[Zaffy]

Oh, I almost forgot...

This game is in loving memory of Zaffy's suicidal Oto.

He never had a name, and he could have been a girl. :tombstone:

[jpappy789]

I vote to lynch Ice

I skim the rules when I'm mafia, so he must be mafia too...

Going to be a busy couple of weeks here for me, but I still should be able to pull off posting more than the rest of the town ;)

[Dangerdoll]

hehehe thats a great reason to vote for Rich.... so what is your defense, Rich... and please, at least try to hide the accent!

[Luvbugz]

Just saw that the game was actually on :) Glad to be back. Hopefully I will have more time to participate.

[noodles62]

Oh wow! Here we go again! Yippee!

[ZSandmann]

I'm going to be scarce thru wednesday at least but I'll try to catch up in the evenings. I'm not going to throw a joke vote out at this time but I will say that Zaffy your avatar's continue to freak me the heck out.

Game related, I kind of like JL's game dynamics. There really can't be more than 3 Mafia per team. This should be interesting with four teams playing.

[The Red Severum]

frog if your going to vote for me, do it right. I will wait to throw out my vote.

[dirtydawg10]

I like this :

a. You must vote each day, but you cannot vote for No One. The first night you fail to vote you will turn your vote over to a randomly chosen member of a rival mafia family or an innocent and it will double their vote that night (I will PM the person who's vote was doubled so they know). If you fail to vote a second night you will die an untimely death.

I was hoping it would help deter people from UDing since they would be screwing their team over even more than usual...;)

[noodles62]

hhhmmm, typical day one. nothing happening yet. I will wait a while to place a vote; maybe then it wont be so random......wishful thinking I know but :huh:

[jpappy789]

Not much talk as of yet...but I have to also agree with JL's thought process. At the most, three mafia per team seems reasonable.

Just a point of interest...ricardo/richard means "powerful leader" so does that make Rich the Boss of the Cuban mafia? Hmmmm...

[noodles62]

3 per team does seem logical but with there being 3 mafia teams, *(noods quickly does the math - counts on her fingers and is thankful that it does not require the toes too! )* :p:....that means 9 total that need to be dealt with..... going to be an uphill battle, but should make for a good game.

[jpappy789]

3 per team does seem logical but with there being 3 mafia teams, *(noods quickly does the math - counts on her fingers and is thankful that it does not require the toes too! )* :p:....that means 9 total that need to be dealt with..... going to be an uphill battle, but should make for a good game.

Yes but then you add in the greater chance of a mafia being lynched or hit and it sort of evens out in my mind. Who knows, there could be only two, but seeing as there is an assigned boss for each of the three teams would they just get a single accomplice? I think three per team, regardless of total numbers, makes the most sense.

[noodles62]

yea, and odds are they will pick eachother off anyway, so I guess numbers really wont matter in the long run....

[noodles62]

well, pooh! Time to get back to work......

[johnlarson66]

So if we catch jpap skimming the rules, he is mafia?

What if we catch DD reading the rules?

What if rb posts something that makes sense?

What if noods is a low poster?

So many questions...

[johnlarson66]

I just found a video of rich -

M59I8eShAr8

[Dangerdoll]

So if we catch jpap skimming the rules, he is mafia?

What if we catch DD reading the rules?

What if rb posts something that makes sense?

What if noods is a low poster?

So many questions...
LOL heeeey!

[jpappy789]

So if we catch jpap skimming the rules, he is mafia?

What if we catch DD reading the rules?

What if rb posts something that makes sense?

What if noods is a low poster?

So many questions...

:rofl:

What if we catch JL being a smart ***?

[rich311k]

Lets be clear here. I do not have an accent. I like the powerful leader bit. I fall a bit short of looking like Al Pacino.

[ZSandmann]

Luuucy, you got some splainin' to do!

[noodles62]

So if we catch jpap skimming the rules, he is mafia?

What if we catch DD reading the rules?

What if rb posts something that makes sense?

What if noods is a low poster?

So many questions...


:rofl:

What if we catch JL being a smart ***?

LOL That was the first thought that came to my mind...or what if he stops being a smart ***? That must certainly indicate scum....

Besides, me? A low poster? HAHAHAHHA! NEVER!!!!

[IceH2O]

Lots of great questions and no real answers in sight.

The Rich Theory might hold merit if I were the MOD. I'm not sure how Dawg chooses teams. But if push comes to shove and nothing else rears its head I'm game. If you think about it and the number 3 is correct we have a 65% chance he is mafia.

[AnniesNotOK]

glad the game has finally started.

I vote to lynch Kashta.

Why you ask??? Why not I say.

[Rbishop]

Game on..kewl....should we all have turkey hash to night?

[froglover007]

Is it time to lynch someone else?

[jpappy789]

Lots of great questions and no real answers in sight.

The Rich Theory might hold merit if I were the MOD. I'm not sure how Dawg chooses teams. But if push comes to shove and nothing else rears its head I'm game. If you think about it and the number 3 is correct we have a 65% chance he is mafia.

What if Rich was from the NYC mafia? He is in Long Island...it's all the same chance what team one is, if in fact they are mafia.

I don't understand why exactly you're "game" for voting rich. Sounds like a subtle push while still putting it off as the original joke.

I might be overreacting but still, I don't understand what then merits a vote on Rich over anyone else when "push comes to shove."

[jpappy789]

Is it time to lynch someone else?

Just a quick heads up: you used up your one newbie card :grinyes:

At this point, since no one is a confirmed innocent nor is there even close to a consensus, it's best to play as an individual. That is, unless you absolutely want to tell everyone your mafia-scum teammates ;)

[noodles62]

Game on..kewl....should we all have turkey hash to night?

What the heck is Turkey hash?


Is it time to lynch someone else?

Did we lynch someone and I missed it? This game is moving fast! :screwy:

[jpappy789]

LOL noods.

Well I believe that everyone's shown up at least...now we just need something to really get the game going...

...not it!

[Rbishop]

One potato, two potato,
Three potato, four....

[noodles62]

five potato, six potato, seven potato, more........my mother says to pick the very best one and you are not IT!

sorry, went back into my childhood. It was a happy, safe little place.....

[IceH2O]

I vote to lynch Ice

I skim the rules when I'm mafia, so he must be mafia too...

Going to be a busy couple of weeks here for me, but I still should be able to pull off posting more than the rest of the town ;)


What if Rich was from the NYC mafia? He is in Long Island...it's all the same chance what team one is, if in fact they are mafia.

I don't understand why exactly you're "game" for voting rich. Sounds like a subtle push while still putting it off as the original joke.

I might be overreacting but still, I don't understand what then merits a vote on Rich over anyone else when "push comes to shove."


You know Pap that is the 2nd time you've come after me in less then 12 hrs. I took the 1st as a joke but this 2nd one seems to me that you're trying to get me lynched for no other reason then I'm not on your mafia team and you deem me a threat.

I don't get what you don't get about me being game to vote Rich. If you'd read the entire post and not just pulled a partial sentence you'd see I said if nothing reared its head. Why is a random vote so mysterious to you on Day 1? Would a better random vote be to just throw a dart at a list of names?

You don't need to worry about me voting Rich. I think something reared its ugly head.

I vote to lynch Jpap

[jpappy789]

Ice, do you want me to go through the entire post? Too late...



Lots of great questions and no real answers in sight.

I suppose...


The Rich Theory might hold merit if I were the MOD.

This doesn't mean anything...


I'm not sure how Dawg chooses teams. But if push comes to shove and nothing else rears its head I'm game.

The fact that you say "I'm game" comes off as you are willing to join with others in voting Rich if there's no other option (of course), hence why I said it sounded like a subtle push.


If you think about it and the number 3 is correct we have a 65% chance he is mafia.

Same with every other player so I don't see how this justifies the previous thought.


You know Pap that is the 2nd time you've come after me in less then 12 hrs. I took the 1st as a joke but this 2nd one seems to me that you're trying to get me lynched for no other reason then I'm not on your mafia team and you deem me a threat.

I don't get what you don't get about me being game to vote Rich. If you'd read the entire post and not just pulled a partial sentence you'd see I said if nothing reared its head. Why is a random vote so mysterious to you on Day 1? Would a better random vote be to just throw a dart at a list of names?

You don't need to worry about me voting Rich. I think something reared its ugly head.

I vote to lynch Jpap

Because it's not random anymore. No matter how you look at it, you just named Rich as a potential place to put your vote. You could also argue that Rich really isn't all that random seeing as he's been the only person identified as a common mafia suspect (however jokingly it was).

Say your vote, in theory, was random...if I were to come out and say, "unless I find a solid suspect, I will vote for so-and-so," how is that not suspicious? I don't see a random vote as being premeditated in any form...it's one thing to throw out a joke vote early or one late in the day because you have to.

My first vote was a complete joke because of some of my skimming mistakes last game and the other post was to get a clearer picture of what your reasoning was. You play it off as random, when it really isn't at all.

[johnlarson66]

So if we catch jpap skimming the rules, he is mafia?

What if we catch DD reading the rules?

What if rb posts something that makes sense?

What if noods is a low poster?

So many questions...

I might have some answers -

Q1: What if we catch DD reading the rules?

A1: Not going to happen, why start now.

Q2: What if rb posts something that makes sense?

A2: Two words - Turkey Hash.

Q3: What if noods is a low poster?

A3: see A1 above.

[johnlarson66]

I vote to Lynch The Red Severum because I am tired of cat jokes (although I really do like it) :D


frog if your going to vote for me, do it right. I will wait to throw out my vote.


Is it time to lynch someone else?

froglover, for your vote to count it must be in bold, TRS tried to tell you.

The lynch is not until nightfall. Don't you have some teamates that could help you out? It might be a good idea to read the rules or did they tell you not to worry about them?

I won't place a day one vote on a noob...

[jpappy789]

I might have some answers -

Q1: What if we catch DD reading the rules?

A1: Not going to happen, why start now.

Q2: What if rb posts something that makes sense?

A2: Two words - Turkey Hash.

Q3: What if noods is a low poster?

A3: see A1 above.

I feel left out...

[johnlarson66]

I feel left out...

I am sure your teamates can cheer you up.

[Kashta]

Interesting Day 1 babble. At this point, everyone looks suspicious to me so I'm not going to toss out a random vote for a while.

I see Ice and Jpappy are going at it already... could mean those two are teammates? And I wouldn't disagree that Rich is a good lynch vote any day of the week. JL.. he's is just evil (regardless of role).

[ZSandmann]

Is it time to lynch someone else?

I dunno, is it?

Conversation starter: What is your favorite type of palm tree?

I prefer date palms, cause... well cause they make dates and I make awesome date rolls. Mmmmmmmm.

[Kashta]

he's is = he's

[jpappy789]

I am sure your teamates can cheer you up.

That's why I asked you JL :lipssealedsmilie:

[johnlarson66]

I dunno, is it?

Conversation starter: What is your favorite type of palm tree?

I prefer date palms, cause... well cause they make dates and I make awesome date rolls. Mmmmmmmm.

Cuban National Tree: Date Palm Tree

[johnlarson66]

That's why I asked you JL :lipssealedsmilie:

What did you ask me?

Skimming your own posts?

[The Red Severum]

i vote to lynch froglover for now for not reading the rules.

[jpappy789]

What did you ask me?

Skimming your own posts?

Sorry, mixed up our forum with this one. :laugh:

[ZSandmann]

Cuban National Tree: Date Palm Tree

Lol you made me Google it

[jpappy789]

Lol I had to google it too...

[IceH2O]

Ice, do you want me to go through the entire post? Too late...




I suppose...



This doesn't mean anything...



The fact that you say "I'm game" comes off as you are willing to join with others in voting Rich if there's no other option (of course), hence why I said it sounded like a subtle push.



Same with every other player so I don't see how this justifies the previous thought.



Because it's not random anymore. No matter how you look at it, you just named Rich as a potential place to put your vote. You could also argue that Rich really isn't all that random seeing as he's been the only person identified as a common mafia suspect (however jokingly it was).

Say your vote, in theory, was random...if I were to come out and say, "unless I find a solid suspect, I will vote for so-and-so," how is that not suspicious? I don't see a random vote as being premeditated in any form...it's one thing to throw out a joke vote early or one late in the day because you have to.

My first vote was a complete joke because of some of my skimming mistakes last game and the other post was to get a clearer picture of what your reasoning was. You play it off as random, when it really isn't at all.


Pretty much your opinion and your welcome to it. The bolded line is a pretty well used statement especially on Day 1.

But I don't really see how you come to the conclusion that my saying I'd vote that way if nothing else is more concrete as a subtle push. I don't see how its any different then you voting me as a joke. Is that not a subtle push even if made in jest? If others jumped on after you would you then claim it was a trap?

My opinion which I also am welcome to have is that you are trying to hard to get me lynched.But I applaud the plan, you know the longer I last in the game the harder it is to lynch me and the more of your team that dies at my hands.

[Zaffy]

I think I found one of the mafia groups, Who are the people in this picture?

Is the one with the ice cream RB possibly?

[rich311k]

LOL, where do you guys find this stuff?

[jpappy789]

Pretty much your opinion and your welcome to it. The bolded line is a pretty well used statement especially on Day 1.

But I don't really see how you come to the conclusion that my saying I'd vote that way if nothing else is more concrete as a subtle push. I don't see how its any different then you voting me as a joke. Is that not a subtle push even if made in jest? If others jumped on after you would you then claim it was a trap?

My opinion which I also am welcome to have is that you are trying to hard to get me lynched.But I applaud the plan, you know the longer I last in the game the harder it is to lynch me and the more of your team that dies at my hands.

Not once did I say it reinforced my suspicion of you...I wasn't even in the first place. So no, it's not a way to get you lynched. I saw it as a possible push for Rich (ie. I'm game, how about you?) without placing the vote and waiting to see what comes of it first.

It's a little different than a purely random vote in that who is going to jump on the train in agreement? (I agree with your random vote and I vote to lynch XXX? Not likely.) In this case there was some sort of logic anyone could have grasped on to.

I'm not at all saying this was your intention and I could be barking up the wrong tree entirely...I'm trying to explain how I got to MY conclusion after asking how you got to YOUR conclusion. It looks as though fundamentally we disagree with how exactly to define a random vote, so without getting into a semantic battle there isn't much more to argue about.

[Dangerdoll]

John, you're really almost tempting me enough to read the rules...

[johnlarson66]

John, you're really almost tempting me enough to read the rules...

I am sure your teamates will keep you up to date on the current rules. Maybe Kash will help you out.

[johnlarson66]

I think I found one of the mafia groups, Who are the people in this picture?

Is the one with the ice cream RB possibly?

If it is turkey hash on a stick, then it IS rb!

[Kashta]

John, you're really almost tempting me enough to read the rules...

Good lord, DD.. why on earth would you do that?


I am sure your teamates will keep you up to date on the current rules. Maybe Kash will help you out.

That was last game, John. Try to keep up, will ya? lol.

[Dangerdoll]

hahaha, funny John... when did you get your PM listing your teammates?

[johnlarson66]

Lots of great questions and no real answers in sight.

The Rich Theory might hold merit if I were the MOD. I'm not sure how Dawg chooses teams. But if push comes to shove and nothing else rears its head I'm game. If you think about it and the number 3 is correct we have a 65% chance he is mafia.

Here is the post that has jpap all excited.

I am going to assume the "Rich Theory" is based on my post about rich being short for Ricardo. Maybe some folks can google that also.

I don't think that Dawg would assign a role based on someones screen name. I don't think there is any reason to think Dawg would make rich mafia any more than anyone else. I think one game on day one I voted for noods because her name sounded like a mafia name. I really can't imagine even Ice giving rich a mafia role based on his name, but he says he might if he were a MOD.

Maybe this was some type of trap that Ice was placing.

[johnlarson66]

hahaha, funny John... when did you get your PM listing your teammates?

I think everyone in the game got their PM around the same time. I can't prove what my PM was (per rule #4 that you must have skimmed), but I can assure you there was no list.


4) You can say whatever you want in the game, but you can't 'prove it' with my PM to you.

Any other rules you are unsure about?

[johnlarson66]

Not once did I say it reinforced my suspicion of you...I wasn't even in the first place. So no, it's not a way to get you lynched. I saw it as a possible push for Rich (ie. I'm game, how about you?) without placing the vote and waiting to see what comes of it first.

It's a little different than a purely random vote in that who is going to jump on the train in agreement? (I agree with your random vote and I vote to lynch XXX? Not likely.) In this case there was some sort of logic anyone could have grasped on to.

I'm not at all saying this was your intention and I could be barking up the wrong tree entirely...I'm trying to explain how I got to MY conclusion after asking how you got to YOUR conclusion. It looks as though fundamentally we disagree with how exactly to define a random vote, so without getting into a semantic battle there isn't much more to argue about.

So jpap, is your vote on Ice random?

[johnlarson66]

You know Pap that is the 2nd time you've come after me in less then 12 hrs. I took the 1st as a joke but this 2nd one seems to me that you're trying to get me lynched for no other reason then I'm not on your mafia team and you deem me a threat.

I don't get what you don't get about me being game to vote Rich. If you'd read the entire post and not just pulled a partial sentence you'd see I said if nothing reared its head. Why is a random vote so mysterious to you on Day 1? Would a better random vote be to just throw a dart at a list of names?

You don't need to worry about me voting Rich. I think something reared its ugly head.

I vote to lynch Jpap

Would this be a OMGUS?

[johnlarson66]

Lol you made me Google it


Lol I had to google it too...

So I broke down and googled it.

Here is what I found -



National tree
The Royal Palm. Although it is not indigenous of Cuba, it is present in the country's whole landscape and symbolizes the undeniable character of the Cuban people, as it endures the most furious gales on foot, without falling.
http://www.dtcuba.com/images/palmareal.gif
In most cases, its height varies between 40 and 50 feet and it is crowned with a beautiful crest. This is one of the many trees that grow in Cuba; its majestic structure and height, as well as its strength and its many uses have earned it to be called all over the country as the queen of our fields.

[Luvbugz]

I am driving my sister back to Chicago today I don't know when I will be home tonight so in fear that I will miss nightfall, I am going to place a random vote. I would hate to miss nightfall and have my vote go to a random mafia member next nightfall. I really don't have any suspects as of right now. I am not understanding the little tiff between Ice and Jpap. JL looks like he is sitting back and egging them on. Looks like normal first day stuff with this group ;) I vote to lynch Zaffy.

[Rbishop]

I think I found one of the mafia groups, Who are the people in this picture?

Is the one with the ice cream RB possibly?


Nope...extreme lack of tattoos....

[noodles62]

I think I found one of the mafia groups, Who are the people in this picture?

Is the one with the ice cream RB possibly?


:rofl: Love the jewelry!!! :rofl:

[noodles62]

Well, still not much going on with the exception of the banter between Ice and Jpap. I do not think it warrants getting involved at this point, just a peeing contest and a difference of opinion.....Lots of singleton votes out there but not untypical (is that a word?) of night one. Where to place my vote......need to think on this a bit more.

Speaking of peeing contests......I have always envied the ability to write one's name in the snow~ :p:

[AnniesNotOK]

I might have some answers -

Q1: What if we catch DD reading the rules?

A1: Not going to happen, why start now.

Q2: What if rb posts something that makes sense?

A2: Two words - Turkey Hash.

Q3: What if noods is a low poster?

A3: see A1 above.

Hahahahahahaha. This post cracked me up man.


I dunno, is it?

Conversation starter: What is your favorite type of palm tree?

I prefer date palms, cause... well cause they make dates and I make awesome date rolls. Mmmmmmmm.

Well Z, I would also have to say the date palm. Being from Canada, I have never seen a palm tree. We have many kinds of trees here, but palm tree's aren't one of them. In fact, the date palm is the only variety of palm tree I know, and only because you told me it is. I am not googling it. Gonna trust you on this.

[ZSandmann]

I am driving my sister back to Chicago today I don't know when I will be home tonight so in fear that I will miss nightfall, I am going to place a random vote. I would hate to miss nightfall and have my vote go to a random mafia member next nightfall. I really don't have any suspects as of right now. I am not understanding the little tiff between Ice and Jpap. JL looks like he is sitting back and egging them on. Looks like normal first day stuff with this group ;) I vote to lynch Zaffy.
I Luv's it (see what I did there, when someone mentions one person and votes another with no reasoning, hehehe.

Hahahahahahaha. This post cracked me up man.



Well Z, I would also have to say the date palm. Being from Canada, I have never seen a palm tree. We have many kinds of trees here, but palm tree's aren't one of them. In fact, the date palm is the only variety of palm tree I know, and only because you told me it is. I am not googling it. Gonna trust you on this.
You don't know a coconut palm?? I refuse to believe there are no endemic palms to Canada. Not even a palmetto? The horror!



Since nothing really happened overnight I am going to...

I vote to lynch LuvBugz

for the reason stated above.

[dirtydawg10]

If it is turkey hash on a stick, then it IS rb!

:rofl: :barf:



Votes so far:

Rich -1- JL66(11)
Ice -1- JPap(16)
Kash -1- Annie(37)
JPap -1- Ice(46)
Frog -1- TRS(58)
Zaffy -1- Luv(76)
Luv -1- ZSand(81)

No votes from: DD, Frog, Kash, Noods, Rich, RB or Zaffy

Nightfall in 12hrs. PM's as required.

[rich311k]

I vote for RB. No one has voted for him yet. Don't want him to feel left out.

[noodles62]

Well, crap. I need to place my vote but we really do not need anther single vote hanging out there.....soooooooo, out of the list of players with one vote each, I am going to go with.........I vote to lynch Rich. Just really a guess at this point but he fools me more times than not with his laid back playing. Second guess would probably be Luvbugz or Annie........my vote is subject to change as the day unfolds.

[Dangerdoll]

I vote to lynch Paps. Mostly because of his jumping all over Ice so quickly, and for throwing out reasons to seemingly confuse people. (my first thought is the picking of ice's posts)

[froglover007]

I vote to Lynch noods

[Dangerdoll]

it's got to be bolded frog..... and what is your reason?

[jpappy789]

So Noods throws Rich ahead, then DD votes me (go figure) to tie it up.

JL, I wouldn't say my vote is all that "random" seeing as I gave a reason of sorts but more of a joke.

[Kashta]

I vote to Lynch noods

Frog, you are starting to worry me. I get that you're a noob and probably need to feel your way around on the first day of your first game, but this is ridiculous.

Here, you placed your vote for today already.. on TRS.


I vote to Lynch The Red Severum because I am tired of cat jokes (although I really do like it) :D

When questioned why.. here's your response.


Nope it was his avatar ;)

Here, the person you voted pointed out that you didn't vote right. It wasn't bolded. That was a clue for you to re-read the rules. And you missed that.


frog if your going to vote for me, do it right. I will wait to throw out my vote.

Here... I don't even know what you were doing.


Is it time to lynch someone else?

Here, another player spelled it out for you.


froglover, for your vote to count it must be in bold, TRS tried to tell you.

The lynch is not until nightfall. Don't you have some teamates that could help you out? It might be a good idea to read the rules or did they tell you not to worry about them?

I won't place a day one vote on a noob...

And after all that, you decided to vote Noodles -- still not done correctly in bold as the rules say.

Here are the voting rules you need to follow.



1) Each game day, everyone in the town can vote to lynch someone. You vote by saying (in bold)… I vote to lynch so and so.

b. If you decide to switch your vote, state in bold you are doing so and the new vote.


I don't like voting off a noob either on Day 1 and I had the general impression that if Froglover has teammates that they wouldn't let the new player make these mistakes.. or they'd at least tell the person how to fix the first botched vote on TRS... to brush up on the basics and go over the rules... and to pay better attention to what's been pointed out in the thread. Since it seems Frog isn't getting some real important advice, I was leaning them innocent more than evil.

However.. based on the way Frog isn't listening to people in this thread either, I'm beginning to doubt whether they would be listening to advice given by teammates if Frog has teammates.

At this point, I'm starting to lean Frog way more suspicious than before.

I'm still not going to vote Frog being this is Day 1. But if this continues, Frog will very likely get my Day 2 vote.

[Dangerdoll]

So Noods throws Rich ahead, then DD votes me (go figure) to tie it up.

JL, I wouldn't say my vote is all that "random" seeing as I gave a reason of sorts but more of a joke.
ummm... so what are you getting at, Paps? You're just mad that I got to vote you before you got to vote me like every other game.

[Kashta]

It's too early in the game to be very sure of this yet and I know Bugz says she's busy, but I still feel she's trying hard to play a low-key game. Bugz has always sparked some controversy in previous games. Recently, her newer trend in playing style has become... taking a very cautious approach. To an extent that's understandable, given the blow ups in past games.... but this still doesn't fit her (more aggressive) personality.

Luv's random vote on Zaffy is probably about the most non-controversial step she could take.. hoping to avoid taking on the heavy hitters in the game.. counting on the fact that Zaff doesn't usually get all OMGUSSY on people who vote him.


I am driving my sister back to Chicago today I don't know when I will be home tonight so in fear that I will miss nightfall, I am going to place a random vote. I would hate to miss nightfall and have my vote go to a random mafia member next nightfall. I really don't have any suspects as of right now. I am not understanding the little tiff between Ice and Jpap. JL looks like he is sitting back and egging them on. Looks like normal first day stuff with this group ;) I vote to lynch Zaffy.

Had Bugz gone on to explain why Zaffy makes a good random vote choice in her mind.. I wouldn't be as concerned right now. But she didn't. Yet, Bugz DID take the time to (1) explain why she won't be here, (2) justify making and leaving a random vote, (3) even make reference to the rules about votes not made going to a mafia players, and (4) to sum up her impression of the other most active players. This post was very thoroughly written and thought out. I see no (good) reason why Bugz wouldn't have had the time to simply say she's voting Zaffy at random because (state a reason) instead of voting anyone else she could have picked at random.

As an aggressive player trying to lie low and hide in the bushes early in the game is always a reasonable scum tell.

I vote to lynch LuvBugz.

[johnlarson66]

So Noods throws Rich ahead, then DD votes me (go figure) to tie it up.

JL, I wouldn't say my vote is all that "random" seeing as I gave a reason of sorts but more of a joke.

jpap, so is the vote a joke vote?

I have always thought of joke votes to be random or atleast without a valid reason.

Since the game has more mafia than innocents, there is a good chance that Ice is mafia (the same chance you, I and everyone has). So if Ice is lynched and comes up mafia, did you suspect him as being mafia or is it all a joke?

I think Ice's OMGUS vote on you is very curious and very much out of character. I don't think his vote on you is a joke.

[jpappy789]

ummm... so what are you getting at, Paps? You're just mad that I got to vote you before you got to vote me like every other game.

Exactly...'twas a mere observation with a little joke.

[jpappy789]

jpap, so is the vote a joke vote?

I have always thought of joke votes to be random or atleast without a valid reason.

Since the game has more mafia than innocents, there is a good chance that Ice is mafia (the same chance you, I and everyone has). So if Ice is lynched and comes up mafia, did you suspect him as being mafia or is it all a joke?

I think Ice's OMGUS vote on you is very curious and very much out of character. I don't think his vote on you is a joke.

Yes, it was a vote with a "joke" reason as opposed to a "random" vote on a player without an explanation other than it is random (see Kash's explanation of Luv's vote). Both are not valid but the presentation and thought process is different, in my mind. I may just be nitpicking...

However, I'm not saying Ice is mafia at this point nor did I think that when I placed the vote initially NOR when I quoted his post. His reaction was odd, so I agree with you there but not blatantly mafia-like. I threw an early joke vote and quoted a post of his saying I don't understand the logic...his reaction was if I had tried to get him lynched. I might put him ahead of the rest of the town on my watch list, but basically because there's nothing else going on.

If I had a clear cut suspect I would most definitely switch votes, but no one has done anything to catch my eye, other than froglover being horribly confused. If Ice comes up mafia, I wont be surprised given the chances, but seeing as there are three mafia teams I'm not going to claim innocence if that's part of what you are asking. The vote was still a joke, Ice overreacted, we argued over semantics, and here we are.

[johnlarson66]

Exactly...'twas a mere observation with a little joke.

So which part was observation and which part was joke.

I don't like the whole "Rich Thoery" concept. Even if Dawg handed out the roles, I don't think rich would get a role for his name being loosely simular to ricardo. I also doubt Ice would do that either, even though he claims he might.

Any thoughts on Ice's OMGUS vote on you?

[jpappy789]

So which part was observation and which part was joke.

I don't like the whole "Rich Thoery" concept. Even if Dawg handed out the roles, I don't think rich would get a role for his name being loosely simular to ricardo. I also doubt Ice would do that either, even though he claims he might.

Any thoughts on Ice's OMGUS vote on you?

Observation: Noods voted Rich, DD voted me

Joke: (go figure)...just poking fun at the fact that DD and I vote each other almost every game at some point.

Ice's vote does come off as OMGUS, but I think the crux of the argument was that we disagree on what exactly a random vote is...it's not like it's something set in stone so really it's just a matter of opinion. He's an aggressive player that likes to counter-attack instead of just getting defensive, if that makes any sense.

[johnlarson66]

I am driving my sister back to Chicago today I don't know when I will be home tonight so in fear that I will miss nightfall, I am going to place a random vote. I would hate to miss nightfall and have my vote go to a random mafia member next nightfall. I really don't have any suspects as of right now. I am not understanding the little tiff between Ice and Jpap. JL looks like he is sitting back and egging them on. Looks like normal first day stuff with this group ;) I vote to lynch Zaffy.

I am not trying to egg anyone on and I want to clear this up. I also don't think there is a "little tiff" and if you don't understand thier posts, you certianly haven't done anything to clear it up. My egging on is my attempt to understand their posts and to gather more information.

I retract my vote on rich3121k and vote to lynch Luvbugz.

Luv claims I am "egging them on", then claims it is normal first day stuff and then votes Zaffy. Odd that luv would not vote for me for trying to egg on two other players.

I also think Kash had some good insight on Luv also. Not that I trust her and generally long posts like that are big red flags to me.

[rich311k]

Funny how it goes from joking to serious probing so quickly. I always feel a half a step behind you guys. I see nothing but normal play from everyone right now. I have no real clue on anyone yet. Guess we shall get some info as we get close to crunch time and votes start moving.

[IceH2O]

Would this be a OMGUS?


That depends on how you want to see it.

IMO I feel I have a small case against Jpap where he admits his vote is a joke vote. As seen in the quote below.
He then proceeds to say if he found something more concrete he would move there ( bolded statement below). Well isn't that what I said and got jumped on by Jpap? I admit I named a name and he didn't but the joking at that time was focused on Rich and I thought I'd join in.




JL, I wouldn't say my vote is all that "random" seeing as I gave a reason of sorts but more of a joke.





If I had a clear cut suspect I would most definitely switch votes, but no one has done anything to catch my eye, other than froglover being horribly confused. If Ice comes up mafia, I wont be surprised given the chances, but seeing as there are three mafia teams I'm not going to claim innocence if that's part of what you are asking. The vote was still a joke, Ice overreacted, we argued over semantics, and here we are.

The more I look at the posts above the more I like my vote. Jpap admits its not random so in essence is admitting he targeted me in post 16 a mere 1.5 hours into Day 1.

[ZSandmann]

Wow more back and forth than I've seen on a Day 1 in a while. I like my vote on Luv still so I am keeping it there.

[Zaffy]

Rich -1- JL66(11)Noodles(84)
Ice -1- JPap(16)
Kash -1- Annie(37)
JPap -2- Ice(46)DD(85)
Frog -1- TRS(58)
Zaffy -1- Luv(76)
Luv -3- ZSand(81)Kash(91)JL(97)
RB -1- Rich(83)

No votes from: Frog, RB, Zaffy


Apparently Frog wants to vote for noodles? but either doesn't know how to vote, or is mucking up the vote for some other reason. If this is indeed frogs first mafia game, I'm willing to look the other way and assume that he/she is making an innocent mistake.


The quick train on Luvbugs is kinda interesting to me, her vote against me is pretty arbitrary, but the other non-info in her post seems to be what everyone is holding on to. I'd accept that any day except day 1.



Right now I think I'm leaning that possibly there's a set up happening on bugz.


I doubt there is a team between Zsand, Kash, and JL, but I wouldn't be surprised if one, or more of them are scum.


I vote to lynch Kashta


She's the only one with a vote on her right now, so of the three I want to see lynched most, she's the best shot. In summary, I think the trian on bugz formed suspiciously quickly, and that's all I've got right now.

[Zaffy]

Rich -1- JL66(11)Noodles(84)
Ice -1- JPap(16)
Kash -2- Annie(37)Zaffy(101)
JPap -2- Ice(46)DD(85)
Frog -1- TRS(58)
Zaffy -1- Luv(76)
Luv -3- ZSand(81)Kash(91)JL(97)
RB -1- Rich(83)

No votes from: Frog, RB

[johnlarson66]

Zaffy,

I am the third vote on Luv. I do not think it is a train. Being the third vote is not always the best place to be as it is often thought that the third vote is the vote that does a player in. Someone has to be the third vote.

I also would 100% agree that at least one of the three of us (ZS, Kash and me) are mafia. I think you can take any three players and make that statement. My guess is that it is 9 vs 5.

The talk of trains when there is three votes is odd. There is no mad dash to lynch Luv, but you seem to be defensive about it. Strange coming from the person that Luv was voting for.

[Zaffy]

I say it's quick because all 3 votes happened within 16 posts of each other. That strikes me as odd for someone to go from 0 votes to leader in 16 posts. You're right, you could pick any three players in this game and make the assumption that one of them is scum, and back it up mathematically, and you'd be correct. If you're disappointed that I didn't vote for you because you were the 3rd vote, then I'm sorry. I'd love to, but as you have 0 votes right now you're a non-contender for lynching at this point. I think my vote being on Kash is more helpful right now than it would be on someone else.

Luv said she voted for me as a random vote, I accept that on day 1. Right or wrong, I'm not good enough at intuition to really argue against that.

[Rbishop]

I vote to lynch Luv....

..simply for the fact it has been pretty routine to do so in several of the last games.

[AnniesNotOK]

I will not be around tonight. I am going to my wifes place to discuss reconciliation. No time to catch up on todays posts now.

[jpappy789]

That depends on how you want to see it.

IMO I feel I have a small case against Jpap where he admits his vote is a joke vote. As seen in the quote below.
He then proceeds to say if he found something more concrete he would move there ( bolded statement below). Well isn't that what I said and got jumped on by Jpap? I admit I named a name and he didn't but the joking at that time was focused on Rich and I thought I'd join in.







The more I look at the posts above the more I like my vote. Jpap admits its not random so in essence is admitting he targeted me in post 16 a mere 1.5 hours into Day 1.

Ice, I have already said that there is (in my mind) a clear difference between a completely random vote and a joke vote. My vote was not random, it was a joke. So no, that does not automatically mean that I "targeted" you.

At some point one has to wonder whether there is really that big of a difference in opinions or whether the two players are on opposing teams. I'm starting to lean towards the latter as you keep trying to push the fact that I somehow went after you.

What I said is also different than what you said. The whole point was you didn't sound so joking about Rich...you specifically said if you were the mod you might give Rich the role and that you were "game" if you didn't find another suspect. That's not random at all (as I have said), and not really a joke either since you there could be something behind the theory, even though you continue to play it off as such. I'm confused what is so joking about joining in lynching a player that didn't do anything concrete to merit the votes. You alluded to that your final vote would be there ("if push comes to shove") and since you wanted to join in the fun, I assume that means you wanted to join in with other people who may have voted for Rich? Why would you want to jump on a train as a joke, Ice? Unless you're keeping to your story (that the whole post was a joke) please explain what exactly you did mean so I don't make the mistake of believing what I just said if it is not correct.

You're also exaggerating what I said. It was one post, after my initial vote, where I questioned your logic. I have yet to use it against you yet you say I jumped on you...I get a sense that you're almost trying to blow this out of proportion.

[noodles62]

I will not be around tonight. I am going to my wifes place to discuss reconciliation. No time to catch up on todays posts now.

g/o Good luck to you Annie g/o

[ZSandmann]

I say it's quick because all 3 votes happened within 16 posts of each other. That strikes me as odd for someone to go from 0 votes to leader in 16 posts. You're right, you could pick any three players in this game and make the assumption that one of them is scum, and back it up mathematically, and you'd be correct. If you're disappointed that I didn't vote for you because you were the 3rd vote, then I'm sorry. I'd love to, but as you have 0 votes right now you're a non-contender for lynching at this point. I think my vote being on Kash is more helpful right now than it would be on someone else.

Luv said she voted for me as a random vote, I accept that on day 1. Right or wrong, I'm not good enough at intuition to really argue against that.
Luv's vote is random, many of the votes are or at least seem to be, as I said the thing that drew me to Luv is that they mentioned other players in their post but then voted you random.

Even on Day 1 if I say A, B, and C are bothering me but then vote Player D that should be looked at heavily. We have pretty good odds of getting a baddie Tonight so I'll take any solid logic I can find.

[IceH2O]

Luv's vote is random, many of the votes are or at least seem to be, as I said the thing that drew me to Luv is that they mentioned other players in their post but then voted you random.

Even on Day 1 if I say A, B, and C are bothering me but then vote Player D that should be looked at heavily. We have pretty good odds of getting a baddie Tonight so I'll take any solid logic I can find.


I agree that anyone that lists players as suspects then votes for a totally different player is suspect themselves.



Jpap, again you are welcome to your opinion. To me it looks like you are trying to back track now. You placed a vote on me then leaned on me throughout the day cycle. I'm just calling it as I see it. If you think I'm blowing this out of proportion you are mistaken. I'm taking what I think is the most solid case for a Day 1 and being thorough.

[IceH2O]

What I said is also different than what you said. The whole point was you didn't sound so joking about Rich...you specifically said if you were the mod you might give Rich the role and that you were "game" if you didn't find another suspect. That's not random at all (as I have said), and not really a joke either since you there could be something behind the theory, even though you continue to play it off as such. I'm confused what is so joking about joining in lynching a player that didn't do anything concrete to merit the votes. You alluded to that your final vote would be there ("if push comes to shove") and since you wanted to join in the fun, I assume that means you wanted to join in with other people who may have voted for Rich? Why would you want to jump on a train as a joke, Ice? Unless you're keeping to your story (that the whole post was a joke) please explain what exactly you did mean so I don't make the mistake of believing what I just said if it is not correct.

You're also exaggerating what I said. It was one post, after my initial vote, where I questioned your logic. I have yet to use it against you yet you say I jumped on you...I get a sense that you're almost trying to blow this out of proportion.

All that post said was if I didn't find a suspect worthy of lynching that my random pick would be Rich on the off chance that Dawg did use his name as a cover for a Mafia Boss. Day 1 is as random as it gets if there is no clear choice so why not Rich for that reason?

If I had wanted to vote Rich I would have voted then. I didn't and instead looked for a real suspect, or actually had 1 fall into my lap.

[jpappy789]

I agree that anyone that lists players as suspects then votes for a totally different player is suspect themselves.



Jpap, again you are welcome to your opinion. To me it looks like you are trying to back track now. You placed a vote on me then leaned on me throughout the day cycle. I'm just calling it as I see it. If you think I'm blowing this out of proportion you are mistaken. I'm taking what I think is the most solid case for a Day 1 and being thorough.

No back tracking at all, and I have no idea what would give you that feeling. I leaned on you as much as you have leaned on me...we keep quoting each other and responding so I don't see how that incriminates me at all. Other than my last post I've been pretty neutral in my responses, more than you have to me. So you keep saying that I am somehow pushing for you...


All that post said was if I didn't find a suspect worthy of lynching that my random pick would be Rich on the off chance that Dawg did use his name as a cover for a Mafia Boss. Day 1 is as random as it gets if there is no clear choice so why not Rich for that reason?

If I had wanted to vote Rich I would have voted then. I didn't and instead looked for a real suspect, or actually had 1 fall into my lap.

Which then I argued it really wasn't random at all, seeing as you just gave a specific reason for him possibly being mafia. I've said countless times that there is a disagreement over what is random as apparently you view the situation differently. At this point I again am leaning towards the fact that you're not really thinking like an innocent.

What would be the point in voting Rich at that time anyways? Everyone knew JL was joking but my point was it seemed as if you tested the water to see if it could potentially be a legitimate place to put your vote. Again I questioned what you said, mainly because I didn't fully understand what you meant, and you responded as if I was all over you.

[noodles62]

well boys and girls - I must tend to the dirty kitchen and then shower before our "Superstar Pres" (:barf:) makes his speech, that just so happens to effect my military sons.... but I will be back by nightfall.

[IceH2O]

What would be the point in voting Rich at that time anyways? Everyone knew JL was joking but my point was it seemed as if you tested the water to see if it could potentially be a legitimate place to put your vote. Again I questioned what you said, mainly because I didn't fully understand what you meant, and you responded as if I was all over you.


So by saying I'm going to vote Rich if no better suspects appear that is supposedly my way to see if I could get a train going on him? Seriously?

How is what I said any different then when someone says I'm going to vote for the 1st person to role play or the last person to post?


You might not call it pushing but you keep me in the spotlight hoping for a bite. I'm keeping the pressure on you because I think I have a case. You have admitted you don't but yet keep harping on it instead of looking or questioning others.

By reading Day 1 posts can anyone tell me who Jpap thinks is the best suspect to vote for?

[johnlarson66]

I vote to lynch Luv....

..simply for the fact it has been pretty routine to do so in several of the last games.

Odd that rb, who is known for tying it up, did not tie it up when given a chance.

[dirtydawg10]

Rich -1- JL66(11)Noodles(84)
Ice -1- JPap(16)
Kash -2- Annie(37)Zaffy(101)
JPap -2- Ice(46)DD(85)
Frog -1- TRS(58)
Zaffy -1- Luv(76)
Luv -4- ZSand(81)Kash(91)JL(97)RB(105)
RB -1- Rich(83)

No votes from: Frog

Nightfall in 1-1/2hrs. PM's as required.

[noodles62]

(eeerrrrmmmm, Mods, please delete my previous post if needed. I had "a moment" due to my current mood.Sorry.) :o


Carry on!

[johnlarson66]

Part of me really wants to vote for frog...

[Rbishop]

Odd that rb, who is known for tying it up, did not tie it up when given a chance.

It is Night one....no need to tie things up....random is going it's course.

[noodles62]

Part of me really wants to vote for frog...


I tend to agree........wierd play style in the least.........

[rich311k]

Me too, or will he give his vote to someone.

[johnlarson66]

It is Night one....no need to tie things up....random is going it's course.

Tying it up would make it a coin toss (random). My vote on Luv is not random at all (my vote on rich was).

[Rbishop]

Hmmm..no way would the coin toss on night one be "really" random.

If a game mod saw the wrong role going....the coin would "randomly" land a certain way.

[johnlarson66]

I think frog has been given a chance to fix their vote and to read the rules. I don't like the idea of them not getting it. Even some of the biggest noobatards have been able to vote. I have tried to help and they even posted afterwords.

Even if they figure it out, I am over it. Why wait until tomorrow? I am breaking one of my own day one rules and am going to vote for a noob. I can only hope that they do not take it personal and that they read the rules and follow along. Maybe they will play again.

I retract my vote on Luvbuqz and vote to lynch Froglover007.

[johnlarson66]

Hmmm..no way would the coin toss on night one be "really" random.

If a game mod saw the wrong role going....the coin would "randomly" land a certain way.

So you are against tying it up?

[rich311k]

I retract my vote on RB and vote lynch Frog. I dont want to see an extra vote go to someone. As JL said he had time to fix it.

[johnlarson66]

Why am I trying to make sense of what Rb does?

[jpappy789]

So by saying I'm going to vote Rich if no better suspects appear that is supposedly my way to see if I could get a train going on him? Seriously?

How is what I said any different then when someone says I'm going to vote for the 1st person to role play or the last person to post?


You might not call it pushing but you keep me in the spotlight hoping for a bite. I'm keeping the pressure on you because I think I have a case. You have admitted you don't but yet keep harping on it instead of looking or questioning others.

By reading Day 1 posts can anyone tell me who Jpap thinks is the best suspect to vote for?

It's different because you specifically named Rich, someone who was the topic of conversation...therefore it wasn't random.

You tried to put it out there that maybe Dawg really did choose Rich's role (because you could have) and that if no other suspects were out there then you were in for voting Rich. It's a nice fall back if someone happened to latch on to the idea, or to then say it was a joke vote anyways. Problem is that it's not a joke when you give a presumably logical reasoning. You weren't just playing off of JL's joke...you were hinting at it being a valid assumption.

So there, your hint at a vote was neither random nor a joke. So what was it?

Can I answer the bolded part? I've already said, prior to the last few posts of mine, that I didn't have any concrete suspects, hence why my vote was still on you. Now I think you're just as good a suspect as anybody but seeing as most of my attention has been focused on deflecting your accusations, I really didn't have a suspect list...nor did anyone else. I don't see a better vote, and so I guess right now you're technically my suspect "numero uno."

Hell, why not make it official...

"Suspect" list:
1) Ice
2) Everyone else

[jpappy789]

Hmmm..no way would the coin toss on night one be "really" random.

If a game mod saw the wrong role going....the coin would "randomly" land a certain way.

How could there be a "wrong role" in this game? There are four separate teams...someone has to go. :screwy:

[Rbishop]

So you are against tying it up?

Not against it..just do not think night one is a time for it.

[Rbishop]

How could there be a "wrong role" in this game? There are four separate teams...someone has to go. :screwy:

The "wrong" role would only be for the game Mods decision and point of view..hard to tell. Can you really understand Dawg?

[johnlarson66]

Not against it..just do not think night one is a time for it.

When is the "time for it"? Anytime after day one?

[noodles62]

Interesting that it has become a tie between Bugs and Frog....Are we saving Bugs??

[Rbishop]

When is the "time for it"? Anytime after day one?

Usually night 2/3 in my experience as a Game Mod...depends on how the game is going and the players.

[johnlarson66]

Well, crap. I need to place my vote but we really do not need anther single vote hanging out there.....soooooooo, out of the list of players with one vote each, I am going to go with.........I vote to lynch Rich. Just really a guess at this point but he fools me more times than not with his laid back playing. Second guess would probably be Luvbugz or Annie........my vote is subject to change as the day unfolds.

Are you switching to Luv or Annie now that Rich has only your vote?

[jpappy789]

Wait, so you're saying that at night 2/3 it WILL be random and you can tie it up?

I would hope that a player would have more to go on at that point and not resort tying it up for no other reason.

[dirtydawg10]

Rich -1- JL66(11)Noodles(84)
Ice -1- JPap(16)
Kash -2- Annie(37)Zaffy(101)
JPap -2- Ice(46)DD(85)
Frog -3- TRS(58)JL(124)Rich(126)
Zaffy -1- Luv(76)
Luv -3- ZSand(81)Kash(91)JL(97)RB(105)
RB -0- Rich(83)

No votes from: Frog

Nightfall in 50min. PM's as required.

[noodles62]

Are you switching to Luv or Annie now that Rich has only your vote?


Well, to be perfectly honest I am not certain enough of either one to be the lynchman on night one. Since when does our vote on night one need to be so defining & deciding. History shows that typically it comes to a coin toss and right now I am ok with that. If things progress before nightfall I will re-evaluate my thinking.

[noodles62]

Well, to be perfectly honest I am not certain enough of either one to be the lynchman on night one. Since when does our vote on night one need to be so defining & deciding. History shows that typically it comes to a coin toss and right now I am ok with that. If things progress before nightfall I will re-evaluate my thinking.

to clarify....i am ok with either one going so a coin toss is good for me.

[jpappy789]

So if frog does vote correctly, will it be for Luv to save themselves or for TRS, the original?

Not sure what either one would mean. It could be too late anyways.

[johnlarson66]

Noods here is what you said -


Well, crap. I need to place my vote but we really do not need anther single vote hanging out there.....soooooooo, out of the list of players with one vote each, I am going to go with.........I vote to lynch Rich. Just really a guess at this point but he fools me more times than not with his laid back playing. Second guess would probably be Luvbugz or Annie........my vote is subject to change as the day unfolds.

Remember typing this part "we really do not need anther single vote hanging out there"?

Yet you are a single vote hanging out there. Then you post something about saving Bugs and being perfectly honest.

[noodles62]

Noods here is what you said -



Remember typing this part "we really do not need anther single vote hanging out there"?

Yet you are a single vote hanging out there. Then you post something about saving Bugs and being perfectly honest.

I know what I said early today. The recent quick vote moves to tie it back up and save Bugz are very interesting indeed. Early today I did state that Bugz had my interest, but not enough to pull the plug on day one. A toss up is perfectly acceptable on night one IMO. I really do not give a hoot one way or another which one goes but I am not willing to be the deciding factor. I, obviously am not as certain as you. Why are you so anxious to get rid of a certain player? You really cannot know much more than the rest of us except who is not on your team.

[johnlarson66]

Noods, you think I am certain? I am certain of one thing, you are unwilling to do anything that you might be held accountable for later.

Your tagging along on my vote on rich, which put him in a tie for the most votes (which I broke by voting for Luv).

Your lack of action is very telling.

[noodles62]

Noods, you think I am certain? I am certain of one thing, you are unwilling to do anything that you might be held accountable for later.

Your tagging along on my vote on rich, which put him in a tie for the most votes (which I broke by voting for Luv).

Your lack of action is very telling.

hhhhmmm, ok. You and Rich are the only two that have moved your vote this evening but MY lack of action is telling. OK

[IceH2O]

Interesting that it has become a tie between Bugs and Frog....Are we saving Bugs??


Well, to be perfectly honest I am not certain enough of either one to be the lynchman on night one. Since when does our vote on night one need to be so defining & deciding. History shows that typically it comes to a coin toss and right now I am ok with that. If things progress before nightfall I will re-evaluate my thinking.


Wow a quick run on Frog.

Frog is either innocent or not in contact with his team. Even if not in contact I couldn't imagine he doesn't have 100 PMs telling him to fix his vote. So I have him leaning innocent.

Since Noods isn't sure enough to be the lynchman on Luv I will be. Voting a total different suspect then any you've mentioned is enough for me over some noob not voting correctly.


I retract my vote on Jpap and vote to lynch Luv

[johnlarson66]

I know what I said early today. The recent quick vote moves to tie it back up and save Bugz are very interesting indeed. Early today I did state that Bugz had my interest, but not enough to pull the plug on day one. A toss up is perfectly acceptable on night one IMO. I really do not give a hoot one way or another which one goes but I am not willing to be the deciding factor. I, obviously am not as certain as you. Why are you so anxious to get rid of a certain player? You really cannot know much more than the rest of us except who is not on your team.

Which certain player do you think I am so anxious to get rid of?

You say one thing, but do something else.

[johnlarson66]

For the record I am okay with Luv or Frog going.

[dirtydawg10]

It is Night!!!

[noodles62]

Which certain player do you think I am so anxious to get rid of?

You say one thing, but do something else.

what exactly "did I say but did something else"? you just seem to be anxious to get me to move my vote to Bugz and chastising me because did not. Seems a bit desperate. I honestly have no idea what role or side Bugz is on so not ready to vote that way...crap it is 9!

[dirtydawg10]

The Town is undecided today but as night approached they narrowed down the field to two. However there was a certain somebody who failed to vote and doubled the vote of one of his enemies.

[dirtydawg10]

The candidates are dragged before Bala kicking and screaming but there is no use in fighting it. Using a random number generator the victim is selected.

[dirtydawg10]

Bala lifts the victim high in the air for all to see. Their face is unrecognizable to the Townies. With one swift swing of his tail Bala takes the victims life. The croud gathers around the lifeless body to try and find some type of identification. From their wallet a card is pulled which says...

[dirtydawg10]

..."Froglovers Anonymous...Ribbit!!"

Froglover is no more and an Innocent Townie.

[dirtydawg10]

The crowd begins to disperse and in their mourning of the loss of an innocent life they fail to see another victim who is separated from the group. The victim is taken down a long dark alley and beaten to death with baseball bats.

Ice is gone from ACVille...

[dirtydawg10]

Ice was the Boss of the Cuban Mafia.


Game On!!

The next nightfall will be Thursday 9:00pm EST

[dirtydawg10]

Current list of Players:

JPap
RB
Kash
Noods
DD
Rich
Annie
Zaffy
Luvbugz
ZSand
JL66
TRS

[noodles62]

Whoa! Lost a Townie which stinks but we got a Mafia Don!! Not too bad for night one! More in the a.m. I have other things to tend to.....

[jpappy789]

Mafia helped so that's good...

So since it was 4-3 in Luv's favor, and frog didn't vote, one of the people on frog had their vote doubled.

I'm not sure if I'm reading the rules correctly so maybe Dawg can clarify: since frog was innocent, does that mean the vote had to go to a mafia, or can it still go to an innocent?

That would help give us some leads if it had to go to a mafia member.

[IceH2O]

Usted puede todos me Mordida
(http://translation.babylon.com/lib/modalbox/_ajax_content.php)

[jpappy789]

Usted puede todos me MORDIDA (http://translation.babylon.com/lib/modalbox/_ajax_content.php)

:raspberry:

Sorry, I just love that smilie...

[noodles62]

Mafia helped so that's good...

So since it was 4-3 in Luv's favor, and frog didn't vote, one of the people on frog had their vote doubled.

I'm not sure if I'm reading the rules correctly so maybe Dawg can clarify: since frog was innocent, does that mean the vote had to go to a mafia, or can it still go to an innocent?

That would help give us some leads if it had to go to a mafia member.

Unless I missed something in my notes, which is likely as I was distracted, Frog had 4 votes after Ice moved and Luv had 3. Still not sure where this puts Frog's lost vote.


Usted puede todos me MORDIDA (http://translation.babylon.com/lib/modalbox/_ajax_content.php)

????

[jpappy789]

Unless Dawg's vote count is wrong (3-3), the only change was Ice to Luv (4-3).

[johnlarson66]

Here you go noods -


The Town is undecided today but as night approached they narrowed down the field to two. However there was a certain somebody who failed to vote and doubled the vote of one of his enemies.

I am glad Frog went, I hate that they were innocent and there is really no innocents to spare. Atleast Ice was mafia. Frog was just not getting it.

I still am not against voting for Luv. Maybe Ice moved to frog to save Luv.

I vote to lynch Luv.

[johnlarson66]

Unless Dawg's vote count is wrong (3-3), the only change was Ice to Luv (4-3).

Here jpap is skimming...

Something was posted about that earlier...

[ZSandmann]

Frog's lost vote obviously went into play, too bad it got Frog killed. :(

At least the Mafia are knocking each other out, I honestly didn't think any of them would try and use a Hit on Night 1 with so many teams in play. I still like Luv but I want to what shakes out of the Ice revelation. The Cuban's are ticked I bet, lol.

[jpappy789]

Well that pretty much solves it then...the mafia got the vote, meaning at least one of the three who voted for frog is mafia.

TRS, JL, or Rich?

[ZSandmann]

Wow a quick run on Frog.

Frog is either innocent or not in contact with his team. Even if not in contact I couldn't imagine he doesn't have 100 PMs telling him to fix his vote. So I have him leaning innocent.

Since Noods isn't sure enough to be the lynchman on Luv I will be. Voting a total different suspect then any you've mentioned is enough for me over some noob not voting correctly.


I retract my vote on Jpap and vote to lynch Luv


Here you go noods -



I am glad Frog went, I hate that they were innocent and there is really no innocents to spare. Atleast Ice was mafia. Frog was just not getting it.

I still am not against voting for Luv. Maybe Ice moved to frog to save Luv.

I vote to lynch Luv.


Here jpap is skimming...

Something was posted about that earlier...


JL I think you are skimming too, Ice moved to Luv.

[johnlarson66]

I translated what Ice said -


You can all bite me

My guess is that the team that hit him was afraid of him.

[jpappy789]

Here jpap is skimming...

Something was posted about that earlier...

What do you mean? I've read through the vote count like three or four times now and that should be correct...:huh:

[dirtydawg10]

I'm not sure if I'm reading the rules correctly so maybe Dawg can clarify: since frog was innocent, does that mean the vote had to go to a mafia, or can it still go to an innocent?

The vote went to a member of a rival team. Since there are 4 teams and only 1 team is innocent...you do the math. I can see how the wording may have been misleading.

[johnlarson66]

It was 4 - 3, but someone got frogs vote - so thier vote counted as two -


The Town is undecided today but as night approached they narrowed down the field to two. However there was a certain somebody who failed to vote and doubled the vote of one of his enemies.

So the vote went to someone who was voting frog - making it 4 - 4


The candidates are dragged before Bala kicking and screaming but there is no use in fighting it. Using a random number generator the victim is selected.

So it was tied up.

[jpappy789]

That's what I said JL.


Mafia helped so that's good...

So since it was 4-3 in Luv's favor, and frog didn't vote, one of the people on frog had their vote doubled.

I'm not sure if I'm reading the rules correctly so maybe Dawg can clarify: since frog was innocent, does that mean the vote had to go to a mafia, or can it still go to an innocent?

That would help give us some leads if it had to go to a mafia member.

[johnlarson66]

Here is the rule, plus it was discussed -


a. You must vote each day, but you cannot vote for No One. The first night you fail to vote you will turn your vote over to a randomly chosen member of a rival mafia family or an innocent and it will double their vote that night (I will PM the person who's vote was doubled so they know). If you fail to vote a second night you will die an untimely death.

I was not the player with the double vote. This also does not mean that a mafia or an innocent got the extra vote. One of us that was voting for Frog got it.

[jpappy789]

JL, please read Dawg's post where he explicitly states that a mafia member got frog's vote.

[johnlarson66]

The vote went to a member of a rival team. Since there are 4 teams and only 1 team is innocent...you do the math. I can see how the wording may have been misleading.

OIC - since frog was innocent, then the vote went to a mafia (non-innocent).

I retract my vote on Luv and vote to lynch rich311k.

[rich311k]

Not bad getting a mob leader on the first night. We lost a townie but not one who seemed likely to help much.

[johnlarson66]

JL, please read Dawg's post where he explicitly states that a mafia member got frog's vote.

Silly me, I was going from the rules -
The first night you fail to vote you will turn your vote over to a randomly chosen member of a rival mafia family or an innocent and it will double their vote that night (I will PM the person who's vote was doubled so they know).

[rich311k]

OIC - since frog was innocent, then the vote went to a mafia (non-innocent).

I retract my vote on Luv and vote to lynch rich311k.

Just curious why me and not TRS. For that matter only one clearing you is you.

[jpappy789]

Rich -1- JL66(11)Noodles(84)
Ice -1- JPap(16)
Kash -2- Annie(37)Zaffy(101)
JPap -2- Ice(46)DD(85)
Frog -1- TRS(58)
Zaffy -1- Luv(76)
Luv -4- ZSand(81)Kash(91)JL(97)RB(105)
RB -1- Rich(83)

No votes from: Frog

Nightfall in 1-1/2hrs. PM's as required.


Part of me really wants to vote for frog...

Notice the vote count above. Frog has one vote early on from TRS and out of the blue JL says he wants to vote for them.


I think frog has been given a chance to fix their vote and to read the rules. I don't like the idea of them not getting it. Even some of the biggest noobatards have been able to vote. I have tried to help and they even posted afterwords.

Even if they figure it out, I am over it. Why wait until tomorrow? I am breaking one of my own day one rules and am going to vote for a noob. I can only hope that they do not take it personal and that they read the rules and follow along. Maybe they will play again.

I retract my vote on Luvbuqz and vote to lynch Froglover007.

Here's the switch. Notice there's nothing incriminating (ie. no mention of mafia behavior or the sorts) just rehashing the fact that frog didn't know how to play the game.


Here you go noods -



I am glad Frog went, I hate that they were innocent and there is really no innocents to spare. Atleast Ice was mafia. Frog was just not getting it.

I still am not against voting for Luv. Maybe Ice moved to frog to save Luv.

I vote to lynch Luv.

Now a contradiction...glad frog went but at the same time hates they are innocent?

Add in the fact that he tried to say I skimmed (when he was the one who did) and also he was on frog (we know a mafia player voted there).

I vote to lynch JL

[johnlarson66]

JL I think you are skimming too, Ice moved to Luv.

Yep, I added 1 and 1 and got 3. Can't blame skimming as much as thinking too much.

Odd that Ice would move at nightfall to vote Luv and attempt to save frog.

[johnlarson66]

Just curious why me and not TRS. For that matter only one clearing you is you.

No real reason at all. Could just as well be TRS.

[dirtydawg10]

:p:


The Town is undecided today but as night approached they narrowed down the field to two. However there was a certain somebody who failed to vote and doubled the vote of one of his enemies.

[jpappy789]

Yep, I added 1 and 1 and got 3. Can't blame skimming as much as thinking too much.

Odd that Ice would move at nightfall to vote Luv and attempt to save frog.

:shakehead:

[johnlarson66]

:p:

I assumed that meant doubled the vote of someone voting for him. Since only 2 of the innocents know who each other are, then an innocent would not know if Froglover007 was on thier team.

[johnlarson66]

I can't see any reason to vote for anyone besides the one of us three (TRS, rich and myself).

One of us is mafia.

[rich311k]

I can't see any reason to vote for anyone besides the one of us three (TRS, rich and myself).

One of us is mafia.

That is the logical course. You would be crazy to look else where.

[jpappy789]

No rebuttal JL?

[johnlarson66]

I stand behind my vote for Frog. If Frog would have voted, then one of us would not have had a double vote.

It is Frog's fault they are dead and it is a shame that they were innocent when there are so few innocent players with this format.

[johnlarson66]

No rebuttal JL?

Rebuttal to what?

That when Ice came up mafia that I assumed his late night move was to save a teamate. Even if I was skimming, which I am known for, it does not make me mafia. Just a poor reader.

I understood the rule about someone getting an extra vote tonight if Frog did not vote. For some reason a couple of you did not understand that, even though it had been mentioned before.

I did not think Frog was helping the town and I switched from Luv to Frog. I would have been okay with either one going.

[jpappy789]

I stand behind my vote for Frog. If Frog would have voted, then one of us would not have had a double vote.

It is Frog's fault they are dead and it is a shame that they were innocent when there are so few innocent players with this format.

So, was you reasoning behind the vote only because they didn't understand the game or did you actually think they were mafia?

You're right, frog deserved to be voted off because they didn't know how to play the game their first time around...


Rebuttal to what?

That when Ice came up mafia that I assumed his late night move was to save a teamate. Even if I was skimming, which I am known for, it does not make me mafia. Just a poor reader.

I understood the rule about someone getting an extra vote tonight if Frog did not vote. For some reason a couple of you did not understand that, even though it had been mentioned before.

I did not think Frog was helping the town and I switched from Luv to Frog. I would have been okay with either one going.

It is interesting though, that you've pointed out other people skimming (even when wrong about that) as well as others history of skimming (even if as a joke).

One, you did not understand the rule because it took the mod to explain it. Two, if you are referring to me not understanding it you are clearly mistaken. I posted right away after nightfall saying that if I was reading the rules correctly then a mafia member got frogs vote and thus was a vote on frog given the final tie. You, on the other hand, said I skimmed and missed the rule...which you interpreted wrongly. Silly you...

So JL, are you glad you took part in lynching frog or is it just all frog's fault so you have no blame?

[The Red Severum]

my vote for frog was because she didn't know how to vote, and I was not really sure since it was the first night.

I think rich is mafia, since one of has to.
I vote to lynch rich
for now

[The Red Severum]

I think I am the only non-communicating citizen left, going off that there is 3 people per mafia team which makes 9 people, for 5 people who are innocent to start the game. 1 doctor makes 4 with two vigilantes with leaves with only two citizens left. Frog was one, and I am the other one.

[jpappy789]

I think I am the only non-communicating citizen left, going off that there is 3 people per mafia team which makes 9 people, for 5 people who are innocent to start the game. 1 doctor makes 4 with two vigilantes with leaves with only two citizens left. Frog was one, and I am the other one.

You've got to be kidding me...

What is the strategy in that? So there are three other innocents that may or may not believe you while the rest of the mafia presumably know your role, which really only helps them. And it's not like the town can just trust you. You're not an investigating role-so no way to confirm your innocence-and thus the only way to find out is by lynching you. Not exactly helpful to the town...

Add another to the good ol' suspect list:

JL
TRS

I can't help but suspect you, TRS. I will say though that you were probably better off not saying anything and letting people just pick between you, JL, and Rich. This should be a big red flag for everyone...

[The Red Severum]

JL they already know that. If I am not in the mafia group with them, then they have all right to go after me. The communicating innocents can't talk to me, and same with the doctor, so they might think as me as mafia. So really, there is no point for me not to come out with my role.

[The Red Severum]

should be jpapy not JL

[jpappy789]

JL they already know that. If I am not in the mafia group with them, then they have all right to go after me. The communicating innocents can't talk to me, and same with the doctor, so they might think as me as mafia. So really, there is no point for me not to come out with my role.

1) I'm not JL and I resent that...

2) No they don't, they just know that you're not on their team. Giving your role as innocent helps them find out who is who and potentially strategize as to which team they should target if need be. They don't need to know your role to hit you, but I would think that they are targeting the more dangerous roles (other mafia, vigs, doc) anyways. You narrowed down the list to anyone they choose is potentially a serious threat.

3) You said you are innocent...whoop-dee-doo. So far you've voted for a fellow innocent so not exactly a great track record to back that statement up. If the vigs investigate you, they wont know until next nightfall anyways and in the mean time you could be hit or lynched.

[AnniesNotOK]

I haven't had much time this week. I will get caught up and make a post tonight. I plan to be tipping a few brews when I do, and I'm in a good mood, so don't touch that dial.

[noodles62]

I haven't had much time this week. I will get caught up and make a post tonight. I plan to be tipping a few brews when I do, and I'm in a good mood, so don't touch that dial.


Ruh Roh! :p:

[ZSandmann]

I haven't had much time this week. I will get caught up and make a post tonight. I plan to be tipping a few brews when I do, and I'm in a good mood, so don't touch that dial.

I take it peace talks went well then :D

[noodles62]

wow. it is quiet around here today. guess I will read over yesterday's posts since nothing is happening today.

[noodles62]

Well, let's see - out of the 3 players that voted Frog we know that at least one of them is Mafia; odds are at least 2 are IMO. Do I throw a single vote on TRS who "claims innocence", tie it up with a vote on JL or be the third vote on Rich.....Decisions, decisions. For now, I will go with my vote of choice last night and I vote to lynch Rich. yea, yea, I know that puts me third on but so what?

[noodles62]

Wait a minute! That puts me voting along with 2 of the 3 candidates......would team mates vote for the same person? Perhpas they are on opposing mafia teams?

I am in the mood for a little controversy! I retract my vote for Rich and vote to lynch JohnLarson. I would like see where the rest of the votes fall. I really do not trust anyone at this point, except Frog and he is dead, but one of these 3 has to be mafia so my vote will be on one of them......

[Dangerdoll]

Nice job with taking out the Lead!

:frog: poor frog.... maybe he or she will learn from this...


JL, please read Dawg's post where he explicitly states that a mafia member got frog's vote.

from how I understand Dawg's clarification, he stated that there are 4 teams, 3 which are mafia and 1 which is innocent. The vote went to one of those teams. Tell me, Paps... how does it go from being "one of those teams" to "must be mafia"?

I dunno, anyone who even considers Dawg's post to mean only Mafia got the vote, seems suspicious. (ie. Pap, JL)


I think I am the only non-communicating citizen left, going off that there is 3 people per mafia team which makes 9 people, for 5 people who are innocent to start the game. 1 doctor makes 4 with two vigilantes with leaves with only two citizens left. Frog was one, and I am the other one.
ummmmm.... what?? TRS, are you for real? Why don't you just try throwing on some purple polka dotted boxers and screaming out the middle of the street, the infamous "I am innocent" statement. Man, I thought no one would ever try this strategy again... Welcome to my suspicions.

[Dangerdoll]

poor noods, welcome to my list as well (I still luv ya though!)

[noodles62]

The Town is undecided today but as night approached they narrowed down the field to two. However there was a certain somebody who failed to vote and doubled the vote of one of his enemies.


Nice job with taking out the Lead!

:frog: poor frog.... maybe he or she will learn from this...



from how I understand Dawg's clarification, he stated that there are 4 teams, 3 which are mafia and 1 which is innocent. The vote went to one of those teams. Tell me, Paps... how does it go from being "one of those teams" to "must be mafia"?

I dunno, anyone who even considers Dawg's post to mean only Mafia got the vote, seems suspicious. (ie. Pap, JL)



DD, what part of Dawg's explanation of where Frog's lost vote went confuses you? Seems pretty clear to me. :huh:



poor noods, welcome to my list as well (I still luv ya though!)

That's ok, sweetie, you are always on my short list!! :popcorn:

Now I have to get back to work. Ugh!

[noodles62]

further clarification for DD- Frog's vote went to his enemies....he was innocent thus his enemies are mafia! :duh: ;)

[jpappy789]

DD, are you serious?

There are three mafia teams, and one innocent "team". Dawg said it has to go to a rival team. Since frog was innocent, it couldn't go to the innocent team therefore it went to a mafia member.


The vote went to a member of a rival team. Since there are 4 teams and only 1 team is innocent...you do the math. I can see how the wording may have been misleading.

Add another to the suspect list...

JL
TRS
DD

[jpappy789]

Wow, it's quiet.

[rich311k]

This working for a living thing sucks. I have been staring at this same spreadsheet for 2 days trying to find where we lost inventory.

Enough complaining.

I too am lost as to why anyone would think that Frog's vote would go to an innocent the rule clearly says opposing team. I misunderstood, where I thought it would be the next day's vote. Which is why I voted for him. I did not want someone to have two votes today.

[Dangerdoll]

oh... duh... sorry, now I get it.... I was removing frg from the entire picture, not placing him in the innocent team or any of the mafia teams LOL sorry!

I get it now, carry on!

[Kashta]

Thanks to frog not voting at all, we have 3 good mafia leads. Here's my take on this.

1. We've all generally accepted that, given the numbers, there's a 65% or two-thirds probability that any one of us is on one of the 3 mafia teams. Stated another way this means 2 out of any 3 players are probably scum.

2. Rich, JL, and TRS are implicated now (because of Frog). The clear double-vote from one of them confirms that at least 1 of the 3 is mafia. That's consistent enough with the two-thirds thing too.

3. Apply the odds noted in #1 above to these 3 names and we should expect that at least 2 of the 3 are mafia.

4. Does this mean 1 of the names are innocent? No, it doesn't. All 3 of them could easily be mafia too. The probability stated above is only an average.. not a certainty.

As I posted before, I was leaning Frog suspicious. My impression was he (or she) was wacked out enough to ignore advice offered by possible teammates if he was mafia. Just because he was able to communicate with teammates (if evil) doesn't mean he actually communicated. But that by itself wasn't strong enough or substantial enough to vote him, IMO. The chances were too high still that he could be innocent. (Frog was a noob too.. so I still had good reason to seek a better suspect for my vote.)

It WAS substantial enough, however, for at least 1 mafia to vote Frog. So someone who is evil for sure (just not yet identified) looked at the same "evidence" I had and went the other way with it. Did they conclude that Frog was probably innocent? I think that's a good possibility too. Plus.. for anyone who WAS on a mafia team.. the simple fact that Frog wasn't a teammate of theirs would be a nice deciding factor. As long as Frog was either innocent or not on the team.. any mafia player might see Frog as a great lynch target. The chance that Frog might be innocent wouldn't deter a scum player from voting him.

At this point, I'm going with the theory that 2 out of 3 (not just 1 out of 3) of those who voted Frog last night are most suspicious right now and probably mafia. And I'm leaning the remaining 1 out of those 3 names as also "very likely" to be mafia too.

I dont have these names in any order yet so I don't know which one to vote for. Both JL and TRS stand out a bit as more obvious picks right now.. but Rich has played shifty enough to also top the list. I'll have to spend some time re-reading the posts to pin this down better. So I'll post more later as I do that.

[Kashta]

DD.. your scatterbrained style of play and habit of skimming along through games will only cover you for so long. At some point you need to be held accountable too for the weird things you post.

In this post, you're not only confused about what's already been established... you're also using bad information to point suspicion at somebody else. That seems a bit scummy and overly convenient to me.


from how I understand Dawg's clarification, he stated that there are 4 teams, 3 which are mafia and 1 which is innocent. The vote went to one of those teams. Tell me, Paps... how does it go from being "one of those teams" to "must be mafia"?

I dunno, anyone who even considers Dawg's post to mean only Mafia got the vote, seems suspicious. (ie. Pap, JL)

ummmmm.... what?? TRS, are you for real? Why don't you just try throwing on some purple polka dotted boxers and screaming out the middle of the street, the infamous "I am innocent" statement. Man, I thought no one would ever try this strategy again... Welcome to my suspicions.

You're also very smart and savvy mafia player, DD. You know very well how to use your apparent "confusion" in deliberate ways.

Wouldn't this obvious misunderstanding serve as a good way for one mafia teammate to distance herself from another?

Here, Noods steps in to clear things up.


DD, what part of Dawg's explanation of where Frog's lost vote went confuses you? Seems pretty clear to me. :huh:


And again...


further clarification for DD- Frog's vote went to his enemies....he was innocent thus his enemies are mafia! :duh: ;)

And here.. DD gets a clue. :) But she's also left it that so I suppose she's dropped her suspicion of Jpappy in the process?


oh... duh... sorry, now I get it.... I was removing frg from the entire picture, not placing him in the innocent team or any of the mafia teams LOL sorry!

I get it now, carry on!

[Kashta]

Before go back through the thread again, I saw something else to ask about.


DD, are you serious?

There are three mafia teams, and one innocent "team". Dawg said it has to go to a rival team. Since frog was innocent, it couldn't go to the innocent team therefore it went to a mafia member.

Add another to the suspect list...

JL
TRS
DD

Jpappy.. I see you're going with JL and TRS as suspects. But you have DD listed as #3 on your list.

What are your thoughts now about Rich as possible mafia? Are you leaning Rich as innocent?

[Dangerdoll]

mo, Kash,.... I still suspect Paps. Just because Ice was Lead Cuban Mafia does not mean he is in the clear. The only thing it does say is that Pap is probably not in the Cuban Mafia. To clear him all together would be foolish.

[Dangerdoll]

I meant that as "no Kash"

[Dangerdoll]

Kash, I can tell you I was honestly confused and still sleep at night. Your scrambling for issues makes me think you'll be in and out... of sleep that is...

[Kashta]

Kash, I can tell you I was honestly confused and still sleep at night. Your scrambling for issues makes me think you'll be in and out... of sleep that is...

Thanks for the answer, DD. I'm not planning to make any more of that stuff between you and Jpappy than it is. But I'll still keep tabs a bit on how the two of you interact throughout the game.... just in case.

You're also right about me scrambling a bit to figure out something to go on. I'm coming down with the flu... sleeping a lot more than usual.. and trying to keep my head clear. But I'll still keep at this, just a bit slower than the pace of the game is going right now.

[jpappy789]

Before go back through the thread again, I saw something else to ask about.



Jpappy.. I see you're going with JL and TRS as suspects. But you have DD listed as #3 on your list.

What are your thoughts now about Rich as possible mafia? Are you leaning Rich as innocent?

I'm not going to stop looking for other people Kash. Theres one or two mafia who voted frog, which still leaves a lot more needed to be found. Rich very well could be mafia (I never said he was innocent) I just don't have him on my short list yet as I don't see me voting him only because he has the 1/3 chance of getting the doubled vote. JL and TRS on the other hand have that same chance as well as catching my eye for other reasons. DD trying to incriminate those who actually read Dawg's comments correctly is very scummy. It's one thing to misread the rules but then to say those who got to a different (and correct) conclusion are mafia? That's a huge leap.


mo, Kash,.... I still suspect Paps. Just because Ice was Lead Cuban Mafia does not mean he is in the clear. The only thing it does say is that Pap is probably not in the Cuban Mafia. To clear him all together would be foolish.

So basically you suspect me because I'm not cleared...who are your top suspects then, aka who would you vote for now if you had to?

[Dangerdoll]

ummm, pap... for what it is worth, I thought I had collared you guys (you and your mafia team(s)), which is why I thought anyone who didn't read it as I did was a suspect. Tell me please if you were innocent and if you had a thought that was worth anything for the game, you would believe that anyone not thinking along your path or trying to make sense of it was not scummy. Does it make sense. No. I found those who did not see what I did (albeit in error) as incriminating theirselves. However, now that I see more clearly, it is different. Do I still suspect you? Sure enough as I am DD. Another on my list, is TRS for almost making sense or acting like it. One more is Kash for the ill excuse... if you truely are sick Kash, I am sorry and hope you feel better... I know the flu this season sucks and I am glad to be over it myself... if not, it's a great way to claim "scattered posts". Everyone else, while still suspect, I am trying to get a read from.

[ZSandmann]

DD, are you serious?

There are three mafia teams, and one innocent "team". Dawg said it has to go to a rival team. Since frog was innocent, it couldn't go to the innocent team therefore it went to a mafia member.



Add another to the suspect list...

JL
TRS
DD
This looks like a good list, I still have Luv on my list due to the throwaway vote yesterday, but JL and DD are there for skimming, and TRS is just being weird.

oh... duh... sorry, now I get it.... I was removing frg from the entire picture, not placing him in the innocent team or any of the mafia teams LOL sorry!

I get it now, carry on!
Lol, you forgot to account for the role of the guy that anchors the whole arguement?

Before go back through the thread again, I saw something else to ask about.



Jpappy.. I see you're going with JL and TRS as suspects. But you have DD listed as #3 on your list.

What are your thoughts now about Rich as possible mafia? Are you leaning Rich as innocent?
I'm not Pappy but the interesting thing about Rich, besides that he voted for a known Innocent is the whole Ricardo thing. Ice was a big part of that dust up because of his statement that he would have made Rich Cuban Mafia based on his name. We now know Ice was DON of the Cuban Mafia. I am not sure if that makes Rich more or less likely to be Cuban, but its a funny little factoid to tuch away.

[AnniesNotOK]

g/o


Ruh Roh! :p:

:cheers: Noods. I know you've been known to make a post or two after tipping a couple. I invite you to join me. It's a celebration!!!


I take it peace talks went well then :D

Yes Z, quite well. Thank you. Might have to change my name to AnnieIsOK at this rate. ;)

g/o

Just got home and had a quick skim to get caught up. I'll do a more thorough read and post my thoughts and vote soon.

[Dangerdoll]

g/o

congrats, Annie :)

g/o

[noodles62]

g/o



:cheers: Noods. I know you've been known to make a post or two after tipping a couple. I invite you to join me. It's a celebration!!!



Yes Z, quite well. Thank you. Might have to change my name to AnnieIsOK at this rate. ;)

g/o

Just got home and had a quick skim to get caught up. I'll do a more thorough read and post my thoughts and vote soon.


g/o Good for you Annie! Happy for you and wishes for continued success! As for tipping a few - you bet! I do love a good cold brew, and *ahem* have the waistline to prove it! I will tip a few this evening to celebrate in your honor! LOL g/o

[jpappy789]

ummm, pap... for what it is worth, I thought I had collared you guys (you and your mafia team(s)), which is why I thought anyone who didn't read it as I did was a suspect. Tell me please if you were innocent and if you had a thought that was worth anything for the game, you would believe that anyone not thinking along your path or trying to make sense of it was not scummy. Does it make sense. No. I found those who did not see what I did (albeit in error) as incriminating theirselves. However, now that I see more clearly, it is different. Do I still suspect you? Sure enough as I am DD. Another on my list, is TRS for almost making sense or acting like it. One more is Kash for the ill excuse... if you truely are sick Kash, I am sorry and hope you feel better... I know the flu this season sucks and I am glad to be over it myself... if not, it's a great way to claim "scattered posts". Everyone else, while still suspect, I am trying to get a read from.

Problem with that DD is that Dawg had clarified the rule already. I have no idea how it didn't make sense as everyone else understood it, eventually...yet you come out saying we are wrong and scummy for it.

[Dangerdoll]

I came out and said that pap before I fully understood it, quit dragging it through the mud

[Kashta]

This game takes place in the City of ACVille. Three rival mafia families are waged in a war for control of the lucrative underworld in the City of ACVille. The New York Mafia, Cuban Mafia and Russian Mafia will each battle it out to see who claims this territory as their own. The citizens of the City are caught in the crossfire and will try to keep their Town innocent.


Through the first page again (40 posts per) and not much there yet. But our first page is really funny this time. Lot's of clever jokes.

I agree with JL's guess there's 3 per mafia team... 2 doesn't work and neither would 4.. and all 3 teams have to be equally staffed. I don't think Dawg had any other choice.

Figured I'd plug in what's known now and go through the rules more. Doesn't give us much, though.. yet.

3 on New York Mafia - 1 boss + 2 members
2 on Cuban Mafia - Ice boss (dead/rival hit) + 2 members
3 on Russian Mafia - 1 boss + 2 members

Each gets only 2 invests and 2 hits. Either the NY mafia or Russian mafia used up a hit (on Ice) and only has 1 left. The other held off and still has both hits... the Cubans still have both too.

All 3 mafia teams probably investigated someone on Night 1, so it should be interesting who gets hit tonight.

[Kashta]

:cheers: Noods. I know you've been known to make a post or two after tipping a couple. I invite you to join me. It's a celebration!!!


Good for you and her both, Annie. Congrats!!

[rich311k]

g/o That is good new Annie. I hope it continues. g/o

JL and TRS are on my list for sure. As for everyone else I am not sure yet. I need to review I was busy at work today.

[Zaffy]

I vote to lynch TRS I think his claims off innocence are pretty lame, I don't mind playing the TRS/JL/Rich game, and this vote keeps those 3 close. Monty hall tells us that it's actually a pretty good chance that 2 of the 3 are scum. I also have Luv leaning scum because of Ice's(Cuban boss) late move that looked like it took her out of the running. It's weak, but so much is on Day 2.

[Zaffy]

0 Luv - JL(163)
2 Rich - JL(175) TRS(191) Noodles(201)
2 JL - Jpap(179) Noodles(202)
1 TRS - Zaffy(229)

[AnniesNotOK]

sigh.....I'm trying to get caught up and post something meaningful, I really am....

Darn innocent again.

I'm thankful I'm innocent this game.

Thank you to everyone who posted about my reconciliation. It means alot.

vote pending, hopefully some scumbag screws up bad, I have nothing aside from someone that voted frog is getting my vote.

dance weasels.

[Zaffy]

I went back and looked again at night 1 votes, I was wrong about Ice switching off of luv, he actually switched onto her.

Rich -1- JL66(11)Noodles(84)
Ice -1- JPap(16)
Kash -2- Annie(37)Zaffy(101)
JPap -2- Ice(46)DD(85)
Frog -3- TRS(58)JL(124)Rich(126)
Zaffy -1- Luv(76)
Luv -3- ZSand(81)Kash(91)JL(97)RB(105)Ice(145)
RB -0- Rich(83)

No votes from: Frog

[Zaffy]

...

Thank you to everyone who posted about my reconciliation. It means alot.

...

I hope everything works out well for you. Best wishes and all that. :)

[noodles62]

sigh.....I'm trying to get caught up and post something meaningful, I really am....

Darn innocent again.

I'm thankful I'm innocent this game.

Thank you to everyone who posted about my reconciliation. It means alot.

vote pending, hopefully some scumbag screws up bad, I have nothing aside from someone that voted frog is getting my vote.

dance weasels.

ok, so what is this???? :troll:

[The Red Severum]

what kind of innocent annie?

[AnniesNotOK]

But while I have a sec...

What is your favorite maple tree?

[AnniesNotOK]

ok, so what is this???? :troll:

I'm thankful I dont have other team I'd have to apolgize to in a seperate thread....why do you ask???


what kind of innocent annie?

How many kinds are there??? Far as I can skim the rules there's only two kinds, I'm one or the other. What kind are you TRS???

[jpappy789]

But while I have a sec...

What is your favorite maple tree?


I'm thankful I dont have other team I'd have to apolgize to in a seperate thread....why do you ask???



How many kinds are there??? Far as I can skim the rules there's only two kinds, I'm one or the other. What kind are you TRS???

Since you're skimming, TRS already claimed to be a non-communicating innocent. How bout you Annie?

I'm really glad that on day two we've already had two people claim to be innocent. Why don't we all just do that, because everyone knows how believable that would be...:wall:

It's only fair then...

Suspects:

JL
TRS
DD
Annie
Rich-I think I have enough other suspects that I can formally add him to the list as well even though I said I'm not in a position to vote for him quite yet.

[jpappy789]

ooops forgot to add sugar maple.

[AnniesNotOK]

Since you're skimming, TRS already claimed to be a non-communicating innocent. How bout you Annie?

I'm really glad that on day two we've already had two people claim to be innocent. Why don't we all just do that, because everyone knows how believable that would be...:wall:

It's only fair then...

Suspects:

JL
TRS
DD
Annie
Rich-I think I have enough other suspects that I can formally add him to the list as well even though I said I'm not in a position to vote for him quite yet.

Well pap. I'm the same kind as him. Dawg really didn't make this game very fair did he, seems there's 3 teams of non-communicating innocents far as I can skim.


ooops forgot to add sugar maple.

Why sugar maple??? So many others you could have chosen from......

[AnniesNotOK]

Jpap, for someone I think is very intelligent, I think its highly suspicious I'm ranked higher on your list than Rich. Isnt it almost assure rich was voting for frog???

Welcome to my list.

[The Red Severum]

Well pap. I'm the same kind as him. Dawg really didn't make this game very fair did he, seems there's 3 teams of non-communicating innocents far as I can skim.



Why sugar maple??? So many others you could have chosen from......


what game are you playing??? Did you not read any of the rules???

[jpappy789]

Jpap, for someone I think is very intelligent, I think its highly suspicious I'm ranked higher on your list than Rich. Isnt it almost assure rich was voting for frog???

Welcome to my list.

There's no order, other than at what time people were added to my list. I'm voting for JL atm as I find him most votable, but other than that it's just the order that I named people as suspects.

[jpappy789]

Well pap. I'm the same kind as him. Dawg really didn't make this game very fair did he, seems there's 3 teams of non-communicating innocents far as I can skim.



Why sugar maple??? So many others you could have chosen from......

How can you have a team of non-communicating innocents?

Sugar maple was the first thing that popped into my head and there's one in my front yard.

[jpappy789]

I'd like to add that I'm also fond of amur maples...:rolleyes:

[Zaffy]

But while I have a sec...

What is your favorite maple tree?

Acer pseudoplatanus, The Sycamore Maple.

[Dangerdoll]

How can you have a team of non-communicating innocents?

Sugar maple was the first thing that popped into my head and there's one in my front yard.


The vote went to a member of a rival team. Since there are 4 teams and only 1 team is innocent...you do the math. I can see how the wording may have been misleading.

from what I can tell, there are 4 teams, 1 team is innocents.... although it's not explicit in the rules post, it is now... did you miss that pappy? I could have sworn you saw it...

[jpappy789]

from what I can tell, there are 4 teams, 1 team is innocents.... although it's not explicit in the rules post, it is now... did you miss that pappy? I could have sworn you saw it...

*sigh* yes, it's a team in that they are all innocent but not in the sense that everyone can communicate. Annie says that there are three non-communicating innocent teams, when actually there were three individuals (at game start) who could not communicate. They really aren't a team since they do not know who each other is.

Thanks, once again, for trying to implicate me when I understand the rules.

[Dangerdoll]

not implicating you at all, Paps... just explaining what the team of innocents are.... looks like you were trying to implicate Annie.... I took Annies post just that he didn't know what the rule was, and was considering all teams innocent.

tomato,tomahto

[jpappy789]

Your sarcasm sure comes off as implicating me, but I suppose true intentions can become lost online.

I put Annie on my list because he flat out said he was innocent, a big red flag, while I just asked how he got to there being three non-communicating teams of innocents. Maybe he just used the wrong wording, but still...

Anyone who is confused about rules (what happens with no-votes, what the teams are, etc.) is skimming to the point of not knowing what game they are playing, which is concerning. Things have been rehashed so many times that personally it catches my eye when people still get mixed up.